veteran-class

[dusty nacelle]

Oh, okay then

[tall torrent]

Blue circles here are crucial talents for plasma

Superiority complex is optional, doesn’t change performance too much

[low wagon]

I would think so too, but in practice Infernus seemed consistently better on other targets too... check this out:

Deathspitter
https://i.imgur.com/5rQjluk.mp4

Infernus
https://i.imgur.com/BcHkOz9.mp4

Infernus 23s Deathspitter 29s

[silent cloud]

I will chose the left one of the bottom

But all three are ok

[tall torrent]

This is XII right

Try it for XIV

[low wagon]

I will try XIV, but it seems very counter-intuitive to go for anything else on vet, considering how Onslaught works...

[hollow ibex]

onslaught 🤮

[low wagon]

I agree it's awfully designed talent for game's variety; but it's optimal

They should rework it or remove it

[slow spade]

Built-in to Vet base kit

[spring spindle]

Can i just not aim. Or do the sights on the bolt pistol suck

[inner temple]

You don't use iron sights very often in gaming huh?

[spring spindle]

ADS aiming i mean

[inner temple]

Some of the best sights for me. I think the helbore goes third infantry autogun goes 2nd

[spring spindle]

Bolt Pistol is the only one that feels funky but I could just suck (I never use it)

[inner temple]

Its probably the sights for you

One may say skill issue but you just gotta get use to it

[dusty nacelle]

Did blaze away stacks always disappear when venting heat?

[tall torrent]

What

[tall torrent]

Well, the thing is, onslaught only really matters for like 2 guns and exclusively for magdumping crushers

[tall torrent]

Yes

[slow spade]

Yes

Charing up doesn't make you lose stacks though

[tall torrent]

Rashad perks are wrong

[slow spade]

But what if you hate dreg bruisers UwU

[tall torrent]

U can get Dreg bruiser 1HS without flak

[slow spade]

Indeed, took me a lot of points though

Agile Engagement my beloved

[tall torrent]

No? Just the one I posted above

[slow spade]

Yeah I wanted frags

[tall torrent]

This can hit Dreg bruiser 1HS without headtaker stacks

[slow spade]

So I had to pay the point tax

Rip rending strikes

[inner temple]

How do you even get this screen

[slow spade]

Build editor from gameslantern iirc

[hollow ibex]

it's nice to have, but not necessary, and further let down by horrible pathing

[inner temple]

Ah thanks

I can officially share a meme build sometime

[low wagon]

Well, I tried deathspitter XIV - it feel really nice with its accurate fire.

Reaper test came out at around 30 seconds (I tried it like 10 times)

It used ~21% of ammo reserve, while mk12 infernus ~18%.

Crusher dps is few hundreds lower.

It's a lot better than I expected (accurate fire for weakspot dmg!), but a bit worse than both mk12s.

https://i.imgur.com/HV7YoGE.mp4

[tall torrent]

I meant like
XIV deathspitter vs XIV infernus

Because XII is only worth running if you go onslaught imo and onslaught is not a talent worth running in general unless u want to magdump crushers

Also, try running this on stuff like ragers, shotgunners & gunners

The huge difference you’re seeing here is because recons are not good at unyielding damage so you don’t get deathspitter stacks fast (if it’s only reapers to kill)

In practice you can stack deathspitter very easily when shooting at specialists & ranged elites through horde

I think what I'm saying makes sense here

[hollow ibex]

was trying to kill a nurgle with recon las last night, it felt fucking awful lol

[tall torrent]

Infernus actually boosts boss damage pretty noticeably

U can kill a boss in like 3 mags ish

Not bad

[hollow ibex]

i did not have infernus

[tall torrent]

But it’s not good at boss damage in general

[hollow ibex]

it was on my gunker

is ilas better at boss damage? trying to find an ammo efficient gun for gunker lol

[tall torrent]

No

It’s just Vraks V

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fuckfuck-fuck-fuckery-gif-12977628

i'd prob burn through vraks v ammo so quickly

[low wagon]

Yeah, that's fair point (softer targets); I did some testing on those, but it wasn't good enough gather data. I'll keep it in mind and try it out more sometime...

Onslaught not being worth running is certainly a bold claim. I can see reasoning behind it, but Crushers are a significant threat and it also helps against Maulers, flak and maniac...

[hollow ibex]

onslaught's really only worth against crushers

and even then... you should prob run a melee option that can deal with carapace

onslaught is a waste of ammo and build opportunity cost for a mildly helpful tactical option

[tall torrent]

Keep in mind that recon is most relevant vs softer human targets (at best maulers)

You can run dps trials on flak & maniac with/without onslaught, the TTK difference is not enough to justify minimum 3 points spent to get it because you’re gonna have rending strikes as well

[hollow ibex]

i hate how onslaught is annoying to grab even when i'm going down the right side of the tree lol

[tall torrent]

With dum dum + deathspitter the avg flak bodyshot dps vs mauler is 2~2.5k (depending on deathspitter stacks)

For XIV

Infernus kind of didn’t change that whatsoever

[low wagon]

While I acknowledge you point about reapers having too much effective hp for Deathspitter to work well, for sake of comparison
mk14 infernus on reapers, 26 s
https://i.imgur.com/aIha5Im.mp4

[tall torrent]

Yea again, you’re shooting at a high health target with a gun that has weak unyielding ADM

Infernus’ burn DOT has better unyielding ADM than the gun itself

That explains your discrepancy

Infernus is what elevates this gun’s boss dps from “wtf?” to “somewhat respectable”

[low wagon]

That being said - crushers, reapers, bosses, maulers - those are often priority targets for me when running recon, those are the things that realistically pose threat to the team and fuck up things

And there is argument, that Infernus also really well against softer targets like gunners or horde - you only need to put few shots on gunner, burning will do the rest 50% of the damage

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily, because against softer targets where deathspitter stacks easily, it ends up being better

You can check XIV infernus on mauler bodyshot

It’s not much different from 2k dps

At the end of the day it comes down to how much do you need your gun to do

And how willing you’re to engage with melee

Because a full kit onslaught XII build has maybe 1 point spare

And you’re definitely not affording 10% atk speed so that closes a lot of doors on you

[low wagon]

That's true, if you want to max it you won't even get Desperado, just Recipro

[tall torrent]

In my view at least, I’m always gonna prioritize melee weapon for anti-carapace & boss damage if I can, so onslaught is genuinely a pointless pick

Like, I run a Rashad

Why do I need onslaught to magdump crushers

And the other thing is

Even if you go onslaught XII full kit

Because of that melee talent limitation

You’re most probably gonna end up with 1 of the 2 following melee weapons

1. Power sword
2. Duelling sword

Both are really good at killing carapace & bosses

So good that I still wouldn’t consider onslaught to be useful

[low wagon]

I agree, but I usually run Recon on builds with worse melee weapons for variety

gotta hit bed, I maintain my liking of Onslaught a lot, but I concede that all mk12 / mk14 / infernus / deathspitter variants are quite close in terms of effectiveness

[tall torrent]

Ya that’s why I don’t write only dum dum + deathspitter

[inner temple]

I could just go chainsword

[low wagon]

thanks for discussion; in future when I get the time I'll maybe do more soft target testing, night!

[tall torrent]

I put dum dum + deathspitter/infernus in my guide

[tall torrent]

I wish chainsword was good

[inner temple]

It stuns most things and does armor pen good enough for me

Even if it's not the greatest

[serene bough]

i just hate how boring their moveset is

spam M1 or spam heavies

[tall torrent]

I wish it was better at single target damage & stagger vs elites

[inner temple]

Can still just.. light heavy or heavy light

That's still viable tbh even the push attack

I sometimes activate just to push attack lel

[serene bough]

i still find it pretty uninteresting even so

its a pretty iconic weapon i wish it had a more interesting moveset and better single target

[inner temple]

Eh its a what can you do. In the long run its a chainsword. Despite it being iconic theres not a whole lot you can do. Its a horde slaying game not like its crap its good fun still just need a certain taste. I happen to have that 'I hunger' thing.

[unborn ridge]

What are the current meta / best weapons for veterab

[thorn torrent]

Melee
Knife 6
Duelling sword 4
Combat axe 3
Power sword 6
Heavy sword 9

Ranged
Revolver 2a
Infantry auto 5
Recon 12 & 14
Boltgun
Plasma
These are the top performers

From Veteran dude.

lol

[serene bough]

the list should be pinned for the current patch

[thorn torrent]

Really appreciate your guide too, btw. I've been looking over it, that's solid work

[tall torrent]

I added weapon ammo capacity to ranged weapons' pages last night

at 80% ammo roll

[thorn torrent]

Combat knife is surprisingly awesome.

I've been testing it out on my zealot. Actually kind of absurd how good it is for a knife lol

[tall torrent]

it's really good on zealot

zealot top 3 melee might be
knife 6
duelling sword 4
crusher

not super sure on that

[thorn torrent]

Knife feels a lot better than the shovel, even in the middle of a horde. Being able to pivot dodge and flank around a whole group that easily is wild.

[serene bough]

knife mobility alone is enough reason for me to barely touch any other melee weapon

wish there were more high mobility melee options

[thorn torrent]

I wish the mobility stat on weapons that are logically light weight, like the shovel, had more impact on the distance you dodge away. Or, like, being able to dodge forward through a group with block up.

The knife really does its job for the role its made perfectly.

[serene bough]

there was a time where the shovel had some pretty good dodge distance

idk why they nerfed it so much

[uncut pebble]

Knife 3 but yeah.

Ds4 is #1 for zealout tho.

[thorn torrent]

What do you mean by 'knife 6' and 'knife 3'?

Ds4?

[uncut pebble]

Model number.

[thorn torrent]

Ah

[uncut pebble]

Combat blades.

The only thing separating the two, name wise, is the number.

[tall torrent]

why is knife 3 better than 6 for zealot

does mk6 miss breakpoints compared to mk3

cuz ik the finesse value is a bit lower

[uncut pebble]

Biggest issue with running knife is bulwarks and mk6 has issues with killing them because you clip the shield a bunch.

[tall torrent]

ah ok

makes sense

[uncut pebble]

Mk3 can do PA into the left heavy into the light that has heavy profile.

[tall torrent]

idk I would still put them at like

knife 3 / 6
duelling sword
crusher

[uncut pebble]

They're VERY close, don't get me wrong.

[tall torrent]

at least interchangeable

[uncut pebble]

Realistically their bps are the same, too.

[tall torrent]

ya the breakpoints are the same

for vet it's just, better horde clear & higher dps

so no reason to bother with mk3

u can krak bulwarks anyway

[uncut pebble]

Idk, I still prefer mk3 over mk6.

[tall torrent]

what abt crusher making it into top 3

[uncut pebble]

I use knife only with Coles cracked out db weapon spec setup though.

[uncut pebble]

Def #3.

It has excellent armor damage and is good all around, and you can just knock stuff on its ass in a bad spot.

If youre weird and like thrust on it you can also breach crusher 1tap territory.

Might need to proc duellist or have slaughterer stacks, idk, I don't use thrust.

Its only downside is slow swing speed but thats mitigated by IJ/martyrdom and fotf.

[tall torrent]

I think rashad maybe 4th

just cuz it's a rashad

[uncut pebble]

One could argue for hammer being #3 but it's too specialized to take that spot.

[tall torrent]

crucis is really good too I like it a lot

[uncut pebble]

And yeah rashad would be #4 imo.

[tall torrent]

but my build for it is super weird lol

I run carapace + maniac, headtaker + slaughterer

[uncut pebble]

Get this, Dorn runs maniac on hammer for rager 1taps.

WAIT YOU DO TOO

[tall torrent]

ya

[uncut pebble]

GREMLIN

[tall torrent]

I bring a type of "veteran min-max" energy to every class

[uncut pebble]

Just shoot them bro.

[tall torrent]

behold

[uncut pebble]

It's not often you see dreg rager stacks.

[uncut pebble]

Thrust can just do that though.

[tall torrent]

thrust in my experience causes headtaker & slaughter stacks to drop

[uncut pebble]

25% cara + thrust special heavy will kill a crusher without fotf being needed.

[tall torrent]

and I have FotF to guarantee a one tap at the start of every fight anyway

I found it much safer to spam empower lights once the blessing stacks are up

was testing it in C-I-VI

[uncut pebble]

Yeah that's probably safer.

[tall torrent]

full headtaker & slaughterer empowered light is like 2.6k dmg on carapace weakspot

[uncut pebble]

I just like the crusher 1tap out of the box.

[tall torrent]

I mean

u do

FotF

but this is like, better for a prolonged fight

cuz once enemies get big wave thrust stacking is not as safe

and u risk dropping headtaker/slaughterer stacks while doing thrust s.H1

[uncut pebble]

This is valid.

I may make a specific hammer for CIVI.

[tall torrent]

try it u might like it

also headtaker + slaughterer is surprisingly decent at horde clear

[tall torrent]

I saw thunder hammer light atks having 0.5x ADM on maniac and never looked back

[tall torrent]

the only thing u miss out on is boss dmg

but tbh
boss dmg is never gonna be a problem with thunder hammer
u basically only go unyielding to farm high boss dmg number

[potent lichen]

How is Heavy Sword on Veteran?

[tall torrent]

not bad if u don't expect boss & carapace dmg out of ur melee

very good horde clear + can one tap dreg ragers

[potent lichen]

I want the right horde-clear melee for my bolt pistol Weapon Specialist build

[tall torrent]

oh uh

u start by not running boltpistol for weapon specialist tbh

it's way too point hungry for dmg breakpoints

unless u want to rely on crits for breakpoints

[shadow dagger]

when in doubt shockmaul

[thorn torrent]

Going to be hard to give up my bolt pistol lol

[potent lichen]

Damn I love bolt pistol so much though 😢

[tall torrent]

spam heavy + PA

it does way better at horde than u'd expect

push atk

[tall torrent]

it's not often but it definitely happens more often than carapace spam, and thunder hammer is so bad at dealing with them I feel it's worth getting maniac just for them

[midnight totem]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_zZtct64WYA

a true legend

[stoic thorn]

We need him to say what the sigma

The squidward VA didn't do it

[radiant pendant]

No

[full nacelle]

My favorite braced is definitely the Graia braced autogun. It's the only braced autogun that gets a higher rate of fire when you brace it and it has 999 bullets.

just an absolutely bullet hose

gathering footage for a build guide I'm making for it right now

[potent lichen]

I feel like I've tried every horde-clearing melee and still can't find one I like perfectly

[full nacelle]

Rashad Combat Axe with Brutal Momentum and Headtaker?

[pastel zealot]

I had the same issue. Fell in love with the shock maul

[placid portal]

Shock maul without attack speed passive feels off

[pastel zealot]

Idk, the bugger swings fast enough for me

🤔

[full nacelle]

I always wanted to enjoy the Shock Maul

something about the combos felt clunky

[hollow ibex]

other way around for me tbh

not a huge fan of the shock maul

i don't think it brings anything to the table compared to its peers

[full nacelle]

it makes real satisfying zapping noises

[potent lichen]

I'll give this a try next, been a long time since I used an axe

[full nacelle]

it's a game changer! it is absolutely insane as a general horde clear weapon

even without any melee talents it's still good

[potent lichen]

I mean I'm running a primarily melee Vet so I have essentially every melee perk

[wild vortex]

Careful, you might never use another melee again

[potent lichen]

The single-target damage was nice, but I felt like I was missing a lot of cleave

[full nacelle]

brutal momentum is an absolute must

[potent lichen]

Well of course I was using that

This was what I was running

[full nacelle]

yup that should take care of all your horde clear needs

[potent lichen]

See that's the thing, I found it was only okay at hordes

[wild vortex]

are you aiming for the heads? because it's CRAZY when you aim for the heads

[potent lichen]

I was

[full nacelle]

I dunno what to tell you then. The Rashad is an absolute powerhourse with tearing through hordes. Might just not feel right for you.

You could try other weapons but none are going to be as strong when it comes to mixed horde clear

only other one that does it would be the power swords as far as I know

and those you have to constantly charge

[potent lichen]

Power swords feel so awkward to me, there is no karkin way I'm gonna touch em

[full nacelle]

yep totally get that

[wild vortex]

uhhh what else is there.. Chainsword?

that's kinda doodoo vs carapace I guess

Shovels maybe?

[potent lichen]

I'm running an anti-carapace primary, so I don't need a ton of heavy-killing on my melee

Oh and Kraks too

[full nacelle]

heavy swords are decent then and yeah the mk1 shovel

chainsword too in that instance

[potent lichen]

I'll give the ol 13 chainsword another go

[austere mica]

Your melee is your primary

[potent lichen]

I mean ranged weapon

[gilded wraith]

If brutal momentum didn't exist, what would you take after headtaker on a Rashad?

[wild vortex]

I wouldn't use Rashad then

[potent lichen]

Definitely enjoying the speed and aggression of the chainsword

[quasi tulip]

anybody for Quick Work penance?

[tawny timber]

i be feeling like theres no reason not to pick shout

im trying to run exe stance rn and im not good enough to run damnation games but i find myself having games where i never use exe stance

[earnest bone]

Same here, i feel like it tried to do way too much(kekw Pickaxes) and as result mid or worse at everything. I also don't like the horde clear speed.

[tawny timber]

I really like the shock maul

[umbral scaffold]

Shout is universally useful, unfortunately

Arguably the best ability in the entire game

Yellow toughness, toughness refill and knockdown all in an area, low cooldown, on the same tree as tactical awareness

Now for the crucification part

It's smite for veterans

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-hello-hi-silly-kitten-cat-wave-hello-gif-15245852903591135367

[radiant chasm]

I’d go back to antax since it has base cleave worth a damn and prob just run headtaker decimator

[earnest bone]

You wouldn't use it tbh, the thing need some kind of cleave to be useful

otherwise it would go right into the trashiest tier

[grand perch]

every single barrel that can be active in this auric maelstrom is active

the beginning alone must have had 100 barrels

never seen that before. its not even in the modifiers

[elder fiber]

It should be

[wet ether]

Honestly I should feel bad about this but I don’t

I hit a barrel on purpose and sent one of my teammates flying to their death

It was a psyker so it wasn’t much of a loss

got a good laugh at least

[elder fiber]

it's socially acceptable to barrel kill smite psykers

[earnest bone]

isn't that toxic behaviour and racial discrimination

https://tenor.com/view/dog-say-what-wait-what-huh-confused-gif-15516420

[wet ether]

it was a smite psyker

[grand perch]

still not ok

[placid portal]

Been picking up Kantrael Shorty

Fun gun

[crimson pebble]

obliterate all smykers

[elder fiber]

It's not changing anything, either way the smite user isn't meaningfully interacting with the world around them (Pre-pop dangerous barrels if you're in front lol)

[wet ether]

bet you're fun at parties

[grand perch]

be toxic, receive toxic prizes

[wet ether]

nothing wrong with a light bit of trolling

[wet ether]

toxic yes but racial far from it lol

[earnest bone]

but humans cant use the power of the warp, which means psykers arent humans anymore

then they meltdown and transform into the ugly chaos being

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-book-throw-shotgun-crusader-gif-17800978

[stoic thorn]

I won with the Kasrkin in KT

I am truly a Veteran

[lusty sapphire]

Of course it is, like the God Emperor intended

[merry fern]

brothar

which staff 60 on plasma gun

[analog yacht]

None

Heat res at 69 gives 11 continuous shots instead of 8 at 60%

Then 71 charge time

If you really want to dump something then I guess heat res but those 3 extra shots are nice

Keystone are the purple ones at the bottom

Do you mean sharpshooter keystone or exe stance ability

[dreamy spade]

@dawn garnet

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-the-sith-star-wars-it-was-said-that-you-would-destroy-the-sith-not-join-them-gif-16486235

[dawn garnet]

😭 that rashad is weeping

[slow spade]

damage dump stat rashad UwU

[dreamy spade]

Apparently lethal prox increases nade radius

And deadly accurate is good

[wicked epoch]

hey guys question

would puncture 4 and shattering impact 4 be good for monster hunting on the bolter?

[slow spade]

yes

that's prime "fuck plague ogryn"

[wicked epoch]

thanks mate

[dreamy spade]

I don't think brittleness does much against monsters

There are other better blessings

[slow spade]

the bleed

iirc bleed does 170 damage per stack

but doesn't have 100% armor pen

[dreamy spade]

Monsters dont have armour

[verbal burrow]

As long as you check how many stacks you apply per hit, and check how long each application lasts, and properly dose your shots, instead of mag-dumping, then yes, but it’s still not going to beat a nice combat stim and 2 krak grenades

[thorn lark]

i had a 400 specials mael once. There were no special modifiers.

it was bonkers

[slow spade]

Unyielding...

[dreamy spade]

Brittleness is only useful for carapace

[thorn lark]

this how i hunt bosses with my zealot and my vet

[slow spade]

bleed...

[thorn lark]

brittleness applies to unyielding too

[slow spade]

I'm assuming they meant that bolter has roughly 100% damage vs unyielding

[verbal burrow]

Personally I would run Surgical for the guaranteed crit, and gloryhunter for extra toughness gain that can be funneled into Born Leader

[slow spade]

underestimating 170x4 damage is though

[slow spade]

boss hunting build

[verbal burrow]

Yes I also like tagging, combat stimming, and feeding it 2 krak

[slow spade]

you can do both

[thorn lark]

yeah but it will benefit others, or your melee weapon

[verbal burrow]

But why tho

[slow spade]

fuck bosses

[verbal burrow]

Then just magdump the bokter after the holy handgrenading

[thorn lark]

i find inspiring barrage way better than glory

[slow spade]

yeah that's the point of the build...

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-and-loaded-machine-gun-lets-do-this-throwback-angry-gif-14840322

[slow spade]

stagger then magdump 💪

[verbal burrow]

Magdumping a bolter is not going to work with the brittleness and bleed blessings, because there is a limit to how many stacks you may apply

If you wanted that uptime on max bleed/brittle you would have to reduce the rate of fire to one hit per second on semi auto

[slow spade]

just keep shooting?

"oh its not literally perfect"

lol

[verbal burrow]

Yes, roughly one application of brittle/bleed each second

[slow spade]

who cares?

its a boss killing build

if you need to min max down to your debuff stacks to kill a beast of nurgle, you probably have other issues

[wicked epoch]

man

if i have to min max it

thatll be

boring

just throw 3 shredders magdump shout and shank it constantly

[slow spade]

indeed

16 max stacks of bleed

on Puncture that is

idk if shredder nades have a cap or can go past the cap

guide says 16 is max cap overall for bleed

[wet ether]

Ahhh man

Don’t know why but darktide never ceases to amaze me

[slow spade]

indeed, its a miracle Atoma isn't just a graveyard with how many people they cram into it

[wet ether]

Well I may or may not have sent at least 6 Psykers to their impending early demise via a barrel explosion

[hallow parrot]

if they didn't want their barrels shot they wouldn't paint them in bright colors tbh

[wet ether]

Oi my fellow vets just saying if any of y’all got downed I would rush over to revive you

[umbral scaffold]

VoC should have a bigger CD

[sleek garden]

I once watched a guy sit on an unreachable bit in chasm Logistratum and beat a beast of nurgle to death with catachan sword lights for 2 minutes

[quaint kettle]

found a 71 thermal res 69 charge rate plasma gun

[sleek garden]

He was using the one mark that didn't have a light attack strikedown too

[quaint kettle]

so close to greatness

[slow spade]

amazing

sweatiest clutch ever UwU

[stoic thorn]

I want a scion helm

It's really fucking stupid that they put cosmetics on a rotation tbh

Do you want my money NOW or do you want my money LATER when I've probably changed my mind and left the game

[strange patrol]

I'll never use their premium store, I haven't bought anything with the "free" premium currency I got with the release of the game and the higher priced buy option. It's whack, even if the artists went hard on some fashion I don't care.

[tropic abyss]

same

[lusty sapphire]

It's not polite to lie to people

[tropic abyss]

I mean, you don't need it on flak so what else are you gonna use it for? unyielding?

[lusty sapphire]

Depends on the weapon

But bolter with shattering impact is a big fuck you to anything bigger than a normal human

[slow spade]

yeah FOMO only works if the customer can actually have a chance to buy what they want

[sleek garden]

I had game pass points so I got two 10 dollar gift cards on darktide

I bought a funny helmet for vet and a red beret for ogryn

[slow spade]

nice c:

I want the funny cowl for ogryn that says "REPENT" on it

[sleek garden]

I have stuff left over, I want to get something for my psyker or zealot next

I saw a zealot leather cowl thing with goggles that looked silly

But before I made up my mind it rotated out

Bummer

[slow spade]

once more Fatshark loses out on cash from their FOMO UwU

[sleek garden]

The big fancy cosmetics I don't always like too much

There was the sanctioned psyker outfit that was kinda cool it was just a smart gray and black outfit

[slow spade]

I want armor on Psyker

40k is the only game I've found so far where the mages can be dripped in armor

I mean technically Rimworld...but those aren't mages

[grand perch]

ogryn gets this one floppy hat with a fibula in it. i want that on veteran so bad

[slow spade]

Vet wearing Ogryn cosmetics looks hilarious

there's one where its an armored vest but the vet head is barely poking out and makes his legs look stubby :p

[sleek garden]

The psykers prefer wearing fancy stuff

their fancy stuff is goofy

[slow spade]

a shame

such is life

[tough tiger]

Zealot is full of bdsm gear

[tropic abyss]

seems about right for a zealot

[placid portal]

that fuckin executioner hoodie or that toilet paper hat is hilarious

[formal hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXsPge3eGjQ

This outdated or still relevant?

3 month old video.

[hearty panther]

there's been some changes but its probably still mostly relevant

[formal hamlet]

Will give this a try if I can work up the energy to play today.

Had Corona or man flu.

[hearty panther]

both equally deadly

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I also hurt my back last week carrying a microwave, so every time I couch I feel a stabbing pain in my spine.

[grand perch]

just skimmed this but no demolition stockpile, notoriously underwhelming competitive urge, infamously denying uncanny strikes greatness? yeah no

[formal hamlet]

Tanner had a recent video about Curios so I might edit my ones to match his advice, seemed like good tips.

[grand perch]

also born leader? just why

actually, no, dont tell

[slow spade]

because funny

[formal hamlet]

I don't know the names so I gotta keep checking my talent tree to find the ones you mean.

[hearty panther]

i mean. It does what it says, and it's pretty good

[formal hamlet]

Born Leader does sound useful for the team.

Ironically my "squad leader" plasma gun build doesn't have born leader.

[grand perch]

if you have gloryhunter on your plasma yeah

without...meh

[slow spade]

Born Leader is good to pick by virtue that its competing with trash

[hearty panther]

ever heard of confirmed kill

[grand perch]

still meh

[slow spade]

its only bad if you ignore where it is on the tree

when you realize its competeing with +10% damage for 5 sec every 30 sec or so (at best) and +50% suppression

suddenly its not so bad

[formal hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

This is the one I'm currently running.

I run a power sword for all my builds.

Except a knife/revolver one I have.

But even after all this time I haven't fully grasped how to always get a free charge without being hit, sometimes I mess it up, makes it feel clunky.

Friend told me you shove, charge, swipe a few times, and repeat.

[slow spade]

charge -> immediately block

skips the charge process

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I've been using the block cancel recently.

[slow spade]

ONLY for the mk6

[formal hamlet]

Very handy.

[slow spade]

indeed c:

[formal hamlet]

I dunno if actually blocking attacks cancels the charge or if it still works, but it has been overall better.

[slow spade]

it doesn't cancel

[hearty panther]

Skips some of the animation

[slow spade]

it goes away if your chained attacks end

[hearty panther]

Sadly they did not successfully fix the bug where taking a hit before swinging the active breaks it

[slow spade]

stagger, stunned, and the like turn it off

[formal hamlet]

Oh maybe that's what happens sometimes.

[slow spade]

no its always been like that

[hearty panther]

negative, the chained prerequisite yes

[formal hamlet]

I was recommended to try Rashad combat axe, but I still haven't gotten one with a good roll.

The knife has been solid though.

[slow spade]

if your chained combo ends, the charge goes away

[hearty panther]

but presently you can activate, not swing, and if you're struck you lose it

which is true of all chain weps, thammer, and force swords too

which is not intended

[slow spade]

Fatshark hates us

simple

[hearty panther]

its pretty annoying lul

[slow spade]

indeed but at least its not randomly turning off anymore

[formal hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytVMkC0hTjQ

Also saw this recently.

[hollow ibex]

What’s the tldw

[quaint kettle]

Uncanny is good for things like flamers bleed and other DOT's but many times its usefulness is overstated and other perks like precog and riposte work better on some builds where people take uncanny

if you use lacerate uncanny or whatever you shouldn't worry

most of the video was breakpoints on crushers with dueling sword

I started recently and am still trying to learn so it might be better to get a second perspective from a vet on this video

[slow spade]

Uncanny Dueling + Lethal Prox bolt pistol UwU

[hearty panther]

i havent watched it either but having lurked streams of new/lower players uncanny can be pretty wasted

[grand perch]

that video has been discussed numerous times, and its bullshit

[hearty panther]

they cant consistently land headshots

[grand perch]

oh hang on, i'm thinking of an older one

[hearty panther]

and cant make use of it when it matters most as a result

[quaint kettle]

^

Keeping up stacks is pretty difficult and many people who dont consistently keep it up sometimes overrate it a bit based on a single interaction

such as hitting crushers with a knife and doing a ton of dmg but 90% of the games staying at super low stacks

[formal hamlet]

My knife has uncanny, was a build someone on here gave me where I use right side tree with knife/revolver.

[quaint kettle]

What else is on it?

lacerate/

[formal hamlet]

Lemme check, game crashed.

Loves doing that.

Doesn't like me alt tabbing.

[quaint kettle]

been crashing a lot because of low memory

which is really strange since I have quite a lot

[hollow ibex]

I mean if you’re in melee it’s probably up lol

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I got that one time, my friend keeps getting it too, mine's mostly some new alt tab bug.

[quaint kettle]

I hope im not mixing up lacerate and flesh tearer again

lacerate is non weakspot and flesh tearer is on crit

[inland orchid]

Correct

[hollow ibex]

We were talking about uncanny no?

[quaint kettle]

yeah

[formal hamlet]

Okay so my knife has mercy killer and uncanny.

[tame lodge]

Yup
Uncanny Lacerate is also one of the combos ever

[hearty panther]

you'd be surprised, it's not an assumption you should make

[formal hamlet]

From this build. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d54b140-74b9-4c4a-a7cc-6ecfc283bead/knife-vet-9

[hearty panther]

and its not really worth keeping if you only occasionally score one or two stacks before they fade

its like when i say i use Decimator and people ask if i really swing without missing

and to me that's obvious as fuck

but genuinely people have a lot of trouble not mashing left mouse

there's also the mental trap that is maximizing uptime

but that's separate I suppose

[hollow ibex]

how tho, that means you're only landing like two weakspot hits?

[hearty panther]

yep

that it would

again you cant assume a player looking for game advice is scoring 50% headshot ratings in melee lmao

[broken spade]

uncanny's numbers are big enough that i'd still say just take it anyways

and it would encourage you to practice getting better at it

well, unless there's some physical disability that limits them from getting good at headshots

or they're a controller player

[hearty panther]

i wouldnt not recommend it, but they'd have to be pretty focused and aware enough to keep track of their actual uptime in a fight

which means you gotta have crazy eyes looking at two different parts of your screen if youre modless like most are

[slow spade]

have a program check your hits

if you hit body, instant alt+F4

suddenly you're encouraged to play better UwU

[hollow ibex]

yeah gave shovel mk1 another try

it's actually reasonable in a pinch against carapace

def underestimated that push attack

gotta love it, what a great weapon

makes shock maul even sadder

[tame lodge]

Special into push attack

[inland orchid]

Heavy into special strike having enough impact to stun a lot of the elites makes me happy

Love me shovel

[tame lodge]

I don't remember if it insta kills Scab Ragers without Take a Swing

[hollow ibex]

i was worried that mk1 got overshadowed because of mk3 / mk7, but now i feel better

[inland orchid]

The flip shovels are cool but sometimes older at least feels better

[delicate helm]

i love stacking impact blessings on shovel so i can stunlock every enemy that can flinch

[hearty panther]

i just dont see any need for the spikey special when i have kraks n shit

[tulip shuttle]

For us Shredder vets, the flip-down on the shovel is awesome in a pinch

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-gif-5426075

"shredder vets"

[tulip shuttle]

Dozens you say? Sounds like something a krak grenade would have trouble with 🤣
Really though, for each his purpose!

[hollow ibex]

dozens? i mean shredder is kinda the default take lol

[tulip shuttle]

What's the consensus on Infiltrate, anyhow? Have a buddy of mine that is learning vet and doesn't want to use VoC, but I'm not really sure how to go about building for Infiltrate specifically. Not sure if it requires Combat Blade or another interaction

[delicate helm]

we exist!

[grand perch]

i was talking about the autopistol

[hollow ibex]

Oh lmao

That wasn’t confusing at all

[delicate helm]

i just call them frags

so i dont get mixed up with the autopistol

[grand perch]

now if the autopistol shot shredder frags...thats a gun worth considering

[tulip shuttle]

Fatshark take notes lol

[delicate helm]

who knew that a fully automatic concealed carry grenade launcher that’s extremely easy to handle would be powerful

[grand perch]

heavy 'murican breathing

[tulip shuttle]

Anyone remember the Mass Effect 3 glitch that made the automatic grenade launcher shoot instakill rockets? Good times.

[hearty panther]

It's good. Not much to overthink about it.

[delicate helm]

i use VoC so i can run at the enemy in a straight line with no strategy whatsoever

[hollow ibex]

Tbf you can do the same with infiltrate

[inland orchid]

I like VoC so I can watch my teammates blue bars become yellow

[delicate helm]

well yeah but with Infiltrate the enemy doesn’t know you’re there, so there’s no intimidation factor

i want them to know im coming, shovel in hand, ready to kill

[hollow ibex]

True. It’s just not the same if you can’t see the fear in their eyes

[delicate helm]

Gork vs Mork type sh

[tulip shuttle]

"FOR THE EMPEROR!!" BONK
Classic

[delicate helm]

i love mk.1 shovel heavy attack

BONK

shovel in general is just really versatile

it’s great at crowd clearing, single target damage, and can stunlock most enemies into an inescapable combo

[tulip shuttle]

Little is more satisfying than the fear of the dregs before you scrambling to get up as the shovel nears once again
I'm glad the zealots are enjoying their dueling swords, but I'm happy here lol

[slow spade]

I've been using Power Sword since I hit lvl 15

I won't stop unless Fatshark bricks it again

[elfin wing]

Anything I can improve here?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d60d0de-10ce-4008-9f19-a1c736f40b72/vet-26?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hearty panther]

thats a lot of grenade regen

[slow spade]

for smoke nades?

I suggest drop Covering Fire + Demo Team

and pick up Ping Keystone and keystone team damage

[hearty panther]

whoops

drop the reds

i recommend those two greens

youll still have three points after to do stuff with

[slow spade]

Close Quarters on a plasma?

[hearty panther]

cqkz is just good period

[slow spade]

the +20% strength on left is better

[hearty panther]

im not attunted to plasma well enough to make bp recommends with it

so, three points left over to do w/e with

but you deffo dont need three sources of grenade regen with smokes

[thorn lark]

don't you need longshot for one os bp?

[hearty panther]

i think you used to

[slow spade]

Longshot got nerfed into oblivion

[thorn lark]

like a flamer or something?

[hearty panther]

but longshot is shit now

[slow spade]

its 0.6% damage at 13m to 20% damage at 30m

you're literally better off with a +5% damage node

[thorn lark]

i know but i remember @tall torrent talking about that specific bp for that specific gun

[slow spade]

something like this would work

tried to keep the fundamental idea of your build

[broken spade]

volley adapt seems unnecessary here. They didn't have it to begin with anyways

and you reload like 4 times per game with plasma

[slow spade]

indeed

personally I'd run something like this

and use the reload animation cancel to compensate for no reload speed buffs

[elfin wing]

Ty

[slow spade]

they took Exhilerating Takedown initially which is even more meh

at least for plasma

[broken spade]

pretty much the same build i used to run

[tiny summit]

ET is nice on my ilas and autogun builds

[grand perch]

theres no reason to pick it over the middle unfortunately

[inner temple]

Tsk tsk

[slow spade]

"if I don't hit that breakpoint, I'm killing myself" build

[broken spade]

i think the only difference is I ran the stamina/toughness on focus target node instead of stamina delay

i run a stamina curio on my vet so i get decent value out of the stamina restore

[slow spade]

I found that I use all my stamina in melee instead of shooting, so I moved it to stam delay to favor my melee

[inner temple]

I usually take the toughness one with my support build myself. Basically makes everyone unkillable aslong as you do half decent

[slow spade]

I'll give it another shot

though its not like stam delay node isn't putting in work either

[broken spade]

something i'm thinking of trying is these 3 points instead of 3 points to reach agile engagement. Haven't tried though

[elfin wing]

that stam delay node is lookin juicy tho

idk

[inner temple]

Just mark them 5 times and you put 5 buff stacks on them its pretty good tbh

[inner temple]

Hey play what you want is my opinion

[broken spade]

If i wasn't running a stamina curio and wanted push attacks, i'd take stam delay too

[elfin wing]

True

[broken spade]

i just find stamina pretty reasonable to keep up with focus target + stam curio

[full nacelle]

reciprocity my beloved

[inner temple]

Like this one. One of my meme builds but honestly fun

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d61a17c-bd3f-4cc0-be77-ba58e31e1392/haha-funny?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[broken spade]

wtf inspiring presence

[inner temple]

The idea is to never die and you can still take out specials and such if no one else will.

[inner temple]

[full nacelle]

listen king

the least you could do is trade the +5% damage for the +10% damage

could you at least do that for me?

[elfin wing]

True

[inner temple]

Mayhaps

[full nacelle]

emprah bless

nobody let the funny guide man see that

[broken spade]

my gimmick build is this grenade bleed build with bistol and knife

i had to commit to the bleed meme so of course i have no points left for a keystone

[inner temple]

Its good for keeping your dumb mates alive in general. While still giving support and it works for me and the team so ey

[full nacelle]

twin blast krak grenades is crazy

[inner temple]

[inner temple]

Some good bleed there tbh may not even need keystone great horde and soft target control.

[broken spade]

it gets worse the more i look
very impressed

[inner temple]

Its not even a sweaty build and it works so eh

[broken spade]

It does actually work reasonably well

uncanny knife carried

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5bd976-7245-495e-89af-1ad6e2ac3b32/autopistol-support-for-idiots-me-2

[low wagon]

why would you waste points of smoke, agile engagement, try instead sth like

[full nacelle]

this is my version of that build but I use the autopistol

[low wagon]

depending on whether you prefer melee mobility and effectiveness or focus target for general damage increase

[inner temple]

Love shredder

[slow spade]

Average pug build

[broken spade]

why did you take suppression immunity on a suppress immune gun?

[full nacelle]

^

[broken spade]

plasma doesn't get suppressed

[full nacelle]

the better question is why did Fatshark make the plasma suppression immune?

[low wagon]

habit ;d go marksman for that point then for example

[slow spade]

the plasma exhaust burned his nerves away

[broken spade]

okay imagine how cancer it would be to get suppressed on a weapon with delayed shots, + lag

[slow spade]

can't sway then UwU

[full nacelle]

it's the plasma, get shid on

[inner temple]

Its alittle goofy but give it a shot if you want

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-cat-cute-gif-4544032

[slow spade]

:c

[full nacelle]

I like goofy but that's reaching into silly territory

[inner temple]

Its kept me alive on T5 and my team

[full nacelle]

I mean you can run anything and get through T5

this is why people arguing meta in this game is a joke

[inner temple]

Exactly

[full nacelle]

but if you want to talk build synergies and such

[broken spade]

tfw you run the worst nodes in the tree but you still have voice of command so you're still overpowered

[full nacelle]

so true

[inner temple]

You can literally run anything and still get by while having fun.

[full nacelle]

hell you could put your weapons away and run with 3 bots spamming voice of command and doing nothing else

easy run

[inner temple]

I can change it and still perform pretty nicely.

Hell sometimes I don't even use my ability

[sudden elm]

which of the guns has the highest dps(damage per second)

[full nacelle]

It's never a matter of "can you clear content"

[inner temple]

Thats honestly the best part DT and VT is just luck and skill based you can run nothing and still clear.

[full nacelle]

it's just "is this a good build or a bad build?"

[full nacelle]

vraks infantry autogun

plasma and zarona revolver are top tier too but less DPS, more special snipers

[sudden elm]

what blessings, what modifiers

[inner temple]

In terms of meta and everything yes and 'terrible' perks its again terrible. But my goal is to enjoy stupidity.

[full nacelle]

Ok so I actually made a build guide the other day for maximizing its DPS. If you want the more meta well-rounded build it's in there towards the beginning too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Jk5iG0VPU&list=PL4A83bl35hg_sBAp8mbGTdvjv5xO5RenY

You'd just trade stripped down for deathspitter

but I personally enjoy the playstyle there a lot more

gets the most damage out of the Vraks

[sudden elm]

dumdum

[full nacelle]

I already have dumdum in the video

[sudden elm]

which one has the highest damage in one shot

[full nacelle]

that would be the zarona revolver

[sudden elm]

not bolt pistol?

[full nacelle]

nah bolt pistol is similar but the revolver is stronger

can't one shot a crusher with bolt pistol

[candid agate]

are the infantry las guns any good? or are they too weak for maelstroms

[broken spade]

actually, how is helbore damage per shot?

[inner temple]

But bolt pistol has booms

[full nacelle]

nothing is too weak for maelstroms so don't worry about that! infantry lasguns are solid B-tier weapons

[broken spade]

i've never personally used a helbore

[sudden elm]

i havent 1 shot a crusher with a max stat, surgical, and +rending and carapace armor damage+ with my revolver

[candid agate]

hmm whats the best blessings for them then?

[sudden elm]

i think i maxed it

[full nacelle]

then you haven't specced your build for it... though I don't think it's worth it, it's more of a gimmick through stacking Marksman's Focus and buffs

[sudden elm]

i was zealot

[broken spade]

i think you need a stupid amount of talent buffs for the one shot crusher

it's not exactly normal to do it

[sinful jacinth]

Neither do I. And 90% of the player base. That's why you don't see many of them running it.

[full nacelle]

the pinned guide is very handy!

would recommend

[candid agate]

ill find that eventually

[full nacelle]

yeah you need a very specific vet build to do it and it's not consistent

you need like Marksman's Focus or Exe Stance

stuff like that

[broken spade]

the only helbore gameplay i've ever seen is my friend using it and memeing on bosses with it
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/922136978865156168/1297901815026946129/proofOfConcept.mp4?ex=67261d42&is=6724cbc2&hm=f5b17034b22e8706cbabfffbcd96dc42ca33f58dfc658a4067ef73f6ddce19b1&

i don't think it's meant to be a practical build but he runs with it

[full nacelle]

I want to like the helbore but they always feel clunky

maybe it's the scope

or lack thereof

[broken spade]

we feed him blue stims so he can melt bosses

[tame lodge]

Last time I checked
Mk 4 had the highest damage per shot in the game

[glacial mist]

good blessings combo for plasma?

i run volatile and rising heat rn but

seems a bit much on the ammo side

[full nacelle]

blessings are up at the top right for ya

you got some options

[glacial mist]

haha

ammo weakness

guess there's no getting out of that one

[broken spade]

I don't even think it's that big of a weakness

[glacial mist]

yeah but

[broken spade]

at worst it's like below average ammo

[glacial mist]

when you have volatile

keep firing at high charge gonna eat thru your reserve real quick

[inner temple]

Oof

Imagine if they added a 50% low profile on successful dodge perk lmao thats broken

[slow spade]

As a bolter main, helbore feels natural to me UwU

[inner temple]

Understandable

Both feel good to me

Please fatshark give my flamer sticky.. oh wait thats already a thing I remember reading it nvm

[spice ferry]

How can you complete maelstrom with bolter or helbore???

[slow spade]

Melta gun when?

[inner temple]

For real :0

[inner temple]

Just depends on what your focus is.

But either way you can use a bolter its just a slightly longer wait before firing. Not even a big deal in the end.

[spice ferry]

I only feel good with recon las gun. Got enough firepower to delete stuff.

[slow spade]

Same way as always

[inner temple]

Theres also ahaha

Theres also uh weapon swap speed. Yeah it actually exists

[slow spade]

The trick to bolter is dodging while pulling the gun out

Or using its special action to buy time

[broken spade]

bolter good

[inner temple]

This is true you can still dodge while readying weapons

[broken spade]

or press F

[slow spade]

I've actually killed things by bashing them with the bolter

[broken spade]

hell, press F is a solution with any of the abilities

[inner temple]

Ive only dodged because I thought the weapon had to be readied for special action good to know

[broken spade]

exec just swaps instantly
voc and stealth give you time to swap

just F and bolter swap issues are solved

on zealot you use a throwing knife

[slow spade]

A lot of the bolter issues are actually solved problems

The only real issue bolter has in practice is its ungodly sway

But unaiming and reaiming resets the recoil

So eh

[broken spade]

exec stance does fix that

[slow spade]

Indeed

[inner temple]

Slow swap? Solved. Weird recoil that eventually gets your spine broke? Solved just pull down or ads then un ads. Its issues are fine tbh

[broken spade]

reload time when using it on zealot is an issue but it's not that big of one

[inner temple]

I think of it as 'wow lugging this thing around sucks gotta put it down then pull it up'

[inner temple]

I just use small bolter

[broken spade]

knife canceling bolter draw is cool though

[slow spade]

Either the knife solves the problem and you swap to melee or you have a bolter drawn UwU

[full nacelle]

my biggest issue with the bolter is that I just want to spam fire with it constantly

[broken spade]

also this being right above twbs is pretty good for bolter builds

[full nacelle]

using it optimally is such a tease

[inner temple]

It do feel like that

[slow spade]

They know and they hate us

[broken spade]

tapping elites with exec stance is also really satisfying though

love the kill sfx

[inner temple]

When do we get actual lmgs other than braced autogun

[slow spade]

Love the smug look on the vet

[slow spade]

One day...

[inner temple]

Imagine they say 'F it' and give us heavy bolter thatd be alittle much and itd be terrible on ammo lmao

[full nacelle]

just give us a rocket launcher

I promise to not use it to blast my randoms off the map

[inner temple]

Hear me out. Grenade launcher for vet

Lemme make a full grenade build

Like I can make a full 'F it burn in holy flame' build for zealot. Just gotta make sure his beard doesn't get crispy

[thorn torrent]

I'm honestly surprised that one of the bolter models (bistol, spearhead) don't have a grenade launcher attached.

[full nacelle]

loner? you mean a zealot build?

[dense willow]

fuck

lmao

wrong chat

sorry boys

[full nacelle]

godspeed

[inner temple]

Haha lol nice

[frank basin]

@full nacelle I saw your comment on tanner video about Darktide system mechanic

[full nacelle]

[frank basin]

You like tanner?

[full nacelle]

caught in 4k

[inner temple]

Eyo

[full nacelle]

I've always thought he was a knowledgeable dude with a really abrasive personality

[frank basin]

[full nacelle]

respected his game knowledge, hated the way he voiced his opinions

[frank basin]

The cauliflower head cat won’t like it

[full nacelle]

but he's autistic and everyone critized him so I felt kind of bad

[hollow ibex]

idk about that first one either

[full nacelle]

now that he's on his wholesome arc

yeah I'm liking new Tanner

[hollow ibex]

some of his takes are pretty bad

[full nacelle]

I'm happy for him

he's really trying to turn things around

[frank basin]

So you knew him before? His about used to tell people he’s autistic

[full nacelle]

Oh yeah I ran into his content when I first started playing

[frank basin]

He kinda removed that

[broken spade]

he's said it recently too

like a couple weeks ago

[full nacelle]

he's pretty open about it with his whole "autistic femboi REEEEEEEEE" thing

[frank basin]

He tell himself that he’s autistic?

[broken spade]

it was some video about him complaining about the community

[frank basin]

man he’s like proud autism, I’m like him but not very opening about it

[broken spade]

something about him having autism so he can't help himself

[frank basin]

I hid myself

[low wagon]

Although he's abrasive I personally can't tolerate some screeching when he is more often right than wrong. And recently he makes effort and does not even screech.

[full nacelle]

Yeah he got into it during his response video to Mr. E talking about how he's kind of become the punching bag of the community for good reason, because he's bad at communicating and people don't get his sense of humor

[broken spade]

I don't really agree with him using it as an excuse to be more abrasive, but good on him for trying to improve more recently

[full nacelle]

which I figured was always the case

[frank basin]

He’s so me

That’s why I avoid being content creator

With extra not good English grammar

[inner temple]

What even is his sense of humor? Still new to darktide so like.

[full nacelle]

well it used to be very over the top edgelord

kinda childish

[broken spade]

he used to yell a lot

[full nacelle]

telling people to off themselves if they run certain nodes, stuff like that

[inner temple]

Ah

[full nacelle]

I never took it seriously but it was annoying

but yeah tons of people hate him for that

[inner temple]

Alittle much and annoying but eh whatever is his groove

[full nacelle]

and I think it's actually really gotten to him

[broken spade]

his volume on YouTube is so quiet now that i gotta turn him up, but i'm paranoid that he'll just regress back to screaming randomly and my ears will just die

[full nacelle]

so now recently he's changed it up and been a lot more calm level-headed in his videos

though he did use the word "silly billy" in one of his recent ones

so ask your parents before viewing that one

[low wagon]

doesn't help that there are some genuine shitbags who harass him and leave 700+ negative comments

[frank basin]

He throw r slur for anyone using wrong way that’s very harsh to say

[low wagon]

that's real mental illness if you ask me

[frank basin]

4channer call autistic r slur

[full nacelle]

Yeah I mean I posted one little fun build video for the first time and already had one person BLOW UP at me on reddit over it

the "top commentor" of the Darktide subreddit

his comments were deleted by mods

[hollow ibex]

some people just have no life

[hearty panther]

top commentor doesnt really mean shit

[full nacelle]

can't blame him for being a bit defensive

[hollow ibex]

but if you want to act like a dickhead on the internet, you should also expect people to respond in kind

[full nacelle]

Yeah no just means the dudes a nerd

[frank basin]

Probably 4chan user

[hearty panther]

but im a top commentor ;_;

[inner temple]

Or a full on no lifer

[full nacelle]

yes but you're a beautiful nerd

[hearty panther]

and a professional bottom

[full nacelle]

OKAYYYYYYY

[frank basin]

I remember he call out “don’t be like real Asian robot”

[full nacelle]

thicc kings rise up

tbh RealAsianRobot I actually don't enjoy... as a content creator that is

[frank basin]

Due to zealot talent node he explaining

[broken spade]

I don't know much about realasianrobot but i remember a lot of people hating him

[full nacelle]

his builds were genuinely bad a lot of the time and he started every video with "hopefully your favorite Darktide content creator"

[frank basin]

I don’t hate him he’s neutral to me

[full nacelle]

coming on a little strong dude lol

[frank basin]

He switch to the first descendant content now

[full nacelle]

I think it's mostly because RealAsianRobot's videos were popular despite not actually being good

so he's the first one that would pop up and tell you to play Smite Psyker

and spam smite on every poxwalker in sight

[broken spade]

i feel like it probably just sucks being a darktide content creator

[frank basin]

Real Asian robot is my first thing I saw Darktide content creator

Existing

[broken spade]

the game also has barely any players so until recently i'm guessing it was a small audience

[frank basin]

I don’t watch YouTube guide content if the game is simple for me

I was there before talent revamp saw real Asian robot content when feats was a thing

[broken spade]

like we have like 6-10k players nowadays but before the big update it was more like 2-4k players

[frank basin]

True

[full nacelle]

Yeah I'm sure he's a great guy but he wasn't knowledgeable enough about the game to really be the top darktide content creator

[frank basin]

I was in beta when weapon upgrade still under construction and coming soon

[low wagon]

well, we just got out of Early Access with that update

[broken spade]

pre update i'd bet that a good chunk of the remaining 4000 players were dedicated tryhards so making content for them probably feels like getting roasted by nerds with 2000 hours

[inner temple]

I mean I've played games where theres 500 if you're lucky during mid day

Even on a weekend

[frank basin]

I used to use recon mk7 on damnation and I get call out by toxic scoreboard user

[hearty panther]

player count covos always make me laugh

[frank basin]

Long time ago

Like modding in Darktide we’re there when feats is a thing

I think scoreboard kinda make first toxicity contact

[full nacelle]

I'm glad I waited before jumping into Darktide... Gave it enough time to fall in love with the talent tree when I started but still enough time to hate the old crafting system

[frank basin]

Good thing you love new crafting system

[broken spade]

people find ways to be toxic with or without scoreboard anyways

[hearty panther]

idk never regretted the purchase

crafting sucked but the combat was pure skill expression so w/e

[frank basin]

With scoreboard they would judge your weapon performance; and discriminate your weapon of choice

[hearty panther]

didnt buy a crafting sim anyway

[frank basin]

Skill celling?

[hearty panther]

wdym

[full nacelle]

my issue is just that I wanted to run so many builds in auric and it sucked having to constantly roll resources praying I could actually try my build

[inner temple]

It kinda does. Its bad for toxic people good for people that wanna make improvements and such

[full nacelle]

cause some of them were blessing reliant etc.

[frank basin]

Skill celling like for combat need be super good to perfection the gameplay on high difficulty

Is define from soul-like games

[hearty panther]

blessings sucked, some just sucked much more than others, but if you just settled for t3 you were usually more than fine

[wild vortex]

I use scoreboard mod but I have seen some people have a lot more detailed scoreboard

is that a separate mod?

[full nacelle]

tbh I haven't seen anyone be toxic over the scoreboard... I don't usually even check it until the end of the game

[wild vortex]

or is it like options in the main scoreboard mod?

[hearty panther]

oh yea, like the ceiling is high here

[frank basin]

There is two different scoreboard

[wild vortex]

ohhh

[full nacelle]

I had a toxic Ogryn the other day

broke my heart

[hearty panther]

more just in general your weapons are much less a predictor of player output than the player themselves are

[full nacelle]

[broken spade]

ovenproof scoreboard plugin is what i use

[frank basin]

Is just you hit the celling you can’t surpass the mastery if you play as average player

[wild vortex]

shame on Ogrynkind

[full nacelle]

truly

[broken spade]

I haven't seen many toxic players

[full nacelle]

big man was dying to poxwalkers and dropping slurs all game

[inner temple]

That sucks:(

[wild vortex]

that is AWFUL

[full nacelle]

not very Ogrynpilled smh

[frank basin]

Some guy once told story “I met ogryn named kratos and holy fuck he just fuck off entire game go ahead alone get pinned down and he tell “why nobody help””

[inner temple]

You just reminded me

https://youtu.be/GKPuLFx6RYE?si=FvfbsX6duNRevdbv

[thorn torrent]

I'm suddenly self-conscious knowing there is a scoreboard 🤣

[full nacelle]

Yeah our Ogryn was playing 30 miles away from the rest of the team during an event and then when he died and nobody went back for him he threw a pissy fit

[inner temple]

Its a mod

[frank basin]

I should play another ogryn with rumbler

[inner temple]

But yeah there is technically its ok tho just get better in time if you're not good yk

[wild vortex]

kinda crazy because of how GOOD it is staying in coherency for Ogryn in particular

[inner temple]

Im still doing heresy with randoms damnation with friends

[thorn torrent]

Ogryn is my last that I need to take to 30, and I dunno man. Being that big of a guy, it's always obvious when you fuck up lmao

[frank basin]

Heck I remember I play with Galeophobia and he post scoreboard he top score while my plasma weapon is 3-4th place dmg dealing

[full nacelle]

and he was playing gun ogryn which wants to stay with the team... not this man

[inner temple]

The only thing you need to do. Focus on picking anyone up and 'protect the lil uns'

[wild vortex]

it's funny, I started with Ogryn and even now play it the most, and I had to sort of re-learn the game to level my runts

[frosty raft]

What blessings works well with Heavy Laspistol ?

[frank basin]

Ghost dumdum

[broken spade]

i play ogryn the least

[thorn torrent]

lol that's what I try to do now. Zealot and veteran are kind of tailored to be support. Ogryn better support?

[broken spade]

hate being that big

[wild vortex]

playing gunlugger and dying to poxwalkers is truly shame

[full nacelle]

Ghost and Dum Dum

[frank basin]

I play ogryn gunlugger with rumbler

[inner temple]

Ogryn and zealot is the best to pick someone up unless vet uses the pick up on VOC use. Or infiltrate

[broken spade]

i think it's impossible to be a better support than voice of command

[frank basin]

Explosive go boom boom

[thorn torrent]

Yeah, I use stealth a lot to pick people up tbh

[wild vortex]

idk I haven't found a single better "support" feel build than my VOC/Plasma/Grenades Veteran. I guess maybe Martyrdom/Chorus Zealot is a decent second?

[thorn torrent]

Pretty awesome.

[full nacelle]

Ogryn felt terrible for me... Until I just played Gun Ogryn and became Thicc Vet

[frank basin]

Then you run out ammo

[full nacelle]

the lil uns ain't stealin' me guns rations! 'e needs to eat too y'know?!

[thorn torrent]

I try to pick up talents that affect the whole group, toughness regen, coherency stuff. Stealth has been a huge gameplay divergence.

[frank basin]

Last second run as ogryn my entire team and me struggle ammo crisis

[wild vortex]

then you take out your Karsolas and lay waste to everything around you anyway

[inner temple]

I like heavy swing ogryn and taunt the most lol