veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

and toss you into a burster

[formal hamlet]

Yeah.

Swings and roundabouts innit.

[hollow ibex]

just depends on how they're feelign that day lol

[elfin orchid]

tbf they absolutely dont do it in a normal way

[broken spade]

yeah they're still pretty special

but they're the sole reason why i can't just say specials aren't gonna shoot you with bullets

[slow spade]

yeah idk why snipers aren't elites

[broken spade]

i think they're special enough to be specials

but it can be a bit confusing for people

[slow spade]

when I think "sniper" I think a well-trained marksmen after all

[broken spade]

very borderline

[elfin orchid]

to screw empowered assail players

[formal hamlet]

Probably just so we can still ping them maybe? Assuming only specials can be pinged, probably not.

[slow spade]

true

[broken spade]

elites can be pinged

[slow spade]

you can ping every elite and special

[tame lodge]

Dodge or die but long range

[broken spade]

make them elite to nerf tac awareness

[tame lodge]

I had this one sniper on a nasty angle

[broken spade]

millions of vets will then reviewbomb the game for nerfing them

game dies

good ending

[formal hamlet]

I literally ducked a sniper shot last night, which I didn't know I could do. I've side-dodged them before, but I was completely surrounded by a horde and had no space to dodge, so I just crouched last second and prayed and it worked.

[pallid harbor]

What ranged weapons are great for stealth vets?

[sonic grove]

In my experience, just about anything works as long as it’s not super slow.

So no bolter and no plasma.

[broken spade]

yeah i don't think there are any specific synergies with it

good weapons on vet are also good weapons on stealth vet for the most part

[hollow ibex]

bolter and plasma would be fine too tbh

you can really just play whatever you want

[slow spade]

you can even use bolter and plasma because you have the time to pull them out

if you feel rushed on stealth, you probablyfucked up UwU

[broken spade]

yeah the only thing i can think of is if your gun relies on exec for a breakpoint, it might work better there instead of stealth.

but I can't think of anything where it would break the build

[tame lodge]

Shotgun
What else says I'm in your face better than a shotgun

[broken spade]

should all just work

[sonic grove]

Which mark of the tactical axe is best for getting head hits via spamming light attacks?

Seems like mark 2

[hollow ibex]

that sounds like a job for rashad rather than tac axes lol

[ember basin]

is it just me

or now poxwalker horde harder to kill?

just me right?

[tawdry jackal]

I think it’s time for me to stealth vet and get that drip

[full nacelle]

the braced infantry autoguns are great with stealth vet since you generally want to play closer up

gives you tons of suppression, the ability to easily reposition and hose down the backline, lets you spray without a care with Low Profile, and an easy safety button whenever things get scary

also pretty good with a bolt bistol bombadier build since you can reposition if things get too crazy and throw grenades without attracting attention

besides those two, it's mostly for melee focused Weapon Specialist + Revolver builds

[verbal burrow]

Switch to borderless windowed mode

Keep in mind that most things are subjective

Heresy

[hollow ibex]

nah YTers are constantly wrong and spewing out misinformed bullshit and pretending they're an authority on the subject

[tame lodge]

Check your weapon

Walkers are disgustingly_resilient for a reason

[full nacelle]

I say this as someone who is about to start making Darktide build videos... a large portion of Darktide build videos either have misinformation or lack synergy with talents

[verbal burrow]

You forgot Slayer in Vermintide 2

[full nacelle]

Or are Tanner Lindberg who will berate you for not taking a node that would make you 1% stronger even though you enjoy it less

[verbal burrow]

Twin-linked

Plasma fodder

They shoot really hard

[full nacelle]

Tanner is a funkiller. Mr. E doesn't know Psyker builds and talents very well. AsianRobot... Well his builds were usually always bad but then he'd put "OP!" or "CRAZY DAMAGE" in the thumbnail...

[lavish token]

Mister E doesn't know the game yet acts like an autority figure. just like realasianrobot

[verbal burrow]

Positivism and/or arbitrary categorization

[lavish token]

At least Tanner is mechanically skilled, Engee really isn't

[full nacelle]

I like Mr. E! He's a nice chill guy. He definitely isn't an authority figure when it comes to the game's mechanics though. His Psyker video was really bad.

[lavish token]

His zealot videos are equally sub par

[verbal burrow]

Clutch as fuck

[full nacelle]

Ah I didn't watch his Zealot one... Seems like he gets stuck thinking one way without properly testing and playing other playstyles. I made similar assumptions about Psyker but that was when I was under level 30.

You'd think after 80 additional levels he would take the time to try other stuff out before making a "meta guide" video

[verbal burrow]

Just you

[full nacelle]

still like the guy, but it was a really bad call

[verbal burrow]

Ye

[full nacelle]

I intend to make build videos that are thematic, fun, and strong but you're not going to see me saying they're optimized to perfection or set in stone

[pallid harbor]

Do I pick the zarona for more damage or the agri for the reload you think?

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

[verbal burrow]

Zarona for the iron sights tbh

[full nacelle]

if you're running Weapon Specialist you want the Zarona. Weapon Specialist reloads your revolver for you while you melee it out.

[dawn flare]

whats a good veteran build that let's me switch between a bolter and lasgun for firearm , melee is devil claw sword

[pallid harbor]

This is fair, I was working towards weapon specialist anyways. Enjoyed the zarona alot when I was on my zealot so figured why not try it on the class with a weapon swap skill lol

[pallid harbor]

So at max stacks it gives me back like 3 bullets? In my mag?

[full nacelle]

Yeah Zarona is the ultimate melee build sidearm

[verbal burrow]

I personally appreciate some of its aspects like the quick draw and high alpha, but I don’t like its inability to penetrate cover and the low total ammo capacity

[full nacelle]

Yes, or at 1 stack it gives you 1 free revolver round... if you're at 3 stacks it's a guaranteed crit... which means you can fight in melee, snipe a special, fight in melee, snipe a special, over and over and keep benefitting from WS

[verbal burrow]

It feels like a veteran should not have such a short attention span that they prefer a Zarona over a Plasma Gun or a Bolter

[pallid harbor]

That's exactly what I did on my zealot so just more efficient here I guess lol. And I can always stealth in a bad ways

[verbal burrow]

Feels more like an “I am only going to pull out my ranged weapon if I see a special because I play a melee zealot” kind of weapon

[pallid harbor]

Now real question is knife, heavy sword, or dueling sword lol

[verbal burrow]

On Guard?

[full nacelle]

Yep! WS melee vet is probably the best build in the game when played optimally.

At least up there with the best

[verbal burrow]

And you get to listen to Camouflage by Sabaton

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/new-song-old-jam-gif-5046843

[tall torrent]

It’s good
It’s just not staff m1 psyker good

[thorn plinth]

That's what I do already, except with Bolt Pistol instead of Zarona

Usually get 400k+ and sometimes 500k+ damage on auric heresy, most elites and specials killed, and most boss damage

Frontline Squad Leader Vet with DS4 is fun

Using Iron Will, Duty and Honour, Out for Blood and Confirmed Kill, you just don't take damage while Duty and Honour is up unless you're getting your cheeks clapped

[terse idol]

Imo waayy too many talent on the top treeee

[ocean idol]

what is boss melting recon build?

[verbal burrow]

That’s basically the brittleness talent and the incendiary blessing

[trim steppe]

Mk12 with onslaught and Infernus blessing

[sonic grove]

You can put brutal momentum on them now

Which is the only thing that makes the combat axe worth using

So it probably makes the tac axes worth using too

(I’ve tested it, it does)

[hollow ibex]

yeah but regardless of how you build them, you're not going to get anywhere near rashad dps with light spam

[sonic grove]

Can the rashad get agile engagement? Or whatever the blessing that refreshes your dodge effectiveness is called

[trim steppe]

Tac axes are a bit better at stun locking targets than the combat axes, but worse at horde clearing

[sonic grove]

Because THAT’S the real winner for me, the damage from brutal momentum is just a nice bonus

[jolly depot]

hi! relatively new player here. just trying to understand how On Overwatch is supposed to work. does it mean not getting hit in melee at all, or just not getting meleed while out of toughness?

[trim steppe]

You can't take any health damage from a melee hit. If you take a hit at full toughness, it won't deal any HP damage so you can still get the penance

But 1hp lost from melee means you gotta try again

[sonic grove]

As an aside I just find the tac axes way more satisfying to use

[frank monolith]

Dont take any white dmg

Be it barrels barrel flames or a BoN puddle

[tame lodge]

Rashad can't get agile
But like
Agile is a very very very optional blessing
With that being said
Spam taxe to your wrists content

[sonic grove]

Those count as melee damage?

[frank monolith]

Erm i think so

[sonic grove]

I love it to death on my dodge focused melee vet build

[verbal burrow]

What I would like for Veteran is a melee weapon with a blessing(s) that restores toughness. For no selfish reasons in particular.

[sonic grove]

Like that + duck and dive

[jolly depot]

...the DoT count. oh god(Emperor) that explains so much

[sonic grove]

NEVER STOP DODGING

[trim steppe]

I think fire counts as melee for some reason. I can't remember if barrels and slime to do. Best to just avoid it all anyway

[frank monolith]

All i rmb is that any chip dmg = i didnt get it

[sonic grove]

Just run out for blood and the weapon expert talent that restores toughness

[verbal burrow]

Weapon Expert?

[slow spade]

Out for Blood makes it so you get +10% toughness per melee kill

[sonic grove]

Yes the capstone ability on the right tree

[slow spade]

very powerful

[sonic grove]

When you swap weapons with stacks of expertise it restores 20% toughness

With a 3s cooldown

[verbal burrow]

I started out as a right side of the talent tree type of guy when I could still shoot straight, then moved on to the middle side of the talent tree because I realized that I would always have to hard carry the team. Never really looked into the right side of the tree yet.

[sonic grove]

The right tree can hard carry

Speaking from experience on that one

The biggest threat is running out of ammo

[hollow ibex]

right side with parts of the center is definitely super strong

[slow spade]

Left side nodes are on the weaker end but Frag Grenades and Survivalist are very strong

[hollow ibex]

surv is meh now, only needed for a few weapons

[slow spade]

oh idk why I thought you were talking about Left

[slow spade]

still strong

its just not "necessary" anymore

[verbal burrow]

It depends on how ammo hungry your team is.

[trim steppe]

Right side is probably strongest part of vet tree, then middle, then left is weakest overall. Some exceptions such as VOC being strongest ability and things like precision strikes being very strong on lots of builds

[sonic grove]

I love precision strikes

Makes the revolver hit even harder

[verbal burrow]

If we have more than 1 vet in the team I appreciate it when the second guy goes Survivalist, since auras don’t stack

[slow spade]

I miss when Scavenger (bot aura) could stack with Survivalist

made them a lot more useful

[verbal burrow]

(They never do)

[trim steppe]

Yeah the movement speed aura is probably best, then survivalist, then fire team

[thorn plinth]

Agile on DS4, literally never stop dodging as long as you hit heads

[slow spade]

Speed aura + the 5% speed node + the +20% speed when rescueing someone node UwU

queue with a knife zealot for perma +30% speed UwU

[trim steppe]

But regardless, auras on vet are just whatever costs you the least points in your build

[hollow ibex]

this is the way

it isn't really worth going fucking up pathing to go for a specific aura on most builds now

[slow spade]

I wish the speed aura was easier to get for Exec stance

I feel like I could be better if I could reposition faster

[slow spade]

not getting blasted for not packing Survivalist? This isn't the Darktide I know

[sonic grove]

What’s DS4 again

[thorn plinth]

Dueling Sword Mk4

[slow spade]

Dueling Sword 4

its pretty confusing at times with the Devil Claw

but then you remember no one is talking about Devil Claw

[hollow ibex]

pre surv nerf, i prob would've blasted people for not taking surv. but definitely not anymore.

[sonic grove]

I am married to whichever mark of the dueling sword only does single target thrusts for its heavy attacks

[thorn plinth]

Mk4

[sonic grove]

No better way to feel like a badass than taking down 5 crushers because they simply cannot hit you

[slow spade]

to think it was heavily nerfed twice (no more rounding up and cooldown) but still a strong pick

[thorn plinth]

Being the Commissar that leads by example is based

[trim steppe]

Survivalist went from the strongest aura in the game by like 10x, to just some mid tier aura after it's nerf

[slow spade]

clearly Fatshark needs to revert both nerfs

no cooldown and it rounds up ammo (4% ammo regain RUmbler) UwU

[trim steppe]

Before nerf it was like, do you want 5% more damage or do you want infinite ammo for all 4 players? Now it just gives everyone like 1 free small pack per mission. Fine but not worth spending 2-3 extra points to path over to in your build

[slow spade]

but that means I have to make choices :c

why can't Fatshark railroad my build 😔

[trim steppe]

No, you just decide on your build and then take the aura that's on the way

[slow spade]

was joking :p

I should UwU more

[earnest bone]

to still the top aura, cmon, look at the loner

[slow spade]

sorry we're all psykers here

we just rp as Vets

Survivalist is pretty shit

[earnest bone]

damn aristocrats

https://tenor.com/view/judgemental-aristocrat-volturi-gif-23598881

[slow spade]

on my Exec stance with Vraks, it does feel bad having survivalist aura and queueing with 3 psykers though :p

it is what it is though

[trim steppe]

Hopefully they be gunkers

[slow spade]

true :p

[trim steppe]

JK all psykers are mb1 staff psykers now

[slow spade]

thankfully I mostly deal with trauma psykers

[idle swallow]

no respect for voidstrike bowling anymore

[slow spade]

yeah I don't see many voidstrikes anymore

even in non-aurics

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s still quite a lot of ammo
It’s just not necessary for most builds

[hearty panther]

yea survivalist is still 100% of your ammo back over a round

[terse idol]

I will preface to say, you do stagger ragers with your PA on a rashad

[trim steppe]

True, Rashad is still without weakness

[slow spade]

I remember pre-Unlocked and Loaded

"man Rashad Heavies do very poor damage to maniac"

boom something stupid like +50% damage to maniac on heavies for Rashad

wouldn't want Rashad to be bad or anything UwU

[spark helm]

Figuring out what to level up next. I'm thinking combat axes and helbore lasguns.

[slow spade]

I mean Rashad Combat Axe is right there

might as well

[spark helm]

Pretty easy choice. I never tried the other combat axes back in the day, Rashad just happened to be good.

[tame lodge]

Go for the Helbore 4

[spark helm]

Which bayonet is that again?

[tame lodge]

If you ain't hitting hard

[spark helm]

Thrust or slash?

[tame lodge]

Slash

If you ain't overkilling
There's no reason to play Helbore

[spark helm]

I just play what I play honestly. Helbore is a fun gun to an end.

[tame lodge]

3 something is the middle one

5 is the fast

Both stabby stabby

https://tenor.com/view/generalgory-waterloo-napoleon-napoleonic-roblox-gif-20732044

[spark helm]

Got helbore lasgun, combat shotgun, spearhead boltgun, and plasma gun left for ranged.

Combat axes, assault chainaxe and shock maul for melee.

[sly dock]

hey, whats the dump stat for plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t have one

It wants a very specific distribution

[sly dock]

how does this distribution look like?

[bleak cradle]

71 charge rate. 69 thermal res

In the sense of having above those

Honestly, “dumping” ammo would be the safest.

[terse idol]

Also need max damage numbies

[spark helm]

Tactical Axe + DBSG is great.

[errant spoke]

Is the tactical axe the bigger one? Or am I mixing it with the combat axe?

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe is the big ones

Tactical are the carpal tunnel simulator ones

[errant spoke]

Ohh, thank you!

[ocean idol]

I am trying laspistol build again

anmd it feels ass

It used to be one of my fav builds

[lavish token]

He speaks as an authority, yet cannot build the easiest class to build

[hearty panther]

make your own videos then lmao

dude just presents information without being a brackish cunt, you can voice disagreements but he's still doing much more than just making snipes in a subchannel of a discord

[tawdry jackal]

Hey let’s become YouTubers guys

[tame lodge]

If I would make videos it would be the equivalent to the Eye of Terror opening up

[tawdry jackal]

@tall torrent hey let’s become YouTube gaming gurus and shit

[tall torrent]

Wat

U want me to make veteran breakdown video?

[tawdry jackal]

Clearly the scrubs already there are grifting the n00bs, I’ll talk mad shit and get a chalkboard and all you gotta do is say “see my guide in the description below” and “like, comment, subscribe” before and after I say some shit

[tall torrent]

I’m too lazy for that

[tawdry jackal]

And also sell preworkout to the teens

Tell em it’s so they can get through auric damnations easier

Fast twitch muscle enhancers

[slow spade]

sell Darktide builds UwU

[tall torrent]

Why do they need to get through auric damnation

Trial by fire

[tawdry jackal]

Idk

[slow spade]

10 USD for a non-dogshit build

[tawdry jackal]

Why do they?

Idk I’m just bullshitting y’all

[tall torrent]

Besides

If I make a veteran talent breakdown

[tawdry jackal]

It just boggles my mind to know if I didn’t find this channel, I’d be playing shit tier builds

[tall torrent]

That’s just gonna open up room for people to tell me “I don’t know jack shit”

Maybe Tanner? lol

[slow spade]

same

[tall torrent]

And I’m just not in for that

[slow spade]

Hammer is in it for the money 😎

[hearty panther]

pretty much

[tawdry jackal]

No it’s ok. All you gotta do is have a FAQ in the guide and call them a fucking smooth brained motherfucker once, 20 different ways. Done

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tawdry jackal]

Dumb question. Real ass Answer

[tall torrent]

I’m too lazy

[tawdry jackal]

I feel ya

[lavish token]

upload duos

[tawdry jackal]

Also do I even wanna know who tanner is?

[tall torrent]

I haven’t been playing duos much cuz my friends have just been doing weapon mastery

[tall torrent]

No

[tawdry jackal]

That’s what I thought

[hearty panther]

ill take ten Mr E's over tanner any day

[tawdry jackal]

Also I got three 30 level chars finally

Time to do ZEALOT

lmfao

[hearty panther]

zealot last?? heresy

[tawdry jackal]

I don’t even know what I’m gonna build there

[tall torrent]

I think misinformation is bad so pretty much all of these yters are bad in my eyes

[hearty panther]

throwing knives

[tall torrent]

Telopots has some good info (even if not all correct)

[lavish token]

sub to me and agentchaos

hehehe

[hearty panther]

telopots is a fucken moron for different reasons

[tall torrent]

I just happen to be usually right because I fact check

[hearty panther]

the reality is that you cant make a concise and exhaustive video, you can only do one or the other. and you still wont cover every conceivable possibility

[lavish token]

The boys need to pull a new shit idea out of our asses

[hearty panther]

so all i ask is taht you arent some shitty egotistical fuck

[full nacelle]

Das me! Lets do it

[deft crystal]

THIS MF

IS TO BLAME FOR ALL MY MISSED SOUND CUES

[tall torrent]

I think

[tall torrent]

If you were gonna watch a “veteran talent breakdown video” for an hour

[deft crystal]

THIS MF

[tall torrent]

U might as well open my guide and see my talent ratings

It’s like

8 clicks total

[hearty panther]

if someone genuinely asked me what to do

[deft crystal]

"we made sure u can hear the poxburster so u have time to shoot them"

[hearty panther]

i would not refer to your guide, or a video

[deft crystal]

NO YOU DIDNT

[hearty panther]

id tell them to just go in the fucken psykhanium lmao

and then after they exhaust that shit and have questions left over

then id point at your guide

otherwise its just a complete overload of information with no solid context

[tall torrent]

My guide is actually the concise version

[red robin]

Helping new players be like

[deft crystal]

Garbage!!

Let them LEARN

[full nacelle]

There are too many moving parts to put into one video or guide

[lavish token]

My zealot v1 was 288 pageds

[hearty panther]

helping new players is like watching a three year old draw with crayons and you're taking it way too seriously

[tall torrent]

I do believe in trial by fire tho

[deft crystal]

(i love ur guides)

[tall torrent]

If you’re not good, run duo private until ur good

[deft crystal]

But my god I wish I had some of those small pockets of info

[hearty panther]

"okay peyton now draw a sun ... a sun ... I said a SUN Peyton, the Sun doesn't live on the ground! put it up high! okay ... the Sun is fucking CIRCLE, PEYTON"

[deft crystal]

that arent available unless u have someone tell u

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s a crazy effort to condense

[full nacelle]

Yeah the vet guide has been great for me in helping me make my 20 different vet builds

[red robin]

I never knew so many tiny details that make huge differences

Such as dodge sliding

[full nacelle]

Just wrote the first script for my first vod

[red robin]

Awesome man

[deft crystal]

Dont forget you can also extend your heavy attack with knife by spamming 1

[hearty panther]

"Hey dingdongs its ya boi Luke here"

[red robin]

I gotta start doing things like that

[full nacelle]

This guy knows

[deft crystal]

this works with any weapon

[red robin]

Writing scripts for fun

I’d make videos for darktide but man, I have the horrible habit of going non-verbal when I’m hyper focusing on darktide

[full nacelle]

Theeenks

[red robin]

Always happy to encourage people to be creative and enjoy themselves

[tame lodge]

Fine
I'll start posting shorts about builds

[red robin]

Life is too short to be the type to shoot others down

[hearty panther]

ye streaming darktide was fun, but

[slow spade]

says you, I'm still shooting heretics UwU

[hearty panther]

i am not a particularly chatty gamer

[tame lodge]

Wonder how many friendly insults I can pack in a minute

[lavish token]

i will be 100 of them

[red robin]

When’s next update?

Like nov December?

Estimation date?

[full nacelle]

I have never played Darktide with coms. Darktide while commentating sounds scawy.

[tall torrent]

End of year prob

[red robin]

I’ve been getting into the habit of using comms

[tall torrent]

Live commentary is hard

VOD commentary is less hard

[full nacelle]

Come on autopistol buffs

[hearty panther]

seriously though, its really hard

[full nacelle]

Trueee

[red robin]

Just let your team know important things like removing net and staggering dogs are easy to do

Woops freudian slip

[hearty panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is1rpZeTiBg

listen to all the hot commentary i made during this live clutch

[full nacelle]

Took me forever to learn to yap while streaming

[hearty panther]

spoiler alert: i barely fucken talked because i was too focused

[red robin]

Literally all it is

Yap ya shit

People will find it endearing

Most streams are just parasocial relationships with a personality

But honestly I respect that you’re script writing

I had to do a Freeform assignment for one of my university classes and did a video essay

[full nacelle]

I enjoy writing and I LOVE build crafting

[red robin]

Trueee

[full nacelle]

Got to make a job out of this... I'm a brokeass

[cyan anchor]

This good?

[full nacelle]

Video essays were fun. Presentations had me sweating bullets.

[tall torrent]

Stat distribution is fine, ideally first target wants 80
Perks & blessings need to be changed

Carapace + elite/unarmored
brutal momentum + headtaker

[full nacelle]

Every Rashad is perfect in its own special way

But yeah listen to them

[red robin]

Lmao, I autistically stole language habits from Saul Goodman

I go into presentations with the mindset that I am selling something

[full nacelle]

Thats actually genius though lol

[red robin]

Works for me and people tell me I’m good at presenting

[full nacelle]

Damn right

[red robin]

Despite me being terrified and exhausted afterwards

[full nacelle]

Learned from the best

[tall torrent]

@hearty panther I’m debating if I should add a new section of just “reload cancel tricks”

[full nacelle]

I used to have to face away from the class in high school

I get it haha

[red robin]

Yes, plasma is the only one I know of

[tall torrent]

There’s more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1299199528263614584/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.24_-_22.27.54.02.mp4?ex=671c5559&is=671b03d9&hm=a4b506d7e79dc0aead2aa3f41e884c358da00570afbe4ec9c59d454f27bb3f1e&

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/but-wait-gif-6435217382120832854

[tall torrent]

U can get consistent 1s reloads for recon lasguns

[hearty panther]

there's so few that matter for reload tech

[tall torrent]

Yea

[hearty panther]

revolver is the only other one i can think of

zarona specifically ofc

[tall torrent]

What does Zarona reload cancel look like

[hearty panther]

which is just ... the ammo count goes up way before you actually visually insert a round into the chamber

thats all, lmao

thats really it, thats the list

[cyan anchor]

I swear brunt hates me he gives me like 2 dmg weapons

[hearty panther]

the only other really good reload cancel is the grenade gauntlet

but thats not veteran related

[full nacelle]

I'm glad reload techs aren't strong

I am far too lazy to do them

[hearty panther]

theyre very strong

[full nacelle]

Shit

[hearty panther]

lmao

[full nacelle]

Uninstalling

[hearty panther]

i couldnt imagine sitting through a full bolter reload ever again

[full nacelle]

Just take both reload talents

[hearty panther]

no

[tall torrent]

4 point cost is crazy

[trim steppe]

Say more right now

[obsidian mesa]

Blessings and perks for stub rev?

[full nacelle]

Is it though? Is it?

It is

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + maniac
Hand-cannon + surgical/crucian roulette/point blank

[obsidian mesa]

Thanks

[hearty panther]

sprint cancel when you drop the cartridge (??? Idk wtf to call the ammo parts for the GG) and sprint cancel again when a new one is put in

[trim steppe]

Hah, I guess all of the reload cancels are truly the same: Sprint when the cartridge goes in or out.

[last cloak]

autistic guy, he means well but gets hard bullied cus he has a hard time self wrangling

[hearty panther]

well the entire gimmick is basically abusing the tiered reload system of the game

so it has to be during moments where the game itself is already dividing up your reload into segments

[tall torrent]

The most impactful ones by far imo are recon & plasma

Boltgun is uh
U get some time off
I’m kinda too lazy for it tho

[hearty panther]

i get to keep xstance with it so

[tall torrent]

I’ll just run OM + Tac reload

[umbral scaffold]

I hope they do something for halloween...

Or anything

[terse idol]

I don't think tanner gets bullied but like his personality issss abrasive

[pseudo fiber]

They're not

[tall torrent]

He definitely does not mean well lol

[last cloak]

ive seen people here say they hate him and make death threats

[umbral scaffold]

Ive also seen that

[last cloak]

i think its cus he says some things that are pretty uncool a lot but like i said i dont think he ever means bad

[trim steppe]

Welcome to the internet, reach a large enough audience and you'll piss off the chronic miserables

[last cloak]

he just doesnt have a filter cus hes autistic

[pseudo fiber]

#general-chat message

[umbral scaffold]

He has zero filter

Its a bit sad for them

[umbral scaffold]

Damn again? Wow

[hearty panther]

its not the lack of filter necessarily

i mean he does lack it but

its what said non-filter isnt filtering lmao

and outside of that he still strikes me as a very thin skinned human being who is way too easily riled and far too sensitive to be reading comments on the internet

[umbral scaffold]

Twinks of all sorts tend to be like that yes

[terse idol]

You can also be autistic and still have a filter

Like ahhhh

Its not an excuse

[umbral scaffold]

Reading comments is like staring at the sun

[languid estuary]

yeah the racist stuff he said in his yt community posts was definitely not a "i don't have a filter" thing

[umbral scaffold]

Thats the would be the only thing i dont like about him tbh

[languid estuary]

his discord(s) have also been pretty disgusting wrt that too but it seems like he might be trying to grow a little now

[tawdry jackal]

ahh here we are

yeah thats not autism thats being shitty. Im autistic, diagnosed and everything

i dont use it as a cover story

[lavish token]

tanners basics are better than most other creators, everything else is ruined by exclusive usage of the knife

[tall torrent]

He knows more than most others
He also happens to be still wrong pretty often

[umbral scaffold]

His recent video of shit talking a psyker video is alright tbh

[lavish token]

Engee is a bad creator

[last cloak]

yeah i wish he wouldnt cus its kinda true. Which is why i think he does mean well, it'd be weird for him to be intentionally inflammatory and then recoil when people respond to it

[languid estuary]

what's the latest boldly-wrong thing he's said

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah i figured when ge said psyker bliztes were bad

[orchid hemlock]

for some reason he is very specifically sinophobic

Like I don't know why

[tall torrent]

I don’t watch his latest but he was wrong on a lot of things
He had an hour-long veteran talent breakdown video where he completely missed the mark on several talents, including misunderstanding how Focus Target works

[umbral scaffold]

Focus target is ass tbh

[broken spade]

most recent thing i remember is him saying that psykinetic aura works off anyone's kill in the tier list video

[hearty panther]

because he's terminally online

[lavish token]

Engee and both state their opinion as objective fact

[umbral scaffold]

Almost forget to use it sometimes when in the thick of it

[broken spade]

and him also saying agile engagement is trash in that same video

[languid estuary]

he's just racist, he's said a lot of things about other demos too (mostly islamophobic shit)

[tall torrent]

I think it’s ok to be wrong, generally
But to not fact check before making a “comprehensive breakdown” crosses my ideals a bit

[orchid hemlock]

tru but the amount of Chinese jokes he makes is weird

[hearty panther]

@trim steppe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz1Z7wA9_ls

[tall torrent]

No offense but that sounds more like a you problem than a talent problem

[umbral scaffold]

I have bad memory

[languid estuary]

it's because he's a gacha degen that cosplays genshin characters

[latent patrol]

gross

[umbral scaffold]

I just dont remember to use focus target on everything plus im already trained to NOT spam ping

[broken spade]

I feel like a lot of his problems with getting stuff wrong are also just from him not scripting or editing anything

[terse idol]

He just likes that stuff that's okay

[orchid hemlock]

I dont know if he is into gachas, Venti is a very famous "femboy" and he himself being one probably just dressed up as him for retrospective 🤷🏻

[languid estuary]

are there any creators you'd suggest to people that fill a similar niche or is that part of why he's so "ubiquitous"

[last cloak]

i think thats just part of having no filter. maybe im self reporting but im pretty sure these thoughts always flicker in your head if ur online enough. difference is most people have the filter to not bring it up and riddle off the first thing they think of

[broken spade]

the videos are just 2 hour rants

with no cuts or anything

[orchid hemlock]

even from a content creator standpoint, his editing is ass

[lavish token]

refer to the tierlist

[umbral scaffold]

Nah
Youre good. I understand

Its what you act on and stand by that matters and how you interact

[tall torrent]

I think if you want solid information (at least for veteran), u should read my guide, not any of these yters

[languid estuary]

nah sorry, as someone who used to be Like That™️ it's definitely possible to deprogram if you start being more conscious about what you're thinking/saying. it's exhausting but you can definitely do it

[tall torrent]

There’re multiple great sources of info

[umbral scaffold]

Not just words popping in your head

[junior needle]

Yeah youtube is filled with clickbait garbage because the nature of the platform literally encourages you to do it

[last cloak]

i think hes actively trying to do that

[languid estuary]

did cookiesandmilk stop making darktide videos

[lavish token]

Who?

[orchid hemlock]

milkandcookiesTW isn't really a Darktide player

[languid estuary]

oh he must've stopped playing

[umbral scaffold]

With dn

[languid estuary]

recently discovered telepots, dude is cracked

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/@milkandcookiesTW/videos

[tall torrent]

Kuli has some pretty great detailed guides

Again, if u just want good info, guides are better

[lavish token]

Kuli’s guides are objective

[orchid hemlock]

he is a warhammer CC but not specifcally a Darktide guide

[hearty panther]

god why does the GG melee have the absolute fucken best ragdolls in th egame

[broken spade]

i'm still amazed people bother though
game barely has an audience

[umbral scaffold]

A guide should be just that to guide, not arbitral

[broken spade]

if you're trying to clickbait for views, a barely alive game is not the topic you'd want to pick

[languid estuary]

i thought kuli was still mostly doing v2 cata3

[orchid hemlock]

the issue is that because the game has a small playerbase, there is less scrutiny for corrections in optimization

also Fatshark rarely gives us informaiton in the first place

[umbral scaffold]

^

God

[latent patrol]

Any of the A-tiers make decent guides?

[tall torrent]

What guide do u want

[junior needle]

Some people only play darktide anyway and don't have much choice

[umbral scaffold]

Spotter key stone over weapon specialist

[junior needle]

Don't think any of the best guides are made by youtubers

[orchid hemlock]

At least in a game like League, all information is provided to you and all the data of win rates, gold difference, k/d ratio, ect.... Is all publicly accessible

[lavish token]

Jsat pulled some really good data early on

[languid estuary]

people still peddle dogshit builds in league even in grandmaster

[junior needle]

He did, true

[languid estuary]

few people actually theorycraft for the game

[broken spade]

jsat was one of the few darktide yt channels i've watched but he barely uploaded

[languid estuary]

the people that do are feelscrafting

[lavish token]

If I was to post my win loss rates people would call me an egotistical dick

[junior needle]

But the future is now

[latent patrol]

Specific Weapon guides mostly I guess

[tall torrent]

Which weapon

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly wish that the full stats of every match was stored in some kind of database 😔

[latent patrol]

Mostly just looking for stuff I can utilize while testing out different weapons, get an idea of what attacks are good etc

I guess individual would be a better word for it than specific

[tall torrent]

Look at my guide then

[orchid hemlock]

Statistics provide continuity, but it's still people's job to anaylize the data correctly for their benefit. The builds you see on average are not optimized for ever single match, but it gives u a baseline of what patterns seem to occur in specific champions and what items are better than others.

[tall torrent]

100 pages

[orchid hemlock]

Reading 😔

[tall torrent]

I actually have fairly detailed pages for every single veteran-available weapon

[lavish token]

Mine will be much more simple

Don’t use dclaw 1 for instance

[orchid hemlock]

zealot guide:

here are the three trees

thats it

[latent patrol]

I've looked at it, it's pretty comprehensive for ranged (excluding maybe crit performance), and the melee weapons have the best combos, but I guess I'm looking for move breakdowns

[languid estuary]

do you have to save copies to get the clickies to work on onedrive like you do with gdocs

[tall torrent]

If u want we can take this to dm/vc and I can explain further

[languid estuary]

ah they're working now

dunno why they weren't before

[tall torrent]

Open in MS word for best navigation experience

[lavish token]

I will not force myself into putting immos on a build because the pathing to reach fucking second wind is insanely costly

[tall torrent]

Ya I mean
Zealot has like 1 build
Throwing knife -> benediction -> FotF -> sustained assault
Every good zealot build is just a variation of that

[latent patrol]

Nah, it's fine, I don't want to take up your time, and I'm gonna be pretty busy in the upcoming weeks anyways with work and Wilds demo, so not much time for Darktide

[tall torrent]

I got time rn

[lavish token]

What’s build variation

[latent patrol]

I appreciate it, but I'll abstain until I can put some real time in, there's still enough for me to learn before I can ask proper questions.

[tall torrent]

Desperation - optional
Grievous wounds - optional
Crit CDR - optional
Stuff like that ig

[languid estuary]

huh i never actually considered using ghost on vigilant before

does anyone know if mods are borked since the update

i saw dmf hasn't been updated since july

[broken spade]

been using mods the entire time

[languid estuary]

word

[hearty panther]

@tall torrent yea that autogun reload tech is like

borderline useless lmao

i can execute it reliably ... in the psykhanium

[tall torrent]

It’s too hard to pull off to be worth going for normally

[hearty panther]

but you cant switch off your gun

so you cant even bank it

[tall torrent]

No u can

It’s just

Really tight timing

[hearty panther]

when i swap back it auto reloads it

like ill do it

the cancel i mean

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s timing half-off

[hearty panther]

fire off some rounds

swap back and it just auto reloads it

[broken spade]

as much as i appreciate documentation, i don't really think it's worth documenting every single reload tech

[hearty panther]

best case scenario is you know youre gonna be shooting for a while with xstance and you queue it up

[broken spade]

i think the ones that matter can be discovered pretty naturally from playing once you tell someone that it's possible

[hearty panther]

do your reload, break it at the end, then press F, you have two mags to fire

but the moment you swap off its fucked

and if you miss your timing you dont get a second chance to do it either

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s generally not worth

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx9f-dFNHi8

[hearty panther]

well

[orchid hemlock]

oh no

[hearty panther]

not all bad i suppose

if you pull it off and swap off you can at least guarantee youll always draw it again with full ammo

and its not any longer to complete the reload compared to normal draw time

... that's about all i can think of

[wet ether]

so let me get this straight infiltrate allows me to dive?

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate + low profile, u can dive backline

But

Outside of obj

At least in a normal team context

[full nacelle]

LMAOOOO here we go

https://tenor.com/view/birdman-hand-rub-rapper-hands-gif-24908886

[tall torrent]

Exe stance kind of just kills them for u without having to put urself behind enemy lines

[broken spade]

the real gamers dive without infiltrate

[orchid hemlock]

this is beyond parody

[full nacelle]

they're kind of cute together ngl

[hearty panther]

the benefit for infiltrate is the area stagger/suppression when you uncloak

but you deffo don't need invisibility to reach a backline

all u need is GUMPTION

[wet ether]

well guess if i'm gonna backline dive i'd better take catch a breath

[hearty panther]

and a gun

[full nacelle]

the amount of people who think infiltrate is just an invisible button

breaks my heart

[tall torrent]

Nah, it wouldn’t be active much

[full nacelle]

it's also a very festive Halloween button... You pop out like a ghoul and everything gets spooked

[wet ether]

to bad i'm taking catch a breath anyways

[orchid hemlock]

what am I doing with my life 😔

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty awkward pathing from survivalist to infiltrate most of the time

[full nacelle]

ok but why are smoke grenades on the opposite side from the "outline all enemies in smoke" ability?

someone at fartshart's about to get a big lip

[broken spade]

i have a build where i get smoke and infiltrate to save 1 point
no it is not worth it but i like having a build that feels different

smoke on the same build as infiltrate is kinda cursed
why did they make the tree like this?

[wet ether]

well kark it this is what i've gone with

[full nacelle]

I think I go smoke/infiltrate on most of my melee vet builds

shout/melee is busted and less fun

[broken spade]

kinda true

need to take dogshit to feel alive

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-yawn-dont-care-bored-gif-14699324

[full nacelle]

it's the only way I feel anymore

[wet ether]

boring

[full nacelle]

by playing my support autopistol build

https://tenor.com/view/chow-yun-fat-smoking-money-burn-hongkong-gif-13603017

[nimble hazel]

Smoke should be on the left, frags in the center, and kraks on the right.

I will not accept questions.

[full nacelle]

Why?

[broken spade]

you will smoke the enemies that cannot see you and you will like it

[hearty panther]

swap xstance and voc positions

watch the world burn

[full nacelle]

get rid of Voice of Command

game becomes 3x harder

[tall torrent]

That’d change like
Almost nothing? For most builds

[hearty panther]

yea but now u gotta pick between killzone and opening salvo on ur way into VoC

and you have to click a 5% reload node too

its about psychological pain

[nimble hazel]

Smoke grenades thematically belong to the marksman tree, so that they can both counter gunners and provide anti-gunner support to the team.

Frags fit center tree as a generalist "clear idiots off of your friends" grenade.

Kraks fit right tree's assassin/spec-ops theming.

[wet ether]

Would prefer the removal of VOC but that’s just me

[tall torrent]

Actually no it’d make melee veteran worse

[broken spade]

gameplay-wise it just makes no sense to blind people when you can turn invisble

[nimble hazel]

Yeah that too

[broken spade]

even if smokes were good (i hate them), using them both makes negative sense

[wet ether]

Semi transparent actually

I probably spelt that wrong

[nimble hazel]

With the braincells the dregs and scabs don't have, anything short of opaque might as well be invisible to them.

[hearty panther]

so long as you never stop farting, they wont realize you arent one of them

[nimble hazel]

Shit, is that why right side has smokes? To emulate the farts?

[full nacelle]

Oh I was just screwing with your "take no questions" attitude

[nimble hazel]

I figured but I did want to provide an explanation despite the statement lmao

[hearty panther]

"this is what it's like to chew five gum"
-literal shit grenade-

[full nacelle]

So you DO take questions you heretic

[nimble hazel]

I can't be a heretic, I stack corruption resistance

[full nacelle]

Oh. Based.

[wet ether]

I bet ya there are Plague Marines on atoma

[nimble hazel]

I could see a handful coordinating things, yeah

[low vault]

What blessings do you guys like on the bolt gun? I usually use it with shout for sniping as well as magdumping bosses/elite patrols

[tall torrent]

Pinning fire + puncture/surgical
play exe stance

[low vault]

Executioner stance 🤮

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=671d2b5f&is=671bd9df&hm=1b98654278e186bedf4368369c090fd4be855995500428f7c2c5291b3c5e47ca&

[low vault]

I feel so squishy in melee without shout

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/gitgud-thepruld-git-gud-dark-gif-8126281

[tall torrent]

Try dodging, idk

[tawdry jackal]

i do shout when there isn't a second vet

because im trying to help the team with gold toughness

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is basically just exe stance rn

[tawdry jackal]

i'd rather do exe stance tbqh

[low vault]

Gotcha

[tawdry jackal]

it was so fucking lit to demolish dudes with that shit

[hollow ibex]

Shout teaches some bad habits ngl

[low vault]

What gun do you guys reccomend to run with shout then? I want something that can deal with carapace/far off targets well. Plasma is a little hard to aim at range

[hollow ibex]

Bolter is a good candidate

[wet ether]

i use infiltrate and i get by just fine

[tall torrent]

Why do u need a gun to deal with carapace

[tawdry jackal]

i dont really like the fact that longshot is the gatekeeper talent on the way to volley adept. But i often find myself emptying the boltgun and not being able to take advantage of tactical reload. Do you think its a worthy alternate at all?

[tall torrent]

Have u tried magdumping less

[hollow ibex]

Stop spraying

[tawdry jackal]

i try to maintain trigger discipline but yeah sometimes shit is lit and i fuck up my timing

[low vault]

I don’t have a good dueling sword and many melees good with carapace aren’t great at horde clearing

[tawdry jackal]

or its boss killing time and i said fuck it

[low vault]

I’m running frags on my build

[tawdry jackal]

like eventually i'll get the muscle memory and timing down, or start doing shorter bursts to control the magdump tendencies. But yeah

[full nacelle]

Honestly, tactical reload on boltgun is just a muscle-memory thing

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/solucion-predator-argentina-serious-shoot-gif-12512420

[full nacelle]

you should rarely be mag dumping on it outside of bosses and pannicking at massive crushers hordes

[hearty panther]

7 or 14 clicks

[hollow ibex]

me with full auto mod on

[tall torrent]

Combat axe
Power sword
Knife

All good options for carapace

Chainaxe even

[lavish token]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d553908-4f1d-4313-bf9d-9c296f29c4e0/standard-zealot-build-ij

[tall torrent]

Shovel perhaps

[lavish token]

literally the standard

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s just that

Some weapons I prefer piety tho

[lavish token]

2 types really

ds and knife

[full nacelle]

yeah you all forgot Loner Knife zealot

[lavish token]

why would I ever pick loner

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[full nacelle]

to be alone

[lavish token]

I do not play cringe stealth

[full nacelle]

not even Infiltrate? 🥺

[lavish token]

Absolutely not

[tall torrent]

It’s ass, unfortunately

[full nacelle]

b-but you go NYOOM

faster movement, better person

[tall torrent]

What

Going loner doesn’t make u go faster

[full nacelle]

yes but it does incentivize you to get so far ahead of your team that you can go make use of it and die to a random trapper

[tall torrent]

Hence it’s ass

[full nacelle]

you just don't understand the nuance and complexities of running off on your own and dying to specials

I'm an expert at it

[wild vortex]

Numbers cat I am a returning player and finally got the chance to read your published guide (you were still working on it when I was around earlier) and I gotta say man, fucking MAGNIFICO

thanks for your work

[hearty panther]

yea i mean i guess his guide is alright, couldve used more 3d diagrams and colouring pages tho

[full nacelle]

^

I would have appreciated an ad lib section

or at least some kind of crossword

[wild vortex]

[wet ether]

thats gotta be the dumbest shit ever getting teleported while still in binds

[winter grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1230364552982429759/petal_20240224_194601.mp4?ex=67108948&is=670f37c8&hm=019b7727fe9b51b291848824b684202e8e099e890d6dd6501ec87bda453442e9&

[full nacelle]

this is why they are Loners

[tall torrent]

[wet ether]

scion

[tall torrent]

I’d be so disappointed if it releases without gloves

[placid portal]

Gloveless drip is sad

[wet ether]

just a small video of my darktide veteran gameplay was a warm up mission lol

[austere mica]

Holy fuck why did you make your flashlight that bright

[wet ether]

mods

[austere mica]

I said why

Not how

That is actually blinding

It probably completely blinds you in smoke doesn't it

Also aRE YOU PLAYING WITH THE FUCKING MUSIC OFF

[wet ether]

no its on just at a low volume

[austere mica]

It is entirely inaudible

I would turn that shit past 100 if I could

Jesper kyd my beloved

[broken spade]

is everyone running wounds or is this malice?

[wet ether]

3 of them are ogryns

[broken spade]

oh

[wet ether]

This was also a warm up mission lol

Gameplay wise how skillful do y’all think I am lol

Even those this was just a warm up

[broken spade]

idk the video is barely loading cause my connection is dying

[wet ether]

Lmao well there is a funny moment in this video as well

[broken spade]

wtf that flashlight

[broken spade]

honestly idk what i'd be judging off of. barely anything happening there

there's like 3 poxwalkers to fight there at any given time

[umbral scaffold]

i do too and if i do its with other music. no hate on the maker tho

[broken spade]

or like 1 rager or 1 mutant

[soft hound]

What's the dump on a hellbore? stability?

[wet ether]

1 mutant that well gave up on life

[somber river]

What blessings would I want for a dueling sword? Picked one up after I realised vets can now take them, but I'm not entirely sure how to build it.
...Aaaalso I somehow managed to roll one that starts off with 2% finesse

[verbal burrow]

I was not mentally prepared for how shit the Helbore is

[umbral scaffold]

me when im wrong

[verbal burrow]

?

[hollow ibex]

it's... am acquired taste

[umbral scaffold]

shocktrooper surgical infinite ammo gun my beloved

[verbal burrow]

I could vibe with it, if it fired when I pulled the trigger, and the charge-up automatically happened after the shot, as an internal cooldown sort of thing

[hollow ibex]

the combination of the draw and then the charge is too much for me lol

[tame lodge]

Stability then ammo

[verbal burrow]

Basically everything at 80% except Stab

[tame lodge]

It's not shit
But it's definitely not for everyone

[verbal burrow]

I own a lasmusket for home defence, just like the god-Emperor intended

3 pox hounds break into my map

[tame lodge]

The Mk4 can afford some uncharged shots here and there

[verbal burrow]

What the devil, I shout, as I pick up my Helbore and put on my gas mask

Camp in place to charge gun and surgical, and blow a golf ball sized home through the first hound

Miss the second hound entirely because of charge-up

I have to resort to my trusty bayonet which inherits the blessings of my rashad axe

The most irksome bit is just that by the time you equip it and charge it, your allies have already killed everything >.>

[crude fiber]

i laughed out loud when you pulled out your gun lmao

[winter grove]

Bro the flashlight
https://youtu.be/b862LshnPYk?si=oVeD7FrNhW92T0OX

[sly fern]

new player here.
is Melk's limited acquisition worth it?
i'm level 21 rn and i'm considering buying a Kantrael MKVII lasgun that i could used it to late game

[winter grove]

Show the lasgun

[sly fern]

i can't post the screenshot
it has max 78% damage, 80% ammo, 74% stopping power, 80% mobility and 68% stability

[winter grove]

It's meh

You should go for 80% everything except mobility

[sly fern]

kk, got it
it is pretty rough trying to get myself a hand on a good gun early on lol

[hollow ibex]

it's mostly good for getting a somewhat useable weapon you can grind with, and every once in a while, actually good rolls (not that often)

[nimble hazel]

Because his rolls are always weirdly spread out, I've been keeping an eye on him to try and get a perfect plasma. It has not paid off.

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think I've checked Melk since the update dropped

[hollow ibex]

yeah melk is def way less important now

[wet ether]

i was straining my eyes half the damn time with the normal flash light

at least now i can see the buggers

[narrow yacht]

I think you got a game mixed in with your mods bro

[umbral scaffold]

how come your game sounds louder thean mine even if i set it to 400 ?

more bassy

[fierce spoke]

Would either of these two Plasma's be fine to settle with, or keep hunting for the 71 Charge/69 Thermal Res?

[wet ether]

i mean i do have an interesting assortment of mods

some of these mods are just ouright me being purely lazy

[narrow yacht]

I don't have any mods but I don't bash on people that use them

[hollow ibex]

mods are great

90% of them are just QOL stuff anyway

[narrow yacht]

I just get my cheeks clapped by enemies I don't see the way the God-Emperor intended

[hollow ibex]

well you can still get basic mods like stuff to help sort inventory, mastery, access to hadron, etc.

because vanilla DT UI fuckin blows

[wet ether]

i hate getting hit from behind

[narrow yacht]

I kinda gotten used to it now

Only game I use UI changes on is warcraft

[hollow ibex]

as long as it works for you 👍

updating mods is a pain anyway

[wet ether]

half the time i forget to update my mods

[tawdry jackal]

Buy nothing until level 30 that you don’t need/want to try out

[wet ether]

how the fuck do those blasted heretics move faster than us the players

[hearty panther]

get more move speed and/or stop dumping mobility so hard

[austere mica]

SpawnFeed
Spidey Sense

ew

[radiant chasm]

So kiting/speedrunning won’t be the most viable (pub) strategy

[narrow yacht]

I'm carrying around a giant chainsword and they just have a stick I hope they could run faster

[radiant chasm]

Speedrunners find a way but darktide wants you to stand and fight and reposition through strafing and backpedaling (or charging forwards)

If heretics didn’t so the slide, the meta would be 4 speed weapons and running through the map

[wet ether]

here the thing those i dont get how heretics can hit ya when ya mid slide

[austere mica]

Because it has no tracking break

You are just baseball sliding

[wet ether]

.....it should

[austere mica]

People get them all the time

[austere mica]

That would be fucking insane

Being able to effectively dodge forwards with no real limit

[wet ether]

you know damn well thats not what i meant

[hearty panther]

thats the only thing differentiating dodges from slides

[wet ether]

it should effect ya stamina

[austere mica]

That feels like it was what you meant

[wet ether]

oh

[radiant chasm]

I wouldn’t mind a soft rework and slides using stamina cause it is silly you can maintain sprint momentum without stamina cost by sliding

[austere mica]

I think its mostly fine

Cuts your mobility cause you can't turn

[wet ether]

i mean i find it dumb that you cant just kite the enemies

[radiant chasm]

Because that isn’t the game design

Darktide is very intentionally designed to pressure you to certain behaviors without outright forcing behaviors

There is no emplacements or mines or turrets because even during defense sections they want players to be on the move

[austere mica]

Tox gas takes that to an extreme

[radiant chasm]

Coherency encourages players to stick together but doesn’t outright punish you if you slip out for a bit nor is it needed to maximize your own independent strength

[wet ether]

also reduce infiltrate CD timer when?

[austere mica]

Its fine as is

the fucking

[radiant chasm]

You mean increase?

[austere mica]

6s cooldown on specials/elites is stupid as hell

Every other class is percentile

but vet has flat numbers

[wet ether]

no decrease

[radiant chasm]

So vets don’t spend over half the game practically invisible

[austere mica]

low profile infinite uptime when

[radiant chasm]

Why lol if voc didn’t exist stealth+ 10 second no aggro would be the next meta

It is insanely good but piss toughness for team and instant cc is just better

[serene bough]

True

[radiant chasm]

Kiting shouldn’t be anyones long term strategy in darktide unless they are the weird true solo/true duo speedrunners

You turn and kill and then you can move on

It also encourages players to engage in the hybrid combat

And not just sit with gun out 24/7 like a typical horde shooter

[hearty panther]

they even deliberately made dodging with guns shittier for that reason

during the beta dodging with a gun would still break melee tracking, now it doesn't

[austere mica]

What

[radiant chasm]

Just like how a melee player makes ranged enemies swap or panic, melee enemies are meant to take up your attention if you are focusing on ranged

[austere mica]

I can use my negative 2 dodges with flamer to avoid stuff

[radiant chasm]

You can still manually dodge with guns it just won’t break tracking

Yea

[hearty panther]

yea youre just dodging perfectly

[austere mica]

I am most certainly not in my opinion but if I am thats cool

[hearty panther]

if you werent youd be getting hit

[wet ether]

so naturally us vets have 45 seconds of CD when it comes to invis right

[green willow]

what's the dump stat for the knife

[spark helm]

Mobility broadly.

Unless you're determined to excel at dodging in a way that's redundant with good play, dump mobility.

You'll want as much damage you can output as much as you can imo. It's not critical, but if you're really into combat knives, you'll feel it enough to notice.

[wet ether]

and zealots get like what 30 second CD and look what the zealots get in terms of buffs

for their invis

[austere mica]

Vet infil is longer and has low profile

[wet ether]

ya missing the point

we vets have to spend a point or 2 of our talents for example to get low profile or the 30% extra damage

[radiant chasm]

-6 -6 -6

[wet ether]

thats if you secure the kill

[spark helm]

I usually just skip that one and grab the other ability damage buffs from middle and right bottom talents.

They flow well enough, but you feel what it means to invest into leaning into infiltrate.

Most just aren't willing to do that when you have a shroudfield zealot with all the immediate synergy it has with cqc melee/ranged stealth play for a game like this.

[radiant chasm]

30% damage isn’t even taken cause it’s duration is too short

Compared to other consistent or utility options

[wet ether]

i gave an example

[radiant chasm]

How are you not when you have 18s of nothing bothering you

Shroudfield is way shorter, doesn’t have an aggro drop so enemies will insantly turn

[spark helm]

If you flubb or get zoned out usually that's the foil for any stealth dive.

[radiant chasm]

Crit cdr is still OP yes but backstab cdr is current % and requires skill to use on front facing enemies

[spark helm]

Or at least a problem.

[radiant chasm]

And you’ll only get one, maybe 2 backstab kills out of stealth (4 if the stars align with brutal momentum) but all the consecutive kills get diminishing returns cause that is how current cdr works

[spark helm]

Are yall talking about infiltrate broadly or infiltrate with something specific?

[radiant chasm]

Backstab cdr shroudfield not vet

[spark helm]

Mm.

[radiant chasm]

Azure is arguing about zealot stealth which just doesn’t work in anyway to show infiltrate needing buffs

[wet ether]

i'm talking veteran infiltrate having some of its nodes being built into infiltrate itself

[radiant chasm]

8s/45s for vet or 3s/30s for shroudfield baseline

[wet ether]

like the 30% damage for example should be built into it

[radiant chasm]

One point more you get 18s/45s vs shroudfield 5s/30s

[radiant chasm]

No lol vet already has 3 on ability use damage boosts

2 of them being accessible already

[elder fiber]

No, more damage boosts please

[radiant chasm]

Waiter waiter, more powercreep pls

[hollow ibex]

i think the double charge should be built into vet infiltrate

the four subnodes crap is stupid

and it'd help distinguish vet infil from zealot infil

this would be basically what they did with exec stance's refresh node

[radiant chasm]

I’d prefer if zealot had fotf broken into subnodes so the ability isn’t overloaded and subsequently nerfed

[elder fiber]

Yeah we need to progress to where rashad can 1hko monstrosities

[wet ether]

thank you

[radiant chasm]

It’s already clearly distinguished

Like ok node combining is one thing

I can respect that

[wet ether]

i gave some bad examples ok

[radiant chasm]

But buffing infiltrate cause you glanced read shroudfield once is silly

[wet ether]

no i do play zealot as well and have a marty build

[spark helm]

Compared to infiltrate without those added benefits, zealots going right tree from the top just get access to defensive resource batteries (tdr on crit, toughness on dodge, etc.). That ease of access makes them dropping from stealth a little less of a hellhole to recover from comfortably in my experience.

Not investing in at least toughness damage reduction or aggro loss out of infiltrate mostly just means that I have x amount of time to start laying out damage.

That alone distinguishes it from shroudfield because you have to actually start specializing further into the playstyle as opposed to just being able to access the ability to turn off enemy targetting.

[radiant chasm]

Shroudfield is a combat ability, infiltrate is a utility and buff

How i see it

[hollow ibex]

one's more offensive and the other is more defensive, one's shorter, the other's longer. i still think they it can still afford to be distinguished further.

[spark helm]

It's the difference between ranger veteran stealth/hunter stealth and shade stealth.

[radiant chasm]

I don’t think they can much like how huntsman and shade ability were 2 different things

[wet ether]

shade stealth?

[spark helm]

Shade kerillian in vt2.

[radiant chasm]

And shorter/longer is an understatement

[spark helm]

Which worked closer to shroudfield with that infiltrate node option.

[austere mica]

Shade stealth enables boss oneshots without any weapon buffs like thrust

[spark helm]

^

[wet ether]

i see

[radiant chasm]

18s/45s or even 18s/60s*2 is massively different than 3/30 or 5/30 or 3/45

[austere mica]

Huntsman stealth is a fat ranged bonus and can be upgraded to not drop on shooting

[wet ether]

still those would it be to much to bring down vet infiltrate to 40 seconds?

[radiant chasm]

Yes

Until cdr node is beat with a bat

Yes

[spark helm]

A lot of darktide stuff are adaptations of vt2 abilities quite a lot.

Stealth between veteran and zealor are broken down versions of all three vt2 stealth abilities and talents that changed their behavior.

[umbral scaffold]

merc kruber has the same shout ability sorta

[spark helm]

Similar to how veteran shout and the middle bottom tree are literally just blending saltzpyre and kruber shit.

[radiant chasm]

Which i do hope happens so abilities don’t have to be balanced around getting your ability back 300% faster

[spark helm]

And who would've guessed, they're incredibly consistent and simple abilities that work in practically every situation.

[wet ether]

just a heads up i'm holding my tongue right now as it is because i dont wanna say anything hurtful to anyone

[spark helm]

Idk what's up with that since I came into this late and saw infiltrate talk happening. :U

[austere mica]

Most DT abilites are just VT stuff adapted

Psyker has the most unique things

Being Assail, Deny Destiny, Empowered Psionics, Smite, and Gaze

[spark helm]

Psyker staves are genuinely just effect swaps of each fire staff sienna pops

[narrow yacht]

VT2 was the second game I ever got all steam achievements for

[wet ether]

still those having 2 charges built into infiltrate would be nice

[austere mica]

I want beam and bolt back

[narrow yacht]

The forst one was subnautica

[austere mica]

Pleeeaaaaaase

[wet ether]

minus the 33% increase to its CD

[radiant chasm]

Only if it kept the increased cdr as well really

[austere mica]

Also unique lmb attacks

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-luffy-fight-argument-taste-gif-20986130

[spark helm]

I think it'd be cool if at least the aggro dump was in there. I could care less for the 2nd charge and tdr or dmg would be easy choices depending on what I'm doing.

[wet ether]

GREAT BUDDING HEADING AGAIN

[spark helm]

The dream of a more filled out infiltrate veteran is entertaining though.

The utility from middle tree could see wider use, even if it's meager.

Those dinky talents that give dmg on proximity kills for teammates would be fun to subtly spin while running stealth on vet imo

Or at the very least doubling down into casino x2 grenades and bottom middle tree talents with ease.

I feel like if anything, veteran being flexible in being a buff dispenser based on personal and shared performance is a strong suit for any build it creates.

That's what the keystoneless builds accomplish though so.../shrug

[wet ether]

i mean if tactual awareness gave both you and your teammates a -6 second CD to those in coherency than that i could live with

hell even nerf that shit to 4 seconds

[spark helm]

Tactical awareness is cdr on specialist kills in coherency right?

[lavish token]

Aggro dump is just trolling your team

[wet ether]

no

[austere mica]

Buff the stongest node in the tree, cool

[lavish token]

I love having overheads track into me because of it

Very fun

[spark helm]

Not like I'm not fighting the things I stealth behind /shrug

[wet ether]

thats for yourself only those

[spark helm]

Just dodge 12head

[lavish token]

-90% threat is extremely cringe

[spark helm]

You just go into infiltrate, finger roll a krak grenade on a bulwark, hop out attacking and then finish whatever. Pretty straightforward.

Or throw a grenade first, then pop stealth, blah blah

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-emperor-emperors-new-groove-groove-kronk-gif-5513476415309444048

[wet ether]

All I’m saying is tactical awareness for yourself and teammates would make vet a much stronger pick but like I said reduce that shit to like 4 seconds

[lavish token]

Hmm yes massively op instant picks

[austere mica]

That would still be insane

psynetics aura is 5%

[hearty panther]

cock back krak grenade
stealth
stick krak
breaks my stealth
be surprised and killed by my own incompetence
crusher i kraked dies to a duelist sword zealot

stealf