veteran-class

[pale pecan]

There's push combos too

Attacks that chain from a push

[final zealot]

Yeah

thats how I found out

was looking at the chainsword moveset to figure out whats its go to hordeclear combo, and it wasnt working the way it should have, so I looked online and discovered push attacks lol

also, god the difference between vraks and columnus is crazy

the recoil on columnus is so ass

or at least it seems worse

Though im wondering if I should run Vraks or Agripinna for a marksman stance build

Love how stupidly fast Vraks fires though

[sleek garden]

what is ds

[pale pecan]

Duelling Sword

I assume

[sleek garden]

makes sense

[final zealot]

Nintendo DS

You pull it out to deal with crushers, theyd never hit a man while hes playing nintendogs

[verbal burrow]

Welcome to sentience

[spring spindle]

I’ve been using decimator and skullcrusher on shovel (the basic one without a charged attack) is that the way to go?

[spring spindle]

If you haven’t checked your dogs in years I just might myself

[pale pecan]

You might find more success with Decimator Uncanny Strike

But if you're going for Stagger, you can't go wrong with Skullcrusher

I just believe the Shock Mauls are better for using Skullcrusher with if you're going for Stagger.

[idle swallow]

I literally never use the DClaw parry, do you need to lmb after a successful parry to do the riposte or is it automatic if you hit the timing window

[austere mica]

It just happens

[pale pecan]

The only time I try to parry groups of enemies is if I have Devastating Strike Active

Cuz then that makes the parry cleave soft targets

[austere mica]

WHY would you run devastating strike

[pale pecan]

Which is good for groups of ragers

[radiant chasm]

It’s better to just oneshot them

Dstrike is just cleave isn’t it

[pale pecan]

80% cleave on crit for 5 seconds

[austere mica]

It’s 80% for 5s after crit

Which is

Terrible

Savage sweep is right there

[pale pecan]

Yes but I really need it for the time limit, 5 seconds is plenty of time to line up some good parries.

[austere mica]

Then use wrath or something

Devastating strike is terrible

[pale pecan]

I do think it only limits parry to being able to hit 2 ragers, but still better than one.

[austere mica]

You don’t even want a cleave blessing on dclaw you want shred because you need crit adm’s

[pale pecan]

Shred DS is what I'd been running on my Catachan Swords for ages now

[austere mica]

Shred rampage is way better

If you want a cleave blessing run something that actually reaches triple digits

[spring spindle]

Is uncanny the rending one or the weakspot after push one I don’t remember or feel like opening the game

[pale pecan]

Rending, Take a Swing is weakspot after push

[radiant chasm]

That does nothing

Literally

Cleave doesn’t change damage dealt

[pale pecan]

I know

[radiant chasm]

Then go wrath or sweep

[pale pecan]

Again, I said I was using it specifically for the fact it lets my parry hit an extra elite

[austere mica]

Also, the cleave falloff on parry is really high

[radiant chasm]

Both are miles better

[austere mica]

Hitting a second target doesn’t do nearly as much damage

[tall torrent]

Parry has 8 cleave (max cleave target)

[pale pecan]

It still 1 hits

[tall torrent]

What elite are u trying to hit

Scab rager?

[pale pecan]

Dreg

[tall torrent]

U can hit 2 by default

[pale pecan]

Well then ig you're right it is shit

[tall torrent]

Dreg rager is 4 mass

[pale pecan]

Cuz I thought I was only hitting 2 cuz of DS

Since it was very easy to proc

[radiant chasm]

[tall torrent]

I have cleave values listed in my guide

[pale pecan]

Ik I just need to read

[tall torrent]

do it then

[pale pecan]

I'll tune stuff as I go

[lofty nova]

Did they remove some weapons ? all the weapons available for laz recorn are VLc but the ones in a video are VLd

are VLd's not a thing anymore ?

[pale pecan]

No, look above the weapon cosmetic application

Right side of the screen in your wep inv

You have "Marks" now

[tall torrent]

Renamed

[pale pecan]

You can swap whenever.

[austere mica]

We always had marks, you just couldn’t switch

[pale pecan]

Now you can, so Brunt only sells 1 weapon now

The initial mark, you gotta switch to the one you want.

Personally I think that system is unintuitive.

[lofty nova]

so still no VLd but i guess it doesn't matter

[pale pecan]

The Brunt UI makes it look like there are so few weapons

[lofty nova]

also the other guy said renamed

[pale pecan]

Also yes renamed

[pale pecan]

The gun is still there no?

[lofty nova]

so VLc is the same as the Vld in video ?

good to know.

[pale pecan]

What color is it lol

[lofty nova]

was so confused. for a bit

[pale pecan]

Just go off that

If they're using a skin go off ammo

[pale pecan]

But no sorry I thought you were confused about where that recon lasgun went in Brunts

[lofty nova]

was looking for this

cuz what i had in my inventory was rapid fire, VLc this was torrent VLd

[pale pecan]

Yeah, that's the blue recon las, the light one.

[tall torrent]

VId is renamed to XII

[pale pecan]

I don't remember them by name

[austere mica]

PLEASE do not use that knife

[pale pecan]

Just color lol

[lofty nova]

noted. i think my big complaint when i was playing vet last time was the melee kinda sucked.

so got a better knife these days ?

[tall torrent]

Veteran has the highest melee damage scaling of all 4 classes

[austere mica]

Knife is best run with uncanny\riposte+precog

[pale pecan]

You could try mine, just change the dump stat to Penetration

[spring spindle]

This is completely off topic but isn’t your pfp Scolipede or do I have the name wrong

[pale pecan]

For the knife that is*

You'll need to take Serrated Blade to proc Mercy Killer tho

So don't forget that

[austere mica]

Yes

[spring spindle]

Based

[pale pecan]

But if you do that you can 2 to 3 shot a Crusher

So it's nice.

[lofty nova]

So we still using the MKIII blade or the IV blade ?

[pale pecan]

I use the Mk6

Specifically for the cleaving heavies and the punch combo

[tall torrent]

VI is better

[pale pecan]

If you punch headshot 1st with the knife it'll proc 1 stack of Uncanny and apply the bleed for Mercy Killer

[austere mica]

I like mk3

[pale pecan]

Then you can just stab til' dead.

[austere mica]

It feels better for the way I use it

On zealot I use mk6 because I don’t have the luxury of consistent ranged clear

[tawny timber]

i just started using knife and switched to mk3 and like it much more

[placid portal]

I just use Dueling swords because poke poke poke poke poke poke

[austere mica]

Dueling swords don’t have crack speed so I like them less

[placid portal]

true giving up that sprint speed bonus while charging heavies is a massive L

[earnest bone]

But you have throwing stuff to deal with specials/elites and flamer to deal with any mixed hordes or you mean not enough ammo w/o survivalist

[austere mica]

Yeah

I can’t use flamer on every single horde or group larger than 15

[earnest bone]

#fsreplacelonerwithsurvivalist

[frigid swallow]

so just a quick question: the build guides ive seen for veteran show Blessed bullet curios, but it doesnt really matter which curio to get as long as they have the exact blessings and perks right?

[dry cloak]

Yes

[inner temple]

Unless a quick build around it heheh buut it still relies on teamwork.

[earnest bone]

You technically can, but that would require to use the most broken class in the game right now

https://tenor.com/view/psyker-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-command-squad-imperial-guard-gif-23571492

[full nacelle]

Good evening fellow veterans

[shut talon]

greedy ass tree

[peak salmon]

I know they are relatively mid but what is the best mark for infantry lasgun?

[full nacelle]

no Iron Will?! you absolute madman

[shut talon]

wait i got grenades instead of iron will lmao

[full nacelle]

oh was that an oopsie?

Bring it Down! is also a legendary mode on every build

it's kind of lame every single vet build's optimal setup is the same damn nodes down the bottom middle tree

I wish Fatshark balanced a bit more often

[shut talon]

I mean I can drop focus target for Bring It Down

[full nacelle]

I would drop the crit passive node up top

Bring It Down is nice

or Rending Strikes depending on what weapons you're using

[earnest bone]

zealot tree isn't much different

there's a lot of core talents you want and can't really evade

[full nacelle]

Oh Zealot tree is the worst for that! It's the reason I never play mine despite having a lot of fun on him

[earnest bone]

vet has MUCH better choice to build tho

[full nacelle]

I have 20 builds on vet and... 4 for zealot

[earnest bone]

yeah

it's pretty much goes like that

[peak salmon]

anyone?

[earnest bone]

zealot can go up to 7-8 at best

[shut talon]

honestly i wish we had proper weapon stat transparency

[full nacelle]

saaaame Claide

[full nacelle]

I think it's agreed they're all relatively well-balanced now tbh

[earnest bone]

since no one is replying, i'd say that imo all of those are shet

[peak salmon]

fair enough

[earnest bone]

recon is da wae

[peak salmon]

yeaaaa thats the feeling I'm getting too lol, just doing mastery

[shut talon]

they're all fairly mid

just so we have a quorum of one vote each

[grand perch]

(i dont think they are)

[full nacelle]

tbh the infantry lasguns are actually all good B-tier guns... they just don't fill any niche that other guns don't fill better

[earnest bone]

some people level mastery via Sacrifice option, but im not sure what's the most optimal way for Sacr

[full nacelle]

like I'm the kind of guy who makes a build for everything on Vet

[peak salmon]

sure it's just slow af

[earnest bone]

that way you dont need to use the gun you DONT want to use

[full nacelle]

and I couldn't find a reason to use one... I just slapped one on a melee build and called it a day

but they're still good guns that will work fine in all content

[peak salmon]

I'm only spamming 4s anyways, just farming mats and good rolls to level up

[shut talon]

sacrifice is fast if you have the docks and plasteel.
then leveling the last 2 via play let me get a feel of if i like a weapon or not

[earnest bone]

i wonder if someone already counted the numbers (aka cost) to do so from 1 to max

[shut talon]

it kinda depends on what ratings brunt gives you

[full nacelle]

just spam auric missions with the weapon equipped and buy up all of the weapons for the one you want mastery on

doesn't matter what rarity, they all give the same amount

[peak salmon]

I buy the ones of same type I'm working on, but spamming auric is a bit above my skill level still

done damnation a decent bit

[earnest bone]

i got all weapons for all classes on max mastery day1 patch hits, so i was never able to test the sacrifice system

[shut talon]

I'm too scrub to dare to go to auric with a shit stat weapon

[full nacelle]

You'll get there soon! Just takes some practice. Took me a long time to upgrade from damnation to auric damnation but now I can't imagine going back.

[peak salmon]

that too lmao. 4 is highest I've done leveling some mid or worse weapon like las pistol

[earnest bone]

laspistol is pretty good, at least mk2, mk10 used to be a beast

[terse idol]

Holy thats possible? That's craazh

[earnest bone]

but got nerfed

[terse idol]

You literally hit every single tier of blessing for every single weapon?

[shut talon]

4s is fast.
maelstroms 3s give you d5 weapon exp tho

[full nacelle]

What I did was I would run a melee build with the weapon as my secondary and pray I didn't need it... Mostly just spammed my Combat Axe/Duelling Sword builds

[peak salmon]

definitely feel like since the patch between build accessibility and the buffs that I'm doing higher difficulties more regularly

[earnest bone]

it was easy by just buying weapons from brunt

i didnt play much ogryn and psyker, just bought brunt stuff

and it was enough

[peak salmon]

it only felt fine to me but it was a mid roll on zealot 😛

not optimal in the slightest

[full nacelle]

Yeah it helps a TON! The game is a lot more accessible now which is great. I hated spending weeks on end trying to roll decent weapons.

[shut talon]

psyker was my main pre patch, and i didn't even have a maxed weapon when i loaded up

now, psyker is my weakest class

[peak salmon]

highest I had was like 12 or 13 on p.sword I think

that and revolver

[earnest bone]

i also used(scrapped) all weps to unlock blessings pre-patch, that too helped i guess

[full nacelle]

I think my highest was around mastery level 6 and now I have all the ranged weapons on Vet maxed... cept plasma, I hate plasma

[earnest bone]

and after the patch i deleted like 90% of my zealot and veteran weapons

[shut talon]

i wonder if pre-patch blessings had anything to do with the levels you got when you loaded in

[earnest bone]

i took around 8 hours total to sort out shit

[earnest bone]

yes, it was stated

by FS

so you could prepare for it

[shut talon]

oh i can't read

[full nacelle]

I missed the memo too

[peak salmon]

I'm almost there. is autopistol any good? I assumed that, some of the autoguns and las pistol would all be mid or worse

[earnest bone]

Autopistol is one of the worst weapons in the game

[grand perch]

i was dilligent enough to get all blessings on all weapons for all classes. sacrificing would have been less time consuming i think

[shut talon]

ngl it took me 2 days to figure out that sacrificing same weapon families gave you like 5x the weapon xp

[peak salmon]

sounds about right lol

[full nacelle]

Nah the autopistol is the worst gun in the game by a good margin. I still run one on one of my builds but it really needs buffs.

[shut talon]

it works, but god I hated using it. Secondary weapon with a focus on secondary

[earnest bone]

a base damage buff by like 20% would be a good start

[full nacelle]

the only saving grace with the autopistol right now is inspiring barrage

[earnest bone]

not anymore

since braced guns now also has it

[shut talon]

can't you just bring a braced autogun

[earnest bone]

and they are significantly better

[full nacelle]

it has crap damage, crap ammo economy, decent mobility, and ok suppression

[shut talon]

it draws fast tho

[grand perch]

coincidentally i have been trying to get the shredder to work in some capacity the last couple a days

[full nacelle]

true, you can pull out your crap gun really fast

[peak salmon]

exactly. I didn't use much autogun pre patch but I was surprised how multiple of the braced and infantry marks are crazy good

[earnest bone]

[grand perch]

this is the build im most happy with, shredder + rashad:

[earnest bone]

why are you doing that to yourself

[shut talon]

did you not use the IAGs??

[full nacelle]

I tend to lose my stacks because of the way the braced autoguns work... Which is to say they actually kill stuff in front of me. I don't need to have to worry about that with the autopistol.

thing is a peashooter

[peak salmon]

not familiar

[grand perch]

gotta keep experimenting after 1600hrs

[earnest bone]

tho if going into something funny, i'l try hellbores next

pistol is just too much sht to play around with

[shut talon]

hellbore with the crit ammo thing is funny

[full nacelle]

Shredder is funny and can work. It just really doesn't have a niche at all compared to other guns. I still enjoy using it cause I'm a masochist.

[earnest bone]

im honestly disappointed they didnt touch autopistol in any way with crafting update

[grand perch]

theres one thing it can do, stagger trappers real quick

[earnest bone]

while they did touch hammer and stuff

[full nacelle]

I like that the autogun secondary knocks everything on its ass

that's cool

[shut talon]

I enjoyed doing rashad/DS + DB shotgun with weapon spec

[full nacelle]

I would honestly rather they lean into the unique utility of the gun. Give it a crapload of ammo and make it a suppression machine. A true utility gun.

but that's just me

[ruby cargo]

You are better off with +15 DMG to elites or +20 ranged DMG instead of rending, since you also have onslaught

[grand perch]

a cool blessing might have saved autopistol. live the 50 cleave thing on helbore

[shut talon]

had to drop Superiority Complex tho for the instant ammo

[grand perch]

you might be right, hadnt considered that

[full nacelle]

I would have loved to see a cool new autopistol blessing... but doesn't the helbore cleave blessing suck?

[earnest bone]

maybe something to do with supression, like all supressed targets receive +20% incoming damage

[shut talon]

does it not have that

[grand perch]

suppression is not a mechanic any blessing should lean on

[earnest bone]

yeah

[grand perch]

powderburn iirc does that

[full nacelle]

they have that... it's called powderburn and it sucks sadly

[earnest bone]

[peak salmon]

I don't have an ideal roll but combat shotty feels kinda anemic this patch

[grand perch]

its one of 2 best picks for the fastest firing helbore

[peak salmon]

really should just let them load special ammo at all times

[shut talon]

maybe it should, yknow. shred. Give it a bunch of armor piercing.

[peak salmon]

or use a magazine

[grand perch]

you can pick 50 cleave instead of weight of fire

[full nacelle]

Really? I heard it was just a gimmick

Oh yeah on the fast firing one

I could see that

Also it's funny because the braced autoguns are actually THE suppression guns of Darktide

[dry cloak]

Brown helbore the best

[full nacelle]

I don't see why they can't do the same for the autopistol

[grand perch]

its kind of fun deleting a lined up horde that way

[dry cloak]

Also buff helbore surgical

Feom 0.3 to 0.2

[grand perch]

probably because a low caliber pistol cleaving through 50 guys is kinda unrealistic, but id like to see that

[full nacelle]

Oh I meant making the autopistol have suppression like the braced autoguns

[grand perch]

or give it an intrinsic bleed or some shit, anything interesting really

[full nacelle]

it's such a unique playstyle that only the braced autoguns really do

would be cool if the autopistol was the sidearm equivalent

[peak salmon]

only fix autopistol needs, dual wield

[full nacelle]

I'd be down for that lol

[earnest bone]

but there's not much they can do with autopistol i guess, either to add cleave blessing or to add a small explosion aoe when bullet hits, but both are still within a role of horde/nonarmor special/elite clear.
Britleness(or rending) would be bad, even with old chastise Zealot Autopistol damage with armor downgrade was hot trash

[full nacelle]

personally I'm hoping for Gloryhunter on autopistol

[tall torrent]

That’s pretty pointless

Most elites have flak Armor

[full nacelle]

I run it as a Born Leader build like a monster with Onslaught

[steady ibex]

I'm not a big Veteran player so here's a general question, what is Veteran generally 'good at' other than ranged with a ranged build?
Essentially what roles can it fill that other classes can't as fill as well?

[tall torrent]

Best melee damage scaling, best general team support, best mid-long range priority target elimination

[full nacelle]

Versatility. They have the most build variety in the game. Can slot into any role. Extremely well-rounded. Also just generally incredible special snipers and offer a ton of support options.

[tall torrent]

In terms of melee
Zealot hits faster
Veteran hits harder

[peak salmon]

weapon specialist lets you play double barrel shotty or revolver, get 1 melee kill, swap to gun which loads 1 bullet, shoot, swap to melee get 1 kill, swap, repeat. that with shout and kraks makes a great front liner

[odd sparrow]

except for the thunder hammer niche case

[tall torrent]

Yea, I mean it for the weapons that do get shared between the 2 classes

[steady ibex]

Thanks guys!
I didn't know Veteran generally hits harder, how is that so?

[tall torrent]

Veteran has more consistent damage & finesse scaling

For melee

[full nacelle]

Very good melee talents on their right side. Less about a constant stream of attacks and more about massive crits/finesse hits.

[peak salmon]

good talents for stuff like 10% rending on everything, +20& damage against elites or ogryn/monstrosities, +25% melee or ranged damage after a kill with the other weapon type, etc

[full nacelle]

Obviously Zealots with Shroudfield will hit the hardest in one single attack but Vets do it more consistently with their talents

[steady ibex]

Hmm, interesting. Thanks!

[peak salmon]

infil gives you a smaller alpha hit and a better after stealth buff right? how is infil rn?

[tall torrent]

Veteran has more consistently higher melee damage

Zealot can hit harder in 1 singular attack

[peak salmon]

I assume good considering knife and weapon spec are crazy

[tall torrent]

Extremely strong in solo/duo context, debatably the weakest of the 3 abilities in a team context (not by much)

[full nacelle]

Infiltrate's attack buff is pretty meh. Generally not worth picking up. Infiltrate is still really good though. You take either Low Profile to be a backline assassin or Hunter's Resolve for a more consistent defensive option.

I don't find it weaker than Exe Stance, I think they're about even, but it really depends on what kind of team you're running with.

[peak salmon]

do shroud and infil get enemy phasing? like ignoring collision during stealth

[grand perch]

noooo

would be cool tho

[peak salmon]

didn't shade Kerillian get it?

or am I trippin

[full nacelle]

E L F

[peak salmon]

mah girl

[full nacelle]

not sure I didn't play her lol

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-kerillian-kruger-gif-7668792397127092646

[peak salmon]

wild

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C0uC1EVh9U
to illustrate

[earnest bone]

I'd say infiltrate is much stronger for pub games

it allows you to res up to 2 people

or do objective solo

and if you got 2 stacks - even better

doing objectives in pubs could be a big pain in the arse

[full nacelle]

Yeah Exe Stance is much more reliant on your teammates giving you some space to work with... But if they do

feels so good

[earnest bone]

but most of time they dont

[full nacelle]

tbh I've never played with coms or premades... always randoms

all I've ever known is suffering

[odd sparrow]

VoC is just good because it gives you space and makes teammates rarely go down

[full nacelle]

I still get some good use out of it though

VoC broken. Gold toughness broken. VoC extra toughness node should increase cooldown too.

Like it really is that simple. It is the most broken ability in the game by far.

I don't see how it hasn't been touched

[buoyant knoll]

40k years into the future and we still have to reload shotgun and revolver shell by shell...

[odd sparrow]

they have kept all the support abilities strong which is fair.

they have to be strong to compete with bigger dmg

[full nacelle]

Agripinaa revolver uses a speed loader making it the superior revolver

the other support abilities are balanced though... VoC is just leagues above everything else

I'm glad it lets my stupid goofy builds work but it really does need a nerf

[odd sparrow]

id argue sphere on psyker is also stupid good

[full nacelle]

it's ok... hard to stay in the bubble on auric maelstroms and doesn't give you that juicy gold toughness

[odd sparrow]

not getting shot + 10% toughness/sec regen is quite good

[full nacelle]

it breaks much more easily depending on the modifiers

honestly the toughness damage resistance is the more important part

50% the entire time you're inside is big

[dry cloak]

What would be third revolver mark

[lofty nova]

Does Vet have a dedicated melee build ?

[dry cloak]

Infitrate weapon spec

[lofty nova]

idk what that would look like i can't findanything on the youtubes

[full nacelle]

it has a few different ones but usually the setup on the right side of the tree is this

with zarona revolver

[dry cloak]

Or db or combat shotguns or bistol

[full nacelle]

I can lead you through a build. Do you have a weapon in mind you'd like to use?

[dry cloak]

For this caxes and mk6 power sword work good

Any vet melee works good

With possible exception of chain axe

[full nacelle]

Yeah honestly every build is generally just going to work their way down to that bottom right tree and just do that

[lofty nova]

good to know i had no specific melee weapon in mind. kinda hoped to not need to rely solely on daggers tho

[full nacelle]

it's always the best setup for melee builds

[full nacelle]

Oh don't sweat it! I recommend the duelling sword and the rashad combat axe. They're super fun.

[dry cloak]

Knifes are are ass imo on vet spec

[lofty nova]

specific MK dueling sword?

[dry cloak]

Mk4

[full nacelle]

4 every time

[shut talon]

some people have been swearing by 2

[dry cloak]

But try multiple melee weapons if you have funds

[full nacelle]

really? I've actually only ever seen people talk about 4

[half path]

Vet can play knife just as well as zealot trust me I’ve witnessed it

Bro thought he was a zealot I swear

[dry cloak]

Tried a power sword with bromentum. And Didnt just spam powered attacks

[full nacelle]

Knife is ALWAYS good. It's just built different.

[dry cloak]

I know because its my sidearm for my sniper build. Mk6 knife with haymaker

[full nacelle]

the difference is that zealot knife builds are MUCH funnier

[lofty nova]

do you use infiltrate ?

[shut talon]

re: DS2 vs 4. H1 for both are the same. Maybe the light spam is faster on 2. 2's H2 is horde clear instead of stab, so you might need to H1->special for hardier elites/monsters

[dry cloak]

Yes infiltrate is good for melee vet

[full nacelle]

Depends on the build. Either Infiltrate or Voice of Command on melee builds. The nodes you take on Infiltrate vary too.

[full nacelle]

Do you want me to link you my duelling sword/rashad builds?

[earnest bone]

rending on crit is just sht, i wish they reworked it

even taxes cant properly use it

[lofty nova]

yes plz

[stoic thorn]

did i do well lmfao

[full nacelle]

dude so is skirmisher and it breaks my heart because I want to use it on my run and gun build so bad

[earnest bone]

but they buffed skirmisher111111

devs listened

tm

https://tenor.com/view/mrpokke-gif-5189420829856872386

[stoic thorn]

whats the diff between elites and specials

[verbal burrow]

What were you trying to do?

[full nacelle]

they sure did! now I only have to sprint for a full 2 second every 6 seconds to maintain the buff

[stoic thorn]

mulch elites and specials

anything thats not a poxie or a trooper

[earnest bone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies

[full nacelle]

I gotchu! one sec while I put them on the build site

[earnest bone]

refer to this till you remember

[full nacelle]

specials are like the specials from Left 4 Dead where they're very unique and have sound cues when they spawn

[earnest bone]

but if you mean if there's difference on practical level, then there's none, it's just to create more bloat

for perks and blessings

[stoic thorn]

thats pretty nice

[full nacelle]

elites are just heretics you want to kill fast because they show up on the scoreboard

[stoic thorn]

yeah i eat those elites and specials for breakfast

executioner stance + godroll plasma with dump charge

[dry cloak]

Gloryhunter DOES NOT work on specials yes?

[stoic thorn]

boss enemies get the focus fire

Had to compete with a melee vet who HAD plasma but just used his catachan devil knife the entire game

At one point this bitch hogged so much ammo I had 3 shots left and the mf had a full stock and was still using melee

[verbal burrow]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=24sQfj4kYTQ&pp=ygUSRGFya3RpZGUgY2luZW1hdGlj

[verbal burrow]

Elites only, but still worth it

[dry cloak]

Ok thanks

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5a0b37-5b25-4a27-8223-5e7bba37a021/melee-vet-stabby-boomstick

Here is the duelling sword one

I took Hunter's Resolve on Infiltrate so I can effectively hold aggro for my team using Infiltrate but you can swap it for Low Profile if you want to be more of a backline assassin

[verbal burrow]

Your dankest source of damage resistance is keeping your toughness at 75% or higher. So anything you can get to spike your toughness bar back up from 99% to 100% is worth it

[full nacelle]

Taking Demolition Team instead of Duck and Dive is also a good choice if you're good with smoke grenades and don't just blind your teammates

[verbal burrow]

And the lesser classes receive 15% of what you regenerate in coherence

[mild hill]

Just as a hypothetical how important is confirmed kill

[full nacelle]

VERY important on a lot of builds. Not necessary for all of them.

[earnest bone]

id say extremely

[full nacelle]

It is always really good to have

[earnest bone]

if you are the one that kill most stuff

[verbal burrow]

I could hypothetically tell you if you show me which one that is

[verbal burrow]

An automatic pick on the way down

[earnest bone]

i'd say insane value

and the stacked regen do help in extreme situations

[lofty nova]

ty

[verbal burrow]

Anything that keeps your toughness over 75% is tactical value absolute

[mild hill]

Let’s say we’re running voc would we maybe be able to do without it

[earnest bone]

its even better with VoC

your toughness will always be gold with regen

[verbal burrow]

You would deploy the ultramarines to retrieve it if it got hit by an ork waagh

[lofty nova]

So if it's a melee build why no take For the Emprah and close quarters combatant ?

[full nacelle]

Because For the Emprah goes off the second you use Infiltrate, meaning you won't make use of most of it yourself since you'll probably be stealthed and the 15% damage boost on Close Quarters is ok but not necessary for hitting any breakpoints and not nearly as universally useful as other nodes.

[earnest bone]

i use it together with low profile, but as been said here, Vet tree offer more fun choices

[mild hill]

And while we’re here I want to single shot the bolter I know full auto is better but I like single mode what blessing should I run

[full nacelle]

Plus this build has absolute buttloads of toughness regen so it makes really good use out of Born Leader. Melee vet setups are actually good candidates for Born Leader.

[lofty nova]

noted ty for explaining

now i have to wonder if the changes made playing Orgyn a lot smoother than it used to be

[full nacelle]

Sure thing! Feel free to ask away. Also keep in mind, you can run any build with any talents and win auric games. If you see something really thematic that you like don't be afraid to test it out even if it's not optimal or might not have as much synergy.

A lot of people get hung up on what's "meta" when the game is more about having fun and being good at the mechanics

[earnest bone]

stupid grenade build go

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-grenades-peter-familyguy-family-gif-9926709

[lofty nova]

yah well that's why i always wanted to run lazgun with burn and warpfire on gunker 😛 and melee vet.

[full nacelle]

go get em you mad bastard

[lofty nova]

my only real complaint about Ogyrns tho was they're so heavy attack focused and getting them out is super slow. so you stand there winding up but taking a beating while doing it

[full nacelle]

Follow your dreams! I'm starting to put together some build vods for youtube. Some of them are going to make Tanner Lindberg cry.

Can't wait

[lofty nova]

wait why does it look like the Ogryns talent tree is the only one they didn't change ? do they have the Ogryns ?

🤣 😭

[dry cloak]

No because ogryn is perfectly balanced

[lofty nova]

idk man i like the big guys but they seem like they're the ones that struggle the most. imo especially when their hit box is so massive

[dry cloak]

Thats the price we pay for protectin lil 'uns

[austere mica]

Their hit box being massive only really matters when you try to take cover or get stuck on things, otherwise it’s not an issue in my experience

[lofty nova]

I get shot at a lot >.<

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5a10fb-dc42-424e-87cc-1bf2b3ecd3b8/melee-vet-battle-medic-2

[austere mica]

Exact same number of melee slots and you can still dodge/slide bullets

[stoic thorn]

All was going well for ascension riser and then boom

7 crushers

[primal dune]

frag grenade spam, simple as

[full nacelle]

Here's my rashad build. It's a more supportive born leader build again but it's an incredible carry. You could easily move nodes around to make it more of a solo carry.

[stoic thorn]

7 crushers and the teamw was down in >30s

[austere mica]

Was it like

[stoic thorn]

Not even the supreme plasma could handle em

[austere mica]

During a horde or something?

[stoic thorn]

Yeah

They were at the front and managed to spawn pretty damn close to us

7 fucking crushers

[austere mica]

Most of my builds can handle fuck you 7 crushers time

Shame none of your squad could

[stoic thorn]

They were eating my plasma shots

I'm the mf who's supposed to kill em

My plasma is specialised in killing everything but massed crushers

And daemonhosts

Watched a lvl 29 get absolutely buttfucked by a daemonhost

Not sure why they were unloading their recon las into it

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5a10fb-dc42-424e-87cc-1bf2b3ecd3b8/melee-vet-axe-murderer
And here's the same build but opting out of being a born leader support build and just going pure melee DPS vet

Alright, no more build spam

[lofty nova]

well now i have a variety to work with ^_^

[full nacelle]

I gotchu! Hope you enjoy!

[dry cloak]

Kraks

[stoic thorn]

Don't we have a dedicated melee class

[frank basin]

zealot

[full nacelle]

Zealot is THE melee class

but every class has great melee builds

[stoic thorn]

Sometimes my executioners stance highlights let's me kill so many specials and elites I get to pop the ability right after it's finished

[full nacelle]

the best feeling in the world is seeing your screen constantly glow with fresh targets and just popping it over and over

[primal dune]

I like the sound highlighting makes

[full nacelle]

same

exe stance is so satisfying

I'm so glad they buffed it

[stoic thorn]

I once killed 3 gunners with a plasma

In one shot

[primal dune]

Though i'm more of a infiltrate vet these days

[stoic thorn]

They lined tf up

[dry cloak]

Im at a crossroads exe stance with helbore , graia vigilant or bolter

[stoic thorn]

Take the plasma pill

[dry cloak]

No

[stoic thorn]

Worth a shot

[austere mica]

Plasma is lame

Sleepy ass gun

[primal dune]

true

[dry cloak]

Tried didnt like

Leveled by sacrifice of other weapons

[full nacelle]

I don't like plasma either

[stoic thorn]

Love killing elites and specials so my team can cull the horde

[full nacelle]

not my thing

[dry cloak]

So please answer my question

[stoic thorn]

Boltgun

[full nacelle]

if I want to play an OP special sniper build I run Zarona revolver

its much more satisfying

[dry cloak]

Revolver has 5 shots

To little for me

[full nacelle]

I find that's part of the fun

the sick reload

and fast reloads for killing more stuff

[primal dune]

I always liked mk1 autogun for a headshot-heavy playstyle

[full nacelle]

while you're dodging and weaving with its high mobility

[primal dune]

that thing holds damage well over long ranges

[full nacelle]

that is a good time Spoke

[primal dune]

Mk5 is better but Mk1 still holds up

[dry cloak]

But this is a ,,sniper,, build so i want ,,sniper,, weapons

Like helbore or vigilant autos

[full nacelle]

I have a headhunter autogun "sniper" build and it feels worse to play

it's fine

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[full nacelle]

but it's never as good sadly 😦

headhunters need a buff

[dry cloak]

Vigil autos need tweking

[primal dune]

Or an overhaul

[full nacelle]

they need some level of armor pen

just ridiculous

they really do meh damage if you don't hit back to back headshots

or I can play the mk1 infantry autogun and shoot heads and also not have to entirely rely on it

I do like the feel of the two-shot mk

[primal dune]

Mk1 kinda suffers on bodyshots

[dry cloak]

And less stagger for burst ones

3 shot has to much stagger

And a little slow firerate

[full nacelle]

yeah the 3shot does not feel like a headhunter

[primal dune]

MkVIII infantry needs some sort of change

[full nacelle]

and the 1 shot is unforgiving in higher difficulties

[dry cloak]

Though if someone want it can be a nice general use rifle

The 3 shot one

[full nacelle]

Yeah I haven't even used the new columnus autogun

[dry cloak]

Its old graia iag

[full nacelle]

don't understand its purpose

[dry cloak]

A middle ground between mk5 and mk1

[full nacelle]

yeah... but as good as either one

[dry cloak]

Well i use it

[full nacelle]

oh yeah it's not bad by any means

[dry cloak]

And it gives me a lot of succes

[full nacelle]

I just personally don't see a reason to take it over one of the other marks... If I want rapid fire damage hose I go vraks. If I want a more precise cleaving autogun I go Agripinaa.

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[full nacelle]

it does sound good though

very dakkadakka

[dry cloak]

Try it for yourself

And then decide

[primal dune]

Yeah i like the sound

[full nacelle]

I got 20 builds as it is. I don't think I should do anymore.

[dry cloak]

Thats a lot

[full nacelle]

I love build crafting

[dry cloak]

I have whole of 9 across 3 classes

[full nacelle]

I've made builds for every gun type on vet and sometimes different marks of the same gun type

cept infantry lasgun... literally couldn't find one thing they did better than another gun besides shoot badass lasers

[dry cloak]

On vet i have sniper. Which uses boltgun helbore or vigilant

Second one is special forces that uses shotguns outopistol revolver and brautos

[full nacelle]

that sounds like a much more sane and reasonable way to make builds

[dry cloak]

And shout build that uses what ever and i dont use

[primal dune]

I like the autoguns too much to branch out, at least for now

[dry cloak]

On the sniper i need to try normal infantry lasgun

[manic moon]

• makes the same build just 2 nodes different * -> new "build"

[primal dune]

I just have builds for diffrent melee weapons

[dry cloak]

Which autoguns because there are 3 families

[primal dune]

Infantry

[manic moon]

well you have to be amaniac to enjoy headhunters and braced so most likely infantry

[full nacelle]

this happened a couple times when I was making my builds and then I have to come up with a new build or risk completely losing my mind

[earnest bone]

this is "More Characters and Loadouts" edited .ini right?

[full nacelle]

Yep! Sure is!

[earnest bone]

k was just asking in case if there was another one

[full nacelle]

Braced autoguns are great! I will not stand for this slander

[dry cloak]

Then try blue vigilant bracie

[manic moon]

no they are not

fat is not beautiful

[dry cloak]

They are good

[full nacelle]

Braced autoguns are good! Vraks is just broken.

[dry cloak]

Thats why i dont use vraksmk5

[earnest bone]

wdym not beautiful

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/474859644494544898/1196135863856402503/image.png?ex=67206b15&is=671f1995&hm=018b54cac9431511c64456e0e836b1a7346dfa94c90cb5bf4dc2e606f2b5d9cd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=979&height=380

look at this bad boy here

[dry cloak]

Bootiful

[full nacelle]

I use it in a deadshot run and gun build because it actually makes the gun take skill

very fun actually

but yeah I would never play vraks + shout vet

that's boring as hell

[dry cloak]

Since when iags have run and gun

[primal dune]

Can it reliably headshot? I run marksmans focus

[manic moon]

reliably headshot?

bruh you cant even aim at targets smaller than ogryns with that thing

[dry cloak]

Ten niebieski vigilant? Tak hujowo

[primal dune]

😔

[manic moon]

take the worst spreading weapons from cs , multiply it by 10x and htats the braced autogun's accuracy

its a weapon designed in <10m usage

[primal dune]

infantry autoguns my beloved

[manic moon]

like braced can be a fun alternative but good? hell naw

[full nacelle]

you don't play the braced auto to snipe... you play them to HOSE them down in bullets

[dry cloak]

Brązowy i zielony z vigilantów masz lepsze jak na exe stancie lecisz

[full nacelle]

they are good though

very few guns in this game aren't good

[dry cloak]

Graia brauto my beloved

[full nacelle]

Graia Brauto instantly suppressing the entire horde the second you start shooting

[dry cloak]

Especially o zealot with right side keystone and blue stimm

[full nacelle]

spraying the cowardly heretics as they run and scream in terror

[dry cloak]

If you have 5 mins try zealot with inoxersble jidment and blue stimms

[full nacelle]

I dream of the day we get gun zealot

[dry cloak]

This is gun zealot

With choir

Middle path plus inxojtjrjdhfjfkble and you have gun zealot

[full nacelle]

intriguing...

[manic moon]

look at ye postin heresy

[dry cloak]

Shut up

[full nacelle]

THE WAR IS OUT THERE MAN! OUT THERE!!

[steady ibex]

What Blessings should I put on Shock Maul and Shovel?

[full nacelle]

Highly recommend the pinned guide at the top for these kinds of questions

[steady ibex]

Oh awesome, thanks

[full nacelle]

No problem!

[manic moon]

if there are rend and thrust for a weapon its 99% gonna be those 2

shock maul actually has small variety has 1 good and quite a few its "okay" blessing

[full nacelle]

I'm tired as hell. I should go to bed.

[manic moon]

just 1 more round

look its a quick train mission

[full nacelle]

Well ok...

I do like trains

[royal adder]

Vet upset at helbore. Never played Vet. Is this cathartic for anyone?

[dry cloak]

Yeah helbores are not the best but usable

And i say it as a helbore enjoyer

[royal adder]

Oof then. Rest in peas. Sorry to Ima-pirate. Your fun game was taken from u.

[manic moon]

he is just honest

[dry cloak]

But they shine in ammo to damage ratio

[manic moon]

thats exactly how i feel when i play my obligatory 1 hellbore/ month game

[dry cloak]

Because shock trooper exists

[manic moon]

like dont worry he is not flaming you

he just wants to play hellbore too just knows he'll regret it

[royal adder]

Thanks vets.

[grand perch]

But can plasma stab things real good? I don't think so!

[manic moon]

we may never know since nothing comes close range when you have plasma

[verbal burrow]

Helbore is like BDSM for ranged characters

[analog yacht]

Nah bc that's actually enjoyable

[mortal kite]

the guide says plasma gun dump charge rate and heat speed equally but what about fully dumping heat ?

[analog yacht]

= that heat value is a breakpoint for how many shots you can get off before needing to swap/vent

[mental parcel]

did they add so that you can hear your teammates kill specials and elite
like the sound effect that plays?

i cant tell if i killed an enemy or if it was a teammate

[earnest bone]

you have popup text tho

if anyone kills the elite/special/boss/etc

[placid portal]

Helbore needs a special kind of mentality

you could make it easy by taking the spam variant but why use that when you have Kantrael so I end up doubling down on damage with the Brown Lucius with extra elite Carapace to 2 shot crushers

[placid portal]

you can also tell by the shoutout the characters say towards one another and it's either the 1st or 2nd person talking was the one doing the killing blow

[dry cloak]

Crit build on top of that

[placid portal]

Crit is mandatory, no questions

[dry cloak]

Shock trooper

[placid portal]

though you do 1 shot majority of enemies with charged up headshot

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[placid portal]

minus Mauler & crusher

and mutie bc high HP

[dry cloak]

Because its nit zarona with hand cannon

[placid portal]

damn I haven't used zarona forever

[dry cloak]

Damn hand cannon like blessing for helbore would fix a lot of problen

[dry cloak]

Zarona can oneshot crushers

[placid portal]

wot

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[placid portal]

Best I got was 2 tap

Cara Elite perk?

[dry cloak]

Focus target, exe stance hnd cannon surgical

Well 60%rending does its things

[placid portal]

no other passives like Bring it Down and Elite damage boost?

[dry cloak]

With all the boosts of course

[placid portal]

that's crazy

[dry cloak]

Yeah but revolver can oneshot crushers

While plasma cant

[placid portal]

Helbor Mk4 needs 2 shots

[dry cloak]

Yeah it needs 2 shots

[placid portal]

that's like 1.3s ttk if you perfect shoot em

given you already drawn your gun out

but Zarona can do that in less

[dry cloak]

Yeah revolver nerfs when

[placid portal]

revert zarona damage buff to 200~250

or just reduce finesse on crit

[dry cloak]

Well imo agrip revol should have the bigger damage because you can aim with it

And less cleave it has

[placid portal]

Zarona was able reach that high because of that insane 2.8x crit mult

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[placid portal]

lowering finesse and give it to Agripinaa Yeehawvler

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[placid portal]

now Agripinaa will be boss deleter

[dry cloak]

Agrip is a boss deleter

With trickshot

[placid portal]

even better deleter

[dry cloak]

If you can hit weakspots with agrip trickshot

You do nice chunks of damage

[placid portal]

I have so much fun with agripinaa

[dry cloak]

But true rushes of feel good are when you nail sniper on the head with it

[placid portal]

can always trust Agripinaa to make good guns

[dry cloak]

Yes

[placid portal]

that moment when you hear sniper chargeup but you draw first

https://tenor.com/view/quick-draw-cowboy-gif-25170342

[dry cloak]

I use the agrip revol on zealot

[placid portal]

Zealot has plenty of crit perks for gun?

[dry cloak]

For my weapon spec i use zarona

I believe so

[placid portal]

played all classes but can't understand em other than ogryn

[dry cloak]

Fair

But i think i will stop using helbore for the time being. Its just bad compared to other options i have

[knotty veldt]

Does deadshot talent work with plasma gun? unsure what exactly is meant by "alternate fire" assuming it works for the charge up shots?

[dry cloak]

Alternate fire is aiming,bracing

So yes it works

[verbal burrow]

Ye

[mental parcel]

it was a mod i had one that caused that

[verbal burrow]

From the moment I understood the weakness of the bore, it disgusted me

Also been using plasma for 3 years tho so it is time for bolter

[dry cloak]

Plasma for pussies

Bolter better

[placid portal]

Damn darktide has been out for 3 years

I will keep my faith in empra with helbor

[mental parcel]

it has better sfx

[dry cloak]

Also after using helbore for a bit longer i feel like im not doing anything

With bolter i kill everything

[mental parcel]

before the nerf bolter was king

but now theres better weapons

[dry cloak]

Bolter is nice with exe stance

[spice ferry]

How can you guys play with big bolter? Way too little ammo and such a long animation to switch back from melee...

[dry cloak]

Normally

140 shots of death is nothing to scoff at

Bistol has 108 shots with ammo talent

[spice ferry]

Bolt pistol is good. i use it on my Zealot sometimes. But the big bolter is slooow...

[primal dune]

As vet you often have your gun out to begin with so the switch speed doesn't matter that much

[dry cloak]

Plus 25% swap speed talents says sonething to you

[spice ferry]

Are u taking it for bolter?

[dry cloak]

Yes

[verbal burrow]

No u

[dry cloak]

Fair

[verbal burrow]

The short answer,

[misty turtle]

i used to have a point in charismatic always because i'm such a nice team player

[verbal burrow]

The long answer, not using the full auto feature, not wasting shots on things that don’t deserve it, being good at aiming, critting every shot

[misty turtle]

but i swapped it to one motion for +25% weapon swap speed. i'm never going back lol

now i just need to figure out where to get another point for faster reloads and i can finally enjoy playing boltgun

[verbal burrow]

The top right stuff definitely helps but it is not required

[misty turtle]

by the time i pull out my huge gun i'm already dead 10 times over

[primal dune]

Spending a precious perk point for swap speed sounds like heresy

[verbal burrow]

Nah

[verbal burrow]

It feels really smooth but it is possible to do without

[misty turtle]

honestly at this point i would take the +15% bonus against elite enemies away

because i just wanna be fast and cool like bolt pistol

[primal dune]

I just feel like vet is pretty starved for points

There's always something better you can get instead 25% swap speed

[verbal burrow]

No brother, you must buff your bölts

[misty turtle]

feels like the only way for me to start shooting is to shout at them first

[verbal burrow]

Sounds like a positioning problem

[misty turtle]

i mean ideally i'd just hide behind my friends but i don't have friends

all the pub players i get are suicidal maniacs

[primal dune]

Is it a problem? You'll get the shout back in like 5 seconds tac awarness

[verbal burrow]

If I notice a large amount of specials and elites, I peel back until there is a random between me and the enemy and then oneshot all problems

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as my teammates fail to mark the daemonhost and I fucking die

[primal dune]

Once i hear a demonhost ranged is off-limits until i see where it is

[misty turtle]

maybe i should just play zealot easy mode and never get staggered by anything

[stone adder]

uhhh, i mean, if you don't hear a host its kinda your fault tbh

[stoic thorn]

Try hearing a host while letting off plasma shot after plasma shot while there's about 10 gunners firing nearby

[stone adder]

i have.....

[stoic thorn]

Mf was hidden

[primal dune]

There's also smoke and the green LEDs

[stone adder]

i think there is enough audio hints and visaul ones to tell where a host is,

[stoic thorn]

I'm out here doing a job removing the specials and elites and they can't even fucking mark a host

[stone adder]

you even have the characters themselfs say it

"theres a deamohost near by!"

[primal dune]

Right, you get a pass if you shoot the host once

[green willow]

green glow

[stoic thorn]

By the time I heard the mf laughing because I was in the mist firing off shots and not noticing it was ovwr

[stone adder]

walking near it too, like im sorry but it is kinda your fault

[stoic thorn]

How tf would I know if I'm walking toward a host if I can't see it

[stone adder]

we told you.....

[stoic thorn]

It was like only the mist

No green leds

[primal dune]

Don't let these mfs play hard rain in left4dead2 ong fr fr

[stone adder]

even with my potato specs i always seen the green light

[stoic thorn]

Team proceeded to deal with 7 crushers and we died

[stone adder]

ignore im ogryn but look at this
even with this i can tell

[stoic thorn]

Tbh even if I was there I don't think we could've dealt with 7 crushers

Which is weird this is the 2nd time 7 crushers have appeared and wrecked the run

Today at least

My bad luck is astronomical

[primal dune]

keep improving, you'll be able to solo 7 crushers

[stoic thorn]

I could if my teammates could keep the horde off my ass for once

[primal dune]

What ability do you run? Exe stance?

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance focus fire

Plasma

With mk13 chainsword

Plasma is basically maxed out with dump being charge

[primal dune]

Frags or kraks?

[stoic thorn]

Frag

[primal dune]

Well that's the kind of situation you spam frags in

[stoic thorn]

For when my dumbass teammates can't keep the horde off me or I run out of big boys to shoot

[stone adder]

was your ability on cooldown or smt?

[stoic thorn]

No I was dead when the 7 crushers came in

The first time I was alive but got backed into a corner within like 10 seconds by the crusher horde

[stone adder]

sooo, you died to a host and then the 7 crushers came in?

[stoic thorn]

The second time round yeah

First time was on ascension riser earlier today

[primal dune]

Sometimes you're the anchor of the team, it's just how it is sometimes

[stoic thorn]

At the medicae station after the train moving part

[stoic thorn]

Horde came and so did 7 crushers

[primal dune]

If you start noticing that your team is struggling play extra safe

[stoic thorn]

Forgot if exe stance was on cd or active

Either way it did not make a difference

[verbal burrow]

A paltry 7 crushers should not be a problem

[stone adder]

what

[stoic thorn]

I'm playing on heresy

[tranquil shadow]

chickenbutt lmaooooo

[verbal burrow]

You succeeded

[stone adder]

in what

[verbal burrow]

Noticing Daemon-chan

[stone adder]

oh ok

[primal dune]

do not date demonhost

[stoic thorn]

Whenever there's another plasma on the team my ass flipping on the leaderboard to see who's the better plasma user

[stone adder]

daemonGYATT

[stoic thorn]

Why are all the trappers female

[primal dune]

that hoe will suck you dry

[dry cloak]

@stone adder begone to the zealot chat

[tranquil shadow]

why are all the pox hounds dogs?

[stoic thorn]

Yeah where's my pox kitties

[stone adder]

no

[stoic thorn]

Me when I get sneezed on the ogryn that summons another ogryn to eclipse the view of myself to a third unknown omnipresent party when he sneezes

[primal dune]

A variant of a poxhound where it's a modified human would go hard, quake 2 did that

[verbal burrow]

That is for you to wonder and rule 34 artists to ponder

[stoic thorn]

But seriously why are all trappers female

[dapper agate]

Very good commissar build I run.

I just saved a auric damnation run with it, crazy amounts of crushers, chaff, maulers and a chaos spawn chasing me around while everyone else was dead, I did manage to train and thin them out enough to res the allies and then things were sweet after that. My hands hurt from all the clicking though lol.

[stoic thorn]

Are the moebians sexist in their trapper job listings

Or are all the moebian females just insane like that

[tranquil shadow]

they all have a passion in their line of work

[stone adder]

the women of atoma are good at throwing nets or smt idk

[stoic thorn]

Where the fuck are my nurglings

[verbal burrow]

I choose to believe it is that

[stoic thorn]

We don't see any female moebians outside of the troopers so maybe that's just where all the more lunatic women went

[verbal burrow]

Not true, we got Zola, and most player characters are Moebian

[stoic thorn]

If they add Nurglings to darktide I want some of them to have a chance to moon you like in Boltgun

[tranquil shadow]

fanum tax

[stoic thorn]

I like my plagues drippy bruh

Anyway

Love me cadian vets

[tranquil shadow]

from the screen to the ring to the pen to the king

[stoic thorn]

be cadian
planet fucking explodes
get arrested
go to tertium

[dapper agate]

They're just all ex-dominatrix that were corrupted, that's why they have a netgun, they trying to bound everyone up for their BDSM dungeon.

[stoic thorn]

Damn bro didn't know the 6th had slaanesh in it too

[dapper agate]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aNapZj5fH2I

[stoic thorn]

Love me cadia
Love me emperor
Love me plasma

Hate me heretics
Hate me muties
Hate me xenos

Simple as

God I need that Scion helmet

I CRAVE for the tempestus scion helm

[stoic thorn]

GIMEE

[tranquil shadow]

still corpse starch
those who vox: 💀

[stoic thorn]

Either that or the Kasrfit

[primal dune]

You're getting the shitty rotating store and you're gonna like it

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as the emperor sends me the worst fucking team ever and I die to the hordes they should've dealt with

The chaos gods send me the worst fucking teammates so I don't get my plasma to a nice 500

[dry cloak]

Because youre not playing the strongest

[plain escarp]

Is this what you want on Recon?

[dry cloak]

Pretty muvh

But mobility as a dunp stat

[slow spade]

no collateral is the dump stat

collateral makes enemies stagger and suppress making it harder to do effective dps

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, it's one of the outliers in that respect

[verbal burrow]

No mobility is the dumpstat

As at least Collateral does something

[slow spade]

did you read what I said?

collateral literally makes recon perform worse

[earnest bone]

you can do infernus (in place of SS) and either +5% Critchance or left it as it is, it boosts boss dps significantly

[slow spade]

because you can't hit weakspot and enemies will take cover due to suppression

ideally, you have 0% collateral

[thick kestrel]

"technically" mobility affects the moving scatter/spread of the dakka... though the actual effect window is very small on the recon lasguns

[verbal burrow]

Yes and I disagree

I avoid suppression on plasma and bolter at all costs, but if I am rolling an accatran anyway, then I am maxing out on it to stun hordes

[thick kestrel]

the actual values are kind of on the lower effect range for collateral as well:

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wink-gotcha-you-tube-thanks-gif-19039548

[slow spade]

but Bolter wants Suppression...

because of Pinning Fire...

[plain escarp]

SS?

[earnest bone]

sharpshooter

[thick kestrel]

admittedly it does add up with the sheer dakka/zappa the recon lasguns throw out, but you're mainly moving a 2 into a 3 with max collateral

[slow spade]

you know what, you do you

[verbal burrow]

Bolter wants to introduce the fully charged surgical round to the target’s weak spot

[plain escarp]

ah thought you meant a blessing or smth

[earnest bone]

oh wait

[plain escarp]

I just want the best recon rn but not use it

[earnest bone]

Headhunter*

fckem these names

[thick kestrel]

of course the moving spread reduction isn't exactly massive either ^^

[earnest bone]

@plain escarpDumdum is something you dont want to replace, as it boosts damage of both normal shots AND Infernus burn stacks

[thick kestrel]

for context on my own lasgun I'm pulling the values from:

[slow spade]

I miss old Infernus

[verbal burrow]

He owns a lasgun for home defense

[slow spade]

Fatshark, make DoTs ignore armor again

[stoic thorn]

another carry i think

[slow spade]

it'll totally work out, trust me UwU

[verbal burrow]

They ruined dots while I was gone?

[stoic thorn]

99 fucking ragers killed by my plasma

99 ragers on the wall

take one down

pass it to the plasma vet

98 ragers on the wall

[slow spade]

na, at release DoTs ignored armor (and had no DoT cap) making Infernus op

they should do it again UwU

[verbal burrow]

I know. I am currently still acting on the assumption that dots ignore armor as I have been gone for a w h i l e

[grand perch]

heavy SoB breathing

[slow spade]

if only...

[slow spade]

sadly I didn't have a Recon infernus when it was a thing :c

[verbal burrow]

I did

And now I am sad

[stoic thorn]

Just got carried by a lvl165 zealot

He killed all the elites

[slow spade]

but did he get top plasteel and diamantine?

[misty turtle]

i made a meme build with nothing but melee perks, combat blade and an autogun

i'm this close from renaming my guy to john rambo and he's already wearing a tank top and basically looks the part

why is this so stupid and actually better than regular veteran

[slow spade]

vet is a really strong melee class

[misty turtle]

is every class just a worse zealot

[slow spade]

one of the strongest actually

if not the strongest

[misty turtle]

i even made the most brain dead build possible

with catachan mkvi for vanguard wide swipes

with flesh tearer and lacerate

so i don't have to aim just spam

[slow spade]

Khorne approves

[misty turtle]

rip and tear

[stoic thorn]

Gonna try my first auric

Wish me luck

[slow spade]

don't die c:

[stoic thorn]

I'm so fucked

[daring sage]

dont hit a barrel and wipe your team

ive been there

[stoic thorn]

And I'm dead

It's not even been a minute

[slow spade]

joined mid-run?

[stoic thorn]

Yes

[slow spade]

that'll do it

[stoic thorn]

Hm

[warm harbor]

From the audio lines I feel like the Veteran is actually growing close to the rest of the rejects while he is also deeply sad cause he misses the guardsmen he fought with
I can tell for sure he hates commissars

[stoic thorn]

Chainaxe looks funny

[warm harbor]

Is funny
Saws more than the sword

[slow spade]

I think mine misses Cadia

not certain though

[stoic thorn]

Dump stat on chainaxe?

[warm harbor]

All Cadians miss Cadia
My Cadia misses it af

[warm harbor]

I’m not playing rn
But they hit harder than swords

Yet slower

[stoic thorn]

Yeah yeah what's the dump stat for the chainaxe

[slow spade]

not sure why they miss a debris field UwU

[warm harbor]

It kills a ogryn with a few charged shots

[stoic thorn]

What stat needs to be at 60

[warm harbor]

Hard to say…
I try to keep up block and damage, never really looked at the others

[stoic thorn]

I'll just do it on the defense

[warm harbor]

My veteran is threatening of-
Off screen mumbling
I CAN’T SAY THAT!

[slow spade]

check the pinned guide

almost no vet I see uses chainaxe

likely due to its past rep (before the buffs) as the worst vet melee option

[stoic thorn]

What's a good melee for horde clear

[warm harbor]

Power Sword

[stoic thorn]

I'm fucking killing myself

[warm harbor]

If you charge it up it slices everything you have in front

[stoic thorn]

Dump stat?

[warm harbor]

Bro.
I do not look at the stats

I go by feelings

I use Chainsword when I gotta lock in

But just cause it’s my favorite weapon