veteran-class

[tall torrent]

But plasma is not the only one that needs nerf

There’re things that need harder nerfs than plasma

[shadow dagger]

is pswords subpar dodges just bad enough to magnify my poor dodge discipline or is this mf actually doggy doodoo regardless of how much i wanna force myself to dodge properly

[mental halo]

the name Xen sounds like a Vtuber name

[shadow dagger]

i am getting cooked

[deft crystal]

M1 psyker
Gunker assail
stealot flamer dueling sword/knife
Voc vet

[tall torrent]

It’s bad enough that you’ll get punished for mistiming dodges

[tropic notch]

Weapon specialist helps with the dodges

[mental halo]

i feel like lasguns are weak

[tall torrent]

VoC is a multi-step problem

It’s not just CD

[earnest bone]

well there's easy solution for nerfs is to NEVER allowed yellow toughness to regenerate, but that will put VoC into trash tier

just for downed revive only

[primal dune]

assail daughter or shout son

[tall torrent]

I think nerfing the overtoughness value itself, adjusting tactical awareness’s value to be %scale (and limit how many times it can proc between ability uses) would be enough

[tall torrent]

I think nerfing overtoughness value itself would be better

Make it give like 10 overtoughness

Just enough that you’ll have gold toughness to take any 1 hit

Then ur back in punishment realm

[earnest bone]

maybe, they could try 20 at first

then see how it goes

maybe 20 is +- alright

not 40-50

[tall torrent]

10~20 is my estimate

50 allows u to take like 3 hits in some situations it’s crazy lol

[tall torrent]

Zealot is weird
Zealot’s tree needs a rework imo

[shadow dagger]

im working with this so uhh

[tall torrent]

It’s not flat nerfs or buffs

Zealot’s whole tree is wack

[shadow dagger]

its gonna be rough if i wanna grab weapon specialist

[earnest bone]

its okay id say, but some talents are just too much garbage

some talents need a complete rework

like martyrdom CD

[tall torrent]

Zealot has like
1 build
And pretty much everything are just variations from it

[mental halo]

im not good with builds really :/

[dry cloak]

They arent

[earnest bone]

c'mon it's 3
(all 3 keystones) and variations around them depending if you go Throwing Knives, Grenades and YES/NO TWBS

[dry cloak]

That being?

[tall torrent]

I’m genuinely curious who decided that putting until death + holy revenant + duellist + desperation on the same aura pathing is a good idea

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

Throwing knife -> benediction -> FotF -> sustained assault

[dry cloak]

No

[mental halo]

i was thinking of the other lasgun

[dry cloak]

There are 3 types of lasguns

[dry cloak]

Flame nade book the middle aura plus marty

[mental halo]

i was talking about the Accatran Mk II Recon Lasgun

[dry cloak]

Tru then on gunker or exe stance vet with shock trooper

[tall torrent]

Middle aura’s pathing is like
10x worse than benediction

[earnest bone]

Loner aura also need a rework

[tall torrent]

Fire nade is ok but throwing knives are just insane, with better pathing nodes

[dry cloak]

Ok meta slave

[tall torrent]

Martyr is point tax hell

[tall torrent]

I was gonna say “every good zealot build”

[earnest bone]

Throwing knives are weapon dependant, they are required for something like Flamer or Bolter

but if you run braced, columbus XVII or revolver

you can skip

[mental halo]

i rather go with the bolter

[tall torrent]

Second wind too good + easy pathing

[earnest bone]

tho for revolver its fine to use between shots

[shadow dagger]

5 shots, a longass reload, and no staged reload

[earnest bone]

momentum node (3 keystone gives enough points) to allow fire grenades

[dry cloak]

I said try those builds. If you prefer bolter then you do

[tall torrent]

Zealot starting branch is just so heavily loaded in top right
Then for aura pathing it’s almost all stacked on left

[shadow dagger]

stacking revolver with knives feels fine

[earnest bone]

what i want them to do is to allow stun grenades to at least stun bosses

its stupid

[deft crystal]

THis is my zealot

[dry cloak]

I play throwing knives with thammer

[deft crystal]

hold on

[mental halo]

bolter and a chainsword

[dry cloak]

Ok

[earnest bone]

when Krak can do it and deal like 8k damage, but Stun nade

cant even stun

[primal dune]

bolter and chainsword

[deft crystal]

Stealth dueliung sword with flamer

for brittle stacks on bossed

[tall torrent]

@lavish token

[primal dune]

Zealot invasion in my vet safe space? More likely than you think

[deft crystal]

IM A VET MAIN

I PROMISE

[dry cloak]

I get why peoplw as for zealot advice everywhere except zealot chat

[deft crystal]

I GOT MY AURIC SURV ON VET AND PSYKER

[earnest bone]

wait for psykers m1 invasion

[dry cloak]

Because zealot chat is only anime girls recently

[deft crystal]

This isnt for advice

This is just the best build

Trust

Source: trust me bro

[earnest bone]

Source: Tanner

[mental halo]

what voices you guys like best?

[primal dune]

lol true

[tall torrent]

You wish buddy

[deft crystal]

oh wait

im done

uim dum dum

[dry cloak]

Tanner is a sweaty femboy that hates fun

[deft crystal]

the flamer is meant to have penetrating flame which applys 1 to 4 stacks of 1% brittleness for 5 secs and stacks 20 times

Not everlasting

[tall torrent]

Why do u need penetrating flame if u have a duelling sword

[deft crystal]

Yea

thats what im sayin

[tall torrent]

That’s like the same logic as taking onslaught to magdump crushers with a recon when u have a duelling sword

[earnest bone]

and why there's desperation + momentum toughness regen when you can get until death + holy revenant

DS has enough damage as it is

[primal dune]

Why even have a gun when you have a dueling sword

[deft crystal]

Based

[primal dune]

Just get a second DS

[earnest bone]

akimbo lessgo

[deft crystal]

Double dueling sword

like a rager?

seems

heretical

[earnest bone]

grails knights VT2

no ranged wep

all melee weps

[dry cloak]

I mean shock trooper

[deft crystal]

Listen

the boss dmg go brrrrrrrt

I do 3 vegs

and i want that dmg

also until death = crutch

Just do proc it

dont*

[tall torrent]

[deft crystal]

(says the voc vet)

IM SORRY BUT THE OTHER TWO NEED A BUFF

Like voc is just outperforming

[dry cloak]

Yes voc i overperforming

[primal dune]

Infil is fine i'd say

VoC just needs some big toning down

[dry cloak]

Because it is

[primal dune]

Stance could use a leg up aswell

[dry cloak]

Exe stance needs a boost

But i find exe stance useful on some builds

[deft crystal]

las build

[dry cloak]

Sniper boltgun or vigilant autorifle build

[serene bough]

Who makes these cards

[oblique totem]

Is there any real solution to rager spam?

[primal dune]

Dodge back and shoot em

Dueling sword special can interrupt them aswell

[tidal rapids]

Nothing that can't be solved with a timed application of VoC and then gunning them down with recon lasgun

[verbal burrow]

Scythe through the entire conga line with a plasma gun

Or VoC them

Or frag grenade spam

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-nod-agree-gif-10967603976673089572

[verbal burrow]

Or literally just one ogryn with a slab shield

Staggers em

The ogryn can also roleplay a rock while the team kills them at their leisure

Perma block psyker can replace the slab shield ogryn

[sturdy karma]

a marksman focus vraks IAG mulches them

[verbal burrow]

Marksman can rip them up with many weapons

[sturdy karma]

Hip fire dum dum and the other close combat perk anything gets mown down as it runs in

Applying brittleness with onslaught at the same time even crushers fall over in that fire frenzy

[dry cloak]

Shotguns

[verbal burrow]

Very aquaman

[dry cloak]

What do you mean very aquaman

I feel like shotguns are underrated

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-gif-8384741647787006615

[normal river]

tactical axe can stun them

[tropic notch]

The combat ones aren’t the atm but the double barrel is a solid choice

[dry cloak]

I use combat shotguns regularly and they feel good

Exe stance agrip shotgun

[verbal burrow]

Shotguns’ original unboxing was done by the US Marines during WW1

[woeful ibex]

Grenades and Fire Bombs from Zealot Mains

[grand perch]

Shooting them a lot

[earnest bone]

i tried grenade meme build for first time (ms)

i wonder if i should just drop boltpistol for a normal ranged gun, idk how impactful it actually is

[dry cloak]

Bistol is a normal ranged gun

[wet ether]

i love the mod auto loot

[rocky jacinth]

the lethal proximity blessing affects grenade explosions

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-pipebomb-throw-you-gif-8675931137970734740

[serene bough]

Bistol w/ lethal proximity is reason enough to include in ranged build

[thick kestrel]

What do you run alongside LP out of curiosity? I've mainly ran mind DMR style with surgical/DA O_o

[glacial mist]

what blessings do you guys put on your blade

is flesh tearer + riposte good?

[tame lodge]

Run n Gun

[tame lodge]

There are better options

Uncanny Riposte

Uncanny Mercy Killer (needs serrated blade talent)

Precognition Mercy Killer

But if you really really really want Flesh Tearer

[glacial mist]

i mean

what does precog even do anyway

what is finesse vs crit chance

8 stacks of bleed seems strong to me

but i cant make head nor tails of some of the stuff

[glacial mist]

this is what my blade have rn

[wet ether]

question is there iframes when dodging?

[tame lodge]

Extra weakspot, critical and critical weakspot damage
That's finesse

[glacial mist]

gotcha thanks

[tame lodge]

Zealots can afford going Riposte Precognition

Ok but if you really really really want Flesh Tearer

Then pair with mercy killer

And like Reciprocity talent

For more crits

You'll most likely kill your target before the bleed does anything

[half path]

I have a question I need to know if im crazy or not.

[stable wolf]

are the any guides for curios?

[half path]

So you know characters have the voice lines they direct at other characters when they get a lot of kills in a short period of time?

is it just me or does cadian vet have absolutely zero of those voice lines for psykers

[stable wolf]

It has them

"look at that fragging Psyker go!"

[half path]

paths guide that is pinned also talks about curios

[stable wolf]

cheers

[half path]

thats professional vet, not cutthroat (cadian)

[stable wolf]

ah, oki

[wet ether]

why the fuck does iron will feel like it does fuck all sometimes

[iron marten]

they do! One of lines is, "Accident or skill, Witch?"

[placid portal]

Looks ahead, assail shard.
Accident it is

[half path]

oh ye i completely forgot about this one

[iron marten]

I'm still trying to think of more, but I keep thinking of Professional vet lines instead

[primal dune]

Keep killin' witch

[half path]

that is another one

so turns out i am in fact crazy

[tropic abyss]

we could do with more voice lines

specially the interactions of ogryn brawler with the cadian, give some more like those for the vet and the loose cannon

[wet ether]

Seriously does it feel like iron will doesn’t work sometimes?

[tropic abyss]

yes, it only works when above 75% tou

[spice ferry]

Does “add 10% rending” talent work with range weapons? Is it good?

[half path]

all weapons im sure

and rending is good i like it

[primal dune]

Rending is basically or or nothing

[tropic abyss]

it even works on grenades

but it depends a lot on weapon

[half path]

ye

[tropic abyss]

some get more benefit than others

[primal dune]

Stack a bunch of it or don't bother, with the exeption of onslaught which is good on it's own

[wet ether]

Personally iron will could use a buff make it 50% instead of 75%

[tropic abyss]

I will agree, but only because I always use that node and I don't mind making it better

[half path]

if you want a jumping off point with talents paths guide rates them from always good to never good

[wet ether]

Any veteran worth there salt would use that node

[half path]

idk i feel iron will is good as is and making it any better is busted

[primal dune]

I agree

Especially considering it's next to tac awarness

[slow spade]

they should flip the numbers

75% resist at 50% toughness

[half path]

now your coping

[tame lodge]

Hmm yes lemme face tank every ranged enemy while constantly regenerating toughness

[lavish token]

No until death crit chance on weapon riposte is not needed

[slow spade]

the numbers are right there, it'd be so easy UwU

[lavish token]

“Iron will could use a buff” lmao

[slow spade]

agreed UwU

[glacial mist]

75% TDR at 30%+ T leggo

[sturdy karma]

What class do you guys play when your not machine gunning heretics as VET

[crude fiber]

How about make it toughness resist below a certain toughness to make it only useful for ranged attacks

[tropic abyss]

how about no?

leave it as is

[slow spade]

none of them

[sturdy karma]

Was trying zealot it felt squishy, ogryn feels slow and clumsy not leveled a psyker to max yet so don’t know how they feel

[crude fiber]

Nonsense, we need unnecessary changes

[tame lodge]

I don't vet

[crude fiber]

Psyker can feel really good once you get into the flow of things, zealot is fun if you can manage to avoid long range fights

[slow spade]

I played them to understand how they play

then never played them again

[tropic abyss]

zealot is good

not as fun as soldier boy

I wish ogryn was less slow to play

he's cool

but so painfully slow all the time

[slow spade]

??? he has the same speed as everyone else

[tropic abyss]

he feels slow

you're always heavy attacking with melee too, which is also slow

[frank monolith]

Dodge crit if toughness chunk use ability

[slow spade]

heavy attck keystones >:)

[tropic abyss]

I'm not max level yet

[stable wolf]

Gun Lugger/Dakka Ogryn is fun as hell

[tame lodge]

My honest pseudo infinite cleave Unstoppable Force Cleaver 6 reaction

[sturdy karma]

Gun lugger feels fun but I feel I should be in the thick of melee so the small guys can rain dps

Maybe I’ll build tanky instead of pure heavy attack melee

[stable wolf]

Ripper gun can do that

go up front and unload, use the bayonet

idk if its meta or anything but its fun

[slow spade]

basically the same build

as heavy attack = toughness

[sleek garden]

Just take feel no pain at the last second instead of heavy hitter

[slow spade]

Feel No Pain loses stacks really fast so I personally take Heavy Hitter instead

[sleek garden]

I took taunt shove so I can save my buddies from crusher walls

[sleek garden]

I take the modifier that gives back a stack on push

I have lots of stamina

And your pushes stagger ragers maulers etc

[slow spade]

I figured the +10% attack speed on heavy attacks translated into enough toughness regen to compensate (to due toughness on heavy attacks)

[sleek garden]

I have been using a latrine shovel with thrust and crunch

I don't think attack speed would help me personally

Perhaps it works well with cleavers

[slow spade]

I use it with Shield

its nice being able to time the special to block overheads

[frosty falcon]

shatteting impact on bolter any good?

[sleek garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1298823369851928678/1298823396116660255/image.png?ex=671b9fcc&is=671a4e4c&hm=855dcb456314cf10330ef72b4f1b67b3b7148a92f71a42c5a6b3a9ae300c2117&

Auric Maelstrom

I was Derbie with an agripinaa revolver and devils claw

The dude with a million damage had a staff m1 build

Agripinaa is good fun

[ivory rock]

So still getting used to new update cause I have only played like 2 matches lmao but since the percents shown are the "potential" of the weapon does this revolver seem okay? I know reload speeds low but Vet reload passives should make up for it right? Everythin else havin 79/80 potential is promising? Unless I misunderstand potential

[umbral parrot]

63 blocks? You must love melee

[tropic abyss]

that's almost perfect roll, if you want to dump reload

[slow spade]

Not really, it only really helps vs Carapace but you generally want to melee them instead

[ivory rock]

aight nice, how do I get the crit bonus up? Just by consecratin or

[tropic abyss]

it's either consecrete or empower, the second option on the shrine of our beloved Omnissiah

I forget the name...

for weapons you can get perfect rolls without much effort, so if you want to minmax a bit more you can get perfect 80s/60

[ivory rock]

Okay niceeee

Will check it out

[tropic abyss]

just checked, it's empower

consecrete is the first one, the one that increases the colour

[ivory rock]

[sleek garden]

It's a catachan sword, parries count as blocks

[arctic rampart]

I did try power sword again following hotfix. It's definitely back to normal. Not just activation-when-already-activated but seems less likely to knock you out of the activation too.

[terse moon]

what is good all round weaponis vet?

[slow spade]

the best is Rashad

no real weakness

except you need to invest some points to make it that strong

[arctic rampart]

@terse moon depends on your ranged weapon and preferred keystone. top choices : knife, dueling sword, power sword, rashad. runner up: catachan, chain sword, chain axe (huehue). did I forget any?

[viral nacelle]

Shock maul underrated

Very nice defensive option

[arctic rampart]

oh yeah, shovel too is potential s tier

[viral nacelle]

Shovel is good but kinda awkward

[arctic rampart]

There's some person that keeps insisting one of the tac axes is not terrible too

[tropic abyss]

shovel is good

good shovel

dig holes, thunk heretics

[terse moon]

im not sure havent played vet in ages

i used recon lasgun back hwen i played it

[full nacelle]

I wish standard shovel didn't struggle so hard against any kind of armor

[uncut pebble]

Mk2, I believe, and it "isn't terrible" because it has insane crit adms.

[full nacelle]

I love the idea of being a shovel knight

[uncut pebble]

Use uncanny strike?

[full nacelle]

it helps, but it's still not going to kill a crusher anytime soon

[uncut pebble]

You'll kill it a lot faster than without.

And with weapon spec + trench fighter drill you become a human blender with SI shovel.

[full nacelle]

My main issue is there are so many other melee weapons that already do that but better

[uncut pebble]

It might take 12 swings or whatever to kill a crusher but when you swing that many times in a super small amount of time, it makes it trivial.

[arctic rampart]

make sure you take voice of command, iron will, superiority complex, confirmed kill, desperado talents @terse moon. I really feel like vet feels so much stronger with 200 toughness voice-of-command. 3x ability cooldown curios asap

oh yeah "tactical awareness" too, really key talent

[tropic abyss]

it's fine against flak

[arctic rampart]

do you take flak damage on shovel?

[full nacelle]

I can kill a crusher 3/4 times faster with other weapons

I feel like the only thing shovel has going for it is horde clear and staggering things that would already be dead with other weapons

[arctic rampart]

I feel the same TBH. Whenever I try shovel I just think its worse than other options. But a lot of people really like it. I think they just like the bonk sound and dont care lul

[earnest bone]

well at least it has uncanny, tell about strugling to heavy sword

[full nacelle]

Yeah don't get me wrong it's thematic as hell but I like my builds to be unique gameplay-wise

[arctic rampart]

It reminds me of crusher on zealot. Why not just kill them instead but ragdolling/bonk is fun

[full nacelle]

truuueee... this is why I'm a duelling sword main

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/тримушкетера-три-трое-мушкетер-почтение-gif-17249431

[full nacelle]

I wanted to make a build that leaned into staggering and "tanking" for the team by keeping everything knocked on its butt

but it just ain't that good

[earnest bone]

im mk1 main tho, as i find DS4 horde clear is not to my liking. I bring DS4 to every Scab melee Mael tho

[arctic rampart]

if you want to stagger everything play space wizard

[full nacelle]

yeah exactly... other setups do it with more damage

[full cairn]

I found the Combat Axe to be fantastic for dealing with ragers and berserkers due to the special jab that interrupts. Then overhead heavies and sweeping lights

[earnest bone]

Its funny that you missed the times

when heavies did zero damage

[full cairn]

Wait huh?

[earnest bone]

Yeah, for like 1+ year heavy attacks did 50% less damage than light ones against Maniac enemies

it was changed recently

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, the maniac ADM was awful.

[arctic rampart]

https://media.tenor.com/CQAGV-5egn0AAAAM/hmm-suspect.gif

[uncut pebble]

You were better off light spamming to kill maniacs.

[full cairn]

Ngl I got back into Darktide by playing Zealot this last update, but Veteran with Plasma Rifle was my jam

Are we ever getting a plasma pistol?

[earnest bone]

probably

[tropic abyss]

mk I shovel can do that too, and the stab is much faster

[arctic rampart]

Forget plasma pistol where's my melt gun

[full cairn]

Melta pistol would be fun

[earnest bone]

doubt FS can do a melta

unless they really did bring new mechanics

[arctic rampart]

I'm thinking new class, melt gun

gimp class but it has melt gun

[uncut pebble]

They could easily make a melta by just making a shotgun with a fixed spread, mechanically speaking.

[sturdy karma]

New class tech priest with a melt gun

[full cairn]

I wanna get back on my Veteran and redo his build

[tropic abyss]

skitarii class when?

[arctic rampart]

shotguns suck in this game so much. those bastards ruined that fantasy

[full cairn]

Nah tbh the 4 classes are good at the moment

[uncut pebble]

Db is great, combat shotguns have been power crept like hell.

[sturdy karma]

Double shotty is hell fun

With doom slayer build

[uncut pebble]

Zealout and ogryn are vastly underpowered compared to vet and psyker now.

[arctic rampart]

its fun but its worse than other builds so its not long-term fun

[full cairn]

I mean like a 5th class isn’t needed

[uncut pebble]

Mostly due to point taxes and shite pathing in talent trees.

[arctic rampart]

zealot underpowered???? WUTTT

[full nacelle]

I want tech priest class with support drones

Zealot underpowered?

[sturdy karma]

Zealot is prob the biggest clutch class

[uncut pebble]

Compared to vet and psyker? Yeah, zealout is underpowered.

[tame lodge]

It's funny because shotguns feel better in DT than most games out there

[full nacelle]

Zealot has a worse tree but there is no way its underpowered

[tame lodge]

Minimum pellet my beloved

[uncut pebble]

We have a whopping 3 talents that are must haves and not taking them means youre throwing, so you get little to no build variety.

[full nacelle]

just depends on your build

[white girder]

You just aren’t playing zealot properly

[full cairn]

But tbh my Zealot is a great hybrid of damage and crowd control with the charge ability and branching into the middle for the passive

[uncut pebble]

I will not hear such nonsense like that.

[tropic abyss]

tech priest class, can equip any weapon in any slot, has 3 arms, speaks with a voice synthesiser (making voice acting cheap, so we can have more lines)

can sprint backwards

can't jump

[sturdy karma]

If there is a time with 3 people down and 1 person needs to make a clutch save I’ll count on the zealot

[full nacelle]

Yeah exactly. The build variety is gimped because the tree layout is bad. Zealot's still strong if you're not gimping yourself.

Though they really shouldn't have to and I hope FS fixes them

[uncut pebble]

90% of the talents zealout has are bad.

Or at the very least are stuck behind terrible point taxes.

[full cairn]

I did that last night for Karnak Twins with my twin stubber Ogryn build

[full cairn]

Definitely not playing Zealot right

[earnest bone]

the sprint efficiency one is funny

[uncut pebble]

Like, for example, sainted gunslinger and shield of contempt are great, but they're stuck behind awful talents.

[uncut pebble]

Again, I will not hear such nonsense like this.

[pine cloud]

Immolation grenade is fun

[uncut pebble]

If your only refute is "you're not playing the class right" then you have no refute. I am speaking solely in facts; most zealout talents are worthless.

[arctic rampart]

zealot is probably the strongest class, not joking.

[full cairn]

I mean in all reality builds shouldn’t be just choosing 1 tree, my zealot is a carry by dipping into other paths.

[full nacelle]

but the reward for getting to those talents is so much greater... the entire tree needs a big rebalance tbh

[uncut pebble]

Grenades are fun, but tknives and the talents leading to them are so much better.

[sturdy karma]

Their auras are pretty awful

Aside from benediction

[full cairn]

I use Thunder Hammer/Boltgun and bolt gun shreds any enemy I want dead now and Thunder hammer is great crowd control with optional damage

[sturdy karma]

Loner and the corruption one are ass

[uncut pebble]

This is what I was getting at. There are some good talents but they're locked behind crappy talents that have little to no impact.

[pine cloud]

I'll main zealots once I finish with the Veteran Penance ... Eventually

[arctic rampart]

the problem with thunder hammer is that knife exists

and I guess now dueling sword too

[uncut pebble]

Hence why I mentioned sainted gunslinger and shield of contempt, specifically.

Excellent talents, locked behind shite ones.

[full nacelle]

Yeah I completely agree that the Zealot tree is a mess of a design, but I'd never call them "vastly underpowered" just vastly limited in build variety

[sturdy karma]

Knife stealth zealot can do nutty things

[pine cloud]

Why does everyone love using it ? Even in Veteran i see people use it

[sturdy karma]

The heavy stab is a one shot machine

[uncut pebble]

There is a very specific set of words you're neglecting to include. "Compared to vet and psyker."

[thorn plinth]

It's a weakpoint poker on the weakpoint class and Agile makes you very survivable if you know how to dodge

[full nacelle]

Super fun. You pop everything in the head like they're water balloons.

[tropic abyss]

it's broken OP

[earnest bone]

Im going with female Rainbow Six style

[pine cloud]

But isn't what every melee weapon does ? I usually go for chainsword

[sturdy karma]

It is super satisfying to stare down a mutant racing towards you and poke it in the eye

[full nacelle]

Yeah I still don't think they're "vastly underpowered compared to veteran and psyker" I think they're just vastly limited in build variety in comparison

[primal zealot]

Cus if you spam right click really fast it wiggles the sword around in the air and it’s funny

[pine cloud]

And watch them trip and fall

[sturdy karma]

With the ugggh sound effect

[thorn plinth]

H e h e h e, the true dueling sword tech

[pine cloud]

I'll give it a shot after i max out the other melee weapon mastery

[uncut pebble]

Idk man, chorus and shroudfield are pretty shit, and vet and psyker both get to take their pick from 3 strong abilities.

[full cairn]

This would be more accurate

[full nacelle]

It does it so much better and faster than any other weapon. It is the sniper rifle of melee weapons basically.

[primal zealot]

I’m gonna break my mouse doing that in every single elevator lol I need to macro it

[pine cloud]

I'll be damn

[sturdy karma]

Pretty sure mine could clap ragers too with a charged thrust heavy

[tame lodge]

Hard to find another weapon that pops head as hard and safe as Dueling Sword

[arctic rampart]

I've been using dueling sword a LOT. for me, it clicked for me with agile+uncanny on it. I was having problems with horde so I had to take off thrust :\

[thorn plinth]

The only thing I dislike about the wiggle is that other people can't see it

[sturdy karma]

Iv been running knife recently instead

[pine cloud]

Any weapon for me do just fine

[daring sage]

I am using the rashad caxe

[primal zealot]

lol they absolutely can tho wtf ??

[tame lodge]

Rampage is also an option

[full nacelle]

Go try duelling sword Stephanie. You got to try it for yourself and experience the power of being an unhinged head-poker.

[arctic rampart]

oh yeah, does it do a breakpoint on infested?

[thorn plinth]

No? Whenever I see another dueling sword block spam, they instantly swap between the fully raised and the lowered position, it doesn't wiggle, unless they don't know how to do it

[primal zealot]

Waste of a good blessing slot

[sturdy karma]

I’ll go between knife/rashad/chain axe/DS4

[primal zealot]

They don’t know how to do it

[pine cloud]

I'll try it after I mastery other weapons first, I'm doing them somewhat in order

[sturdy karma]

It’s satisfying to rev up and bleed out a bulwark

[pine cloud]

Plasma gun gonna be a pain to max it

[sage berry]

hey can someone recommend/link a comfy Vet build to get back into the swing of things, I´d like to play with the Lasgun

[sturdy karma]

The only one I didn’t enjoy with Vet was the shock maul

[tame lodge]

If you critspot with a light and rampage up it kills a walker

[full nacelle]

Chorus? Yeah, depends on how good your teammates are while you're preaching. But Shroudfield being shit?! I haven't heard that one before.

[arctic rampart]

plasma gun is super strong, why would it be a pain to max?

[pine cloud]

I haven't use it before, is it bad ?

[sturdy karma]

It felt slow to pull out

[primal zealot]

Do them alphabetically so you don’t get to the dueling sword after it gets nerfed, which it will because ppl are actually enjoying it

[daring sage]

Its pretty good imo

[pine cloud]

That's what she said

[arctic rampart]

shit its too early for that kind of talk avert your eyes emp

[earnest bone]

No, but it's from person to person, personally i think they are shit mid at best
They released together with Ogryns pickaxes and compared to those shock mauls are unfunny joke

[pine cloud]

I'll get there when I'll get there

[full nacelle]

Gotchu! I think you'll enjoy it

[sturdy karma]

I think I’m in the minority but I prefer the chain axe to the chain sword

[daring sage]

Some of the pickaxes are insane though

[full nacelle]

Shock Maul just felt clunky. Didn't feel like it did anything for me outside of its gimmicky stun special.

[arctic rampart]

yeah when the pickaxe came out all the ogryns stopped using cleavers instantly

[sturdy karma]

Chain axe light attacks feel like theve got some weight behind them

[earnest bone]

Yeah, that's what i said.

[daring sage]

Branx one shots basically everything and is good at horde clear

[pine cloud]

I wish I can dual wield a Chain axe on one hand and Chainsword on the other.

Then paint myself red

[sturdy karma]

Yeah it’s cumbersome it’s like the melee equivalent of pulling out a bolter

[full cairn]

Veteran chat becoming zealot chat lol

[slow spade]

psword fun c:

[arctic rampart]

the one that gets stuck in mobs on light attack?

[full cairn]

Last night I ran with a veteran that gave everyone two additional grenades and I was using the Ogryn Frag

So OP

[sturdy karma]

I can’t remember which mk might be the mk14

[arctic rampart]

I really wanted to like that one, the damage is stupid. But it got me mad lul

[full nacelle]

Zealot chat is just people spamming memes and ferret gifs. I like Zealot chat.

[earnest bone]

and anime girls

[thorn plinth]

As someone who's used Illisi on Psyker a lot and then swapped to Veteran, I don't really like PSword. But that's mostly because of the dodge efficiency. Why I instantly attached to Dueling Sword with Agile.

[primal zealot]

Zealot chat is honestly so sus

I’d be embarrassed to be a zealot main

[earnest bone]

[sturdy karma]

Ogryn chat is surprisingly high IQ

Almost ironic

[arctic rampart]

add duck & dive (obviously) and your stamina never runs out. note that you need high mobility (NOT 60%!) on dueling sword to get 5th dodge.

[earnest bone]

monke together stronk

[tame lodge]

It perfectly encapsulates the
"Zealots do Zealot things" saying

[full cairn]

So what you’re saying is Zealot is the class with all the fun?

Not even gonna sugarcoat it… “F”

[sturdy karma]

I heard duck and dive with the sprint blessing on auto guns is the way to grind out that reaper penance

200 hours and Iv dodged like 23 reaper bullets

[primal zealot]

Zealot makes a big deal about having fun

Ogryn just does it effortlessly

[thorn plinth]

But I need the dodging in melee, I don't need to dodge as much vs ranged

Why Agile is good because every time I get a weakpoint hit, my dodges reset

[arctic rampart]

true or false : zealots are the ones that rage quit the most after they go down in 30 seconds.

[earnest bone]

thats mostly pub knife zealots

[thorn plinth]

Knife zealots rushing forward, going down and then leaving

[arctic rampart]

are there any other kind? not for me. every zealot is a pub knifer

[sturdy karma]

I do that..: but I don’t leave

[arctic rampart]

I did see dueling sword zealots but they're still knife zealots just longer sword

[sturdy karma]

Leaving would let my team succeed. No they gon learn

[slow spade]

I see eviscerator zealots c:

[arctic rampart]

I haven't seen one since before locked & loaded.

[sinful palm]

I'm a zealot main

[daring sage]

Same

[slow spade]

I hope you get better

[atomic zephyr]

are the armageddon sets offsale?

[atomic zephyr]

my condolences

[faint beacon]

They shouldn’t till 2 weeks from now though they should be the end of 3 you can pick from

[sinful palm]

I lov dashing into them and screaming blood for the emperor skulls for the golden throne though

[arctic rampart]

I remember seeing a tactical axe shredder zealot a few months ago. He went down like 9000 times but didnt quit

[sturdy karma]

Having a good zealot on your team is good. Having a good psyker on your team you don’t actually get to play the game

[faint beacon]

^

[sturdy karma]

Dude just runs infront of everyone melting everything

[faint beacon]

Don’t get me started on M1 Staff macro users

[sinful palm]

Well i'm not playing stealth zealot with knife .

That runs 5 rooms ahead and die

[daring sage]

It’s so fucking boring to play with

[sturdy karma]

Is that with the void blast staff that shoots the fireballs?

[sterile charm]

whats the best ranged weapon for veteran

[slow spade]

they always die in such a way that even a nade throw/bolter can't save them

truly an artform

[sturdy karma]

I had a psyker who was basically a vraks IAg spamming fire balls

[arctic rampart]

what about M1 staff macro users, I would like to know more

oh, fullauto !

[slow spade]

a build that kills so fast that even my plasma couldn't kill faster than them

[terse idol]

Macro moment what theee

[faint beacon]

It’s smyker right

So already annoying

But 100x worse

You literally never get to have a single moment to actively engage with a horde

Absolute snooze fest

Genuinely the only build where I go out of my way to DC when I see one

[arctic rampart]

I like the smite psyker that use smite 5% of the time

[daring sage]

When i play damnation and there are people level 20-35 on my team i also think “here we go again”

[arctic rampart]

Is it me or is it so much fun to kill targets that have brain burst or krak grenade on them? anyone else go out of there way to kill that target asap

[sturdy karma]

Apparently while I’m trying to finish my armourbane penance everyone has anti crusher builds

[thorn plinth]

Basically why I have Brain Burst equipped mostly only for Kinetic Flayer

[earnest bone]

armorbane takes an eternity

[thorn plinth]

Can't stop my Brain Burst if even I don't know when it's happening

[sturdy karma]

Can it proc POW?

[primal zealot]

You say that like armorbane is some huge unreasonable pain in the ass

[earnest bone]

its on par with zealot backstab penance

in how many games you need to do

[primal zealot]

Oh no I have to use my free and instant crusher delete button aaaahhhhhh save me emperor

[tropic abyss]

everyone kills crushers before the krak explodes

[primal zealot]

Ngl I got a lot of it done with collateral on infected moebians

(They counted as armored)

[tropic abyss]

if you wanna grind armourbane you bomb bruisers and other melee enemies

which is boring

[primal zealot]

The shartsmans focus penance however is an unreasonably time consuming pain in the ass

[thorn plinth]

What do you mean by POW? Perils of the Warp? The percentage bar? As far as I'm aware Kinetic Flayer doesn't even use Peril, that'd just randomly kill you if you sit at 100% all day like I do sometimes.

[sturdy karma]

Sweet good to know

[sturdy karma]

That one was easy with an IAG you play it run and gun build upto 15 stacks on a horde and just hip fire mulch everything on the screen

[arctic rampart]

I dont play psyker but I remember I had a 2 psyker rando group once. One of the psykers was expirementing with some brain burst tech and had amazing time when his spec worked. Something about making BB faster? Then he convinced the other psyker to try his tech next game. I'm pretty sure they got married.

[hearty panther]

BB + Kinetic Resonance + Double Shield Wall + EP

[thorn plinth]

I know there's a funny where you use the double shield wall and some other mess and you get super fast fucking bullshit

[tropic abyss]

just magdump hordes, you can get like 200 or so on each game

[thorn plinth]

Pop pop pop pop pop

[primal zealot]

Sounds cool but imagine sacrificing a bubble for that when you could just use empowered psionics

[hearty panther]

bubble isnt all that impressive

[thorn plinth]

I just use Creeping Flames Venting Shriek and NORMALLY use it off cooldown to apply burn stacks, not generally to stop explosions

[primal zealot]

It has its uses but I prefer fire shout lol

[thorn plinth]

People that use Venting Shriek only to stop explosions

[hollow ibex]

speaking of which

we need to buff psyker explosions, turn it into an ogryn nuke

martyrdom psyker >>>>> martyrdom zealot

[radiant chasm]

Bubble is flashier but walls are way more useful

[radiant chasm]

I mean that does guarantee maximum soulblaze stacks and stagger

[ivory rock]

potential lookin good?

[thorn plinth]

Yea, but usually whenever they do that, they're ONLY doing it to stop explosions, and only do it like 3 times per match

And you only need 80% Peril for max stacks

[hollow ibex]

useable

i think bubble shield is stronger unless you're using your ult for brain rupture

[radiant chasm]

Oh i see, i constantly edge on cooldown

[thorn plinth]

Fire Shriek does so much horde damage that you should be doing it as much as possible imo

[radiant chasm]

Nah, walls will cover most gunfire but they also stagger every specialist which is amazing for mutant and poxburster waves

[radiant chasm]

I am edging as much as possible aka if shriek is off cooldown i am unloading until i peril for the heck of it

[thorn plinth]

I'm just mad you can't spam force sword charge for peril anymore

[hearty panther]

bubble is intensely silly

and really needs something of a soft rework

[hollow ibex]

those are relatively rare except in certain modifiers. burster waves are also a joke

mutie waves are just an annoyance

[hearty panther]

"oh so you put the bubble on your teammates to protect them from shooters, right?"
nope, you put the bubble overtop the enemy and their bullets completely disappear and the shield will now last forever

[hollow ibex]

the anti-specialist aspect of the shield wall can just be done by dodging

bubble has more utility in way more situations

[arctic rampart]

mutie waves are terrifying until you become a leaf on the wind

[hearty panther]

this is not a line of argument you want to follow

[hollow ibex]

why because pubbies?

[radiant chasm]

Most places in maps a wall covers the majority of incoming fire anyways

[hearty panther]

"bubble aspect can be done by just sliding"

[radiant chasm]

Because maelstroms and histg auric in general

[hearty panther]

"bubble aspect can be done by ducking by a box"

[hollow ibex]

clearly not the same thing lol

[hearty panther]

very much equally as dumb

[hollow ibex]

and hiding behind a box doesn't give free toughness regen either

[radiant chasm]

Wall completely negates flamers, trappers, mutants, poxbursters

[hearty panther]

bubble is stupid in its implementation right now anyway

[hollow ibex]

i tried wall again yesterday and had flamers just shoot right through the wall

[radiant chasm]

The vast majority of builds already have a ton of toughness regen

[hearty panther]

really ridiculous how it basically turns off the beast of nurgle

[hollow ibex]

might've been shooting over it but kinda hard to tell

[hearty panther]

but wall remains superior to me. two casts, i can stand on either side of the wall to make it work ,i can stand inside of it if i want to guarantee a special gets locked

[primal zealot]

Did Walt Whitman write this ?

[hearty panther]

its more aggressive and flexible than the bubble while also not being cheesy as fuck

[radiant chasm]

That’s a bug cause wall should have the same properties

[arctic rampart]

Alan Tudyk "I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar"

[radiant chasm]

Bubble is a big safety bubble joke for helicopter parents

[primal zealot]

Haaa based

[radiant chasm]

But most encounters you don’t need 360 coverage

[slow spade]

say less, I already bribed Fatshark for this rework UwU

[hearty panther]

it really just needs to lose its projectile deleting ability

its complete nonsense that the best way to use the bubble is to cap it overtop of enemies instead of your allies

but here we are

[tame lodge]

Heh old Warp Syphon bubble

[primal zealot]

As an ogryn main I love bubble psykers and appreciate their sacrifice in playing with such a boring ability

[slow spade]

AKA how it should have worked UwU

[radiant chasm]

They should make shield a channel /j

[arctic rampart]

smoke grenades are like bubbles! in theory 10% melee damage too. but then you're in the filthy right tree and you don't get damage grenade.

[primal zealot]

Bro all of what psyker does is nonsense. Warp crayons ? Really ? You just hate fun

[slow spade]

yeah we're vet players

[faint beacon]

Agile engagement, one motion, Out for blood and then like the far lower sections where WS is is why right there is Pretty decent

Everything else is meh or bad

Desperado especially

Is good

[arctic rampart]

I always take desperado its really strong. WS always in my power sword build. but you sound to me like a stealth vet!

[slow spade]

"desperado good" -> check node -> "melee"

ignored UwU

[uncut pebble]

I prefer using psword with focus target and a laspistol as my ranged option.

[arctic rampart]

what do you do against waves of bulwark/crusher?

krak?

[thorn plinth]

Was using Desperado but then I decided I wanted Focus Target to allow me to do even more stabby damage

[slow spade]

you just hit them

[uncut pebble]

Activate > PA > Light.

Kills any one crusher or bulwark.

For bulwark gangs I have shredders.

[primal zealot]

Throw kraks lol

[uncut pebble]

For crushers, I perish if voc isn't off cooldown.

[primal zealot]

Poke them with a toothpick

[uncut pebble]

Or I pull the laspistol and run away.

Laspistol mobility is peak with psword.

[slow spade]

Psword is one of the best melee options vs crushers lol

[arctic rampart]

yeah you can smack em with the right engage, might need to backpedal to get the right setup too much for my liking though

[primal zealot]

Hit them with the toys r us “power” sword if you’re truly brave

[uncut pebble]

Ah yes, the paperweight strikes.

[thorn plinth]

I usually just poke them twice or thrice in the face with Dueling Sword

[arctic rampart]

"shit I gotta space em cause theres X other special hiding behind em and hes gonna net me through 50 bulwarks"

[thorn plinth]

[arctic rampart]

"shit there's a flamer or sniper behidn the crushers gotta run and get em aroudn next corner"

[full nacelle]

and that's doing the slow combo too

[arctic rampart]

answer : PLASMA!

[slow spade]

indeed

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iWo5s8vT7d-IIwdwB?invite=cr-MSwzTUssMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Personally I think you should abuse snipers lack of awareness for TKing

[umbral scaffold]

answer to everyth'ng

its essentially " fuck everything on that direction " gun

[arctic rampart]

I kind of liked the bulwark nerf on it. O well

[full nacelle]

I really wish skirmisher was better

it's a really cool idea for a run and gun build but who has time to be sprinting every 8 seconds?

[hearty panther]

it kinda cant be better

+25% global base damage for just ... running? a thing we're almost always doing?

[primal zealot]

How are you not sprinting every 8 seconds ?

[hearty panther]

if the uptime was actually fixed then they'd have to nerf it

[primal zealot]

Shartmans focus user detected

[full nacelle]

because it's more like every 6 seconds with the way it works... it takes a second for the stacks to refresh

[hearty panther]

yeah there's a delay

it doesnt kick in instantly, you gotta be sprinting for about a second

[full nacelle]

I'd be fine with them nerfing the value if it meant it was more consistent

[hearty panther]

and sliding doesnt count, which is what we're actually doing most of the time

[full nacelle]

^

it's bad because why would I take it on any build when the uptime is so damn low

talents need to have consistent value

[terse idol]

Twin grenades be like-

[hearty panther]

but also vet is already so cracked that 25% base damage is unnecessary lol

[terse idol]

💥 💥

[full nacelle]

truuueeeee

[terse idol]

I think it's fine imo

Lol

[full nacelle]

man if twin grenades was better

that shit would be on my grenadier build instantly

[terse idol]

You have like only a handful of grenade builds in the game and it's like kinda cute

[serene bough]

Twin smoke meta will be here one day

[full nacelle]

I can't wait for smoke buffs

[terse idol]

Lethal proximity when you also hit the twin nades

[serene bough]

Twinned shredders are satisfying

But, I almost never run twinned blast

[hearty panther]

no almost for me

[serene bough]

I think i used it in a build once for a week then never again

[waxen maple]

devil's claw, dump stat is mobility? or cleave targets???

[dry cloak]

mobility

[vivid silo]

Twinned Kraks are pretty fun for melee-only Maelstrom. Bonus points for including Bistol with Run n Gun blessing!

[full nacelle]

I've never really understood people's love for Run and Gun tbh

[vivid silo]

Wait. I meant Lethal Proximity, Sorry!

[full nacelle]

OH. Yeah I get that haha

[tall torrent]

Instant sprint to fire
-30% Hipfire spread

It’s nice QoL

[slow spade]

+15% close damage is neat too

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately this gun’s breakpoint build is wack

[slow spade]

yeah :c

feels a lot more natural to hit them with bolter

[tall torrent]

Cuz Boltgun has pinning fire

And Boltgun usually runs different perks

Flak + maniac

Boltpistol is unarmored + maniac

[slow spade]

indeed

fuck ragers

[serene bough]

They should buff rager atk speed again

[slow spade]

D:

[hearty panther]

give them another pair of arms

[slow spade]

give ragers bolters

[slow spade]

Fatshark already stealing your ideas UwU

doubled elite spawns too for funsies

[hearty panther]

good my ideas are dope

and so is my muse

[serene bough]

Why not let ragers clip through walls

You'll never see them coming

[grand perch]

better idea: bring crusher overhead speed on par with rager's combo speed

[serene bough]

Honestly, wacky ideas like these would be a fun temp event

Just call it warp shenanigans and its now lore accurate

[slow spade]

Elite Condition mk2

"not enough enemies to have fun with Elite? Well we'll see about that"

[idle swallow]

Elites have half health but move and attack twice as fast, hope you're quick on the draw

[grand perch]

finally agrip revolver becomes useful

[broken spade]

ragers instead of poxwalkers

[thorn plinth]

Love me weakpoint poker

[mental halo]

whats with the set up?

[umbral scaffold]

I played a bit of psycher

[thorn plinth]

You mean, what IS the setup or?

[mental halo]

the setup

[mental halo]

wow .3.

[earnest bone]

math question
does the lethal proximity applies at the moment of the throw or you need to hold the bolt pistol when the explosion happens

[tall torrent]

It’s passive and doesn’t depend on ur in-hand weapon

[earnest bone]

[wicked epoch]

havent played in ages, why are my weapons in rating 400s now

Used to be 500+

also where do i find that rolling steel mission

[serene bough]

Mastery rework

Max is 500 now

[wicked epoch]

and those corrupted 21st moebians

[wicked epoch]

Sexy

I wanted to fight them corrupted 21st fellows

[earnest bone]

on the mission board

[serene bough]

Ye hadron rng is gone

[wicked epoch]

I cant find it

[wicked epoch]

aw my gambling addiction 😦

I had to remake my fragging builds

[earnest bone]

probably out of rotation rn

[wicked epoch]

Aw whatt

[wicked epoch]

.

[earnest bone]

so it will appear in like 10-20-30 minutes or something

[wicked epoch]

whats the mission called anyway

rolling steel?

[tall torrent]

Event ended like
20 days ago

[wicked epoch]

whats the HL designation whatever

[wicked epoch]

aw cmonnn

was it any fun?

[tall torrent]

It was
Horde clear benchmark

[earnest bone]

kinda, they attacked in big groups and are fat

[wicked epoch]

What was so diff with it

[wicked epoch]

Thats it?

Whats the story shit

The lore implications

[earnest bone]

who even read that, cmon

[wicked epoch]

Are they the reason we have a commissar on the ship

[tall torrent]

Imagine every single groaner/poxwalker had bruiser health and attacked faster

[wicked epoch]

I do

[wicked epoch]

pain

[earnest bone]

BM weapons was the best vs those

rashad/hsword/etc

still within oneshot range

[wicked epoch]

alrigh

whats the fullname of the rolling steel mission

ymayy found it

aigh

[earnest bone]

Ride your NVidia RTX 590

[bold patrol]

not the choochoo

[tame lodge]

They got bad stimms

You know

The ones from both carnival missions

What the books have to do with any of it? Who knows

[wicked epoch]

holy shit best thint ive played

best mission ever

[tame lodge]

Train is fun yeah

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-zeppelin-zeppelin-war-zeppelin-wars-bomb-gif-24543290

[misty delta]

train in public lobbies is unironically the best use case for infiltrate

[earnest bone]

and smokes if you isn't the one doing puzzle

[faint beacon]

The pubbers being physically incapable of defending the Objective Jockey

Istg I avoid that mission on pubs even though I love it

Do objective and get knocked out if it cause they aren’t covering an obvious flank

[viral nacelle]

Go in with voidstrike and end the career of every baddie on the train simultaneously

[slow spade]

if a tox bomber spawns and its not instantly killed

the mission gets 5x more annoying

[faint beacon]

“I ONLY WISH TO SHARE HIS TRUTH!”

Fucking die immediately

[viral nacelle]

Tox Bomber out here spreading the good word

[slow spade]

but why so rude :c

I just want to play with my funny auspex

[sleek garden]

Hordes were tougher and thicker

Personally barely noticed a gameplay difference but it was cool to see a bigger force rush you

[slow spade]

it was also the only way you got anyone to pick up a grim without them thinking of barreling you

[sleek garden]

If people join a grimoire mission and get upset that someone picks it up they're a moron

I've got penances and challenges to do

[faint beacon]

I noticed a difference it’s just my builds unironically were perfectly fitted for Flak Groaners lmao

[sleek garden]

My devils claw has bonus unarmored and I swing at head level

there was hardly a difference it was like fighting scab bruisers all the time

[faint beacon]

Heavy Sword and Shovel did well

And Rashad shockingly didn’t do as well against them

[slow spade]

weird

my rashad cleaved through them with ease

oh it dropped around the same time that they fucked power sword which would have been perfect for that event lol

[sleek garden]

I used to use basically only the shovel then it slowly went to only catachan sword

[slow spade]

Psword -> "wait why is it shit" -> "its bugged" -> swap to rashad

it is what it is

[sleek garden]

I hated powering the sword all the time

Otherwise I'd use it more

Also the dodges are so weak

[slow spade]

it cleaves through armored hordes like butter

would have been perfect for that event

a shame :c

[faint beacon]

Unpowered sword builds would be so damn funny if the unpowered wasn’t absolute doodooshit

But the sword is already strong on its own

[slow spade]

unpowered attacks need 15 cleave kk thx

[tame lodge]

Cleave blessings
Kevin Hart posing

[rose yarrow]

Is the top pinned Hammer of the Emperor veteran guide gone? The link says "this item might not exist or is no longer available"

[slow spade]

I just opened it

works for me

[earnest bone]

same

[earnest bone]

https://onedrive.live.com/:w:/g/personal/E2A0A519389B2F30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg?resid=E2A0A519389B2F30!sa7c48fc84c574f998848f62d41caaf9f&ithint=file%2Cdocx&migratedtospo=true&redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL3cvYy9lMmEwYTUxOTM4OWIyZjMwL0VjaVB4S2RYVEpsUGlFajJMVUhLcjU4QmJOX0xja01PQzRiYmEzcW5sTzhUSGc

[tall torrent]

there's a 1drive link

that's the guide

[full nacelle]

bruh I hate when I play builds based around special sniping

and the three ogryns on my team don't kill the horde and take all the ammo

[hollow ibex]

Gunlugger mfers

[wet ether]

That’s the big pals for ya no point in bitching about it either way

[full nacelle]

They weren't even gunluggers just greedy and playing by themselves

[wet ether]

When you play with randoms you gotta expect it it’s also the reason why I’m so damn vocal over coms

Also be positive towards ya teammates and they may return the favour

[earnest bone]

When you think that crafting update will help people to get better weapons

what's changed is that they swapped lacerate flesh tearer from III to IV

[lavish token]

Ah the engee knife

[terse idol]

Well it is better

[formal hamlet]

Guys does Boltgun work well on Veteran, and if so can someone give me a good build? It’s fun to shoot so I make a build but I’m sure mine sucks. Also need blessing suggestions.

[verbal burrow]

And it's done

[full nacelle]

I didn't say shit. I just left cause it was aggrivating trying to kill stuff with 0 ammo on an agripina revolver build with a bunch of ammo hogging thicc hitboxes.

[verbal burrow]

Boltgun works great on veteran. People complain about the time it takes to draw it, and the time it takes to reload it, but I find both of those things managable without building specifically for it. It also has far more ammo than the revolver does, penetrates cover, etc etc. In terms of blessings I run it with gloryhunter and surgical. Surgical in particular is fantastic. The Surgical blessing is actually even stronger on the bolter than the revolver, because it yields a stack every 0.2 seconds instead of every 0.3 seconds. Gloryhunter is more of a personal bias thing because my entire gameplay style revolves around toughnessmaxxing. As for the Perks, damage vs Flak and damage vs Maniacs will help it deal with most specials and elites.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I heard the drawn time and recoil aren't great so I made a build using executioner's stance where I just hit F and the gun instantly comes out with solid control. I also grabbed both reload speed perks near the top of the tree to help with that, shame there's no way to let it passively reload while I've got my melee out lol. I was running shattering and gloryhunter on mine for now since they sounded cool.

Surgical is crit chance, yeah? I skipped on that one because I just assumed "well if I'm hitting them in the weak spot it crits automatically", is that correct? Are things that increase crit chance for if you want to mag dump centre mass?

[full nacelle]

Boltgun is great, if you play it like a special sniper and not just dump the entire mag into every crusher you see. You want to use exe stance and grab a reload node, so you're already set there. As far as blessings there are two routes. You either go surgical for crit or puncture for better consistent damage, then pinning fire.

[full nacelle]

Nah crits are different from weakspot hits. Your weakspot hits can crit.

[verbal burrow]

Recoil is irrelevant since you only full auto it @ bosses & crusher swarms at point blank range. Under normal circumstances, you switch to semi-automatic mode by aiming down the sights. I also feel you help the team more with the toughness shout than the happy little pew pew stance.

[verbal burrow]

Guaranteed crits from surgical is so nice tho

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I basically one-tap with my special ping active and go for a headshot, or I magdump if it's the boss and watch their health drop.

[full nacelle]

Yeah but with it already hitting the breakpoints for everything already it doesn't really help you outside of crushers. Just depends on if you want to sometimes two-shot crushers or consistently 3-shot them basically.

as long as your build lets you hit the breakpoints you need the blessings don't matter too much

[formal hamlet]

Puncture adds bleed stacks but isn't everything but a boss dead way before that matters?

[warm drum]

i mildly disagree
if you're smart about it, magdump bolter can pop off

[full nacelle]

it gives you the extra damage to hit certain breakpoints easier

like crushers

[hollow ibex]

It’s very fun and can be super effective, but rip ammo

[warm drum]

that's true lmao

[formal hamlet]

I see, so shattering and gloryhunter not as useful for that.

[warm drum]

survialist doesn't help much with that either

[full nacelle]

I'm not saying you can't magdump. I'm saying you shouldn't make your build around magdumping on it since it's an ammo hog. Sadly...

[hollow ibex]

Love spraying all my ammo off at the end of the match lol

[formal hamlet]

For perks I just went with flak and carapace, is that right?

[verbal burrow]

Did you just suggest there is such a thing as not enough dakka

[verbal burrow]

Have you tried injecting a damage boost stim and inserting 2 krak grenades into the boss?

[full nacelle]

as a graia braced player, there is never enough dakka

[formal hamlet]

Sorta. I've pinged the boss with the yellow ping and then thrown 2 kraks. Melts their health too.

But with boltgun build I'm running frags for better horde clear.

[verbal burrow]

That's second stage krakism. Third stage krakism, is when you also do the damage stim

[formal hamlet]

I probably don't need BOTH reload talents, and one of them took an extra node to reach, so maybe I should remove that one and find a better use for my 2 talents.

[full nacelle]

What about the fourth stage where you stack it with your ability buffs?

[warm drum]

i don't remember it being that bad of an ammo hog, but i may be misremembering lol

[rancid rover]

Try to get headshots with your boltgun when facing gunners and shotgunners, oneshot kills preserve ur ammo and help with toughness.

[umbral scaffold]

i will give Fatshark one dollar if they put deadly accurate on the Agripinaa Stub Revolver

[verbal burrow]

if you really care about reload speed you can take Tactical Reload + Volley Adept, which will increase your total reload speed by 60%, but why

[warm drum]

i'm also mentally comparing it to the mk5 autogun which is like
the worst offender lmao

[formal hamlet]

Does volley adept trigger on any special kill, like shotgunners, dogs, the whole lot? Basically anyone who's not a basic grunt?

[verbal burrow]

Shotgunners are elites

[full nacelle]

it's pretty damn bad

[formal hamlet]

So it wouldn't trigger on them?

[warm drum]

reload maxxing 💪

[somber axle]

You can also do the quick reload thing where as soon as you see the number change you hit sprint then ADS and you'll be able to shoot faster vs just letting the rest of the reload animation play out

[faint beacon]

Cough cough Puncture + Shattering

Cough

[misty delta]

but what if I’m addicted to gun asmr

[full nacelle]

it would... specials and elites are anything that pops in the kill feed when you kill them

[warm drum]

i think my pairing is pinning fire + cavalclade

[faint beacon]

Do you HHA max

[somber axle]

Infiltrate + Low Profile and no reload talents so you can live out your addiction to the reload uninterrupted

[misty delta]

whats HHA

[formal hamlet]

Do ragers appear on feed? I never notice.

[faint beacon]

It’s shockingly good as a combo, but yeah that’s another combo

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259750671461257287/1298508290308964362/attachment.gif

[verbal burrow]

you can literally just drop back into your squad and reload the bolter without those things tho

[full nacelle]

sure do! everything that isn't a basic dude with a stick basically

[warm drum]

true lol
tactical reload isn't that great on the bolter anyway imo

[misty delta]

oml I was gonna guess vigilant autogun but then I remembered the name change thank dog for that btw I’ve seen too many people get it confused with the blessing also yes I do HHA max

[faint beacon]

Good… path can confirm I do nothing but play the HHA lmao

[formal hamlet]

It doesn't say for how long this is active, does that mean I can kill one, swap back to melee to deal with the horde around me, then swap back and reload the boltgun with the bonus reload speed once things die down?

[faint beacon]

It’s not the best but it does help with certain builds, I’d argue Tac reload and One Motion help for mag dump boss killer builds

[faint beacon]

Usually 5 seconds

That or it’s up till you reload

I literally never use that perk

[tall torrent]

swap flak for unarmored or elite (if u take superiority complex)

[faint beacon]

Veteran just has so many better options is why

[hollow ibex]

Tac reload is better for bolter for sure

[tall torrent]

bonus reload buff persists till u initiate the reload

but due to longshot being bad and boltgun having slow draw
usually One Motion and Tactical Reload will do better

[verbal burrow]

I will probablyh eventually swap flak out for unarmoured after becoming irate over the unarmoured left hand of a gunner absorbing a round

[carmine cradle]

its usually not worth either way in my experience

except for like

MAYBE revolver and plasma gun

[tall torrent]

unarmored gives dreg gunner 1HS without superiority complex

[formal hamlet]

Wait longshot is bad?

[verbal burrow]

But frankly oneshotting gunners, shotgunners and crushers is already kinda nice

[tall torrent]

nah it's just for boltgun for the most part

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/dvqnixyv0Pk?si=bQai8bknfBgY1Vpv

[faint beacon]

Really mediocre

[tall torrent]

but tac reload is kinda better now

[hearty panther]

just learn to do this

[faint beacon]

Ever since they reworked close range definition

Which in return nerfed longshot

[verbal burrow]

You really don't need to have any reload speed buffs to make a bolter work

[faint beacon]

It’s really mediocre now

[formal hamlet]

Shit.

[verbal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-mediocre-gif-4592081

[faint beacon]

It’s not shit

Nor is it good

It’s just there vs

Confirmed Kill and Out For Blood

Which are both WAY better paths

[verbal burrow]

I'd still use it if I was going for a glass cannon build that focused entirely on ranged weaponry, but ask yourself whether you would like a glass cannon build that focuses entirely on ranged weaponry to the detriment of your team

I'd rather buff the other three

[tall torrent]

do u use this to cope without reload speed talents lol

[hearty panther]

no cope, just what i already do anyway

[stone adder]

so good blessings or did i do a mega fail

[formal hamlet]

What about Killzone, same problem?

[tall torrent]

cuz it's not as fast as just cancelling the charging-handle-pull with tac reload

[hearty panther]

thats one talent point too many

[verbal burrow]

I wouldn't say that using a plasma gun or bolter without reload talents is coping as much as it is not being a whiner and accepting that sometimes you have to reload. 15 round mag is fine for a single shot special/elite remover

[tall torrent]

I mean
what else u gonna grab

[hearty panther]

literally anything else

besides its not like zealot has access to 60% reload speed

its a universal skill

[faint beacon]

Is Killzone the regen toughness if enemies are out of X meters

If yes it’s

Okay

[hearty panther]

that's Catch a Breath

Killzone has a specific # for range so

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah no that’s the Meh one

[hearty panther]

Longshot uses the same number as Close Damage effects

[faint beacon]

It’s better than longshot but like

Ehhh

[hearty panther]

so when they buffed Close Damage from 8m to 12m before starting to drop off, that also nerfed Longshot

[faint beacon]

Catch a breath on the other hand is great

[somber axle]

The rough part about Kill Zone is that you'll almost never have a moment where the buff is active and would help in a meaningful way on Aurics

There's always something within 8m