I feel like it’s kinda like Crusher at home
#veteran-class
shadow dagger
thunk
full nacelle
I really want to do a shovel knight build...
but there's no point other than the satisfaction of going THUNKTHUNKTHUNK
hollow ibex
Shovel is a decent option for a build with low melee investment fwiw
full nacelle
oh yeah for sure
broken spade
shovel can get uncanny right?
full nacelle
I used to run the spike shovels as an easy answer to crushers on my pure ranged builds
sure can
broken spade
do the funny grenade bistol build and use uncanny shovel to buff bleed
full nacelle
that's why I was so shocked Orcka had such a fit over me saying I prefer the Rashad more
shovel is still good 
Rashad just REALLY good
shadow dagger
i dont use spike shovels because i dont respect the mk3 heavy sweep and the mk7 light combo feels so silly
broken spade
knife takes too many points
and horde is too painful with ds + bistol
maybe shovel would work well with it
full nacelle
yeah they're kind of clunky...
shadow dagger
i might just be nitpicking but the feel just isnt right
steady ibex
Shovel is a decent option for a build with low melee investment fwiw
New to Vet, what are the big 'melee investement' nodes?
I know there's the +10% melee, and Precision Strikes. Both seem mandatory to me tbh.
full nacelle
i might just be nitpicking but the feel just isnt right
nah honestly feel is the most important stat in the game
if a weapon doesn't pass the vibe check that's an F-tier
and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise
full nacelle
New to Vet, what are the big 'melee investement' nodes?
I know there's the +10% ...
sorry to butt in, but every melee vet does this, and the 10% passive melee damage node up top
shadow dagger
however, it is 1pm on a monday in my timezone
shadow dagger
so iunno if literally anyone is online rn
let alone willingly playing a pox gas map
full nacelle
friggin nurgle fart clouds
steady ibex
sorry to butt in, but every melee vet does this, and the 10% passive melee damag...
No need to apologize, appreciate it a lot!
What about hybrid Vets that don't want Weapons Specialists but still wanna be good at melee?
tropic abyss
when the game gives you a weapon that's 80/80/80/80/61, is it scamming you out of that half percent somewhere else and rounding it up?
steady ibex
when the game gives you a weapon that's 80/80/80/80/61, is it scamming you out o...
Probably so.
full nacelle
No need to apologize, appreciate it a lot!
What about hybrid Vets that don't wan...
I got just the thing! If you're not into WS you can run a Shout/Target Down build.
steady ibex
I've also seen it the other way around where you have a 59/80... weapons.
full nacelle
No need to apologize, appreciate it a lot!
What about hybrid Vets that don't wan...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5a10fb-449a-45bd-b98e-924011c3a88c/melee-vet-battle-medic
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5a10fb-dc42-424e-87cc-1bf2b3ecd3b8/melee-vet-axe-murderer
tropic abyss
I've also seen it the other way around where you have a 59/80... weapons.
my shovel is one of those 59s
full nacelle
two different versions of the same build... one is more about team support, the other is full melee axe murderer
strange patrol
What's a tacaxe/boltor build where I can boltor as much as possible?
steady ibex
two different versions of the same build... one is more about team support, the ...
Would the melee one work with other melee weapons as well?
full nacelle
Would the melee one work with other melee weapons as well?
They're both melee, but yes, they'll work with other weapons as well. Might be a couple tiny tweaks to optimize them based on what you're running but it'll work. 
The "battle medic" build likes the Rashad because it gains back a ton of toughness in hordes. I wouldn't run that build with like a chain axe or something more single target.
steady ibex
There's also a sort of battle medic build in the guide, do they differ because yours focuses on melee?
full nacelle
There's also a sort of battle medic build in the guide, do they differ because y...
Oh I haven't taken a look at the guide one! I'll have to see. I just call it "battle medic" because it's a really aggressive build based around the Born Leader talent. It's just flavor.
You just dive headfirst into hordes and play total frontline for your team while you constantly keep up their gold toughness. You could rally a team of 3 brain damaged lemmings through auric missions with it.
trim steppe
when the game gives you a weapon that's 80/80/80/80/61, is it scamming you out o...
At the moment, no. The displayed value is what you get. Theres a rounding error giving you a legitimate full point without deducting from elsewhere
steady ibex
Yeah that one relies on Glory Hunter + Confirmed Kill to regen a bunch of toughness for allies as well.
trim steppe
BUT when they fix it? Who knows
steady ibex
You just dive headfirst into hordes and play total frontline for your team while...
How do you keep up their gold toughness?
Does the Born Leader regen gold toughness?
full nacelle
Yeah that one relies on Glory Hunter + Confirmed Kill to regen a bunch of toughn...
Oh ok yeah, then they're probably very similar! The one in the guide might just lean more into the build being more of a special sniper while mine has special sniping but tends to be in melee clearing hordes.
tropic abyss
At the moment, no. The displayed value is what you get. Theres a rounding error ...
when they fix it, will it turn into a perfect 80/60 roll or will it fuck something else and scam me out of that one percent?
trim steppe
when they fix it, will it turn into a perfect 80/60 roll or will it fuck somethi...
That remains to be seen. Hopefully their "fix" doesn't ruin a lot of perfect weapons
full nacelle
Does the Born Leader regen gold toughness?
the extra shout node provides gold toughness, which is the most broken mechanic in the game... if you know how toughness works, gold toughness means NO damage will go through to your health so keeping it up basically makes you a god
every time you shout you get that gold toughness cap
tropic abyss
what are the chances of their fix ruining 80/60 now?
full nacelle
and born leader constantly fills your teammates toughness into gold toughness
steady ibex
and born leader constantly fills your teammates toughness into gold toughness
Wait, Born Leader fills the toughness into gold? How?
full nacelle
you pretty much make yourself and your squad EXTREMELY tanky... which lets you play EXTREMELY stupid
steady ibex
I thought toughness regen only fills normal toughness.
full nacelle
Wait, Born Leader fills the toughness into gold? How?
nope, you can refill gold toughness too... thanks Fatshark
totally not broken
trim steppe
what are the chances of their fix ruining 80/60 now?
Your guess is as good as mine. I'd guess they're probably safe. Maybe 59/80s end up better than the 61/80s. Maybe it's a wash
full nacelle
so you just spam shout to keep the gold cap and keep refilling everyone into that cap so you all take no damage
it's how I got the On Overwatch penance on my first try... that and hiding behind a pillar on the final event
steady ibex
nope, you can refill gold toughness too... thanks Fatshark
only if you shout first?
gotcha
full nacelle
Yeah shout is what gives you that gold toughness cap. If you're killing specials to keep shout up you can maintain gold toughness pretty easily throughout the entire match.
steady ibex
so what does a weapon specialist build do better? more damage?
inner temple
Heavy sword is so nice honestly
inner temple
so what does a weapon specialist build do better? more damage?
Uh depends ig but like. Melee kill 10 enemies I think you get more dmg on range its not like marksman though
slim terrace
what should my friend have on combat knife and infantry lasgun?
full nacelle
so what does a weapon specialist build do better? more damage?
Weapon Specialist is for builds that swap between your melee weapon and ranged constantly. It gives you better special sniping and overall more damage. Absolutely broken with revolver. Focus Target! is generally better if you're not frequently swapping weapons and it gets Target Down! for even more toughness/stamina refills.
inner temple
Weapon Specialist is for builds that swap between your melee weapon and ranged c...
Yurp
steady ibex
Weapon Specialist is for builds that swap between your melee weapon and ranged c...
Mhm gotcha. I love revolver so gonna give that a go as well
Got a sample build for that?
full nacelle
Mhm gotcha. I love revolver so gonna give that a go as well
Enjoy man! Make sure to grab Always Prepared for free revolver reloads and guaranteed crits.
Sure, one sec!
steady ibex
Would also love a classic Marksman build if you got one 🙂
trim steppe
Mhm gotcha. I love revolver so gonna give that a go as well
Yeah the Always Prepared keystone subnode makes it so you never need to manually reload. Shoot something, swap to melee and kill 1 poxxie, swap back and you're full again
If you're empty, swap to melee for 1 kill, hit swap to gun and back between swings. 5 poxxies and you're reloaded
Not to mention in the middle of mulching hordes, you get a ton of extra damage building up for pocket sniping that specialist who pops up
inner temple
Ngl heavy sword is fun
hollow ibex
Heavy sword is so nice honestly
Hope you have something for carapace lol
trim steppe
HS9 is great
languid scarab
Any good or meme builds for dooble barrel shotgun?
inner temple
Hope you have something for carapace lol
Heavy sword special and a lot of heavies. Best I can do lol. But nah I can use plasma gun.
full nacelle
Any good or meme builds for dooble barrel shotgun?
hollow ibex
Heavy sword special and a lot of heavies. Best I can do lol. But nah I can use p...
Plasma gotchu then
trim steppe
HS9 + plasma does work
inner temple
Also the shove attack does do armor pen aswell on heavy sword. As always any melee heavy goes through armor and somehow heavy sword special does.
full nacelle
Would also love a classic Marksman build if you got one 🙂
Marksman builds are a bit more all over the place just depending on what weapons/grenade you want to use. Do you have a specific one in mind?
steady ibex
Marksman builds are a bit more all over the place just depending on what weapons...
Not really actually.
full nacelle
Not really actually.
No problem! I'll just make a general one
trim steppe
Infantry lasgun marksman builds are solid
I personally never could get into helbores. So clunky
languid scarab
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5a0b37-5b25-4a27-8223-5e7bba37a021/me...
A decent build but shotgun feels like an accessory here... I want to really lean in to it
full nacelle
A decent build but shotgun feels like an accessory here... I want to really lean...
You are my kind of Vet! I'll pull up my DB shotgun meme build.
It's really hard to make it work as a main weapon since it's super short range and ammo hungry but fuggit
we ride
languid scarab
I've been useing Deathspitter / Both Barrels for quick endless kills
languid scarab
It's really hard to make it work as a main weapon since it's super short range a...
I don't think it's a primary ever, agreed the range and ammo are too limiting
trim steppe
Manstopper makes it shred so much with infinite cleave
steady ibex
Are you fucking kidding me BRUNT
trim steppe
Are you fucking kidding me BRUNT
Fuggin rekt lol
languid scarab
Manstopper makes it shred so much with infinite cleave
I was going to try deadshot manstopper next, either with flechette or scattershot
trim steppe
Unlucky. Still better than the old system tho
500k and no 60/80s is pretty unlucky. Usually you can fish one in like 10 rolls
steady ibex
Yeah less friction points but this one still hurts.
inner temple
Are you fucking kidding me BRUNT
Id still use that.. just sucks no dmg on it and well.. the mobility taking the dumbstat sucks
steady ibex
Out of money btw.
full nacelle
think of it this way, you get to play more DARKTIDE 
inner temple
Especially for DB
inner temple
think of it this way, you get to play more DARKTIDE <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
True
steady ibex
Id still use that.. just sucks no dmg on it and well.. the mobility taking the d...
You want mobility to be at 60 tho
The issue is the potential of damage is 79 rather than 80 which is annoying
trim steppe
I think Hammer wrote that range can be the dump too but I don't remember
tall torrent
I think Hammer wrote that range can be the dump too but I don't remember
Mobility dump
inner temple
You want mobility to be at 60 tho
Not my builds tsk tsk plus its a shotgun and I use it on my stealth builds
steady ibex
I think Hammer wrote that range can be the dump too but I don't remember
I don't think it can?
trim steppe
I stand immediately corrected
inner temple
Not my builds tsk tsk plus its a shotgun and I use it on my stealth builds
So like. Range is my dukbstat
Dumbstat*
trim steppe
I always just dump mobility except on power sword
steady ibex
So like. Range is my dukbstat
I mean you do you but I'm pretty sure that's almost objectively wrong.
trim steppe
Or if it has defences
steady ibex
You don't need more than 51% mobility to hit the dodge count cap
inner temple
I mean you do you but I'm pretty sure that's almost objectively wrong.
Im gonna be crawling up their spine anyway with stealth builds so it just doesn't matter.
If I find a full on use for the range then I switch out yk no skin off my back
full nacelle
A decent build but shotgun feels like an accessory here... I want to really lean...
Here you go!
I've ran it in auric missions and it works
steady ibex
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5b2475-b7e1-4639-bdba-3705e954b21e/gu...
Awesome thanks
bold patrol
ive played with mr boxes before
heavy bridge
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5b266d-9a3c-4396-b8af-5e4dafb88222/do...
both barrels is pretty funny but you'll pry run and gun from my cold dead hands
languid scarab
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5b266d-9a3c-4396-b8af-5e4dafb88222/do...
Nice, yeah that looks good - the base damage bonuses are needed. It was disappointing to have both barrels not kill elites in one shot.
i havent given man stopper a fair shake yet, I was so focused on single target, but it's clear you can't force it
steady ibex
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5b2475-b7e1-4639-bdba-3705e954b21e/gu...
Why do you take Reciprocity and not say Longshot and Determined?
languid scarab
ty
full nacelle
both barrels is pretty funny but you'll pry run and gun from my cold dead hands
haha that's totally fair! I just love blasting fools with back to back buckshots and stealing all the ammo.
heavy bridge
Ill be honest I dont usually bother with reload speed stuff on doule barrel because weapon spec reloads for me
full nacelle
Nice, yeah that looks good - the base damage bonuses are needed. It was disappoi...
Oh yeah manstopper is huge and this build has really good crit chance. Just got to remember to let your stamina refill every once in a while.
shadow dagger
Why do you take Reciprocity and not say Longshot and Determined?
longshot is a fake talent
heavy bridge
yeah manstopper is a must for DB
helps cler chaff around what you're trying to kill
full nacelle
Ill be honest I dont usually bother with reload speed stuff on doule barrel beca...
Oh yeah. I posted my actually sensible WS build back up. Now we're getting into the "just run around with the shotgun out all game blasting heads" builds.
broken spade
Why do you take Reciprocity and not say Longshot and Determined?
knife wants reciprocity
and longshot sucks anyways
languid scarab
Oh yeah manstopper is huge and this build has really good crit chance. Just got ...
Yeah deadshot is all good - I was fine with it pre buff now it is easy to use
full nacelle
Why do you take Reciprocity and not say Longshot and Determined?
Longshot is really bad despite what you might think. Super inconsistent. Can rarely get full value and even then it rarely helps you with breakpoints on most guns.
shadow dagger
the +20% damage on the tin is at like what, 30m?
it starts at a pitifully low starting damage boost at like 12m
full nacelle
Why do you take Reciprocity and not say Longshot and Determined?
Determined is ok. You don't need to worry about suppression most of the time, especially if you're running exe stance which makes you immune. It's more of a fluff node if you have an extra point you don't know what to do with. Reciprocity is one of the most broken nodes on the tree. 25% crit chance is huge and dodging ANYTHING counts. If a soldier misses their shots at you, it gives you stacks.
shadow dagger
can shovel heavies stagger ragers mid combo with enough stagger/power or am i better off using some other way
obsidian mesa
What melee weapon should i use
Ive done a build with power sword and want to try something else
inner temple
can shovel heavies stagger ragers mid combo with enough stagger/power or am i be...
Shovel staggers and punches through anything other than armor.... I think. Just from what I've witnessed so don't take it 100%
candid agate
which is the best recon las gun?
trim steppe
Why do you take Reciprocity and not say Longshot and Determined?
Reciprocity is one of the strongest talents in the game, if you play aggressively it's almost 100% uptime. Crazy damage boost due to crits. Longshot is not linear, so you only get less than 1% damage before the 13m mark
steady ibex
Gotcha, cool!
trim steppe
Reciprocity also triggers on dodging ranged shots fyi
full nacelle
What melee weapon should i use
Duelling sword is super fun
candid agate
What melee weapon should i use
knife if you want to feel cool
trim steppe
which is the best recon las gun?
I think the mk12 is the consensus favorite
candid agate
cheers, do you know the consensus favourite blessings as well?
candid agate
just like infantry autoguns
tall torrent
can shovel heavies stagger ragers mid combo with enough stagger/power or am i be...
Not without Hammerblow/trauma
Well, not in 1 hit anyway
shadow dagger
i mean im okay with using hammerblow thats what i was using before xd
candid agate
can someone tell me how good/bad this build is? weapons are knife (mk6) and recon lasgun (mk12)
full nacelle
can someone tell me how good/bad this build is? weapons are knife (mk6) and reco...
it's aight! drop the extra node on exe stance for Bring It Down! and Exploit Weakness for Shock Trooper
or actually
candid agate
yeah but its so fun when done right
full nacelle
true
candid agate
this tiny little blade getting me a 100 killstreak
shadow dagger
two smykers and a krak spammer in civi
i may as well run quickplay if i wanted to have fun
candid agate
pain
i mean at least a krak spammer is gonna kill some crushers
dont know what the psykers are gonna do
shadow dagger
one of the smykers was talking about how he was 30k off 1mil damage at the end too
what are you doing dog
is this what the smite buffs does to people
candid agate
1mil damage and like 3 kills
shadow dagger
doing 15% damage to 250 crushers
yippee
im cool with at least like the +50 psyker smiting because he was panicking in text chat about it being his first time playing civi and seeing so many maulers
but what are we waffling about
regal belfry
is it weird to prefer the mk 6 knife
unborn shadow
Varlet, please visit Interegator Rannick for immediate termination.
tall torrent
which is the best recon las gun?
XII if u want full recon build
XIV if u just want a full auto lasgun
I prefer XIV
primal zealot
im cool with at least like the +50 psyker smiting because he was panicking in te...
Lmao I had a civi once with a psyker who was lagging so hard he could only run smite cus he was like entirely on the other side of the world. Gotta say he more than pulled his weight. That mission was a cakewalk in the teapark
candid agate
I prefer XIV
i prefer it as well after failing in a ci-vii with it because my team cant cope with a single horde lol
tall torrent
i prefer it as well after failing in a ci-vii with it because my team cant cope ...
U don’t need to horde clear with ur gun
CIVI is just melee spam
tall torrent
What’s XIV for that scenario then
analog yacht
Path is asking why the mark of lasgun matters to why you wiped to a horde
tall torrent
XIV’s main benefit for me is the ability to shoot through horde to kill flamers & trappers
And cleave 1 shotgunners
candid agate
Path is asking why the mark of lasgun matters to why you wiped to a horde
i never said i liked it because of horde clear, it just felt good and my team was bad
analog yacht
i prefer it as well after failing in a ci-vii with it because my team cant cope ...
What did you mean by this
candid agate
i liked the gun
my team was bad
i dont remember why i added the comment after saying i liked the gun
shadow dagger
Not without Hammerblow/trauma
so is it just max stacked 2 bodyshots to stagger out of a rager combo?
or is it a little more complicated than that
tall torrent
so is it just max stacked 2 bodyshots to stagger out of a rager combo?
Idk, I don’t use those blessings personally
If a melee weapon sucks at fighting rager groups I basically just don’t use it
shadow dagger
i cant tell the difference because i cant figure out the whole melee duelling rager thing regardless of what melee i use
tall torrent
What melee do u prefer
shadow dagger
ive been using shock maul recently which yeah its like one of the better options
tall torrent
Duelling rager is not hard for most weapons
Once u understand their attack patterns
Ragers have 2 combos
tall torrent
Usually they start with a left-to-right (right-to-left for them) diagonal slash which u can dodge left for
This buys u enough time to start ur combos
shadow dagger
yeah the problem is mostly on my end lol i just need to practice more instead of giving up after taking one hit, backsliding, and shooting them
broken spade
nurgles blessing dreg ragers is the worst thing
primal zealot
Same and also I have a weird and insane question
Do different classes have different accuracy ?
tall torrent
Do different classes have different accuracy ?
Wdym accuracy
primal zealot
Like ability to land a shot
analog yacht
bullet dispersion
tall torrent
There’s no ADS bullet spread for most weapons
The only exceptions are shotguns (duh) and recon lasguns when suppressed
primal zealot
I go to poke a rager crusher mutant whatever on my vet and it kills or at least hits their head
Same exact toothpick on my zealot misses wide by a mile half the time
tall torrent
Uh
analog yacht
is your zealot shorter
tall torrent
I don’t think melee weapons have “accuracy” as a thing
analog yacht
and yeah accuracy isn't a thing but weapon hitboxes hit the first thing they come in contact w/
primal zealot
Nah I make all my guys tall as possible
analog yacht
idk i think just confirmation bias
tall torrent
Same exact toothpick on my zealot misses wide by a mile half the time
Rager head moves a lot when they’re in combo, don’t bother too hard
analog yacht
noticing a pattern where there is none
broken spade
I dont think there should be anything different with aiming melee in that case
tall torrent
This is part of why I think rager headshot breakpoints for ranged weapons are mostly pointless
primal zealot
I was thinking that too or some kind of selection bias
analog yacht
be sure to aim a bit above enemy heads w/ a lot of weapons
if you clip their body hitbox before hitting head then you hit body
varies per weapon obv.
primal zealot
Idk I hit em almost every time on vet and miss half the time on zealot
On psyker I just run away ngl
analog yacht
maybe a thing w/ zealot's movespeed
primal zealot
analog yacht
misjudging distance bc of it
tall torrent
Ur veteran is blessed by the emperor himself and ur zealot is cursed by a tzeentch daemon
primal zealot
Quite possible
tall torrent
On psyker I just run away ngl
Psyker has so many tools to trivialize ragers it’s crazy
primal zealot
Smite ragers blast ragers with trauma staff burn ragers with purge brainpop ragers one after the other spray ragers with machine gun staff deafen ragers with venting shriek stun ragers with a shield wall kite ragers and feed them to the melee ogryn
tall torrent
And and on veteran & zealot it’s mostly
“Boohoo I hope you brought a melee that can reliably break their combo”
broken spade
vet/zealot just have their F
broken spade
Smite ragers blast ragers with trauma staff burn ragers with purge brainpop rage...
also KD block them and just walk away
primal zealot
Bonk ragers with a crusher magdump your bolter into groups of ragers knock ragers off a cliff with a holy relic shout at ragers decapitate ragers with a heavy eviscerator burn ragers with a flamethrower
primal zealot
also KD block them and just walk away
Turn 360 degrees and walk away from ragers
cold horizon
Stub revolver my beloved
sleek garden
And and on veteran & zealot it’s mostly
“Boohoo I hope you brought a melee that ...
My gun can kill a rager in five shots
sleek garden
The infantry lasguns I mean
sleek garden
That’s 4 too many
2 to the head but it is hard
The first one leaves them with like 300 health
tall torrent
vet/zealot just have their F
Not nearly as many options as psyker
loud flower
Fellow vets, what would be a good built for a infantary lasgun?
i want to get the mastery up but dont know how to build
primal zealot
Well you should take shocktrooper for the free ammo and that other one next to it or above to have more ammo
If you afford it you might consider onslaught for that fast brittleness application
analog yacht
ilas isn't really fast brittleness
primal zealot
Oh shit I misread that
Maybe throw some marksman’s focus in the mix then since you should really be aiming for heads anyways so might as well benefit from it + make some progress on that stupid penance
loud flower
i already have the penance done
inner temple
Fellow vets, what would be a good built for a infantary lasgun?
Shock trooper and either marksman or focus target
loud flower
i have all the penances for classes
inner temple
In my opinion
inner temple
Maybe throw some marksman’s focus in the mix then since you should really be aim...
Yes
Im gonna do this with all lasguns and such later tbh
primal zealot
Shock trooper should still be a good option tho
loud flower
i think i will do straight up exe stance and marksmen's
and get the node on exe stance that highlights all ranged
primal zealot
Although idk don’t listen to me if you’ve already done every penance you probably know the class better than me
loud flower
I am always all ears, everyone has new stuff to say that i dont know about
Also i am dumb
primal zealot
If you’re not just highlighting but killing all the lil ranged fucklers you’re amazing tbh
inner temple
If you’re not just highlighting but killing all the lil ranged fucklers you’re a...
What I do if I have a range gun and nobody else will lol
Ideally I have a ranged build tho
primal zealot
I’m an ogryn main so the lil shooters are the bane of my existence
I’d hazard a guess that at least 60-70% of all damage I’ve taken has been from those little buggers
Hence my undying love for any vet that actually deals with them instead of trying to compete for melee kills or whatever it is most pub vets do
inner temple
I’d hazard a guess that at least 60-70% of all damage I’ve taken has been from t...
Likely. I hate them whenever nobody deals with them. As ogryn or zealot I'll go out of my way swatting at trash and dash to them.
loud flower
As i vet i mainly use my ranged wepon, because i like to shoot
i often get hit because i am just ads'ng to deal with shooters
inner temple
Hence my undying love for any vet that actually deals with them instead of tryin...
I swear whenever I take my ranged build suddenly all melee guys turn ranged in match.
Makes no sense
gilded rock
I’m an ogryn main so the lil shooters are the bane of my existence
I'm not an ogryn main but I hate ranged trash so much
Almost as much as trappers
tropic abyss
what's the problem with trappers? they're the least annoying of disablers
dogs are the worst
gilded rock
Dogs are super staggerable, plus both easily shovable and dodgable
And they push aside enemies
tropic abyss
their hitbox is a suggestion at best
gilded rock
Trappers do their thing and the only way to avoid is to dodge because chances are they're hiding behind masses of enemies
tropic abyss
trappers are nice, they have a nice round white head just begging to be shot in the face
at the same height of everything else, mostly
gilded rock
Dogs' arrival is also much more telegraphed audio-wise
tropic abyss
eh... both sounds are very distinguisheable
gilded rock
Both of their attack sounds are yeah
tropic abyss
but as a vet I'm most often with my rifle out and I can't push with that
and dodging is finicky because hitboxes
inner temple
Dogs are super staggerable, plus both easily shovable and dodgable
I can handle both. What I don't like is audio making them sound like they're a room away whenever they're directly behind me
inner temple
and dodging is finicky because hitboxes
And lag
Ive once pushed without the dog being anywhere near me and it fell down.
tropic abyss
I'm not sure that's lag, it might just be the hitbox
their hitbox is all sorts of fucked
with ogryn they'd be extra aggravating if I wasn't always holding a melee weapon and ready to push
cause you can't dodge that stuff reliably as a big man
inner temple
cause you can't dodge that stuff reliably as a big man
So true! Only reliable dodges with big boy is back dodge.
scarlet vessel
only have 1 more skill point left either Target Down on golden tag or Exploit Weaknessfor brittleness on melee crit
tropic abyss
only have 1 more skill point left either Target Down on golden tag or Exploit We...
unless you're using smoke for some weird reason, get demo team
loud flower
ok, i dont get the ilas. It feels that i want to do what the helbore does, but worse
scarlet vessel
unless you're using smoke for some weird reason, get demo team
even for Damnation qps?
scarlet vessel
even regular non hi int damantion? hmm will try out
tropic abyss
I mean, it triggers on elite and specialist kill, so the lower the difficulty the less use it has
but at higher difficulties you'll be swimming in grenades
scarlet vessel
i guess better for auric gamers
tropic abyss
and it doesn't have to be you getting the kills, anyone in coherency kills elites and you get nades
frank basin
Tanner doing duck posting
loud flower
Honestly, good on them. We dont need two darktide youtubers starting beef
We already have too much toxicity in the discord and not that many youtubers
hollow ibex
Both suck who cares moving on
tropic abyss
^
frank basin
Sarcasm
lavish token
i guess better for auric gamers
tropic abyss
only have 1 more skill point left either Target Down on golden tag or Exploit We...
also Target Down isn't that good, Born Leader already spreads out toughness to other people and you get a ton of toughness from the passives at the top of the tree, whichever you went with
the stamina is too little to matter
primal zealot
Hey man like 90% of my toxicity on here is sarcastic
frank basin
lavish token
Vets posting in other channels don’t play auric, how surprising lmao
frank basin
I don’t play auric because not everyone performs well on histg
loud flower
i mainly play auric, but my server is not that well populated
so often times i get into matches with high ping
frank basin
Chinese players
mortal aspen
What's the best Veteran build rn? Asking for a friend
austere mica
There isn’t one
mortal aspen
I see guides in pinned but no builds
shadow dagger
the highest difficulty is so low that theres no incentive to minmax to that extent
mortal aspen
okay, any good one will do, with plasma for example
scarlet vessel
also Target Down isn't that good, Born Leader already spreads out toughness to o...
is redirect fire also good or bad? i think on average enemies will only get 1-3 stacks of gold tag, i dont think 4.5% damage will hit breakpoints
austere mica
We have lots of fun builds but no definitive best because it doesn’t exist
shadow dagger
is redirect fire also good or bad? i think on average enemies will only get 1-3 ...
a good amount of single shot weapons are like 5% dmg away from hitting important breakpoints
and stacks of redirect fire dont override each other
so if you get 3 stacks, tag, kill, get 2 stacks, tag, kill
you dont end with 2 stacks, you end with 5
scarlet vessel
oh nice so thats how the stacks work. will keep that node then
shadow dagger
as for how much value redirect fire will actually get
youll usually just have to consult The Guide™️
and see if your ranged weapon of choice benefits from it
am i just coping or does dueling sword feel like
jank
i cant pin down the exact reason
but it just doesnt feel right
serene bough
aside from its garbage horde clear i dont have any issues
shadow dagger
i think its the really weird attack recovery after heavies or something
red robin
Damn
Tanner actually trying in a video to not be abrasive
Haters will still find a way to spew venom
shadow dagger
hes been dialing up the sanity the past few videos i think
the schizo rants are getting rarer and possibly funnier because of it
red robin
True
full nacelle
I actually love that him and Mr. E have started a wholesome arc now
I was praying it would happen and it is
full nacelle
daaaamn
lavish token
full nacelle
I mean I don't hate realasianrobot either
though I did find his builds really crappy and his "hopefully your favorite darktide content creator" schtick stupid
lavish token
Engee’s builds are atrocious, his opinions terrible, his ego massive
full nacelle
I haven't really watched his build videos but his example psyker build when he went through their tree was trash
ego though? nah the dude has fully admitted to being completely wrong multiple times and even started a friendship with the dude who called him out
I see no ego. Just sometimes bad opinions.
full nacelle
agreed 
quaint kettle
whats usually the dump stat for the powersword, never really messed around with it but want to use it more
full nacelle
whats usually the dump stat for the powersword, never really messed around with ...
cleave targets
since you only spam the energized attack and that stat doesn't matter on it
otherwise mobility
quaint kettle
ah makes sense
I saw both mobility and cleave as the dump stat and was wondering if more was discovered
like how more people are dumping cleave on the dueling sword now over mobility
full nacelle
oh yeah I can see that
since you only spam the single-target heavy attack
think I'd still dump mobility though
lavish token
Making a video about weapons, and having this be your tier list should exclude you from being listened to for a long time
full nacelle
eh it's MOSTLY correct
but the guy is a casual player making casual content
I don't mind
I like the sound of his voice, his sense of humor, and the sound of the katamari damacy music in the background
I can look past some uninformed opinions
winged hedge
b tier chaxe and no rashad is wild
full nacelle
where would you put chaxe?
lavish token
rashad is in S
winged hedge
a to s
full nacelle
yeah rashad is definitely s
winged hedge
rashad is over mk 3 knife
lavish token
eh it's MOSTLY correct
really isn't
full nacelle
Personally I don't think it's that bad. I wouldn't really even have a D-tier personally. I don't think any melee weapons are that bad. Might not even have a C-tier tbh.
clever hedge
agree there are worse
orchid hemlock
my dude he put DS in C tier
winged hedge
Shovels are probably c tbh
winged hedge
Eh. Hammers aren’t that good
primal zealot
Cleavers not in fff tier
orchid hemlock
Hammer is not meta
winged hedge
They’re cool. They do some things good
winged hedge
Crusher is great probably s yeah
clever hedge
Chaine axe should be higher though
orchid hemlock
lmao he puts deimos in S too
hollow ibex
I mean I don't hate realasianrobot either
i found him to be unintentionally condescending when i watched his videos lol
lavish token
dclaw not in A tier
winged hedge
Yeah Deimos is a solid B
lavish token
the 7 and 4 belong in A
full nacelle
i found him to be unintentionally condescending when i watched his videos lol
really? I never got that vibe at all
inner temple
I put all weapons in S because they all have a job they excel in
hollow ibex
really? I never got that vibe at all
just my impression lol, he's not very obvious about it
full nacelle
dclaw not in A tier
ok as someone who gave up on using the dclaw I would love to hear why you give it A-tier
being genuine, no hate
orchid hemlock
why is nobody addressing the elephant in the room? 🐘
HE PUT DS IN C TIER
full nacelle
just my impression lol, he's not very obvious about it
I dunno he's always come off as really down to earth to me, especially his reaction to the whole Tanner situation and the people who don't understand friendly banter spamming him with "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE INVOLVING YOURSELF IN DRAMA!"
primal zealot
That list is actually a masterful troll
inner temple
ok as someone who gave up on using the dclaw I would love to hear why you give i...
The ability to just negate all dmg at the cost of stamina. Great it also does good CC and despite all that you can deal with armor.. its just not the best at it.
full nacelle
Also he says in the video that hammer belongs in A-tier he just put it in S because he thinks it feels chonky
which I respect
primal zealot
It somehow makes everyone angry for different reasons
full nacelle
The ability to just negate all dmg at the cost of stamina. Great it also does go...
You still get hit while using the parry if you're fighting multiple targets iirc so it doesn't negate all damage
shadow dagger
i can never remember the hitbox angle of the parry :clueless:
orchid hemlock
It somehow makes everyone angry for different reasons
wait......is he just pretending bad on purpose for clout?
hes playing chess
primal zealot
Yes
orchid hemlock
not checkers
primal zealot
inner temple
You still get hit while using the parry if you're fighting multiple targets iirc...
Yeah unless you parry better
full nacelle
the truth is, darktide tier lists will always be stupid because the game is easy and every weapon can work to some degree and everyone runs them with different builds, in different situations, with varying levels of teammates
inner temple
How to Get gud at parrying? Play dark souls and only parry
full nacelle
but tier lists are fun so why tf not?
full nacelle
Yeah unless you parry better
I mean, if you still get hit while parrying multiple enemies then you just don't parry and sadly thats like the only thing the dclaw has over other melee weapons as far as I know
lavish token
S Crusher Heavy sword 7 and 9
full nacelle
Parry is cool and fun but is it A-tier worthy? Not from my experience
lavish token
one shotting crushers with the parry
full nacelle
haha see that's an S for cool factor
but yeah weapon tier lists are especially tricky
I think talents are easier to properly tier
inner temple
Thats the best part tier lists honestly doesn't work because its based on how the player sees it.
full nacelle
And individual opinion can change really fast too
inner temple
Exactly
wet ether
personally i love me chainsword
full nacelle
you change one node or the AI director plays nice with you
all of a sudden the loadout you hated is amazing
inner temple
I may see someone be insane with combat axe or maybe knife or something then go 'yeah imma try that' then sit back and not try it because I hate them.
wet ether
i know y'all will hate me for saying this but the proc rate on comp urge needs a buff
full nacelle
nah it does... I would be fine if they even reduced the strength of the buff to have it proc more often
it's just too unreliable on most builds
inner temple
nah it does... I would be fine if they even reduced the strength of the buff to ...
Yes
On the upside when it procs its good
And it may proc on my stealth build which is good
full nacelle
yeah, same issue with Skirmisher... great buff, absolutely crappy unreliable uptime
tis a shame
could be a really cool node for mobile vets
wet ether
like a 2.5% chance is just way to low make it like 5% or 7.5%
primal zealot
Just move more and kill faster smh
full nacelle
Just move more and kill faster smh
so true skill issue
lavish token
ok as someone who gave up on using the dclaw I would love to hear why you give i...
guess you put the wrong things on the dclaw
full nacelle
guess you put the wrong things on the dclaw
maybe! I haven't given it another shot since then
wet ether
this is my beauty of a chainsword
primal zealot
Let’s see Paul Allen’s chainsword
inner temple
could be a really cool node for mobile vets
Yes
primal zealot
Also discord saving gifs as videos is a crime against humanity
wet ether
it was at 80% but for some reason it got bumped down to 79% when i consecrated it
inner temple
this is my beauty of a chainsword
Wtf damn I love it but wtf
I didn't even know red was a thing
wet ether
its a mod
full nacelle
it was at 80% but for some reason it got bumped down to 79% when i consecrated i...
DUDE! That happened to me the other day but the opposite way! Went up from 79 to 80 and I was just like " ... Emprah bless! "
Weird...
lavish token
maybe! I haven't given it another shot since then
only one way to build it
flak maniac shred rampage
wet ether
yeah but i wont complain
full nacelle
flak maniac shred rampage
hmm that was my setup though... maybe I just suck
lavish token
Should be a full on thing tbh
horrible take
wet ether
Should be a full on thing tbh
should be i mean the sainted thing is in the files
austere mica
horrible take
Actually curious, why
full nacelle
yeah I see no problem with having maxed weapons being red
it was cool in Vermintide
wet ether
we cant unleash the full potential of our weapons until fat shark decides to make sainted a thing
wet ether
weapons do not need even more power
shadow dagger
is that the weapons problem or the game difficulty's though 😭
full nacelle
wait are we talking about the red little visual effect or are we talking about power creep?
austere mica
weapons do not need even more power
Oh I thought you just meant the color
Not actual red weapon power level
full nacelle
same
lavish token
it is both at the same time
full nacelle
is it? turning the weapon's banner red doesn't make it stronger
just makes it more badass
primal zealot
No like that would just be a funny update
inner temple
just makes it more badass <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Yes
Really shows "I made this weapon and it was blessed and accepted and truly deemed holy!"
grave hawk
what melee yall like to pair with infant auto guns
lavish token
is that the weapons problem or the game difficulty's though 😭
Weapons both do too much damage and the enemies are far too few in most maps
events i should say
inner temple
what melee yall like to pair with infant auto guns
Activate weapons
full nacelle
what melee yall like to pair with infant auto guns
rashad combat axe always good
karmic moat
this is my beauty of a chainsword
ooooo there is red? I like red
karmic moat
awww
karmic moat
am not mod-smert
hollow ibex
ur cringe
lavish token
the game is just power crept out of being difficult in any form outside of 3 maps
karmic moat
braincells can only into violence
wet ether
go suck a fat one ya turd
karmic moat
go suck a fat one ya turd
a fat...shark?
wet ether
a fat...shark?
yeah lets go with that
karmic moat
uproarious laughter
austere mica
edited my build slighty
Should've included a trigger warning the fuck is this
lavish token
Unless you are playing baross, excise vault and logistatum on rotation you should not be losing games ngl
full nacelle
edited my build slighty
that is a WILD looking build... what weapons you using?
karmic moat
Unless you are playing baross, excise vault and logistatum on rotation you shoul...
Im just not that goood
wet ether
that is a WILD looking build... what weapons you using?
watch the entire video
shadow dagger
Unless you are playing baross, excise vault and logistatum on rotation you shoul...
quickplay silo cluster kicks so many quickplay lobbies in the teeth for some reason
grave hawk
rashad combat axe always good
ya think 10% attk spd is needed for it?
karmic moat
win some lose some. I enjoy bayonet stab either way
full nacelle
edited my build slighty
no reciprocity or precision strikes? 🥺
oblique sparrow
What's the best melee weapon to pair with the Boltgun?
full nacelle
ya think 10% attk spd is needed for it?
definitely not NEEDED but definitely great to have if you want to spend the points there
wet ether
no reciprocity or precision strikes? 🥺
nah this build works just fine without it
full nacelle
What's the best melee weapon to pair with the Boltgun?
Rashad... I'm just gonna spam this until the end of time
wet ether
she wild yeah but holy fuck it works
grave hawk
definitely not NEEDED but definitely great to have if you want to spend the poin...
nvm i already have it, but fuck that is slow
austere mica
nah this build works just fine without it
Still wack as hell curio choices and low tree routing
BCR and CDR
Really
full nacelle
nvm i already have it, but fuck that is slow
cause it kills everything in front of you in that one swing, just got to dodge every now and then
austere mica
Oh and a wound
wet ether
Still wack as hell curio choices and low tree routing
yes really @austere mica
lavish token
he is talking shit about others and takes a wound curio
full nacelle
you crazy
austere mica
yes really <@785997625928581162>
You have lost your shit talking perms
wet ether
he is talking shit about others and takes a wound curio
boooo
grave hawk
i wish there was more weapon skins
wet ether
yeah i take a wound curio out of habit
oblique sparrow
Rashad... I'm just gonna spam this until the end of time <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188...
I've been switching between the chainaxe and the power sword
tall torrent
i wish there was more weapon skins
I wish they make more Moebian 6th (Nox Defiant) weapon skins
full nacelle
I've been switching between the chainaxe and the power sword
Rashad is just the best generalist weapon pick and super easy to use
tall torrent
And please just give me Moebian 6 helmet + mask combo
orchid hemlock
Chain axe on Vet feels :🤮
tall torrent
No
full nacelle
sheeeee
tall torrent
5k penance point reward
full nacelle
oh damn
tall torrent
Infantry lasgun
Heavy laspistol
Combat shotgun
Ripper gun
austere mica
Chain axe on Vet feels :🤮
Chain axe on vet feels
tall torrent
There’s another Moebian 6th set for crusher, chainsword, DC sword and cleaver earlier on
But those are meh, basically just different paint
The new ones have model changes
grave hawk
i dig the chainsword in the shop atm
orchid hemlock
Chain axe ~~on vet~~ feels
U can brute force make it work on Zealot
wet ether
Yeah sure I talk shit but I know my place and I know how good I can be when I actually bother trying
Plus the wound curio like I said it’s out of habit
lavish token
crutch lmao post duo scoreboards
wet ether
Don’t use scoreboard bro 
full nacelle
Do what feels right for you man but you should consider just changing your curio unless you're making use out of that wound one
waxen glen
Thoughts on Double barrel?
wet ether
Do what feels right for you man but you should consider just changing your curio...
I do make use of that wound curio because I pick up grims now
placid portal
fun
full nacelle
Thoughts on Double barrel?
fun, funny, big boom... good offhand for WS melee builds, goofy in meme builds
wet ether
Still hate em but money is money
waxen glen
Tryna reach breakpoints with them
placid portal
gotta stack dough
wet ether
gotta stack dough
full nacelle
Perkwise atleast
maniac/flak as per usual
placid portal
unyielding
lavish token
ah so you talk about how good you are and shit talk others builds yet cannot prove it
discord classic
full nacelle
wet ether
Dorn do me a favour and can it
full nacelle
Yeah we had this earlier already with Orcka throwing a fit and then being proven wrong
we don't need a repeat of that
grave hawk
all i gotta say
orchid hemlock
See what I mean? @lavish token
grave hawk
lukes build fuck
full nacelle
"Earlier it was Luke" "Nah actually it was Orcka" "See? He's toxic"
back on ignore he goes
full nacelle
lukes build fuck
thank ya! glad you're enjoying it
wet ether
Like yeah my build is wild yes but I take weird picks because I like being weird
For example duck and dive
orchid hemlock
He even said that he blocked me, but it doesn't seem like he has the self control to not view the blocked messages
austere mica
He even said that he blocked me, but it doesn't seem like he has the self contro...
You can check by reacting
orchid hemlock
You can check by reacting
I know, but I thought the whole point of blocking them is to not interact with them
Of its just a "power move" on their part
wet ether
duck and dive is a fun node
Duck and dive combo with stripped down
full nacelle
He even said that he blocked me, but it doesn't seem like he has the self contro...
you can unblock people dude... I did it because I figured your earlier outburst was a lapse in judgement
sorry to see I was wrong
wet ether
The fuck is range damage
full nacelle
talk to you later!
orchid hemlock
you can unblock people dude... I did it because I figured your earlier outburst ...
Wow that was quick
See there he goes again
waxen glen
Skirmisher vs Trench Drill Fighter?
wet ether
Skirmisher vs Trench Drill Fighter?
Trench
full nacelle
Skirmisher vs Trench Drill Fighter?
Trench
orchid hemlock
Full more of shit than Elvis when he died 
full nacelle
Skirmisher is extremely hard to keep up and clunky
wet ether
Skirmisher needs a rework
full nacelle
yeah... it's a shame because it's a really cool talent in concept
waxen glen
Rending strikes vs bring it down?
full nacelle
Rending strikes vs bring it down?
bring it down
waxen glen
I don't have points ;-;
full nacelle
bring it down is ALWAYS good... rending strikes is good depending on the weapon
waxen glen
full nacelle
20% damage on monstrosities and ogryns is massive
orchid hemlock
And the he cries about me "ignoring him"
Oh the hypocracy 🥱
waxen glen
Trying to make the specialist penance done faster
wet ether
Bro imma be real you can honestly make do with just weapon spec alone
No need for the other nodes
waxen glen
But I'm also leveling double barrel at the same time
wet ether
But that’s just my opinion
austere mica
Always prepared is mandatory for small mags
waxen glen
So I'm trying to make it smoother
tropic abyss
If you just want to level it and nothing else, you don't actually need to use the weapon in order to level it
full nacelle
But I'm also leveling double barrel at the same time
you definitely want always prepared... the other one though is just nice to have
tropic abyss
you can just take it with you and just use your melee all the time
I did that with the staves on psyker, they're quite bad without some stats put into them
clever hedge
Bring it down over rending for sure
full nacelle
I leveled most of my ranged weapons just from taking them along on my melee vet build through auric missions
exotic gulch
jsut redownloaded the game what is a good skilltree for a boltgun?
full nacelle
tall torrent
Thoughts on Double barrel?
Niche but not bad
U can check the pinned guide here, I have detailed pages on mostly everything for veteran
full nacelle
<:pogryn:961977701533614130>
Oh sorry! I missed one thing! Deadshot shouldn't be on there in the bottom left tree unless you're doing crit chance bolter
Use that talent point however you wish... You could even get rid of demo team and get the other reload perk up at the top if you're a true mad lad
updated it if you refresh the build
winged hedge
would strongly recommend that. bolter reload is a huge limiting factor
full nacelle
personally I like running both reload perks
but I know a lot of folks have issue with that
winged hedge
i always do
snow peak
do grenades have crit and ranged damage multiplier?
winged hedge
also, no determined?
full nacelle
nah... you could take it over demo team but I find exe stance takes care of suppression in most cases
I don't find myself getting suppressed enough to take it
tall torrent
do grenades have crit and ranged damage multiplier?
No
full nacelle
oh you totally can if you want! some people prefer the more consistent puncture build, some prefer crit chance with surgical/deadshot
both are good
slow spade
A shame you can't get both reload perks without taking longshot
spark helm
What have people messed with when it comes to other combat axes? The only one I've used is the Rashad.
full nacelle
A shame you can't get both reload perks without taking longshot
yeah this is the true pain
tame lodge
What have people messed with when it comes to other combat axes? The only one I'...
Avoid Achlys and you'll be fine
hollow ibex
buildcrafting is part of the fun smh
exotic gulch
ik but when the game first came out bolt gun was king it seem like the double barrel shotgun is good now
clear lantern
Avoid Achlys and you'll be fine
isn't that the one with the horizontal running power attack?
slow spade
ik but when the game first came out bolt gun was king it seem like the double ba...
Both are good now
So go at it
tropic notch
@tall torrent @slow sky what’s better for the mercy killer vet precog or uncanny?
I wanted to see if I can push my vet into peak minmaxxing but I know you two have tons of bet experience
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> <@142046391504601088> what’s better for the mercy killer v...
Boring strong: uncanny
Interesting: riposte
tropic notch
Boring strong: uncanny
Interesting: riposte
So why not precog and mercy killer?
tropic notch
I figured bet would snowball with weakspot damage
tall torrent
Kind of?
full nacelle
Mercy Killer is for the quirked up fiends who like to live life on the edge
and by that I mean you spend one talent point and its pretty good
tall torrent
Mercy killer needs serrated blade, that’s all
full nacelle
yup
slow sky
So why not precog and mercy killer?
ive tested it myself
precog ends up being like uncanny but with more effort
so like
why
slow sky
the numbers are roughly the same
full nacelle
because precog is badass
slow sky
i save precog for zealot
tropic notch
Real I play my vet like zealot
slow sky
even then uncanny/MK just fucks hard on vet
tropic notch
I just figured it would push vet further
tall torrent
Riposte is kind of better ngl
tropic notch
And i wouldn’t say it’s harder to proc all you must do is dodge
tall torrent
If u want a dodge-related blessing
slow sky
i feel like vet talent for dodge crit, base melee crit node, and knives crit bonus is enough for me
slow sky
plus its also like
id rather use something different on vet
if i was going to play dodge blessings on knife why not just play zealot for duellist and second wind
just something different to play into what this class can do vs the other
tall torrent
plus its also like
id rather use something different on vet
if i was going to pl...
Executor + flesh tearer
tall torrent
https://tenor.com/view/cat-tsh-gif-15316974727340266002
tropic notch
Executor + flesh tearer <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
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It’s somehow not horrible
tropic notch
It’s somehow not horrible
Yeah dot is strong
Any dot is strong
If the purg staff didn’t exist I wouldn’t play psyker
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Any dot is strong
Eh, not necessarily
tropic notch
Mmmm power and dot
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DOT is only good when u can get high stacks very fast
tropic notch
Eh, not necessarily
I wish zealot applied more bleed with scourge
But then again if you try to stack it you’re already at 98 crit
slow spade
DOT is only good when u can get high stacks very fast
I miss when Ogryn heavy attacks applied 6 stacks of bleed
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I wish zealot applied more bleed with scourge
That’d make it a bit too good
Scourge is already a very strong talent
frigid swallow
do most people nowadays don't take Survivalist Aura?
Prolly could understand if the 1% is negligible every 5 second cooldown proc
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do most people nowadays don't take Survivalist Aura?
Most builds don’t need it
tame lodge
Depends on the weapon nowadays
slow spade
Its not a small amount over the course of a match
Normally the map has enough ammo to cover you so not necessary usually
Unless you queue with something stupid like 3 gunlugger ogryns
frigid swallow
lol my rando quick play experience right there
slow spade
My pug loadout packs Survivalist out of fear UwU
frigid swallow
Prolly should get survivalist if im using Spearhead bolter builds
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lol my rando quick play experience right there
Usually if you’re running out of ammo, it’s more of a looting experience problem
slow spade
Assuming the spawns didn't go "oops all bosses"
lavish token
Usually if you’re running out of ammo, it’s more of a looting experience problem
or you are playing with me
inner temple
Most builds don’t need it
I tend to use a ton of ammo so I take it on my big ammo consumption weapons.
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I tend to use a ton of ammo so I take it on my big ammo consumption weapons.
It depends
If u play Boltgun you’re basically Gunlugger 2.0
slow spade
I tend to use a ton of ammo so I take it on my big ammo consumption weapons.
Takes Survivalist on Helbore Shocktrooper
inner temple
Usually if you’re running out of ammo, it’s more of a looting experience problem
This is true. Sometimes randoms will pick up a large ammo bag while only missing 2 rounds.
slow spade
I do that if they just run past it
Pinged an ammo stash while missing 1 round
No one picked it up its mine
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*Takes Survivalist on Helbore Shocktrooper*
That’s actually ok for stuff like C-I-VI
slow spade
Yeah I tend to see people not picking up ammo even if I know they're missing rounds
Might be a PUG issue
slow spade
That’s actually ok for stuff like C-I-VI
You know what you're getting into if you queue for that though :p
exotic gulch
duelling sword any good?
inner temple
You know what you're getting into if you queue for that though :p
Yeah quickplay is full random. And you should take an in general use loadout especially against pubs.
full nacelle
duelling sword any good?
very good! love the headpoker
I've only ever played without coms with randoms
I'm a shy masochist
inner temple
I hate most randoms..
full nacelle
randoms are people too
wet ether
with you on that one bro i've had my fair share of randoms that i've had to carry
full nacelle
I like carrying randoms tbh
what I don't like is randoms who take every ammo pickup and move at a snail's pace and shoot the poxburster right in front of me
wet ether
I like carrying randoms tbh
at least some does
full nacelle
at least some does
hey I used to be the worst guy in the lobby... feels good to pay it forward
atomic zephyr
finally gave in and bought the armageddon cosmetics
dont think ill end up buying any others
full nacelle
finally gave in and bought the armageddon cosmetics
are you dripped out though?
atomic zephyr
are you dripped out though?
with this jacket? hell yeah i am
full nacelle
with this jacket? hell yeah i am
damn right king
atomic zephyr
literally the only cosmetic pack i've ever actually wanted
wet ether
my drip
formal pebble
what I don't like is randoms who take every ammo pickup and move at a snail's pa...
On occasion
full nacelle
same dude
wet ether
this is one of the vet helms i look forward to seeing
inner temple
I agree looks good
inner temple
same dude
Or just let us toggle it idk itd just be nice to have goggles aswell or something.
full nacelle
Or just let us toggle it idk itd just be nice to have goggles aswell or somethin...
Yeah the fetish gear is nice but it's just too impersonal
besides, I like to look the heretics directly in the eyes when I slay them
inner temple
Yeah the fetish gear is nice but it's just too impersonal <:uwugryn:106288247931...
Haha on zealot that gear actually looks cool af but when I first seen it I was like 'you serious?'
full nacelle
Haha on zealot that gear actually looks cool af but when I first seen it I was l...
Haha I'm picking it up for Vet when we get the assless chaps update
cmon Fatshark
inner temple
Ok actually tho I wouldn't mind to have my zealot shirtless and just have them charging into the frontlines. Their faith is their armor hah
full nacelle
Yeah it's really disappointing we don't have more looks that let us show off our tattoos
inner temple
Yeah
full nacelle
I feel bad for the poor artist who made all those textures just to have them covered
inner temple
Same
Its like that guy that did the dreamworks dragons movie where the giant white dragon comes out of the water has this insane detail then its covered by the effects
oblique sparrow
Is the Plasma gun or Bolter better meta wise
full nacelle
Its like that guy that did the dreamworks dragons movie where the giant white dr...
Hahaha I know the exact video you're talking about
full nacelle
Is the Plasma gun or Bolter better meta wise
plasma is broken... bolter is REALLY good and more fun imo
and fun meta is more important than power meta
oblique sparrow
plasma is broken... bolter is REALLY good and more fun imo
I’d agree. Bolter is less annoying to use
full nacelle
try them both out and see what you like
I'm really not a fan of the plasma. I find it boring and it trivializes the game to an extent.
full nacelle
Bolter ain't perfect either but I'll still take it over Plasma any day
oblique sparrow
I’ve been completing my first Maelstorm missions with the bolter on vet
full nacelle
ayy congrats
oblique sparrow
Wait why can't I post iamges
full nacelle
Wait why can't I post iamges
you're too new
they block you from doing it until you've been around a little longer
jaunty rune
does loading into a defeat screen mess up auric storm survivor?
i didnt even get to play it just loaded the defeat screen
inner temple
plasma is broken... bolter is REALLY good and more fun imo
Plasma gun is fun tbh. I enjoy it. I like using the strength build up
full nacelle
Plasma gun is fun tbh. I enjoy it. I like using the strength build up
Nothing wrong with that! Plenty of folks love it. My taste is a bit different from most folks. I prefer the normie bullet guns over the lasers and plasma.
leaden skiff
Boltgun and Plasma users duking it out for the one shots, while the las and autogunners cheer on the violence.
oblique sparrow
Meanwhile pistols:
verbal burrow
I like carrying randoms tbh
Me too. Most of the time I descend to difficulty 4 to carry while I level up weapons
Sometimes they even notice it
oblique sparrow
I'm usually decent but aoe attacks are what usually kills me
verbal burrow
I want that top <:uwugryn:1062882479310110720>
It’s from penances, pretty easy to get. I combo it with the penance headset
full nacelle
It’s from penances, pretty easy to get. I combo it with the penance headset
Oh it is?! I always thought you had to buy that one... I guess I should actually try to do penances
verbal burrow
Boltgun and Plasma users duking it out for the one shots, while the las and auto...
I use Plasma when I have to go hard, and other ranged weapons like bolter when I just want to have fun
verbal burrow
Oh it is?! I always thought you had to buy that one... I guess I should actually...
Penances just finish while you play the game
full nacelle
Penances just finish while you play the game
Yeah but that must be really high up in points... I've been playing for 400+ hours and I think I have under 4000
inner temple
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Thanks I like how it feels
Can use it in bursts ita versatile and honestly the reload seems nice
full nacelle
it's definitely not great by any means but its also not useless by any means
D-tier gun in Darktide means it can clear the hardest content in the game
inner temple
Listen only time when a weapon is F tier in my opinion is when its literally just terrible. Like you're better throwing axes or your socks at them
full nacelle
im trying to make the hellbore work
Yeah... Yeah it is... Helbore in general is kind of wonky
inner temple
im trying to make the hellbore work
Ye have weapons specialist yes?
deft crystal
focus target bb
inner temple
Weapon specialist isn't the worst with it. But it definitely needs faster prep time. Its not even that amazing tbh
jaunty rune
if only helbore could also block and shove then i never need to use a melee weapon ever again
inner temple
if only helbore could also block and shove then i never need to use a melee weap...
Hear me out.. the special is an alternate mode melee and gun mode.
jaunty rune
im listening
inner temple
I have no clue why youd have to turn off its safety every time tho.
inner temple
im listening
Thats it. Just that. Itll have stamina use for block and shove and you can switch quickly to rapid stab if necessary.
deft crystal
for perks
u want crit chance and dmg
Then surgical and weight of fire
hold on let me
find mine rq
wet ether
hey what gun is versatile?
deft crystal
hey what gun is versatile?
Revolver, infantry auto gun vraks, Plas gun
Im trying my darnest to make a build for helbore
thats brain dead
full nacelle
I dunno if I'd call the revolver versatile... it kind of sticks to its lane
inner temple
Yeah it has good crit chance making you have unlimited ammo anyway despite the blessings. Its just terrible at doing its job..
jaunty rune
helbore cannot be braindead
full nacelle
I don't know if you can make the helbore braindead... it requires too much... AIMING
inner temple
I dunno if I'd call the revolver versatile... it kind of sticks to its lane
Yeah good dps and usually just for special and elite.
deft crystal
This is the best I could cook
Exe stance for obvi reasons
Shredder nades to help w horde
The rest are just meta nodes
Meant for counter sniping elites
inner temple
Don't get me wrong. Helbore is great I enjoy it. But geez its like flipping a coin when I use it
deft crystal
and specialist
full nacelle
longshot and kill zone are bad but other than that this is really solid
wet ether
any other versatile guns?
grand perch
longshot and kill zone are bad but other than that this is really solid <:thumbs...
agreed, was about to write the same
deft crystal
longshot and kill zone are bad but other than that this is really solid <:thumbs...
FML
I didnt realize i picked up killzone
inner temple
Pretty much only time I can use it is against snipers and anything focusing my team.
full nacelle
happens to the best of us
grand perch
opening salvo is great for shock trooper builds anyway
deft crystal
Actually
wet ether
is the revolver versatile?
deft crystal
I dont need the left node under weap spec
deft crystal
is the revolver versatile?
Idk why i put revovler
just for picking out enemies in a horde
So no
full nacelle
is the revolver versatile?
I think you need to describe what you mean by versatile but no it's not
revolver has pretty much one thing it does and does it REALLY well
deft crystal
Like oh hey look trapper behind 2 other guys whips out revolver and hipfires because hip fire is 100% accurate
full nacelle
agripinaa revolver can do a little bit more but also isn't amazing at either of them
inner temple
is the revolver versatile?
Any autogun really, any las, plasma and bolter.
wild vortex
deft crystal
longshot and kill zone are bad but other than that this is really solid <:thumbs...
I can take off always prep and pick up weapon swap speed
at the top for one motion
Cause reload aint that bad on las guns
its usually 1 to 1.5 seconds
inner temple
Ive used braced autogun at distance to kill shooters and elites. Just do autoguns in bursts otherwise it 'blooms'
full nacelle
I can take off always prep and pick up weapon swap speed
Oh yeah I forgot this was a helbore build! Yeah you don't need always prepared in that case. If you're running one of the helbores with a good bayonett attack I know a lot of folks like Agile Engagement too.
deft crystal
Oh yeah I forgot this was a helbore build! Yeah you don't need always prepared i...
Point tax
Id probably have to drop the crit ammo