veteran-class

[deft crystal]

GIV

[pseudo fiber]

every day I wish for them to add this

[deft crystal]

ME WANT

[tall torrent]

It needs gloves

If they release it without gloves I’m not buying

[deft crystal]

^^

Any armor w no gloves

means no buy

[pseudo fiber]

I also hope it's blue

[sacred spindle]

where hellgun

[tall torrent]

Not sure

Because there’re a lot of different scion colors

[pseudo fiber]

I like light blue scions they look really cool imho

[tall torrent]

The classic is yellow & blue

But the scion helmet we have in the game is Cadian green

[sacred spindle]

"classic"

[tall torrent]

I mean, yea normally if u think tempestus scion they’re blue & yellow

But there’re a bunch of variations

[sacred spindle]

I mean the image is greyscale but the 5th ed storm troopers were mid-2000s FPS brown/grey

but honestly I think that's a better visual than the 7th ed models

with the blue/yellow armour

they're not budget space marines, they're special forces

plate armour is impractical for a reason

space marines get to ignore that

guard don't

[unreal bone]

fuck do you mean new game this is like the third time they've been in the shop

[sacred spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling-old-man-news-the-simpsons-gif-5498361754025948763

[unreal bone]

LOL

[tall torrent]

I see mostly yellow & blue so that’s what I’d assume

[sacred spindle]

I see things

I see them with my eyes

[tall torrent]

Mainly blue tho

[pseudo fiber]

what is the dropped the scions with a beret

[tall torrent]

Idc what color they do as long as they have a full scion set that matches color with itself, doesn’t have clipping/rendering problems and the chestpiece has gloves

[sacred spindle]

Anyway, messing around in meat grinder knife/shotgun still doesn't have the same "remove armoured bad man" factor psword does

[tall torrent]

What did u put on ur knife

[sacred spindle]

It's a melk special 'cos I can't put anything on it yet

although rank 4 sprint eff / unarmoured can probably get in the sea

but it seems so much more positional

[junior hawk]

guys which mk of power sword do you use?

which is better for hordes

[tall torrent]

6 is better

[sacred spindle]

I use 3 but I rolled it pre-update and I'm used to the moveset

[broken spade]

it doesn't really take that much to get used to the 6 imo

and the funny crusher 2 shot is worth it

[sacred spindle]

I'll give it a go when I go back to a primarily ranged build

"it's the one with power cycler" not being the strong argument it once was

[broken spade]

crazy how the power sword basically has a mandatory blessing to function

[sacred spindle]

it's almost like there's a reason I didn't play for 6 months

[analog yacht]

in beta it just had multiple swings

extremely odd that they changed it tbh

[broken spade]

i remember the 7 swing power sword

i also remember the game getting reviewbombed when they nerfed it

[analog yacht]

gamers are children lmao

[broken spade]

it was so dumb

and this was back when the vet was very clearly the best class in the game

[analog yacht]

iceborne and shadow of the erdtree also getting review bombed for being hard

[broken spade]

iceborne mostly got shit for clutch claw i thought

[analog yacht]

nah when they added the final 2 monsters to the game it got review bombed for too hard

[broken spade]

radahn genuinely had buggy hitboxes but most of the people complaining weren't even at that point lmao

[broken spade]

oh right, alatreon

escaton moment

[analog yacht]

i think the funniest part of the sote review bombing is that the game straight up has solutions to the things the gamers were complaining about but they wouldn't use them bc of ego

[broken spade]

i didn't check reviews at that time but i can imagine

[analog yacht]

refuse to use consumables, magic, or spirit ashes
complain that the game is too hard
skill issue tbh

[broken spade]

my lukewarm take is that sote scadutree blessings still aren't implemented very well

[analog yacht]

there were even people refusing to use scadutree blessings!!

crazy tbh

[broken spade]

if they're meant to encourage exploring, they should actually be in the side dungeons

[analog yacht]

idk I found like 18/20 just by exploring blindly

[broken spade]

so did i but it didn't really feel like a smooth progression loop

[analog yacht]

that's fair ig. I personally loved getting rewarded with little power boosts for exploring all over the map instead of just beelining the dungeons

[broken spade]

like instead of
explore -> fight -> explore -> fight
you explore a whole bunch before doing stuff because the scadutree fragments aren't actually in any of the content you're doing. They're outside of it

aside from commander gaius

[analog yacht]

i personally didn't run into this bc i just didn't do that idk

[broken spade]

it's just very detached from the content and it feels like a detour

[analog yacht]

I did do explore > fight > explore

[broken spade]

if you do a big stretch of actually doing fights, you just never find scadutree
If you do try to get scadutree, you don't really fight anything during that time

and there are long af dungeons with no scadutree fragments

me going into a forge with literally no boss and getting rewarded with the shittiest weapon in the game and smithing stone (7)

i don't see why that couldn't have 2 scadutree

[analog yacht]

the scadutree fragments aren't actually in any of the content you're doing. They're outside of it
like this is a mindset i don't get

exploring the map is part of the content to me

not this thing outside of it that i have to do

[broken spade]

well the big catacombs that you can enter that have no graces you can warp to

basically force you to play with no progression for that entire stretch of time

you can't even leave and come back to them later unless you wanna start from the beginning

and the reward is often just like nothing?

the rewards are poorly dispersed

[analog yacht]

yeah idk that mindset is alien to me

not saying it's wrong

But it's not even smth that occurred to me

the dungeons stood on their own in my head

[broken spade]

yeah that's fair

[analog yacht]

the 'reward' was that i got to explore this cool dungeon with a bunch of visual storytelling

and maybe a cool weapon at the end

but i didn't even think of it like that

[broken spade]

It's just that every time i go to what seems like a secret area and there' just a smithing stone (6)
i wonder why it's even there and why it couldn't be a scadutree fragment?

[analog yacht]

see like that's another one

i really liked that the game just flooded me with all kinds of smithing stones

[broken spade]

and it's also just kinda annoying for second playthrough but i can accept that this isn't what they prioritized

[analog yacht]

bc it meant I could upgrade all the cool weapons I was getting

without having to go talk to the finger maiden all the time

[broken spade]

idk by the point i was in the dlc, i had infinite smithing stones

the dlc is locked behind the best farming spot in the game

[analog yacht]

i also never farmed in my life

like for a weapon or piece of armor maybe

[knotty veldt]

just how noticable/good is the cleave stat? Im torn on what to take for blessings on chainsword, i can probly get away without shred with this build as it has high crit chance already, thinking rampage and one of the cleave ones but also seeing theres so damn many cleave ones for the chainsword its possible to get 400% bonus cleave just from blessings??

[analog yacht]

mobility is the least impactful stat on almost everything

except like collateral on lasguns

or similar

[dim tiger]

Is there something really good i should look for in Melk's shop? I just unlocked power 500 weapons

or just buy my favorite weapons then modify the blessings

[analog yacht]

the purpose of melk at this point is buying a weapon that you want to level mastery with but with a weapon that's a lot more serviceable than the 300 stat grey you'd get from the armory

then after leveling mastery upgrade that grey to the perfect roll 500

or spamming random curio to try and get 21/17 hp/tough

or save the coins in case of a melk rework i guess

[dim tiger]

👀

is there a rumor or something about a rework?

[sacred spindle]

one can hope

[dim tiger]

😅

is it that bad?

[sacred spindle]

melk knife turned out not bad in the real world

so much more mobility than psword

it was almost like playing v2 dark elf

[broken spade]

yeah knife is very mobile

i remember first time i tried a knife, i dodged off a ledge by accident

zoom

[sacred spindle]

it's almost too mobile

couple of points where I was nyooming my way though some gas and didn't realise my team decided to hang back on the other side of it

[clever hedge]

same XD

[broken spade]

i've been alternating between knife vet and evis zealot lately
You know how heavy attacks on knife speed you up and heavy attacks on evis slow you down?
...yeah

me trying to speed up on evis by heavy attacking and turning into a snail

[inner temple]

High mobility isn't bad on evis

[dim tiger]

is there a list of suggested 80% slots of each weapon or it's just personal preference? im guessing damage should always be 80%

[full nacelle]

check the guide in the pins

it has all the weapon info you could want

[dim tiger]

thank you

[tall torrent]

become a crusher enjoyer

[inner temple]

I enjoy getting crushe d by overheads and that one weapon calleda crusher

[scarlet vessel]

crusher mauler rager deathball, throw frag unload bolter, get frag back. okay im sold on demo team now

[arctic rampart]

Crusher always has that shit damage though, so you gotta trust your team.

[broken spade]

I thought crusher has gotten pretty decent with damage now

idk i used it like once after the rework

[arctic rampart]

They last buffed damage in patch14 (1 year ago). Dunno

It's a fun weapon but you need the right team, probably a fast range gun to make it work

[pseudo fiber]

crusher got more damage blessings recently which is a huge buff

[arctic rampart]

on my zealot I usually went rashaad with fire nades

oh ok, I didn't know. did it get BM?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/crusher/indignatus-mk-ive-crusher doesnt look that different? opportunist?

[pseudo fiber]

no, I don't even think bm would be good on it tbh

slaughterer and thrust

and thunderous

I think you can meme one tap a crusher with the crusher

[arctic rampart]

ehh seems like meme setup with thrust would suck ass to use though

[tall torrent]

Nah what

[hollow ibex]

It’s a room blender

The damage was never bad in recent history tbh

[broken spade]

i only remember being bad for damage pre rework

which was like over a year ago

it used to basically be melee smite

[hearty panther]

kinda

[broken spade]

pretty sure that's not the case anymore anyways

[hearty panther]

i think it was just balanced around skullcrusher being mandatory on it

since it only had four blessings anyway

and then the trees came out and it was left super far behind

cause you could actually do good damage with it, but you had to get those skullcrusher stacks, which just takes a couple swings

oh

it was much slower

i knew i was forgetting something

[tall torrent]

Crusher is prob top 3 zealot melee rn?

Def my personal fav zealot melee

[hearty panther]

could be. i still dont super care for it lul

[broken spade]

i'm sure the damage is good now but i just haven't used it much

[tall torrent]

I think it’s just right behind knife & duelling sword tbh

But it’s like, very different

Does different things from those two

[broken spade]

i remember trying it once post rework and the push attack was pretty nice

[tall torrent]

It’s a very strong attack

Very high finesse

[tough tiger]

Crusher staggers everything and then kills it

Pretty great

[tall torrent]

Most things die in 2~3 hits

[tough tiger]

And staggered in 1 lol

[tall torrent]

Ya

Stagger in first hit, kill in second or third hit

[arctic rampart]

I last played zealot like a year ago so that tracks

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent what does 0.5x mean in the depleted sprint modifyer?

[shadow dagger]

sprint speed reduction when out of stamina, probably

or technically sprint speed modifier but who cares really

[tall torrent]

It’s not “half your sprint move speed”

It’s weird

I forgot what it is

[shadow dagger]

the multiplier to your base sprint speed multiplier when out of stamina then?

not directly applied to your final sprint speed?

[tall torrent]

Not super sure

I think it’s applied to the in-hand item’s bonus sprint speed

[orchid hemlock]

that was psyker and this is Zealot

who drains stamina more?

[broken spade]

test and document it for the guide

[shadow dagger]

I meant it's pretty obviously zealot

[tall torrent]

Only zealot has 0.75x depleted sprint modifier

Everyone else is 0.5x

[shadow dagger]

1.0x would be the same sprint speed when out of stamina as when you do have some

so the higher you are the better it is

[orchid hemlock]

oh wait so all classes deplete stamina the same amount at base, its the wepaon that increases or decreases it

[white minnow]

your default walk speed is 4 m/s
when you sprint, it adds +1 m/s base along with whatever is on your weapon
The sprint bonus is what gets halved, not your overall movement speed

so if my sprint bonus was 1.5 m/s, then I'd run at 4 + 1.5 = 5.5 m/s with full stamina, and i'd run at 4 + (1.5 * 1/2) = 4.75 m/s at zero stamina

[orchid hemlock]

ogryn has the same

[tall torrent]

maybe I remembered wrong then

[orchid hemlock]

hmm if this is the case, wouldn't a combo of SE and SR be better or worse on Ogryn? 🤔

[tall torrent]

wdym

[broken spade]

i guess if they lose less from being out of stamina, stamina stuff would be less value for them

[orchid hemlock]

if depleted stamina is not the end of the world on Ogryn, would you rather get 3 SE, or 2/1 SE/SR, or 1/2 SE/SR

[tall torrent]

Depleted stamina = can’t avoid ranged attacks while sprinting

[broken spade]

i think most of your stamina use as an ogryn is still sprinting anyways, so it'd be all sprint eff

are there any ogryn weapons that want to just spam push attack?

[orchid hemlock]

because when I play Zealot I use 1/2 SE/SR

[tall torrent]

Single sprint efficiency is x1.1765 longer sprint

Which, I’m not sure if u can feel

[clear lantern]

shield?

[tall torrent]

Shield is H1 block cancel

[orchid hemlock]

then what combo would be better for zealot?

[stoic mantle]

Gentlemen. I keep seeing people with recon lasgun, did it get buffed?

[orchid hemlock]

because zealot likes push attacking a lot

[broken spade]

sprint eff should just be more effective stamina if your stamina loss is all from sprinting
If your stamina loss is from other sources, that's gonna be a judgement call you make based off your own play

sprinting usually ends up being a pretty big chunk though

[primal zealot]

Yes and they also gave it to everyone

Very based ty fatshark

[tall torrent]

Play what u like

I think sprint efficiency is pretty good value for veteran

And it’s ok for ogryn

[tall torrent]

Are u asking abt zealot specifically

[orchid hemlock]

so I tried 1 game of zealot with 1/2-SE/SR

and another with 3 SE

The game with the 1/2 felt much more comfy with the ability to push attyack in the middle of combat frequently

but I noticed that I had full stamina a lot, but the moment I ran I lost most of it even when sliding for about 4 seconds

let me try 2/1

[tall torrent]

I mean
I think for zealot u could do without either

[orchid hemlock]

it all comes back to orthos

[broken spade]

i believe sprint eff is multiplicative and stamina regen just adds?
So if you want some more numbers, sprint eff would be 1.176/1.384/1.628x effective stamina, but for only sprinting.
Meanwhile stam regen would give 1.12/1.24/1.36x stamina regeneration
Also math aside, usage-wise reduction is a bit better than replenishment because it has the added utility of extending how long you can do one big sprint.
But this all matters less if you end up excessively pushing all your stamina away

correct me if i'm wrong about stamina regen being additive

[stoic mantle]

Is there a good build for it? I assume using the lasgun crit ammo thing?

[primal zealot]

Yea and slap infernus on it

Get bring it down

[stoic mantle]

Do you have a copy of the tree for it?

[primal zealot]

And voila you have an entire gungryn but more useful

I mean I could slap something together from memory and post it here to be roasted

[stoic mantle]

Get roasted and toasted, my dude

Also, infernus and head hunter? or is dumdum/deathspitter better?

(in place of head hunter)

[civic osprey]

Whats the dump stat for the double barrel

[stoic mantle]

Mobility

Always mobility

[primal zealot]

If memory serves this is a close approximation of the nonsense I run

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter

Infernus is not very good besides boss dps

[stoic mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/roger-roger-roger-roger-that-copy-that-robots-gif-5912820

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s damage scaling is high enough that you get kills before infernus does anything notable

[primal zealot]

I view it as an ammo conservation tool

In addition to its obvious use against bosses

However if a game gives me the ability to set shit on fire I will always take it

https://tenor.com/view/fire-bravos-gif-24067547

Ofc it could be argued that a flat dmg boost like deathspitter conserves ammo just as well since it requires fewer shots to bring down a target

[stoic mantle]

Mk XII?

[tall torrent]

Use XII or XIV

[deft crystal]

I need a anti crusher knife

so boys

[stoic mantle]

How about a DClaw

[deft crystal]

Cara/unyield
precog/uncan

[deft crystal]

I like dclaws mech to one shot

[stoic mantle]

just parry the crusher

[deft crystal]

but i got bored of it

[analog yacht]

i think if you want ammo con you take headhunter, no?

[tall torrent]

Headhunter is not very high value when using veteran’s crit chance talents

[deft crystal]

I need agile and serrated

if I want knife w mercy

precog+ mercy

or uncanny + mercy

[analog yacht]

but if you want to 'conserve ammo' it's probably better to get higher crit than trying to let infernus get kills, right?

[deft crystal]

Anyone know whats better? or do I need to test

[tall torrent]

it's better to just go dum dum + deathspitter and kill things faster

[deft crystal]

dum dum deathspitter with weapon spec.

[analog yacht]

I don't disagree, I was talking irt to this

[deft crystal]

Melee tf out of everything

then swap to recon

[analog yacht]

but also yeah deathspitter is more damage = more ammo efficiency

[deft crystal]

and enjoy 6 sec's of inf dmg

inf ammo*

also dont magdump into hordes

use them for weap spec

[primal zealot]

Yea that

Recon can be surprisingly ammo efficient

[tall torrent]

not the case

did u forget that WS's crit chance is only for the first shot

[primal zealot]

Although ngl sometimes I dump into hordes cus reasons

[deft crystal]

Wait I have it up for 6 seconds when mag dumping vraks

U just dont stop shooting and it counts for that first shot no>

[tall torrent]

that's the firerate buff

the crit chance buff is only the first ranged attack instance

u could have known this if u read my guide

[deft crystal]

SELF PLUGGING MF

[analog yacht]

i mean this is also a case where reading the cardtalent explains the talent

[primal zealot]

Just swap every other shot lmao

[analog yacht]

this is why revolver is peak

[deft crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[tall torrent]

I just happen to be right most of the time

[terse idol]

When the plug is in the pins

[deft crystal]

This guy gets it

[green willow]

what's the tan infantry autogun good for

[deft crystal]

Spraying down hordes, and specials

[green willow]

it's good all around?

[tall torrent]

Better recoil control & damage over range than Vraks V

Worse dps however

[green willow]

what if i like the power sword, but don't have the time to charge it

[tall torrent]

Rashad

[scarlet vessel]

even shock troop gauntlet heresy i felt like i constantly need to throw frag to keep the count between 2 and 3. demo team opened my eyes

[tall torrent]

Wait till u get to C-I-VI maelstrom

That’s like 600 elites & specialists across a mission

[primal zealot]

Lmao just go full grenadier on that

[scarlet vessel]

gonna be grenade fun times the higher up i go.

its so fun with field improv and demo team. idk why field improv is so rare when i dont play the vet and met other pubbie vets

[tall torrent]

Because it’s at best a luxury pick

[scarlet vessel]

yeah it or demo team will be luxury picks

[primal zealot]

Depends on mission and team setup

3 nuke ogryns and you’d be a fool not to have field improv

[tall torrent]

Nah

Not needed

[primal zealot]

Demo team only seems worthwhile on insane stuff like civi

^this guy does not want a nuke to be used in every room

[scarlet vessel]

field improv, exploit weakness, demo team choose 2

[tall torrent]

Because the reality is
Only 2 builds actually care about grenade pickups

Fire grenade zealot
Frag bomb ogryn

Veteran doesn’t care

Psyker doesn’t care

[scarlet vessel]

2 frag bomb ogryns are very happy i had field improv and demo teams

[primal zealot]

Or shouldn’t at least

[tall torrent]

Zealot’s best blitz is throwing knives so they don’t rly care

Rock Ogryns don’t care

[primal zealot]

There are a surprising number of vets in run into without grenade regen

Running some bullshit like smokes

And box ogryns don’t matter

[tall torrent]

The extra healing effect from medpack is good but not necessarily worth 1 point

[scarlet vessel]

smoke sometimes is useful against gunner walls and hound packs. other than that rather frag

[primal zealot]

I have 0 faith in smokes ability to block ai view in this game or any other

[tall torrent]

This is probably because u don’t understand how it works

[primal zealot]

Smoke is hit or miss in a bunch of pvp games too

[tall torrent]

Smoke in Darktide is not a normal fps game smoke

You can read my guide on smoke’s function

Essentially only the “concealment” buff matters

If you’re not inside the smoke cloud you get basically no benefit

[primal zealot]

That would explain why I’ve been capped through that smoke

[tall torrent]

Read the guide

I really put pretty much everything u need to know about veteran in there

[primal zealot]

So that’s what your name means

On mobile it cuts off at g…

[deft crystal]

anyone know the base crit stat of vraks

Im not making a crit build for it

[tall torrent]

What gun

Vraks II? Vraks V?

[primal zealot]

Do you mean the columnus?

[deft crystal]

yea

columnus

why tf would they name change

[gilded wraith]

The will also finish a firing burst if they've started it... so make sure to move a few meters if you were already the target before smoke went off.

[deft crystal]

Vraks mkv

[tall torrent]

If u mean Vraks V
-2% R.crit chance (3-string)

[gilded wraith]

*They

[tall torrent]

Srsly just open my guide

It’s literally all in there

[gilded wraith]

Numbers cat gets a nickle everytime you open it 😉

[analog yacht]

pub vets are the most bizarre people istg

like while grenadier spam ogryn and tickle fingers psykers are annoying, they're like, understandable? the vets you get are like

"mag dumps bolter non stop and steals all ammo" and "downs themself with plasma 3 times in a row and dies"

how did these people make it to auric damn

bonus points that the former prioritizes targets you're engaged w/ so you get 0 toughness

but that's like, normal bad player stuff

[tough tiger]

Dont worry, u can enjoy the 50 toughness from my shout

[hollow ibex]

they spent 5 hours on the game and hit level 30

that's it

[verbal burrow]

I have decided to create another build

It has come to my attention that I have dedicated all of my time playing Veteran towards buffing the fuck out of my team and making things easier via powerful tools like the Rashad and the Plasma.

But I want to focus less on making their toughness bars and damage numbers good, and more on killing heretics sometimes

I don't want to be essential anymore. I just want to be happy

[primal zealot]

Toothpick bolter and weapon spec

[verbal burrow]

I took all the Talent Points out of Team Support and went full candy shopping mode
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5dbe75-11af-451f-ac44-ae7a5378f844/choppy-shooty-fun-time

[tall torrent]

Don’t take exploit weakness

[verbal burrow]

Why do we not like Exploit Weakness?

[tall torrent]

Because it’s not good

[verbal burrow]

Toughness Boost it is, then.

But I'm getting Trench Fighter Drill one way or the other.

[green willow]

is Onslaught alright

[verbal burrow]

Onslaught is very popular in combination with rapid fire weapons like the Accatran lasguns

[tall torrent]

Only useful for 2 guns (one of which usually doesn’t take it)

[verbal burrow]

I believe the youth calls those Recon Lasguns now

[tall torrent]

Why 10% TDR on bottom left

[verbal burrow]

Because I like TDR

[tall torrent]

Marksman is right there

Stamina regen delay is right there

[verbal burrow]

I don't like Marksman and I don't need stamina regen delay

[tall torrent]

Take redirect fire then

Marksman also helps Rashad breakpoints but u do u

[verbal burrow]

I have an entirely separate team support build to do things like Redirect Fire and Target Down already

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire is for your own breakpoints

[verbal burrow]

I'm fine as is

[full nacelle]

Marksman or Reciprocity?

I'm think Reciprocity since it's a crit build but it's also a Marksman's Focus build

[tall torrent]

Which build

[verbal burrow]

Like, that axe just one-shotted a Mutant, IDK what other breakpoints people want me to go for

[tall torrent]

What difficulty scaling

[verbal burrow]

5 as always

[tall torrent]

Can u show a recording

[verbal burrow]

No because I do not record

[tall torrent]

How did u get the axe to do 4000 maniac damage then

[stoic thorn]

Favourite thing to do with my Plasma is get to the airlock, activate the exe stance and blast specials through the airlock door

[verbal burrow]

crit headshot heavy attack

[tall torrent]

Oh

[stoic thorn]

I love just fucking shooting through the airlock doors

[verbal burrow]

I was like "A surprise to be sure but a welcome one"

[tall torrent]

I’m pretty sure Rashad crit HS vs mutant is like 3200 smth in 1 hit

Not enough for a 1 hit kill

[green willow]

how useful is skirmisher

[tall torrent]

Not useful

[full nacelle]

Vraks build with exe stance

[full nacelle]

skirmisher is a really cool node in concept that absolutely sucks in practice

gotta wait for more buffs unfortunately

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity

[full nacelle]

sweet! glad to hear cause I already made the build video

preciate ya

[tall torrent]

Ur making yt videos?

[full nacelle]

Yup! Just finished my first one today. Haven't published it yet.

[green willow]

what about Get Back In The Fight

[tall torrent]

Usually not good

Catch a breath is usually better

[full nacelle]

not great, better than catch a breath though

oh

nevermind

I prefer it personally

unless I'm running a full special sniper build I feel like I rarely can make use out of catch a breath

[green willow]

how good is that fire stun immunity

[tall torrent]

Activate once every 20 missions if u mess up
Vs
Loner but actually works intuitively

[full nacelle]

I feel like the clutch moments where Get Back in the Fight helps is more useful overall than a little toughness regen... I'm usually fully topped up or dead

but really they're both meh nodes

so I get both sides

[tall torrent]

The only scenarios where u get toughness broken normally would be

[full nacelle]

niche... Both nodes in general are pretty niche. Get Back in the Fight moreso but it has a greater effect when it does pop

[tall torrent]

Getting overheaded (try dodging)
Getting sniped (try dodging)
Getting poxburster’d (try pushing)
Getting shotgun blasted (try dodging)
Staying in fire & gas too long (try sprinting)

[full nacelle]

true but the scenarios where no enemies are within 8 meters in auric maelstrom are... sometimes before drops?

[tall torrent]

If ur in a clutch situation, CaB is actually better

[full nacelle]

you think so? wouldn't the horde just be all over you and prevent it from activating?

[tall torrent]

Because CaB enables u to trade toughness vs shooters without having to use VoC

Think this way

Whenever CaB is not working, you’re most likely engaged in melee so u have melee kills for toughness

Cab is for when you are in a prolonged shootout, especially in last-man-standing

[full nacelle]

OH! Another reason why I probably have a differing opinion is that I like Deadshot builds

I know you're not a fan

but yeah I can see it being useful when you're clearing out a room from a vantage point

but in that instance I usually have confirmed kill going and don't need the extra toughness

[tall torrent]

It’s for spread out shooters

Not so much as gunners

Just ranged horde enemies

Where u don’t get CK working

[full nacelle]

gotcha... yeah I can see the use there for big open rooms

[green willow]

reciporicty or duck and dive

[full nacelle]

reciprocity all day

[green willow]

so true

[full nacelle]

it's an amazing node... duck and dive is good but more niche

but yeah I generally don't even path that way on a lot of my builds

Survivalist is great but not nearly as good anymore

when I do run it I'm usually running some kind of deadshot build

so the 50% stamina helps if I'm in a tight spot

[analog yacht]

ok wait can we look at the curios rq

[hearty panther]

people will call catch a breath bad but will put three toughness regen nodes on their curios, i do not belong in this world

[analog yacht]

why do you have corruption res x3

[drowsy aspen]

Corruption irl

Corruption ig?

[midnight totem]

alas, the barrel on hourglass claims 3 people

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-hit-me-angry-the-dark-knight-gif-11972271

that moment when you have the DC parry ready for some juicy ragers but theres 2 smykers on your team

[keen wharf]

Kind of wish there was an Prisoner Extraction mission. would be similar to how everyone got enlisted i guess. although it would be difficult to keep them alive majority of the time.

[regal belfry]

no Escort missions but the npcs are not the dumbest in darktide

[earnest bone]

does that mean you are the one who launched them?

the perfect crime

beware : barrels

[grim quartz]

guys what customization options are the closest to a commisar outfit?

ik that there's the cap in the shop but what about the uniform

[steady ibex]

At which power level does a curio give 3 stam?

Apparently the answer is 410

[sweet wind]

oh that's pretty high

must be rare to get then

[stoic thorn]

I LOOKED AT THE DAEMONHOST AND IT BECAME MAD WHAT THE HELL 😭😭

[wet ether]

was your torch on?

[stoic thorn]

No

Plasma

It does that?

Any amount of very bright light does that lmao???

[wet ether]

yes only torches those

[stoic thorn]

Yeah I didn't have a torch

I was just looking at the daemonhost

Maybe fired out of instinct lmao

[wet ether]

must've being a teammate

[full nacelle]

I've had a teammate trigger the demonhost and then it locked onto me while I was in Infiltrate

just Darktide things

[cosmic terrace]

for vet what blessings and perks should i get for combat knife ?

[austere mica]

Uncanny/riposte+precognition (or mercy killer if you run Serrated Blade)

Whatever armor types you hate the most

[tall torrent]

Carapace + 2 stamina

[earnest bone]

of course anyone would be angry if you look at them while they are naked

smh

https://tenor.com/view/travis-fran-healy-toilet-bathroom-a-little-privacy-gif-27378333

[lofty nova]

So is Precog + Riposte the ideal blessings for Dueling sword ?

[tall torrent]

On veteran?

[lofty nova]

yea

[tall torrent]

Riposte is nice
Precog isn’t necessary

Doesn’t change breakpoints so it’s just boss damage

Agile, ironically enough, actually changes breakpoints for veteran

[lofty nova]

ah i put it on cuz of tanners video on precog vs i think it was uncanny ?

[tall torrent]

If u want the safest tho

Uncanny + riposte prob best?

Uncanny is just stupidly strong

[tall torrent]

Don’t watch Tanner

[full nacelle]

Tanner is going through his wholesome arc and I respect it ❤️

I hope he continues

[lofty nova]

well sadly him and some E guy are like the only 2 that pop up for any info related videos on this game

[austere mica]

Tanner is a very skilled player with abysmal opinions he will kill people to protect

[lofty nova]

he is i noticed in his new videos he's toned down the swearing.

lol

[austere mica]

And Mister E is just dumb

[full nacelle]

Yeah lately he's really stepped it up and given my eardrums a break

Mister E is much easier to listen to but also wrong much more often

[lofty nova]

In my opinion he's a kid on an Ego trip but also he does seem to know the game machnics fairly well and builds for auric content so it's better than me winging it lol

[earnest bone]

Depends, there's a lot of useful options
Uncanny Riposte
Uncanny Precog
Uncanny Agile
and some others

[austere mica]

A lot of his build advice is wrong or bad

[lofty nova]

noticing a trend here with uncanny lol

[earnest bone]

[austere mica]

IE: gunner resist

Extremely strong

He hates it

[thorn lark]

rampage + agile is the way yes

[full nacelle]

Tanner is great at explaining game mechanics but terrible at explaining his opinions on them

[earnest bone]

i saw rampage thrust guy yesterday

[thorn lark]

oh myyyy

[lofty nova]

so how does agile work the wording on the dark tide build editor website is weird

[earnest bone]

infinite dodges, its kinda broken

[full nacelle]

lately Tanner has been redoing his old REEEEEEE videos and making them a lot better and more understandable

which I really respect

[tall torrent]

Uncanny is just really unhealthily strong

[lofty nova]

he has a point tho you can just slide the attacks the only that actually get me are from the random trash mobs out of my melee range.

[thorn lark]

wait that could work on mk2 h2 no?

[tall torrent]

Is he still wrong half the time

[earnest bone]

it was DS4 tho

and he was running around stabbing things

[lofty nova]

agree

[earnest bone]

so kinda pointless with rampage

[thorn lark]

ok so rampage for ligth spamming and thrust for heavies...

[thorn lark]

damn lol

[full nacelle]

from what I've seen from his last couple videos, no... I mean you could definitely disagree but he actually rationally and calmly explains his reasoning which was unheard of before

[earnest bone]

he was literally just only stabbing

[tall torrent]

Got examples?

Of like, one of his recent opinions

[earnest bone]

maybe he was thinking that DS4 poke has some cleave

but its like 1.5 cleave

[thorn lark]

he actually advocates for sprint efficiency

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad for veteran & ogryn

[lofty nova]

might be a hot take but unless you're hitting a mob 3 seconds doesn't seem long enough to make use of blessings like this. so like if you're lucky it'll proc off mobs and a zerker will run up to you and you make use of it

[tall torrent]

It’s useless on psyker and debatable for zealot

[thorn lark]

a bit more with thrust probably

[earnest bone]

breakpoint of 2 reached

[lofty nova]

wish everything had at least a 5 second minimum duration

[thorn lark]

i was joking lol

[earnest bone]

[thorn lark]

holy shit 2!!!!!!

[thorn lark]

5s precog YES

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

3s is a lot
Rampage exists solely for horde clear, don’t think too much abt it

[earnest bone]

[full nacelle]

like for example what Carpets was saying, in his old curio video he basically called anyone who used gunner resist idiots who should go off themselves... he just put out a new one today where he just explains they're not as good for skilled players who maximize the value of sliding to avoid gunner attacks

[lofty nova]

3 seconds would expire by the time you started sprinting lol

it's really not that long it's fine on guns

[full nacelle]

you could still disagree and say gunner resist is great but he was MUCH more levelheaded and understandable

[tall torrent]

Ok so he’s still wrong but he’s more reasonably wrong

[lofty nova]

but for melee you got to take into account movement time

so you need the thing infront of you to effectively use a 3 second blessing

[thorn lark]

you can take off gunner resist when you are good at positioning AND mobile enough imho

[lofty nova]

and in most casses the conditions met are generally mob situations for like the majority of blessings

[full nacelle]

eh difference in perspective for the most part but yeah he's actually been really constructive in his newest vods

[tall torrent]

That’s nice

[thorn lark]

i actually liked his video about uncanny

[tall torrent]

I still don’t think I’d recommend watching him to anyone

[thorn lark]

it was different than sayin uncanny is op / shit

[tall torrent]

But my opinion can change if he keeps this up

[full nacelle]

Yeah I'd still hold off until he updates his old "guides" from being a lot of incoherent screaming

but it seems like he's genuinely putting forward the work to show people he can be a good content creator

[tall torrent]

Screaming is one thing
Being wrong is another

[broken spade]

i just found it incredibly funny how he said he could circle 7 gunners forever with no issue and then 1 gunner immediately ate all of his toughness

[thorn lark]

it's like, you can use it, but know why and when you use it, and also, there's other blessings

[frank ether]

is this another tanner rant lol

[tall torrent]

I don’t think he knows how the sprint ranged damage avoid mechanic works

He knows it’s a thing, he just doesn’t know how it specifically works

[full nacelle]

I think it's a mix of both. He's welcome to have his own opinions but it really makes you look stupid when you YELL about them in a game like Darktide where there are a million variables and preferences play a huge role in peoples perspectives.

[tall torrent]

And to me, incomplete truth is not much better than false truth

[lofty nova]

Yah but that's kind of how to world works tho it's hard to find absolute truths.

especially when so many thing are to personal opinion and preferences

[tall torrent]

There’re many complete truths about Darktide at the very least

[full nacelle]

nah I was just telling folks he's actually been turning over a new leaf with his newest vods... he's updating his old guides to be less insane and a lot more calm and helpful

giving credit where it's due

[thorn lark]

well he did not talk about that being different on each class Toughness Damage Taken Modifier (Sliding)
state_damage_modifiers.sliding

[frank ether]

thats neat

[broken spade]

ironically he's actually kinda too quiet now. good for him though

[lofty nova]

wish people would do this more. like yah some people can have bad takes or start on the wrong foot but recognizing people are trying to change is a very healthy thing for everyone.

[thorn lark]

0.5 for zealots, 1 for vets...

[broken spade]

I have to raise his volume to hear him but i'm scared he'll snap back to old tanner and randomly scream

[lofty nova]

positive reinforcement helps perpetuate positive attitudes.

[tall torrent]

That part applies but it’s not as relevant

[full nacelle]

yeah it's cool to see! he seems to be happier for it too cause the reception has been very wholesome

[tall torrent]

The main thing is that

Different classes do have different curio perk preferences

Sprint efficiency is good for veteran & ogryn but is basically useless on psyker

[frank ether]

I like taking gunner resist on zealot personally but lately I've been trying stalwart

[broken spade]

imo even some weapons do too.
I care more about stamina on some weapons more than others

[tall torrent]

And for something as ubiquitous as gunner resist it’s a pretty high value pick even for just 1 slot

Like, I can get if u don’t go 3x gunner resist

That’s totally reasonable

[frank ether]

I like one or two

[broken spade]

same

[tall torrent]

Having 0 gunner resist is a bit questionable but still understandable depending on the class & build

But saying it’s not worth taking is just incorrect

[earnest bone]

it's kinda op tho, rendering two armor type in the game useless and boosting maniac and unyelding damage, plus easy to maintain
Absolute cinema

[lofty nova]

Hey so if you thrust a lot with dueling sword which i do vs special is the Thrust Blessing worth taking over Reposte?

[tall torrent]

No

Because thrust is bait

[frank ether]

gunners are probably the biggest reason people who havent yet mastered movement get those ''wtf I just melted'' deaths

[lofty nova]

sadge

[regal belfry]

psyker have no stamina cause they invested the points into psychic abilitys

[tall torrent]

You could heavy attack 3 times in the time it takes to get 1 fully charged heavy atk out with thrust

[earnest bone]

its funny to kill maulers and crushers with one noncrit poke, though

[frank ether]

so I recommend at least 2x gunner resist to frens new to zealot

[tall torrent]

For 300% heavy atk damage instead of 160%

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s gunners actually

[lofty nova]

So would this be a better blessing on Ogryn that has talents for full heavys ?

[tall torrent]

I think it’s flamers more often

[tall torrent]

Crunch? Also bait

You could swing twice in the time you can fully charge a heavy atk

[lofty nova]

thrust is a blessing on the MK bully 3

[tall torrent]

Too bad bully clubs are terrible

[frank ether]

thing is when specials kill you they do it in very obvious, readable ways. Gunners can 100-0 before you can react at times

[lofty nova]

is also on the knife. lol

[regal belfry]

i love thr mk 3 bully club

[tall torrent]

Cleavers are a bit better
But like, ogryn has 1 good melee weapon

And while you can make a case for thrust on that weapon

It has better picks

[lofty nova]

ok so the point being despite even ogryns having talents to benefit full heavy attacks you still don't want to take blessings for fully heavy attacks ?

[tall torrent]

Because u don’t need to full charge heavy attacks

[broken spade]

yeah just spam the heavies faster

[tall torrent]

Getting 2 heavy attacks out is faster & safer than going for a charged-up heavy attack

And pickaxes have headtaker + slaughterer

Much more intuitive & accessible

[earnest bone]

the only application of that is to charge thrust from a distance and then engage, but that means you engage with just only one crusher and another 5 are just fast stabs or else

stab-stab still indeed better

zealot at least can 100% crit that thrust with chastise for some boss damage

[tall torrent]

That’s like the only case where thrust is not baiting you on losing dps

But I’m of the weird opinion that even thunder hammers are better off without thrust

[earnest bone]

thrust will still be relevant for zealot as long as you can proc 100% crit for big bonk damage

[tall torrent]

It’s relevant, it’s kind of just

Not as good?

[earnest bone]

unless someone willing to provide math on hammer powered special with thrust, i'd say it's good

[tall torrent]

I can give u the hard breakpoint stuff for thunder hammer without thrust

Thrust only matters in 2 scenarios

[earnest bone]

the relevant one is crusher

can it reach oneshot bp without thrust

[tall torrent]

s.H1 bonking crusher/mauler
boss dps

[tall torrent]

Yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043910914027561000/1301048743100940298/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.30_-_01.02.27.03.mp4?ex=67230f90&is=6721be10&hm=e25c18cc4778997ac03735315acdedca0f6b40597c6d6812f342eb6e673b0a74&

This is an empowered light attack with 5 sustained + headtaker

[earnest bone]

nonchastise of course cmon

its 6 crushers

not 1-2

[tall torrent]

I’m not done

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

You need full stack thrust to one tap crusher with s.H1

[regal belfry]

smites 50% of a monster awqy

[tall torrent]

By the time u full stack thrust, ur going to drop stacks on headtaker/slaughterer

It’s faster & safer to get 2 empowered light hits in (also kills crusher)

Which stuns u for far less time

[broken spade]

Does special light on th do any meaningful damage on crushers without F? I'm satisfied if it's a 2 shot with special lights

[tall torrent]

It’s ~2200dmg on weakspot

[lofty nova]

Also question is the Columnus still technically the strongest gun for Vet or has a better one taken it's place ?

[tall torrent]

With full headtaker + sustained assault stacks

It’s very very reliable 2 tap

Much safer

[broken spade]

no slaught?

[tall torrent]

You can keep running 1v6 crusher scenarios in meat grinder

[tall torrent]

No, I have slaughterer

I’m just saying it will reach 2 tap condition without slaughterer being active

[broken spade]

but is it stacked for this too?

oh ok

maybe i'll try it then

[tall torrent]

With 1 slaughterer/some momentum stacks, at full headtaker & sustained assault, you can get the same s.H1 one tap crusher as with thrust

It just happens that

[broken spade]

i kinda hate thunder hammer mainly because of thrust timing

[tall torrent]

You’re not constrained to only doing s.H1

Your s.L1 can still 2 tap crushers

[broken spade]

maybe i'll suck less

[earnest bone]

without momentum stacks i went to check

with 5 headtaker stacks

you only need 1 thrust stack

to oneshot crusher

[tall torrent]

Not worth

Just better off with slaughterer

[broken spade]

if you only need 1 thrust stack, then slaughterer+headtaker can substitute

[tall torrent]

Because in any scenario with group crushers/maulers

[earnest bone]

yeah

[tall torrent]

You’re gonna have momentum & duellist stacks up

Which entirely bypasses the need for thrust

[earnest bone]

and

in order

to oneshot crusher

without any buff

[tall torrent]

And I can confidently say that using headtaker + slaughterer with s.L1 (mix of s.H1 occasionally) is much safer vs group crushers

[earnest bone]

you need carapace + elites

otherwise

its like 10 hp left

31*

[tall torrent]

So I think we can conclude

Thrust is not so relevant for crusher/mauler

[earnest bone]

just for boss bonk

[tall torrent]

U can get same/better performance with headtaker + slaughterer

It only matters for boss damage

But like

Idk, I don’t think you’re ever gonna be lacking in boss damage with a thunder hammer

[broken spade]

unfortunately everyone just cares about the boss memes for thunder hammer so people will just ignore this anyways

[tall torrent]

I don’t think unyielding is particularly worth for thunder hammers even

I run carapace + maniac

[earnest bone]

well you often get Ogryn and Psyker with either +Elite or +Heavy damage

or even

5% aura veteran

3 things will let you reach

[tall torrent]

Or redirect fire

[earnest bone]

crusher oneshot BP

with 3 thrust stacks and 0 buffs

[broken spade]

psyker with +elite aura isn't exactly common

[tall torrent]

So it’s not a huge miss (even assuming no duellist/momentum stacks active)

Which is so specific it basically isn’t applicable

[broken spade]

but yeah sure you'll get random buffs from teammates sometimes

[tall torrent]

The only thing u miss out on is boss damage

But I do think carapace + maniac is the better perk combo

[earnest bone]

or

you can just run martyrdom

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives u throwing knife 1HS Dreg rager

[earnest bone]

but im not a fan of martyrdom/hammer

[tall torrent]

And thunder hammer has really dogshit maniac ADM

0.5x from light atks

[broken spade]

I think one of the more common party buffs you'll recieve is likely going to be the 10% damage node from vet using ability

so that's a thing too

[tall torrent]

Maniac gets you less stacks of headtaker / sustained assault needed for s.L1 Dreg rager 1HS

And makes your uncharged attacks better against them

Dreg rager is basically the worst possible enemy for thunder hammer

Bad ADM, high attack speed, also you’re gonna dump defences so you can’t block them very long

[earnest bone]

if there's like 10 of them, i usually chastise away from them and then flamer go

[tall torrent]

Unyielding only gives u reaper 1HS without any stacks / FotF active

[tall torrent]

I use DB instead

[earnest bone]

i used either agri8/columbus braced, but flamer is better for clutch

[tall torrent]

Gets the job done faster

I bring DB just for thunder hammer

Deathspitter + both barrels

[earnest bone]

when i play with randoms i usually want something that either flame grenades or flamer itself, as i can't be bothered to solo clear 250 elitesspecials + boss + horde and that happens way too often

when you play pub Auric MS or HISTG Aurics

[tall torrent]

Also headtaker + slaughterer thunder hammer has surprisingly decent horde clear

Light atks also do super high single target damage

[earnest bone]

now they dealt with hammers, let them buff autopistol

in 2027

[tall torrent]

I bring a kind of “veteran min-max” energy to zealot that most people won’t appreciate

[earnest bone]

im the other way around, i dont like weak melee with veteran and 95% of my builds are weapon spec

and 5% is FT

so i play veteran as zealot

with different F

and grenades

[tall torrent]

Veteran melee even without WS is strong

[earnest bone]

slow attack speed triggers me

[tall torrent]

Just 10% is enough

Veteran hits harder

[broken spade]

i find vet melee weirdly more engaging that zealot melee just cause of weapon spec and agile engagement

[earnest bone]

zealot is always either 30% attacks speed, 45% or 50-54

and now you are telling me 10

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[tall torrent]

Zealot is 20~30% most of the time

[frank ether]

if you're going down to trench fighter why not take it

[tall torrent]

My gun needs FT for breakpoint

[frank ether]

I kinda do the same thing with agrippa revolver

so I get it, but it still aggravates me

[broken spade]

zealot should get some not terrible (not you emperor's bullet and sainted gunslinger) nodes that encourage melee/gun swapping like agile engagement does

[tall torrent]

Zealot has to get martyrdom + FotF to have +50% atk speed

[earnest bone]

i like sainted gunslinger, but that node placement is shit

[tall torrent]

But martyrdom is

And momentum is just better

[broken spade]

i love martyrdom

actually feel safer with it cause of the tdr

why the fuck is the cdr node for it so bad though?

[tall torrent]

Crit weapons are safer with enduring faith

[broken spade]

i run crit martyrdom evis

[earnest bone]

and why they didnt touch it in a year

[tall torrent]

[earnest bone]

guess they still dont have an idea

how to change it

[broken spade]

so i actually have stupid toughness dr

[earnest bone]

just make it toughness damage CDR and NERF it

to make it in line with others

otherwise it would be broken

[broken spade]

i have to grab the fucking crit cdr on a martyrdom build
give me a real cdr node for martyrdom fatshark

[regal belfry]

does someone even use the shredder autopistol and what is its purpose

[earnest bone]

for memes

otherwise its weak after the nerf

[tall torrent]

Stagger, suppression, kill maniac

[regal belfry]

when did it got nerfed

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately DB shotgun does that job better

[earnest bone]

more than a year ago

[regal belfry]

also when i couldn't play darktide cause of to weak laptop

[earnest bone]

darktide is much more great now with framegen tbh

i run XeSS 1.3.1 + AMD FrameGen

on AMD Card

[regal belfry]

no i ment it was to potato for this game

[earnest bone]

🥔

[regal belfry]

the reason why i got a new pc in december 2023

[earnest bone]

based

[broken spade]

basically this with mk15 shred rampage evis, and a bolter
Surprisingly brainless and works well actually

basically can't take toughness damage once martyrdom's active

[tall torrent]

They just need to actually do frame gen proper
And unfuck their borderless Fullscreen options when resolution is set below monitor screen’s native value

[regal belfry]

mostly darktide and likely other games

[earnest bone]

yes this is old classic

[tall torrent]

Maybe they’ll fix that next year

[earnest bone]

you sure are optimistic, huh

[tall torrent]

I wonder what we’ll have for end of this year

New weapon & map?

[earnest bone]

1-2 new weps, i wont bet on map

[regal belfry]

better shredder pistol?

[earnest bone]

since we just got one

[tall torrent]

I hope 2~3 new weapon families

[earnest bone]

also i dont like rolling steel at all

the idea is cool

but puzzles makes it shet in pubs

[tall torrent]

Rolling steel’s optimization is actually horrendous dude

[regal belfry]

i hope force greatsword and more staves

[broken spade]

i like that a fast mission exists but it probably shouldn't be in quickplay

[tall torrent]

It runs flat out 5° Celsius hotter than every other map in the game, at minimum

[earnest bone]

probably has something to do with constant "moving"

not sure if they can do something about that

[tall torrent]

I just don’t play that map

[earnest bone]

facts

i did it like 4 times and not touching it after

[tall torrent]

I was actually thinking

What happens if I set mesh LOD below 0.5

Let’s say I go to 0.2

Or even 0.1

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/aardwolf-wolfenstein-3d-wolfenstein-wolfenstein-3-d-apogee-gif-889173798896432329

[tall torrent]

Will that finally make rolling steel playable

[broken spade]

have you seen arcotash's settings?

[tall torrent]

He plays at -1 texture

[earnest bone]

3D from early 2000's

[tall torrent]

-1 texture is actually just pre-alpha Darktide

[broken spade]

it looks so funny

[tall torrent]

Have u seen what the pox hound looks like with -1 texture

It’s literally just

Pink hedgehog thing

[broken spade]

i tried those settings once

[earnest bone]

he's playing on 1060 right?

[broken spade]

it was hilarious but i don't wanna play with that long term

[tall torrent]

I’m playing on a laptop

3060

[primal dune]

Yo me too

[wet ether]

oi are gunners and shotgunners classed as specialist enemies?

[primal dune]

Those are elites

[wet ether]

gunners should be classed as spacialist enemies

[regal belfry]

no

we have already snipers, grenadiers and flamers as specials and poxbursterd

[wet ether]

Could’ve sworn they were classed as a specialist enemy along time ago

[earnest bone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies

could always when in doubt

[primal dune]

Elites are basically stronger versions of normal enemies, specialists bring unique mechanics

[regal belfry]

so bullwark is a elite

[wet ether]

….fuck sakes that means fat shark nerfed tact awareness

Hold on a second

[broken spade]

gunners were always elites

you might have been confused because there used to be a few things in the game that specified specialists when it really meant both specialists an elites

because descriptions in this game are evil

[wet ether]

Could fucking sworn that gunners were once classed as specialists

[broken spade]

How long ago? I used elites to reach a breakpoint against dreg gunners last year

[primal dune]

You can find 2 year old reddit threads talking about it

I assume someone told you that gunners were specialists and you believed it

Which is understandable, the classification isn't clear

[broken spade]

i remember i used to think snipers were elites because the creature spawner mod had them in the wrong category

[stoic thorn]

Mk4 chainsword heavy spam

They should make special attacking an enemy with a chainsword suppress enemies nearby

How I deadass be feeling after fucking annihilating a crusher with 8 focus stacks, exe stance, plasma at 89% and a combat stim active

Still haven't stumbled upon the

7 crushers

I want a rematch with the

7 crushers

I'm ready to duel 7 crushers

[vapid nacelle]

I think they want to fight 7 crushers

[cosmic terrace]

whats the meta for recon lasgun rn ?

[vivid silo]

Shoot everything that moves I think

And if it doesn't move, shoot it, to see if it starts moving

[earnest bone]

@tall torrenti was thinking, it's funny how CaB is actually a much better loner and it's a NORMAL node, instead of aura

they should really redesign loner, it's just garbage and only for a shortcut

not to mention, aside from just being garbage, loner doesn't bring any team utility

so it's a double L

[wet ether]

can i be honest about my own opinion

gaze psykers are the only ones that should use a gun bubble psykers or scream psykers should be using a staff

[regal belfry]

i use guns only with gaze

[sly fern]

Bolter is so strong now

[thorn lark]

bolter was always strong, especially before the talent trees

aiming correctly was just a bit harder than it is now

[tame lodge]

Staff gaze is a thing though

[tame lodge]

Headhunter Deathspitter
Dumdum Deathspitter

Uh

Infernus Dumdum? I don't remember this one

[thick kestrel]

infernus/dumbdumb if you've got a solid source of crit elsewhere on the build I think. you tend to see it on gun psykers as they can use Gaze for bonus crit and tend to have a lot of crit support on the tree.

for Veteran I would think you'd want head hunter/infernus to make that side of it work outside of a deadshot loadout?

Deadshot would certainly proc the flames but it'd be a bit feast/famine with your stamina with how quickly it would drain

[formal cradle]

so I've read contradicting things, does Aura Radius (Charismatic) increase coherency radius as well?

[thick kestrel]

yep

[formal cradle]

alright, thanks

different question, do you lose marksman's focus stacks when you move while aiming down sights?

does it count as "walking" ?

[thick kestrel]

yes

[formal cradle]

bummer, I probably won't be able to stop myself from doing that XD

[thick kestrel]

crouching with the node is the only way to avoid that, however it should be noted that the time buffer you get from making headshot kills is actually quite generous

so as long as you keep popping heads you can maintain the stacks without too much hassle

[formal cradle]

Ah yes I see

[thick kestrel]

it's why it gels nicely with the infantry lasguns and the vigilant autoguns which are very headshot friendly

[formal cradle]

currently ranking up helbore and i really like that gun

[thick kestrel]

also a solid canidate

the trick with marksman's focus though is that it ironically leans towards being stronger with high RoF weapons, which can benefit from the increased finesse "faster" as it were

[formal cradle]

so what are some must-have skills for vet, for any build?

[thick kestrel]

harder to maintain the stacks, but something like a recon lasgun or a Vraks mk5 IAG does rather well with it

[formal cradle]

does finesse increase charge speed of the helbore?

[thick kestrel]

alas no, Finesse covers your weakpoint and critial bonus damage

[formal cradle]

ah so it's only attack speed on melee

[thick kestrel]

also no...

this is one of those weird things which FS probably needs to look at

the finesse stat on melee weapons tends to be attack speed + crit/weakpoint stuff

but general finesse is only crit/weakpoint

it's a poor naming thing sadly

[tame lodge]

Demolition Stockpile
Precision Strikes
Iron Will

[thick kestrel]

and things which give you bonus finesse, even on melee weapons, will only provide crit/weakpoint bonuses

it's sadly a whole confusing thing ^^

[tame lodge]

There's couple others talents but I can't remember them all

[formal cradle]

thx

[thick kestrel]

I'd throw in tactical awareness (which you get on the way to iron will but... still...)

close order drill + confirmed kill are also very powerful survival nodes right at the top of the tree which are an easy low investment.

[formal cradle]

yeah seems good

[formal cradle]

yup thought of taking em

any skills that are just bad/don't do what they seem?

does out for blood increase toughness gains multiplicatively or additively based on max toughness?

[thick kestrel]

hrm... inspiring presense at the bottom of the tree tends to be tough to justify pick with much better nodes around it.

Grenadier tends to be a rough pick as well because demolition stockpile is so strong.

(and if you're going for stealth the utility of leave no one behind is very worth the consideration)

[regal belfry]

what is better infantry lasgun or mk 7 vigilant autogun

[placid portal]

mk7 is a fun pick

It has more zoom when ADS

also 100% weakspot crit damage blessing + headhunter and pop skulls

[thick kestrel]

generally the mk7 auto is better at the clicking heads playstyle overall, but the infantry lasguns do have their own specific charms if you gel well them nicely.

easier to justify a support blessing like ghost on them for example and they have excellent ammo economy which means the team can scoop up more packs for their own weapons. they've also got some nice maniac damage charactaristics which, combined with their reverse falloff, works rather well.

[placid portal]

I personally don't like infantry las because they jump more than Infantry Autoguns

also iirc autoguns have high weakspot and crit damage bonuses

[regal belfry]

i like the scope on the infantry lasguns a lot

[earnest bone]

you can turtle dodge, aka sit/move and dodge, but it gets old pretty fast

[placid portal]

true, but the infantry lasguns jump too much for it to have much benefit imo

[regal belfry]

i don't mind the recoil

[thick kestrel]

indeed, the vigi autoguns are much more crit and headshot focused, the infantry lasguns are a more versitile pick with some quality of life bonuses (magazine size, ammo supply, better scope). they do, as mentioned, bounce around if you spam fire a bit too hard which can make rapid shots for heads tricky

[placid portal]

I don't even think it's a recoil, the gun visual recoil just makes it annoying

[thick kestrel]

and it's worth clarifying that it's purely a visual effect, the actual hit location is static

but that doesn't help much shooting at moving targets ^^

[regal belfry]

really?

[thick kestrel]

yarp

[regal belfry]

wtf

should be more like recon then or not

[thick kestrel]

shrugs

it's one of the reasons the mg12/MkIX heavy las sometimes just feels better even if it's not the optimal pick