veteran-class

[terse idol]

The ai director

[sleek garden]

For ammo I always drop it when everyone is at yellow

[terse idol]

Yes but that means you have more ammo for the future

Ammo boxes

[slow spade]

na that shit is mine

[terse idol]

Should be dropped more commonly

[slow spade]

I use Helbore + Shocktrooper? Na box is still mine

UwU

[rocky jacinth]

i've been trying to teach people to drop health kits in fights rather than after one

[terse idol]

Medikits are weird because yes there are servitor healing stations at checkpoints

But rng ammo in boxes

[sleek garden]

Sadly the operatives do call out when they need help and are getting hit but by the time I can react and throw a nade or run over to them they've usually already gone down

[slow spade]

Bolter player (me :D) -> rough High Intensity -> allies vacuum all the ammo -> I have 2 ammo pickups the whole game

[sleek garden]

I take covering fire I hope it helps people

[slow spade]

I'm holding that ammo box

I know what quickplay people do

[hollow phoenix]

Nothing pisses me off more than opening a crate when I’m low on nades or ammo, and seeing nothing

Especially if it’s a 2-3 item crate

[sleek garden]

I feel bad because sometimes I run by an ammo thing and without thinking pick it up when I have like 6 mags left and then I look at the ammo counters right after and the other vet is yellow

[slow spade]

not even diamantine

[hollow phoenix]

Not even Plasteel Plating

Not even a small one

[rocky jacinth]

some ogryn started bitching at me when i grabbed a big ammo bag once

[hollow phoenix]

Straight up

Empty

[sleek garden]

does anyone have a goofy survivalist/weapons specialist build

[gusty niche]

I get pissed when I'm low on ammo but everyone else is doing great and I have an ammo crate

[rocky jacinth]

and i looked at the loot history, he'd taken 13 small ammos, 5 big ammos and 2 sets from a single ammo box

[sleek garden]

I want to take one into no ammo pickups maelstrom

[hollow phoenix]

Life of a Glugger

[rocky jacinth]

(i had two small ammos)

[slow spade]

pain

[gusty niche]

and then there are 0 ammo tins in boxes for another 10 minutes

[rocky jacinth]

ok give me a minute i'm gonna give you the most busted shit in the universe

[sleek garden]

I believe in you loosie

[terse idol]

Yes

Because the director wants you to use it

Or something

I dunno how the Ai director works butt

[sleek garden]

I always forget to use my stims

[terse idol]

It is giiiiving you resources

[slow spade]

yeah I sometimes wonder if teams holding onto boxes lowers the chances for loot

[sleek garden]

I've been trying to get better at it

using stims before a horde

[slow spade]

I reserve stims for bosses or clutches usually

[hollow phoenix]

I usually stim up when I see a boss

[slow spade]

I don't even pick up med stims

I carry that ult cooldown

[hollow phoenix]

Granted I usually just use Combat/Celerity

brrrrr my beloved

[sleek garden]

I had motion blur turned off and the new hot fix turned it back on and I was surprised that using a red stim makes your vision slightly blurry

[slow spade]

because I have terminal VoC addiction

[hollow phoenix]

I should prob turn that off

[sleek garden]

I didn't realize it was extra post processing

[hollow phoenix]

PBB and Red stim make me blind

I literally see red and only red

[slow spade]

Infiltrate + Concentration stim lol

[hollow phoenix]

[broken spade]

voc vet is probably the best user of cd stim anyways

[slow spade]

indeed but VoC is a crutch and I know it :p

[sleek garden]

It really makes the game feel more cinematic, but I always keep it off because sometimes motion blur makes me feel nauseous

[hollow phoenix]

I can’t tell if Celerity or Combat is the the way to go on Glugger

[slow spade]

I go combat for the rending

[hollow ibex]

Can’t imagine why you’d need it tbh

[hollow phoenix]

I don’t even know what all the stims actually give lmao

[sleek garden]

I love sticking a voc vet with a yellow stim and watch him run in and shout 5 times in 4 seconds

[shadow adder]

geeking off the combat stim

[hollow ibex]

I’d rather use it for the zealot rush ability or something

[rocky jacinth]

i know it's not weapon spec

[full nacelle]

Anyone know if there is a list of all the weapons swap speeds?

[hollow ibex]

Doesn’t matter. They’re free drugs. Don’t question it.

[rocky jacinth]

but this is what you want to abuse the SHIT out of frags

[earnest bone]

Double stealth vet is the best one, since it's 2 min CD total

[sleek garden]

Thinky stim...

[earnest bone]

you can just pick it up and use

if <1

[slow spade]

Yellow Stim is my favorite followed by Blue

[sleek garden]

Almost but not quite, I specified weapons specialist

[shadow adder]

blue makes your screen look the coolest imo

[rocky jacinth]

alright, alright, this was initially a weapon spec build but i swapped to FT because I ended up never shooting the gun anyway

[sleek garden]

understandable

I play veteran with the intention of using the gun 90% of the time so that maelstrom is always a refresher

[rocky jacinth]

Now it's a Weapon Spec build 😌

[slow spade]

ture :p

[sleek garden]

I have a plasma pistol build inspired by space marine 2 that has agile engagement but not weapons specialist

With a catachan sword

[slow spade]

true*

[sleek garden]

I did not believe the mk1 devils claw description that the sword is really only a knife

And then I played space marine 2

[slow spade]

now you know its only a toothpick UwU

[sleek garden]

And the plasma gun that takes the veteran 5 years to handle is held in one hand as a backup weapon by a space marine

[slow spade]

really puts into perspective how rough it is out there when entire space marine chapters deploy and then lose

[sleek garden]

What it does is piss me off when I hit a scab bruiser in the chest with the bolter and he doesn't explode like in space marine 2

[tall torrent]

Should have brought rashad with them

[sleek garden]

By the way the bolter in Darktide sounds 10 times cooler than any of the ones in space marine 2

[slow spade]

ok to be fair bolters are shit in sm2 lol

[ocean idol]

Ohw melee vet compares to zealot?

[slow spade]

facts, the Emperor's true weapon is a rashad that he used to cleave Horus' soul apart

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure Boltgun does enough flak damage to 1 tap them ?

[terse idol]

Sm2 balance when it only has to balance like 15 guns

[viral bramble]

Best spearhead bolter perks?

Carapace + maniac?

[tall torrent]

Veteran scales better than zealot on combat axe

[terse idol]

Darktide balancing X amount of guns with Varients and talents and modifiers and blessings

[tall torrent]

And has more melee damage buffs

[terse idol]

[sleek garden]

I'm not sure actually

[slow spade]

the funniest thing about SM2 for me is that I unironically just remade my vet

[tall torrent]

Do u have +25% flak

[slow spade]

Plasma pistol, power sword, plasma executioner

[ocean idol]

What about other weapons?

[sleek garden]

No I have carapace and reload speed

[tall torrent]

Yea

[sleek garden]

I am ergonomically inclined...

[tall torrent]

Generally veteran has more consistent damage

[viral bramble]

Rate my setup

[tall torrent]

Zealot has lower consistent damage but can hit higher burst in some scenarios

[sleek garden]

Zealot seems to lean into opportunism and crit chance

[blissful cliff]

I need a Marksman's focus build to get that silly penance

[sleek garden]

and crits are of course higher damage but they aren't 100% consistent

[rocky jacinth]

Where's your Pinning Fire

[ocean idol]

what do you mean by opportunism?

[terse idol]

Puncture is bad

[slow spade]

I personally get Elite instead of Specialists because FUCK ragers

[tall torrent]

Basically sudden bursts of damage

Zealot breakpoints are worse

[ocean idol]

Also zealot can have 80% crit chance on knife

[tall torrent]

But zealot has higher atk speed

[tall torrent]

Veteran can have 75%, not a big difference

[viral bramble]

Even with this?

[slow spade]

I have that too

[broken spade]

vets can have pretty high burst as well

[slow spade]

do not underestimate my hate for ragers

[sleek garden]

if you want to actually play the game as a proper soldier, take marksmans focus, tunnel vision modifier, exhilarating takedown and precision strikes
Take an infantry lasgun or an infantry autogun

[slow spade]

my rashad? Elite/Maniac

[broken spade]

pretty sure that old meme of the new revolver 5 shotting bosses was on vet

[viral bramble]

Happy now?

[slow spade]

jokes

[slow spade]

should be good

[rocky jacinth]

Inspiring Barrage is really good on bolter, fight until you can't, smash your exec stance button and unload, go back to fighting whatever's somehow left

[terse idol]

[ocean idol]

WIth max reciprocity stacks? Does that really count? It is hard to keep it up

[sleek garden]

otherwise I recommend Lawbringer/Zarona Shotgun with manstopper and either Deadshot or scattershot

aim the special at head level of a horde and fire

[terse idol]

Just play crab vet

[earnest bone]

Zealot can have 100%, but usually that's not needed

[sleek garden]

I mean they benefit greatly off of staggered/unaware targets by way of backstab/shroudfield or being able to put 30 attacks into a busy target

[tall torrent]

On knife? No

[sleek garden]

the Thunder Hammer is absolutely an opportunist weapon, you get punished for using powered attacks mid horde for example

[broken spade]

recip stacks are not hard to keep up

[sleek garden]

But being able to drop 20,000+ damage on a monstrosity from behind

pretty good

[broken spade]

if you drop your stacks, means you haven't dodged for 8 seconds.
I'd question if you're even fighting anything

[sleek garden]

Chasm Logistratum run 30

I already got Explorator luckily

Currently prioritizing the torrent

Throneside is probably my least favorite area

But that doesn't mean I don't like it

[dry cloak]

carnival

[gusty niche]

Hourglass fucks my computer up

[sleek garden]

Carnival has great music

love it

I like hourglass horde music as well

[dry cloak]

carnival has 2 maps

[gusty niche]

I actually don't really know what music I like and don't like

[sleek garden]

carnival sounds like a future punk dance party hourglass sounds like a supernatural brawl

I think the most gritty fight music is Logistratum

Throneside has the funky drum rolling and choir

like the whole district is mad

And then I looked up the song and it's literally called throneside fights back or something

[dry cloak]

give us third carnival map

[gusty niche]

In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only boars

[opal quiver]

Which revolver mark do y'all prefer? I hated the new one at first but after realizing how much faster it is to use I think I prefer even if it is less accurate and deals less damage, I seem to kill elites and specialists faster with it anyway

[sleek garden]

I bet there will be one, and it's gonna have something to do with rinda

[dry cloak]

both are good at different thingas

[blissful cliff]

Hab Dreyko

[broken spade]

i still prefer the old zarona revolver
especially on vet since i don't even need to reload it

[hollow ibex]

Zarona is the stronger one. Agrivolver is for the gigachads

[opal quiver]

don't really know how to build it but I decided to go for as much crit as I can reasonably get, got these blessings with it and I run deadshot with a stamina curio to somewhat reliably get another 25% crit chance

[dry cloak]

run and gun is nice for better accuracy

[broken spade]

being able to reload all the bullets on agri at once is cool and all but... i don't press reload on vet

weapon specialist too much fun

[opal quiver]

which would you swap it with? Crucian?

[dry cloak]

on mine i run trick shot and run n gun

[sleek garden]

Misinformation, it turns out it's called Unrest in Throneside and the Torrent is The Torrent Fights Back

[dry cloak]

run and gun plus surgical is fun for agrivolver

[sleek garden]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0BE7VaWK67XIBKjj7RCiKg?si=06Gq34j0Qge1ApA6EffVMw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A4B8ef5R4i3tez7Ftk9WpBx

This is one of my favorite tracks

You hear it for like 5 seconds before someone activates the servo skull

https://open.spotify.com/track/3QOg9Q5x5zslPuT8dZgLVS?si=bBo42Hq3QEathr2DXSDG7A

Actually that's this one sorry

I like the music in this game

[sleek garden]

Surgical? I'm surprised

[opal quiver]

idk about surgical I just kinda dont wanna worry about waiting before shooting and just kinda spam it
but at the same time with all crit buff I already have I think I only need to wait 2 seconds to reach gurranteed crit so it might be ok

[dry cloak]

well i run unortodox builds

[sleek garden]

my automatic response with agripinaa is to fire off all 5 rounds as fast as I can

Maybe I should try trickshooter

[dry cloak]

trichshot boost your boss damage immensely

[sleek garden]

Do the revolvers have speedloader

I just remember that it didn't punch through carapace very well

Agripinaa

[blissful cliff]

They do indeed have speedloader

[ocean idol]

Or mayb e i am s ogood with my positioning and shooting that no enemy got close to me

Or i kill everyone faster

specifically with recon that actually what is happening, i never have to dodge more than twice

I just gun everything down

[broken spade]

surely some enemies shoot at you and you dodge them

8 seconds is a lot of time for literally nothing to attack you

[ocean idol]

There is +5% crit node, reciprocity, deadshot, that's it for crits?

[slow spade]

technically there's also weapon specialist for ranged weapons

[broken spade]

i thought the original context was for knife

but yeah i think that's all of them

if we're counting ranged, there's opening salvo

[slow spade]

oh I didn't see anything too far above so just assumedthey meant in general

[broken spade]

well actually they mentioned deadshot so i guess we're also including ranged

[dry cloak]

with carapace damage perks it kills crushers in 7 shots?

something around this

[gusty niche]

I didn't realise that you could just make multiple preset loadouts so I made an entire second veteran dedicated to being the most annoying enemy type that finds its way into every single DMC-like game

Unblockable and untrackable

every second action is a dodge

[slow spade]

"alright wise guy here's a horde of pox bombers"

[gusty niche]

it's fun against maulers and the type so far, but an unbuilt character with only a stub revolver and a combat knife kinda eats shit against hordes

and bursters I guess

but they're anmoying anyways

[slow spade]

swap to bolt pistol for lethal prox + frags as your horde clear?

[gusty niche]

that was my plan

but she's level 5 so...

[slow spade]

ah

rip

[gusty niche]

Ah, at least it's a change of pace

[slow spade]

well in time you'll reach the annoying little shit you aspire to be c:

:p

[gusty niche]

haha yep

after a couple million sedition missions

[slow spade]

"that's it, send only bombers"

[gusty niche]

I tried playing ogryn but it's just so different from my usual Vet/Psyker gameplay

Heavy emphasis on Vet

[broken spade]

ogryn is the only class i don't play much

too fat

[slow spade]

Ogryn is the only one I'd play after Vet

mostly because shield funny

[pine cloud]

Tank Daemonhost while I shoot at it

[broken spade]

i'm too traumatized from playing ogryn
here's a clip of me being laughed at for my obesity...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1061809609444167781/CANT_FIT.mp4?ex=671a4302&is=6718f182&hm=2b0a77bb1b804e5614c569611119104c056e9f5eb80a31605b686929b8ac3eee&

[slow spade]

for me, its the infinite cleave

just wipe out any horde in like 2 swings c:

[broken spade]

also 90% of clips i have of mutants bugging out and clipping me out of the map is ogryn gameplay

dogshit game

[slow spade]

should have bought a better game UwU

[broken spade]

there was also that time a mutant carried me around like a marketable ogryn plushie
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1093038065997598824/mutie_grab.mp4?ex=671a7dc6&is=67192c46&hm=e6f659687c5ed812564e62223d78713d9cb533c718c05b36ca26e9d180d125f6&

okay why are mutants so damn glitchy with ogryn?

[slow spade]

that is a good point, most of my bugs have been when I was leveling ogryn

maybe I should swap to rock to hardcounter mutants lol

[tame lodge]

They love throwing me into bottomless pits

[pastel zealot]

What kind of build would someone be using 3 +3 stam curios?

[broken spade]

sounds like a meme

[hollow ibex]

Deadshot vraks memes

[broken spade]

i'm thinking either deadshot, push attack spam, or sprinting through the map invis in a solo speedrun

[pastel zealot]

I saw a video clip from reddit and he posted his build

Just never thought I'd see +9 stamina

[opal quiver]

they really like deadshot I guess

[hollow ibex]

Lmao what in the heretics hell is that

[opal quiver]

oh I dont even have the best stamina curio

I though +2 was max

[hollow ibex]

Yeah 3 is max

[broken spade]

that's a lot of commitment to deadshot

[hollow ibex]

Not even on a weapon that needs much stam for deadshot

[broken spade]

he should've went harder on the meme

where's duck and dive?

[hollow ibex]

True might as well go all the way

[slow spade]

to be fair, I ran +9 stam before Unlocked and Loaded so I could get more plasteel

[tame lodge]

Stripped down
Devil's Claw only

[narrow frost]

Deadshot and VLD

and put stamina on the gun

11 stam goes crazy

[deft crystal]

anti pox burster

[deft crystal]

Pfffffft HAHA

Silly ogryn

[broken spade]

i'm glad they increased the pickup range for ogryns shortly after that

cause that shit was stupid

you were so tall that grabbing things was just difficult too.
Had to be like right on them

[slow spade]

there's a loot spawn in one of the maps where if your char isn't tall enough you can't reach it :p

ammo tin spawned on it and saw a vet just bouncing up and down trying to get it

[hollow ibex]

Tall chads stay winning

[north raptor]

dumb question. i assume the boltgun dump stat is mbility and not collateral?

[frank basin]

Collateral can be 59 or 60 since your shot can stagger bulwark

Leaving opening for your opportunity

[hollow ibex]

Most guns dump mobility for good reason

[frank basin]

Getting 60/60 collateral and mobility kinda lucky base there

[tall torrent]

Mobility dump

At max collateral u can open bulwark in 2 shots with exe stance

[hollow ibex]

But muh 5mm of dodge

I need to try exec stance bolter again

[full nacelle]

What are the pros of using the Agripinna Infantry Autogun over the Vraks (old school Columnus)?

[tame lodge]

Damage per shot
Cleave

Recoil control

An actual weapon that can use Marksman Focus for Run n Gunning

[full nacelle]

Beautiful! That's exactly what I'm looking for

My vraks build felt too boring and standard

[tall torrent]

U get to pretend that ur cool

It’s a V.auto that can full auto

[full nacelle]

have you heard those meaty sound effects? it is undeniably cooler

[tall torrent]

And doesn’t suck in maniac damage

[tame lodge]

The suppression still the same iirc

Low as shit

[tall torrent]

No it does get affected by suppression a good amount

Try fighting gunners at long range, it sucks

[tame lodge]

Oh not the affected by suppression part

The part where you are suppressing

IAGs have low suppression value

Shoot to kill

[rocky jacinth]

has anybody made a stagger breakpoint spreadsheet

[slow spade]

I paid for the +25% ammo node

I'm using 25% more ammo

[full nacelle]

honestly no weapons feel like they suppress after you try the Graia braced

everything else is crap in comparison

yes, even you, lowly autopistol

[tame lodge]

Path
Guide on the pinned link

[rocky jacinth]

dank

[slow spade]

max suppression build when?

[tame lodge]

It has 2 to 4 suppression value

Agri brauto has 4 to 8

Fire shotgun has 8

And 15 on special shot

[slow spade]

I personally find the bolter suppresses pretty well UwU

[full nacelle]

use the secondary fire

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah 10 iirc

[full nacelle]

totally different suppression value

instant on anything that isn't a Reaper... which takes about .5 seconds on shooting

[slow spade]

indeed, I've actually support allies by shooting near them (when I can't directly support) to suppress/stagger enemies around them

[hearty panther]

meanwhile staff left click with its casual 20 suppression or fucken whatever

[slow spade]

feels good c:

[tame lodge]

Yeah the secondary fire is 4 suppression value

Per shot

[hearty panther]

Yea but volume

[tame lodge]

Yeah they stack

3 shots you apply 12

[full nacelle]

yeah the only other comparable weapons are the other braced autoguns

[tame lodge]

Most enemies will cower at 10

[full nacelle]

nothing else matches the rate of fire

[tame lodge]

Important note
Bolter has 12 suppression on projectile kill
On 8 meters iirc

[slow spade]

oh right the special effect on direct kill

I forget about that

[full nacelle]

personally I prefer the graia because of the way the secondary fire increases rate of fire and improves its accuracy over time

[slow spade]

I wonder if I should consider that when supporting allies

[full nacelle]

makes it the ultimate spray autogun

[tame lodge]

Luv me Graia IV

[tame lodge]

Well you'll be killing
Which is what we still encourage as a form of suppression

Since most weapons have low suppression value

[full nacelle]

I'm praying the autopistol gets some kind of buff soon... even giving it better suppression would go a long way

[tame lodge]

But they still kill so

[slow spade]

indeed c:

[tame lodge]

Remember folks
If you're uncertain if your weapon can suppress
Shoot to kill

[full nacelle]

what if my weapon can do neither? autopistol gang rise UP

[dire olive]

Need me a stubber

[grand perch]

pop pop pop

[tall torrent]

only for veteran melee weapons tho

[rocky jacinth]

yeah i wanted to see the breakpoints for bolt pistol 💀

[tall torrent]

stagger breakpoint?

[rocky jacinth]

yes

[tall torrent]

it can't break rager combo

give up

[rocky jacinth]

no matter what?

[tall torrent]

u'd kill before u stagger

so it doesn't matter

[grand perch]

it can...if you combine it with voc

[rocky jacinth]

it does matter because i wanted to use it for a very specific setup

and scenario

[tall torrent]

which is

boltpistol is a really wack weapon

it's missing like 5~8% dmg for breakpoints

[tame lodge]

Just
That
Much
Huh

[tall torrent]

1188 headshot dmg on scab gunner

with redirect fire x5

then it's either 1 point into 8 stack

which feels like a waste

or superiority complex

which costs more

and this gun is one of the few that wants survivalist

[hollow ibex]

Bolt pistol is just reload simulator

Just constantly doing reloads

Actually annoys me a lot, combined with the shit breakpoints

[rocky jacinth]

stagger setup for power sword against mixed hordes

but also with agile engagement

[tall torrent]

that is way too niche

[rocky jacinth]

it is

[tall torrent]

power sword normally can stagger rager with energized light atks

[rocky jacinth]

i was playing around with the psykhaneum spawner mod and i was getting my ass beat horribly with psword

[tall torrent]

yea

become a rashad enjoyer

[rocky jacinth]

so i figured out that doing a weapons specialist setup with bolt pistol was the best way to make it kill stuff better

[slow spade]

psword is only good vs 1 rager

multiple ragers pull the gun

[rocky jacinth]

because the explosion stagger was enough to give me space to kill

[slow spade]

rashad can solo pretty much any quantity of ragers

[rocky jacinth]

but i want to maximize it

[slow spade]

assuming skill issue is not a factor

[tall torrent]

3 is about as high as it gets in terms of melee-only

more than 3 and it gets hard

[broken spade]

2 surprise ragers behind me as a power sword user is the scariest shit

[tall torrent]

u need to use abilities/blitz/gun occasionally

[slow spade]

yeah I still get chipped trying to melee ragers

[rocky jacinth]

well doing just ragers wasn't a problem, it was the melee pressure mixed wave stuff that got troublesome

[tall torrent]

u see
if u play C-I-VI u can forget abt dreg ragers entirely

[broken spade]

if a couple ragers catch you by surprise and your power sword is uncharged, shit is terrifying

[rocky jacinth]

even if it's charged one tap will send you into the bone zone

i'm looking at you poxwalker who spawned in the dead end behind me

[slow spade]

yeah getting melee'd in the back staggers you :c

I normally just rely on my block vs ragers

as you can dodge outside of their combo and energize/pull gun

[terse idol]

Bistol is just better with the grenadier build meme

Because of synergy with lethal proximity

[spiral dock]

what is the easiest way to get the weapon specialist penence?

[broken spade]

bolt pistol with grenade talents is actually so much funnier than i was expecting

14-15m radius grenades

~29m diameter bleed explosions

[tall torrent]

Yes

Ogryn nuke that self-regens

[earnest bone]

20% chance to be an ogryn-nuke parody*

unless you cash-in

[broken spade]

me not noticing the twinned blast proc and throwing an extra nade i didn't need to use anyways

[earnest bone]

i wonder if there's a mod that can help with that

[tall torrent]

Nah u can do it every minute

[earnest bone]

i would like some sound que

[tall torrent]

Demo team + demo stockpile

[earnest bone]

for double proc

[tall torrent]

Twinned blast is just occasional benefit

[full nacelle]

twinned blast smokes though

[stiff surge]

best tac axe mk?

[tall torrent]

Preference
But they’re not that good on veteran unfortunately

[stiff surge]

cringe

[elder fiber]

Idk I like them more on vet than other classes

But they're just mediocre in general lol

[tall torrent]

They scale better for zealot

[elder fiber]

idk even with piety and attack speed shit they feel worse vs armor on zealot

[tall torrent]

They just don’t do that well vs carapace & unyielding in general

[elder fiber]

yeah vet just covers that better with talents + loadout options

[tropic notch]

Is the 15 in elites really worth it if I’m building serrated blade and mercy killer knife?

[tall torrent]

If u can’t afford it, don’t take them

[tropic notch]

Dose it help any with bp?

[tall torrent]

Depends

Usually u don’t need to think about breakpoints too hard on knife

It’s inherently high RNG due to crits

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

Carapace is a good choice tho

[tropic notch]

I always choose marksman so I could push the weak spot even further

[tall torrent]

I play carapace + 2 stamina

[broken spade]

i just do cara + crit on mine
might change to unyielding

[tropic notch]

I do 10 weakspot with 5 crit

[broken spade]

uh

[tall torrent]

That’s prob the worst to go for on knife ngl

[tropic notch]

[broken spade]

weakspot damage kinda sucks

[tall torrent]

I think carapace is good cuz u get reliable 3~4 hit crushers

[tropic notch]

I’m abysmal dogshit?

[tall torrent]

2nd perk is really whatever

[tropic notch]

Yeah and helps with maulers

[tall torrent]

I run +2 stamina so I don’t need stamina curios

[broken spade]

i'm considering unyielding for 2nd perk cause it's my boss dps
and also for bulwark qol i guess. don't really need help with bulwark damage though.

[sleek garden]

today i learned very painfully that bulwark swings are extremely wide

i got hit behind the bulwark when he was winding up to hit someone else

died in one swing because my teammates were fantastically not great at listening for bursters

[pastel zealot]

I miss the moebian waves lol

[trim steppe]

Moebian waves were something else

[serene bough]

does anyone else have their audio consistently cutting in the middle of the game

[trim steppe]

It was funny watching teammates get just drowned in chaff lol

[keen elk]

I had a bunch of audio/loading issues until I moved the installation to my SSD

[serene bough]

already installed on my SSD

[viral nacelle]

Same tbh they were fun

Hope it comes back for Halloween

[exotic harness]

Tunnel rat gear

[tall torrent]

I hope they make C-I-VI & Moebian horde combo for maelstrom

[viral nacelle]

💯

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
Time to bring the worst cleave for that combo

No

In fact

Time to suffer with dclaw

[hollow ibex]

at least the heads don't have armor

[pallid harbor]

anyone cooking a cool inflitrate vet build? kind of wanted to something other than voc

[crude fiber]

• specialist damage

[languid estuary]

how do we feel about the vigilant autoguns nowadays

[tawny badger]

it's aight

[wet ether]

I would show my infiltration build but I’ve already shown it

[austere mica]

I use this as a demonstration for manstopper but the build works really well

[wet ether]

This is gonna set off allot of you veterans but VOC isn’t really all that good 😊

[austere mica]

Its pre unlocked and loaded but basically everything there is the same except I use a mk 3 knife

[hollow ibex]

damn right. VOC needs to be buffed.

it's so weak

[austere mica]

Bait used to be believable

[hollow ibex]

vet is the worst class in the game

buff VOC pls

[wet ether]

VOC doesn’t need a buff it needs a nerf

[hollow ibex]

no, it's bad and should be buffed. fatshart pls

[austere mica]

I know, I advocate for nerfing voc

One of my builds runs it and its a plasma PS build from when I started the game

[hollow ibex]

it's already been nerfed once 😭

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[austere mica]

I keep it for VoC penance basically

[austere mica]

It isn't nearly dead enough

We need to kill it harder

[wet ether]

Do us all a favour and shut the fuck up

[terse idol]

We should remove voc

And make it so it's

[hollow ibex]

least toxic azure_king moment

[terse idol]

Whisper of Cowardice

And it takes away your toughness

WoC even

[wet ether]

VOC once had 100 toughness bonus that shit was wayyyy to overpowered

[terse idol]

What noo, they should buff it so it's 200 toughness

[hollow ibex]

yes pls

[wet ether]

Yeah sure you could argue that currently VOC needs another nerf but others would argue that it needs a buff

[austere mica]

They happen to be wrong

[wet ether]

But you could also argue that VOC is in a good place

I mean the toughness that VOC provides is good enough

[hollow ibex]

it's perfectly fine as-is. it would be incredibly rude to take my crutch away. it's a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act

[wet ether]

Just increase the CD by 5 seconds or 10 seconds

That would be enough of a nerf to keep those who use VOC in check while it make those calling for a nerf happy

[hearty panther]

It's really not.

[thorn plinth]

Breached 500k damage on Auric Heresy with Dueling Sword and Bolt Pistol

Didn't get more Overkill than Actual damage this time

Out for Blood, Iron Will, Duty and Honour, Agile
It is very hard to do actual damage to me

[tall torrent]

who're the "others"

reddit people?

[serene bough]

realistically tac awareness should recieve the survivalist treatment before nerfing VOC

[arctic rampart]

154 offensive score is putting in some work. Guess your team score explains it LUL. I dunno how that other vet takes 1000 damage on a vet wtf?

[obsidian plover]

tac awareness already looks like dogshit when comparing to something like invocation of death

[shell sapphire]

If I am building a gun Vet, which guns are performing well this patch? I am focusing on single target specialist/boss killer

[hollow ibex]

revolver, bolter, vraks v IAG

recon lasgun

[arctic rampart]

same as always. plasma, zerona, infantry auto gun. bolter might be good now too

[serene bough]

yeah bolter w/ exe stance is pretty sweet

[hollow ibex]

bolter is very nice now

[arctic rampart]

pretty much you can make anything work but dont use the o.g. laspistol or the shredder

[shell sapphire]

ok, options. I just generally play Tanker Ogryn or assasin Zealot, and want to go more ranged for vet.

[hollow ibex]

og laspistol is good

[arctic rampart]

Are you queuen with a group such taht you know you can "focus" on those things?

[hollow ibex]

esp against specialists and trash enemies

[arctic rampart]

the fast one is good, the slow laspistol not so good

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[arctic rampart]

How about another question do you know what talents & melee weapon you want to run or are you open

[shell sapphire]

Nikola, not not necessarily, i have noticed people tend to play single target more than wave clear. I am a very selfless player, the few of us that play.

Oh I am open, Vet is completely unknown to me.

[orchid hemlock]

sigh

time to take out the Rashad

[shell sapphire]

lol

[orchid hemlock]

ill show u wave clear

[serene bough]

if you want a general meta set up your points would look something like this as a template

[shell sapphire]

That all to say I random queue solely right now

[arctic rampart]

@shell sapphire start with this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d519f3e-c133-4055-916b-c78714a5be0c/base-vet-2

[shell sapphire]

Cool beans

[orchid hemlock]

is survivalist "meta" anymore?

[arctic rampart]

yeah its still good

[serene bough]

its not as good and arguably not as needed

[arctic rampart]

especially if you're a newbie and don't know your ammo requirements and gonna be swapping weapons

[serene bough]

but its still more useful to everyone else compared to fire team or close and kill

[shell sapphire]

A general start will get me there, not like I am running "push" content yet

[orchid hemlock]

i would argue this would be default, unless you are going a gun that requires a lot of investment from the tree like the plasma or the recon:

[serene bough]

shredders are definitely better than kraks for most situations

esp if you take a melee like knife or rashaad that can pierce armor

[thorn plinth]

Or Dueling Sword now

[orchid hemlock]

actually fuck it:

[orchid hemlock]

no

[obsidian plover]

krak is ass after they fix the plasma

[arctic rampart]

iron will is extremely important. dipping 2 points to get "leave no one behind" is IMO crazy. kraks are just worse than frags in 90% of builds

[thorn plinth]

Might actually swap off kraks myself because the only thing I use them for are bosses

[serene bough]

the only thing kraks are good for is dummy large boss damage if geared properly

otherwise shredders just do everything

esp if you bring a weapon w/ uncanny strikes, letting you bleed through armor

[obsidian plover]

3k boss damage

isnt even good

[obsidian plover]

it's ass

[tall torrent]

Nah

[serene bough]

this is not a bait i will fall for

[orchid hemlock]

it's not bait, krak isn't nearly as bad as people think it is

[tough tiger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752106070532554833/1256326374327586977/4x6-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

i love krak

[arctic rampart]

@shell sapphire your melee weapon & ranged weapon determine the other IMO. You need to be able to deal with every enemy type so you want to take a good synergy. You can outright skip vet keystones in some builds, but in most it is better to have one. I would say "weapon specialist" is much stronger when you're using a slow melee weapon like power sword because it increases your dodge distance. In general "focus target" and its ability "redirect fire" are very strong! Bind "mark target" to mouse wheel up or down so you can mark stuff fast.

I would not recommend "marksman's focus" until you are very experienced on veteran it will train you terrible habits. Its really good on some buidls though.

[orchid hemlock]

fun fact, u can use it like a shred to CC a horde if you right click toss it

and yes there is a lot of value of being able to delete a boss, or to take out key targets like bullwalks quickly

but the main reason you take them is so you can get an extra point in the tree and get access to Agile Engagement

[tough tiger]

bullwalk

[serene bough]

assuming someone didnt snatch your kill before the detonation haha

[obsidian plover]

fun fact, frags also stun bosses for you to mag dump

[orchid hemlock]

shredder is nice, but it doesn't always justify the extra point to get to VOC and you then can't access Agile

[serene bough]

being blue balled like that is honestly enough reason to never touch kraks, the detonation time should be much shorter

[arctic rampart]

Try to get 200 toughness via 2 keystones, and 1-2 17% toughness curios. 3 stamina is good for 3rd curio. Get what you think will help you though. The strongest one is 3 ability cooldown reduction. I like 3 stamina regen, 3 sprint speed for my others.

Toughness is extremely good on veteran because of "iron will" and voice-of-command.

[serene bough]

i dont use agile engagement often

its not a mandatory pick for all builds

[orchid hemlock]

fun fact, I would prefer the boss stunned and dead than stunned

[arctic rampart]

Where's the smoke-grenades-are-best crowd? I wasn't gonna be able to argue with 10% melee damages! But.. nobody likes smoke

[orchid hemlock]

blaze it

go max stockpiling on smokes

[serene bough]

i think the vapegod build guy is sleeping

[obsidian plover]

wow I do not know that 1k extra damage from krak makes that much a difference

[tall torrent]

Only blast Center which is like 2m radius

[orchid hemlock]

that's better than frag

💀

[tall torrent]

Krak is like

[viral nacelle]

Smoke is kinda nice in gunner heavy maps

[tall torrent]

7k boss damage? Per krak? Normally

[orchid hemlock]

Krak and Frag are like equal to me

[obsidian plover]

only if you know the stun radius is about 7meters w/o improved nades

[serene bough]

i mean, you don't use frags for boss damage, you use frags for AoE stagger and bleed which clears rooms

apples and oranges

[viral nacelle]

A lot of teams are too dumb to play around gunners so if you smoke them it honestly helps a lot

[orchid hemlock]

ur telling me u waste 2 nodes for tinkerer but then complain when krak gets it for free?

[thorn plinth]

Only thing that makes sense to me, basically all I did to the BoN that showed up was throw two kraks at it and maybe shot it once in the weakpoint with bolt pistol and then I turned around to face horde, got 15k boss damage

[obsidian plover]

it's 12 w/ tinkerer

getting krak=giving up your blitz

[tough tiger]

wait does it matter where the krak lands on bosses?

[tall torrent]

No

[tough tiger]

or can u just throw willy nilly

[viral nacelle]

Krak in the krak

[orchid hemlock]

?

[tall torrent]

It’s just guaranteed 7k damage + hard stagger on boss if it sticks

[tough tiger]

i see

time to stick my loads onto them

[orchid hemlock]

give up what blitz?

[serene bough]

wish kraks got an extra slot though

[orchid hemlock]

scavenger?

[serene bough]

2 by default is kinda lame

[orchid hemlock]

oh no the horror

[arctic rampart]

kraks also cost 1 extra talent point, unless you don't take survivalist.

[orchid hemlock]

why do u need survivalist?

[arctic rampart]

because I queue with morons aka random

[orchid hemlock]

what gun are you using?

[serene bough]

survivalist is definitely not as mandatory as it used to be

[obsidian plover]

what blitz? the useless kraks

[arctic rampart]

I never have ammo problems, unless it's no-ammo map. I like buffing my teammates because they shoot bad lul

[tough tiger]

i see a lot less survivalist in auric maels now

more fire teams than ever

[orchid hemlock]

yeah yeah, useless to you because you like big explosions Megumin?

[serene bough]

for me, it doesn't make much sense to grab a blitz that can deal with bosses when you can just gear your melee to deal with bosses/armored elites

[orchid hemlock]

I dont think people realize how important it is to take out the boss as quickly as possible, because sure in a 1v1 fight, bosses are not hard to deal with. But when you hear 20 mutants coming your way with some pox bursters ready to play vollyball with u, u wish u had those kraks ngl 🤷🏻

[tough tiger]

wrong prioritization lol, its the bursters u have to kill first

[obsidian plover]

3k damage in 1.5 meter radius

wow

sounds very

bad

[orchid hemlock]

it's not 3k but ok

[obsidian plover]

it is 3k

[tall torrent]

This is just not true

[orchid hemlock]

for bosses?

[thorn plinth]

Does like 7k on my machine

[orchid hemlock]

it's 7k

[tall torrent]

I just did test

It does not boost the radius where u can stagger boss whatsoever

Either you’re misjudging what 7m looks like, or you’re confused

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1298848641045233674/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.23_-_23.19.13.05.mp4?ex=671b0e8f&is=6719bd0f&hm=87749c2a27b4be75f56ba3a1b4d1e0f451abd8a24e04bb76784754f6934a8948&

[orchid hemlock]

but hey, ig u need to make shit up to push down the non existent argument, I think there is a term for this, what was it again? 🤔

[serene bough]

won't say its useless, just that the scenarios where shredders are useful outweigh the scenarios where kraks are useful

[tall torrent]

This is true tho

[hollow ibex]

shredders are more multipurpose after all

[obsidian plover]

doesnt look like

7k

to me

))

🤔

[serene bough]

what is the max damage you can pump on kraks anyways

grabbing all buffs

[lavish token]

Iirc it’s 16k

[orchid hemlock]

does the axe have unyielding?

[tall torrent]

no

carapace + unarmored

[orchid hemlock]

is this with tinkerer?

[tall torrent]

yea

tinkerer + BID

which is like

if u play krak

[hollow ibex]

what about with red stim?

[orchid hemlock]

yeah I know

[tall torrent]

why would u not take tinkerer

[lavish token]

No focus target

[tall torrent]

x1.25 dmg

[orchid hemlock]

but I bet this Megumin role-player did it without to try to prove you "wrong"

[serene bough]

FT + Tinkerer + BiD + Red stim

[obsidian plover]

testing w/ buff and calling me wrong

sure thing man

[tall torrent]

what buff

[serene bough]

now that some good crack

[orchid hemlock]

it's just a Screenshot too, who knows what u did

[tall torrent]

nah, base is surprisingly low

it's mainly tinkerer (easy grab) and BID (easy grab)

[orchid hemlock]

yeah there is no reason u dont take tinkerer with krak, it's literally free

[tall torrent]

it's good for some reasonable boss dps and reliable stagger

frag stagger boss is doable, u just have to force the boss in blast center (not affected by tinkerer)

[obsidian plover]

doing the damage test w/ trinkerer and aura

yes you won

xd

[tall torrent]

why would u not take tinkerer if u path through krak

I kinda don't get ur argument

[lavish token]

Path is right, weeb is wrong

[orchid hemlock]

u know what u cant path into from frag, tinker

[obsidian plover]

and you know not taking survivalist is

[tall torrent]

what guns are u using

[white minnow]

we live in a society

[serene bough]

the real question is, who's brave enough to gamble twinned blast krak for double damage

(pls dont do this)

[tall torrent]

someone braver than me

I've shown the testing recordings

tinker frag does not stagger that far, it's still only blast center

[orchid hemlock]

oh no the horror, I can't get my 1% ammo every 5 seconds (maybe)

[obsidian plover]

oh wow I totally need that 5% for the breakpoint🤡

[serene bough]

you know

i once had a knife where a breakpoint was dependent on fireteam

[orchid hemlock]

I mean all vet auras are bad true, but I would prefer to save talent points

[serene bough]

if only i didnt scrap it

[tall torrent]

what gun are u using anyway that u need survivalist

boltgun?

or is this another one of those "I like shooting Vraks V too much" scenario

[hollow ibex]

close and kill tho

[lavish token]

Twinned blast is based

[obsidian plover]

boltgun/plasma no?

[orchid hemlock]

I dont care about the 5% damage 🤡

the same reason I don't care about the 1% ammo

[orchid hemlock]

[serene bough]

i wish close and kill affected something like dodge distance

[hollow ibex]

close and kill is genuinely good

[serene bough]

idk where 5% move speed is useful

[tall torrent]

Ok fair enough

[orchid hemlock]

I think all vet auras should be buffed, change my mind

[tall torrent]

I don’t think that’s enough to just write off kraks tho

[hollow ibex]

it's a noticeable difference, and surrounded by very powerful nodes

[serene bough]

how2close&kill

[orchid hemlock]

sure close and kill, but what else

😔

[deft crystal]

Ok

I have a knife + plasma

[hollow ibex]

CLOSE, KILL AND CLOSE AGAIN

[serene bough]

Well ignoring other nodes for the moment I just want to focus on the 5% movespeed

Im currently using it and I don't notice a difference

[orchid hemlock]

what is that dumpstat?

[hollow ibex]

might be because i usually take it with the 5% move speed above it too

[serene bough]

I guess it does add up, 5 + 5 + 20 stealth + knife makes you a speed demon

[deft crystal]

Movment

since I have plas gun

I want the mobility

[serene bough]

https://tenor.com/view/fpsdoug-jog-run-faster-with-a-knife-go-for-a-jog-gif-17551339

[orchid hemlock]

oh great, we have a Tanner cultist in the channel too 😭

[deft crystal]

here u mf

I have 2 knives

[orchid hemlock]

tbh, at least the first knife didn't have FT without mercy I take it all back 🤮

[deft crystal]

oh ye

i meant to change that

I dont like the inconsistency

Having to gamble in a clutch situation is bad

[serene bough]

Currently using uncanny&mercy killer on my knife

[tall torrent]

Based

[orchid hemlock]

NO PATH DONT GO TO THE DARK SIDE 😭

[deft crystal]

YAS

FT BEST

[tall torrent]

Riposte + flesh tearer is alr

[deft crystal]

Ur lacerate means nothing!

[orchid hemlock]

I just hate that u can't take uncanny and FT

Because then u never can crit

😔😔😔😔

[deft crystal]

We take what we can

Be glad fatshark doesnt have vet playtesters

and mostly ogryn

[orchid hemlock]

With Piety Zealot it works

[deft crystal]

wed be getting nerfed out the wazoo

[orchid hemlock]

It's pretty funny to give a crusher 16 stacks of bleed and watching his HP drain like a water balloon

[serene bough]

I use FT every now and then

[orchid hemlock]

I just don't get it, why does armor have anything to do with how much you are bleeding

[serene bough]

With recip and other relevant crit perks you can reach 50% crit i think, its servicable

Well, balance aside its hard to get cut wearing plates of carapace

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/lezduit-high-on-life-gif-27664524

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but Vets can't force out a crit like Zealot can

[serene bough]

Its definitely better on zealot

But it still works

[orchid hemlock]

Recip is too conditional too

The thing about Zealot is that since they can start a combo with a 100% crit, they can immediately start stacking scourge right off the bat

Piety will be up almost the entire game

Zealot's crit rate is also a bit deceptive because of how Furry and Stealth gives u 100% crit chance

[serene bough]

Well, if im running knife im gonna run recip by default. And yeah its definitely better on zealot, but 50% is still pretty high for spamming lights

[orchid hemlock]

The other problem is that Zealot because of scourge can stack bleed faster as well

Why is serrated only 1 stack? 😔 👌

[serene bough]

Dunno

But it let's you synergies with mercy killer at least

[thorn plinth]

Not necessarily making a statement for or against kraks but I swapped to frags and still got good boss damage, just kept stabbing the bastard in the face

Also leaning full into Commissar and am using 8 stack Focus Target now

[spring rose]

Difference between mk3 and mk6 PS?

[grave hawk]

any1 have an exe stance build?

[full nacelle]

several, which gun are you trying to use?

[grave hawk]

im open to suggestions

either boltgun or helbore maybe?

[nocturne mulch]

Shredder Autopistol

[grave hawk]

i refuse

[hollow ibex]

mk6 is pretty much just better

[limber hamlet]

i just came back into darktide any new things i need to learn

[spark helm]

So uh...what some a yall doin with taxe?

This thing is more fun than I remember it.

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51c076-1eb2-49c6-8cc6-9eb3a7a0950d/boltgun-sniper-3

there's my boltgun build for ya

[grave hawk]

thank you

ill try it

[full nacelle]

Oh whoops, should be two toughness curious and one stam

no problem!

you can swap out surgical for puncture as well

I've been testing both

[hollow ibex]

you don't really need cdr on exec stance

on your curio i mean

no grenade regen kinda cursed

[full nacelle]

you don't really need any curio perk, but ability CDR always feels the best imo

spamming your ability is the best thing you can be doing

and it makes you feel like a badass

you can trade off volley adapt and longshot for demo stockpile

[grave hawk]

why so much stamina?

[full nacelle]

^

[grave hawk]

i meant in general

most builds ignroe it

[full nacelle]

stamina is always good though you could also skip on Target Down! and take something else in this instance

you should always run one stamina curio though

just a universally really good thing to have

two of them if you're running a deadshot build that uses stamina for a lot of its damage

[grave hawk]

wait this feels nasty

[full nacelle]

a big reason why you might see a lot of builds not take stamina curious is a lot of people don't know what stamina does or don't play at a high enough level that it gets as much value

[dry cloak]

@grave hawk helbore build is less well rounded but when you hitbthose shots its glorious.

And bolbgun has esier to use sights

[umbral scaffold]

i think they’re asking what Stamina does at high level that makes it so valuable

[verbal burrow]

Useful in case you want to build to block attacks, or to zoom around

[verbal burrow]

Love boltgun but helbore is on my list

[umbral scaffold]

for me, i assume it important for escaping Ragers, more push/sprint, more block when you get put into a bad situation where your mobility is limited, etc

yeah that too

Stamina is Awesome™️

[full nacelle]

stamina lets you push, block, and outrun hordes, constantly reposition in a fight

the last two are the most important

[verbal burrow]

As an Ironbreaker I appreciate Stamina, but shield access is drastically lower in darktide

Vet ain’t got one

[full nacelle]

shield access?

[verbal burrow]

Yeah, only ogryn gets a shield. Psyker can create one with his space magic. So there is no real value in building for block cost reduction + stam cap + stam regen for my vet and zealot

[full nacelle]

You shouldn't be using stamina to block. It's for mobility which every class can use.

[verbal burrow]

Nonsense, I greatly enjoy blocking 40 gunners as psyker

[full nacelle]

And in fact, every class should use in higher difficulties where enemies have to be kited

[verbal burrow]

Slab shield has a cool planting ability but that locks you in place so that is not ideal

[radiant chasm]

A single +3 curio is pretty useful for PAs and deadshot as well as just making the game way comfier

Idk about kiting, holding your ground always works for me

[lost epoch]

Stamina so yummy

[radiant chasm]

Bcr is trash cause it’s not vt2, there are a lot of common mobs that ignore your block, ogryn gets massive stam by default and a single +3 curio, deflector and KD lets shield a ton of bullets

[tawny badger]

trapper jumpscare

[dry cloak]

Shiels and speae for Zealot when

[lost epoch]

Zealot guardian spear

[dry cloak]

Thats a stodes weapon

[lost epoch]

True, it would tear the zealot apart from just holding it but it would be funny as fuck

[radiant chasm]

I think power sword and shield would be the first if any for zealot

[deft crystal]

3 veg is maelstrom

easiest mission on auric

easy farm

[verbal burrow]

Same but I play captain toughness so I shout/krak/plasma my way through problems

[lost epoch]

I play veteran as a point and click adventure with revolver and the focus target keystone

[dry cloak]

Shotgun weapon specialist plus caxe

Thats my way to go

[lost epoch]

I love that build

Also double barrel and heavy sword on stealth has been fun

Saw it in a vamp video

[dry cloak]

Im used to heavy sword only being on zealot

[lost epoch]

It's solid on vet

[dry cloak]

I trust you

[stoic thorn]

I play veteran as "oh god oh god what the fuck am I doing"

[dry cloak]

Fair

[stoic thorn]

And it works

[austere mica]

That sounds like it has a massive problem with any more than 2 crushers

[tidal rapids]

Just made a build that's near full tilt right side of the tree, smoke, close and kill aura and weapon specialist. Running dueling sword and revolver. How cooked would I be if I brought this on damnation? Regular and with shock troop gauntlets?

[austere mica]

You would have a pretty severe lack of cc but that’s about it

[tidal rapids]

Infiltrate should partially make up for hopefully

[austere mica]

It really won’t

It only makes it so stuff doesn’t kill you personally

Your horde clear is still pretty anemic

[dry cloak]

kraks

[tidal rapids]

I wouldn't be playing this build if I weren't trying to do several penances together, I'm hoping that the rest of the team can cover the horde.

[austere mica]

What penances

Is it just smokes + weapon spec headshots

[tidal rapids]

Smoke enemies, suppress with infiltrate, weapons specialist assassin

[austere mica]

Take a devils claw or heavy sword

Or anything with decent horde clear

[dry cloak]

antax axe

[full nacelle]

just entered a lobby with two Voice of Command plasma vets

and left lol

[dry cloak]

good

[tidal rapids]

Might give the devil's claw a try then since I have a 500 one sitting in inventory. Meat grinder testing suggests I should be able to one or two tap carapace and unyielding enemies with dueling. With agile blessing, in theory shouldn't be short on dodges either. In theory...

[austere mica]

Devils claw preferred mk is 4 (7 is clunky and 1 just sucks) and the blessings/ perks are rampage/shred + flak maniac

[tidal rapids]

Will need to do some grinding and sacrifices then since I last used devil's claw during the carnival update and haven't collected any of the blessings.

[austere mica]

Most of its blessings suck

You only want like 3

[primal dune]

I played in a lobby with 2 shout vets. They died in the first room somehow

[dry cloak]

thats shout vets for you

[wet ether]

truth behind those words

what sort of vets are the least likely to get downed i wonder

[primal dune]

Infiltrate vets are rare

Stance vets are usually good

[wet ether]

wait hold just how rare are us infiltrate vets?

[primal dune]

Ah a fellow infil vet

[wet ether]

mhm

[primal dune]

I don't see them often at all

Which i'd say is understandable

[wet ether]

why that?

[primal dune]

Infil is expensive point wise if you want frags and survivalist (which you usually do). You also need to be good at surviving to make the most out of it and you need more gamesense to not waste it, especially with 2 charges

[wet ether]

heh

[austere mica]

I generally ignore survivalist unless it’s convenient at this point, I find I don’t use enough ammo to need it

If I’m running infil I’m using those points to do something more fun than get extra ammo I don’t really need

[primal dune]

I run mk5 autogun so i prefer to run it

And i really want frags so i have to pivot anyway

[full nacelle]

That is incredibly impressive actually

[austere mica]

Conversely, smokes are my favorite grenade

[full nacelle]

Infiltrate is harder to work into builds but the ones that do use it I love ❤️

[primal dune]

What are they good for?

(not being snarky, i just don't use them)

[full nacelle]

you are a true hipster! I'm going to give my smoke grenadier build a go for the umpteenth time to see if I change my mind

[austere mica]

They prevent ranged anything from attacking you with bullets

Nothing can shoot you while inside

It also forces specials to re-acquire you as a target when they step inside

Smokes basically count as a solid surface for shooter ai

You can also toss them at the enemies you want to stop shooting instead of at your feet, or inbetween them and you

[primal dune]

Alright, thanks

[mental halo]

i mostly play veteran even tho my first character i pick is psyker

[shadow dagger]

oh.

my recon las build doesnt let my powersword 2tap crushers without focus target

thats unfortunate

[wet ether]

ya know whats funny veteran was actually my first character

joined darktide a week after the class overhaul happened

when vet didn't have a keystone

[primal dune]

I remember playing psyker first during the closed beta

[mental halo]

some people told me to play as psyker since the update

[earnest bone]

it has some stupid broken builds that will get nerfed later

but Fatsharks are slow and there's vacation season soon

so probably a nerf will come in february or march

until that it's free estate

[mental halo]

aw

[frank ether]

remember when ppl said this for plasma

[tall torrent]

Plasma is not remotely as strong as staff m1 spam

[mental halo]

i only bought outfits for veteren

got the death corps of kreig outfit

[tall torrent]

And plasma is unironically the most diverse weapon in terms of blessing & perk choices

6 out of its 8 blessings are good and have a reason to be used

4 perks that give different breakpoints depending on talent set-up

[mental halo]

i never got the mask but i only got the steel legion mask

[earnest bone]

later when you'l be comfortable with the game

you can even recolor it via mods

and change a few things

[dry cloak]

More helbore blessing when

[tall torrent]

I wish half the weapons in the game had as competitive blessing choices as plasma

[dry cloak]

Delete plasma

[mental halo]

eh its annoying to wait for an outfit you wanted

[earnest bone]

i can only name knife and that's it

what else

[tall torrent]

Knife has 5/10 good blessings

Plasma is 6/8

The remaining 2 being volatile and shattering impact

Knife is prob the closest in terms of blessing variety tho

[mental halo]

oh right i got a skin for my lasgun

[earnest bone]

Tactical axes probably too

you can go with
Shred-Headtaker-Decimator-BrutalMomentum

[tall torrent]

Kind of? But Tac axes play like you’re missing 1 blessing slot lol

Need headtaker for breakpoints
Need shred for actual crit dps
Need BM for horde clear

[mental halo]

im a terrible shot

[tall torrent]

[earnest bone]

Yeah, that's why they better on Zealot, you can cover crit part with Piety + Scourge

[tall torrent]

It has some interesting stuff

[earnest bone]

and Headtaker + Decimator vs Headtaker + BM has its benefits

[tall torrent]

Slaughter spree is pretty cool

Agile is pretty cool

[mental halo]

any funny names you guys make for your characters?

[earnest bone]

sacrificing damage for utility nggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhh arghhhhhh

[tall torrent]

My ogryn is named “goob”

[mental halo]

Hermit

[austere mica]

I’ve got Spine Deficient (psyker)

[earnest bone]

my ogryn is named PenanceFarming or something

[frank ether]

that doesn't make the power creep situation sound any better than it is lmao

[mental halo]

I name my vet killroy

[earnest bone]

since it was made just for some penance farming

[mental halo]

Joe Ogryn

[earnest bone]

already exists like 20 of them

[austere mica]

Also Manstopperhunter (also psyker, guess what they were for)

[mental halo]

I name my zealot Xen

[tall torrent]

Yea, plasma needs some nerfs (uncharged shots’ cleave, ammo cost & maybe auto-vent)