veteran-class

[tall torrent]

??

It literally is?

[ocean idol]

without bleed

[fast sundial]

is it finesse or is it weakspot

[tall torrent]

Weakspot is part of finesse

[ocean idol]

With bleed

this time it added more

very unreliable

ah wait

no, it did not

i did not wait for stacks of uncanny do go away

[fast sundial]

uncanny :)

[ocean idol]

Now i did

so it adds at best 100 damage

not worth running at all

[tall torrent]

Nah

[fast sundial]

that's +150

[ocean idol]

absolute dogshit of a blessing

[ocean idol]

still dogshit

[tall torrent]

What are running in its place

Precog?

[fast sundial]

around 30% damage increase is dogshit?

[earnest bone]

1126 without mercy killer
1456 with mercy killer
mk6

[fast sundial]

do tell

[earnest bone]

pushstab on crusher

[ocean idol]

An option. Riposte also.
I am bleed enjoyer, so i can also run lacerate

[tame lodge]

Oh important note
The push attack on the Mk1 shovel is cracked as hell
Not a lot of cleave though

[fast sundial]

lace-rat

[tawdry jackal]

Heavies

Swing at head level and they will die screaming

[earnest bone]

depends on density and if you have +25% attack speed or not, on weak hordes you can clear them with fast light swings faster than heavies, but big hordes with flak enemies/etc are heavy attacks, otherwise you'l get hit

[haughty cove]

ty fellas

[tame lodge]

They have better cleave than PA but not the cracked damage

[ocean idol]

Why does crit chance of quickdraw revolver increased by 21% when i am shooting?

[tall torrent]

784 vs 594 (+32%)

[fast sundial]

crit bonus stat

[sick cedar]

Is there any benefit to actually using something like a vigilant/headhunter autogun instead of a kantrael or helbore?

Genuine question

[fast sundial]

only shows up when shooting

[tall torrent]

because revolver max crit bonus has +21% crit chance

[ocean idol]

ah

[tame lodge]

Ammo economy
Draw time

[fast sundial]

over kantrael, it has surgical
over helbore, draw time

[sick cedar]

Ah

Gotcha

Thank you :)

[thorn plinth]

Man, actually OCD with my Blessings

If one's an adjective and the other's a noun, the adjective has to be first

A g i l e R a m p a g e

S u r g i c a l H a n d c a n n o n

[earnest bone]

and considering i can just get it right away with a punch i like it

[tawdry jackal]

I might do the vigilant soon for DMR work

Helbore I’m still practicing with

I still keep coming back to the boltgun though

[fast sundial]

understandable

i also must have "uncanny slaughterer" and not "slaughterer uncanny"

surgical hand cannon is also objectively correct

[hollow ibex]

i prefer it the other way around

hand cannon surgical 👌

[fast sundial]

chaotic evil

[thorn plinth]

[hollow ibex]

[thorn plinth]

[fast sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/tempting-proposition-offer-sadly-i-must-say-no-the-witcher-yennifer-gif-16021641

[ocean idol]

Which toughness restoring talent you prefer?

[thorn plinth]

Multiple, just not the one on the left as a melee boy

At least ALWAYS Confirmed Kill iirc

[earnest bone]

middle one

but left side one is cool too

just usually dont have points to grab that

sad life

[thorn plinth]

Gotta be FIENDING for those elite kills

[ocean idol]

Right now i actually want to try it with revolver, should be easy on demand toughness restoration

[thorn plinth]

Always run straight at the melee groups while foaming from the mouth

[fast sundial]

confirmed kill is good

out for blood also very good

[thorn plinth]

Crazed Commissar rushes group of Crushers and all he has to say is, "I WANT THESE KARKERS DEAD"

[fast sundial]

are you a chainsword type or a saber type

[ocean idol]

Why laspistol feels like ass now?

[fast sundial]

it's the same as before

[thorn plinth]

Sabre, otherwise I probably wouldn't be rushing the Crushers like that

[fast sundial]

very nice

you should start using creature spawner to summon 20 crushers in the psykhanium and see if you can fulfil "current objective: survive"

[hollow ibex]

using the wrong mark?

[broken spade]

you guys ever try just fighting the default psykanium?

the infinitely respawning mutant is a bastard

[earnest bone]

basically

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bison-street-fighter-yes-gif-3718772

[analog yacht]

there's 3 good ones that are easy to access (i.e. near other good skills)

1. confirmed kill
2. shout + overshield
3. either target down or on your toes

depending on your build tho shout is more than enough

you still take confirmed kill though because close order drill

[hollow ibex]

you're forgetting out 4 blood

[lavish token]

my record was something like 500 total

[analog yacht]

the other two aren't as free bc there's a potentially dead talent in the way

[lavish token]

[analog yacht]

25% swap speed w/ revolver is a wasted talent point for example

[hollow ibex]

that's true, one motion isn't good on many builds

but out for blood itself is good

[undone jungle]

swap speed is kinda bad on everything tbh. boltgun has a quick switch bug you can exploit :P

[analog yacht]

yeah i mean 33% TDR is cracked

the other 2 can't really compare

which is why I say confirmed kill

[undone jungle]

yurp

[analog yacht]

vet is so bottom heavy that you can't really waste points at the start

[undone jungle]

charismatic is slept on too, worth investing if you run VoC as VoC affects allies in coherency

[hollow ibex]

nah fuck my team lol

[undone jungle]

average vet main

[hollow ibex]

if they aren't near me, it's on them

[analog yacht]

it procs your close order drill better but still

[hollow ibex]

most of my teammates are m1 psykers anyway

they don't deserve shit from me

[trim steppe]

Player #4 really pulling their weight for sure

[undone jungle]

i like making those useless little shits invincible more often than not

[analog yacht]

I would like to take it but the bottom talents are too cracked to pass up

[undone jungle]

i usually find a place for it on VoC builds

[hollow ibex]

if only they were useless

useless is being better than a m1 psyker

[undone jungle]

but it is the first talent to go

m1 psyker is quite good actually lmao

if*

they're a good player

boring but stupidly op build rn

[hollow ibex]

that's the problem, it's stupidly good and it makes the game annoying and boring for everyone else

[undone jungle]

it's not as bad as dueling sword imma be fr

[hollow ibex]

(and they're usually smykers too)

[undone jungle]

or griffonfoot pistols from vt2

actively auto leave lobbies with that piece of shit

[hollow ibex]

dueling sword should've stayed psyker exclusive

[undone jungle]

yeah agreed

[hollow ibex]

i liked running it on my psyker and now it's prob gonna get nerfed because everyone is using it now lol

[undone jungle]

worst of all ds will totally get nerfed which will just harm psykers for no reason

exactly

[hollow ibex]

yeah rip

[analog yacht]

the issue is how much finesse shit the vet has

[lavish token]

it was always op

[analog yacht]

just cranks the weapon way too far

[undone jungle]

i dont think they'll rollback adding ds to every class too, pretty sure it'll just get nerfed to autopistol status

nahh

probably a nerf to its cara damage

shit will probably take 6 heavies now lmao

[analog yacht]

then you just run uncanny 100% of the time idk

[undone jungle]

with uncanny

💀

or they'll never nerf it and it will be boringly OP

🙃

[analog yacht]

i think if they nerf uncanny and infinity dodge it'd be much more reasonable

[undone jungle]

maybe yea

tbf it's almost not brokenly op

[analog yacht]

yeah i mean rashad exists lol

if they nuke it then people just move to that

[undone jungle]

wym move to that

rashad users never left

💀

[analog yacht]

I really like swords, just like, vibe wise

[undone jungle]

saw a dude on here say he'd quit the game if rashad got nerfed like bro you're rlly gonna quit the game over the most boring moveset

[analog yacht]

and DS is the only good sword in the game rn

[thorn plinth]

Funny thing is I never used Dueling Sword on Psyker, I just always used Illisi, but now it's my favorite sword on Vet

[analog yacht]

so I'll be sad if it dies

[undone jungle]

i do this funny thing where i make other weapons look like swords

my chainaxes are chainswords

😭

weapon customization is the only reason i ever used rashad because its base skin is so fugly

[thorn plinth]

Psyker has so much infinite ranged options to deal with armor that I usually always have my melee be horde clear

[undone jungle]

i just never use melee on psyker except emergencies because their ranged horde-clears better usually too

actually what staff doesnt horde-clear insanely rn

even lightning staff has insane hclear with m1 spam

[analog yacht]

I wanna play melee psyker but unfortunately it's mid

[thorn plinth]

I just like slicing through hordes with special Illisi heavies

[undone jungle]

melee psyker was not bad a few patches ago

but yeah now its a bit mid, i only run it to complete weeklies

in other news when did crusher get slaughterer? was that recent

i swear it never had it

[thorn plinth]

Probably one of the things from Unlocked and Loaded where they gaves weapons that had fewer blessings more blessings

[undone jungle]

yeah its fucking nuts rn

scrusher + slaughterer on a crit build

wonderful

really happy to see that since i would rather die than use ds4 again

[inner temple]

I find them kinda fun and good. Still viable just uh.. iffy at times. There's better but good ish

[thorn plinth]

Tbh if I wasn't doing Commissar larp and had my Vet dressed as a regular soldier, I'd probably use Rashad instead of DS

[ocean idol]

Is heavy sword any good on vet?

[thorn plinth]

Or knife, either way

[analog yacht]

i just don't vibe with axes

[analog yacht]

no armor damage 😔

no boss damage 😔

[ocean idol]

that is not an answer

Those 2 can be dealt with ranged

[analog yacht]

if you're not playing auric you can probably do good stuff with heavy sword

on auric there's way too much bullshit to not take 2 weapons that are anti-elite/special

[tawdry jackal]

Thinking I’m gonna chain sword it up again

[analog yacht]

i mean lowk game is easy and you even could on auric but you won't be saving runs unless you're giga cracked

[tawdry jackal]

Chainaxe really wasn’t doing it for me on horde clear and I’m thinking strike down chainsword mk13 revved up will handle the scrubs

[undone jungle]

tbf psyker melees biggest issue is psyker has amazing toughness regen when using staffs

and absolutely abysmal toughness regen when not

[tawdry jackal]

Like I couldn’t manage to make the chainaxe work for me as well as I would have liked

[undone jungle]

i like chaxe

works on psyker for me but i also just like it

the heavy chain hordeclear one on psyker specifically

[tawdry jackal]

Like it’s very good for the single target shit

[verbal burrow]

All that Nurgle bullshit out there be like

[ocean idol]

now that is absolutely false

1 weapon is absolutely enough

and heavy sword is good on zealot

[ocean idol]

nah, chsword way worse than chaxe, and chaxe is amazing

[analog yacht]

bc zealot can just crit all the time and crit gives rending

[ocean idol]

No, i just take revolver on zealot if i take heavy sword

[undone jungle]

chsword honestly performs worse in both accounts to chaxe

(the diagonal heavies one)

the alt chaxe is crazy with thrust though

[tawdry jackal]

the fuck?

[undone jungle]

no he's right

slaughterer/headtaker are just that busted

[ocean idol]

you must have been playing with your feet if you think that chaxe is bad

[undone jungle]

with good dodges its just objectively better

[ocean idol]

both chaxes are good at everything

[tawdry jackal]

i just explained the issue i'm having and that's all you got for me?

[undone jungle]

well yeah?

[ocean idol]

the one with vertical heavies is amazing elite and boss killer as well

[tawdry jackal]

aight bet, peace be with you dawg i don't have time for an idiot's opinion

[undone jungle]

the vertical heavy one with thrust + headtaker is actually nuts

[ocean idol]

you did not explain anything

[analog yacht]

headtaker reads "this single target weapon can now horde clear with headshots"

[undone jungle]

idk whats with this guy he did the same shit in ogryn chat earlier

[ocean idol]

types things
gets mad when people discuss said things

[tawdry jackal]

see this is useful info

[ocean idol]

typical ogryn player tbh

h

[tawdry jackal]

gets me to look at the weapon different

[undone jungle]

we

what

[undone jungle]

^

[ocean idol]

you mean deathblow? Because headtaker only increases damage

[undone jungle]

no

headtaker increases power afaik

[analog yacht]

.

[ocean idol]

well power

[undone jungle]

power is NOT just damage salty

power is damage, stagger, CLEAVE

[ocean idol]

slat head taker on theo ne with horizntal heavies

headtaker thrust on the one with certical

[analog yacht]

uhh, whatever the one is. i don't remember talents by name really

just effect

[undone jungle]

well

"strength" in this game

[ocean idol]

i know

[undone jungle]

im still vt2 brained

[verbal burrow]

As an ironbreaker main from VT2 I can second this. Powermaxxing is good for the soul, the damage, the stagger, and the cleave

[undone jungle]

💪

we love POWER in this house

[ocean idol]

Ironbreaker main

[analog yacht]

power in v2 was actually weaker

[ocean idol]

[undone jungle]

yeah ngl

[verbal burrow]

Especially if you are also spamming Shield Heavy 1 with animation cancelling

[undone jungle]

im sorry maxajax...

[analog yacht]

i believe 10% power was like 10% damage and 5% stagger/cleave or something

[undone jungle]

ironbreaker main...

😭

wait maxajax

[analog yacht]

in dt it's 10% to all

[undone jungle]

this will seperate you from the peasant ib mains to god ib mains

[verbal burrow]

I care not for the wailings of those who prefer Outcast Engineer

[undone jungle]

what ranged do you prefer

[ocean idol]

I was bardin main, and while i could enjoy IB from time to time, it is most mind numbing class you can h ave in VT after zealot

[undone jungle]

hey now

ranged zealot with volley is fun as fuck

[inner temple]

Yeah BUT Scriers gaze would be good if they gave it where every kill queills peril

[undone jungle]

but besides that yeah

[analog yacht]

so insane to me that zealot passive applied to ranged lmao

[undone jungle]

they actually gave us a talent as good as that last update

its in one of those weird tumours to the right

[verbal burrow]

I consider it my obligation to bear the Trollhammer Torpedo, so that I may imbibe the Potion of Strength and past-tense any boss that comes for my squishy drengbarazi

[undone jungle]

alright you pass

i wish OE wasn't busted

[ocean idol]

I loved OE before he was cool

People always underestimated him

[undone jungle]

I actually really liked OE on release because the guaranteed crit talent made the drakegun insane with that one power on crit trait

[analog yacht]

OE back when his function was "deny my team temp hp and then fucking die from tripping on a pebble"

[ocean idol]

and everyone was absolutely wrong in not taking gromril plated shots

[undone jungle]

but they gutted that and gave OE nade printer

and it was just

[ocean idol]

it was absolutely mandatory pick

[undone jungle]

Not

what I think it needed

[ocean idol]

But most people were arguiing against it

which was just dumb

[inner temple]

Oh still new and only have 60-70 hrs so IDK all perks yet. But I know melee works with psyker while using Scriers gaze.

[undone jungle]

I actually did

my fav build was drakegun, that one talent that gave you guaranteed crits to make it busted and gromril, with concoction ofc

1h hammer >>>>

[ocean idol]

I have almost 600 hours

guess how many talents names i know

[inner temple]

Uhh

[analog yacht]

4

[inner temple]

8

[analog yacht]

that's about how many i know lmao

[undone jungle]

it works, sure, and the speed is nice, but zealot exists

[ocean idol]

just about that, yeah

about 6

[inner temple]

I know.. 1 lol

[undone jungle]

i cant quantify them

too many

[ocean idol]

I know all talents

i don't remember any of their names

[tawdry jackal]

chainsword still clears hordes faster, just tried a 50 groaner horde test with shovel, chainsword, chainaxe, powersword

[undone jungle]

i don't know all talents bruh there's some you just never grab

[inner temple]

Yeah its basically what zealot does but worse. Still you get good aoe if you take uh.. the lightning good stun and activate

[undone jungle]

like on the middle part of zealot to the left side of that

genuinely cant tell you what goes on in there

what the fuck

[tawdry jackal]

sorry i went at you earlier disrespectfully

[undone jungle]

AHHAH??? WHAT

[inner temple]

Its good trust especially with a full melee build.

Use dash and just build out for it

[undone jungle]

you are adorable, I have like 100 hours in that build alone 😭

[ocean idol]

https://tenor.com/view/who-asked-me-trying-to-find-who-asked-spongebob-spunch-bob-gif-22526294

[undone jungle]

but thank you

[verbal burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh2xhUkId-c&ab_channel=Janfon1

[analog yacht]

-20% sprint cost isn't giga horrible, it's just in a horrible spot of the tree

[inner temple]

O ahem shh

[undone jungle]

-20% sprint cost is kind of giga terrible im sorry

[tawdry jackal]

ok bet, back to block you go

[undone jungle]

actually

wait

[tawdry jackal]

fucking asshole

[undone jungle]

whats the lowest it can go

if you stack on weapon too

[inner temple]

Hmm curious imma try that lol

[analog yacht]

sprint cost stacks multiplicatively

[undone jungle]

btw just don't engage with solitaire he had a childhood accident involving a stick up his arse

[verbal burrow]

people should be appreciating Bardin instead of arguing

[ocean idol]

could be uesful on knife

[undone jungle]

give this man a true

[verbal burrow]

But yeah

[undone jungle]

#vent i miss when masterwork pistol didnt exist and make ranger veteran one-note

[undone jungle]

before masterwork pistol I actually did boss dps on RV with throwing axes

[analog yacht]

if you ran 3x sprint cost on curios and then that it would double your sprint distance

[verbal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

[ocean idol]

I don't

[undone jungle]

because chaining headshots on bosses with taxes was the best boss DPS on RV

it felt amazing

[ocean idol]

i once had 40k damage

[undone jungle]

masterwork pistol RUINED MY LIFE

[ocean idol]

on OE before his rework

[undone jungle]

okay i gotta calm down

[verbal burrow]

I am not a DPS

[ocean idol]

I KNOW WHAT IT DID TO YOUR WIFE

[analog yacht]

oe was so fucking weird

[verbal burrow]

I am the purest form of shield tanking dawi

[analog yacht]

on release it was just dogshit with op as fuck weapons

[ocean idol]

As if shield did not have good damage lol

[undone jungle]

OE imo is in a worse state rn than it was on release but in the exact opposite direction

[analog yacht]

so you took them on other classes and swept

[undone jungle]

ehh

[verbal burrow]

It does but don't tell anyone or Fatshark might notice

[undone jungle]

it wasn't actually that bad

there was one build with it that nobody ran that was insane

[verbal burrow]

There also just wasn't anything to deal 40k damage -to-

[ocean idol]

I mean what do i know

I aws pyromancer enjoyer

and greatly enjoyed her latest rework

[verbal burrow]

And I was picking up dead people left right and center

[ocean idol]

the one that like doubled her heat bar

i also always ran crit refund on fireball

And and some other staves

like the one with aoe stagger

[undone jungle]

OE back then had the same crit every couple strikes talent as Zealot or Mercenary, which had a weird synergy with Drakegun + Hunter blessing, essentially making it go from doing 0 damage to being stronger than Darktide flamer on a crit build

[ocean idol]

it is glorious

[undone jungle]

that was probably the strongest build on it back then

besides trollhammer + insta rev minigun

which is the only build for it now

:/

[undone jungle]

yeah same

i fucking ADORE the new lvl 30 talent

where you just become immune to blowing up

oh my god its so fun

shotgun staff spamming m1 with QQ or bolt staff spamming m2

I used to play pyro prebuff but it's in a fantastic place rn

I think there's few classes besides OE that I am kind of dissapointed in

[verbal burrow]

I also play this https://youtu.be/tjSWjCeabnU?si=mF_aObXljxSO-Kv5

[undone jungle]

I do think BH is undertuned but literally nobody in the entire world agrees with me

so thats fine

but also I exclude those fucking shotguns from the equation

griffonfoot should just be deleted from the game

[analog yacht]

I remember back when they were adding elf shield people were like "will it be bad bc shield weapon or good bc elf weapon"

[ocean idol]

No. Gromril plated shots are mandatory

[undone jungle]

worthless if running thammer imo

since thammer does its job better now

[inner temple]

Yes

[undone jungle]

if not though I agree it's goated

the fuck

trollhammer

thammer

thunderhammer

[ocean idol]

well slayer kinda ass in comparison with GK

[undone jungle]

not when im behind the wheel :-)

[verbal burrow]

I think that Witch Hunter Captain should be re-named to Dripmeister-General.

[ocean idol]

No. GK just objectively better at everything

[supple stag]

Elf shield is pretty meh on HM anyway xdd

[undone jungle]

I play both, I enjoy Slayer more

[supple stag]

You don't need THAT much safety on HM

[analog yacht]

The shield weapon curse 😔

[verbal burrow]

I've made it work plenty of times. The trick is that the enemy cannot stab your teammates if you stagger their face

[ocean idol]

Me too, but that's entirely irrelevant

i was pretty much slayer main for a long time

[undone jungle]

I don't think objectively better at everything though

[ocean idol]

before switching to Sienna

[verbal burrow]

Slayer makes my right hand hurt too much

[undone jungle]

I just run an autoclicker dawg

😭

[ocean idol]

CRINGE

[undone jungle]

fatshark said its chill

[ocean idol]

HERETIC

[undone jungle]

hey

get mad at management

not me

[ocean idol]

NO

YOU ARE IN THE BOOK

[analog yacht]

If you aren't giving yourself rsi are you really a True Gamer

[verbal burrow]

They were extremely real tho

[ocean idol]

I've been gaming a lot whole my life

I have 0 problems with wrists

[analog yacht]

Give yourself arthritis by 30 or you're not a real man

[undone jungle]

GK is good but Slayer being able to go Mach 1 or Crunch is underrated

also getting 100 games as Slayer was fun getting 100 as GK made me nearly quit the class completely

[analog yacht]

Gap closer on a pure melee class is def overlooked here

[ocean idol]

Don't need gap closer when you have shield that makes you immune to ranged damage

[undone jungle]

booo boring

[ocean idol]

AND?

[undone jungle]

its not even that good though

and most GK mains don't even run shield

[ocean idol]

you are not even that good > : (

[undone jungle]

like objectively that's true the most popular build is mace and sword with exec

which is boring

[ocean idol]

AND

[analog yacht]

I mean sure you can sit behind your shield and do nothing

Meanwhile slayer can gap close and actually contribute

[ocean idol]

ask anyone in VT discord who is better, GK or Slayer

[undone jungle]

as Slayer I am a missile as GK I am a slightly better Merc in melee

[undone jungle]

VT discord is full of hitlerites why would I do that

[ocean idol]

What are you smoking

[undone jungle]

I'd rather be joyful than go there

[analog yacht]

Yeah I mean this is the 40k server, statistically speaking there's probably more of those here

[ocean idol]

[supple stag]

Full of who?

[undone jungle]

nah darktide is actually actively gaining players not losing them

😭

vt2 playerbase kinda struggling lately, i often struggle to find games

[supple stag]

What region are you?

[analog yacht]

6 year old game not as populated as new game

[undone jungle]

vt2 cant be only 6 years old

[ocean idol]

Main reason i prefer DT over VT is better gore

[undone jungle]

i swear its older

[ocean idol]

and enemies don't feel like they made of paper

[analog yacht]

Isn't it 2018

[undone jungle]

2018 was 20 years ago

[analog yacht]

v1 was like 2015 I think

[undone jungle]

honestly the main reason i prefer DT over VT2 is because VT2 unmodded is really easy

[analog yacht]

I remember bc the beta came out when pd2 shit the bed

[analog yacht]

Real

[ocean idol]

unmodded vt is harder than DT

[undone jungle]

no lmao

[ocean idol]

mostly because of stupid THP system

[supple stag]

PAYDAY 2 shat it's bed many times xdd

[ocean idol]

i hated it

[analog yacht]

I log on, cakewalk a cata run, log off bored

[undone jungle]

THP makes the game easier?/

like significantly easier

[ocean idol]

actually another reason why i prefer DT

[sonic coyote]

Is Serrated Blades overall a nerf because if the enemies dies to the bleed you generate less toughness?

[ocean idol]

well i mostly played classes without that good acess to thp...

like Shade

[undone jungle]

is this a darktide question

serrated blades is that one veteran talent right?

[ocean idol]

[sonic coyote]

yup.

[undone jungle]

1 bleed stack will probably not kill a single thing

[analog yacht]

You take SB to proc blessings

[undone jungle]

it's ENTIRELY for proc'ing Mercy Killer

[analog yacht]

Not for the damage

[undone jungle]

worthless besides that

[ocean idol]

it is worthless ev en with that

[undone jungle]

eh

well

[ocean idol]

because mercy killer not worth running

[undone jungle]

yeah

don't let some people hear you

but i agree..

crazy they made a talent for exactly 1 weapon and 1 blessing

[ocean idol]

and i say this a s bleed enjoyer

[analog yacht]

Mercy killer on vet effectively costs blessing + talent point

As opposed to just blessing

It has to pull more weight then other stuff

[ocean idol]

if it added 60% finesse it would worth running

[analog yacht]

Doesn't it?

[ocean idol]

[ocean idol]

ok, then it is just bad

[analog yacht]

idk like you can totally run it

do like riposte for extra crit chance + mercy killer for +60% finesse

which double dips on crit headshots

you just gotta take the talent point into your calculus

bc you can also just run uncanny strikes for giga damage vs like everything

or riposte + precog if you're perfect dodging anyway

[ocean idol]

no, oyu never do that lmao

because uncanny is mandatory

[analog yacht]

uncanny 😔

it's such a silly blessing

[ocean idol]

i need another melee weapon to use with agile engagement

may be heavy sword

[analog yacht]

even like worst case scenario when you have an armor type with 100% base damage it gives you 25% more damage at 4-5 stacks

[round jetty]

are they ever going to fix the chat just sometimes refusing to work

[thorn plinth]

Isn't that like an issue with the social backend or something?

[round jetty]

no idea

[thorn plinth]

Know that people are having issue even like connecting to friends or something

[normal river]

whats the best strategy to get an overwatch currently? I heared it could be cheesed by hanging on a ledge on the beginning of the mission. Does that still work? is there a better way, perhaps involving the new shorter train mission?

[analog yacht]

i heard you can still cheese it that way but idk if it's true

[sleek garden]

do you guys know if the bayonet on helbores counts as melee for agile engagement?

[tame lodge]

It does

[tall torrent]

It literally does
Did u not see the vid I sent above

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s boring strong but u can play knife without it

[tame lodge]

Precognition Mercy Killer

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1299839348933525627/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.26_-_16.56.30.03.mp4?ex=671ea93a&is=671d57ba&hm=da01fd70c2dd4cadef659d973d859e1616cc293ae8b7532ee18b6e0399f32d2c&

[orchid hemlock]

so a streamer wants people to rip apart their build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d34fad4-6196-4d20-9874-5a7b51ec8401/v-melee-focus-w-dueling-sword

good luck everyone

[tall torrent]

it's alright

[tall torrent]

confirmed kill still overall better tbh

but it's not bad

only real critique is not having >200 health and 20% sniper resist

but I can get why some people like CDR more

[worldly pulsar]

I thought Thrust was a bait blessing on vet DS

[tall torrent]

it is

but like, he's playing uncanny strike

so does it really matter lol

[analog yacht]

I do notice the 3.6 off cd a lot but I'm still unsure if it's worth it

[worldly pulsar]

I guess not, but if he's asking for build critique he could still do better than Thrust

[analog yacht]

The difference between 12s cd after 3 special kills and 8.4 is very noticeable ime

[tall torrent]

it is noticeable yea

[analog yacht]

But so is being able to sprint for 6 years with sprint reduction

[shadow dagger]

do grenades proc covering fire actually

[tall torrent]

no

[shadow dagger]

aw

unfort

[tall torrent]

bleed DOT doesn't

it has to be ranged attack kill

[analog yacht]

the more significant breakpoint is probably 2 special kills giving 100% uptime on shout overshield

vs. 3s of downtime

[orchid hemlock]

does DB take always prepared?

[analog yacht]

ap rounds up to 1 round with 1 kill so it's super good on revolver and db

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[analog yacht]

rn I'm running these but i'm not 100%

[pale pecan]

For Vet?

[analog yacht]

mhm

[pale pecan]

Veteran can get the most toughness, and has access to the easiest toughness damage reduction perks. Why not build all toughness?

[analog yacht]

snipers and pox bursters

[orchid hemlock]

for DS when is UNyield batter than Cara?

[analog yacht]

sometimes shit happens and you don't wanna get 1 shot

[pale pecan]

That's fair.

I don't find myself in situations like that often enough to warrant the swap, but you're totally justified then.

I wish there was more of a reason to use a different curio.

[analog yacht]

2x health curio + sniper res lets you survive 2 sniper shots and 3 pox bursters per @tall torrent's pinned guide

and importantly not get 1 shot at 1 wound

[pale pecan]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d575982-9f33-4b90-9c58-b65621d6cf6c/veteran-fragger

I wanted to pop by to drop in this Nade spam build I've been shredding with.

Pun intended.

[orchid hemlock]

is build editor not working for yall? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[pale pecan]

Mine is fine.

[pale pecan]

I'll probably look that over on how to optimize a bit more later.

But my experience so far is that for every class you can't go wrong building full toughness.

[analog yacht]

the thing is for everything else making a mistake just chips toughness a bit

and yeah more toughness lets you make more mistakes in rapid succession

but the mistake penalty with snipers and bursters is severe

and shout + iron will etc. already gives you an absurd amount of toughness mistake leeway

so building to mitigate the 2 big toughness ignoring threats is worth it

[pale pecan]

That's a fair assessment.

I still like the added protection from certain dot effect too though.

Being able to run through a lot of flamers that spawned as a wave on Auric is nice.

But I guess it makes sense that we would both build for the things we like lol

[tall torrent]

Because health breakpoints matter more in the grand scheme of things

[pale pecan]

Oh dw I'll give it a try and see, I've got all the curios to do it, I just haven't seen a reason to since there are few synergies in the Vet talent tree that line up with any curios except Toughness or Stamina.

[tall torrent]

My recommendation is >200 health, 20% sniper resist, everything else up to u

There’re 2 ways to get >200 health
2 health curios
Or 1 health curios + 3x 5% health perk/talent

[pale pecan]

Snipers definitely feel more snap shotty recently.

[tall torrent]

20% sniper resist cuts sniper shot’s damage from 122.5 down to 98

[pale pecan]

So half healthm gotcha

[tall torrent]

Just enough for u to survive 2 shots (also not instantly die if you get shot at 1 full wound)

[pale pecan]

That makes sense.

[tall torrent]

It’s taken solely to counter bullshit scenarios

[gilded wraith]

The old mutant toss sniper skeet shoot!

[tawdry jackal]

I run the latter but I’m wondering if I should switch to having more health.

[delicate helm]

my attempt at a krieger

[tall torrent]

I'd only consider the latter if u need +stamina curios tbh

[tawdry jackal]

I run x1 health curio, x2 toughness curios. The 9 perks are divvied up as follows: x3 toughness, x3 health, x2 gunner resist, x1 Sniper.

How am I doing with that in general?

[tall torrent]

Works

But

I like my 3x +10% dockets

And I think sprint efficiency is pretty high value for veteran & ogryn usually

[sleek garden]

Agripinaa revolver and catachan sword this time

its kinda fun to play cowboy

this was in the auric maelstrom

[tawdry jackal]

I could swap out the toughness perks for sprint efficiency

[orchid hemlock]

OK time to start the great stamina regen or SE debate

[tall torrent]

Veteran & ogryn
Sprint efficiency

Zealot
Optional either/none

Psyker
Optional stamina regen

That’s my opinion

[orchid hemlock]

Why?

[tall torrent]

Which part

[orchid hemlock]

Why is SE better on Vet than Psyker for exmaple

[tall torrent]

Psyker has fast enough stamina regen delay (0.5s) that you can sprint-slide loop forever without running out

Which puts u at basically permanent ranged damage immunity if you angle ur sprint properly

[orchid hemlock]

But if Vet has the worst stamina regen?

[tall torrent]

Not if. Veteran just has the worst stamina regen (1s delay)

[orchid hemlock]

So don't u want to lower that?

[tall torrent]

And you kind of need to go out of ur way for stam regen delay reduction talents (2~3 points) depending on build

Which is usually in competition with “better breakpoints / kill more things”

[orchid hemlock]

So ig what u are trying to say is that you would rather double down on what is storing versus suplimenting what is weak in the class? 🤔

[tall torrent]

What I’m trying to say is

When you have 2 remaining points to spend

Would u rather grab demo team + smth else nice

Or spec 2 points into CQKZ + stam regen delay reduction

[analog yacht]

Something worth noting is that sprint reduction is multiplicative (good) and stamina regen is additive (bad)

But obviously sprint only affects sprint not block or push

[tall torrent]

Not really the case

Sprint efficiency is inverse multiplicative as in
(1/0.85)^3 =1.628 which is ~63% longer sprint

[analog yacht]

I don't mean that stamina regen is bad

I mean that multiplicative is stronger than additive

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily

Because damage resist is also multiplicative and it has diminishing returns in a way

Stacking 3x gunner resist for example is 1x(0.8^3) =0.512 (reduce damage by ~49%)

[analog yacht]

imo not viewing reductions in the inverse is misleading

[steady dawn]

Sorry to be random but thank you for making that your username.

wrong person lmao

sorry Im blind

(I never think to check pins)

[analog yacht]

Like 50% reduction multiplicative stacks to double whatever the stat is every time

[orchid hemlock]

so ur saying that stamina regen on Vet is not justified because for it to be viable u need to take the stam regen node with it

[analog yacht]

Sprint efficiency could also read "+17.6% sprint distance"

And that is multiplicative

[tall torrent]

No, I’m saying you could take it, but sprint efficiency is usually better

Because most of ur stamina drain is gonna be from sprinting anyway

[analog yacht]

For 63% with 3 stacks instead of just 53% if it were additive

[tall torrent]

There’re few weapons that really need to spam push atk repeatedly

And even if u needed to spam PA, you’d go with +stam and stam regen delay node

Stam regen delay determines the rate at which u can spam PA more than “stamina recovery rate”

It doesn’t matter if you’re regenerating 1 stamina/s or 1.36 stamina/s

You can push whenever you have any sliver of stamina and that’s determined by the regen delay

[analog yacht]

With this example the stat could also read "gunners need to do 25% more damage to kill you" and that it's multiplicative means you get 95% with 3 instead of just 75%

'additive' reductions aren't linear though

When I say additive maybe I should say linear

Like going from 20% to 40% to 60% damage reduction would be closer to exponential

Even though it's 'additive'

[tall torrent]

I don’t think there’s any reduction in this game that stacks additively

It’s all multiplicative

Which is why I use x?% instead of -?% for them in my guide

[analog yacht]

Right but I'm saying that DR stacking multiplicatively isn't "bad"

Like sure it's worse than if you could just add it up to 60% dr

[pale pecan]

I've been wondering that about Exhilarating Takedown's stacks lately but have been too lazy to test.

[analog yacht]

But multiplicative dr is still stronger than e.g. linear health

[pale pecan]

Does it go 1-((1-0.1)^x)) where x is the number of stacks

Or is it purely just add 10%

[broken spade]

Agree
the amount reduced is diminishing but your effective survivability against gunners is 1.25x higher each time you take the curio perk.
There isn't diminishing returns if you view it as effective hp

[analog yacht]

^

That said! Each gunner resistance you take makes gunners a smaller slice of the damage pie

[broken spade]

the time i can survive against a gunner isn't diminishing.
In fact, the flat amount of time i can tank them is actually getting bigger per perk

[tall torrent]

It’s x0.9 per stack, up to x0.729 (around 27% reduction)

[analog yacht]

So the subsequent one is diminished in that sense

[tall torrent]

Exhilarating takedown on its own is not bad

The problem is that you have to take Longshot to get to it

[pale pecan]

No, that works with my equation.

[tall torrent]

And Longshot is horrible

[analog yacht]

But the ehp you get vs gunners is a multiplicative 1.25x per perk

[pale pecan]

How so? I always liked it for negating damage falloff on shotguns at longer ranges.

[analog yacht]

It's very inconsistent about extending breakpoint range

[tall torrent]

Does nothing from 0-12.5m (because it uses close damage’s code)
Scales from +0% to +20% from 12.5 to 30m
Result: at ~13m you get a whopping +0.6% damage

Surely that +0.6% damage is gonna change a breakpoint

[analog yacht]

And yeah it scales way too slow

[pale pecan]

Okay yeah

Suddenly that 15% at 8m looks a lot more appealing

[tall torrent]

What talent is that

[pale pecan]

My bad 20% they buffed it

[tall torrent]

Killzone is not as bad as Longshot
It’s still just mid

[tawdry jackal]

Wish those talents had more general uptime/use cases

[pale pecan]

I'm ngl, i also look more at base ranged dmg just for buffing frag nades

[tall torrent]

Because counting on enemies to not be near you in a game designed around melee combat is apparently not a great idea

[analog yacht]

Left tree has a lot of meme talents

[sly fern]

what is the dump stat on bolt pistol?

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t boost blitz damage, sorry

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[pale pecan]

I coulda swore it did ages ago, alas.

[tawdry jackal]

I legit skip survivalist sometimes because it sticks with me a talent or two I do not want

[sly fern]

is that the same with Bolt gun?

[broken spade]

yeah it's a matter of perspective.
Imo it's very misleading to call multiplicative % reductions as diminishing returns because looking at it from an angle of ehp, it's actually growing.
If i survive 1 second against a gunner:
1 perk makes it 1.25 seconds. 2 perks makes it 1.56 seconds, 3 makes 1.95 seconds
Saying the gains are "diminishing" here just feels wrong to me, even if the amount reduced per hit is diminishing, my survivability isn't

[tawdry jackal]

However boltgun hungry and friends need ammo so fuck it

[tall torrent]

Boltgun dumps mobility

[tall torrent]

The worst “diminishing returns” argument I’ve seen is on crit chance which is just

[pale pecan]

I'm ngl, I'm currently running a Helbore with Surgical and Hotshot, with ammo as my dump stat since I'm using shock trooper

[analog yacht]

Yeah exactly what I'm saying

[pale pecan]

Also can I just say god I have been sleeping on the Helbore.

[analog yacht]

Reductions should be converted to ehp or regen speed or whatever is relevant

[pale pecan]

It's literally a spear with a lasgun attached to it

[broken spade]

the real reason to not stack 3x gunner resist isn't diminishing returns, but the fact that you may not care about them as much after a certain point
but that's more of a playstyle/preference reason and not a math thing

[analog yacht]

Oh one thing that is additive reduction is ability cdr, right?

[tall torrent]

Ok true

[analog yacht]

It's just 4% so it barely matters

[tall torrent]

That’s the only additive reduction

[pale pecan]

I mean, I still take the 4%

12% total off an ult doesn't seem like much

but if you think on how many times you'll ult in a game

Plus, it makes flat cdr talents more effective

[tall torrent]

I just run
2x +21% health
20% sniper
1x +17% toughness & 2x +5% toughness
3x x85% sprint cost
3x +10% dockets

[shadow dagger]

+dockets my goat

[pale pecan]

What weapons do you run with that sprint cost?

[tall torrent]

What weapons do u like

[broken spade]

you run 3x 21% hp and 1x 17% toughness?
damn how do i get that 4th curio slot?

[pale pecan]

One would assume a Commando gun with the stamina refund since you got so much efficiency.

[tall torrent]

Typo

[tall torrent]

Not really, sprint efficiency is just generally good for veteran & ogryn

Because they normally have the worst stamina regen

[pale pecan]

Yeah I see that argument there.

I think that's also part of the reason I like having so much toughness.

Since toughness gets converted to stamina when lost.

Supplements the bad stam game

[tall torrent]

You can still reach 170~200 toughness on veteran without going 3x +17% toughness

Which I think is usually enough

[pale pecan]

But ty for also pointing out how bad the 36% stam regen for curios is btw

I need to swap that

[tall torrent]

No it’s not bad

[analog yacht]

I think I'm gonna swap a stamina for a 3rd sprint

[pale pecan]

I was running that so I could spam push with my Mk6 power sword for Crushers

[tall torrent]

It’s just, most of the time, your primary stamina loss is from sprinting

Or push atk

[analog yacht]

Yeah it's not bad just sprint is so much stamina

[tall torrent]

Which it doesn’t help as much cuz of the long regen delay

[pale pecan]

I try not to sprint unless I really need to leg it.

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna tell u smth incredible

[pale pecan]

But again the toughness helps with that

[tall torrent]

With a weapon that has normal 1 stamina/s sprint cost
With sprint-slide mix, and a total of 6 stamina with that weapon in-hand

You can go somewhere like 156m

[tawdry jackal]

Oh shit

[tall torrent]

Without running out of stamina

[tawdry jackal]

Fast boi lets fuggen go!!!

[tall torrent]

With 3x sprint efficiency

[tawdry jackal]

K imma put sprint efficiency on my ogryn too

Operation delta force happening

[pale pecan]

Honestly, I might replace the stam with sprint efficiency just because I want to see the potential with the Helbore charge.

[tall torrent]

It’s basically there to ensure you almost never run out of stamina from sprinting and you’re almost always going to enter combat with some stamina for push/block

[pale pecan]

Because that has been so much fun to mess around with

[tall torrent]

It’s not good for Helbore charge

[pale pecan]

😭

[tall torrent]

Cuz Helbore’s sprint stamina cost is way too high

[pale pecan]

I guess that's fair.

I swear though you run so fast even without stamina

[analog yacht]

You want to enter combat with stamina

Plus sprint state I guess

[pale pecan]

I will say I've been loving the range of the Helbore Bayonet tho like

I can hit a mutant as it's charging past me and again as it's running towards a teammate

Literally an attack of opportunity like a polearm. That 4m melee range doesn't mess around.

[tall torrent]

bayonet is nice for poking mutants, hounds & flamers

and 1v1 ragers

and poking at captain shields

that's kind of it

[pale pecan]

📝

[pale pecan]

I mean, I've liked it for poking at hordes from behind teammates, using the range advantage.

[tall torrent]

Bayonet attack has horrendous cleave damage distribution

You can drop from 503 damage on first target
To 53 damage on second target (both weakspot hit)

[pale pecan]

Fair enough.

Do you think they're going to fix hotshot soon?

[tall torrent]

Wdym fix

It’s merely working as intended

[pale pecan]

Je vois

How fun

[tall torrent]

With fatshark you just have to assume every “are we sure this one is a bug” interaction as a feature

Until they eventually may or may not patch it

[analog yacht]

Remember when they patched block rezzing in vermintide

[pale pecan]

Infinite ranged toughness Vet was fun while it lasted

So was infinite ammo ogryn

and infinite stealth zealot

and infinite bubble shield psyker

alas

[tall torrent]

Now u just get

Actually-not-bugged staff m1 spam psyker

Best build in the game

[pale pecan]

lmao

[tall torrent]

[pale pecan]

I miss my dot debuff vet build

When Onslaught could be procced by bleed and fire ticks

I grinded so hard to get T2 flechette so I could put it on a Kantrael with Scattershot, and just bleed and burn and armor shred everything.

It worked so well

I get they nerfed it for making the frag nades and bleed builds ramp up the armor shredding too fast but man.

But even then, we got AP Frag nades now anyways

Thanks Mr. Shock Maul

[tall torrent]

What

[pale pecan]

Opportunist and Skullcrusher. The 25% rending and 40% dmg debuffs, apply to grenades thrown.

With the weapon equipped

[tall torrent]

I guess? But I wouldn’t take both at the same time

Usually just skullcrusher

Opportunist is not worth it for this weapon

[pale pecan]

So with a few good talent picks you can take 25%-1/3 of a crusher's hp with a single Nade, but it scales really well with the 20% double nade perk.

I admit opportunist isn't amazing, but atleast I can get easy value from it with the Vet shout.

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent 😭

Ogrynomicon having bad takes 😔

[tall torrent]

I mean, that's fair

But it’s wrong

Running directly at the enemy doesn’t give u “avoid ranged attack” status

[pale pecan]

^

[tall torrent]

You need to be in a very specific angle

which looks like this (green = safe)

[shadow dagger]

isn't twinned nade a meme

[orchid hemlock]

do u agree with this tho? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Debatable

[pale pecan]

I thought so, until I started running the 5% chance to get nades back from allies killing elites and the extra grenade capacity

[tall torrent]

It’s ok for reducing chip damage when you’re forced into a shootout

[pale pecan]

You get the double nades to proc a lot

[tall torrent]

But a prolonged shootout is like the worst possible scenario for ogryn

[orchid hemlock]

what perks would u take on Ogryn?

[tame lodge]

It is but if going grenadier might as well get it

[tall torrent]

Do u want 3x +10% dockets

[orchid hemlock]

[tall torrent]

Is that a yes or a no

[pale pecan]

If it's a meme, I'm damn lucky.

I get it to proc a lot

[inner temple]

Unlimited money? Why not yes-yes

[pale pecan]

I've never been so satisfyed as to see all 4 of my frag nades be doubles

in a row

[tall torrent]

3x docket
Gunner / toughness / sprint efficiency imo
Toughness regeneration is ok if you have a buddy to coherency stick u continuously in shootouts

If u don’t care for sprint efficiency then probably 3x toughness & gunner resist

[shadow dagger]

now that I think about it

[inner temple]

Ok actually tho I love sprint efficiency. In general the idea of actually being able to sprint longer or actually block if I need to.

[shadow dagger]

did that sprint cost node that got replaced by one motion on the talent tree just evaporate

[tall torrent]

Also it’s not just “a few more meters”
You can go a genuinely stupid distance without running out of stamina with 3x sprint efficiency (veteran can go 150+m with 6 stam at 1/s base)

[shadow dagger]

I don't think it was moved anywhere right

[tall torrent]

Yea

It just got deleted

[tawdry jackal]

Can I run the heavy Lucius and just slash nerds instead?

[tall torrent]

If you run IV forget bayonet is a thing

[tawdry jackal]

That bad huh? Fair enough

[tall torrent]

Windup too long

[tall torrent]

@orchid hemlock

[pale pecan]

Honestly, fallen in love with the light helbore

[tawdry jackal]

The 5?

I think I tried to run the 3 and enjoyed it

[pale pecan]

I never remember them by name

just by color

the blue one

[inner temple]

One of my favorite abilities is the infiltrate on veteran. Just very nice ability to go in and out of stealth. (Even though the most you have is 2 uses if you take the extra use.)

[pale pecan]

Infiltrate is amazing

[austere mica]

I don't like the 2 uses

[tall torrent]

Take low profile

[austere mica]

If I need two shit is FUCKED

[pale pecan]

It's just got a skill high ceiling

[inner temple]

Its absolutely amazing

[austere mica]

Its also a point I can put elsewhere

[pale pecan]

Isn't that the -90% threat one?

[austere mica]

Yes

It extends stealth from 1-8 seconds of invis to 11-18

Cause fuck it

[buoyant thicket]

are this shovel's stats good

[pale pecan]

I used to run that a lot, but I don't like that it forces most enemies to immediately agro my teammates when I'm more than capabable of handling anything thrown at me.

So I swapped to running the 50% dmg reduction for 10 seconds

[austere mica]

Nope, you want dumped defences

[buoyant thicket]

thats what I was thinking

[austere mica]

Cool

[pale pecan]

With the 30% dmg for 5 seconds and 15% for 10.

[buoyant thicket]

just sent here for confirm

check my lasgun too

[pale pecan]

Gives solid damage and tankiness coming out of stealth

[pale pecan]

Great for boss killing with a power sword

[buoyant thicket]

I got stormtrooper so got ammo as dump stat

[pale pecan]

Or krak nades

[austere mica]

Weakspot isn't worth it

[tall torrent]

The point of infiltrate is that you get to safely dive backline for 10s with low profile and remove just about every problem for ur team

[austere mica]

Its damage calculations actually suck

[pale pecan]

Weakspot is almost never worth it

[austere mica]

What lasgun is that?

also seconds blessing?

[buoyant thicket]

infantry lasgun

[tall torrent]

Which Lasgun is this

[buoyant thicket]

dont have plasteel to upgrade yet im broke

[inner temple]

What I normally do. Or I use it to grab someone and that 90% is so good.

[austere mica]

What mk

[pale pecan]

That's fair, I treat it more like an adrenaline rush ability now. Hit the infiltrate button to become super tanky, do a bunch of damage, and stagger stuff around me.

[inner temple]

Had moments where I should've died but the 90% clutching

[buoyant thicket]

mk2b

[tall torrent]

Ok, drop weakspot for maniac, flak is good
Get ghost + headhunter for blessings

[buoyant thicket]

ghost?

why ghost

[tall torrent]

“Tank every ranged enemy continuously forever”

[austere mica]

Oh shit m2b has a crazy weakspot mod what

[tall torrent]

Why not

[pale pecan]

Ghost is quite good.

[tall torrent]

IIb? It’s nice

[pale pecan]

It's how I solo'd the Karnak twins on Hard

[tall torrent]

IIb is the best infantry Lasgun variant rn

[austere mica]

It actually makes weakspot perk gain value

[pale pecan]

You just gotta keep shooting faces and you won't get shot in the face

[austere mica]

Thats unusual

[pale pecan]

I wish crit damage and weakspot damage worked like people think they do

[buoyant thicket]

I also got weakspot ranged damage from talents

[pale pecan]

applying to the whole attack instead of the bonus damage

[buoyant thicket]

mk2b with weakspot perk

infernus

was going for uhhh

[tall torrent]

Infernus is not good unfortunately

[austere mica]

An armor type is probably more valueable as weakspot is only 12% versus 25% but I guess its ok on inflas

Thats really weird

[buoyant thicket]

headhunter on my second blessing

with infernus on first

[austere mica]

You want headhunter+deadly accurate

DoT blessings are lame on slow weapons

[inner temple]

True

[tall torrent]

Swap infernus to ghost

[buoyant thicket]

how about opening salvo

[austere mica]

Or ghost

[tall torrent]

Not worth for IIb

[austere mica]

I can live without ghost but it looks cool

[inner temple]

Is that the really short one? I dunno the marks yet

[buoyant thicket]

so headhunter just raises my crit chance every hit basically

until I get one

right?

[austere mica]

Yes

[buoyant thicket]

how about curios

for vet

what are the good perks

[tall torrent]

Get >200 health and 20% sniper resist

Everything else up to u

[austere mica]

I don't find that breakpoint very useful

[pale pecan]

Isn't infernus only good against bosses, barely so, than other picks?

[hearty panther]

not even really then

[pale pecan]

I only have ever really used it on the Recon Las and the laspistol.

I do like the damage it has on the laspistol though

[tall torrent]

it's only somewhat relevant in elevating recon lasguns' boss dps

[hearty panther]

maybe i should get powerdi

could get more specific numbers on this kind of stuff

[tall torrent]

laspistol has better options

[austere mica]

I run laspistol on like 70% of my zealot builds because they don't need a gun and an easy boss tool is good

[hearty panther]

but yea infernus is like, in the instance of boss/unyielding damage, maybe a 20% increase to your dps

[pale pecan]

I ran ghost infernus for a while, what would you recommend.

As of now I'm running the 5% crit chance chain on headshot for Shock Trooper's ammo conservation with ghost

[hearty panther]

which already puts it firmly behind dumdum and still means you are trading it for another blessing which would stay more relevant for more engagements

[tall torrent]

ghost / desperado / dum dum
pick 2

[pale pecan]

gotcha

[hearty panther]

and ghost is way good

[pale pecan]

Oh I know

[tall torrent]

desperado is literally riposte but gun

the tooltip is wrong

it's actually +20% R.crit chance for 6s

not +12.5% R.crit chance for 2s

[pale pecan]

That makes a lot more sense.

Also that synergizes with the vet crit on dodge talent anyways

Works for me

[hearty panther]

not that laspee is lacking in innate crit to begin with, granted

[tall torrent]

yes but it gives u like 50% crit chance from 1 dodge

which I think is quite good

[hearty panther]

if i wasnt already juiced to the tits with crit bonuses on vet

or psyker

[tall torrent]

I run ghost + desperado

[orchid hemlock]

wait why do u prefer SE over SR on Ogryn? 🤔

[analog yacht]

Long regen delay nerfs sr

[wild vortex]

hello Vets, does anyone have a nice Exe Stance build with Bolt Pistol

I just tried it with a slapdash stuff and that weapon FUCKS

[tall torrent]

1s regen delay

[wild vortex]

so I want a proper setup

[orchid hemlock]

what about Zealot?

[tall torrent]

preference since they have very strong stamina regen (0.75s delay, 1.5/s regen rate)

also zealot has desperation which benefits from being low stamina

[gilded rock]

Trying a heavy laspistol for the first time with a infil/MF build

Ghost seems like it will be silly fun

[orchid hemlock]

which do u prefer on most weapons?

[tall torrent]

wdym

[orchid hemlock]

zealot

[buoyant thicket]

what's the dump stat on combat shotguns

[austere mica]

Mobility

[tall torrent]

what are u asking about exactly

[austere mica]

As per usual

[tall torrent]

stability

[orchid hemlock]

SE or SR

[buoyant thicket]

so this is a good one?

[tall torrent]

sprint efficiency still tbh? cuz I play crusher

[tall torrent]

works

stability does like nothing for shotgun tho

it doesn't change spread much

sway doesn't mater
recoil doesn't matter

[candid agate]

i mean its mobility

swapping one trash for another

[buoyant thicket]

double barreled shotgun or combat shotgun which is better

[tall torrent]

DB

[candid agate]

use weapon specialist with always prepared for infinite clip on DB

[crude fiber]

Depends on what your using it for. Double barell is the best for actually shotgun activities