veteran-class

[full nacelle]

you don't need the gun

out that is

just effects the nades

[radiant chasm]

you do need the gun out iirc

if the gun is out you have the lethal proximity buff on your bar

if it isn't out, you don't have the buff and your nades are 25% smaller

[fading yarrow]

Lookit this hatless nerd

[full nacelle]

the buff goes away even if you have the gun out

but it still effects your grenades as far as I know

[thorn plinth]

All my boys love hats

[radiant chasm]

i'd rather not risk it cause there is no clear visual indicator between +25% from talent vs +50% from talent and lethal proximity

[thorn plinth]

Think it doesn't matter, I had my sword out hitting the Bulwark with the Shredder and the Mauler got hit either way, nothing extra got hit with the gun out

[full nacelle]

I just tested it and it doesn't matter

threw a grenade with lethal proximity boltpistol

hit a scab from far away

threw a grenade at the same spot with my melee out

hit the same scab

switched the boltpistol out

threw a grenade at the same spot

did not hit the scab

so you still get the effect no matter what

also, take One Motion in your grenadier builds

it affects how fast you pull out and unpin the grenades

[fading yarrow]

Frens, which is the best Catachan sword?

[full nacelle]

IV is the most popular one by a pretty big margin

[fading yarrow]

What.

[full nacelle]

just proving that lethal proximity works even if you have your melee out first

[thorn plinth]

Or during the explosion, either way

[full nacelle]

ok but lethal proximity with smoke grenades though

[thorn plinth]

Lethal prox but fire nades

Lethal prox but Ogryn-sized nade (he's wearing the pistol as a pendant on a necklace)

[fading yarrow]

Gotcha, which Blessings should I go for?

[full nacelle]

duuuude Ogryn bomb + lethal proximity

bigger boom

[full nacelle]

rampage + shred or savage sweep

[sonic grove]

Just discovered how fuckoff amazing the tactical axe is now that you can get brutal momentum on it. Is Mark II the best for getting head hits?

I think my first one was Mark V and that left something to be desired.

[full nacelle]

someone stop me, I'm making a smoke grenadier lethal proximity build

[sonic grove]

Forgot to specify getting head hits by spamming light attacks

Which is kind of always what you want to do when you have brutal momentum anyway

[fading yarrow]

Bada bing bada boom

[full nacelle]

noice! you definitely are going to want maniac instead of carapace though

the death claws main niche is parrying ragers to death

and they always SUCK against carapace sadly

[fading yarrow]

Dang, hoped I can get some crazy Crusher parries

[full nacelle]

honestly same dude! I tried to build around it last week but it just don't work

praying it does one day cause that would be sick

you can kill a crusher in like... 5 parries

just not worth it over throwing a sticky or popping them with a revolver

and everything else will be clapping your cheeks while you're parrying

[fading yarrow]

Gotcha, so I still have to be careful when parrying

[full nacelle]

yeah it's more of a tool than a playstyle you can focus around

great for ragers and decent for maulers though

and if you're a god you can clown on bosses

I just want to say to all my teams that I am going to test this smoke grenadier build with that I am so sorry

[crude fiber]

The later the parry the less stam it uses I believe. Last second parry uses very little stamina

[full nacelle]

the Emperor made me do it

[woeful ibex]

Need help, what stats should I prioritized and which blessings is best?

[full nacelle]

the plasma gun has VERY specific perfect stats

I wouldn't sweat it unless you really want to min-max

[woeful ibex]

@full nacelle thank you

[full nacelle]

anytime

[sturdy karma]

Where did you get that from Iv not seen weapons laid out like that

[full nacelle]

first link up in the pins! very helpful resource

[sturdy karma]

Thanks man I’ll need to check that out

[full nacelle]

I wouldn't take everything as gospel but its extremely well researched and tested

sure thing!

[sturdy karma]

Yeah it’s guidance rather than set in stone

[full nacelle]

Yeah there are just too many little nuances to even fit into a 100pg veteran guide

but they did an amazing job with it

[wet ether]

@tall torrent as much as i you're fucking logic annoying you are correct about the VIc and sorry about earlier

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

It'll take some getting used to but I can just play the sword like it's For Honor

Can I move and dodge while parrying or do I need to stay standing still?

Fended off a Rager pack with the parry and they took some chunks out of me

[tall torrent]

it's fine, no big deal

[full nacelle]

Yeah honestly I'd much rather just play the duelling sword

the parry is cool but that's about it

[primal dune]

I can't use the dueling sword anymore, it's just so strong it's stupid

[full nacelle]

yeah but it actually takes some semblence of skill to use unlike some other overpowered weapons

I just think it's a lot of fun

[primal dune]

I don't really think that it does, it's easy to use while being a safe weapon

[halcyon ridge]

isnt it just grabbing the mk4 and left clicking things to death

unless its elites, then you hold left click them to death

[fading yarrow]

I should try the DS on my Knife Vet...

[full nacelle]

nah that duelling swords horde clear is meh

[analog yacht]

A lot of the braindead comes from uncanny

[full nacelle]

you pretty much just run around like a freak poking things in the head

[primal dune]

DS is the knife except you don't need to invest skill points for it and the alt-fire staggers crushers

[thorn plinth]

Hey, how's it going? (I am the freak in question)

[full nacelle]

Pretty good man. You? (same man, I love it)

[thorn plinth]

[full nacelle]

I run duelling sword with smoke grenades and DB shotgun to nerf it

[thorn plinth]

Me sprinting towards the group of crushers because my funny sword pierces their helmets

[primal dune]

I've been running the shock maul to return to earth after my DS adventures

[full nacelle]

I could never get into the shock maul

I wanted to

but I hate doing combos that aren't left clicking a whole bunch

[dry cloak]

Electric mace good

[primal dune]

It's versatile

[thorn plinth]

Actually need to try the horde clear mace when I stop using DS and (I guess) go for an actual ranged build

[full nacelle]

I wish the veteran had an equivalent to the billhook from vermintide

that thing was so fun

[dry cloak]

No polearms for now

[full nacelle]

I just lived its silly push attack combo

it felt so good once you got into the rhythm

the only weapon combo I ever bothered to learn

[thorn plinth]

Push attacks being like the only good attack on multiple weapons in Verm 2

[full nacelle]

I really do miss Vermintide sometimes

but I'm spoiled by Darktide's ranged combat and build crafting

[analog yacht]

The number of good builds is about on par tbh

[wet ether]

just saying i hate admitting that i'm wrong or saying sorry so if i do either of these things ya can damn well bet i mean it

[primal dune]

I miss the flail

It has nice animations

[full nacelle]

oh man the fire flail was my jam on Sienna

[primal dune]

I liked the fire dagger aswell

[dry cloak]

Flail and shield on wsrrior priest saltz

[full nacelle]

saltz my beloved... bardin my beloved... kruger my beloved...

and elf was there too

[primal dune]

I must admit that no firearm in darktide matches the coolness of brace of pistols

[full nacelle]

remember when you'd play Bounter Hunter and two tap the boss in the face with your ult?

that was fun

[dry cloak]

No firearm in darkride allows ne to get that handgun feeling

When laslock for vet

[primal dune]

Does 40k have any lever-action rifles?

[uncut pebble]

Vt2 players when elf:

[austere mica]

Several I think

[dry cloak]

On necromunda for certain

[austere mica]

But if the question is “does 40k have x historical weapon”the answer is just yes

[primal dune]

splendid

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/uwu-skeleton-wheelchair-wow-gif-27408889

[austere mica]

Some underhiver or primitive worlder probably has one

[primal dune]

We need that shit pronto

Oh, and a lever action shotgun while we're at it

[wet ether]

revolver style nade launcher when

[full nacelle]

all the current combat shotguns already play like lever action rifles

imagine using primary fire on a shotgun

nice joke

[dry cloak]

I use it all the time

[full nacelle]

you're an absolute madman

[dry cloak]

Its for horde clear

[full nacelle]

its so ammo inefficient though

plus I use the zarona where my special ammo is my horde clear

it's the only one that actually feels like a shotgun

[dry cloak]

Manstopper

And accatran

Shotgun

Because zarona is weak ass. Agrip being accurate has a place

[frank basin]

Guy tanner posting more shit again

Tannerposting

[dry cloak]

You mean boykisser tanner

[full nacelle]

even accatran can't kill poxwalkers from any range with primary fire... Zarona with special shot clears it much faster

[frank basin]

Tanner the femboy Darktide tuber

[dry cloak]

I plaay 100% crits

With shotguns

[full nacelle]

so do I and the Zarona special shot is 100% the best for a crit-based horde clear weapon because of its special ammo

its actually nutty

[dry cloak]

Fair. But when i used it it felt weak compared to accatran

[full nacelle]

you need a REALLY specific setup for it

otherwise yeah... it's complete ass

[dry cloak]

I have my game up with brown shotty and i dont intend to change it

[full nacelle]

but if you stack crit and Marksman's Focus it becomes the ultimate horde clearing machine

pops massive waves of heads like crazy

[dry cloak]

If you prefer zarona thats you choice

I prefer accatran

[full nacelle]

I'm just saying they have different niches

Zarona is THE horde clear shotgun

[dry cloak]

Yes

[dry cloak]

Nah thats db in my book

[full nacelle]

the uptime on DB is too low unfortunately unless you're just both barrels mag dumping

you never have to reload on Zarona

[dry cloak]

I dont have realod on weapon swap

Its not needed

[shadow dagger]

a bot and a textureless head zealot in the pregame screen

[full nacelle]

well yes but then you're constantly going in and out of melee range and spending less time blowing off 30 heads at a time with the Zarona every .5 seconds

[shadow dagger]

surely this is a completely normal game

[full nacelle]

you don't have to spend time in melee to reload your gun with the Zarona

you just shoot

that's what makes it good

[dry cloak]

Im 90% melee on my build

[full nacelle]

yep! that's what the DB shotgun is for

but the Zarona is better for horde clear in that regard

DB is more of a really nice compliment for melee builds

Zarona is a more specialized crowd clearer that can also special snipe when needed

it's not meant for a melee build because you need distance to pop as many heads as possible with its huge spread

not trying to be a nerd, just trying to say that the Zarona has a niche no other shotgun fulfills and thats blasting the heads off 50 poxwalkers at a time every half a second

[dry cloak]

Kickback

[full nacelle]

still not as strong, much more reloading

not as much spread

sorry Ogryns

[dry cloak]

But you dont have autoshotty

We do

[full nacelle]

autoshotty?

[dry cloak]

Its called a ripper

[full nacelle]

ohhhh truuueeeee

ripper do be being fun

but yeah if you ever get the urge to try a funny Zarona build let me know

you know that little voiceline that plays whenever you kill a bunch of stuff back to back?

you get spammed with those voicelines with this build cause you just constantly clear entire mosh pits of enemies with it

[dry cloak]

Yes. When i one shot a bunch of rsgers

[full nacelle]

ok but now lets get into what really matters

the Zarona has the best sound design of the combat shotguns

and if you disagree you're wrong and I'll kill you

[manic moon]

no one disagrees with you cuz nobody knows which one is the zarona

[full nacelle]

so true

[sturdy karma]

The flame shot one?

[full nacelle]

Lawbringer was a much better name

[dry cloak]

Old lawbringer

[sturdy karma]

Agri is the single slug I think

[full nacelle]

yee

accatran is the fire one

[sturdy karma]

I like the single shot and flame shot, never understood the wide shot one

Flame shot kinda does the same it goes into a horde and clears it up

[full nacelle]

Oh man guys... Field improv or focus fire?

[dry cloak]

Field inprov

[full nacelle]

oh god but what if another vet on the team already has it

could you imagine?

[dry cloak]

Well

[full nacelle]

yeah you right

field improv it is

[analog yacht]

There's gotta be things you can take besides either of those two

[regal belfry]

i hope they add one day shangeable sights

i would like to put the las pistol sight onto the revolver

[sturdy karma]

The best thing about the infantry las gun is prob the sight

[regal belfry]

or the infantry las sight on vigilant autoguns and helbore las rifles

[sturdy karma]

I ran the weapon customisation mod for a few days but it kept breaking my weapons giving their special action torches

It gave my assault shotty a torch so I couldn’t use the special ammo

[mild hill]

No need for a sight on the helbore the irons are perfect

[regal belfry]

i swapped sights in manny games if i had the posibility

i dislike using ironsights more often

[daring sage]

what is a good talent build for the recon lasgun

[dry cloak]

Change the torch to default it should work

[vernal harbor]

I’d like to apologize to anyone using the rashad i wasn’t familiar with your intelligence

i will never laugh at this axe again

[ocean idol]

No.
Nothing can penetrate plate.
It could penetrate anything worse than playte though. And most combatants never had access to plate.

[dry cloak]

Cannons

[primal dune]

Harsh words

[verbal burrow]

Good morning fellow guardsmen

How do I invite other guard enjoyers to this server?

[verbal burrow]

?

[verbal burrow]

Depends on how much you plan to spray and pray

[sturdy karma]

I like running it with headtaker infernus onslaught and extra/free ammo

[verbal burrow]

That is why I don’t run improv. If you want toughness bring a proper sergeant. If you want corruption cleansing bring an aura zealot. I want my health suitcase to replenish damn health

[sturdy karma]

If you aren’t using infernus maybe marksman focus would work when I tried marksman focus with infernus I think the burn was sniping some of my headshot kills so I wasn’t building charges as fast

[regal belfry]

the health suitcase still heals health

[verbal burrow]

Infernus isn’t very good on semi automatic lasguns. Works great on the automatic lasguns

[sturdy karma]

Ye I thought we were talking recon las

I was assuming the 20shot brrrrrt mark

Mk7 maybe can’t remember

[verbal burrow]

I don’t want a wasted talent point that results in the health suitcase expending its charge on recharging the blue bar when filling the blue bar is my job. It must focus on the white bar.

[regal belfry]

the suitcase does not heal blue bar it heals purple away from white bar if no full purple bars

[verbal burrow]

That is why I always say “the damage per shot accatran” or “the rate of fire accatran”. I don’t care for the habit of changing the mark names ingame every week.

[sturdy karma]

Field improv gains value the worse your situation is. If your team is cruising they don’t really care if everyone is on their final wound gasping during an event clearing that corruption is what moves the needle to winnable

And feeding your ogryn a ogrynheimer is always nice

[verbal burrow]

It does heal blue bar, and that is my job. It also heals purple bar, and that is zealot’s job. When it fucks with the blue and purple bars, it is wasting charge that could be used on the white bar. And that is why I don’t waste a talent point on it.

[primal dune]

Field improv is nice but situations where it actually makes a diffrence are incredibly rare

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah it’s not nice enough for me to spend a point except on request

Like I’ll do it if we’re rolling into something intense and the team would want it

[verbal burrow]

That tier of the talent tree is getting the bare minimum of points, which is 1, and that one point is going into Demolition Stockpile

Red ability unlocked, further expenditure not required

[daring sage]

i want to shoot people who shoot at me

is headhunter plus infernus good

[rancid rover]

The extra grenade supply makes field improvision worth the talent point by itself.

Like u know, auric maelstorm with enhanced blitz

ogryn can toss 12 more nukes with an ammo suitcase

[verbal burrow]

At this point I have accepted that the middle path is too cracked to ignore it, since depriving a team of krak grenades, damage aura, toughness shout, and Saltzpyre tag makes me feel bad, so I would run it like this despite the fiery protests of other: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d543646-2c8d-46bc-a011-12d7a35e7bb1/bring-a-backpack-for-all-the-ammo-you-plan-to-steal

[daring sage]

why are you taking duck and dive if i may ask

[half path]

close quarter kill zone into onslaught would work alot better with the weapons you are using imo
also personally dont find fire team that good of an aura its alright if you dont have the points to get either of the other two

also grenade tinkering is factually useless on krak grenades outside of monstrosities

so i think covering firing would just be an alot better pick

the reason for me saying its factually useless is

they one hit everything you are using krak grenades on

outside of monstrosities

covering fire is also kind of not worth the point on it though, so I guess if your heart is set on fire team and kraks it probably is the better of the two

[regal belfry]

more likely used for frags

[real shoal]

The -only- perk of taking kraks with twin grenades is that they don't have the same trajectory, so 20% of the time, you get slightly better coverage—in addition to the odd monstrosity double shot once every map or three.

I like it better with frags, and even more with the bolt pistol increased explosive range (unless they fixed it). But it's still a vanity pick, even then.

[half path]

lethal proximity is still a global buff

:D

[real shoal]

Nice! My twinned frag grenade build with the extra grenade gen is still valid!

[half path]

shredder grenades cook regardless

[real shoal]

It's just really fun throwing like 30+ grenades in a histg.

[wet ether]

oi i've got 3 extra points to spend where should i throw them

[real shoal]

Is the lethal proximity buff global even when it's not equipped? I was using it with the Crusher on zealot for fun, too.

What're your weapons?

[wet ether]

its in the video

[earnest bone]

left side

30% weakspot + ammo maybe

[real shoal]

Weakspot is a pretty strong buff, yeah.

with 4 points, you could even pick up the funny lasgun ammo buff.

[earnest bone]

if not ammo, then reciprosity if you fine with it

[wet ether]

dont need it

[real shoal]

Depends on how good your aim is and how much you like to hold down the funny disco button.

[analog yacht]

weakspot + rending depending on your weapons

[wet ether]

aim pretty decent but i'm juggling melee and range

[analog yacht]

but pretty much always weakspot

magic reload is always nice

[half path]

yes

[analog yacht]

or stamina if you need it

[half path]

just having on your bolt pistol will mean its always active

[wet ether]

did you watch the video?

[half path]

makes crushers really fun i hear

[real shoal]

I've very much run out of ammo (or needed to take an exorbitant amount of ammo) on lasgun without it. But if you're balancing melee and ranged better than I do with lasgun, then it's whatever. But the weakspot is still a great pickup.

[analog yacht]

oh i didn't keep watching I just looked at the talents

I don't play chainsword so idk how stamina hungry it is

[real shoal]

The rending one isn't disgusting, but I do like it with lasgun since it also applies to burning and gives you more damage into stuff like monstrosities.

[analog yacht]

if your weapon has <=90% damage vs. armor then 10% rending is very good

if it has over then it's like 2.5% damage and it sucks

[wet ether]

chainsword stamina hungry?

[half path]

chainsword is left click sim

[real shoal]

Honestly, if you're good about weapon swapping, going two more points into weapon specialist is also nice. Get the auto reload and the extra toughness on weapon swap.

Especially since you aren't running VoC for the mostly reliable toughness gen.

[wet ether]

VOC is for people who suck no offence to anyone who uses VOC

[regal belfry]

it is good for reviving others cause the cc

[wet ether]

infiltrate or the other one which i forget its name are excellent

[real shoal]

I mean, running anything other than a grey combat knife and autopistol is for people who suck, no offense to anyone who uses anything else.

[regal belfry]

executioner stance

[wet ether]

thank you

[real shoal]

All the choices are good on vet. Though I personally prefer zealot stealth to vet stealth.

[wet ether]

@analog yacht

here the stat breakdown

rending or no rending?

[sacred sparrow]

is there anything like an ogrynomicon for veterans? specifically looking for a breakdown on weapon marks / blessings / perks

[analog yacht]

i mean you could kinda just say this about every strong option in a video game if you wanted to

[wet ether]

good point

[analog yacht]

a truly cracked player could run damnation maelstroms with grey weapons and 0 talents

[tame lodge]

First link on pins

[analog yacht]

yeah that doc goes hard

[wet ether]

grrr rending or no rending?

[analog yacht]

uhh for carapace you're going from 61% to 71% which is 16.4% damage

pretty solid

flak armor on the sword is already really good

idk what the armor values are for the funny laser gun

[wet ether]

here is funny laser gun

[wet ether]

sah

[sacred sparrow]

hammer of the emperor guide says dump cleave not mobility on power sword, why is that?

[pseudo fiber]

Powered power sword has max cleave

[sacred sparrow]

makes sense ty

[wet ether]

why do i force myself to drink this crap

[pseudo fiber]

Plus Bromentum you aren't stopping for antrhing

[analog yacht]

so 98 is your base damage, against flak and unyielding you do 73. 73/98 = 0.74. (0.1+0.74)/0.74 = 1.14x more damage multiplicative

[wet ether]

ogryn levels of dumb please

[real shoal]

Do more damages

[analog yacht]

this talent reads "+14% damage to maniacs, flak, and bosses for your lasgun" and then like "16% vs carapace" for your sword

tl;dr good

superiority complex is 15% additive and is really good

this is 15% multiplicative basically

[real shoal]

Also, didn't realize it did 0 damage to carapace.

Like no damage, sure. But actually no damage?

[tame lodge]

"Can't hurt Ogryn"

[analog yacht]

ogryn's have boss type armor iirc

[odd sparrow]

Crushers have carapace.
Other ogryns have unyielding, which is the same as the beast of nurgle, plague ogryn, chaos spawn and daemonhost

[grand perch]

If ogryns are boss armoured, why do they call me boss

[wet ether]

Good question

[verbal burrow]

I have to take something to open up the path to brittleness-on-hit, and that seemed like the least shitty option to my sleep deprived husk of a brain at the time.

[verbal burrow]

I am at work on my phone so I can’t check close quarters kill zone at the moment.

Fire Team benefits from adjacency to grenade tinkerer and demolition stockpile, so I will always take it. The 5% damage is also more useful to the melee oriented players than a sad amount of ammo.

[verbal burrow]

You answered your own statement in the same sentence.

[verbal burrow]

I pick both on my auric build, but this is clearly a build that has to make concessions to obtain brittleness on hit for the lasgun

[verbal burrow]

Not only am I going to take grenade tinkerer, I am also going to inject the damage stim. Then I am going to saltzpyre tag the plague ogryn. Then I am gonna shove two kraks in it’s arse, and no amount of rational arguments from sane people will change that

[half path]

Deleted ogryn

[daring sage]

ah i thought there was something more behind it but that makes sense lol

[half path]

I mean I’m not trying to change your mind I was just pointing out how limited it’s uses are

[analog yacht]

Covering fire straight up isn't even a talent

[half path]

True but when weighing it against grenade tinkerer with kraks my original thought was they are both very limited in their use

[slow spade]

I mean there's nothing stopping you from going Frag + fire team

iirc its 1 point tax and the 1 point is a +5% ranged damage node so its not even that bad

[sour patrol]

Hey guys so right

I’ve got like 530 hours on Darktide

And I’ve never leveled veteran to 30

so, genuinely, why should I give veteran a shot👍🏻

Like, vet as a class seems cool, but I genuinely don’t see a point in vet besides the shout and plasma

Like, it feels like that specific build outshines all others, going into auric maelstrom or damnation

[hearty panther]

its all about the shovel

[pseudo fiber]

Vet has good and fun hybrid melee and ranged set ups
Trying all the classes would generally be advised anyway
Shovel

[sour patrol]

Kinda feels like vets only purpose is to bring shout and plasma

[tropic abyss]

Shovel makes a funny noise when you heavy attack enemies

[hearty panther]

you havent lived until you've bonked down an entire horde with shovel heavies

[sour patrol]

I LOVE the shovel. I’m mostly an ogryn main and a lot of my time was spend playing with the shovel

But veteran shovel puny compared to ogryn shovel 🤣 (jkjk)

[tropic abyss]

veteran shovel is solid instead of folding

[pseudo fiber]

Plasma is strong but Vet has a lot of fun options
Grenade bolt pistol builds
Recon laser build
Double barrel weapon spec
Anything involving weapon spec actually

[sour patrol]

Ogryn’s mk 3 shovel is solid too, I mostly used that one and the mk5 sometimes

[pseudo fiber]

Mark 3 and 1 shovel are great

On Vet

[sour patrol]

I mean I will eventually level vet once I max out zealot but like

It just feels like every other build vet has. Another class does better

Except plasma/shout

[tropic abyss]

plasma isn't all that fun

[sour patrol]

Stealth zealot feels much more optimal than stealth veteran

[tropic abyss]

vet is a good generalist

you can do everything

plus you poop out free grenades every minute

[pseudo fiber]

Because stealth vet is utility while stealth zealot is built more for crits

[sour patrol]

Psyker’s scrier’s gaze seems to bring more value than executioner stance (apart from the highlighting enemies part)

[half path]

Plasma overrated tapping heads with an infantry lasgun and that 30% weakpoint node?

That’s real guardsmen gameplay

[sour patrol]

And yeah vet has power sword cleaves but ogryn just deletes hordes without really trying (and psyker has fire staffs)

[pseudo fiber]

And arguably power sword isnt the strongest melee available on vet rashad may be

[half path]

But really talent wise vet is very strong well rounded imo

[sour patrol]

Ooooh how so? I feel like zealot stealth also can play more utility, it’s versatile enough for you to focus on taking out specials and gunners while still going for crits

[pseudo fiber]

Vet stealth suppresses enemies when exiting it

[tropic abyss]

vet stealth can also dump aggro on the psyker

[pseudo fiber]

Plus threat reduction and a damage boost means for a solid 10 seconds you can do literallynwhatever the fuck you want

[sour patrol]

Hmmm true, I suppose vet’s strength is in its well-roundness

It just kinda feels like vet is a jack of all trades master of none when like

Zealot is jack of all trades master of…all trades

Psyker has its ridiculous damage ceiling

And ogryn is jack of all trades. Master of not dying

Yknow?

[half path]

Psyker is made out of glass

[tropic abyss]

ogryn isn't a jack of all trades, he gets bullied by ranged enemies

[sour patrol]

True 🤣 psykers defo a glass cannon

But again, isn’t vet’s survivability tied to his shout?

[sour patrol]

Ehhhhhh I mean that’s why you dodge slide

[half path]

But ye if we just look at vet they can generate ammo, have nodes that give them 20% damage against ogryns and monstrosities, 2 grenades that fuck, 15% damage against elites, nodes that can add brittleness and render, 2 stamina nodes, very nice base toughness, the unique play style that comes with weapon specialist and a win button (voc)

Just to point out some of their talents

Oh and iron will

Love my iron will

[pseudo fiber]

No you got great toughness regen and iron will as mentioned

[sour patrol]

Oooooh

Yeah I defo know for a fact vet’s talents rock

Is there like, any other build besides weapon spec and shout that do well though?

[pseudo fiber]

Focus target exe stance

Shredder lethal prox bolt pistol

[tropic abyss]

no?

[pseudo fiber]

Marksmans focus isn't great.

[half path]

A lot of vets survivability outside of shout is tied to killing things but you should be killing things tbh

[sour patrol]

Nice aight aight

[half path]

the class is pretty good at it

[sour patrol]

Okok once I get tired of zealot. Maybe I’ll find the time to level vet🤣

[tropic abyss]

you're fine without a keystone

[daring sage]

shooting things that shoot your party is what the vet does best

and what vet players in pubs dont do

[pseudo fiber]

You should it's a good time

Zero bias.

[tame lodge]

"Run and Gun" Agripina Infantry Auto Gun

Hit heads with Marksman Focus
Move
Hit
Move

[sour patrol]

I just always felt like the best vets in auric with my 500+ hours always just took plasma+shout 😅

But I see there’s really a lot of variety

[tropic abyss]

I've been experimenting with Agripinaa instead of Columnus lately

[sour patrol]

Maybe it’s a server thing 🤣 I’m on the Asia server

[daring sage]

my current auric build is shout + double barrel shotty

[slow spade]

I'm a 800 hour Vet with Bolter+Shout UwU

[sour patrol]

I do like the high skill ceiling of marksman focus xd

[slow spade]

I'm clearly unique

[sour patrol]

Like it feels like the main reason a lot of ppl rely on plasma+shout is because they can’t headshot

[daring sage]

but this build basically plays like a zealot which is my main

[slow spade]

Ironic because plasma is one of the better headshot machines

[sour patrol]

So it feels like marksman focus gets neglected a little

[daring sage]

its harder to use and if you have a team that doesnt protects you its a pain to use

[sour patrol]

Can veteran horde clear well? Or do most build rely mostly on teammates for that?

[daring sage]

mk 1 shovel and rashad axe have amazing horde cleear

[slow spade]

very good horde clear

[daring sage]

but every class can horde clear

[slow spade]

its not really a question if Vet can horde clear though

because if you can't, what the fuck are you doing

[tropic abyss]

you have 3 shredder grenades, and you regenerate them every minute

you're fine against hordes

[dire olive]

Unless you take like, knife and a lasgun

And run out of grenades

[tropic abyss]

some lasguns can penetrate enemies at least

[dire olive]

Helbore has better horde clear with bayonet than shooting lol

[tropic abyss]

poor helbore

[daring sage]

hellbore on auric seems like a massive pain

unless you get someone to babysit you

[slow spade]

Helbore is high skill for low reward

[dire olive]

Helbore just has a massive difference in skill ceiling

And skill floor

[tame lodge]

Dodge button

[tropic abyss]

the reward is proper Kriegsman cosplay

[daring sage]

that doesnt make them go away

:(

[slow spade]

it does if you shoot them

[tame lodge]

Or stab

[slow spade]

if you run dry on a Helbore, that's pure skill issue

[tame lodge]

Kill! Kill! Kill!

[slow spade]

I just blast them

[dire olive]

Like you you can snipe with helbore or you can take revolver/boltgun/pistol and you'll hit the head every time because their projectiles are the size of a palm tree

[slow spade]

bolter and bolt pistol have cleave now too lol

[formal pebble]

why

[slow spade]

because trying to shoot a trapper and a poxwalker gets in the way is annoying

[tropic abyss]

it's a bolter, it would be wrong if it didn't have cleave

[slow spade]

tbh I'm sad the explosion doesn't do damage

at least its basically an auto-suppress

Pinning Fire :D

[pseudo fiber]

Bolt pistol releasing with 0.0001 cleave what were they cookin

[slow spade]

yeah ikr

if they weren't going to cleave, then make the bolt explosion do damage

it doesn't...

so it was just bad lol

[pseudo fiber]

Bolt pistol now is so good

So much fun

[slow spade]

I agree

I've been running Agile Engagement + Focus Target for that Commissar feel

[sour patrol]

Do yall think we’ll ever get a “established guard regiment” skin line that isn’t over costed lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Well we got Vallhallan ice warriors for 2400

Depends if they can do a set out of it. Stuff like Tanith I think will be a 2900 set

[tropic abyss]

that isn't over costed
nope

[sour patrol]

How about something super duper obscure like idk

Indigan prefects

Well I guess if harakoni warhawks can have a 2500(?) price tag then I don’t see how indigan prefects can be any cheaper 🤣

[verbal burrow]

And also past tensed Beast of Nurgle and Chaos Spawn. Very important. For some reason it doesn’t work as well against Captains even though I stick the krak grenade on them when their shield is down.

[tropic abyss]

people are more likely to buy it if it's some regiment they already know and like

so unless they run out of ideas, no obscure stuff

[sour patrol]

Are the warhawks considered obscure? I can’t recall the last novel they had or were mentioned in

[sour patrol]

Ok but indigan prefects got that drip tho

[pseudo fiber]

I mean they might do stuff like that for 2400 again it depends

Can they make one for each class
Yes? Probably 2900
No? Then a 2400 or 2100 skin

[sour patrol]

And the cold steel/purple colour scheme?🥰🥰🥰

[verbal burrow]

It instantly refills the entire toughness bar of your teammates if you carve one plasma shot through the horde they are in melee with, effectively allowing me to heal people even when they are out of shout range.

[pseudo fiber]

Harakoni warhawks would 100% be a 2400 cosmetic I think

They'd only do it for vet

[verbal burrow]

Both have their place. I run both on my auric only build.

[sour patrol]

I think they got a skin line right? Or was it another “jump pack” guard regiment that I’m thinking of

[tropic abyss]

I'd say so

out of the flying guys, only the Elysians are mainstream

[pseudo fiber]

Elysian shock drop troops got one

[verbal burrow]

Because having one of each character at 30 opens up more playstyles?

[pseudo fiber]

And even then they aren't that mainstream the most impact they've ever had is probably because of Darktide lmfaooo

And they haven't got anything for ages

[bold patrol]

vet is so much fun from a zealot main

[sour patrol]

NO SORRY

Elysian drop troopers

Not the warhawks

My bad

[pseudo fiber]

They got one yeah they got a 2900 set for all classes

Which looks great

[verbal burrow]

Are those not enough reasons by themselves?

[sour patrol]

When was the last time they got a book🤣🤣🤣

[tropic abyss]

the average 40K nerd doesn't read books anymore

they watch youtube videos

[verbal burrow]

They can be fucking deadly in ranged and melee too, but the middle path is extremely strong yes

[sour patrol]

I can see like tallarn, krieg cadian etc having 2900 skins

Warhawks???

[pseudo fiber]

No again they're not unique enough

[sour patrol]

It’s kinda annoying sometimes ngl

[pseudo fiber]

Vet exclusive 2400

[tropic abyss]

what we need are weapon cosmetics in the commisar that don't look like shit

[pseudo fiber]

Next new premium set will be the next update

Which regiment idk

[sour patrol]

I mean if Elysian can get 2900 skins

[pseudo fiber]

Vostroyan are the most popular

Or most requested

[sour patrol]

Not surprised

[pseudo fiber]

Alongside Tanith, Catachan

[verbal burrow]

Subjective

[sour fossil]

Catachan plz

[sour patrol]

Commisar ciaphas Cain and all that

[sour patrol]

Yessss pls

With a bionic arm for the veteran

[tropic abyss]

catachan cosmetics
torso is just shirtless with some camo paint
that'd be 2900 + tip

[verbal burrow]

You can also send a bolter round with a 100% crit chance through the same skull

[pseudo fiber]

No Tanith is surprising given who wrote the games background lore

[sour fossil]

Sly Marbo enjoyer

[sour patrol]

Oh yeahhhhh

Abnett

[half path]

real

[sour patrol]

Forgot about that

[half path]

almost all the ranged weapons are pretty fun on vey

[sour patrol]

Tf kinda story is abnett writing for Darktide lol

[half path]

so its sad people just plasma one trick every match

[pseudo fiber]

He wrote the background lore as mentioned. Still is actually.

[primal dune]

I rarely see plasma in public lobbies

[sour patrol]

Fair, I kinda wonder how he’s gonna take things forward

Real shit

[verbal burrow]

Yes

[sour patrol]

I want a imperial navy breachers skin line

Idk how you’re gonna put an ogryn in an imperial navy suit but

Pls 🙏

[sour patrol]

Ok controversial take but I think eisenhorn is a bad starting point for warhammer, gaunts ghost is a little better, but infinite and the divine is the best starting point

[verbal burrow]

I play that and it is not that the other options aren’t good, it’s that they require effort while middle path is good and almost zero effort

[half path]

first books i read where the warhammer crime ones

i hope we get more

[verbal burrow]

My right wrist is kinda fucked up so it is indeed harder for me to do subtle movements to the cursor

[verbal burrow]

Vet can build their melee and their grenade path for horde clear, yes

[half path]

csword and psword two of the best horde clear weapons imo

[sour patrol]

Omg I really wanna get those tbh

I just finished reading kingmaker

[verbal burrow]

This game was made for masochists so I guarantee that is someone’s fetish and I am not going to kinkshame them.

[sour patrol]

I don’t wanna start on any of the Horus heresy books until someone can recommend me one that’s as good as helsreach 🤣

[verbal burrow]

And that

[half path]

helbore would be so good if its sight was better

[pseudo fiber]

As a lorenerd my thoughts are the next update will be about the Cult.

The main thing we've learned this year are about the moebian 6th and their origins and why they fell.

Rolling steel introduced the 53rd and they were sent by lord Margrave and following scab lore the nobles aren't existed... squeaky clean, ontop of that Rinda is back. So I think that's what's next.

And we'd either go spireside or even lower in the Hive.

[sour patrol]

In terms of space marine centric books

[verbal burrow]

When you use the surgical blessing on the boltgun you can crit every shot and the target explodes

[sour patrol]

I agree. I hope the next major like “antagonist” will be a team actually, a team of like dark commune from 40K

[half path]

i saw a book i was interested in

forget its name

[pseudo fiber]

We've got some cultist name drops
Ermal in hab dreyko and uhhhhhhhh whatever the guy from the delisted video was called

[sour patrol]

Like I want to fight this

[pseudo fiber]

Gaunts ghosts very good btw I've been reading it

[half path]

but it was about tallarn desert raiders being assigned to an ice planet

[sour patrol]

Rinda’s essentially the one on the top left

Paint em yellow if you want em to be part of the cult or leave em as it is if they’re gonna be the moebian’s dark commune

[sour patrol]

Okay one thing about the 53rd

I was hoping Dukane wouldn’t be on the ship

Like

[half path]

exterminator was its name "The Tallarn Desert Raiders are out of their element as they are dispatched to an inhospitably cold planet. Trooper Larno Semic is assigned as driver to a Leman Russ Exterminator with a hostile crew, and ordered to escort important cargo across the frozen wastes. But when said cargo breaks loose, the crew must use all of their resources to survive in the midst of the icy storm."

[sour patrol]

In a sense that from rolling steel and initial impressions, I thought it would be cool if Dukane would just be kept in the dark the whole time about the mourningstar and the rejects’ true operations

Like Dukane’s in charge of the frontal assault right? Why would she need to know about inquisitorial business? I thought it would be cool to have her constantly underestimate the rejects, and have Rannick or Morrow keep trying to hide the true nature of their operations from her

Then slowly she’d catch on that they’re something more going on with Atoma, which is why the rejects are all here

Anyways that’s my thoughts on Dukane as a lore nerd🤣

[sour patrol]

Oooooh that sounds sick

[half path]

well there are a few reasons there.

atoma is a losing battle in her eyes and pooling resources could help
also i dont get the vibes she isnt traditional when it comes to procedure and battles seeing as she has taken command of a regiment

which isnt something commissars are known to do

we will find out in time whenever they introduce new character they tend to get more dialogue in missions down the line

like us finding out kayex was senile lol

[pseudo fiber]

But also maybe she is on the mourningstar to sew discourse (even if she doesn't know it)

She can disapprove of parts of the inquisitions plan. Cause hold ups. Cause problems and if a noble, a noble who happens to be in the cult, sent her here it'd be convenient

[half path]

there is nothing in her dialogue that really proves that things we have from her so far are trying to solve supply issues in the 53rd, getting the command uplink on the morningstar fixed, and us working and pushing with the 53rd to gain more ground on the planet

[pseudo fiber]

She is training rejectd

Not personally but the 53rd are helping.

[half path]

what i really hope is it leads to some more alive missions

like you know that mission in vermintide 2 when you arrive at the keep thats under siege

stuff like that would be so cool

[sour patrol]

Oooh yeah I mean I hope it leads to stuff like that

I really found the interactions between her and morrow interesting

Like the vibe that morrow’s deliberately trying to not give her so many details

[pseudo fiber]

Morrow is the goat so it makes sense

[sour patrol]

Maybe down the line we can have a mission where we conduct espionage against the 53rd👀

[pseudo fiber]

I think in like 4 years time though secrets of the machine god will be considered the most important story update funnily enough

[sour patrol]

Hell yeah

I think it would be awesome if like

We got a mission where a 53rd base is under attack

Then we have to go in under the guise of idk, securing the 53rd’s extraction or something

But in reality we’re being sent to conduct espionage

[half path]

tbf the entire warband has kind of been like this with everyone not in the inner circle

goes as far as things you can see like

"nah there isnt a second hive city"

"whats that over there morrow"

"shut up is what that is"

[sour patrol]

“There’s is no genestealers in the 2nd hive city”

[sour patrol]

Like maybe morrow/rannick could be sending us to find some dirt on Dukane

[half path]

the funny beloved psyker also has some voice lines saying the inquisition hasnt blew the planet up cause they are either looking for something deep under the hive or the source of chaos is deep under the hive so exterminatus wouldnt work

[sour patrol]

Morrow acting the softest he’s ever been towards the rejects since the carnival during rolling steel was somehow, really uplifting

[pseudo fiber]

Because he likes the rejects and us as acolytes

Almost someone everyone kinda does. Except like the nobles and sometimes rannick takes the piss

[half path]

he also has that line on hab dreyko end eveny where he tells mazozi if she doesnt hurry up and land we are dead

all the other people would just be like

oh 4 dead rejects

[sour patrol]

Morrow’s the goat ngl

Even warns the mourningstar about the commisar

[pseudo fiber]

It was so great

"I let you back chat me. Don't do it with her."

[half path]

meanwhile hadron has formally requested to kill us like 10 times

some of those for being .1 of a second late

[pseudo fiber]

But she also likes us

[sour patrol]

Or losing the servo skull for a second

[pseudo fiber]

She likes us in a way only she can

[sour patrol]

I’m pretty sure Brahms is the only one who hates our guts

[pseudo fiber]

We did the clandestine Gloriana mission and we're now her like 3rd favourite person

[half path]

"i wish i could send all of you away"

[sour patrol]

Ok but real shit what happened to the armourer

[pseudo fiber]

From some old (leaked dialogue) she may grow to like us too.

This may have been cut but there's a kinda vendor dialogue where she offers to hire you.

[sour patrol]

Awww cute

[pseudo fiber]

I think Brahms hates Grendyl lol

Well she does

You're a consequence of that

[sour patrol]

Where’s my elucidian starstrider outfits Brahms 🥺

Give them to me

Ok to be fair we already have a rogue trader skin line

[pseudo fiber]

We do and it's pretty dang good

[sour patrol]

But it’s modeled after the owlcat RPG(?) I want my proper starstrider outfit

[half path]

there is a cadian vet voice line that im pretty sure is recorded wrong involving brahms

he says

"the shipmistress and brahms there is a story there dont you think"

but brahms is the shipmistress

[pseudo fiber]

It kinda is? There are no Ogryns in rogue trader though so

[sour patrol]

Speaking tangentially about warhammer and owlcat and video games, wouldn’t it be amazing if Larian did a dark heresy game 😁 one can only dream

[sour patrol]

True

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe he meant seneschal?

[pseudo fiber]

Going from hasbro to games workshop nightmare development rotation

[sour patrol]

Don’t think an ogryn would look good in this aesthetic now that I think about it

[half path]

recent GW licensed games have cooked

[sour patrol]

Everyone else would go hard tho

[pseudo fiber]

Doesn't mean they're good to work with though

[half path]

rogue trader, darktide and space marine 2 ( we dont talk about its recent terrible update)

[pseudo fiber]

I mean you've heard why we can't take our shirts off

[sour patrol]

I think Hasbro would be much more of a nightmare than GW. Feels like GW gives game creators much more leeway

[pseudo fiber]

Why ogryns have so few weapons

Why there aren't storm bolters in sm2

[sour patrol]

They’re 100% coming

[bold patrol]

people mad bout sm2 update xD

[sour patrol]

I wanna see if they put the desolation marine rocket launchers into SM2 lol

[pseudo fiber]

They aren't game director said gw wanted them on terminators only

[sour patrol]

HUH

[pseudo fiber]

And we're not gonna get a terminator class

[sour patrol]

Wait

Can heavy intercessors take storm bolters?

[half path]

the update was far to heavy handed

[sour patrol]

On the tabletop?

[sour patrol]

I meannnnn I kinda see why😅 it wouldn’t really make sense to see a reiver demolish a terminator in multiplayer

[pseudo fiber]

I don't believe

[bold patrol]

i havent played the new update tbh

[pseudo fiber]

To this.

[bold patrol]

kinda wish there was some more depth to the classes but still a great game

[sour patrol]

Hmmm honestly that’s probably why

[pseudo fiber]

They can take the heavy bolt rifle though which is interesting.

But you can't in sm2

That's probably a balance thing

[sour patrol]

Can you imagine if Larian makes a dark heresy game tho

[pseudo fiber]

It'd probably be awesome

[sour patrol]

I’d settle for a WH fantasy RP video game but that’s DEFINITELY a legal nightmare

[pseudo fiber]

I feel fantasy is a better medium for a crpg
Except outside of like the context of rogue trader which is obviously taken

[sour patrol]

Yeah, shame about the whole crucible games/games workshop fiasco

Oh well there’s always soulbound from AOS right guys 🤣🤣🤣

I never thought I could play a TTRPG that made your character power up faster than DnD 5e

Until Soulbound

Soulbound gives you power ups like goku ngl

[keen sedge]

could i get opinions on this volley fire boltgun build i've been using

[slow spade]

I suggest you move the +1 stam node for the +5% speed node. Probably better overall if you simply move faster. Also I'd drop Surgical as you're not going for any crits and pick up Puncture instead

I'd also replace Flak for Maniac if you don't -1hit kill flamers

or Elite damage if you do as you're likely not hitting flak unless you're just mag dumping

[keen sedge]

I will be honest, I feel I'd get less value from puncture since I'm 1-tapping nearly everything

but makes sense for maniac

[slow spade]

the problem is if you're already 1-tapping then why Surgical anyways? Might as well get Puncture to save ammo on the targets you may have somehow hit a limb on

obligatory bosses too

[radiant chasm]

Basically gets all the edge cases

Like dreg gunner

Oh

[keen sedge]

Better crusher and maulers damage

[radiant chasm]

Nvm it’s boltgun

[keen sedge]

that i why I took it

[radiant chasm]

Yea boltgun if you want puncture you then have to take shattering impact

[slow spade]

I too hate armor

Fatshark pls make DoTs ignore armor again UwU

[keen sedge]

Like puncture is gonna do jack shit against a crusher

[slow spade]

indeed

not disagreeing with you as you stated a pretty good reason

was thinking you would melee them but Chainsword vs crushers is hmmmmm

[keen sedge]

Its not bad but its like

tedius

and risky

[slow spade]

risky is the main problem :c

especially when you can just not take risk

[keen sedge]

I bring the chainsword since it just stupidly versitile

Great horde clear and I also like being able to one tap specials

I mainly use it for those two reasons

[slow spade]

"one tap specials" brb meleeing the trappers UwU

sawing mutants in half never gets old

[keen sedge]

i mean, it can one tap all of them with the ability

[slow spade]

I know just joking :p

seems like your build is fine imo

obligatory "oh chainsword really wants attack speed"

but I doubt you can afford to get Trench Fighter

[keen sedge]

I've been doing fine without trench fighter, not to see it isnt good

[slow spade]

yeah I personally just think its too much opportunity cost to get

but I can definitely see why chainsword would want attack speed

5 points minimum for you :c

[formal hamlet]

What's the dump stat on plasma gun?

[tame lodge]

71 charge
69 thermal resist

Everything else 80

[formal hamlet]

Oh, that seems a bit unusually specific. How come plasma’s dump stat is like that?

[slow spade]

because none of them are dump stats

its just minimizing losses

[formal hamlet]

I see.

[slow spade]

Charge Rate affects attack speed

Thermal resist is your heat gen

it is what it is

[formal hamlet]

Also I’ve been running nothing but the same power sword on vet since the game came out. What are vet’s best melee options nowadays?

Wanna mix up my melee game a bit.

[slow spade]

if you mean the Mk3 power sword, the Mk6 is basically superior in every way

Rashad is the best overall melee option

[formal hamlet]

Lemme check.

Yeah mine is mk6.

[slow spade]

you're good then

[formal hamlet]

I’m running power cycled and wrath on it, that okay?

[slow spade]

Rashad, Dueling Sword, MK6 combat knife, Psword are what I hear are really good picks

[slow spade]

get Brutal Momentum, its just superior to Wrath

as long as you aim for the head that is

[formal hamlet]

I try.

[dire olive]

MkIV chainaxe kinda slept on

[slow spade]

Yippie c:

[full nacelle]

was revolver stealth nerfed? I swear I used to be able to onetap crushers...

[dire olive]

I love stunning anything with lights

[formal hamlet]

Rashad the combat axe yeah? I tried that in my Zealot and quite liked it. Is it solid for horde clear though? I tend to use my melee for huge groups of trash mobs mainly, since my primary is usually Helbore, plasma, recon, boltgun etc.

[slow spade]

also idk when you last played, but Psword has a new option in their moveset. The Push attack does huge single target damage

[formal hamlet]

I legit never ever use the push attack on any melee because I forget it exists.

[full nacelle]

one of the best horde clear weapons in the game... love it

[slow spade]

It'll be your best friend vs carapace and bosses

[formal hamlet]

Bear in mind I normally play on difficulty 4 so missions are fairly casual, but I’m trying to get better so I can tackle higher tier missions with friends.

[slow spade]

btw I should be clear that Rashad's performace is overall better than Psword except vs bosses

but Rashad needs skill points to really shine

[formal hamlet]

Duelling sword looks corny, though I’m sure it’s very strong. I think I got a good roll on a knife so could try that, dunno how good that’s gone be for horde clear though. Will keep an eye out for a good roll Rashad from now on.

[slow spade]

so it can be a bit inflexble due to REALLY wanting the node Trench Fighter

[formal hamlet]

That’s okay, honestly if it’s a boss I’m almost never using my sword anyway, I’m mag dumping with plasma or going for charge weak spot shots with hellebore etc.

[slow spade]

Dueling Sword horde clear is shit but they'll never touch you so its ok

[slow spade]

never hurts to have the funny "3000 damage in 1 swing" melee weapon

[full nacelle]

I just realized I need Long-range Assassin on Marksman's Focus for it. I had traded it out for Camo.

[tame lodge]

Nerfed back on Orthus Offensive

[full nacelle]

now I'm popping the big boys

[formal hamlet]

I thought Rashad had very vertical swings downward, am I mixing it up?

[slow spade]

all overhead strikes yup

the trick is Rashad gets brutal momentum

which lets you kill like 4 people per swing

[formal hamlet]

And my assumption was the good horde clear melees are the ones with nice big horizontal swings with good cleave?

[slow spade]

essentially yes

though Heavy Sword perfectly suits this role and people don't use it because you also want something to handle armor

[formal hamlet]

Why not just let their gun handle that? Is it just good practice to have both your weapons handle everything so you got no weaknesses?

[full nacelle]

rashad's horde clear comes from being able to delete all the trash with 1 to 2 swings

[slow spade]

Because your gun could be dry. Assuming perfect conditions is not a good idea in Darktide

you could also be swamped and can't afford to swap

[formal hamlet]

I have a good roll assault chain sword, catachan and shock maul, these no good?

[slow spade]

Rashad can kill maulers and crushers in 2-3 hits

ragers is 2

no harm in having a melee you know will dumpster anything you look at

[slow spade]

those are "usable" melee but not the best

[formal hamlet]

And just so I fully understand, power sword block attack does much higher damage than the normal/charge swings?

[slow spade]

for single target yes

[full nacelle]

even with builds that don't spec at all into melee, I still find the Rashad incredibly strong as a generalist/horde clear weapon

you just need to dodge more

[formal hamlet]

Good to know when dealing with armoured enemies.

[slow spade]

the push attack does like 3.5x more damage than a normal attack

if you have Maniac damage perk on the Psword, you can 1-hit kill mutants with the push attack

[formal hamlet]

And what makes the knife a solid melee? I need to find a good roll Rashad, but I do have a knife with good rolls, could use that in the meantime.

[slow spade]

Psword is raw damage output, Rashad is no weakness basically

[full nacelle]

the psword push attack also combos into a light attack, which is the easy oneshot combo for crushers/maulers/reapers

[slow spade]

extremely mobile, good damage output

[formal hamlet]

And I assume power sword is only good if you got it powered up, so a lot of 3 hits and bash to charge then repeat etc.

[slow spade]

knife has the problem with horde clear but apparently a good build can handle hordes

I personally never used knife and only heard about it

[slow spade]

yes

[hollow ibex]

knife also has worse build requirements than rashad

or arguably worse

sooo

[slow spade]

you can animation cancel the charge by blocking immediately

[formal hamlet]

I was considering a knife build with the right side of the talent tree, commando I think? A quick swap weapon build for fun, if that’s viable.

[slow spade]

so you can charge really fast if you need

[full nacelle]

Knife takes a lot more effort to be good but it's really good when it gets there

[formal hamlet]

I did not know this. I get my charge disrupted by attacks or having to dodge a lot which can feel cumbersome at times. Will practice that.

[full nacelle]

definitely viable! I run a melee-focused knife vet build sometimes

[slow spade]

yeah very handy, and because its blocking to cancel it you can block the attacks that would normally interrupt your charge

[formal hamlet]

You got a build for that I can use? Maybe I can do something like knife / revolver and just quick swap constantly.

[full nacelle]

Sure thing! Give me one sec to upload it onto the build site

[formal hamlet]

I run the same helbore build 90% of the time since release and I’m starting to get burned out from that, trying to find some variety.

[hollow ibex]

i'm impressed, found helbore soooo janky to run with

[full nacelle]

saaame

[hollow ibex]

and that's even with one motion

which was only recently added to the game

[full nacelle]

every time I try the Helbore thinking I might change my opinion on it

I get reminded why I don't use it

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it doesn’t seem to be very popular or meta, but I love tapping heads non-stop and the charge shots let me take down tankier enemies too. Bayonet gets used for melee more than my actual melee most of the time lol.

[hollow ibex]

me recently

[formal hamlet]

Personally I only use the light variant, tried the medium and heavy recently and I didn’t like them as much. Heavy especially felt quite bad.

[hollow ibex]

i think it's an acquired taste

[tame lodge]

It is

Heavy Variant might be my favorite weapon in the game

[formal hamlet]

But if our team is struggling I run plasma gun and it sorta feels like it does the same thing without having to be as accurate and better armour pen.

[slow spade]

plasma cannon when? UwU

[formal hamlet]

Is right side tree still considered bad nowadays?

[full nacelle]

I made a heavy variant build that uses smokes and exe stance

I want to test it but I'm afraid to get my heart broken again

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d54b140-74b9-4c4a-a7cc-6ecfc283bead/knife-vet-9

there's the knife build for ya

[formal hamlet]

Sweet, thanks bud, will give this a spin.

[hollow ibex]

To the contrary it’s good. Left side is the weakest atm

[full nacelle]

Oh hold up I messed one thing up

wait nevermind

you good

[full nacelle]

No problem! If you enjoy this playstyle knife zealot is an even crazier version

[formal hamlet]

Oh sweet. I’ve been running left today because I’ve been trying out the boltgun, I’m sure the build I put together is shit since I don’t know about damage break points and stuff, but it’s fun to use.

[formal hamlet]

Tried that on my zealot this week and it was very fun but also kinda exhausting to play like that lol.

I’m used to chilling and tapping heads.

Felt like I was on aderall with zealot.

[full nacelle]

It does take a LOT more brain processing power haha

Zealot is a trip

[hollow ibex]

Exec stance bolter can be a lot of fun, you’d just be a bit squishy if you’re not careful

[formal hamlet]

I kinda just mash left click on faces with knife while constantly running circles around enemies. No idea if that’s optimal but it works for Heresy

[full nacelle]

Nah that's... that's basically it

[formal hamlet]

[full nacelle]

dodge A LOT

stab A LOT

[formal hamlet]

Right, gonna go make that build and run some missions with it, cheers for the tips folks.

[full nacelle]

No problem! Godspeed!

[full nacelle]

Oh and you might already know but the push attack on the mk6 is REALLY good so make sure you're using that

[formal hamlet]

On the knife? Don’t think I’ve even seen what it looks like yet so will give it a try.

I’m just reading what some of these talents do since I’ve never played commando before, trying to see how it wants me to play.

[full nacelle]

Yep! It's their best single-target attack. You just spam push attack.

[formal hamlet]

Are smoke grenades any good?

Only ever used the other two.

[slow spade]

they're usable now

but not as good as the other 2

[formal hamlet]

Can snipers still see me through it?

[slow spade]

Frags are still the universally good nade

[slow spade]

no

[hollow ibex]

nah they just give up

[slow spade]

thankfully they made from "meme" to "usable"

[formal hamlet]

Good enough then.

[hollow ibex]

smoke nades are like bubble shield at home

[broken spade]

i am the biggest smoke nade hater

smoking bad

unhealthy

[verbal burrow]

Only thing I would change is dropping field improvisation and adopting grenade tinkerer, but that is a subjective opinion and not an objective rule

[verbal burrow]

I have just the thing. Psyker with Electrokinetic staff. It has a pretty novel special attack. I am sure it would add some variety.

[formal hamlet]

Actually I should show you guys my Hellbore build since I run it so much I should get you guys to optimise it for me if you are familiar with Helbore stuff.

[thick kestrel]

as people have mentioned, they're decent now but kind of niche.

they'll completely block snipers and stop regular shooters from targeting you. gunners will keep shooting into the smoke, but won't track your movement so you can use it to get out of the way.

the most useful element is that hound and trapper targeting is heavily reduced by smoke, so they'll need to run into/through the smoke in order to begin their attacks from very close range giving you more time to take them down or react.

[formal hamlet]

What's the best way to share my build with you guys? That games lantern site?

[thick kestrel]

generally you'll drop them at your feet to protect you during a big melee situation or lob them forwards to try and force shooters to break cover and come towards you/change position.

[slow spade]

I use the game lantern build editor

[thick kestrel]

it's also worth noting that you can be "in" the smoke near the edge of it's area and have good visability out while still getting the benefits of it's protection

think of the smoke as a weaker version of the psyker shield bubble which you can spam more often.

and use it accordingly :>

(it also staggers when it pops? which again isn't phenominal but it can come in handy)

[tame lodge]

They are good as long as you stay inside the smoke

[formal hamlet]

Mark V is the lightest version of the Helbore right?

[rare prawn]

dueling sword for vet, or is knife still better ?

[hollow ibex]

DS is better overall

and kinda dumb atm

[formal hamlet]

Game keeps crashing when I alt tab so making this on the site is killing me, but almost there.

It never used to be like this, only after I came back with the big itimization patch.

[elfin orchid]

my game occasionally changes its resolution when i alt tab

[slow spade]

expecting Darktide to be stable after a major patch?

[rare prawn]

what blessings/perks you like on it ?

[formal hamlet]

I like to pretend the opening cutscene with them going through the warp is how patch day feels.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d54c0c2-7b61-4de2-a580-2fa86da46cfa/veteran-designated-marksman?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Okay so this is basically my build.

Before I used to run executioners stance with Helbore, but after the big patch reset my talent points, I found a YouTube build and used that which runs shout instead.

[hollow ibex]

i do uncanny/riposte + cara/maniac

[rare prawn]

thanks, I will give it a shot

[formal hamlet]

People here always tell me YouTube builds are bad, so hoping you guys can help me refine that. I just want to get the most out of my Hellbore play seeing as it's what I mainly run.

[slow spade]

Remove Longshot, get One Motion (to the right at the top) instead

Longshot is shit due to its scaling

[formal hamlet]

Done.

[slow spade]

+0.6% damage at 13m (something like that) to +20% damage at 30m

Helbore should be more fluid with One Motion due to being able to pull it out faster

[formal hamlet]

For sure, though honestly I normally just bayonet 80% of enemies and only bring out the Power Sword if I'm totally swamped or heavy armoured specials somehow got in my face before I sniped them.

[potent canyon]

Consider Agile Engagement with helbores, it procs on the bayonet

[tame lodge]

You're also using the fast Helbore
Which doesn't really need WoF
But then again
Not a lot of good blessings

[rare prawn]

is hellbore usuable now ? like you are not trolling if you take it to aulric ?

[formal hamlet]

Yeah if there's not a better alternative I'll leave it on for now.

I don't think I've ever run Aulric in my life, but I don't think Helbore is considered 'meta'.

I normally run Heresy.

I hope I can still enjoy my Helbore as I work my way up to higher tier missions though. I think the crazier things get, the harder it becomes to be able to ADS and pop heads because you've often got zombies whacking you and knocking off your aim, I guess that's where Shout comes in handy though.

[rare prawn]

yeah in aulric everything has to be fast, you can face packs of like 10 shotgunners or 5 crushers

does it at least cleave like plasma ?

[formal hamlet]

Like shoot through multiple enemies? I think with charge shot yes, but I've only really noticed it against trash mobs, not sure if I get collateral shots like that against specials/elites.

[rare prawn]

ah I see so there is some cleave, but not infinite cleave like plasma

[formal hamlet]

Yeah, maybe better cleave on the heavier variants, I run the light one.

[elfin orchid]

only way i could see something designed like a sniper rifle like helbore being useable here is either by having comedic cleave or comedic rending plasma gun

[tacit glacier]

Dearest Vets,
How the hell do you use the Power Sword? Sincerely, a Zealot main

[formal hamlet]

It's a very satisfying weapon for me, but like I said earlier I feel like I could run plasma gun, and just hip fire on the move and still drop targets as easily if not easier. I put up with the extra effort because popping heads is very satisfying, but yeah, doesn't seem like it would scale well on higher tier missions where things can get very, very chaotic.

[elfin orchid]

youve summed it up pretty well

[formal hamlet]

For hordes, you push enemies away, power up the sword, animation cancel with block, and then do 2-3 slashes to cut through everyone like a knife through butter. That's how I use it generally, not sure if optimal.

Apparently the block attack stab is very good for dealing with more tanky targets. Make sure you're running power cycler blessing too, goes a long way to make the weapon feel good I think.

[still crater]

knife zealot is the fastest way to contract a repetitive strain injury as of yet

[tacit glacier]

Gotcha. I was going mid-tree 'cuz I like being shouty. Havent got enough mastery for the VI yet, may go with a diff weapon, dunno. 'ppreciate it

[still crater]

efficiency made manifest :)

[elfin orchid]

im gonna get carpal tunnel one of these days

[hollow ibex]

mods can fix that

well, mods can fix the clicking, but they won't fix carpal lol

mk6 knife also puts less strain on your fingers

[formal hamlet]

It's crazy what you can do with mods. I'm running vanilla, but my friend has mods to help with the minigames, he has a mod that lets him run sights and put a laser on his Helbore or other guns, he has a scoreboard and sends me a screenshot post-mission on our performance, it's nuts.

[hollow ibex]

i have literally 40 mods installed

too many damn good mods out there

[formal hamlet]

My other friend hates that he can do all that. "This isn't how the game is meant to be played! "

[hollow ibex]

enjoy the carpal tunnel then

[formal hamlet]

Gotta say, having a nice red dot sight on my Helbore is very enticing.

[broken spade]

having good crosshairs is worth it

[tame lodge]

Those aren't really threats to Helbore

[elfin orchid]

i dont actually have much of a problem with repetitive clicking im just jokin

[hollow ibex]

for now. carpal tunnel is no joke. take care of your hands

[formal hamlet]

As veteran I don't even consider shotgunners a "special", though they do annoy me on my zealot when I'm trying to get in close with melee lol.

[hollow ibex]

no game is worth carpal tunnel.

[formal hamlet]

It's running into 6-8 crushers up close, or those carapace humanoids with the axes.

[elfin orchid]

theyre elites

not specials

[formal hamlet]

I always forget the difference.

In my brain there's "trash mobs" and "specials" basically. And Bosses I guess.

[broken spade]

elites melee or shoot you in very normal ways

specials attack you in special ways

[formal hamlet]

So the scav machine gunners are elites for example?

[broken spade]

yeah

[formal hamlet]

Gotcha, makes sense.

[elfin orchid]

they can be obnoxious if they dont join the horde but they usually do and at range in isolation theyre very easy to dodge

[broken spade]

I think the only thing that's semi confusing with this description is sniper
snipers are specials, despite just shooting people

[hollow ibex]

if ten of them show up, you can get deleted very very quickly if you're not careful

elites are just shit that's pre-existing on the map, and not normal trash fodder

[broken spade]

but the rest of the specials are very obviously specials with grabs or fire

[hollow ibex]

specialists are the shit that spawn and try to put you in a net

[tame lodge]

You haven't felt true fear until you have 15 of them when you're the last one standing

That was fun

[hollow ibex]

best part is getting ping ponged by their shots into a crusher overhead

[formal hamlet]

I had a mutant save my life yesterday.

One of those suicide bombers was about to wreck my health.

Picked me up, tossed me out of the AOE.

Absolute bro.

[hollow ibex]

well sometimes they'll do the opposite