veteran-class

[full nacelle]

[plush current]

Sounds like how you play the game too

[quaint kettle]

You are being purposely dense at this point, please step away from the screen

[slow spade]

my life for a player "mass" increase vs knockback

[full nacelle]

What does that even mean? lol

[hollow ibex]

said players rolling their eyes when they realize you're running revive shout when gold shout would've saved their lives to begin with 🙄

[full nacelle]

"You disagree with me? I bet you don't even care about the game"

[quaint kettle]

I understand some people were very rude about your opinion but luke was nothing but constructive and you are being an ass with terrible comebacks

[full nacelle]

like I don't think it's hard to say "I enjoy revive shout vet and get a lot of use out of it in my games" and also be able to see that there's a good argument for why it's not great

like we can all agree that gold toughness is a stupid mechanic

[quaint kettle]

hows this looking for a more stealthy vet build?

not super confident since I dont know these builds well

I usually stick to left and middle

[plush current]

I respect your opinion, but the "comeback" were responded in kind

[rancid needle]

Any tips for the on overwatch penance

[plush current]

Equivalent respect was given at all times

[quaint kettle]

Siro was the one who made the mean spirited comeback

luke got rightfully annoyed when you were being dense

[plush current]

I am not being dense.

[full nacelle]

Exploit Weakness on the bottom right is pretty bad. You're much better off taking the toughness node. For The Emperor is better than Born Leader. You could probably do without Marksman as well since that really leans into special sniper builds.

[plush current]

I appreciate the adjective however

[full nacelle]

You were unkind to me in the first place. I was just trying to help you out and inform you on why myself and other people share an opinion.

[tame lodge]

It's health damage
Gold toughness protects it
Being at full toughness will tank one hit

Push and dodge a lot

[full nacelle]

And this is coming from the guy who tries literally every node and every build

[quaint kettle]

if you die by jumping off a ledge it doesnt count as health melee dmg

if you got some friends just jump off a ledge and have them not revive you

[full nacelle]

You either run shout build and stay in gold toughness 24/7 or run infiltrate with low profile like a coward... I think the latter is usually better though I somehow did it my first try the first way.

[plush current]

You disregarded my opinion outright. I did the same to yours. That was a fair exchange. I am sorry you saw unkindness in it. There.

[verbal burrow]

based loose cannon

[plush current]

But "you're just wrong dude" doesn't construct and is not fact

[rancid needle]

Might just try the Infiltrate with high toughness. Only penance im missing

[quaint kettle]

Honestly I think for the emperor isnt as good as some people make it out to be, but since in stealth you would be venturing a little away from the team wouldnt born leader be better since it would allow teammates to benefit from confirmed kill

[full nacelle]

No I didn't. I explained that your "y'all must be bad if you need gold toughness" argument was flawed and you responded with "you must hate your teammates".

but whatever, like what you like man

[manic moon]

Well the fact is that this has been said over and over already in vermintide : making a spammable proactive ability into a hogging one for revives is bad and simply a noobtrap

And not only vet shout is similar its even worse since the talent hamstrings it with cd and aoe range

Its straight up bad

End of story

You can play it, you can enjoy it, you can do maelstroms with it

But its insanely inferior

Same as warrior priest or kruber shout revuve

[elder fiber]

No its actually Very Good to scream while somebody is downed under fire and instantly kill them

[manic moon]

And btw krubers revive was already the worst perk by far and it doeant increase cd or halves range

[plush current]

I said made of glass. Implying no insult to skill. Glass cannon is a perfectly apt description. The teammate comment I could have done without.

[manic moon]

IF YOU CAN STAND YOU CAN FIG oh fire nvm

[full nacelle]

It's definitely worse in an Infiltrate build since it kicks in the moment you use it, but I usually only run Born Leader in setups where I can make really good use of it (multiple toughness refill nods/toughness refill blessings). Confirmed kill on its own is something but I'm pretty sure Born Leader only affects teammates in coherency.

[candid agate]

i hate psykers with a passion

[tame lodge]

It's aight
They hate you the same

[verbal burrow]

That's mandated by the state religion, but why, if I may ask?

[candid agate]

maybe ive got bad luck but every psyker i play with is terrible, runs away, rude, and steal healing

[pale pecan]

I feel like overall, shout deserves a minor cd increase, and as a tradeoff, the shout revive perk no longer increases cd.

[hearty panther]

I don't view it the same way as in VT2, since VT2 talents meant you could only take either CDR/Revive/Power shout, so it was all in strict competition. Here you can take gold toughness and take revive shout, and Veteran has disgusting amounts of cooldown reduction to the point where doing both and suffering the cooldown increase really isn't all that bad

[pale pecan]

Because that way it's not like you want to save the shout

You should be using it and trying to get it back by killing specials

[hearty panther]

If you want to make it a binary, then sure. But it's not the reality of skill trees presently.

[pale pecan]

And then using it to revive where possible

[manic moon]

But its binary

You either use it for gold touggh or hog it for revive

You cant do both

[quaint kettle]

it does, but my logic is that the toughness regen in the middle tree will be active more often than using invisibilty in coherancy

[hearty panther]

No. You can still shout whenever its off cooldown. Saving it for revives is the mistake.

[pale pecan]

^

As long as you don't fall into that trap it's ok

But it doesn't help that the game currently nudges you towards that trap

[hearty panther]

I still don't recommend it, but it's not on the level of Kruber rev shout in terms of opportunity cost.

[pale pecan]

With increasing the CD that is

[verbal burrow]

There are good ones.

[hearty panther]

What's funny is that if you pack CDR on your curios then the added 15s is not that big of a deal, and most shout Veterans already do.

[verbal burrow]

But not taking revive shout allows for permanent gold toughness uptime if you have 2 vets

[full nacelle]

It really depends on the kind of build you're running Infiltrate with tbh. Some builds will pop it to sneak into the backline while some will abuse the quick fight reset/the toughness damage reduction.

But yeah Born Leader ain't a bad alternative on Infiltrate builds

[hearty panther]

Really in the end it's just that there's better options to spend your talent point on in Vet tree as a whole.

[verbal burrow]

I usually do as narrow as possible until I get below Toughness Shout

[hearty panther]

One Vet alone already achieves 100% uptime pretty trivially.

Either three special kills or two with CDR

[full nacelle]

Yeah I think a bigger part of this conversation that is overlooked is the skill point investment as well

[verbal burrow]

Two vets even more trivially without doing anything

[umbral scaffold]

dont forget ability cool down on curios

with that its almost guaranteed 100% uptime

[full nacelle]

Talking about what's stronger in this game is such a toss-up because everything is so situational. Better to talk about what you like and what stuff synergizes with each other.

[manic moon]

Anyways people are mistaken anyways

You are not using it for the gold shield

You spam it for the cuthroat lines

[full nacelle]

true and real

[manic moon]

CLOSE KILL AND DO IT AGAIN

[full nacelle]

THERE IS ONLY WAHHHH

[manic moon]

FIGHT OR YULL ANSWER TO ME

wait thats military

All cool

[hearty panther]

that's professional ye

[full nacelle]

I'm a professional vet but when I play shout I wish I was cutthroat

[manic moon]

WE ARE DA BLADY UBERSHREIK FIVE OR FO

[hearty panther]

"To be fair, their job is to raise morale, as well as ehhhhhh executing cowards."

[tame lodge]

Hey Pro has cool lines as well

[full nacelle]

"CAMPUS WUMPUS" - Professional Stealth Vet

[tame lodge]

WEAPONS UP, DRIVE THEM BACK

[full nacelle]

I think it was around the 400 hour mark when I realized what stealth vet was saying

it was a real epiphany

[manic moon]

In tainted by kerillians terrible scottish accent

[candid agate]

not that ive seen

[manic moon]

I either hear HMs maniac laugh or shade's Ü WÜLK ÜN ÜNDLÜSS SÜLÜNCÜ

She sounds like a turkish guy breaking english in half

[tame lodge]

Pro also likes shouting Frag a lot

[full nacelle]

He likes his numbers

[tame lodge]

Because the best way to raise morale is shouting the equivalent to fuck

[candid agate]

loose cannon cant go a day without saying kark

[full nacelle]

I feel bad playing Target Down vet and screaming algebra at my team

[tame lodge]

Kill those karkers

[candid agate]

KILL THESE KARKERS

[verbal burrow]

Sounds like your problem tbh lol, I know my psyker is far squishier than my Vet but just don't get hit and then it is ez

[tame lodge]

Praxis 9 Alpha
Traxis 7
Whatever whatever number
VS
Those Karkers

[verbal burrow]

TRAXIS 77 DOWN

WHAT THE SIGMA-MINORIS-33?

[candid agate]

the psykers i play with are attracted to crusher strike downs

[full nacelle]

Scrier's Gaze melee Psyker is my favorite

[candid agate]

DEFENCE PATTERN 12
vs
ITS A KARKIN PLAGUE OGYRN, SHOOT IT IN THE 'EAD

[verbal burrow]

This may be because psykers are capable of blocking all attacks indefinitely, and they occasionally forget that this does not include Crushers and Maulers due to sleep deprivation

[pale pecan]

Many further forget the ability of the push attack "force push" to blow themselves up, as well how said push attack could knock around said Crushers and Maulers in the 1st place.

[verbal burrow]

I wouldn't know I'm currently channeling

[pale pecan]

Je ne sais pas

[verbal burrow]

No time to skill issue as Psyker when there is a flamethrower to level

BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR, SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE~

[pale pecan]

I would recommend https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4ae93e-9fc8-4d23-8a04-0a513f368b74/zealot-helbringer

[verbal burrow]

oh I'm okay buildwise

[verbal burrow]

You also hate Kerillian?

[manic moon]

Bigger problem with sykers are more of a if they are bad they are useless if they are even mediocre they straight up break the game

So its not fun either way

I had my psyker as highest as well and playing it less and less since his abilities are so strong its boring

[full nacelle]

Who doesn't hate Kerillian? Always bullying all my beautiful Vermintide boys

[verbal burrow]

yes

[full nacelle]

[pale pecan]

Psyker's are glass cannons for the most part, once you figure out how to really aleviate that weakness through practice, they do get really easy.

[umbral scaffold]

Just make a carry build

[verbal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-warhammer2-warhammer2vermintide-warhammer-vermintide-vermintide2-gif-27223158

[pale pecan]

What I tend to do lol

[manic moon]

Theres nothing to carry when sykers have 3 different staffs perma stunning everything + smite

[umbral scaffold]

carry as in buff/help/ survivability

[sleek garden]

you have to make a left side build with veteran with a lasgun to stack super high headshot damage to kill enemies first before they get get to it with 3 zaps

[pale pecan]

Good sir what level do you play at

[umbral scaffold]

^

[pale pecan]

Cuz idk about you but when I'm doing Auric Maelstrom I sure do like having the occasional smyker

[manic moon]

Mostly solo nowadays at least thats still challenging

[pale pecan]

Makes it a whole lot less stressful

[umbral scaffold]

i adore psykers in aurics

[pale pecan]

True solo or bot solo

[manic moon]

Trz

True

Who tf palys with bots unless achi farming

[full nacelle]

Trauma staff kills the fun for me... And people who SPAM Smite

besides that I like my psykers

[sleek garden]

ive been trying to play psyker some but i cant get something i like yet

[full nacelle]

they let me hog the ammo

[sleek garden]

i feel like the zap staff isnt killing stuff fast enough

4 zaps for a crusher

[umbral scaffold]

ppl who hate smithes got it wrong i feel like its really helpful and i love psykers who get that

[manic moon]

What mister? You meant voidblast

[pale pecan]

I guess I really shouldn't be saying anything.

[sleek garden]

i like the obscurus sword though it looks and feels cool

[pale pecan]

Empowered Smite is strong, but still not as strong as going for a Warp Siphon Leech build with Dome Shield and Ult Cd

Especially not now with the new blessings and talents too

[full nacelle]

Oh is it Voidblast now? I can never keep track of em

[tame lodge]

It's extra strong now

[umbral scaffold]

cause liek what you should be doingwhen a smyker unleashs is to go melee and hit the incapacitated enemies not staring angrily because its NOT DPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[full nacelle]

dome spam build bad

[tame lodge]

Potential to kill packs of bulwarks and Crushers

[umbral scaffold]

thsi tho i agree

[tame lodge]

Just because

[umbral scaffold]

i like bubbles in pox gas condition tho its usefull

[pale pecan]

Naur

Get yourself a couple chant zealots my boy

[full nacelle]

I concede wp

[pale pecan]

That 5% cd and having that sweet golden toughness in the dome is peak

Plus remember you get 50% dmg reduction for 10 seconds when the dome breaks

That's a lot

[full nacelle]

2 chant zealots AND dome

that sounds absolutely boring

[manic moon]

And a shout vet

[full nacelle]

NOOOOO

[manic moon]

Gas mission here we come

[full nacelle]

not my darktide

[manic moon]

I SAID

[pale pecan]

I'm down

[manic moon]

GAS MISSUIN

[pale pecan]

I'm playing shout vet tho

[manic moon]

Here we go

[tame lodge]

Realistic or not that's peak smite rn

[pale pecan]

Yes I've seen this, I still prefer using Venting Shriek because if you kill enough elites you can chain a smite indefinitely.

Which is nice on the missions where there are enough elites to hold a smite indefinitely.

[full nacelle]

Is that Saltzpyre shouting in the background when you're high peril?

or is that just my wishful imagination

[tame lodge]

Dunno
Can never make out what they are saying

[full nacelle]

sounds like

"ALL LIFE SHALL DECAY"

to me

[pale pecan]

I'd say something close to that

Remember we are fighting Warp bullshittery, and the Psykers are using the Warp to fight the Warp bullshittery

[candid agate]

does anyone know what time period darktide is in?

[grand perch]

napoleonic era if im not mistaken

[slow spade]

41st Millennium

Cadia fell and the funny warpstorm is in-universe

so around there

[raw needle]

we're quite literally live, there are talks about lion coming back

[candid agate]

oh we are? then is the cutthroat just really mad his ancestors home world died or is he really old

[viral bison]

Its been 2 years and the ghost bullets on the Vigilant autogun still exists. I returned hoping it was not

[raw needle]

cadia fell in 999.M41, and we are not really that far from that to be honest, really hard to tell cause no one is keeping track save for guilliman

[candid agate]

i never keep track of time in wh40k lol, everything just happens at random points to me

[raw needle]

he might be around a hundred years old and it is not really that much in 40k

[candid agate]

so he has life enhancing stuff?

how would he afford that if he was in the guard

[raw needle]

nah its just that humans in the 40th millenium live a lot longer that now

[candid agate]

oh do they?

[raw needle]

yeah

500 is the upper limit before doing tech shit

its just that you'd die a lot faster due to being cannon fodder

[candid agate]

so do we have a reason humans live longer or is it just warhammer stuff?

[nocturne stratus]

Best blessings for the boltgun?

[raw needle]

well its generally more just looking at life expectancy and extrapolating it to 40k + maybe some more medical advancements and whatnot

maybe if not for the dark age of technology and all the chaos shit humans could've had a lot longer lifespans

[umbral scaffold]

i mean humanity up to the dark age of technology grew up to become some sort of utopic place to be in.

[somber river]

Does anyone have any just like
Not necessarily good but just weird and fun builds they like to run?

[earnest bone]

veteran spam grenade bolt pistol

[somber river]

Oh that sounds interesting, what are the key perks? Also what would you recommend for the melee?

[earnest bone]

melee is DS4 as you need to kill armor

(Dueling Sword 4)

[somber river]

I mean I assume get free grenades + upgraded grenades and grenades on elite kills

[somber river]

Thanks, I'll give it a go :D

[earnest bone]

this one can be ignored

[earnest bone]

forgot to say bolt pistol need Lethal Proximity blessing

it buff grenades

[somber river]

Ahhh

Aite I'll look into acquiring one

[pseudo fiber]

What's the general opinion on the vigilant autoguns?

[pale pecan]

I couldn't give you a general opinion, but personally I like them.

[tall torrent]

actually not bad

[hearty panther]

theyre fine, really

[pseudo fiber]

Cool good to know I've been doing some games with them and having a good time

even if the quality of teammates today has been poor

[tall torrent]

I had some really bad server connection last night

[pale pecan]

My personal favorite has been an armor hunter build with the 3 burst blue one with Headhunder and Deadly Accurate, and then Onslaught and Rending Strikes for the rending and brittleness.

Actually does solid damage against armored elites

[pseudo fiber]

I did 5 missions today and lost 3
lots of walking into daemonhosts and just smykers that cna't do anything and just
ugh

[pale pecan]

And since the crits and brittleness apply so fast cuz of the burst it's nice.

[pseudo fiber]

one of those days

[radiant chasm]

I prefer shovel

More chad aura

Less unethical

[pseudo fiber]

I've been using the mkIX but I'll give that a shot actually

[pale pecan]

I like the single shot one for my old stealth sniper build, but that's kinda deprecated in this meta.

[stone adder]

opinion on this build?

[spark helm]

Looks fine enough imo

[grand perch]

definitely dont take exploit weakness

take the +25 toughness next to it instead

also no +50 toughness on shout thats gotta change

switch longshot for +50 shout toughness is my recommendation

[stone adder]

actually about longshot, what is the range for that even?

[grand perch]

12,5m is where "long range" bonus dmg starts ramping up, if memory serves

thats makes it really underwhelming

[pale pecan]

Don't take Longshot or Exploit Weakness

[stone adder]

oh, thats...disappointing, thought it was like 8m where it starts damn

[pale pecan]

If you're going for a grenade build make sure you grab the extra coherenacy aura radius so you allies give you more grenades

[hearty panther]

oh boy

[pale pecan]

And that's where it STARTS, as in like 0.001% dmg buff

[grand perch]

you cant give teammates grenades anymore, except with field improv

[hearty panther]

im about to make a mistake arent i

[pale pecan]

No

I mean the allies feed YOU nades

from their kills

[grand perch]

oh that, yeah

[hearty panther]

oh boy

[pale pecan]

Since they have that perk they want the extra aura radius to take better advantage of it

[pale pecan]

Quoi

[hearty panther]

see you guys in narnia

[stone adder]

is that a mini baseball bat with moss on it

[grand perch]

never take charismatic over confirmed kill though

[hearty panther]

no but i like your creativity

[stone adder]

also yea, where could i get a skill point for bigger aura range?

i rather keep confirmed kill cuz like
its confirmed kill you get it

[grand perch]

dont bother with charismatic basically ever imo

[pale pecan]

HUH?

[grand perch]

maybe theres a niche pick, but never for demo team

[earnest bone]

anything that can kill armor, shovel, rashad, knife works

[pale pecan]

Okay 1 sec

[earnest bone]

[stone adder]

i guess i can just stick with my team,

[pale pecan]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d575982-9f33-4b90-9c58-b65621d6cf6c/veteran-fragger

This is my grenade buffing build

And what I would recommend to you.

If you wanted to buff tf out of your frag nades

[grand perch]

you could move that charismatic skill pont to bring it down instead, wayyyyyyyyyyy better talent

[stone adder]

no survivalist

[hearty panther]

Charismatic is actually pretty good. It just doesn't hold up when you stack up all your other options, and it's placed in a way that you'd never take it over CK

[stone adder]

i need my survivalist or else my gunpsyker bf will murder me

[hearty panther]

Hot take but I think Close Order and Charismatic should be swapped

[earnest bone]

that would break ma heart

[hearty panther]

exactly

[earnest bone]

wtf forcing me to CHOOSE

[grand perch]

all meta builds: broken

[hearty panther]

all must suffer as i have sufferred for the loss of vanguard

[tall torrent]

nah

[hearty panther]

pfffft what would u know about veteran

not like u wrote the guide or anything

[earnest bone]

the guy that wrote the guide is not here anymore

[tall torrent]

I think
One Motion can have its value buffed up a bit

[earnest bone]

he quit after being bullied by all CoD players

[hearty panther]

Psyker having the 50% swap node instead of Veteran is just ???

What the fuck does Psyker need 50% swap for

Or any amount of swap

[earnest bone]

Bolter soonTM

[hearty panther]

oh man this joint

[inner temple]

Lol imagine CoD players doing something other than playing cod

[hearty panther]

im dead, goodbye world

[orchid hemlock]

Shooting voidstrike bolt, than special attacking Illisussi, then Assail combo all in 2 seconds

[earnest bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9cHgX49QLw

you call this playing?

[stone adder]

they need to honestly change the other 2 vet auras

i think they suck

[hearty panther]

Don't you fucking dare touch Close and Kill

I will run you over at a slight 5% speed bonus and hit you

[inner temple]

Haha more waiting than playing but yeah

https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

[orchid hemlock]

Gamers be like "we gotta go back to the days when video games were fun"

The video games that were "fun" :

[inner temple]

Me who uses it: uh

[hearty panther]

i miss old school CoD, before 4 specifically

[hollow ibex]

iw wouldn't mind it getting buffed

[hearty panther]

The first Call of Duty was pretty goddamn amazing for the time

[earnest bone]

i miss classic Medal of Honor: Allied Assault

[orchid hemlock]

Ironically gamers probably hates those the most 💀

[stone adder]

i think if it was a like
sprint cost reduction for the speed one it would be a okay aura

[hearty panther]

And the smoke effects from Call of Duty 2 still hold up twenty years later??? Magical

[hollow ibex]

both. that would be sweet

[hearty panther]

Y'all sleep on move speed wayyy too much

[orchid hemlock]

"where are my kill streaks"

"why can't I kill Muslims terrorists?" 😡

[hearty panther]

I get not preferring it, but it's still quite potent.

[stone adder]

for fireteam like
idk
fucking better swap speed or reloading or smt to do with guns spacifcly

[pale pecan]

Insane

Vanguard was fun but nothing amazing

[inner temple]

Honestly even advanced warfare is better than the stuff they put out because it wasn't 600GB

[orchid hemlock]

Fun fact the highest funders for the COD series on gun manufacturers and the US military 🤔

[inner temple]

Thats.. surprising

[earnest bone]

wasnt it ARMA series?

ARMA 2 specifically

[hearty panther]

It was pretty amazing to me.

[orchid hemlock]

Is it?

[hearty panther]

Especially since One Motion is such a stinker to me.

[pale pecan]

I had fun with a Commando Autogun once

[inner temple]

Honestly yeah.

[pale pecan]

I don't mind One Motion actually now that I've fallen in love with a Helbore

[orchid hemlock]

"no politics in my video games"

meanwhile:

[hearty panther]

I already solved the draw issue with Helbore

The answer is you never draw it because you never unequip it

[orchid hemlock]

Hey guys why did MW remake take place in Syria, during the real world Syrian war? 🤔

OK I'll stop, but u get the idea 😔

[earnest bone]

Yeah, that one was stupid

[radiant chasm]

Shovel has uncanny to buff nades but it also isn’t as ridic like duelist or combatblade

[radiant chasm]

Mostly cause assail is a juggling skill

[orchid hemlock]

Or when u literally work for Reagan in one of the Black Ops games ☠️

[radiant chasm]

But vet should have some of it to

[orchid hemlock]

Why isn't shovel on Psyker and Zealot 😔

[inner temple]

Lol

[inner temple]

Because Zealot surely wouldn't be digging trenches same with Psyker

[candid agate]

how good is exploit weakness

[hearty panther]

not

[candid agate]

so not worth it?

[orchid hemlock]

Shovel on 30% attack speed Zealot sounds diabolical 😭

[inner temple]

With my build on veteran I get a good attk speed

I give later

[orchid hemlock]

BTW speaking of Shovel

@path.exe

What important breakpoints can u meet on the folding shovel with thrust? 🤔

Fuck I didn't ping him wtf

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

crusher & mauler 1 shot with s.H1

[orchid hemlock]

Wait u sure?

No uncanny stacks right?

[tall torrent]

no

[orchid hemlock]

What perks do u need to achieve the breakpoint?

[tall torrent]

carapace

I don't think that breakpoint matters much tho

cuz s.H1 animation is super long

and u can't dodge cancel it

[nocturne stratus]

Best blessings for the boltgun?

[tall torrent]

pinning fire + puncture/surgical

[nocturne stratus]

thanks, good two perks for it too?

rn im running carapace and unyeilding

[tall torrent]

flak + maniac

also run exe stance

[nocturne stratus]

exe stance?

[tall torrent]

executioner's stance

it's basically the go-to ability for boltgun on veteran

[nocturne stratus]

oh the ability

[obsidian mesa]

What plasma gun blessings should i use

And perks

[slow spade]

if only vets had a guide to follow for new players to reference

someone should make one UwU

[inner temple]

I love plasma gun on my melee/support veteran build. Can snipe specials if necessary.

[faint beacon]

The Pinned Document in question:

[nocturne stratus]

yeah wish Vets had an indepth guide like the bone 'eads

[orchid hemlock]

smh my head

[nocturne stratus]

[tall torrent]

we kinda do

[faint beacon]

Sarcasm I believe

If not check pins

[inner temple]

Wait pause. Plasmagun is good against anti walls but iffy against armor? (Maybe I'm using it wrong.)

[faint beacon]

Plasmas gimmick is to pierce through cover

[austere mica]

It can pen bulwarks

[faint beacon]

Armor is decent just not the best

[primal zealot]

It stops the permanently

[inner temple]

That's something ig but how is it not good against armor then?

[orchid hemlock]

wait u take decimator over uncanny on the MKVII shovel? 🤔

[austere mica]

Have you like, actually shot a crusher with it?

It can 1-2 shot if I remember

[faint beacon]

Uncanny on shovels is an always

You basically are shooting your self in the legs if you don’t

[analog yacht]

It depends which shovel

Uncanny is op though so you can always just take it

[inner temple]

Even I don't have my builds complete because I don't have anything maxed yet. Other than evicerator. So I dunno what I have as I'm not paying much attention yet.

But yes I've shot a crusher with it (no ranged ability) just ended up slapping it with my power sword.

After 3 shots I gave up against it lol

[analog yacht]

120% rending that also applies to ranged is kinda crazy

[inner temple]

It went down it 2 hits from power sword tho

[austere mica]

You get capped at 100%

[analog yacht]

Yeah which is even more absurd that the perk goes to 120% for some reason

So it nearly caps at 4

Instead of actual max stacks

It's gonna be funny if fs nerfs the shit out of uncanny weapons and leaves the talent mostly untouched

[wide monolith]

this may be a dumb question but what level does the mk3 catachan blade unlock at? I've been trying to get one for days but I never see it in the shop

[candid agate]

you can swap between marks so your likely seeing a lot of mk6s which you could turn into mk3s

new feature of recent update

[wide monolith]

ohhh I'm glad I asked lol

I would've just blamed rng for weeks

[shadow dagger]

are some +3 stamina curios still visually bugged or did they fix that

[stone adder]

How good would putting shattering impact on a bolter be? Since I hipfire it a lot would it help?

[shadow dagger]

are you using it on things itll get value on often

and enough to justify not taking other blessings

[stone adder]

Crushers, Maulers, bosses?

[shadow dagger]

off the top of my head, maulers die in 3 bodyshots or something silly

which means shattering impact unfortunately wont really matter that much

[verbal burrow]

If teammates are a problem make a premade team with manpower from this server or embrace masochism

[slow spade]

with enough buffs, even the shittiest ally can made to serve UwU

swap to a support build today

[pale pecan]

Well

My 1st real day interacting in this discord

I had all my builds shamed and strats ripped apart and put back together again

But tbh I probably needed it

Anyways now I can 2 headshot a Crusher with the combat knife and nuke just about everything else.

So GG

I've become optimized

[analog yacht]

lol

the real strat to me is just carrying the bad players

[pale pecan]

I know lol

[analog yacht]

it takes more work to 'support' them into effectiveness than it does to just carry them

esp bc the support talents in the game are broadly ass

except for like 3

[pale pecan]

At the end of the day, the try hard builds are better for soloplay or independent play

[analog yacht]

which are cracked

[pale pecan]

versus the team focus builds

It's just those players don't like team focus builds because they aren't up to speed with how they want to play.

Since support builds usually slow the game down rather than speed it up.

[analog yacht]

this honestly applies in a lot of games. lead guy for league recently said that Support is the hardest role to carry as

[pale pecan]

But hey if you win you win.

[analog yacht]

even the best support in the world is limited by who they're supporting

[pale pecan]

A good team player can really tip the scales in any situation, no matter what anyone says about support builds.

Besides, the best support builds have their own innate self sustain anyways.

Which reminds me I have a DPS build I want to try to make thanks to a certain Zealot

[analog yacht]

Born Leader is a support alt for For the Emperor that's totally solid. focus target w/ target down and/or redirect fire are both solid

with the prereq that you're actually using FT to hit breakpoints and not taking it for support meme

but sometimes you get people doing shit like this

[hollow ibex]

looks like the average gameslantern build

[primal zealot]

We need to be able to inspect in the mission lobby so I can start the vote kick upon seeing that garbage

[pale pecan]

Ah yes, a classic.

[slow spade]

the funniest thing about those builds is they usually miss a really good team node

like this one is missing fucking VoC

I saw another one that had ping node but not the damage nor the stamina regen upgrade...

[pale pecan]

It's a team oriented build, but not so much because they don't want to get targeted.

[slow spade]

yeah but its missing like THE team oriented ability which is funny

[pale pecan]

Tbf they've atleast taken some decent perks to try to make up for it, but it's still like bleh

The only gun I've ever enjoyed Covering Fire on was the Plasma Gun

[analog yacht]

stealth for rez :^)

[pale pecan]

I used to run Revive Shout with the Rez node so that they got the dmg reduction when they got revived.

But honestly better to just shout and keep them from going down in the 1st plae.

[sleek garden]

how do i tell if covering fire works or not

i just spray everyone near my teammate with a shotgun and kill them all and then the ogryn looks around wondering where all the zombies went

[pale pecan]

It would be nice if it gave you an indicator of if you were buffing your teammate.

[analog yacht]

it's just a bad talent

[pale pecan]

Does anyone know, does the Helbore melee attack proc covering fire? I would assume not.

Since Helbore does seem to be coded properly lol

But you never know

[orchid hemlock]

I love how the graph for the PS just shows how OP it is 💀

[sleek garden]

notice the lack of safety

the power sword is possibly the worst weapon to have if you get overwhelmed

[orchid hemlock]

u think I care about "saftey"? 🤮

[sleek garden]

it doesnt even have a sweeping push attack

[orchid hemlock]

look at knife

wait its all saftey?

always has been

🔫

[sleek garden]

yeah you can simply run away

[pale pecan]

Safety and Stagger are literally irrelevent with practice

PS is honestly the GOAT

[pale pecan]

Horde is all the way at the top if you use hotshot

So is brawl

[umbral scaffold]

depends what overwhlms you

[sleek garden]

two days ago i was in chasm logistratum in the unusual ammo depot mission

that really long tunnel stretch right before the final event

[orchid hemlock]

lmao look at DS

[sleek garden]

there was a horde ambush where i had just run out of nades right before and immediately surrounded me on both sides

thats the kind of thing that power sword sucks at

[orchid hemlock]

now behold the Rashad

[sleek garden]

unless of course you are playing generic shout vet and then you cant die

[tall torrent]

no

[sleek garden]

i think the rashad shouldnt be able to do any horde stuff

[pale pecan]

Alas, it were too good to be true.

[orchid hemlock]

🔫 what did u say?

[sleek garden]

i think the weapon designed to do heavy damage to one person at a time should not be able to randomly be the best at horde clear

[tall torrent]

I think my radar charts are pretty accurate to how they perform

[orchid hemlock]

anyways, I have been struggling to figure out if I should go SM or Shovel, because I'm getting tired of PS 😔

for my recon builds where I have no melee talents

[umbral scaffold]

One of the most op weapon

one chain attack to kill crusher

[umbral scaffold]

If you take the sunder blessing it can kill 4 crusher in row, multiplied rendering and damage to four of them with heavy attack

[sleek garden]

i don't think rashad has sunder

[umbral scaffold]

oh, I meant ps :/

[pale pecan]

Not quite sure what you're meaning there.

You mean a Mk3 Power Sword with Sunder and Power Cycler? And then like 10% Elites 25% carapace?

[analog yacht]

ps just dies when shit hits the fan bc no mobility

[pale pecan]

Cuz that's the only thing I can imagine being able to do that in a single swing chain

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah pretty much

[pale pecan]

Weapon Specialist my beloved

[umbral scaffold]

it is the worst when dealing manicas tho

[pale pecan]

No it's not?

Power Sword is great against Maniacs

[umbral scaffold]

but if you can cornered by, lets say any armored weapon it rips and tears

[analog yacht]

if you're playing w/ a good team ps is good

but the lack of mobility means no carry

[umbral scaffold]

ah yeah, def not a clutch weapon

[pale pecan]

This is my sword.

This is the sword that nukes everything.

[sleek garden]

Yeah in mixed horde situations I often think man I wish I had my devils claw

[pale pecan]

I think you just need more practice, or to try a different Strat with the PS.

I solo'd the Karnak Twins on hard with the Power Sword and a Laspistol\

[obsidian mesa]

Is the helbore lasgun any good

[sleek garden]

because I can move around and still deal with hordes okay, definitely not as fast but you can parry major threats and not have to waste precious moments activating a sword

[pale pecan]

I'm enjoying it, but honestly, more as a Melee weapon than a gun actually.

[analog yacht]

the problem i always run into w/ helbore is that revolver can already 1 shot everything

[umbral scaffold]

Eh, I'm decent I think, I do most crusher and armored kills in my games and most of them coming from ps, but super tight positions it's activation can be problematic

[pale pecan]

Devil's is good, but I enjoy the fast chain into blocking with the Mk6 power sword.

[analog yacht]

but idk I also hate charged weapons

so I'm biased

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, but like I said, PS is the one of the best weapon, if you are a boss killer/anti-armor focused

ps deletes bossess like no tomorrow

[pale pecan]

Oh of course.

I'm just saying that it's silly so say it's bad at hordes.

[umbral scaffold]

but not good if you are cornered with 55 crushers and 55 maniacs

[pale pecan]

Yeah you have less defensive capacity, but you can still handle just about anything with it.

Especially with Vet's plethora of defensive tools

[pale pecan]

It used to be good enough to handle even that.

[umbral scaffold]

it's less about defensive and more about activation time in maelstorms

[pale pecan]

Back before BM got nerfed

[pale pecan]

Which PS are you using?

[sleek garden]

I've been trying it use them in a marksman-focused build but idk

[umbral scaffold]

mk3

[pale pecan]

I assume the one you were talking about earlier

Ok that's why then

That one is the more offensive PS

[sleek garden]

I'm currently using scandar the fat power sword

[umbral scaffold]

mk6 not mutch different either for me, idk 😄

[pale pecan]

Meant for mobility and horde clear with the wide strikes

[sleek garden]

I like the wide heavies with sunder

[umbral scaffold]

my reason for mk3

[sleek garden]

The other sword has a strange curve halfway through where it arcs up or down

[pale pecan]

the Mk6 has an innate extra block and the powered up mode can chain into a block

And the powered up block attack combo is what nukes everything

You can 2 hit headshot a crusher

And you can infinitely spam the push attack combo

WIth some stam regen

[sleek garden]

in crusher horde maelstroms this sucks because it does no stagger and hits one guy

But other than that yes it annihilates one guy

[umbral scaffold]

that's when you bring the plasma

[pale pecan]

I know, the nerf really hit it hard.

[sleek garden]

What nerf

[pale pecan]

For those missions I run my Armor Piercing Frag nade build

[pale pecan]

BM no longer cleaving Carapace

[sleek garden]

I just use sunder and I can kill 1-2 with a powered 3 chain

[pale pecan]

You used to be able to kill 5 crushers with 1 push attack on the power sword

Because they'd all be bunched up

[sleek garden]

Okay does that not sound ridiculous though

[pale pecan]

Yeah ofc it was stupid

[umbral scaffold]

Wait, what

why

[austere mica]

Because brutal momentum is stupidly powerful even without that

[sleek garden]

I remember the patch notes for that though, they specifically mentioned ogryn being able to one shot like five crushers with a shovel strike

[placid portal]

there's patch notes?

[pale pecan]

Brutal Momentum used to make it so that if you killed a carapace enemy, it would cleave through them to hit the next carapace enemy. What ended up happening was that if you killed 1 Crusher the dmg from that kill would 1 shot the rest essentially

[sleek garden]

Imagine the velocity and strength of a shovel it takes to cut through that amount of armor and flesh and bone

[sleek garden]

yes

[pale pecan]

Since Brutal Momentum makes it so I think the 1st 6 enemies hit take full 1st target cleave damage

then it falls off

but obviously via weakspots only

[austere mica]

first 4

[sleek garden]

It's 4 now

[placid portal]

guess I'll have to snoop into FS community

[pale pecan]

Yeah again it got nerfed

[sleek garden]

Check the announcements channel here

[sleek garden]

because it's kinda busted

on some weapons it still helps but it's not game breaking

[primal zealot]

Cus of the big shovel being able to 1 shot like 5-6 crushers

[pale pecan]

I do like Sunder now, but only on the Mark 3 specifically for chaining Heavy Attacks again any enemy, not just armor.

[sleek garden]

like it's a nice bonus on the power maul for ogryn

Not an absolute must have

[pale pecan]

I still use the Mk6 because it still shreds bosses and armor and can skill easily kill 6 poxwalkers per swing

which effectively means it didn't get nerfed in the horde clear aspect

[sleek garden]

the power sword would be literally nothing without power cycler

[pale pecan]

This is true.

I wish the power sword had a more intuitive and balanced design, but in universe it's kinda OP

[sleek garden]

I think that's a problem but someone else brought up if it was better without being powered it might end up being a better devils claw

It just sucks when it's not powered up

[pale pecan]

Exactly the point

[sleek garden]

Slaughterer barely helps

[pale pecan]

It's just hard because you don't feel like you can use all the blessings available to the Power Sword

you're locked into 1 choice

[sleek garden]

I'd love to use sunder and supercharge

[pale pecan]

I've wanted to try a Slaughter Thrust Power Sword, but then I remember I only get 1 hit as a base.

I really do think they should do that one person's idea.

Where using the power sword builds up charge, and when you hit 100% it powers down for a sec

[slow spade]

peril exploding psword when?

[pale pecan]

So that way you can just activate it, and leave it on til it hits 100%

And say it's on and you turn it off, reset back to 0

[slow spade]

na it should be perma-active UwU

[raven harbor]

p lit idea

[pale pecan]

I don't think that'd be intuitive unless it got a nerf

[sleek garden]

Yeah that would actually be unbelievably strong

[pale pecan]

make it a powerful melee weapon

like Thammer

3 dodges

[sleek garden]

Unless you made it like the plasma gun where you get it super high heat then stow it to fight in a big emergency before pulling it back out at 70% to fire off another shot

[pale pecan]

But no, make it so you get like 3 strikes as a base, each strike builds up 33.3~% peril, at 100% it vents.

If you strike once, make it take like 2 seconds before it starts autoventing

without having to turn the sword off

make powercycler bring it from 33% to 20% per swing

They could probably change cleave targets to a power stat anyways

since power sword gets max cleave when powered up basically anyways

But that'd be my idea.

[sleek garden]

The thing I really want them to do in this game actually doesn't have to do with veteran at all

I want the grenade gauntlet punch mega buffed

[pale pecan]

But I feel like this provides an opportunity to also rework the Illisi

[sleek garden]

I want that thing to send crushers flying through the air

[pale pecan]

Where maybe in exchange for costing more peril, the Illisi is able to have more powered strikes

Or maybe make it exactly like the PS, that would be interesting for Scrier's Gaze builds.

[sleek garden]

especially after the latest patch for psyker tree changes, no way

the Illisi would be a god weapon

[pale pecan]

Imagine a Scrier's Gaze Build with a fully Active Illisi and not blowing up for 10 seconds after lol

[sleek garden]

Yeah

[pale pecan]

That would be fun

But no

I still want the weapons that have been in the game files since the Beta

[sleek garden]

it would be ridiculously busted and you would see half the people here stop playing zealot and veteran and only play psyker

[pale pecan]

I want my Power and Force Greatsword

I want my 2 handed Chainaxe

[pale pecan]

Again, there would have to defo be adjustments to accomate the changes, but I think it would be overall easier to balance those weapons than how they are rn.

I mean Illisi is good rn, it's just Power Sword that feels bottlenecked

[sleek garden]

Is there an argument that the Illisi is not good?

Oh

Nobody really talked about Illisi because it just works

[pale pecan]

But I feel like their similarities kinda put them in similar boats.

[sleek garden]

Everyone talks about deimos because double poke topples baddies

Poor obscurus

[pale pecan]

Illisi is like if Catachan had the ability to spam a powered attack

[sleek garden]

No because catachans always have a strike down and illisi has none

[pale pecan]

I meant in terms of their wide sweeps and crowd control aspect.

[sleek garden]

Obscurus is truly the black sheep

[pale pecan]

Obscurus definitely needs some love.

I'd say with an updated attack pattern.

[sleek garden]

but shearing a maulers helmet in two with that crushing overhead feels so good

the damage on the obscurus isnt bad either

i dont know why people dont like it

it does what it's supposed to, which is be a little of both

currently im standing in the psykhanium seeing how long it takes to punch a mauler to death with the ogryns shovel punch

it turns out the ogryns punches take the skin off a ragers face

i completely wiped this ragers face off

[sleek garden]

the ogryns fists must be so insanely callussed to just rip skin off with an uppercut

[pale pecan]

There is chest armor which a knuckle claw you know

[sleek garden]

yeah

too bad it is only cosmetioc

[pale pecan]

Anyways this knife 4-2 shots almost everything.

It takes 4 weakspot heavies to kill a crusher/mauler without a crit

it takes 3 with just 1 crit

If you have a dmg boosting ult it takes just 2 hits with the punch combo

Or 9 to 7 light attack weakspot hits to kill a Crusher

[austere mica]

WHY are you dumping first target

[pale pecan]

ik ik,

I'll fix it later

I dumped it cuz I originally intended this to be a defensive/mobility knife

That and I'm using a thing that lets the knife have insane cleave so I didn't think I'd get that much out of 1st target

No one has really told me how much benefit I'd get from that extra 19% first target stat, but everyone seems to agree it's better.

Okay so that's a 22% dmg bonus versus the 1st enemy hit.

Going off the old VT2 notion that 7% power = roughly a 10% dmg boost

[tall torrent]

First target is the single most important stat for damage

[tall torrent]

Hotshot giving u extra cleave doesn’t address the problem that cleave damage distribution will fall to minimum after a few targets

[tall torrent]

This is not true

[pale pecan]

What's accurate for Darktide then?

[tall torrent]

Are u referring to strength calculation

Strength affecting damage

[pale pecan]

Yes.

Unless it's in the guide I can look there

[tall torrent]

it's in my guide

But the main thing is that strength is multiplicative increase

If you have let’s say +40% damage, you’ll have 140% damage total

But if u have +20% damage and +20% strength, you’ll have 1.2x1.2 = 144% damage total

[pale pecan]

I know what multiplicative means yeah

Okay that suddenly makes a lot more sense though.

[tall torrent]

So strength will scale better for damage stacking due to multiplicative calculation

This is why deathspitter is better than fire frenzy

Even though the number is lower, it ends up being better in calculation

[pale pecan]

I assumed they were using the same numbers as Vermintide 2 since when the game 1st came out a lot of stuff seemed to be carried over.

[tall torrent]

Idk abt VT2 cuz I don’t play that game

[pale pecan]

It makes more sense it would be one to one though

[tall torrent]

But in DT it’s multiplicative increase to all 3 attributes

[pale pecan]

multiplicative with increasing returns instead of diminishing

Unlike toughness dmg reduction

noted

[jovial aurora]

dump stat on plasma for yelling mark the dude build

?

Voice of Command and one point focus target with fully loaded perk

can i afford to dump ammo?

[tall torrent]

plasma doesn't have dump stat

it's the only weapon in the game without a dump stat

[jovial aurora]

weird i thought blaze away would be a obvious grab for it

[tall torrent]

not necessarily

since u only get 2 shots from venting once at overheat

[jovial aurora]

not contradicting or anything it just seems bis after gets hot

oh word

[tall torrent]

blaze away only mainly matters when firing from 0 heat

69% thermal resist gives 8 continuous shots instead of 7

so it's not dump

[jovial aurora]

i was just thinking ammo could be dump with fully loaded

[tall torrent]

the precise number is somewhere like 68% + decimal so the safe recommendation I have is 69%

if u care abt perfect roll then it's the distribution I have listed

[jovial aurora]

not arguing just looking for understanding why lol

[tall torrent]

charge rate is not dump because it changes left click's pre-fire delay, which directly impacts firerate

between 60 and 71 charge rate is about 8.5% firerate difference

it's definitely noticeable

wouldn't dump ammo either since this gun actually can get all of its major breakpoints without superiority complex

[fleet thicket]

guys

[tall torrent]

and if u don't take superiority complex, u don't take +25% ammo either usually

[fleet thicket]

you cant buy stuff from brunt anymore?

[jovial aurora]

ohh ok but if i have those two i should be okay-ish to dump ammo?

[fleet thicket]

it seems like you only can get 1 mark of every weapon not the medium or heavy marks of them

[tall torrent]

wouldn't dump ammo in general tbh

[fleet thicket]

like i was trying yo buy mark iv lasgun

[tall torrent]

like, if u get smth like 75% sure u can cope with it

[fleet thicket]

but couldnt find it in brunt

[tall torrent]

but if ur going 60% ammo then I wouldn't recommend

perfect distribution is the listed guide value

80-80-80-69-71

[tall torrent]

which lasgun

infantry lasgun?

[fleet thicket]

yeah

infintry

[tall torrent]

They renamed a bunch of weapons

[fleet thicket]

i see

[pale pecan]

Interesting

[fleet thicket]

but brunt only had 1 mark though

[tall torrent]

MG IV infantry lasgun is now called Mk IIb

[pale pecan]

This is Plasma yes?

[tall torrent]

Yes, u buy “infantry lasgun” which u can switch marks in inventory menu

[tall torrent]

What

[pale pecan]

I was gonna say the only Lasgun I dump ammo on is the Helbore and that's because of Surgical and Shock Trooper.

[tall torrent]

I don’t think ammo is worth dumping in general

Helbore has stability to dump

[faint beacon]

Helbore is barely effected by Stability

its unusual

[pale pecan]

I am unusual in that I like higher stability cuz I use the Mark 5 mostly for the stab, and since I run a very mobile playstyle, having the extra stability makes a difference for me when aiming and moving.

[fleet thicket]

wait you can do that?

XD how do i do that? XD

[faint beacon]

Joined a match with 3 loner zealots

[tall torrent]

All weapon marks are merged

[faint beacon]

this is going to be painful

Knife + Loner

[pale pecan]

Right above where you apply weapon cosmetics, right side of the screen

[tall torrent]

Loadout -> weapons -> “marks” -> switch marks

[fleet thicket]

thanks

[sleek garden]

clandestium gloriana maelstrom with a lasgun and devils claw

nonstop shooting then slicing

yummy devils claw eats ragers for breakfast

[pseudo fiber]

The devious mutant

[sleek garden]

if you can believe it i managed to dodge him

the video is not very high fidelity is it

devils claw and nades wipes hordes clean and i can move freely and then i can pick off shooters and specialists from miles away

it does it all

love me build

actually it doesnt to anything at all against maulers and crushers but thats what ogryns with shields and zealots with knives and thunder hammers and psykers with any powers are for

the finesse multiplier on this sword kinda sucks though

but its ok it has max cleave stats

[analog yacht]

@tall torrent what're the breakpoints for rashad (elite vs unarmored)?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored gives 1HS scab bruiser without headtaker stacks, crit 1HS Dreg shotgunner and easier access to 2HS Dreg gunner

But may need rending for crusher/mauler 3HS (2 if 1 crit)

Elite may not need rending but takes high headtaker stacks to 2HS Dreg gunner

Can still 1HS scab bruiser at max headtaker stacks

Cannot crit 1HS Dreg gunner

[kind hull]

Hi there.
Just to make sure, according to weapon's Specialist description, I've correctly understood that all the bonus given by melee kills to ranged on swap only applies to the first shot fired ?

[severe gale]

the crit chance is the first shot fired

but the other buffs stay

[kind hull]

Thank you for the quick answer

[severe gale]

yarp of course

[analog yacht]

so basically take elite if no rending otherwise take unarmored?

[severe gale]

if ur trying to get the weapon specialist headshot penance, crit headshots during the buff duration will also count for it, not just that first shot, so a surgical revolver can let u get 2-3 in a row

[kind hull]

Nah, I'm already MoW on all classes, it was for a mate that asked me about for a laspistol WS build, so I obliged but first confirmed how the talents were working

[severe gale]

ah

[sleek garden]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xjZrWpA4NrM?si=UyLu580nm_pNH5VX

[loud flower]

fellow vets! For the catachan sword, is the go to Rampage + Savage Sweep?

[green willow]

what does the collateral stat do

[tall torrent]

On Rashad? I think unarmored is nicer usually
And rending is 1 point, u can afford it for most builds

[primal zealot]

If only there was a way to inspect the weapon in question and find out

[analog yacht]

yeah I opted unarmored + rending

[primal zealot]

As far as I know however no such function exists, and therefore the effects of the collateral stat will always remain a mystery

[jovial aurora]

alright who done it

[inner temple]

Bruh lmao

[jovial aurora]

lmfao which one of you rejects is this

[inner temple]

Im so happy mine is relatively natural instead of a joke or anything lmao

[low wagon]

Is there any way to make BRAUTO work, work so it's decent enough for Auric Maelstrom?

I was testing varios builds but nothing looks good really...

Best I've come up with so far is:

[sleek garden]

i like to take hammerblow to slow hordes down a lot or shred but i think anything works with it

[low wagon]

Any advice would be most welcome

[sleek garden]

i would try the braced autos on the right side of the tree with hit and run

and drop the power sword for something mobile as well

but thats up to you

the braced auto is not very good for precision so you need to be in people's faces for headshots

[low wagon]

I want some build to have fun with power sword... and I want something to 2-hit-kill crusher cause I can't rely on Brauto for that

[sleek garden]

things like vet invis, agile engagement and things that stack damage on repeated hits

[low wagon]

It's not set in stone but....

[sleek garden]

it could work for crusher killing, you passed by the two rending talents

things to boost crit rate and rending help

[low wagon]

intentionally for now, cause I felt its accuracy is not good enough to deal with crushers

onslaught always worked for me when I was going for headshots

here... not sure

that's why I'm asking. I'm open to trying out various things

Hit and Run looked alright ...but Brauto has great baseline suppression so I would assume just sending burst toward gunners should stop any ranged attacks anyway

[potent canyon]

I had good success using exec stance and weapons specialists for brauto.

[low wagon]

invis to close up sound like great idea though I would lose exec stance which give brauto workable accuracy; without it I feel like shoots go all over the place even @ 10 m

[tame lodge]

Stagger
Unless it's the foe rend

[jovial aurora]

hellova team

[inner temple]

Bro wtf lmao

[green willow]

I have a need for under barrel rifles

[low wagon]

I have a need for no locks.

Imagine if you could take 2 or 3 abilities. Or 2 or 3 grenades. Could be fun.

[green willow]

should've been a naked ogryn

that would be fun

[jovial aurora]

the other dude isn't with me. just smol chungus

[inner temple]

Lol

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdGgMPDwfI

@lavish token

[green willow]

I'm a tryharding layman, what's the difference between the Axe and shovel?

[tall torrent]

lol

[orchid hemlock]

what in the actual fuck is this?

[tall torrent]

Why do u even watch these guys

[primal zealot]

Terrible list

[lavish token]

solos with c tier

lmao

[orchid hemlock]

I'm a masochist 😔

[jovial aurora]

ds5 and 2

[tall torrent]

Bully club in S

Already disqualifies the entire list

Lmao

[green willow]

I talk to you guys because I don't trust mister E loll

[orchid hemlock]

yes I know

but why is it in C tier?

💀

[tawny timber]

is stealth vet valid

[primal zealot]

Borovian in s but karsolas isn’t ???

[jovial aurora]

they kinda mid to 4 tbh

[primal zealot]

Cleavers not all in fff tier

[green willow]

is duelling good when you're coming from the knife

[orchid hemlock]

yeah im comparison to 4, but not to all other weapons

[lavish token]

i can never die with the 5

[jovial aurora]

lol why is deimos in s tier

[jovial aurora]

cuz zoom

deimos is like.. a at best.

i'd honestly put illisi in s tier

[primal zealot]

Toothpick is in many ways a more accessible and user friendly knife

[orchid hemlock]

dam why doles he hate tac axes tho 😔

[jovial aurora]

knife is a wanna be toothpick

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbik-cute-meme-influencer-gif-21732737

[green willow]

does the dueling sword have a speed boost when you heavy

[jovial aurora]

yes varying between the marks

[tall torrent]

45 minutes too

[jovial aurora]

5 is fastest

[orchid hemlock]

maybe the 3 u can justify because even a 2 year old can understand the H1>H2>H1>H2>H1>H2>H1>H2>H1 combo 🤔

[tall torrent]

45 minutes of pure yap

[tall torrent]

No

You can’t

Because Karsolas is literally right there

[orchid hemlock]

Im trying to understand man 😔

[green willow]

better or worse than the knife?

[tall torrent]

Does the same exact thing

Just happens to have

[jovial aurora]

they're slower

[tall torrent]

3x as much killing power

[jovial aurora]

not by a long margen but kill alot harder

[tall torrent]

There’s no justifiable answer for most of that list

Can only say he’s new & doesn’t understand most of the game

[jovial aurora]

i mean i can agree with ds4 being s

[tall torrent]

Which is prob a fair assessment, I think he’s vet is like lv180 smth

[orchid hemlock]

nu uh 🤓 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWZFanqguOM

[jovial aurora]

or terrifying lol

[tall torrent]

So he hasn’t played a lot

[tall torrent]

Stealth true solo lol

[jovial aurora]

but fucking deimos at S tier???

[orchid hemlock]

he did true solo, literally has bragging rights dont u get it

Tanner momment

[primal zealot]

I have a confession to make

[jovial aurora]

it barely deserves a imo

like

[tall torrent]

True solo is debatably not as hard as duo

[jovial aurora]

it's usable

but

[orchid hemlock]

ok so when when when when

[primal zealot]

I have not watched youtube since google bought it and flooded it with ads

[jovial aurora]

the duelling sword is like right there

[tall torrent]

Because true solo just spawns less stuff

[orchid hemlock]

bruh putting any DS below B tier is actually insane

[tall torrent]

And he basically played the cheesiest way of avoiding fights with stealth

[jovial aurora]

i'd say both the other ds are prolly b

4 is straight s tier shit

[tall torrent]

Mk II is somewhere like A

[jovial aurora]

deimos... b or a

i like deimos more than mk2

but deffo not better than 4

[tall torrent]

I should make a tier list or smth

[jovial aurora]

do you max yours out on speed or go balance between def and mob as a dump

[green willow]

how much does shredder frag stagger say, a crusher

[tall torrent]

Can stagger around blast center

[jovial aurora]

3.3 gigastaggers

[tall torrent]

If you’re looking for veteran guide info, check pinned documents

I have a very detailed guide for veteran

[tall torrent]

Too bad most people can’t read

[jovial aurora]

they should make this and the atheneum a sticker for this server

[tall torrent]

Atheneum is ok

Same goes for ogrynomicon

I don’t agree with a lot of stuff in there

[jovial aurora]

this was literally flawless execution

[primal zealot]

Ogrynomicon has a bunch of weird outdated or contradictory stuff

I think cus steam images are broken or something idk

[tall torrent]

I mean, I am proud of the guide I made

[orchid hemlock]

mom and dad are fighting again 😭

[tall torrent]

I also think it covers more stuff than the other 2 existing class guides

[green willow]

honestly, having your guide pinned in the official server is an achievement but still

[green willow]

I'm so glad I watch Mr. Unc instead of this

[lavish token]

i highly disagree with the ogrynomicon

[lavish token]

400k total

[tall torrent]

Fair

[tall torrent]

Should I make a tier list

[orchid hemlock]

tbh I feel like "tier lists" don't really put into perspective the classes and the talent tree setups

[tall torrent]

I’m only gonna do veteran weapons

[orchid hemlock]

like for example Rashad should be S tier, but u need several nodes in the bottom right for it to be that good

versus something like a PS that is effective even when u take nothing on the bottom right

[tall torrent]

I could also give a class ranking tier list rn

Best: psyker
2nd ~ 3rd: veteran, zealot
Last: ogryn

[low wagon]

that's exactly opposite in my experience

Rashad works fantastically out of the box, with its BM headshots cleaving through everything

meanwhile its PS that really benefits from attack speed and mobility of Weapon Specialist

[orchid hemlock]

if u r trying to fight back against the Draktide YT scene, unfortunately it isn't about being right or not, it's all about the Mr Beast click Bait algorithm 😔

[tall torrent]

That’s not rly the case, Rashad really wants that 10% atk speed but power sword doesn’t

Power sword can get breakpoints without desperado

Power sword’s benefit from atk speed is not as high since it needs to be powered every 3 strikes and melee atk speed is animation speed (not linear increase)

The atk speed bonus doesn’t make u block cancel its activation faster, for example

[low wagon]

yes, but I still feel like in tight spot power sword swings, especially heavies, are slow and that tiny bit of attack speed is significant and often difference between getting hit or interrupting enemy in time with your attack

[tall torrent]

Why’re u doing heavy attacks on power sword

You’re using mk3?

[low wagon]

I used both, recently favoring mk6 for crushers 2-hit

[tall torrent]

Mk6 doesn’t need to use heavy attacks in any of its combos

It’s just light spam

[deft crystal]

Every metavet

EVERY SINGLE ONE

[green willow]

does anybody go for the %5 move speed aura

[low wagon]

yeah, you are probably right on that

[misty delta]

They claim to know everything yet fear nothing. I claim to know nothing yet fear everything. We are not the same.

[final zealot]

Ope

I just figured out push attacks exist lol

how did I not know this

I thought push attack was the actual push lol