veteran-class

[stoic thorn]

I'm a quarter of an ogryn in cadian armour

[frank basin]

This is so tzeetch-ish

[stoic thorn]

Yeah

[dry cloak]

I have

[stoic thorn]

Tzeentch has decided to turn you into an incomprehensible tentacle monster paste

Or has he

[lofty nova]

bro does not look 25

[stoic thorn]

These will be 25 year olds in 2039

[lofty nova]

he looks like stress has beaten his ass over it's knee

[stoic thorn]

I mean it did

[frank basin]

Is like 38-43 to me

[stoic thorn]

Considering this mf has been KICKING before the heresy

[faint beacon]

This will be 25 year olds in 2006

[stoic thorn]

Chat we need to start

Conscripting children

Think of it as the Whiteshield program like the Cadians

[slow spade]

you look 45 at the age of 25 BUT you get a power halberd and power armor

[lofty nova]

we're not Russian tho

[stoic thorn]

But it's for babies

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-cat-warhammer40k-gif-23254825

[slow spade]

INFANTry

[stoic thorn]

Abbadon watching as Creed says "Release the infants" and 10000 Babies with laspistols open fire onto the chaos ranks

Another strategic win for Cadia

[lofty nova]

So if babys die in 40k do they go to nurgles garden ?

[frank basin]

Straight up tzeetch plan

Baby can walk and shoot sound like tzeetch

[lofty nova]

all born from Deamonculabra's ?

[stoic thorn]

No it's just

Regular babies

How abbadon deadass be looking like when Creed releases all the babies from the Cadian Hospitals

[lofty nova]

wait till he unlocks ultra instinct.

[hallow parrot]

omg what's with the disgusting performance in the mechanicus map?

[stoic thorn]

Which ine

[hallow parrot]

the uhh something oubliette

[stoic thorn]

Oh the

[hallow parrot]

the one with the hood guy

[stoic thorn]

Moebian steel one

[frank basin]

It is the Gloriana

[hallow parrot]

first time I do it, but jesus christ

[frank basin]

Foundryplex Gloriana

[hallow parrot]

game was constantly like stop and go at 30 fps

[stoic thorn]

Are you complaining about the PC performance or your teammates

[frank basin]

Performance

[hallow parrot]

the game's performance

[frank basin]

His pc is wack

[stoic thorn]

Would've been funny if you said both

[frank basin]

True

[hallow parrot]

never happened in any other map, and game works at 60 fps otherwise

[stoic thorn]

Clearly

Swagger has undone your blessings

[hallow parrot]

first time I do it though, no idea if that might have had to do with someone's connection or what

[stoic thorn]

Omnissiah fucking hates you

[frank basin]

My teammate and I died at the electric train station

Just by Hi-hounds

[stoic thorn]

Looks like SOMEONE didn't praise the omnissiah enough

[hallow parrot]

yeah no I couldn't find anything stand out which is why I asked

[frank basin]

Did you tweak Dlss setting?

Like performance mode

[hallow parrot]

I have it on balanced iirc

[frank basin]

And enable-boost

Check worker thread how much you tuned?

It inside Darktide launcher setting

[hallow parrot]

no wait, I have it on performance

I mean it's weird 'cause since last update game's been running markedly better for me, it even holds when there's hordes which is usually when it tanked before

[frank basin]

How many thread of your cpu?

[knotty veldt]

Does the initial shot with a double barrel benefit from the full bore blessing or is it ONLY for follow up shots after the first shot triggers the effect?

[hallow parrot]

my game is set at 6 worker threads, and my cpu is a 5600x which google says has 12 threads. I'll reiterate however, game runs fine everywhere else

[frank basin]

If your cpu has 12 thread make is 10 in-

[analog yacht]

The game is very inconsistent with this sort of thing. Surest answer is to test it yourself

[frank basin]

-Worker thread in launcher setting

[analog yacht]

Is setting worker threads over 50% actually recommended

[frank basin]

Not really yeah it does

He have issue with Gloriana map performance issue

Fps drop in that map

[analog yacht]

Hm

[hallow parrot]

less than fps drop it was like the game was pulsing

like 60 fps for half a second, then a half second stutter

consistent, all playthrough

[analog yacht]

Is this consistent across restarts

[hallow parrot]

it's the first time I play that map honestly

[frank basin]

I misread

[analog yacht]

Sometimes the game is just funky until you restart

[hallow parrot]

just wanted to ask in case there was some known problem with that map rn

[frank basin]

Gloriana kinda big map I think

[analog yacht]

I swear I read a v2 dev say on the steam forums that you should beware doing it at some point

[frank basin]

If you crank too high yeah it would eat all your memory usage

Like if you open browser and other applications

The game would run out of memory

Leave some space for that

[hallow parrot]

only OOM problem I've ever experienced was with the gun customization mod, which has a known leak

[frank basin]

Try update the file

[hallow parrot]

there's the possibility that the connection might have been sputtering, or even the background recording, I'll see if it reproduces next time I play that map I guess.

[frank basin]

The mod can be outdated if was before unlocked and loaded update

[hallow parrot]

oh I'm not running mods this time

[frank basin]

Okay

Test run on Gloriana

See if is did well fps

[hallow parrot]

one thing I'll say, I haven't had any disconnects so far, and I've played a handful of maps already

before it'd cut out the audio and either give an error or straight CTD, so far haven't had one of those

[frank basin]

You’ll get like above 60 fps when your dlss set performance

[hallow parrot]

yeah yeah dlss performance is running 60 fps mostly everywhere else

[frank basin]

I wonder if you make as balanced

Or quality for test run

[hallow parrot]

and again, this time didn't look like your normal frame drops from when the gpu is struggling

it was a weird stop and go all the way throughout the map regardless of the place or what was happening

just muscled through to see if it would go away but nope, start to finish

[frank basin]

I like to hear the result from your

Just to know does it work

[verbal burrow]

Thanks to Opening Salvo, that boils down to 346 damage. If you hit an unarmoured body part or a flak-armoured body part, that becomes 433. This is before factoring in any damage improvements from your talent tree.

[analog yacht]

Falter

[verbal burrow]

Yes, falter

[frank basin]

What if I shoot at reaper does it stagger?

[verbal burrow]

Go test it

What use is words when you can go shoot a Reaper in the face

[analog yacht]

Ghost tho

[hard cave]

Falter on the dmr autogun is really funny

You can full stagger a rager to the ground with a charged bash with the gun

and just fucking gun them while they're on the ground

[dry cloak]

Would headhunter+deadly accurste be better?

[tame lodge]

Pretty sure you can do that without Falter

💀

[verbal burrow]

Doesn't really matter when you can't select those for the Kantrael IX

[dry cloak]

Gameslantern begs to differ

[tame lodge]

Why the long face

[hard cave]

can someone confirm this,,,

[tame lodge]

[hard cave]

my ass thinking I stumbled on a alternative and fun playstyle

doesn't the stagger resistance increase with the difficulty?

or am I just filled with misinformation

[faint beacon]

Iirc no

[frank basin]

Yeah is good for a1 lasgun

[faint beacon]

Only time stagger resistance increases or decreases is two scenarios

Tox Bomb Buff

Burgle

[hard cave]

this is so sad

[dry cloak]

There is no such lasgun anymore@frank basin

[frank basin]

Any kind monstrosity

[hard cave]

I think every ranged weapon needs a bash

[faint beacon]

That’s a given minus DH

[thick kestrel]

well there is... it's just renamed. the "standard" lasgun loves HH/DA

[slow spade]

I think its your char gaining/losing Strength which increases stagger

[frank basin]

The shout stagger the boss you means?

[faint beacon]

Again it staggers everything

[thick kestrel]

and honestly the IX/MG12 works fine with HH/DA as well, it's a bit win more but it works fine

[hard cave]

what if both ragers kissed

[faint beacon]

Man… Black ops 6 Zombies be so good when you don’t got a bitch in ya ear telling you it’s bad cause it’s not Black ops 3 🚬

[umbral scaffold]

Shout is pretty much op as is, if anything that’s the first thingg to be nerfed, wether it be no stagger on bosses or no gold toughness it’s going to be one of the two

[verbal burrow]

The Kantrael really needs Surgical tbh

[tame lodge]

Path can confirm

[grand perch]

I can too, do it all the time

[faint beacon]

Fucking yet again

[wicked epoch]

why are you scared of Galeo

hes a good magos

what did Galeo do

[faint beacon]

Reminding me to test Falter

[wicked epoch]

thought you were scared of the magos

[faint beacon]

No he’s cool

[wicked epoch]

ok but why are you scared of tyberos

hes loyal

[faint beacon]

Have you noticed my PFP yet

[wicked epoch]

totally no geneseed imperfections in his chapter no

[frank basin]

He’s a shark

Gale is a shark sona

[wicked epoch]

lowkey i just thought it was a dude

[faint beacon]

We call it ironic based humor

[wicked epoch]

i lack knowledge

[umbral scaffold]

Yes @faint beacon we know you got a furry pfp we get it

🫃

[wicked epoch]

my thoughts exactly

is it a furry thing if its a shar

[tame lodge]

Path locked in making the guide

[frank basin]

His pfp is muscular iron legion trooper

[wicked epoch]

fishy

fishy wishy

[hard cave]

male preg,,,,so sugoi,,,,

[frank basin]

Like steve roger

[faint beacon]

He tapped out on testing Falter Stagger BPs

Lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Let’s be honest if his name is purple pink / violet he is spending money on nitro

[faint beacon]

I’m willing to do it

[frank basin]

It is a nitronian

He boost the server

:3

[wicked epoch]

i remade my vet powersword shout angry man build out of memory

[faint beacon]

Because I like Darktide

[wicked epoch]

imma show it because im ot sure if it stacks well anymore

its still fun tho

[faint beacon]

It’s that simple

[hard cave]

no you don't get it gale, you HAVE to take the furry slop bait

[verbal burrow]

Finny

[frank basin]

Gale is only a furry?

[faint beacon]

I have to constantly remind people I’m a furry even though I let people usually recognize it unless they’re genuinely clueless

[frank basin]

🤯

[wicked epoch]

i remade it out of memory guys im not sure if its still decent, it feels pretty damn good tho

did it not send

oh no

heresy

[hard cave]

warhammer needs more unapologetic furry slop fan art

[faint beacon]

Is discord like dying

[frank basin]

I guess not

[umbral scaffold]

Love the fucking pfp man gives big ball vibes

[wicked epoch]

i tried sending 6 pics and it just didnt

[frank basin]

World did not end yet

[umbral scaffold]

[wicked epoch]

thaniks mate cadia stands

[faint beacon]

Listen here bub, I will subject my sona through the horrors of 40k

[wicked epoch]

how are these

[hard cave]

me when my stupid fucking cat boy psyker dies

[umbral scaffold]

Cadia fell harder then the emperors warp addiction but to each their own

[wicked epoch]

say that to my voice of command i dare you

[faint beacon]

Good

[umbral scaffold]

You’re late to that party bud, have you seen the degenerative art work online?

[faint beacon]

Is it good I haven’t

[umbral scaffold]

I run 3 stamina for my vet on all 3

Cause stamina is nice to have

[hard cave]

theyre so cool,,,,

[umbral scaffold]

With my Crit Helbore

[faint beacon]

Cause I literally just love the theme

[wicked epoch]

true but 210 toughness is so cool

[faint beacon]

I’ve read up on it etc

[umbral scaffold]

I think 200 is too much for shout vets imo

[wicked epoch]

hows this for the talent tree

[faint beacon]

Just I refuse to do shit like that with themes I’m passionate about

[wicked epoch]

i just really like toughness

[umbral scaffold]

I can offer a build for your shout vet you might perform diff but it should help mroe

[wicked epoch]

i really love it actually

[faint beacon]

Hear me out 17% toughness curious

Fucking 243 on my Vet lmao

[wicked epoch]

i like mine alot because the way i play is just so goofy i

but thanks tho

[frank basin]

I always bring 1 wounds curio on non-ogryn character

[wicked epoch]

the way i play is literally just run into a crowd

power sword everything

krak the obese people

bolt pistol whatever

shout the ragers

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-26034393

[wicked epoch]

real honestly

[frank basin]

3 17% toughness on ogryn trying maxing out the toughness

[faint beacon]

I have that combo just

[frank basin]

I don’t think would work

[faint beacon]

21% HP and 1 16%

[umbral scaffold]

Try this

[frank basin]

21% is rare number

[faint beacon]

Still fucking waiting for another 17%

[hard cave]

I have a few 21 health

[wicked epoch]

is it good for running into crowds

[umbral scaffold]

It’s a shout buiold it’s going to

[hard cave]

I also have two 3 stamina curios in my vet locker

[umbral scaffold]

My sniper build runs 3 stamina

[faint beacon]

I will now heavily judge you for skipping out on iron will

[wicked epoch]

ok

[umbral scaffold]

Ok and?

🫃

[frank basin]

Is looking to me run double barrel and power sword (your favorite) switchero combat

[umbral scaffold]

This is just one build I’m off somewhere I can’t test stuff rn

[hard cave]

Iron will is good tho

[umbral scaffold]

It is not denying that

[faint beacon]

I’m just saying, iron will

Giving you stupid damage reduction

[umbral scaffold]

Here I’ll re Adjust the build 🙄

[hard cave]

lol

[frank basin]

Why tactical reload and not out for blood? @umbral scaffold

[wicked epoch]

I quite like trench fighter

its fun to do

[verbal burrow]

That is the norm

[umbral scaffold]

This is my should build I run

[verbal burrow]

Bro we are going to be good friends if you like toughness

[umbral scaffold]

Out for blood is weak

[wicked epoch]

man i love toughness

[umbral scaffold]

Only 5% on all forms of toughness gain? Not enough

Plus shout out paces that skill so it’s a wasted slot

[wicked epoch]

i want toughness on everything

[hard cave]

me whennn

me wheb

[umbral scaffold]

Just spam shout

[hard cave]

two vets with voc shouting at me,,,,,

[umbral scaffold]

Shout is broken as shit rn just spam it till they nerf it

[wicked epoch]

i want to keep shouting

[umbral scaffold]

That’s my point

Cool down reductions and shit

[serene bough]

is it possible to lose a game w/ >2 VoC vets

[wicked epoch]

how to pick up sister of battle GF

step 1: hit shout
step 2: profit

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

If you play stupid yes

[wicked epoch]

no because cadia never fell

cadia stands

[umbral scaffold]

Cause sadly people don’t build right or they spam in the wrong times

[wicked epoch]

people like that lost us cadia

[umbral scaffold]

Had games with randoms which I only play in and pretty much it’s just like that as such…. They don’t know when to use shout effectively

[frank basin]

Melee like 10% toughness gain you’ll make like 15%

[umbral scaffold]

Mainly Xbox players but that’s not the point , I’ve seen Xbox players still perform better over pc players, granted they ran easy weapons like plasma gun but still

[frank basin]

5% on ranged give

[umbral scaffold]

Again… if you’re a about build you won’t need that

[umbral scaffold]

My sniper build offers toughness without that here I’ll share my talents rn on it

[frank basin]

If you run sniper then you won’t need yeah just run exhilarating takedown if you’re good headshotting

[faint beacon]

You’re now basically unkillable, also Agile Engage is slept on, it’s great for aggressive WS builds

[serene bough]

confirmed kill is the best and exhil takedown is the weakest of the 3 top nodes

OfB is a good node to grab

[faint beacon]

Personally I’m one to run rending strikes but it’s not the end of the world to not run it

[faint beacon]

I’m just shouting at you in general

[frank basin]

There is two squirrels? I thought you changed your name.

[frank basin]

So you run as specialize elite-special killing?

[serene bough]

lol that is not me

[hard cave]

I think smoke gernades need a buff

[umbral scaffold]

Yes cause stacks benifit both me and my team

It’s that good of a set up

[serene bough]

looks like an imposter to me honestly

[umbral scaffold]

Free stamina and toughness daily

Yes I don’t have the “toughness perk”

But I don’t rush in blindly to rely on it

It only helps with 2-3. Shots on gunners too for my set up

[frank basin]

Which gun you’re using?

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore

[hard cave]

itd be better if you removed either damage or toughness stack for ironwill

[umbral scaffold]

Head Hunter “tan”

[faint beacon]

What weapon you run with that build cause I’ll admit marksman paired with Exe is really fun but passing out on Superiority Complex is eyebrow raising imo

[verbal burrow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5c9912-2913-4226-b335-e8d48f52599d/captain-toughness-2

[frank basin]

That slow ass draw time 😭 I still use it

[faint beacon]

One Motion:

[frank basin]

This one nicer

[frank basin]

IS FEEL SLOW

[green willow]

my beloved blue headhunter

[umbral scaffold]

But what does superiority complex offer

[faint beacon]

15% elite damage

[umbral scaffold]

Like stat wise

[frank basin]

15% dmg to elite

[faint beacon]

Always static

So to both melee and ranged

[umbral scaffold]

Not good break point, is it good! YEA but power is better

20% when I use my ability

[frank basin]

With 10% elite dmg perk it be 25%

[faint beacon]

You’re smoking something if you think it doesn’t assist with BPs

[green willow]

it just works

[umbral scaffold]

But I reach break points alreayd with my build

[faint beacon]

HHAs and Boltpistol it helps

[umbral scaffold]

And I get 12% flat on my spot perk

[verbal burrow]

Irrelevant as it’s the best thing on the way to that divine +10% toughness damage resistance node

[frank basin]

What 12%? Stamina regeneration?

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not irrelevant

20% power is better over 15% elite damage

20% power is for ALL enemies

On my ability activation

For 10

Seconds

[frank basin]

Oh the marksman node?

[umbral scaffold]

YES

and shout

[faint beacon]

Me and path literally have come to the conclusion of Superiority was in place of fully loaded it would’ve changed so much for left side tree

[umbral scaffold]

And invis

[frank basin]

If you score weak spot good then yes it benefit you

[faint beacon]

Yes but for a period of time vs

Now hear me out

[frank basin]

Passively

[umbral scaffold]

Yeh I get 90% headshot count on my sniper build

[faint beacon]

Always up passively

[frank basin]

15% elite damage is passive no need active or do anything just passive

[verbal burrow]

Irrelevant to me unless you restore my right wrist to mint condition. I count my stars if I hit center of mass

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t think you get how the damage set up is maybe you can also look at the spotter perk too….

[faint beacon]

Helps with melee BPs if you need them

[umbral scaffold]

I mean to each their own

[stoic thorn]

Has anyone actually experimented with soundpad in darktide

Thinking of using Soundpad to blast thick of it when I find my team to be... lacking.

[frank basin]

I downloaded zealot FoF ability voiceline

Put on sound pad

[verbal burrow]

You are asking us to ignore +15% vs all elites in favor of something that is only active if you hit the head within 10 seconds of a toughness shout

[stoic thorn]

I already blast thick of it in Tf2

[faint beacon]

You can get banned if it’s too loud but it does work just

Careful

[stoic thorn]

I'm like a slaaneshi cultist but this shit actually poisoning the god

[umbral scaffold]

Why are you trying to argue with a build that I have set up for damage alreayd and Crit and finess bonus for melee ontop of the fact that the build hits break points without the need for more damage on elites for SNIPER weapons

[tame lodge]

I will personally travel through your optic fiber cable to shut your computer off

[stoic thorn]

KSI has singlehandedly prevented the birth of Slaanesh

I am actively going fucking insane

[verbal burrow]

I am not discussing your build whatsoever

[stoic thorn]

I am building the thick of it resistance

[faint beacon]

Elites are literally 50%+ of what you should be engaging anyways

[stoic thorn]

Is this how daemonhosts feel like

[terse idol]

5% difference

For 10 seconds

[stoic thorn]

Wheres my fucking scripture

[faint beacon]

Yes smudgels

[frank basin]

Wdym 5% of 10 second?

[umbral scaffold]

Oh lol it’s smudges XD

Guys look up what power is and also just do tests live and in the meat grinder on the damage diff of 15% elite vs 20% power

[faint beacon]

He means +5% increase for 10 seconds vs static 15%

[frank basin]

Oh

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[faint beacon]

Yes I know what power is you’re talking to a level 730 Veteran

[umbral scaffold]

Power effects everything overall and for sniper weapons as the aforementioned Helbore and Headhunter “tan” jt already reaches break points without the need for Elite damage

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[umbral scaffold]

I never asked your level

[terse idol]

Like, I dunno after glancing at it like,
I mean i agree, it's just not worth it it's why the 15% vs elites is betterrr
(Honrstly you should take both)

[slow spade]

exclusive sedition player UwU

[faint beacon]

True

Clearly I don’t know what I’m talking about

[umbral scaffold]

I alreayd have spotter for bonus damage

[lofty nova]

so why doesn't anyoen take the 10% Melee damage to elites perk ? seeing as it would apply to all ?

[terse idol]

Just take both

[faint beacon]

By basis scenario

[hard cave]

love this skin

[faint beacon]

Knife is Kino with it

[frank basin]

Mechanicus knife skin?

The red knife?

[faint beacon]

No the +10% Elite perk

Flak/Elite is really damn good on Knives

[frank basin]

Ahuh

So precog or those?

I means those is uncanny

[umbral scaffold]

But why take both when break points are met without the elite damage perk

[frank basin]

Goddamn Tanner Lindberg posting “uncanny not strong but precog do”

But this time he’s not abrasive

[terse idol]

But then you're saying you don't need the BP without the 20% power on ult activation

[faint beacon]

It’s with Uncanny

[tame lodge]

Sharp candy cane

[terse idol]

You take both for the 20% extra damage for bosses or things that you don't get the BP for i suppose

[frank basin]

What’s with precog?

[faint beacon]

You literally drop 20% when it is down

[terse idol]

So you can kill elites with the flat 15% without ult

[tame lodge]

Where's Waldo looking ass knife

[faint beacon]

Precog + Recip iirc

[terse idol]

And then also have 20% damage for everything else

For 10 seconds

[frank basin]

You’re dealing lot elite

Bosses not so much

[terse idol]

You get consistant damage for 15% elites and thennn

[faint beacon]

Besides like the funniest combo you can do is Mercy + Uncanny + Serrated talent on Vet 🚬

[terse idol]

20% damage for everything else like manics

[faint beacon]

Smudgels

Ragers are Elites

[primal dune]

That is quite fun, i run it sometimes with mk6 knife

[frank basin]

If he play histg let him use 20% power

[terse idol]

Like muties

[umbral scaffold]

I’m not Tanner but if you wish to label me as such I’m just going to leave then since it seems you think 5% mroe toughness is good when you alreayd have shout

[faint beacon]

Muties are specials

[terse idol]

They are maniac though right?

[faint beacon]

Yes

But they’re specials

[umbral scaffold]

They are maniac but count as specials

[terse idol]

Okay whew

[slow spade]

muties are carapace UwU

[umbral scaffold]

They are special units

[frank basin]

I do not means yourself are tanner I’m just saying there’s Tanner Lindberg video saying “uncanny is not strong and precog is good; and he’s not act abrasive”

[faint beacon]

Do you not know the difference?

Like of Elite vs Special

[terse idol]

I dooo

I'm just not sure lmao

[slow spade]

one is stun asshole, the other is damage asshole UwU

[faint beacon]

Specials always have sounds when they spawn

[umbral scaffold]

I rather only listen to take small points of the dude other then that he just does short term rage bait content that sadly isn’t doing much for anyone other then a means to use his mental illness as an excuse to call people slurs

[faint beacon]

Elites naturally spawn in wandering or during events there’s no warning basically

[frank basin]

Eh they just seperated class

Elite and special just seperated class

[slow spade]

which a huge bitch

god I fucking hate patrols

[umbral scaffold]

Specials give Audio cues all the time to inform the player , their goal is to stun or dispatch the enemy while elites are there for initial damage

[faint beacon]

The devious 20 Dreg rager patrol:

[frank basin]

Hu-ya hu-ya hu-ya RAAAAAAARRGH.

[frank basin]

My ogryn rumbler:

[slow spade]

you knew the exact patrol too UwU

[umbral scaffold]

Elites are 70 percent of the special enemy pool but your gun will kill Ragers, gunners, shotguners, and bulwurk/ reapers easily

[faint beacon]

Mauler patrols are fucking hilarious also

[umbral scaffold]

Maulers and crushers are only tanky elite enemies and even then are easy with certain weapons

[slow spade]

true

[terse idol]

But that is certainly more reason to take the 15% damage to elite node then

[slow spade]

crusher and mauler patrols have killed me before

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve noticed like 15 of them in one patrol

[faint beacon]

This is why I run Superiority

[umbral scaffold]

No it’s not

Only for melee weapons yes

[frank basin]

I saw patrol of dreg gunners and I shoot my rumbler onto it

[umbral scaffold]

But your melee weapon will either be going crowd control

Or single target damage

The elite damage is just an oomph to boost some form of weapon but power is king

[slow spade]

or both Rashad noises

[umbral scaffold]

20% power is far better over 15 elite

[terse idol]

It just applies to both, and also if I want to get picky like yeah rashad is wacky

[frank basin]

NOT THE RASAHD

[umbral scaffold]

Power effects cleave, stun

[slow spade]

yeah I only get the +15% damage to elite node to get to the 0.25 stam delay node

[terse idol]

I dislike conditional, I mean its nice when you need it

[umbral scaffold]

Even if its ability activated you use your ability a lot

[terse idol]

But like it just exists as 0%

When you dooont have it

[frank basin]

Shout ability is constant use in horde fight

[terse idol]

Unless you're playing like

Hunting grounds

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah but you le way your build either way to deal with elites fairly well from flak damage perks or blessings to deal damage

[frank basin]

And yes my only weakness to rumbler

[umbral scaffold]

The small dogs are super weak they dotn need elite damage

[terse idol]

You don't spam voc to keep up the 20% as consistently as just having a flat 15% for both your ranged and melee but again

I'm not saying you don't need it

I'm saying you typically spam voc in hunting grounds more so than a histg

[frank basin]

I miss sustain fire feats on volley fire ability

It was my fantasy of machine gunner recon and agripinna braced auto

[faint beacon]

Elites are fucking everywhere in HISTG as well

[frank basin]

About 80% you encounter them

[slow spade]

High Intensity anything really

[faint beacon]

Just saying it’s smarter to instantly drop them

[frank basin]

I once queue Gloriana and there train power room lots of scab gunner and no teammate take it down but too busy dealing trash horde

Is hi-hounds

[terse idol]

Like sure if in this scenario your weapon already kills elites in 1 shot without 15% elite damage node you can skip it like if that's the first point of contact in this discussion I can see why you wouldn't take it

[frank basin]

My only rumbler can stop for temporary staggering

[terse idol]

For the majooority of folksnare gonna take it

ALSO

If the elites get buffed by the funny nurgle fart gas grenade

You want booooth

[frank basin]

From tox bomber they quite annoying threat

[slow spade]

well to be fair, there's a lot of full auto guns that are popular too

[terse idol]

In the case for full auto guns definetly take it

[knotty veldt]

is there any set distance for whats counted as "point blank"?

[frank basin]

Columnus assy gassy

[frank basin]

5m something

[knotty veldt]

is that the same for all weapons?

[frank basin]

To 0m

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t use the power for shout I’m saying you can use it, for that purpose alone

[frank basin]

What question you’re asking point blank? On the blessing?

[umbral scaffold]

But if you’re letting enemy’s get buffed by the dreg bomber then you’re not prioritizing targets

He is the worse specialist as he is the most dangerous imo

[faint beacon]

I’m just going to say check pinned

[terse idol]

I mean

[knotty veldt]

specifically the Lethal Proximity blessing for bolt pistol

[umbral scaffold]

Buffing enemies to take less cleave

Do more damage

[faint beacon]

There’s a reason we’ve been stressing Superiority

[terse idol]

Sometimes he's just far enough away to throw a grenaee

[umbral scaffold]

Is a number 1 priority target

[terse idol]

That you won't see

Like he is the most dangerous

And also has the similar if not the same ai to the grenadier

[frank basin]

Ah that yeah is feel like 3m something, if weapon said close range is 12m

[umbral scaffold]

I get that but that doesn’t happen all the time

[terse idol]

And typically they get off a grenade in their life

Yeag

[knotty veldt]

is the explosion noticable? theres a lot i wanna try but im resource broke for testing XD

[terse idol]

Yeah

[frank basin]

Download mod; loadout config

[terse idol]

It affects grenades too

[frank basin]

Huh?

[terse idol]

Lethal proximity increases explosion radius

It affects grenades

[frank basin]

Woah

Fs blessing bug

[terse idol]

Bistiol grenadier build goes hard

[hearty panther]

yea its global for some reason

[terse idol]

Kiiinda?

It just says "explosion radius"

[hearty panther]

i can understand that working when the gun is out

it makes less sense when it just works at all times

[frank basin]

They miscoded forgot explosion radius specifically for bistol

[hearty panther]

including boosting the crusher special on zealot

[knotty veldt]

im going for a chainsword and pistol vet weapon specialist build for fun, with constant switching between. Assuming an auto crit, which is the best overal the revolver or bolt pistol you think? Leaning toward bolt pistol both for fun and for the massive bonus from deadly accurate blessing which revolver doent seem to get but the relvover is muuch snapper to pull out aim and fire

[terse idol]

Revolver benefits from handcannon

Which is the equivalent to DA

[slow spade]

I like to think its intentional

makes me think Fatshark wanted fun for once

[frank basin]

I don’t know they didn’t explain it

[terse idol]

Imo, Revolver for WS

[frank basin]

The description just make peep think only apply weapon

[slow spade]

do they ever?

[terse idol]

But if you're looking for fun grenadier bistol

Lethal proximity, and run and gun

[knotty veldt]

does the explosion benefit from the crit?

[terse idol]

Noo i don't think so? I think it's just the initial damage

[faint beacon]

Don’t listen to him he stinks do MF just to prove a point

[terse idol]

If puncture doesn't apply an AOE when you shoot a bistol into a horde I doubt it gets affected by crit

[faint beacon]

Send a message

[terse idol]

[frank basin]

I use bistol with LP as staggering tool

Quite controlling crowd

It would be too good if puncture apply bleed on AOe

[tough tiger]

Bistol 💥🔫

[knotty veldt]

which i better vs carapce, revolver with the rending blessing or bistol with deadly accurate?, again assuming both auto crit

[tough tiger]

Rev

[terse idol]

Revolver

[tough tiger]

Nothing compares tp hand cannon

[frank basin]

Rending do Huge damage on armor unit

[knotty veldt]

what exactly is rending is it just straight up percentage AP? i remember trying a rending blessing on revolver before im sure and didnt notice much difference

[frank basin]

Damage modifier against armor

Just more damage against armor enemy

Brittleness has similar but it reduce enemy armor value to teammate

[knotty veldt]

so is 60 rending just 60% more damage vs armor? and is that 60% applied at base or after other modifiers?

[frank basin]

160% against armor dmg

Yeah

With rending strike make 170%

Combine Flak or carapace make 195%

Overkill

[arctic rampart]

Bolt pistol is currently just a worse zarona right my understanding is because hand cannon (60% rending) is much stronger

[frank basin]

Is good on unarmored target

And reaper too

On carapace not great

[terse idol]

Play grenadier

It's also just a sidegrade

When youuu build the BP's it performs pretty well

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[terse idol]

15 round magazine, one tap gunners..

[sturdy herald]

This isn't actually entirely correct.

[arctic rampart]

I don't use either of those weapons just trying to summarize to help the op 🙂 my trigger discipline is terrible so I use other guns

[terse idol]

With great difficulty because it's a pretty expensive talent tree node

[sturdy herald]

From the amazing guide in the pinned comments (seriously, give it a read) --

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-logo-star-wars-logo-star-wars-title-title-gif-16618549050675138975

[sturdy herald]

**tl;dr: **Rending ignores armor up to 100%, any rending past that applies extra damage at a fourth the value.

[frank basin]

You read the cat pfp made the guide

You’re true follower of cauliflower head cat

[faint beacon]

Think of rending as armor bypass in extremely simple terms

[slow spade]

rending increases damage

no further info needed UwU

[faint beacon]

I still gotta give him those Falter BPs

Lmao

I’ll do it when I’m home

[frank basin]

Do you need me test it for you?

[ancient path]

i love google ai search

[tame lodge]

Vets shouted so much they confused the AI

[frank basin]

Here your ammo shouty

[faint beacon]

You’re good I’ll get them here soon

[earnest bone]

wat scam is dis

[frank basin]

Google A.I

Tech heresy from imperium perspective

[ancient path]

lets see if chatgpt knows what the zealot abilities are

[faint beacon]

As yes the preacher class

[orchid hemlock]

@radiant chasm

[tame lodge]

Infiltrate as a blitz though 💀

[ancient path]

its kinda right. point to chatgpt.

(i forgot the charge ability was called and im at work so sites are blocked)

[oblique sparrow]

Yeah Bolt Pistols are way better at killing gunners squads

Which you should be doing as the vet

[slow spade]

na the brainburst psyker got this

[oblique sparrow]

Oh I meant like the non elite ranged infantry squads

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-darktide-explode-warhammer-40k-gif-7567690485009069789

[ancient path]

ya you have to be very specific sometimes.

[slow spade]

such is life

[slow spade]

should have used VoC UwU

[oblique sparrow]

Also Bristol looks better

[hollow ibex]

stuff like chatgpt are pretty bad for factual questions

(unless you have it explicitly search the internet)

[frank basin]

Rampage anti-AI technology online protest

[slow spade]

the secret to preventing the AI uprising is making it braindead

masterful move

[frank basin]

Never age of strife

[slow spade]

Men of Iron but they can't pathfind through a straight road

[frank basin]

Iron warrior and men of iron both of them iron

[faint beacon]

Let’s simply brainrot the AI

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-kawaii-cute-skibidi-toilet-sanrio-gif-5667734693016939544

[slow spade]

I love the Gen Alpha version of Fallout New Vegas

"Dead ass war stays the same, on god"

[cold berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upPgmxw-rfg

[cold berry]

wide boi

[ancient path]

ai is kind of okay for fact questions. just depends on how it can get the information lol. better than google these days. google gives you bad ai, then advertisements, then maybe like a forum response from 2003.

i ask chatgpt dumb things all the time.

i even named the chat appropriately.

getting specific things from a video game is prob not it, but its good at other things.

[hallow parrot]

lk impressed with the agri vag

[ancient path]

veteran cant stop winning; best class in the game lets go.

[slow spade]

"GPT can Chaos win?"

[ancient path]

i dont know shit about 40k and im playing a dark heresy ttrpg game and i ask it this kinda stuff all the time.

[frank basin]

30k millennium is where Horus there

40k is post Horus

[slow spade]

the funniest thing is to play with a lore nerd and someone that has no idea about the lore. But you let the newbie take control of choices

my brother tried to attack a fucking Eldar Solitaire

[ancient path]

the group im in is a bunch of 40k lore nerds and they go on rants about the lexitrium longdickatitus magistratum 50th brigrade of brother commander lexus childmurderertius and i just quickly alt tab to chatgpt and go "who the fuck"

[orchid hemlock]

This has to be bait https://youtu.be/ictQD_KFQ0I?si=6X3mibHkqfXiSBNo

[slow spade]

"Archmagos? I think we can take it" we're armed with lasguns and a bolter

[ancient path]

thats me because i dont know what the hell that is.

[hallow parrot]

I mean title card looks pretty serious

[slow spade]

think the Eldar equal to a Custodes in combat

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/vldl-vldlnpcman-vldlmuggers-gif-19326569

[frank basin]

Elder are space elves

[hallow parrot]

horny space elves

[frank basin]

Elves are stereotype agile dexterity being

[green willow]

@scenic lodge GG. what's your power sword build?

[frank basin]

Like best assassin

[ancient path]

weak players always making elves dex characters when you could be a chad strength elf.

[frank basin]

Orc elf

Lol

[ancient path]

i know some things about 40k but clearly not enough with these people. i like the old world fantasy more thanks to total war

[orchid hemlock]

@lavish token

[ancient path]

the best.

[tame lodge]

It must be
Don't fall for it

[frank basin]

https://youtu.be/eExoHe4XxvA?si=QZkcVV3QiSsVGpe7

[slow spade]

yeah but its fun to fight things in 40k and understand just how fucked you actually are fighting it (then you 1-shot it)

[ancient path]

thats completely fair. its like when i was playing baldurs gate 3 with non d&d players.

[slow spade]

in Rogue Trader, I fought a Greater Daemon and it died on the first player's move

6 player team btw

[ancient path]

and my friends would go "who the fuck is elminster? im going to fight him."

and im like aite bet.

[slow spade]

we knew who he was and still tried to kill him

sadly you can't

[ancient path]

iirc the elminster you meet is just a siralacrum(sc)

[ancient path]

unfortunate.

im still sad that drizzt isnt in the game so i can mug him for his swords again

its tradition

[slow spade]

yeah :c

[frank basin]

Baldur gate?

[slow spade]

yeah

[ancient path]

ya

[frank basin]

Oh

[slow spade]

if you don't fuck around and find out, is it really the BG3 experience?

[frank basin]

Guess I’m going cheat play on shadow run Hong Kong

[slow spade]

good luck c:

[ancient path]

at least youre playing that fantastic game

[ancient path]

extremely true.

"ayyo i'll fuck you up" -- me, the mixmax'd monk before people grew onto the meta.

[frank basin]

https://youtu.be/W9G29sV_DKg?si=Jd5DaH3FlC_RpDpF

[slow spade]

the ONLY thing we didn't try is the cringe mindflayerpowers

[ancient path]

SR:HK and DF are so good

[ancient path]

damn right.

[slow spade]

because that stuff is weird so we just burned them all

[ancient path]

because the emperor is a hoe.

[slow spade]

true

[frank basin]

Did I remember you can just fuck the Cthulhu head alien?

[slow spade]

we had to find a bunch of weird ways to get rid o them because Larian kept making harder to destroy

[slow spade]

yes you can

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-wow-clapping-xqc-clapping-xqc-wow-gif-18258764

[slow spade]

in our blind run, we tried trusting him because he doesn't do anything too weird

then he flipped the fuck out when we said "we're just going to kill the big bad evil guy"

apparently that wouldn't solve all the issues for him

[terse idol]

Smmhh

[terse idol]

"Do you realize how little that narrows things down"
Wait which the ||big brain?||

[slow spade]

yeah the big brain

[terse idol]

Well yeah he'd be pissed

It was only under the absolutes control because of the funny rocks

[slow spade]

apparently he didn't think we would win and decided to join the big brain

jokes on him, the big brain (and him) died in 1 turn each

[terse idol]

[slow spade]

the secret is explosives

"wait isn't there a gunpowder factory in the city"

Problem Solver obtained (a chest filled with 10k weight of explosives)

we had to use a scroll for the funny shield of invincibility

or I'm pretty sure we would have died

[waxen maple]

PC4 and BM still best blessings on a power sword? or is it something else these days?

[faint beacon]

God trying to do my run was so fucking funny

[arctic rampart]

yes

[faint beacon]

We stole the whole barrel of runepowder

[waxen maple]

nice, which mark would you recommend?

[arctic rampart]

sunder is interesting but if you can hit heads just worse than BM.

[faint beacon]

And kept fucking saving during fights to nuke it before playing seriously

[slow spade]

mk6

[slow spade]

my favorite is nuking the goblin camp c:

so much dice rolls at once

instant fps killer

[waxen maple]

interesting, how come? I've only ever used Mk3

[arctic rampart]

I actually like mk3 w/ weapon specialist and plasma. I can't get away from slide activations of PS. But mk6 has that push block so I'd recommend that one generally.

[slow spade]

to be begin with, mk6 is strictly superior to mk3 due to weird balance changes

[arctic rampart]

The lights on mk6 are simpler for horde clear. heavy are fun on mk6 but not appreciably more powerful even with sunder

[waxen maple]

i'll swing them both in the meat grinder and find out i guess, but appreciate any pointers too

[slow spade]

mk6 has -25% block cost, horde clear on light attacks, a better push attack, and can animation cancel to speed up charging

[outer wolf]

What's the bolt pistol dump stat?

[faint beacon]

Comically large rune explosion

[sleek garden]

My friend and I would stack explosive barrels to throw at the camp

[narrow bay]

Mobility + collateral or just mobility

[arctic rampart]

zarona

[outer wolf]

Got this 80s on everything but 60 on collateral, sounds good?

[outer wolf]

Tired of zarona

[slow spade]

should be fine

Collatereal is mostly for staggering bulwarks

[tame lodge]

[arctic rampart]

fast laspistol could be fun alternative, or maybe boltgun if you really want to diverge

[outer wolf]

laspistol is my main gun on psyker atm and boltgun is so slow it makes me go mad.

[narrow bay]

Useable indeed, collateral controls your stagger factor and suppression. It already has very high base for those, so unless you hate not being able to easily open bulwarks then its great

[waxen maple]

just tested it, and Mk3 has endless diagonal lights while Mk6 is horz->horz->diagonal->steep

is it really that big an advantage over the Mk3?

the stab push attack is nice though

[slow spade]

yes because you attack faster on lights

[waxen maple]

ah

[slow spade]

most importantly, check the damage between light and heavy attack when charged. Notice they're basically the same

[grand perch]

ive never tried applying onslaught with the fastest firing ilas, is it even remotely viable for IIb lasgun?

[outer wolf]

Great, thanks. Will try with this, finally we can try without suffering on resources so... worth a try

[hollow ibex]

nah not worth

[slow spade]

light attacks are basically better than heavy for P-sword

[arctic rampart]

for months heavies did less damage than lights even lul

[waxen maple]

alright then

[slow spade]

yeah idk why they made heavies so bad

[waxen maple]

frankly i'm not good enough to min max in either tide game >.> just gonna take the pros' words for it XD

[slow spade]

like mk3 is just strictly inferior for some reason

[arctic rampart]

I can't seem to stop using dueling sword now

[slow spade]

its just Fatshark making weird balance decisions again

[tame lodge]

Pretty sure you can loop those first lights with
Light Light Special

On the mk6

[waxen maple]

ah yeah that was gonna be my next question actually, when to charge vs when not to charge the sword

thanks

[slow spade]

you can, I personally do Light Light, Push/special so I can be safe while attacking AND charging my weapon

[arctic rampart]

basically always charge the sword, unless its already charged.

[narrow bay]

For help on what the dumps are usually, remember in this order. Mobility, Defenses, then collateral, if a gun has both of any of these then try to get 70 in both.

[waxen maple]

thanks fellas

[slow spade]

mk6 can charge while blocking/pushing so you can weave in blocks/pushes to charge and attack

its actually surprisingly fluid to use

[outer wolf]

Mobility is usually my way to go, but on bolters I always have that doubt

[narrow bay]

Which mk6? Dueling sword?

[slow spade]

Mk6 power sword

[waxen maple]

this is gonna take some getting used to

i always run into the issue of the sword uncharging hella fast in gameplay

[slow spade]

3 swings per charge with power cycler 4

[waxen maple]

well, until i got this new power cycler one i guess :P

[slow spade]

its not that bad when you consider how much output each swing does

[arctic rampart]

I dunno why but fatshark makes mobility not quite a dump stat on weapon so be sure you're getting maximum dodges whether its ranged or melee. E.g. on dueling sword mk4 60% mobility gets you 4 dodges instead of 5. Now if you sit agile on it that doesn't matter as much but otherwise you'd always want 5 dodges. Make sure to check dodges before spending mats.

[waxen maple]

yeah i imagine it's a massive game changer XD

[slow spade]

I'd argue its one of the best blessings in the game with the only competition being Uncanny and Brutal Momentum lol

[narrow bay]

You lose your extra dodge at or below 53-56 on most weapons, so always better. Expecially on guns. Plasma you cant dump on anything, you need 70 charge/70 thermal resist as "Dump" thats pretty much the only exception.

[arctic rampart]

Are you getting hit? There was 1-2 patches after unloaded major patch hit where PS would de-activate much more frequently, and there was bug where re'activating when activated already didn't actually refresh. Both of those got put back to normal in the last hotfix though.

[slow spade]

yeah Psword turns off if your attack combo is interrupted

[narrow bay]

Uncanny is only good if precog isnt in the mix, unless you are stacking bleed + burn dots. Then yes it is great

[slow spade]

fuck crushers though

[arctic rampart]

If you don't charge plasma you have extra dump stats. Get to max heat => dump heat button => fire twice => dump heat button => fire twice => repeat.

Use hipfire, no charging. In 90% situations its the most ideal way to use it

[slow spade]

if you use blaze away, don't do this though

as it removes your blaze away stacks

[narrow bay]

Powered weapons turning off when taking any damage is the worst change ever, completely killed many weapons for me. I already loathed the PSword before this change.

[slow spade]

now it only turns off if your attack combo is interrupted

[narrow bay]

Gross and very unethical, you don't even need to vent game does it for you. I wish it didnt would love to see vets explode every now and then. I do it on purpose sometimes when my friends are around as a meme, but once i get it level 20 im never using plasma again. Not a fun weapon by any means.

[arctic rampart]

I need to find a plug-in to better test uptime of blessings. Its super hard to keep track of tiny icons. Have no idea if this is true or not, definitely going to test.

[slow spade]

blaze away works by continuous fire

venting stops the blessing

[arctic rampart]

I love plasma, but I don't really care if you do lul. That weapon is super strong. Use what you like 🙂

[strange patrol]

What does an Auric recon lasgun build look like and what melee do you usually pair with it?

[slow spade]

of note, charging your plasma doesn't stop the blessing so you can "hold" the blessing by charging

[broken spade]

charge rate still affects firerate even on lmb, so it still doesn't get dumped completely for free

still the best dump though

[narrow bay]

Just only use it for priority targets, and dont main the weapon then im a happy camper. Its so broken to the point of making the game less fun for everyone on your team, only thing close is stealth and smite (smite being the worse)

[thick bear]

I dumped ammo on mine, without the +25% ammo talent I still get 120/120, with it I get like 120/160ish I think

[arctic rampart]

Fire rate doesnt matter if you fire twice, vent, repeat. Practically non-existent difference unfortunately. I would love for it to be more optimal with a complicated chargte but it just isn't. Downside with very little uptime.

[broken spade]

it still affects how fast the shot comes out
might matter sometimes

[arctic rampart]

Just use mobility as a dump stat on plasma its easy

[thick bear]

Mobility isn't a stat on plasma

[slow spade]

it doesn't have mobilty

plasma is the ONLY weapon in the game with no "dump" stat

every stat is useful

you just have to pick what you can live with

[arctic rampart]

I think for me I have a legacy one with 70% thermal, 70% mobility or something? I didn't bother to make a new one

[slow spade]

btw charge rate affects your uncharged attacks

[terse idol]

Ermm

Yes it is

[slow spade]

no its not

[broken spade]

amount of times i've shot a dog at the exact moment it jumped me isn't zero
probably would've succeeded slightly more often if my plasma had slightly higher charge rate

[terse idol]

Its hard to dump anything else

You gonna skim on ammo?

[arctic rampart]

not enough to matter

[slow spade]

it still affects it

[thick bear]

Damage, charge rate, stopping power, thermal resistance, ammo
No mobility

[slow spade]

the funny moment when the plasma users don't even know their own gun

[broken spade]

realistically it doesn't matter like 99% of the time

but if you're rich you aim for perfection for that 1% of the time

[narrow bay]

I wish you could explode on light attacking if you dont vent, would be funny

[knotty veldt]

which is better for revolver 10% weakspot or 10% crit damage? (assuming auto crit)

[slow spade]

neither

[stoic thorn]

Why isn't rolling steel on spotify

[thick bear]

If you're precise with your aiming it's doable, I run scavenger and the +25% ammo perk with focus fire and I rarely run dry

[arctic rampart]

weakspot damage is a fake stat isnt it

looks good but sux

[broken spade]

yeah

[stoic thorn]

My godroll Plasma has charge as its dump

[thick bear]

That's probably still good if you don't charge

[narrow bay]

More ops missions are coming as he is still making the playlist/extra songs for new missions. That would spoil the surprise, kinda how they didnt release volume 2 until traitors curse part 2 dropped.

[slow spade]

Get Elite damage + unarmored

[thick bear]

I don't charge unless I have good distance between me and an ogryn or a monstrosity

[broken spade]

even then i still wouldn't charge

[slow spade]

you never want to charge

[arctic rampart]

I'm going to roll a 60% charge rate. I'll then have AI doctor the screenshot so it says mobility instead.

[slow spade]

better to just fire 3 normal shots

[broken spade]

3x ammo cost on charged shots is kinda dumb

[terse idol]

Charge rate will affect your normal shot

Hence the what 69?

Cr?

[slow spade]

it doesn't even do 3x the damage

[terse idol]

Or TR

[arctic rampart]

Not notably though, unless you actualyl charge it

[knotty veldt]

with current build i already have enough to one shot everything else on a headshot its just carapace guys i need more, already have 25% carapace so seems to get more damage vs them would need either the crit damage or weakspot damage ones, does one give more than the other?

[terse idol]

Well no

[arctic rampart]

And why would you charge it? Noob mistake 🙂

[terse idol]

At 60 it will be weird

[slow spade]

oh then Elite + Carapace

[broken spade]

TR is 69
CR is just whatever's left, so 71

[knotty veldt]

i already one shot the elites far as ive tested

[slow spade]

you can also go Elite + Maniac for specialists

[slow spade]

then Maniac to kill Specialists

[narrow bay]

Enough to 1 shot crushers on charged hit, similar to 3 light shots. Wish light shots were 4 ammo and charged was still 9 so it was more efficient

[slow spade]

if you still reliably 1-hit kill those then Unyielding for bosses

[thick bear]

Mauler heads are considered carapace so you're not really gonna beat that

[slow spade]

the only reason I've ever charged my plasma is to pen deeper walls

[broken spade]

yeah idk why charged shots are so harsh on ammo
We're already paying for it with the time it takes and the heat

[knotty veldt]

but as a general question which is better numerically, crit damage or weakspot damage?

[arctic rampart]

I'm using flak + elites on my plasma and recommend that

[thick bear]

Crit

Stolen answer:
To calculate weakspot bonuses you have to take the body damage from the chart and minus that from the weakspot number, again from the chart. In your case 196-82=114, with 114 being the number that represents the weakspot damage added to the base body damage. The 114 is what is modified by weakspot damage bonuses, a 10% weakspot bonus would add 11.4 damage.

[arctic rampart]

flak + maniac if you aren't running some talents might be required though. You'll know cause flamers and bombers will live with 1hp

[earnest bone]

you pretty much will never use weakspot or critdamage perks on weapons

cuz alternatives are better

[broken spade]

both are bad anyways but
hypothetically if you had 100% crit chance, i think crit dmg would do more cause they have a bit of rending to them.

[slow spade]

neither because of how they work, the pinned guide covers it

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/badger-badger-badger-mushroom-mushroom-mushroom-iggydr-gif-18197905

[slow spade]

weakspot and crit are very poor perks to put on a gun

[terse idol]

Even if like you had 100% crit it's like

[arctic rampart]

as others said, they both suck for some reason. FS coded math wrong or something, use other options always

[terse idol]

Crit damage modifier on the crit damage

At 10%

[slow spade]

the only reason why the +30% weakspot node is good is because its such a high boost

[terse idol]

Its still so much worse than just

Straight damage + crit damage

[radiant chasm]

10% elite, specialists, and even groaners as well as all armor perks apply to the entire hit

Crit dmg/weakspot damage perks only apply their % to the crit/weakspot bonus damage respectively

[slow spade]

Fatshark decided to be special with the crit formula in this game

and then not tell anyone..

[radiant chasm]

So even with a 100 damage critting for 200, you are only getting 10 damage

[arctic rampart]

To be fair every game has problem with how the math is calculating

[radiant chasm]

While a relevant armor perk gets 50

And 10% mob type give 20

[slow spade]

Fatshark why...

[waxen maple]

thankfully no :P been meaning to ask BTW, what's the dump stat on PS? i assumed it was mobility or cleave targets but don't wanna assume

[radiant chasm]

Both

[waxen maple]

ah, figured as much

[slow spade]

either or is safe

[arctic rampart]

I think I have 70% mobility 70% cleave (ish) on my legacy power sword

[slow spade]

you can go 70/70 split if you want

[waxen maple]

ty for the tips once again

[slow spade]

I dumped moblity because the last thing my psword ass is doing is running

3 ragers? time to fight

[gilded wraith]

I've always been curious about how it applies to the 4 weapons that have the critical weapon stat? (Revolver, Tactical Axe)

[arctic rampart]

I'm a filthy mk3 power sword user though, so I'm already non-optimal. And I gave it up for dueling sword

[radiant chasm]

It will be better, it will never be the full hit

So if it’s 100 and you crit at 3.0 for really high finesse weapons

Okay you have 20 bonus damage on the 300 hit

[arctic rampart]

What curios are you running Frosty? Try 3x ability cooldown (if using voice of command), 3x stamina regen, 3x sprint efficiency. I couldn't believe how much better it felt. Finally dumped all my gunner resists.

[waxen maple]

i assume dueling sword in darktide is basically the rapier from VT2? looks at way at least

[arctic rampart]

I never played VT2 tbh

[waxen maple]

whatever random garbo i have :P i have like...not even 10 lmao

[hallow parrot]

somewhat yes

[thick kestrel]

kind of yeah, depening on the mark

[waxen maple]

ace game

[hollow ibex]

Totally overkill lol

[waxen maple]

nice

[thick kestrel]

high precision, excellent single target and high attack speed

[radiant chasm]

But 10% mob type perks give 30, and 25% armor perks give 75

[thick kestrel]

doesn't cleave all that well and you need to hit heads for best preformance

[waxen maple]

back in the day i mained saltzpyre's rapier on WHC, sooo VoC Vet feels eerily familiar XD

[arctic rampart]

Is it? Is it really? But all the other curios are less good. So maybe some could be swapped but all the other options are kind of meh.

[thick kestrel]

so yeah, quite close to Saltz's stabber :>

[radiant chasm]

So i think visualizing the calculation on a base 100 is the best way to show that crit dmg/weakspot dmg perks are garbage

[waxen maple]

nice, thanks

[radiant chasm]

No toughness? No flat hp?

[waxen maple]

if im not careful im gonna rack up more hours on DT than VT2 >.>

[arctic rampart]

1 3x stamina, 17% toughness x2. I have 220~ toughness

[radiant chasm]

Stam regen is great and ability cooldown is alright but sprint effic is a joke

Unless you are a speedrunner

But completely useless in pubs imo

[arctic rampart]

Thats exactly what I thought but sprint effic is actually noticeable compared to other curios

if nothing else, being able to run a little farther and kite

[radiant chasm]

No hp means you lose a lot of wound bps, and toughness will always be high value because of your high base and your strong dr options

No, you slide

[slow spade]

sprint efficiency is good on melee weapons that rely on stamina

otherwise not really needed

[hollow ibex]

i think having one gunner, one sniper is very helpful.

[arctic rampart]

Thats a good point, I'm using it with DS4.

[radiant chasm]

Literally no need for sprint efficiency in normal gameplay unless you are over using sprint constantly

[hollow ibex]

i use sprint efficiency over stam regen

[slow spade]

having a push attack/block avaliable at the start is very useful

[hollow ibex]

because in practice, you sprint a lot

[radiant chasm]

But why stam regen literally covers more scenarios

[slow spade]

oh so all the time lol

[arctic rampart]

Not having stamina is death

[radiant chasm]

It’s not hard to slide to conserve stamina

[hollow ibex]

i think people don't realize how much they sprint lol

[radiant chasm]

Which you should be doing

[slow spade]

it sounds like gunner trauma to me

conditioned into sliding everwhere instead of running like a normal person lmao

[hollow ibex]

i might've been pingponged in the air by multiple gunners before they fixed the stun

[radiant chasm]

Cause if i see a situation up ahead i stop sprinting so my stam regens, idk how people are caught pants and stam down

[arctic rampart]

AFAIKT slide is more interesting with stamina cooldown reduction talent nodes, but I usualyl don't have that. (E.g. from taking Infantry AutoGun needing that brittle one)

[hollow ibex]

i can't wait to get into glorious melee combat

imagine waiting smh

[radiant chasm]

God i hate sprint effic outside of true duos and solos like

15% toughness

Is so high value

[arctic rampart]

3x stam regen is pretty hard to argue against. over hundreds of hours you can clutch more if you have a little more stamina

[radiant chasm]

Iron will, piss toughness on top of that, toughness regen talents scaling off your max

[radiant chasm]

Good thing i was arguing for stam regen

And not against it

[arctic rampart]

Never said you weren't

[radiant chasm]

Stam regen works in all situations involved with stamina, sprint effic only works for one

[arctic rampart]

Stacking toughness over 220~ didnt make a difference to me. I dunno about 5% more health vs sprint effic.

[radiant chasm]

And that one can be mitigated by sliding while keeping your momentum

Vet has a HP bp, i think both snipers (not going resistance) and bursters

[arctic rampart]

If I was running power sword I'd probably not want sprint effic as much. It really feels good on dueling sword4

[radiant chasm]

But i don’t run hp minors

But that’s cause im 2 tough one hp majors

Mainly cause my shovel already has a ton of stamina

[arctic rampart]

You can take a sniper or burster with 220+ toughness, thats enough. Might even be 210 or 200.