veteran-class

[orchid hemlock]

thats still prob more than 50% of the entire player base ngl

[hollow lion]

What am I missing trying to run combat shotguns? The double barrel works pretty well but all the combat shoguns just feel so clunky

[shadow dagger]

that's the curse of having per-shot reloads

[hollow lion]

having some success running the agri but it just feels like im reloading all game lol

[shadow dagger]

those things will probably feel awful regardless of how much effort you put into em

[hollow lion]

I mean I like the revolver, maybe not on vet but it doesnt feel bad to use

[shadow dagger]

I think running a reload boost with combat shotguns is borderline mandatory

[hollow lion]

I have volley adept, longshot helps too

[shadow dagger]

combat shotguns need something

probably several somethings, actually

[hollow lion]

like do I really need to dump two points for fleeting? thats crazy lol

[hollow ibex]

I think agri is very fun but the rest are kinda shit

I just run tac reload

[hollow lion]

do you run it on executioner or shout?

[hollow ibex]

And that’s enough

[hollow ibex]

Shout

[hollow lion]

ah ive been trying executioner

[shadow dagger]

it would be cool if a reload boost just decided to fuck it and let you load 2 shells at a time

that would probably barely solve the reload issue

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1301201649871884359/41.mp4?ex=67239df8&is=67224c78&hm=ab35a825cd3147fb81bed47164f7a58d4149447d1e3b2c6a8936f0d8e2559b84&

Agri memes

[hollow lion]

yeah the slug is crazy, super fun

its just everything else lol

[hollow ibex]

I like pretending that I’m running a black powder elephant gun

[shadow dagger]

2 healthbars?

huh

[hollow ibex]

Prob healthbars mod bugging

[shadow dagger]

yeah probably

oh yeah speaking of which is true level buggin recently even after the latest patch

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it doesn’t always work for me

[shadow dagger]

sometimes levels just kinda don't show up for a while or even the whole game

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[deft crystal]

Does ps still have the inf cleave bug

or did they patch that

[jaunty rune]

just got atoma elite guard, 2 smykers is something else

[deft crystal]

do u know off the top of ur head or nah?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t have infinite cleave

Hasn’t had infinite cleave in like 2 years

[indigo lark]

what are best blessings for bolt pistol on stamina build using dueling sword (weapons specialist)?

[slim terrace]

whats a better, faster melee then the power sword. its fun, but doesnt hit quick enough for me
thinking about the chainsword

or duelling sword for some commissar fun

[wet ether]

So what makes the Rashad so good?

[tall torrent]

top 3 horde clear, anti-elite, anti-armor, boss dps for veteran
and doesn't suck at dodges

[hollow ibex]

when you're wielding the rashad, heretics won't kill you

but the boredom might

[wet ether]

What are the top 3 exactly?

[tall torrent]

boss dps-wise, knife & duelling sword both beat it
power sword is worse in overall kill speed but can kill faster with VoC & krak stagger since it has higher sudden burst dmg

everything outside of horde clear, knife and duelling sword beat it by a bit

chainsword beats rashad in pure poxwalker/groaner
rashad beats it in bruiser & mixed horde

[wet ether]

damn

Where does my beloved chain sword rank?

[tall torrent]

Mid tier at best for veteran

It’s horde clear one trick

[wet ether]

Damn

[tall torrent]

If chainsword had better anti-elite, anti-armor and boss damage they’d be better

[hearty panther]

its the absolute best in slot at achieving a job nobody cares about

[wet ether]

Which is?

[hearty panther]

trash clear

[tall torrent]

Chopping up groaners & poxwalkers

[wet ether]

[hollow ibex]

honestly it confuses me why it's not better at anti-fatass work

[slim terrace]

so i should go with combat knife for faster, easier kills?

[wet ether]

My beloved chain sword

[tall torrent]

It is really really really good at chopping up groaners & poxwalkers

[hearty panther]

like REALLY good

[tall torrent]

But it is also really really really shit at fighting melee elites

[hearty panther]

it can't be undersold

[slim terrace]

was thinking dueling sword or knife or chainsword

[tall torrent]

Depends
If u want to use knife as a proper melee weapon, it has the highest point cost of any melee weapon for veteran

[wet ether]

Ugh guess I gotta find a better melee

[slim terrace]

point cost?

[tall torrent]

Amount of talent points needed to get a weapon to optimal performance

[wet ether]

What do y’all recommend that would be close to the chain sword?

[tall torrent]

Do u care about the “chain” aspect more or the “sword” aspect more

[slim terrace]

so which is better for boss dmg, sword or knife?

[tall torrent]

What exactly do u need in ur build

[wet ether]

Either just want a versatile weapon

[hearty panther]

to be fair to csword tho it does have the fastest rev-to-swing time of all activated specials and it does frontload a lot of its rev damage on the light rev

[slim terrace]

power sword felt slow when i was swarmed in a hoard, plasma is good enough for bosses, but i need a better melee rn

[hearty panther]

but that was more impactful back when elites spawned in groups of six and not sixteen

[slim terrace]

thinking sword

[tall torrent]

He uses mk13g so that’s not really true

[tall torrent]

Why do u need plasma for boss

[hearty panther]

idk why anyone uses that janky bitch

i wanna love it but its moveset does not flow

[slim terrace]

i great dmg, and i really wanted to use it. its fun

[tall torrent]

It’s not great boss damage

[hearty panther]

its got all the right parts in the wrong order

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty mid at boss damage

Plasma’s strong suit is really good backline anti-elite & special sniping

[hearty panther]

ye plasma puts out a big number but it doesnt put that number out fast or often

[slim terrace]

i watched a clip, a guy 4 shot a beast on auric malestorm

[hearty panther]

baby nurgle?

[tall torrent]

Weakened beast of nurgle? lol

[slim terrace]

normal

[tall torrent]

Do u use mods

[hearty panther]

i dont think that's impossible but it was probably exceedingly specialized

[slim terrace]

no

[tall torrent]

You can spawn a beast of nurgle in psykhanium with creature spawner and see urself if it’s good at boss damage

[wet ether]

Ok so rashad I guess it is than

[hearty panther]

burgle is a poor test also

[slim terrace]

im only lvl 19, lol

[wet ether]

But fuck I love my chainsword

The rev of that engine

[tall torrent]

Yea, what’s lvl got to do with mods

[hearty panther]

weakspot in the back takes so much ranged damage and it already has reduced hp

[hollow ibex]

could use a chain axe

[hearty panther]

or was cspawn the lowest now?

[slim terrace]

i was meaning my build isnt done yet

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn is lowest

[hearty panther]

says 47.5k for cspawn on wartide

ye

[wet ether]

Fellas give me something to work with that better than the chainsword

[hearty panther]

i guess its a question of the damage mods on body parts tho

[tall torrent]

Plague ogryn 60k
Daemonhost 40k
BoN 52.5k
Chaos spawn 47.5k

[hearty panther]

if you hit pimple bon is squish as fuck

[wet ether]

Actually how good is the chain axe

[hearty panther]

very good

[tall torrent]

I’m not sure which part u care about more, “chain” or “sword”

[wet ether]

Chain

[slim terrace]

so dueling sword?

[tall torrent]

If u care about the “chain” part more, chainaxe (actually kills elites)

[hollow ibex]

yeah chain axe is fun (except fighting hordes)

[tall torrent]

What exactly do u need out of ur melee weapon

[hearty panther]

and it has super good block efficiency

chaxe12 mulches ragers

[wet ether]

How good is the chain axe against hordes?

[hearty panther]

good time

[tall torrent]

U can cope
It’s better than duelling sword tho

[hearty panther]

horde speed is fine, control is good so long as you have attack speed

[slim terrace]

quick kills and can help with a sticky situation

[tall torrent]

Quick kills on what

What exactly is a “sticky situation”

[slim terrace]

generally everything. i gen swarmed a bunch

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[tall torrent]

Rashad

[slim terrace]

whats that on, chainsword?

[wet ether]

So is the chain axe a good alrounder?

[clear lantern]

depends on which chainaxe; one has a better cleaving attack pattern than the other -- one staggers better than the other

[tall torrent]

Combat axe III

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=yjGdJbQGRHXhCZPp

[slim terrace]

that works

60 mobility, i assume?

and yeah, thats exactly what i mean by a sticky situation, but more dudes

[tall torrent]

60 mobility, 80 everything
Carapace + unarmored/elite
brutal momentum + headtaker

[wet ether]

Well I love being in the thick of a horde so cleave would be nice

[slim terrace]

thank you

[tall torrent]

They’re about the same, both variants’ sweeping strikes can only damage 4 enemies at a time

[tall torrent]

Seek my guide for more details

It has everything u need to know about veteran

[wet ether]

Honestly my chainsword allows me to carve through pox and groaners which I love

[slim terrace]

and if plasma isnt great for bosses, whats better?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=6723c2df&is=6722715f&hm=5063c7a1abb8484a41f85d2cf45b758c37f19e980933628afa62ace7ad2a28c6&

[slim terrace]

visual bug with 59% mobility, hell yeah

[slim terrace]

spearhead?

[wet ether]

@tall torrent how good is the chain axe against armor

[tall torrent]

One taps crushers & maulers with blessing stacks up

[wet ether]

consider my curiosity peaked

[slim terrace]

good thing i have spearhead maxed from my zealot. what bellessings and perks?

[wet ether]

Mind if I see some gameplay of it

[tall torrent]

Lemme see if I have a kitted out chainaxe

[wet ether]

Please

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe is better for zealot than veteran tho tbh

[wet ether]

Meh I’ll make it work

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac
Pinning fire + puncture
Make sure u run executioner’s stance with it

[wet ether]

Can’t forget my pleases and thanks

[tall torrent]

@hearty panther do u dump defences or mobility on chainaxe

[wet ether]

Defence I’d assume

Going off what you lot have taught me

[lavish token]

defences

has terrible dodges

[wet ether]

How many dodges does it have

[tall torrent]

4

[wet ether]

I can make use of that

[tall torrent]

Both mk4 and mk12 are ok

Mk4 gives u light spam as an alternative for rev H1 but has no instant stagger option for ragers

Mk12 has a really strong push atk but light attacks feel kinda weak

Also @wet ether mk12’s safest rev attack is rev L1/PA (better individual tick damage than any other option)

At least me personally, I dislike chain weapons that bank almost all of the chain-rip damage on the last tick

[wet ether]

What makes the mk4 rev attack dangerous?

[tall torrent]

Mk4 light attacks have chain-rip

[wet ether]

Do tell me more

What you mean by a chain rip?

[wet ether]

Well hello gorgeous

[tall torrent]

Mk4 is safer for duelling
Mk12 is safer for mixed horde (cuz of its strong PA)

[wet ether]

Mk12 for mixed hordes got it

[tall torrent]

Do be aware that the diagonal sweeping attacks can only damage up to 4 enemies per strike so horde clear is gonna be lacking

You don’t have a “kill ur way out of a horde” tool

[wet ether]

Damn

That shouldn’t be a problem those

[tall torrent]

Yea I don’t like the damage-distribution dropping to 0 after 4th target thing

It is what it is

Another problem is that Chainaxes do like attack speed

It’s just that veteran’s attack speed node pathing is really finesse focused

And Chainaxes have pretty meh finesse

[wet ether]

That shouldn’t be a problem think I’ll take headtaker and slaughter for blessings

[vestal widget]

CQKZ -> Stam regen -> 10% AS doesn't sound too bad for mk4 at least, mk4 likes the stam delay node

[hearty panther]

neither, split

[tall torrent]

It’s alright

[tall torrent]

Damn

I’ll cope with 60 defences then

[hearty panther]

i value mobility way too much to actually dump it

and i do use block eff. on my curios

so i dont strictly have to have 80 defences

wish i could remember what the value defences gave was

but all together it's still very safe

[tall torrent]

1.8 stamina -> 1.4 stamina per push

0.97 -> 0.93 stamina/s during sprint

Block efficiency is affected but isn’t stated in inspect, thanks fatshark

[hearty panther]

yea exhil dug that number up for me a long ass time ago

and well

i dont write things down

[languid scarab]

What is "ranged finesse strength" in the context of Marksman's Focus? Is it damage/cleaver/stagger on crit/weakspot only?

[wet ether]

Ya know what the chain axe does need for its blessings savage sweep

That’s just my opinion

[clear lantern]

I have an easier time with the Mark IV rather than the Mark XII against hordes; I like the Mark XII's power attacks vs. elites/specialists because they stun and stagger.

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t matter that much cuz damage distribution ends after 4th target

[shadow dagger]

is it too copium to napkin math out how many +revive speeds it would take to stick a full revive between sniper shots

[tall torrent]

U could cleave & hit more stuff, they’d just take 0 damage

That’s the problem

[hearty panther]

all three

[shadow dagger]

oh fuck off 😭 yeah nah nvm

that shit is not worth

[narrow frost]

its worth

[shadow dagger]

not for my 3x docket ass

i still have most of the more expensive stuff in the docket cosmetic shop to buy out before i can swap off without feeling too bad

[clear lantern]

botvets should have +20%HP, +Revive, +gunner resist, +sniper resist trinkets x3

[tropic abyss]

a lot of the stuff on the cosmetic shop isn't worth the dockets

[full nacelle]

Hey buddy! Just uploaded my infantry autogun build. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Jk5iG0VPU

[tropic abyss]

unrelated but a lot of the stuff on the premium cosmetic shop also isn't worth whatever the premium currency is called

[slow spade]

Bot vets should have VoC with 3x cooldown curios

Duty and Honor of course

[clear lantern]

I always get weapon cosmetics, especially transformative ones.

[green willow]

how does one use agile engagement with weapon mastery

it's too fast

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[silent cloud]

They just need money from Darktide players to update Vermintide

[tough tiger]

Just shoot melee shoot?

5 second intervals

[tropic abyss]

halloween event when?

[hollow ibex]

sanest vet player

[full nacelle]

they're all my babies and I can't wait to share them with you

[hollow ibex]

nah i do like how vet has so much build variety

i have like 3 builds on psyker that i enjoy running

[silent cloud]

Is there even a halloween event?The event in steam's main page now surely isn't halloween event

[hollow ibex]

there won't be

[full nacelle]

Yeah same. I have like 3 or 4 builds on all the other classes but Vet just does so damn much

[tropic abyss]

nop, we don't get nice things

VT got one, though...

[green willow]

swtiching too fast mean i cannot build up ranged specialist

[silent cloud]

Just wait Darktide 2nd anniversary event

[hollow ibex]

it's the favorite child meme 😭

[idle swallow]

just make everyone wear a jack o lantern head in missions and ill be happy

[tropic abyss]

shouldn't be, 40K is much better than AoS

[hollow ibex]

WH fantasy 🤮

vs. chad 40K

[tropic abyss]

Also, VT's got elves

[hearty panther]

I prefer the fantasy aesthetic

[silent cloud]

Before the September main update,you can tell Fatshark really love Vefmintide 2 better than Darktide

[tropic abyss]

and we still don't have felinid catgirls

[hollow ibex]

i have a grudge against fantasy for fucking over my favorite game series

[hearty panther]

I mean being honest here VT2 is really just VT1 2.0

there were loads of flubs and errors they made in VT1 that VT2 rectified

darktide has had tremendous growth within one title

thank god

[tropic abyss]

you're one of them actual WH fantasy widows who's mad at AoS?

[tropic abyss]

and once they finish fixing it we'll have to buy it again for DT2...

[hollow ibex]

no, i despise WH fantasy in general, i don't even care about AoS

[tropic abyss]

we could at least the skitarii out of it...

[tropic abyss]

then what did it do to you?

I don't know what it killed

besides the original WH fantasy

don't care much for fantasy stuff, 40K is just better

[silent cloud]

[dire olive]

DT2 will be exactly the same except for Hadron having acquired a large pair of front-mounted calcium enrichment vats

[tropic abyss]

all in a futile attempt to win over Kayex

[hollow ibex]

it hijacked the total war games, and historical total war has been on life support for years now

once CA got a bit of that warhammer juice, they couldn't get off

and they just fucked over the historical fanbase chasing that WH money

[slow spade]

Total War Battlefleet

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[tall torrent]

I can tell u for sure that when a total war 40k game drops they’re gonna milk it for at least 5 years

[hollow ibex]

they're making a 40K game now too right?

[tall torrent]

Yea

It’s in development

[hollow ibex]

feels like total war is even less suited to 40K

people really want the warno/steel division devs to make a 40K game, and i hope to dear god it never fucking happens

i strongly prefer my historical RTS games to remain historical

[tropic abyss]

eh

I played total warrior back on the PS2 days

and why do these companies always start with WH fantasy? Is GW more willing to lend away the uglier son or do they really think it's better than 40K?

[hollow ibex]

who knows

[clear lantern]

typically 2.0 is a major revision, so it's not out-of-bounds for a major revision to be known as a sequel.

that's how game dev works a lot, outside of eternal services

major.minor.revision etc.

[silent cloud]

Yes.I think Dawn of War is already good.No need to make it in Total War

[clear lantern]

I mean, 40K games came out first for most genres; Space Hulk was 1993, which predates Blood Bowl; Dawn of War predates Mark of Chaos, etc.
Fantasy has been carried in Total War's license of it, and Fatshark's license of it. You don't see it really expand outside of the core GW merchandise beyond those two major licenses.

Total War has done 18th century with Empire (which frankly had amazing naval combat and should have been in the TWW2) -- but the way the engine utilized units would not be a good fit for Armageddon-style matches in4 0K.

[tropic abyss]

what do you mean GW has other stuff besides 40K and fantasy?

[wild vortex]

Can anyone recommend me the safest melee weapon to use for a Marksman's Focus Exe Stance Vet?

[silent cloud]

Powerword,no doubt

Because you need to deal with hordes

[wild vortex]

Yeah but how do you charge the damn thing when you're surrounded

Push and charge?

[silent cloud]

Yes.It is harder than last version game.Need some tricks now

[slow spade]

Mk6 can animation cancel by blocking

[wild vortex]

I'm not much of a psword user and have very little practice on it

[clear lantern]

yeah. They have an active license on the Hobbit/LOTR.
This isn't inclusive on them having been an active game developer in the ZX Spectrum in the 1980s and having like...been board game creators

[silent cloud]

Once you get used it,it is really powerful

[slow spade]

Literally just charge and block like immediately after

[wild vortex]

Ohhh

[silent cloud]

Or you can use shovel

[slow spade]

It has the benefits of skipping the charge and counting as blocking attacks

[silent cloud]

Or axe

But the best is powersword

[wild vortex]

Yeah I've been using shovel a fair bit, because of its stagger

But I think it has a poor dodge limit?

[inner temple]

I enjoy Warhammer fantasy..

[wild vortex]

I tried Dclaw and didn't like it much, the damage is so dogshit

[silent cloud]

Nah.Its dodge better than Powersword

It is a medieal status

[wild vortex]

May as well stick to shovel then lol

[inner temple]

Heavy light for CC and special for well anything you wanna block/shove lol

The dmg isn't bad for whats available to it tbh

Pluus im mastering all weapons so..

I'm just gonna hate mastering all of ogryns if I crash 60 times doing it.. I crash a lot on ogryn and idk why.

[hollow ibex]

ogryn too heavy

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/polish-cow-cow-dancing-dance-dancing-cow-gif-19109155

[inner temple]

Apparently because its only ogryn

I can have 3 ogryns on my team but if im one of em darktide crashes

[radiant pendant]

lets go!

[full nacelle]

let me know if you got any questions

[verbal burrow]

That'd be the bad guy vets:

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-disappears-bush-hiding-gif-3377649

[verbal burrow]

Whilst we were out arguing over what melee weapon has the fastest rev to swing speed, he was out there taking a shrine world

[full nacelle]

Turning Point fucking KILLS me

[verbal burrow]

One of the best meme templates the internet gifted us

I have no idea about where it originally came from but I don't need to know

God I want to sleep but I keep seeing my zealot's heavy eviscerator slicing through entire hordes, and it is beautiful

mAyBe jUsT oNe gAmE

[tropic abyss]

alright
but 40K is better

[verbal burrow]

Dunno. They did a better job with the Ubersreik V tho

I like the voice lines in Darktide as well but given the variance between them, it's not like the long-established characters

[hollow ibex]

turns out i only have one 21% health curio on my vet. time to camp the armory page again for curios fml. they really should've fixed the curio lottery as well.

[full nacelle]

Yeah honestly I would redownload Vermintide and play just to hang out with the gang again

[verbal burrow]

I still argue that they should have removed the weapon lottery by elevating all stats to 80% the moment a weapon becomes power level 500

[full nacelle]

cept for the elf

[verbal burrow]

Bardin is arguably the best thing to have happened to WH fantasy

[full nacelle]

so god damn true it hurts

I love that little man

[verbal burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh2xhUkId-c

LITTLE?!

[shadow dagger]

did they nerf leave no one behind

i remember this thing looking a little more stacked than it is rn

it was like 30% 30% 50% or something wack

[verbal burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hrQmRRj6o Foot Knight too tho

[inner temple]

I can play with

[radiant pendant]

not a question needed you explained everything really well it looks like a really fun off meta build defiantly going to use it

[inner temple]

Whats meta anyway?

[radiant pendant]

shout and some other stuff

they them self said it was off meta

[full nacelle]

Thanks friend! It is a good time! I find it a lot more engaging than the standard non-deadshot shout build. Hope to be uploading a lot more build vods in the near future!

[radiant pendant]

yea its really good ive actually been wanting a ex stance build but couldnt find something i liked

[full nacelle]

Meta is basically just vraks iag, WS revolver, and plasma gun... and shout... lots and lots of shouting

I feel that! I love exe stance and have several builds all about getting those massive kill feed popoffs

[radiant pendant]

but really you got some talent you explained everything very well and even gave some other options for some differences keep up the good work

[wind spoke]

Man...Gria Autogun (semi-auto one) actually kinda slaps with a crit/marksman build. Was not expecting this.

[full nacelle]

aw thank you really

never done this before so I tried to be thorough without overwhelming

[verbal burrow]

This gun:
https://youtube.com/shorts/mNG5Hrj6UaI?si=HFJAepyPjcCyJPrv

[full nacelle]

glad to hear I hit the mark for ya

[radiant pendant]

hope to see more from you

[radiant pendant]

already subed so i know when its here

[full nacelle]

I've got tons planned for the future

[radiant pendant]

cant wait

[full nacelle]

preciate you!

[radiant pendant]

and you more you truly cooked

[full nacelle]

you're too kind

[wet ether]

thats the thing i like about my chainsword she a 1 trick but she my 1 trick

[radiant pendant]

now that i see it again i do have one question you said that before the vraks was called the columnus but theres another mark that is currently called columnus was there a mistake or is it jsut darktide making weird choices again

[full nacelle]

that's the devs screwing with us... what is now the vraks USED to be the columnus

but they decided to confuse the hell out of everyone

and switch names around

[radiant pendant]

thats what i thought why would they do that

[full nacelle]

your guess is as good as mine haha

[radiant pendant]

i started using the curent columnus not knowing it was really the vraks from somone else telling me about it

[full nacelle]

yep! that's to be expected

cause you see so many things about the columnus being godlike and a ton of people running it

and then they went and bamboozled us

so yeah... it's the vraks now

[radiant pendant]

bet thank you

even without the right blessings and perks the build alone makes it feel really good

and mine is at 48% dmg

[full nacelle]

awesome! yeah it'll only get better when you can put it all together

my next build will be more demanding as far as weapon loadout goes

the zarona shotgun is a tricky one to make work

[radiant pendant]

sounds fun

[full nacelle]

oh yeah very

[radiant pendant]

i got a double barrel build my self and thats already fun bet your will be too

[full nacelle]

you can never go wrong with the boomstick! I got two different ones for the DB

one is a mostly melee weapons specialist build

[radiant pendant]

same

[full nacelle]

the other is a pure shotgun both barrels boomstick build

[radiant pendant]

nice the only thing i want for the db is more reload speed i want to flick that like the doom slayer

[full nacelle]

yeah I feel that... always prepared is nice but I like being able to run around blasting heretics back to back

my second build is the closest way to make a build like that that doesn't suck

that I've found anyway

[radiant pendant]

FS should buff both berrels to 200% from 70% it would be really funny

[full nacelle]

in a perfect world

I'm still waiting on them to make the combat shotguns feel like shotguns

[wind spoke]

I was surprised by how "not bad" i found them when maxing that mastery. Not great, but not as bad as I thought.

[radiant pendant]

yea it would be nice if they got some buffs to fell more competitive with some of the stronger guns

[full nacelle]

I just want the primary fires to feel like they do something... like why are they better as an ADS special sniper than a shotgun?

[radiant pendant]

yea

[full nacelle]

that's why I like the zarona because you can actually build it to be a good shotgun

[radiant pendant]

havent used combat sg much so it will be nice to see that

[full nacelle]

Yeah I don't think most people give the Zarona/Lawbringer a second thought so I'm hoping to spread the love

[radiant pendant]

hell yea

[wet ether]

@tall torrent bud you didn't do the chain axe enough justice

[tall torrent]

Lemme show u smth

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1301063907762503721/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.30_-_02.02.20.08.mp4?ex=67231db0&is=6721cc30&hm=abcbacf07247c79871f978c1402eedcf2d96bffa73bff09674d4103642c25911&

[solemn niche]

bouncy beast lol

it looks happy and bouncy :3

[hearty panther]

oh yea

i always forget about that extra 5% crit

[hollow ibex]

do you ever get the feeling that you're fourth wheeling?

[full nacelle]

[tall torrent]

Ofc ur veteran just gotta be called that

[full nacelle]

ohhh thats the good stuff right there

[hollow ibex]

did you just notice?

[tall torrent]

I did a long time ago

[hollow ibex]

oh ok, well in japanese it means "strength and bravery"

that's what my friend told me

[tall torrent]

I can read

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smi-gif-20564661

[wet ether]

@tall torrent seriously my man you didn't do the chain axe enough justice i'm still able to brute force my way through hordes

[tall torrent]

I mean, it’s not particularly good at going through bruiser hordes which are weighted higher for “horde clear” rating in my guide

It’s just acceptable most of the time

[wet ether]

Bruiser?

[hearty panther]

bucketheads

[full nacelle]

da beeg bois

[hearty panther]

well

[tall torrent]

Black armored guy without helmet
Naked guy with flak helmet

[wet ether]

Ohhhhh fucking crushers

[hearty panther]

slightly bigger boys

[full nacelle]

smaller than crushers

but yes

those dudes

[wet ether]

Rager?

[tall torrent]

No

In meat grinder

[tall torrent]

To the right of groaners

[wet ether]

Ohhh those fuckers

I was still able to tear through them

[radiant pendant]

i just walked in to brunts and found a perfect stated inf AG siting there

at least i dont need to spin the rng wheel

[wet ether]

this is my chain axe

[slim terrace]

how do you get sainted?

[wet ether]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/380

[slim terrace]

oh

so it means nothing.

[hollow ibex]

just looks cool

[tawny timber]

backshots

[full nacelle]

my issue with the chainaxe is that its unique blessings aren't nearly as good as they should be

I want a reason to run it over the good standard stuff

I don't just want "+damage when you kill stuff" to be the best way to play it

I want to lean into the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[viral nacelle]

This is exactly the issue

Chainaxe should be about satisfying our urge to saw things the f up

And the special blessings should be part of that

But instead they are lame and bad

I don’t want to make someone bleed when I hit them with chainaxe special, I want them to fucking die on impact

Ideally with a limb shooting off

[sullen schooner]

Chainaxe def needs a buff of some sort,

Although

I'd like to see the Catachan sword's parry get a like, .2-.5 second invuln on successful parry

[inner temple]

Yup just looks cool and honestly I would love it if only for the red and name

[sullen schooner]

And I'd like to see more weapons get a parry special acctivation

[inner temple]

Yeh

[radiant pendant]

just did a heresy with the build it was some of the most fun ive had on vet

[full nacelle]

I'm so glad to hear that man!

I posted it to reddit and got my first contrarian

trying to tell me the build doesn't work

and that it's generic

but also that I shouldn't take all of these weird quirky nodes on it

[radiant pendant]

wow

only thing i did diferent from your was take off bring it down for demo team

very fun and cant see how its generic when theres no shout

[full nacelle]

Yep totally fine! Tweak to your hearts content

[radiant pendant]

yea only took it off cause im comfy dealing with them without it

[full nacelle]

he said it's generic because I took the good vet nodes... but also bad because some of the nodes aren't typically stuff you'd see on a vraks build

so... it's generic but also way too quirky

[inner temple]

Haha

[radiant pendant]

what does that even mean

wow who would of thought the good nodes are good

[full nacelle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1gg3ony/just_uploaded_my_first_build_video/

Yeah I dunno you can see for yourself if you check the comments

I addressed literally everything he talked about in the video

[inner temple]

Think my last mission was my psyker match and I was using my scriers build. Kept my 15 stacks the entire match

[full nacelle]

so I don't think he actually watched it

I think he just went to the link and wanted to complain

[radiant pendant]

clearly didnt listen and jsut wanted a fight

[full nacelle]

Yeah I dunno. Ya can't fix stupid.

[radiant pendant]

classic reddit

[full nacelle]

it's one thing to say "this isn't optimal" and "I disagree with taking x, y, z"

but every thing he said

I covered already

[radiant pendant]

like of course its not optimal not like your making a meta build

[full nacelle]

"Your build is too generic. Why are you taking Stripped Down and Deadshot on a Vraks build? Nobody does that. Also this build should run grenade regen talents like every other Vet build."

Ogryn brain

[inner temple]

Exactly

[inner temple]

I only take nade regen because I like spamming smokes

[radiant pendant]

na even ogryns are smarter

[full nacelle]

grenades regen is super fun on a ton of builds

but sometimes I don't need em as a constant part of my playstyle

sometimes I just want to shoot stuff

[radiant pendant]

yea i got them for clearing way too help others (or when im getting railed)

[inner temple]

This is true. Vets can use guns more over nades and its very viable. I dunno what that guy was about. Its a viable meme

[full nacelle]

Eh I knew it would be coming... You do something a little different and someone out there will go "UMMM AKTUALLY you should run plasma and shout"

and then also say that you're generic at the same time

[radiant pendant]

i stand by the fact i will never use plama or knifes

[full nacelle]

I'm really not a fan of the plasma... I run it on one build and it's a melee build

I maybe use it 10 times a mission

[austere mica]

Knives are at least fun

Plasma is eepy

[inner temple]

Thats actually legit a thing? Now I don't wanna run plasma and switch my build up abit.. I usually dislike running meta stuff so like yeh.

[radiant pendant]

i just dont like short knife range

ill prob use them for the penance tho

[inner temple]

I use shout to help myself and mates and just use plasma for elite and special dmg.

Its fun to use plasma but I'm not gonna run it on shout now probably. Thats fine I have marksman build it can go in.

[tall torrent]

I enjoy clicking heads with plasma

[austere mica]

If I want to play a point and click I would try monkey island

[radiant pendant]

point and click adventure

[radiant pendant]

same idea

[tall torrent]

It’s fun

[radiant pendant]

im sure it is

alright im going to sleep now

[inner temple]

I just like charging it then dealing dmg and hoping I don't blow up

[full nacelle]

Oh yeah Shout + Plasma is THE meta build I'm sorry to say

[inner temple]

Dang what sucks is I enjoyed it with power sword.

[full nacelle]

I have a Shout + Plasma build but it is a melee build focused on horde clearing and toughness regen for the team

still "meta" but with a twist like my vraks build

[full nacelle]

What's wrong with that? Power sword can be fun!

[tall torrent]

It’s one of them

[inner temple]

Basically what mine is lol I have more regen and everything. What I regen they get etc its great

[full nacelle]

Yep! Born Leader build. Good choice.

[full nacelle]

Definitely think it's the one I've seen the most... Up there with most revolver WS builds

[inner temple]

Yeah keeps the team alive and lets zealot really go in and keep toughness almost 100% of the time.

Unless they're just bad

[tall torrent]

It’s strong generalist

But there’re builds that do specific things better

[full nacelle]

Yeah I know with my shout born leader build I was usually watching tv or a movie on the side while grinding money in aurics... stupid strong at carrying teams

[full nacelle]

Very true! I prefer specialized builds. I've joined lobbies where it's me and three plasma vets.

[austere mica]

One of the best feelings in this game is outdoing a PS plasma shout vet

[full nacelle]

so true Carpets

[tall torrent]

With a Rashad plasma VoC build

[inner temple]

Thank F im not running a full meta as vet.. I actually hate meta stuff

[tall torrent]

Gotta establish that Rashad superiority

[austere mica]

Tac axe better

[tall torrent]

I wish

[inner temple]

Yes broo the mobility and pen is amazing I love it

Plus can still handle a horde so it works well

[tall torrent]

Why does a slightly smaller axe do a third of the single target dps of the slightly bigger axe

Makes no sense

[austere mica]

The Rashad is a power axe

[full nacelle]

I honestly don't even know if I'll post my plasma shout vet build... Maybe just to give people an option to grind with while they sleep

with some mario 64 piranha plant lullaby music

[inner temple]

Haha

[wild vortex]

I'm so Rashad-pilled now that I hate using any other melee on Vet

[full nacelle]

I feel that

duelling sword is fun

[wild vortex]

I am just learning duelling sword as I level Psyker

Is nice

Not AS nice as Rashad, but good

My list of fun runt weapons is really short: Rashad, Indignatus Crusher, Evis, and now I guess Duelling Sword

[full nacelle]

Knives can be fun

but yeah... definitely not as much variety in melee weapons as there are ranged

[wild vortex]

I want to learn the Knife

But

[austere mica]

Knife is just

Be aggressive

[wild vortex]

When I read that horde clear combo it makes me want to uninstall

[wild vortex]

I'm always aggressive, often to my detriment

[austere mica]

Oh it’s just h1 h2 bc

[radiant pendant]

Actually I just remembered a question I'm pretty sure the talent said on weak point kill 10% stamina and didn't say ranged wp kill so does melee effect it?

[oblique sparrow]

What are the ideal breakpoints for the Spearhead bolt gun?

[full nacelle]

don't sweat the horde clear combo

you can just spam heavies

and run around like a psychopath

it's a good time

[oblique sparrow]

Maelstorm

[wild vortex]

I will try it tomorrow

I have a stealth setup but I just kinda never got around to playing it

[full nacelle]

knife on full movement speed zealot is a trip

always a good time

[wild vortex]

Recently I've been using Exe Stance Marksman's Focus with Bistol and enjoying it, even though I die occasionally

[full nacelle]

you running lethal proximity with grenades?

that's a ton of fun

[wild vortex]

Uh no

I am using Surgical + Deadly Accurate

[radiant pendant]

Talking about tunnel vision I mean

[full nacelle]

you should give it a shot sometime! lethal proximity works on grenades

very goofy with a grenadier build

[wild vortex]

That's so funny

Gun talent working on grenades

[full nacelle]

gotta love big booms

[oblique sparrow]

What’s the best grenade for a grenadier?

[full nacelle]

frags

kraks are too situational and smokes... well that's for only if you really hate gunners

honestly smoke grenadier is better than kraks but you have to know how to actually use them properly

[oblique sparrow]

I’ve never used them

[full nacelle]

they have a learning curve for sure

[oblique sparrow]

Do they kinda function like the Psyker’s shield utility-wise?

[full nacelle]

but they're pretty good

kind of

if you place them at your feet

or

you can place them over the enemy

and make them come to you without blinding yourself

of place them between you and the enemy

as a wall

so honestly, it's like a psyker dome you'd rather put away from your team

[oblique sparrow]

Ah that makes sense, thanks

Vet is honestly my favorite class

I haven’t played around with Psyker that much, but out of the other two it’s definitely my favorite

[wild vortex]

Vet is definitely the most fun runt

I feel like Shouty has less variety in terms of what it can do

And Psyker.. I'm still levelling it, it feels like it's made of paper maché

[tall torrent]

No

This is wrong

[radiant pendant]

There's a build with the inferno staff that makes them alot better

[austere mica]

Psyker is the sharpest piece of glass your enemies will ever hold

[tall torrent]

This is not true

[hollow ibex]

tbf psyker's theoretical survivability is shit, but on most builds, you're still surprisingly durable

because you're not as reliant on your hp/tough to stay alive

[radiant pendant]

I made one myself but ryken made a good video about the idea

[full nacelle]

care to explain?

[tall torrent]

Read the smoke section in my guide

It does not do what u think it does

It does more

[austere mica]

Smokes are a cocktail of spaghetti code

Simply because they effect ai

[full nacelle]

true I've been a told a million different things

[tall torrent]

Smokes are really funnily strong when u know how they work

[oblique sparrow]

Ogryn really needs a lot more weapons

[radiant pendant]

I think they mean more on the skill tree side but still true

[full nacelle]

oh wait so enemies IN the smoke can see you? that's very counterintuitive

[oblique sparrow]

Yeah they need just a lot more

I love them, I love playing as them, if they are a bit of a one trick pony

[full nacelle]

so only place them at your feet or between you and the enemy

[radiant pendant]

What the fuck?

Why not make it so they only see you when both you and them are in it

[full nacelle]

that's what I assumed... I thought it was a total LoS block

[radiant pendant]

Same

In fact that's what it should be

[tall torrent]

If you’re inside smoke, flamers cannot flame attack u

They literally run in circles around the smoke trying to find u

All that matters about smoke is “you being inside smoke”

[radiant pendant]

Wow smokes are broken

[stoic thorn]

Kayex calling us "Free-range pre servitors" in the phage tree mission was funny as fuck

[tall torrent]

The visual cloud is irrelevant for enemies’ “line of sight”

[full nacelle]

see I got that part but I always assumed that smoking on top of the enemy would blind them... like a smoke grenade

but no, only if they're outside of it

weird

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s more like a ninja smoke bomb

U drop it at where u want to be

[stoic thorn]

And his one voiceline of "My old age has made me very forgetful... and made me forgetful"

[full nacelle]

gotcha... I guess it makes more sense when you think about it that way

what a confusing design

still good though

[tall torrent]

I think it could still be better

[radiant pendant]

Yea

[tall torrent]

If it stopped bombers from throwing grenades at u if you’re inside smoke

Instant peak

[full nacelle]

yeah that'd be cool

[tall torrent]

I’d actually run that on a bunch of builds

[full nacelle]

or even something more tangible like giving allies in the smoke toughness or toughness damage resist

to incentivize how it's supposed to be used

[radiant pendant]

Yea cause without that you wouldn't really think to do that

[tall torrent]

I think what it rly needs is blocking bombers

It not blocking mutants is fine

It not blocking trappers is fine (cuz they still have to get much closer)

[radiant pendant]

Mutys are light work anyway

[tall torrent]

But you can casually get fucked over by Tox bombers across the room even when ur inside smoke

[full nacelle]

yeah it's the specials that screw with your positioning while fighting the horde that really get ya

[tall torrent]

That’s a bit weird to me

[full nacelle]

very weird

kind of like how it used to be with snipers

hope they'll add that

wait so you really don't want smoke grenades paired with lethal proximity then

or I guess sometimes you would just depending

gives you more room to move around without being targeted

the fact that I'm trying to test this and one random gunner is shooting me no problem while every other dude is staring at a wall

smokes man

what a mystery

[wild vortex]

Honestly it doesn't, it just needs buffs / reworks to the powercrept ones

[radiant pendant]

True

[wild vortex]

E.g. all the shovels, all clubs except 3b, all knives except mk4

[radiant pendant]

But there is one thing they need

[full nacelle]

another rock?

[radiant pendant]

Give ogryns a big ass two handed sword

[radiant pendant]

That works too

[wild vortex]

Pickaxes

[radiant pendant]

Yes but more cleave

[wild vortex]

The box of bombs blitz needs an enormous buff

It literally does 0 damage

[radiant pendant]

So true

[wild vortex]

I feel like you've not used a Karsolas with Wrath

[austere mica]

GW hates fun

[radiant pendant]

No but then again a sword would just be cool we can figure out what it does later

Also maybe a SM size bolt gun

[wild vortex]

Wrathsolas basically does not stop until it's gone in from one end of the horde and out through the other

[radiant pendant]

Or hits a fat boy I'm guessing

[wild vortex]

Yeah ofc that's a property of Carapace

But yeah you can cleave through Maulers as long as you don't hit them on the head

And you can 1-2 shot Crushers depending on situation / talents

[radiant pendant]

Might try it out with wrath see how it is

[oblique sparrow]

So a Heavy Bolter?

[austere mica]

No

[tall torrent]

No, u take lethal prox only for frag

[austere mica]

Those are wholly separate

[oblique sparrow]

Also a Melta and a las cannon would be cool

[radiant pendant]

That would be fun too but not what I mean

[wild vortex]

Ogryns are missing a gun that charges and fires

[radiant pendant]

Ngl melta would be op

[wild vortex]

Every other class has something like that

[austere mica]

Lascannon would make sense and be ok from a GW perspective, as it’s an equipment option for ogryns in the TTRPG’s that feature them

[tall torrent]

Nah, don’t think they’ll do bolt weapons for ogryn

I’m hoping for more tank weaponry tho

Heavy flamer
Las-cannon

Stuff like that

[radiant pendant]

I would be fine with that

[austere mica]

Flamer would probably be a no from on high

Too dangerous to hand to them

[tall torrent]

Las cannon is very probable tho

[austere mica]

I want

Slow ass precision weapon

Closest we get to an anti tank gun

And the longlas copers get something

[radiant pendant]

Give them an AMR just take the scope off and put on a drum mag

[tall torrent]

They already wrote longlas in one of their stories

It’s gonna be coming eventually

Hotshot lasguns however
Doubt

[austere mica]

(This is an Autocannon, they are described to have these)

[austere mica]

Long las would be weird gameplay wise

[tall torrent]

Autocannon & lascannon are much more probable for ogryn

[austere mica]

Would fill a similar niche to plasma

[radiant pendant]

Well idk much about the're weapons

[tall torrent]

V.auto level zoom
High finesse, high innate crit chance
Very low ammo capacity
Moderate cleave (5?)

[austere mica]

I would hate a zoomed weapon

[tall torrent]

V.auto III & VII already have high zoom

They just don’t use scopes

[austere mica]

Like, higher than normal and vision occluding

[tall torrent]

Could be one of those CQB DMR sights

[radiant pendant]

Somehow we turned vet chat to ogryn chat

[austere mica]

Perhaps

[full nacelle]

like an actual sniper scope? I can only imagine the amount of "garbage team never protects me" that would come from that

[austere mica]

But I can definitely agree on hotshots never existing

[inland orchid]

Talking bout big guns usually involves the big guys

[austere mica]

Would require a backpack which conflicts with back cosmetics

[tall torrent]

You’re assuming they could kill things even if they got protected

[full nacelle]

damn right 💪

[full nacelle]

I'm assuming a crapload of bad players with sniper fantasies and huge egos would ruin my lobbies

[tall torrent]

Maybe they’ll work smth out

I doubt it tho

But like

We already have tempestus scion stuff in game

And hotshot lasgun is like the definitive tempestus scion/grenadier weapon

[austere mica]

Oh right

Grenade launcher

That’s a thing standard guard can have

Easy variants too

[tall torrent]

Would be fun

[austere mica]

Weapon spec Gl

Death

[oblique sparrow]

What about a Plasma pistol?

[full nacelle]

honestly I'm fine with vet not getting any guns for a long time if they wanted to focus on the other classes... plasma pistol/grenade launcher would be cool though

[austere mica]

Those are ironically more expensive than a standard plasma

[tall torrent]

Possible but would most prob just be a worse plasma gun

[full nacelle]

it feels silly that we don't have anymore psyker staffs

[austere mica]

Beam and bolt cannot come sooner

[full nacelle]

beam psyker would be siiiick

[austere mica]

Beam is just a shotgun is in disguise

With a fucking insane boss dps capability but still

Basically just a shotgun

[stoic thorn]

Wheres my kasrkin armour

[austere mica]

Files

Go dig it out

[tall torrent]

Released, out of rotation

It’s also super buggy

[stoic thorn]

When do shop armours come back

How long does it usually take

[radiant pendant]

When the emperor wills it

[tall torrent]

I just use this now

[full nacelle]

@tall torrent Wise one, I come seeking knowledge. Do you know if Rending Strikes helps pass any armor breakpoints on the Zarona shotgun?

[tall torrent]

No, don’t take if it doesn’t benefit ur melee

[full nacelle]

perfect, thank you!

[radiant pendant]

+1 skill point to use

[full nacelle]

now I can put it towards Shock Trooper

bless 🙏

holy shit laser shotgun would be sick

[austere mica]

Those exist but mechanicus hates them

[radiant pendant]

Why?

[full nacelle]

lame

[radiant pendant]

Aren't they holy?

[wet ether]

ok so i like the chain axe but it lacks what meh chain sword has

[austere mica]

It’s a custom mod or just very hacky/ unsafe or something

[radiant pendant]

Oh so very unholy

[austere mica]

Idk I might just be gaslighting myself

[full nacelle]

it's ok Carpets, we can dream

[wet ether]

like i'm able to brute force my way through hordes with the chain axe but it does seem to struggle

[full nacelle]

chain axe sadly is one of many melee weapons where it's like "run it if you like the flavor"

[radiant chasm]

Cause it’s a single target weapon first

It is in the bottom 75% of horde clear speeds compared to chsword being one of the best horde clearers

But what chaxe has is that it isn’t bothered by the addition of bruisers unlike chsword

Especially with ht slaught boosting your power

[wet ether]

ugh thats why i love meh chainsword

in all seriousness fat shark needs to buff the chainsword

to be able to deal with bruisers

[radiant chasm]

It’s in a bit of a hard spot because of it’s unique feature

It absolutely wrecks chaff and is versatile enough with the rev to do some stuff dclaw and heavy sword would struggle with

But it’s crit cleave interaction might be holding it back, just in case someone doesn’t know

Chsword bonus damage from crit doesn’t fall off as it cleaves

[wet ether]

well back to my chainsword

she truly is my old reliable

[severe gale]

no no it does not need to be buffed at all

[tall torrent]

Nah I think they need to first make it be able to fight ragers

[lavish token]

Azure you hot mic in game

[oblique sparrow]

I’m running the Orestes rn on auric maelstorm, it’s pretty good

Although with my build I probably should switch to the power sword or chain sword

Because most of my elite killing is done by my bolter

[slim terrace]

anyone have a good crowd control, high dmg, build that works with combat axe and plasma gun?

shred nades, fire team, yell, focus target. i just dont know what nodes to get

[sinful jacinth]

Yes, let the team handle it.. :p You just do the pew pew.

[wet ether]

sometimes why

[slim terrace]

hows this look for rn, only lvl 21.

[narrow frost]

Field improv for 60 second grenades

[wet ether]

bro it needs to be able to cleave through bruisers thats all i'm asking

[slim terrace]

Survivalist doesnt give as much ammo as i want it too with plas or boltgun. kinda would perfer extra dmg

[spring cliff]

I will take that
Thank you

[slim terrace]

hows this?

[tall torrent]

Those 2 guns actually care about survivalist ammo gains

[tall torrent]

Don’t

Why do u refuse to take grenade regen

[dry cloak]

Shout small pp

[earnest bone]

[narrow frost]

Thought process behind rending strike?

[tall torrent]

It boosts my damage just enough to get Rashad 3HS crusher & mauler

[narrow frost]

Okay

Light or heavy?

[tall torrent]

And 2HS them (1 crit)

Heavy

[narrow frost]

With focus?

[tall torrent]

Focus tag 2 stack (minimum refresh)
Redirect fire 5 stack

[wet ether]

oi get out of this vet chat ainz and go back to VC where you belong

[earnest bone]

but last time you used carapace + elites for a rashad 3shot on crusher

[narrow frost]

Okay

[earnest bone]

changed your mind?

[tall torrent]

I run carapace + unarmored now

Unarmored is pretty nice QoL

[dry cloak]

Crushers get krak treatment from me

[earnest bone]

• cant run kraks when i run frags
  - Unknown poet, Y2134

[tall torrent]

It does tho
Unless u built it wrong

[slim terrace]

?

[tall torrent]

13g is prob best with wrath + shred

[tall torrent]

Just take my build and run it…

I don’t know why you need volley adept

Or competitive urge

Or 8 stacks

[earnest bone]

wrath+rampage rocks hard too, anyway, the only targets that is atrocious to hit are unyelding enemies and crushers

[wet ether]

hold on boss i'll get my chainsword real quick

[earnest bone]

rev heavy is kinda weak, im not sure if its possible for bulwark BP heavy oneshot, been awhile

[slim terrace]

alright, fine

[tall torrent]

It can if u stick it through

[wet ether]

built wrong?

[slim terrace]

theres other perks like longshot id rather have tho, honestly. i want to squeeze all the dmg i can out of it

[tall torrent]

But in practice you might need to dodge cancel

[tall torrent]

You don’t need Longshot ever

[tall torrent]

Yes, get wrath + shred

Savage sweep is not good for 13g

Light atks don’t have enough cleave to activate it on bruisers

You’re better off with wrath

Shred scales with chainswords’ crit nicely

[earnest bone]

forever winter 2gb update fml

[tall torrent]

You’re looking at 2 highly breakpoint-reliant weapons, and I mean no offense but I don’t think you know their breakpoints enough to go for random builds

You can check out my pinned guide in here, it has pretty much everything u need to know about veteran @slim terrace

[wet ether]

you sure boss?

trusting you here

[tall torrent]

Yea

U could run wrath + rampage too

But rampage only gets activated for bruisers with wrath stacks up

I’m lazier so I’d go for wrath + shred

[wet ether]

ok wrath and shred it is

i'll trust ya boss

[grand perch]

I keep getting smykers every single match, sometimes two. Normally I wouldn't mind too much but I just want to play with parry swords a lot right now. Someone send a psyker handler or something

[glacial yacht]

is the red sainted items a mod?

[sacred sparrow]

which chain axe is better for horde clear?

[earnest bone]

mk4 with heavy attacks and headtaker/slaughterer do a decent job and it's a better generalist than 12 in my opinion

cuz lights attacks on bosses are pretty strong

well, any single target

with new system you can create both and choose

mk4 clear hordes with heavy

mk12 with lights

they have reverse-swapped moveset

i also love the impact feeling of mk4

you really feel that SMACK! when you hit them with heavy attacks

[wet ether]

yes

@tall torrent she works like a charm

[tall torrent]

[stoic thorn]

Which chainsword mk is better for horde clearing

[tall torrent]

roughly equal

13g can be slightly better in some cases

But it’s worse for elite

[stoic thorn]

I can handle the elites

[placid portal]

Playing darktide without hit markers feel off

[tropic notch]

got this while playing my vet

[woven coral]

is the recon lasgun the best one to use for killshot ready penance?

[placid portal]

Any gun you are comfortable with seems to do work

[woven coral]

I'm comfortable with every gun at 800h, I'm asking the meta gun to do it the fastest with

[slim terrace]

best combat knife perks?

[fast sundial]

best gun for this is probably power sword or rashad

[woven coral]

ah so the crab walk then

alright thanks

[fast sundial]

it's silly but doable

shrimply set crouch to toggle and you can still comfortably dodge

[wet ether]

loner needs to be removed or at least reworked

i mean catch a breath is just a far better version also pretty sure i've said this before

[fast sundial]

Yes

[analog yacht]

unfortunately zealot has like 1.5 aura options

[earnest bone]

[analog yacht]

0.5 is stretching it for the corruption aura tbh

how often are you actually doing grims

it's more like 1.1 auras

[earnest bone]

it's funny for pox gas missions

so 1.2

doubt they'l change them tho, at least Loner change would be nice if they want corrupt aura to have unique (yet kinda useless) feel

after playing veteran for around 300+ hours Zealot talent tree is just garbage

considering how fun Vet tree is and you could build A LOT of cool stuff and mix'n'match

zealot tree don't have even 25% of that

there's good talents and garbage talents

and garbage pathing

you pick good and avoid garbage

there's pretty much only 2 choices there

either go for fire nades or thr.knives and to pick TWBS or not

at least purple nodes for Zealot are a bit better than for Vet

[woven coral]

fire nades are pretty bad though

knives are the uncontested best and even more so because of their pathing, and stuns have way more utility but the pathing is bad

[earnest bone]

they are still million times better than stun grenades and they are bad on lower difficulties

when its 200 mobs per square meter

[woven coral]

?

[earnest bone]

they do the job

[woven coral]

how are they better than stuns

200 poxwalkers are the least of your worries in auric though

[earnest bone]

in situations where you fight all of these things at once, you can throw a nade and focus on the boss and crushers

[woven coral]

fire nades do nothing to armor, and horde clear is the easiest part of high difficulty

[earnest bone]

while bulwarks and less will die from the nade

[odd sparrow]

Stun grenades provide free revives which is amazing

[soft island]

I like fire nades a lot more than stun nades.

I feel like it's very hard for 'momentary stun you can get from a number of sources' to contest with 'free clearing damage while you can do other stuff'. The only competitor for that kind of clearing ability that wipes away everything in a mixed horde outside of crushers on Zealot is the flamer, but that requires you do nothing else while using it whereas you can wipe the crushers while the grenade handles other things.

[earnest bone]

Only if there's melee enemies, if there's 30 gunners shooting there then its smoke grenades time

and fire grenades and stealth can both help with revives

[earnest bone]

You got that right, if you aren't using flamer, fire grenades is a good option for Auric+ if you want to have that free clear while doing bosses/crushers/ w/e

best paired with IJ setups as like that you have more points

[keen elk]

Anyone got any tips for grinding out the penance for Marksman Focus kills?

[analog yacht]

wait for them to make marksman's focus good

idk I guess if you really want to grind it you could put on a super ammo efficent gun and just shoot hordes all day

[placid portal]

Impossible, FS is about to begin autumn mandatory vaccation

[keen elk]

It's the last penance I need to be 'finished' with Vet

[analog yacht]

game devs having vacations is good actually

[placid portal]

True I just mean they go silent for a whole season and come cookin

[viral nacelle]

Recon las shock trooper with voc

Aim for heads

[placid portal]

Graia Columnus autogun and aim headheight

[viral nacelle]

And take the one that gives you free MF for standing still

[analog yacht]

the blue recon las that has silly amounts of ammo is probably the move

though maybe the move is that autogun that cleaves hordes

i think the green one?