veteran-class

[shadow dagger]

why does this make bulwarks spin faster than i can strafe

[tall torrent]

Downside: my GPU heat went up by 6 degrees

See guide

[broken spade]

maybe try undervolting your gpu if you really need the better temps

[mortal horizon]

is it dum dum/infernus - or headhunter for crit stringes is wanted on recon XII

[gritty zenith]

dum dum infernus is the ususal build

I believe

[slow spade]

could try something stupid like this

[shadow dagger]

surely this is not the best i can do with a recon las build

[slow spade]

Agile Engagement is to cover how many damage nodes you're giving up for this meme lol

[broken spade]

i ran knife with my grenade meme build and i had to give up keystone cause it's so point heavy

but it's funny

[slow spade]

honestly not sure what melee to bring for this build

probably p-sword or something

[broken spade]

that's probably the logical answer

however

bleed knife

[slow spade]

if only we had a grenade on a stick melee option

[broken spade]

bistol does bleed, grenade does bleed, get the bleed on melee node

funny bleed stacks

[slow spade]

Khorne approves

[broken spade]

uncanny on the knife to further boost bleed damage

[deft crystal]

Is there such a thing as a bad build or a bad player

[slow spade]

was worried that the lack of melee nodes would be pain for the knife :p

[broken spade]

the amount of points I had to give up for the grenade memes, making knife function, and bistol breakpoints left me broken
I have no keystone

[slow spade]

after inspecting people in lobby and playing quickplay, ABSOLUTELY

[tall torrent]

I can’t because it’s apparently manufacturer locked

[broken spade]

it still works though

[deft crystal]

LMAO shhhhhh

[broken spade]

but it's like, not a great build

[slow spade]

:p

I saw someone join a fucking Auric Damnation with NO skillpoints

[deft crystal]

OH wanna see something that happened while I was doing atomas elite

[slow spade]

"name here I think you forgot to select a loadout"

[deft crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1298117705995390976/Clip_-_10212024_75432_PM.mp4?ex=67190e92&is=6717bd12&hm=4952d913977e162b86763f08790968679e5165ce97d8f6920565917b532f96eb&

[slow spade]

readies up

[deft crystal]

U can hear me gasp as it happens

[slow spade]

should have had a better build UwU

[deft crystal]

REAL

Honestly skill issue

[slow spade]

oh I thought the grenade bonked on him and knocked him off lol

[broken spade]

this is correct
Simply cripple your build further and make this abomination

[deft crystal]

No dog dived me down

[tall torrent]

Playing hab dreyko for Atoman elite is like

Certified bad time lol

[deft crystal]

I cant control the maelstrom :p

[slow spade]

lol rip Atoma claims another vet

[deft crystal]

I couldve sworn I heard the dog do a whole monologue and screamed for nurgle

[ocean idol]

You don't need anything for knife to function, it is op

[slow spade]

magnificent, I went for ping keystone for further damage boosts but knife + uncanny should cover

[shadow dagger]

did they buff the onscreen stim effect

[ocean idol]

Why fire frenzy is owrse than dum-dum?

[shadow dagger]

yeesh

[slow spade]

oh lol did you use a stim while in Infiltrate?

[shadow dagger]

nope

[slow spade]

shit is hilariously unplayable

[shadow dagger]

raw conc stim

oh ew

this feels like double dose motion blur

[broken spade]

it's like just barely enough to reach bistol breakpoints
flamer headshot lives at 7 hp and dies in 1 bleed tick
Knife needed the crit and stamina recovery node to function
so like it's everything it needs to just barely work

[tall torrent]

Nah, if u want to treat knife as a serious melee weapon (not just a movement tool where u spam PA), it has the highest point cost of any melee for veteran

[tall torrent]

Because strength being multiplicative increase leads to higher numbers

[ocean idol]

... they both add close range damage

[tall torrent]

No

Deathspitter is +6.5% T.str

Fire frenzy is +10% C.damage

[broken spade]

he said dum dum

[tall torrent]

Oh dum dum vs fire frenzy

[ocean idol]

bruh, i said nothing about deaspitter

[tall torrent]

Ok then still dum dum

Because u stack dum dum from hits

Not per kill

[ocean idol]

but just 2 kills get you same amount of damage increase as full stakcs of dum dum?

And you mostly want vrak for horde clear?

[tall torrent]

Which gun?

Vraks V?

[hidden linden]

Hey, would this me okay as a temporary stopping point for someone who can't roll a 69/71 plasma rifle?

[tall torrent]

I’m not sure it’ll still have 8 shots continuously

[ocean idol]

yes

[broken spade]

thermal res below 69

[tame lodge]

I'd say yes

[ocean idol]

Wait, does melee vet has higher crit chance than zealot without Piety?

[hidden linden]

ah so it's an important breaking point, I see, thanks

[tawdry jackal]

cant seem to find a recon lasgun build im happy with that gets all the recommended talents

[tall torrent]

The 20% C.damage difference is not high enough to be worth having a worse stacking method imo

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tropic abyss]

are laslasers hitscan or fast projectiles?

[tall torrent]

Hitscan

[tropic abyss]

plasma is also hitscan?

[tall torrent]

Yes

Every single veteran gun is hitscan

[ocean idol]

Which are recommended?

You only want brittleness on light recon

[broken spade]

I think all the non-hitscan stuff is just the projectiles with a very obvious travel time

[tall torrent]

The only non-hitscan are psyker staff projectiles and Ogryn’s rumbler & grenade gauntlet

[ocean idol]

and i generally prefer heavy one

[tawdry jackal]

Superiority Complex
Rending Strikes: Flak, Maniac
Reciprocity
Onslaught
Ranged DMG Boost
Crit Chance Boost

im doing the heavy recon lasgun

XIV

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to run onslaught for XIV

[broken spade]

Throwing knife?

[tall torrent]

That too

[supple stag]

Onslaught only really works fine with Vraks V or the fastest recon imo

And that's really only for magdumping crushers

[hollow ibex]

Still not worth it imo

[slow spade]

yeah I only go Onslaught if I want to mag dump everything

[supple stag]

Melee is overall better for them, yes

[slow spade]

or I don't go for Rending Strikes

[ocean idol]

i use this for recon

[slow spade]

krak

[tropic abyss]

they won't admit it but crushers actually like being magdumped in the face

[hollow ibex]

The pathing alone ruins it for me

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/71F7WYZ.png skipped onslaught. Running mk6 powersword as the melee option

[ocean idol]

why not Makrsman?

[tall torrent]

get opening salvo

u also want 5% crit chance tbh

[tawdry jackal]

im not relying on headshots but gotcha

getting the 5% crit chance was kinda hard without going middle

[ocean idol]

... why?

[tall torrent]

u can drop keystone for recon

[tame lodge]

Not enough finesse

[tall torrent]

u can also drop shooter highlight imo

[tall torrent]

marksman is not finesse

marksman is +strength

[tawdry jackal]

was hoping to use shooter highlight to stay in the executioner stance forever

[slow spade]

sadly keystone is pretty expensive for recon

[tame lodge]

Oh right
Forgot the focus

[slow spade]

while you can get it, its likely not worth

[tawdry jackal]

this build is meant to wipe out the specials and also the gunline

[ocean idol]

Ranged finesse strength and finesse are different things?

[tall torrent]

strength & finesse are 2 different things

u can read the guide to learn more

[ocean idol]

yeah, no siht, not what i asked

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/CwvGfOy.png

i guess i dont need exe stance for the gunline or i can keep reproccing it by popping some specials

[umbral scaffold]

fatshark moment

[tall torrent]

ingame tooltip being wack

it's +R.finesse

doesn't change strength value whatsoever

[ocean idol]

overall which recon objectively better?

Heavy one?

[slow spade]

I find the fastest fire rate one to be more reliable

as I have a lot of "proc per hit" bonuses

[tall torrent]

XII / XIV up to preference

[ocean idol]

also me taking headhunter on recons probably was a mistake?

[ocean idol]

Like what?

Is infernus still considered to be meme?

I kinda like it

[slow spade]

headhunter, dumdum, Onslaught

[ocean idol]

I get like 1/6 of my total damage as fire damage

[slow spade]

meme but its not like it bricks the gun

just please

get crit

[ocean idol]

bruh

[slow spade]

idk why people take infernus and take no crit

[ocean idol]

you mean dead shot?

[slow spade]

that's likely a trap

[umbral scaffold]

does crit double Infernus burn stacks or no

[slow spade]

I meant more like Reprocity and the +5% crit node

[slow spade]

good question, honestly not sure

[ocean idol]

because i might be taxing talent-wise?

[slow spade]

I mean you can probably go Deadshot with 3x stamina curios

but that's a tad risky lol

[umbral scaffold]

i’ve always wondered if it does. i know Flamer crits double burn stacks but that’s it

[ocean idol]

nah, another reason why Marksman a good option - headshot kills restore 10% stamina

[umbral scaffold]

Vet with 3 stam

[ocean idol]

and Focus Target also has upgrade to restore stamina

[slow spade]

isn't that with upgrades though?

[ocean idol]

I would run 3 stam, if i had 3 curious with +3 stam 😦

[slow spade]

personally I find it a bit too expensive :c

[ocean idol]

But i only 1 have

and a bunch of stam 2

[umbral scaffold]

seriously

[ocean idol]

how the hell do i find stam 3

[tall torrent]

infernus applies 4 burn stacks (up to 12) on critical hit
recon has crit string of 2
so every crit string applies 8 stacks (still up to 12)

[ocean idol]

yeah, so?

[slow spade]

recon is very point expensive

[umbral scaffold]

get lucky at Melk’s and maybe Brunt’s Requisition

[ocean idol]

Just don't take brittleness

[hollow ibex]

Vet in general is very expensive

[slow spade]

I prefer to simply reroute my build than sacrifice

[ocean idol]

and reciprocity in my opinion is not reliable way to get crits

[umbral scaffold]

nice! thanks for lettin us know G

[slow spade]

its not, headhunter is

Infernus, by nature, is shit

[tall torrent]

they fixed its stacking a while back

[slow spade]

its not like you're going optimal anyways

[ocean idol]

is chsword shit?

[deft crystal]

Uncanny + riposte
Uncanny + Precog
Precog + riposte?

for a knife

[slow spade]

its usable

[deft crystal]

with a revolver

[slow spade]

that's the best I got for it

[golden tiger]

whatre the best blessings/perks for infantry lasgun?

[deft crystal]

I cant decide

[ocean idol]

Fleshterer + lacerate

[deft crystal]

Bleed is overated

[ocean idol]

You are overrated

[slow spade]

I personally go Deadly Accurate + Headhunter

Maniac + Elite

[umbral scaffold]

Assault Chainsword?

if so, definitely useable but nothing gamebreaking

imo a fun weapon

especially with Desperado

[slow spade]

chainsword with weapon specialist is funny

[golden tiger]

thank you

[slow spade]

+25% speed lets you cleave through enemies

just don't get stuck

[slow spade]

np comrade, I hope you can hit headshots

[ocean idol]

there is only 1 chsword

[umbral scaffold]

two by technicality

but one by name

[tall torrent]

flak + maniac
headhunter + ghost

[umbral scaffold]

my bad

[golden tiger]

lol i try to, im going for the shoot down range penance so i need a good long-range weapon

[umbral scaffold]

i thought you were talking about Eviscerator at first

part of me is a little shocked it isn’t on Vet for the Commissar larpers

but then the difference between Vet and Zealot would shrink even more

[tawdry jackal]

ok i fucked around, i honestly do want the human glow: https://i.imgur.com/T0TBRpA.png

lets me stay in executioner stance indefinitely popping heads and i can dodge to stack up on reciprocity

like against ranged fire i'm being shot at enough to dodge up to max stacks and just having to keep it procced

im thinking recon las xiv and shovel mk1 for weapons set, dumdum and deathspitter on the recon, uncanny strike and skullcrusher on the shovel. Kraks covers crushers and contribute to boss kills

it could be optimized more but I tested it with creature spawner and it feels right so far.

It's doing exactly what I need it to do: which is neutralize the ranged threats ASAP and to keep me in exe stance so im not suppressed/am punching above the belt

[slow spade]

queue into game -> only bulwarks

[floral hearth]

could be worse

could be crushers

might be subjective tho

[tawdry jackal]

gonna put carapace damage on my mk1 shovel to help with heavy attacking these dudes

[floral hearth]

are you set on the mk1?

[tawdry jackal]

yes

its primary purpose is horde clear and its doing it very well

[floral hearth]

fair enough

[tawdry jackal]

i looked at the heavy damage it does per swing and i think rending strikes+carapace armor damage would assist, could be wrong. It was swapped for flak

[ocean idol]

Anyone else having fps issue after update?

Everyfuckn time

[hearty panther]

excellent, I've made it to the second level at the ripe age of 40

[tall torrent]

I had heat problems

[hearty panther]

the perfect age for kung fu clubbing

[tall torrent]

The I downloaded the DLSS3-to-FSR3 frame gen mod

And it’s unironically

Almost 20 Celsius lower

So it has to be fatshark’s botched implementation of FSR3

[orchid hemlock]

Wait there is a mod for this?

[tame lodge]

canned laughter

[tall torrent]

on nexus

I was coping so hard earlier today

[orchid hemlock]

Is it actually worth it?

[tall torrent]

because my game just goes turbo hot

81~82 celsius in gameplay

[ocean idol]

I don't understand why they removed actual full screen, what for?

[tall torrent]

then I remembered this mod (I uninstalled it after they added FSR3 frame gen)

I downloaded it back

tried it

62 celsius in mourningstar
66 celsius in psykhanium

well that says a lot

idk if I should push my graphics higher up tho

mesh LOD seems to impact GPU usage quite a bit

[limber lodge]

deer god how miny hours

[scarlet vessel]

me left zealot right, i think he was using shredder autopistol constantly red/0 ammo but still cant kill any elites

bro was magdumping into ice on heatshield

[verbal burrow]

Man that Rashad axe's melee headshot shenanigans is really growing on me

[muted prairie]

gentlemen, i am pleased to announce that with them fixing the plasma bulwark bug, it has also fixed the plasma blocked by arms bug. oh baby, no more dealing half damage bodyshots every once in a while

[digital cargo]

Welcome new Rashad enjoyer

[clear lantern]

My axe's running horizontal headshot is still my bread and butter

[tawdry jackal]

plasma....good again?

i can shoot through bulwarks again?

[hollow ibex]

Plasma was never bad jfc lmao

[primal zealot]

It was yesterday

[muted prairie]

nah, it's not quite that back, it just deals a bit of damage to bulwarks again

[hollow ibex]

It’s still one of the best vet guns

Even when it couldn’t shoot through shields

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha

[umbral scaffold]

If anyone ever
Tells you plasma is bad they are more delusional then people that say mobility is a dump stat

[broken spade]

most people are running plasma with VoC anyways
Who even cares about bulwarks blocking them?

[slow spade]

it was bad like 1.5 years ago maybe

[broken spade]

just scream at the bulwarks

[slow spade]

lol

[umbral scaffold]

I mean voice of command and plasma is the biggest bread and butter loadout imaginable

[left patrol]

plasma is bad because i personally dislike it and my opinions are always objectively right 100% of the time

[slow spade]

omg same

[umbral scaffold]

[broken spade]

yeah it was kinda bad at launch

[slow spade]

venting removing hp UwU

[broken spade]

they should bring that back

[umbral scaffold]

It was bad mainly cause people couldn’t handle the chip damage to health, but that was it, it never needed to shoot through bulwurks jsut change the chip damage to toughness … which they did but THEN they added other shit ontop of it

They Overbuffed the weapon and I told everyone as it got buff to use it over Bolter, none of them listened cause I was speaking the truth

[slow spade]

they should also bring back always bleed-through melee because fuck vets Uwu

[slow spade]

I mean it also did shit damage

but the hp part did hurt

[umbral scaffold]

The damage was never the issue in year 1 imo it felt the same

Executioner was more busted then it is now

[slow spade]

Executioner used to give +50% damage instead of 25% damage and 25% weakspot and -75% toughness damage resist

if you think its better now

you're on crack

[broken spade]

holy shit you brought back horrible memories

back when toughness curios nerfed you cause of the bug

[umbral scaffold]

75 percent on a perk you chose not flat out

[slow spade]

lol yeah where it used to effectively reduce your hp

[umbral scaffold]

It was still perk tied, like it is now….

[umbral scaffold]

I’m not check the old perks

[slow spade]

that doesn't change anything

[umbral scaffold]

It wasn’t tied on its own you still had to choose the perk

[slow spade]

executioner now is shit compared to old

[umbral scaffold]

And I said executioner was busted on release not now

[slow spade]

its just easier to use now

[umbral scaffold]

No they buffed it to be good

[slow spade]

bro

[umbral scaffold]

It’s just shout exists

[broken spade]

yeah executioner stance is weaker now
but we're also just stronger overall cause of tree

[slow spade]

yeah you just don't know what you're talking about lol

[umbral scaffold]

Year 1 executioner was best , today it’s ok it’s not strong as it was

[slow spade]

ignoring

[umbral scaffold]

I think you’re mis reading my point

[umbral scaffold]

That I agree

Lots of shit to stack

They spreaded it out a lot

[tawdry jackal]

inhales deeply SUCK MY [REDACTED] blams w plasma

[umbral scaffold]

^

Damn I got ignored by an ignorant man

[tawdry jackal]

im still more comfortable with boltguns but its easier for me to vent heat in a crisis to squeeze off two more shots typically than reload an emptied boltgun

[umbral scaffold]

I can see them adding a plasma pistol

[tawdry jackal]

oh that'll be lit

[umbral scaffold]

Bet that shit be mroe busted

[tawdry jackal]

yeah because babby plasma same damage

[umbral scaffold]

Since mobility is crazy needed for many horde situations

Well spam left click no need to hard charge “or can’t” and get mobility of a pistol to boot

[dreamy spade]

I don't play vet anymore, since the new psyker tree and the fact zealots can now use duel swords

Goodbye vet builds 🫡

[broken spade]

yeah but vet gets weapon specialist

that's some fun shit the other classes don't have

[tawdry jackal]

I keep being told mobility above 50% doesn’t do much for you

Why would the meta have it as a dumpstat otherwise? @tall torrent did his research and covered the weapons in his guide.

If it was worthwhile he’d be advocating for it

[slow spade]

from what I understand, damage is their idea of a dump stat because you can use damage nodes to compensate

[broken spade]

some weapons would suffer a lot from damage dump

[slow spade]

which is stupid because using points to exchange for dodge distance is a terrible trade

[tawdry jackal]

Why would I want to compensate instead of maximizing killing potential

[broken spade]

there are some breakpoints you just can't reach if you dump damage

[slow spade]

don't ask me, its Midas spreading that nonsense

[tawdry jackal]

That shit don’t make sense. Threats need to be eliminated as quickly as possible. You can generate space and room to maneuver by literally killing a lane open

Got it

Well as long as they are enjoying themselves

[hollow ibex]

But that entire five mm of dodge you get!

[slow spade]

even power sword is fine with mobility dump stat

if Power sword of all things can dump mobility, that tells you all you need to know about mobility

[hollow ibex]

Yah

[broken spade]

power sword doesn't even need to make this decision
You can dump cleave targets without caring

[slow spade]

its an example of how shit 80% mobility is

as even power sword is fine with 60% mobility

[broken spade]

anyways 60% mobility isn't even low

[slow spade]

indeed

especially if you run Weapon Specialist

which buffs dodge anyways

[broken spade]

people forget the days of having shit crafting where "dump stat" meant actually completely abandoning the stat

where people would show like 30% mobility and people would be like "ideally you wanna get 51% if it has an extra dodge, but it's fine"

everything having 60% is a godsend

[tall torrent]

Honestly
As long as u get optimal breakpoints, the stats that don’t contribute to breakpoints can be whatever

[gritty zenith]

Anyone know how vigilants are performing on monstros?

I made a build and was wrecking reapers, so figured it should wreck monstros too but didn't get the chance to test it

[arctic rampart]

Does power sword still break after the hotfix? Ever since lock & loaded one hit from a mob even with full toughness or yellow toughness would have the potential to kill your PS charges. Wondering if that got resolved?

[slow spade]

that's still here

it is what it is

[arctic rampart]

hmm I might just keep using dueling sword. stab stab.

[slow spade]

at the very least you can trust how many swings you have left now

[arctic rampart]

Can you? If one mob hits you you got 0

[slow spade]

aka you know exactly how many you have c:

[arctic rampart]

I'm going to write fatshark an inconvenience ticket.

[wet ether]

.....i hate lights out

[arctic rampart]

Bind target enemy to mouse wheel up or down. Target enemies more often. NP then.

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/feed-the-horse-gif-12336566489948133150

[broken spade]

Speaking of breakpoints, i just had a cursed thought
Does plasma have any ammo breakpoints? Like a point where it rounds and stops giving you more ammo from pickups? Cause I only really care about ammo stat for the purpose of income.
Imagine if a perfect plasma was something like 79 ammo or something to optimize charge rate even further

[arctic rampart]

Max ammo = more ammo from survivalist

[wet ether]

thats not the problem i like being able to see wtf i'm shooting at

[arctic rampart]

If you stack all the things plasma has some great breakpoints and reduced ammo usage from it. And obviously aiming properly

[umbral scaffold]

They litterally added one of the nodes within the main one if anything its stronger it never got nerfed

Anf the only timr it did was the initial rework

[broken spade]

yeah ik but i don't really care about survivalist

i just want the max amount of ammo for pickups

[umbral scaffold]

(Loss of the instant-reload on launching the ability)

[gusty niche]

WHAT IS WITH THIS SERVER AND HORSES

[umbral scaffold]

Cant even horse arround god damn

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-smile-hungry-feed-me-gif-10862144

[arctic rampart]

max out your weapon and then have 80% ammo then

[broken spade]

actually i guess plasma has too big of a number for there to be any rounding weirdness with ammo

[arctic rampart]

AFAIKT ammo for plasma is not a problem unless no ammo run

[broken spade]

yeah none of this matters but i want to know what's hypothetically perfect

plasma doesn't dump it's other stats for free

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma is really good in ammo economy but not shocktrooper helbore with surgical kinda deal

Kinda just like boltgun

[winter grove]

71% charge
69% thermal

[broken spade]

yeah it's just fine imo

[winter grove]

Everything else 80%

[broken spade]

okay but what if you could dump ammo by a couple percent and get even more charge?

[winter grove]

Gave you perfect plasma stat spread

[umbral scaffold]

Tbf ive always picked charge for dump

[broken spade]

i already knew 71 charge 69 was the best you could do with 80% ammo

[winter grove]

Plasma has no dump stats

:)

[umbral scaffold]

Helps you take your charged shot more carefully

[broken spade]

that wasn't my question

i wanted to know how much ammo you can drop ammo with minimal loss to bring charge rate even further

if there's any funny rounding with it

[umbral scaffold]

Besides you wouldnt be spamming alt anyway if you wanted any ammo left unless theres like 2 mobstruosities in the way that need slaying from afar

[broken spade]

i guess there wouldn't be any benefitial rounding cause the ammo is numbers in the hundreds

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

If the ammos near the 700 maybe but here you just got just bellow 200 to work with

Not alot so it wouldnt change much

[broken spade]

iirc one of the shotguns can lose some percentage in ammo without losing any income (aside from survivalist) but that's cause the number is so low that it just rounds up

i'm sure the same could be said for some of the low ammo ogryn weapons

[broken spade]

well no, if the numbers higher, there can't be rounding saves

[tall torrent]

78% in ammo

[umbral scaffold]

You could consider this your dump stat if you wabyed if you dont care all that much about a ammo change

[tall torrent]

Which, at that point, u might as well go 80

[broken spade]

if the number is really low, like if you only got 1 ammo per pickup, then dumping ammo wouldn't do anything negative

[broken spade]

yeah but those insane 2% charge rate gains

gotta land those frame perfect shots

[slow spade]

its perfect

or its trash

no in-between

[vernal wharf]

if anyone cares i got on overwatch and i want to say thanks to all for the advice.

[broken spade]

congrats!

[normal river]

Do tagged enemy kills made by allies count for focus soldier?

[normal river]

what strategy did you use? I heared hanging on a ledge for the whole mission works but seems stupid

[radiant chasm]

what weapons are immune to suppression/aren't bothered by it

i know plasma gun is one

[tame lodge]

RAAAGH

Helbores have minimal sway

Shotguns

[broken spade]

I can live with the laspistol suppression

[tame lodge]

Laspistol

[placid portal]

Helbores: "Supression? What's that?"

[wet ether]

las recon supression??? the fuck is that

[broken spade]

Also bolt pistol suppression is fine now

[radiant chasm]

with the sway/recoil buffs is determined still a must for bolter?

[tall torrent]

Minimal sway:
Laspistol
Helbore
V.autogun
Boltgun
Bolt pistol

Fully immune:
Autopistol
C.shotgun
DB.shotgun
Plasma

[radiant chasm]

okay

thanks

[vocal magnet]

is surprise attack worth it with infiltrate? the 5s duration does seem fairly short

[tall torrent]

No

[radiant chasm]

nope

only good nodes there is two charges and 10 seconds with no aggro

[placid portal]

I miss old Close damage 30%+ from the Close Combat Passive when Vets didn't have any keystones

[tall torrent]

What talent was that

[placid shoal]

man love crashing all the time after a new update

[vocal magnet]

ah i see, thanks

[tall torrent]

Close quarters Killzone?

[placid portal]

the current 15% close damage boost on Skill activation

[tall torrent]

Oh

I mean

[placid portal]

used to be 30% which is funny

[tall torrent]

Back then marksman was the truly broken one

[placid portal]

how so 🤔

[broken spade]

my personal test for whether i consider suppression acceptable is when I can line up a bodyshot 15m away while being fired at

[tall torrent]

+50% power on weakspot hits for 10s on ability activation

Now it’s nerfed to 20%

[broken spade]

as long as i can still shoot them, it's fine

[green willow]

state of the build address

[hollow ibex]

that's certainly a build...

[green willow]

its all over the place but works

[potent canyon]

Lmao, is that a combat blade customized to look like a revolver?

[green willow]

lolll yea it is

customization mod

mk6 or mk3 knife?

[potent canyon]

Absolutely degenerate

I'm stealing

[deft crystal]

Trying to come up with the perfect all rounder veteran

in terms of weapons

Was thinking knife + plasgun

Or rashaad + vraks

dueling + vraks

[steep vault]

AR enjoyer

Me too

[green willow]

based

[gusty niche]

what

[tall torrent]

Rashad + revolver/plasma/boltgun

[analog yacht]

why rashad over ds?

[tall torrent]

Horde

[analog yacht]

hm, I'll give it a shot

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=UmLaaY_Iwn0RgVyK

[thorn plinth]

"Man, I don't really like melee on Veteran." Sees Dueling Sword

[tall torrent]

Is this malice or smth

[thorn plinth]

Heresy

Why I only have two wounds

[tall torrent]

Because heresy & damnation have 2 wounds for human classes

Ogryn gets 3

[thorn plinth]

It wasn't a question

[tall torrent]

Oh

Ok

Somehow some way you had more overkill than actual damage

[thorn plinth]

Funny poking with MkIV Dueling Sword when you don't necessarily need to

Want the enemy dead immediately so I just poke them in the face, probably does way more damage than they have health

But ya, melee Vet with max mobility Dueling Sword and two Zealots so we basically speedran the mission

Just got it to 500 after that mission though

Cleave was only like 28% during that mission

[verbal burrow]

Gotta say that so far the Zarona doesn’t feel as good as the Bolter, but y’all were right about the Rashad, so ima let that revolver marinate in my gameplay sessions for another week to see how it vibes with full upgrades

[thorn plinth]

Moved up to Auric Heresy now that my Dueling Sword is maxxed, comfortable enough that I MIGHT move to Damnation on Vet

Mostly play Ogryn and Psyker and even though I'm an Illisi Psyker, my Vet is somehow more melee focused

As you can see, my Overkill was higher than my Actual AGAIN

Bean was also a based Dueling Sword chad

[honest pine]

where do you get those kinds of stats from ? Modded?

[wet ether]

Is overkill a bad thing?

[wet ether]

The mod is known as score board

[verbal burrow]

I feel that is subjective. Just because your weapon was built to one shot larger targets, doesn’t mean you should not melee chaff with it

[honest pine]

ty

[thorn plinth]

Yea, it really depends on who you ask

Some may say Overkill is bad because it's "inefficient" and the funny scoreboard lists the person with lowest Overkill as the best in that stat

[tall torrent]

Usually, no
But if u have more overkill than actual damage then you’re prob doing smth in excess

[thorn plinth]

Personally doesn't matter, things die, and if my Overkill is higher than my Actual, that just means their soul is dead too. They ain't coming back

[hasty pecan]

Hi would love to have a recon Vet build. Anyone can DM one ?

[thorn plinth]

Now if your Overkill is higher than Actual (or just high) and you're mostly using a ranged weapon (and aren't Psyker using a staff), you possibly shouldn't be using that gun on whatever you're shooting to get that much overkill

(Personally think even using an autogun to kill poxwalkers EVERY horde is bad but that's just me as a melee enjoyer, kind of a waste of resources)

I see a lot of sub-30 or around 30 Vets doing that mess all of the time

I actually don't even "waste" my Kraks on Crushers and Maulers anymore because I can just poke them in the face, might use them on Bulwark groups but I mostly save them for boss damage

Mostly poke Bulwarks in the face as well but it gets kind of annoying when they're in a group and block eachother

[tall torrent]

it's hard for automatic weapons to have high overkill

u have to like, deal 900 dmg in 1 hit against an enemy with 300hp

then u get 600 overkill dmg

[wet ether]

Gotta ask my fellow vets this why do y’all hate field improv so much

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad
It just comes down to how many luxury points u have at the end of ur build

[wet ether]

Well you gotta remember I need that to be apart of my build

Since one of y’all helped me with this build

[buoyant knoll]

anybody notice there something wrong about the update? Like it feels not the same even tho the old setting is switched back

[gilded wraith]

Check your FOV setting.

[wet ether]

Nothing wrong with the update lol

[gilded wraith]

Real impacts the feels of movement.

[thorn plinth]

Surprised I got most damage with Dueling Sword, three Branx Ogryn

(Auric Heresy)

Funny commissar and his three large sons

[buoyant knoll]

thats why im asking? Like im not accusing them of anything?

[thorn plinth]

My tree if anyone wants to point out anything stupid I might be using

Relics basically all the same

[austere mica]

That is a lot of stupid

Why grim resist

Of all things

[thorn plinth]

Iunno, Vermintide 2 brain

[wet ether]

incase someone picks up a grim

[austere mica]

Grims only show up once in a blue moon

And people are even less likely to take them

[thorn plinth]

I usually always grab it when I see it

Unless there's an Ogryn

[wet ether]

same

[austere mica]

You could have Stam regen, gunner resist, get the snipers breakpoint

[thorn plinth]

Gunner might be good but I don't think I need stam regen

[austere mica]

What gun are you using

[thorn plinth]

Bolt pistol

[wet ether]

let the man be you karkin loser

[austere mica]

Cause your tree is also pretty suspect

[austere mica]

They asked for advice

[wet ether]

if he wants to play with grim resist let him

[austere mica]

Wield speed and toughness on kills is ok if you want it but I would recommend putting those points somewhere else

[tall torrent]

they fucked optimization

[austere mica]

That traversal node above smokes is a really weird choice

[thorn plinth]

Really didn't care for the swap speed, mostly wanted the toughness

[austere mica]

Toughness on swap for weapon spec is better spent on Iron Will

[tall torrent]

there's like a flat 10 celsius difference between DLSS frame gen mod and game's FSR3 frame gen implementation

[thorn plinth]

Traversal node?

Not using movement speed

Took the melee damage below it

[austere mica]

Non talent basic stats node

Just below smokes

Not above, might be stupid

[wet ether]

my brother in christ i dont mean to be that guy but why no iron will

[thorn plinth]

If ya'll think Iron Will is better than On Your Toes, I'll take it, probably IS better because I only swap off melee to shoot ranged elites and disablers

[wet ether]

oh 100%

[thorn plinth]

Always Prepared is also probably mid but I was taking it to get On Your Toes mostly

At least on Bolt Pistol

Bolt Pistol isn't THAT slow to reload

(At least as someone with 200+ levels in Ogryn )

[austere mica]

Always prepared is the only good node on weapon spec

[thorn plinth]

Using a Dueling Sword, you guys think taking off the +10% melee damage to get Rending Strikes, Bring it Down, or Onslaught is a good idea? (I mention Onslaught but I feel like for the most part that's bad on Dueling Sword because I don't hit the same enemy that many times if it's not a Monstrosity)

[quick zinc]

Dies anyone have a dps chart for recon lasgun dum dum vs headhunter?

[thorn plinth]

Thinking Bring it Down over Rending atm

Nah wait

Get rid of Close Quarters Killzone and either still take the melee damage or take Rending but either way also take Bring it Down

[hollow ibex]

can you attack as fast with a dueling sword as you can fire a recon las mk xii?

prob not

don't take onslaught

[austere mica]

That’s a really weird justification

[thorn plinth]

Wait

Which one's Onslaught I don't have that equipped

[hollow ibex]

the point is that onslaught isn't worth on melee weapons, what's weird about that lol

[austere mica]

The way you phrased it

[thorn plinth]

Oh wait, I'm stupid, mentioned it earlier

Completely threw that out of my brain because I had already decided I wasn't taking it

[hollow ibex]

oh, good idea

it's a noob trap

ah, found the noob reacting to me

[thorn plinth]

Said in the same message that I don't even hit enemies enough times with Dueling Sword to get anything out of it

[hollow ibex]

weird way to out yourself, i'd be embarrassed

[austere mica]

Onslaught has use cases

Like the stupid high rpm guns

[hollow ibex]

very few, and generally questionable still

[austere mica]

Other than that not really

[austere mica]

It works, pretty easy to stack 35% brittleness on stuff that matters with mk5 IAG or the fast recon (they renumbered it and I don’t remember what it’s called)

[tall torrent]

u don't need onslaught outside of like 3 guns

[hollow ibex]

wait what's the 3rd

there's mk12 recon, vraks v

and graia braced?

[broken spade]

that's all i can think of too

[austere mica]

You are going to perish

Unless that psyker can deal with horde

[thorn plinth]

I can deal with horde though, refer to

[grand perch]

I think it's beautiful, three different classes united by their dueling swords

[thorn plinth]

M1 spam and dodge spam with Agile is good enough on hordes

[grand perch]

Now give Ogryn one

[austere mica]

I’m sorry how the actual fuck

Were they asleep?

[hollow ibex]

DS isn't absolutely horrible against hordes tbf

not great, but it's manageable

[austere mica]

Find me something (melee) that is worse

Or 2 something’s

[grand perch]

Chaxe

Mk3 knife

One mark of tac axe

[austere mica]

I find the first really hard to believe but I wouldn’t be horribly surprised if it’s true

[thorn plinth]

Personally think DS is pretty good against hordes on Vet, otherwise I probably wouldn't be using it

Was first weapon I used that I felt really comfortable against hordes with

[austere mica]

Probably because infinite dodges

[frank basin]

keep dodging just keep dodging

[wet ether]

sorry mate but i'm far from a noob

[hollow ibex]

actions speak louder than words

[wet ether]

and yet we are talking via words

[fervent estuary]

olla. are ranged critical hits still bugged ? dont have time to test right now

[austere mica]

What do you mean

This could mean any number of things

[broken spade]

game has millions of bugs
gotta be more specific

[fervent estuary]

the bug that u dont do any headshot damage when critting on weakspots. u just do the critical dmg without the headshot multiplier

[austere mica]

I have never heard of this

[fervent estuary]

i mean it is ackknowledged. and i tested it for 2 hours last time.
ill just check later

[verbal burrow]

People sometimes talk to me about breakpoints and dps, but frankly I build to give my team access to toughness and dps buffs. I still oneshot specials and elites, and I still chop hordes. I don’t get the fuss.

[verbal burrow]

Have you tried doing that while listening to Jesper Kyd?

[hollow ibex]

try using bolt pistol on damnation and you'll get it

[verbal burrow]

I don’t even own one

[thorn plinth]

Going well atm

[hollow ibex]

such an incredibly frustrating gun lol

[thorn plinth]

Keep swapping places with the funny Psyker though

[wet ether]

might wanna remember that for future reference because anything we say or react to online are just words

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/digging-thank-you-gif-8141656698417804254

[wet ether]

that old sane that you just said applies actions done in real life

[round jetty]

????? why is my darktide doing this

[thorn plinth]

Didn't win the damage game

Won the overkill damage game though

As in too much

Way too much

[wet ether]

also i got one last thing to say anything we say here online aint even a real conversation

because it aint face to face thats a real conversation

[hollow ibex]

if you wanted a conversation, you wouldn't have started with clown react emotes

[thorn plinth]

Forgot to mention, even though one of them had the pickaxe mastery skin, I don't think any of them knew the Branx horde clear combo

Literally watched one just light spamming

[hallow drift]

Haven’t tried it on vet but on zealot it’s really great

[hollow ibex]

lol case in point.

[thorn plinth]

The one with the mastery skin might've actually been using Karsolas though

[hollow ibex]

idk about zealot, but on vet, it misses some pretty crucial breakpoints just by a tiny bit unless you run exec stance

it's pretty brutal when you only have 8 rounds in the mag

[thorn plinth]

Actually, confirm that, the one with the mastery skin was DEFINITELY using Karsolas, remember watching a Crusher stagger towards one of the Ogryn

[hallow drift]

I mostly use it like the Ogryn rock. Oh a trapper? Quickdraw BLAM, back to horde clear

[tall torrent]

low resolution

[thorn plinth]

Basically what I'm doing right now, using Dueling Sword and Bolt Pistol but I have my DS out 99% of the time

[hallow drift]

I’ve been loving laspistol for my vet. Basically delete anything holding a rifle, and I’ve got my PS for anything big that gets close

[hallow drift]

When it comes to zealot, I feel a similar connection with the eviscerator that a genie might have to their bottle

Every time I play a match without it I’m like “yeah rapidly bonking everything to death with the taxe was cool but like, what if I just did everything sort of okay?”

[frank basin]

i laugh at vet hogging ammos

[thorn plinth]

What's ammo?

[deft crystal]

ME when survivalist

[frank basin]

am in strike team 1 vc watching revolver vet hogging ammo

[deft crystal]

SHHHHHHHHHH

[thorn plinth]

Revolver

[frank basin]

[thorn plinth]

Hogging ammo

[hallow drift]

I need to roll up a good Lucius

[dry cloak]

Thammer supremacy

[deft crystal]

Dont expose me like that 😭

[hallow drift]

Just be nearly 100% ammo efficient and not pick up a single box as a flex

[steady edge]

Emperor forgive me, for I have tried the Plasma Gun

I like it, but I'm sticking with my Recon Lasgun

[dry cloak]

Surgical, and second blessibg of your choice

[hallow drift]

What’s the shtick for the Recon las?

I feel like I wouldn’t know when I wasn’t just pissing ammo, but it looks so fun

[thorn plinth]

Literally what I used to do, but I'm doing way better barely using a gun

[dry cloak]

Laser show that kills

[steady edge]

Fuller auto

that's the schtick

it's a full auto lasgun

[dry cloak]

Yes

[hallow drift]

Do you typically pair it with a single target melee?

[frank basin]

i ran full auto las infantry mk4

[dry cloak]

Mk4 is the heavy one yes?

[steady edge]

it works with anti-armor melee since it melts hordes and unarmored bosses

I'm trying Power Sword with it

[thorn plinth]

Specifically Lucius has the highest ADS damage, yes

[hallow drift]

Niiiice. How’s it handle maulers?

[dry cloak]

Full auto mod

[steady edge]

although I don't know what variation to use with either

Scandar or Achlys power sword, and brown or green recon las

[dry cloak]

I recognize weapons by basic skin

[steady edge]

poorly

but that's what your melee is for

[hallow drift]

I think the Lucius 3 is the good one I wanna aim for. Longest charge time and best iron sights

My buddy HATES the posts

[dry cloak]

That would be the brown one

[steady edge]

after having used the Plasma Gun, I find the Lucius weird

[dry cloak]

Not unusual

[frank basin]

true

[steady edge]

it has a bayonet, fires instantly and doesn't have to worry about heat, but is less damage than the Plasma and has a weirdly long weapon switch time

[hallow drift]

The only thing I hate about the Lucius 3 is that you swing the bayonet

[thorn plinth]

I was trying to use a horde clear melee but I couldn't really find a GOOD one on Vet (even though I'm an Illisi Psyker, I don't like Power Sword). Technically I'm using a "single target" melee with a single target ranged weapon now (dueling sword and bolt pistol) but personally (even though others will vehemently disagree) I think Dueling Sword is a good horde weapon

[hallow drift]

That stab was so disrespectful when you just round a corner into a trapper

[dry cloak]

I have weapon custom mod so i ha e a scope on my helbore

[hallow drift]

I miss my old Lucius 2 from when I was leveling

[hallow drift]

I’m so afraid of getting softbanned after Dks2

[dry cloak]

Dks2?

[dry cloak]

Try heavy sword

[hallow drift]

Dark Souls 2 would softban you from the multiplayer if it detected illegitimate items

You wouldn’t be totally banned, but you could only play with other people who’d been tagged

[thorn plinth]

But me want poke Crushers in the face and kill them

[dry cloak]

But this is darktide and weapon custom mod falls under fatsharks modding policy

So banx dont worry

[thorn plinth]

[dry cloak]

And its CLIENT SIDE so only you see the mods

[dry cloak]

Fair

[full nacelle]

My vigilant autogun users, should I be running Deadshot?

[thorn plinth]

Even though I don't INSTANTLY delete the horde, I still get pretty high lesser enemies killed

[dry cloak]

With burst ones

With graia get surgical

[full nacelle]

Deadshot is a talent

[hallow drift]

The parts that worry me are two big ones, but it’s my own paranoia

A. I don’t know their stance on modding beyond stuff like the scoreboard
B. Adding a scope is one thing, but the other parts like adding a flashlight technically changes the weapon’s code on a deeper level and Im afraid of that being used as an argument

[dry cloak]

Its fairly good

[dry cloak]

Its does not because only you see the loght from the flashlight

Its client side

[hallow drift]

But it replaces your weapon’s special function

[dry cloak]

Yes

[hallow drift]

So technically you’re modifying the weapon, not so much just the model like with a GameBanana skin

[dry cloak]

A lot of people use this and werent banned

[hallow drift]

Sure, but there’s a reason that so many descriptions put out the obligatory “If you get zapped using this, don’t come to me”

[dry cloak]

So dont be paranoid

[tall torrent]

try rashad

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ

[steady edge]

I have two questions regarding variants

first up, which Power Sword variant is better? Scandar or Achlys?

[jaunty rune]

whichever one is power sword 6 where the push attack is a stab

[steady edge]

Achlys

[dry cloak]

So dont be paranoid

[trim steppe]

They've said outright that if you aren't ruining the experience of others, and you aren't skipping the gameplay progression (modding in resources or map jumping or anything crazy) then they don't really care about modding

[steady edge]

ok, second question: which recon las variant?

i'm using the green one with the letter in its variant name

something-b

[jaunty rune]

most people enjoy 12 because onslaught lets it shred armor

also satisfying with the fullest auto

[steady edge]

Onslaught

[deft crystal]

One more

[steady edge]

Onslaught?

[deft crystal]

someone

please

halp

[steady edge]

you are truly the guardsman of all time

[deft crystal]

I try

[jaunty rune]

a talent in the tree on the lower right, it stacks brittleness and lets you melt through stuff like maulers and crushers if you feel like just shooting them

[deft crystal]

"for 10000 years this weak sack of flesh has held the line. Whats your exscuse monster?"

[steady edge]

oh

[deft crystal]

Pity The Guardsman

is such a good speech

[deft crystal]

Although my positioning and coherency need work

[frank basin]

Just don’t try hoard another ammo on revolver

[deft crystal]

and me being an absolute ammo whore

YEAH

LMAO

[frank basin]

I saw you eat a lot stimm like drug addict

[deft crystal]

Listen man

I can stop when I want

[frank basin]

Everytime you pick stimm up you mouse 1 lmao

[tall torrent]

Good luck
U could wait for like a ranged-only maelstrom, or a I-II

Those are the easiest

[deft crystal]

I was like

I can use my history as prrof

that i did it legit

[tall torrent]

Too bad people kinda don’t care

[deft crystal]

Its for my own sanity

[tall torrent]

The most “skill determinant” flex is prob Orthus Champion insignia

[deft crystal]

I AM GOING TO MURDER RNJESUS

[frank basin]

I remember some guy gave his account to me just dire title

Like he need me like a mercenary

[deft crystal]

Its not even hard anymore

[frank basin]

[deft crystal]

they dumbed down the amount of bad that spawnas

Like those crusher/mauiler packs u used

to get

its like 1 or 2 at a time now

last time I went in

Unless I got lucky

[tall torrent]

could be

[austere mica]

I want to play twins Hardmode but I’m to lazy to unlock it and I don’t have any friends who play more than like once a month maybe

[tall torrent]

it used to be 6 mauler jumpscare in gas stage 2

from the door behind

[deft crystal]

We could prob do it rq

[frank basin]

I swap game to New world Aeternum for long time not playing Darktide

[austere mica]

I’m sitting in bed rn

[frank basin]

Now am bored

And am on the bed too

[deft crystal]

Twins isnt bad u just need taunt ogryn

#ogryn-class

[frank basin]

Tauntgryn

[deft crystal]

I love me tauntgryns

[frank basin]

Tauntgryn shield

Tank class

[deft crystal]

Do yall go to lower difficulties and like suffer because theres not enough stuff to proc toughness or buffs off of

[tall torrent]

one taunt ogryn to trivialize rinda's presence
one veteran to wipe every elite spawn
it's pretty much just that

[deft crystal]

then ur just sitting there like wtf do i do

[narrow frost]

Damn

Of course I get off at the worst time

[austere mica]

I play heresy when I’m not broke

[frank basin]

Me veteran use graia braced auto.

[deft crystal]

AINZ

U LEFT ME

[narrow frost]

A 3 veg and twins

[deft crystal]

I had one more!!

[narrow frost]

Sad

Tired

Have classes tomorrow at 8am, it's now 12;24 in the morning

[frank basin]

Is 2 morning here lmao

[deft crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-energy-monster-energy-drink-monster-lsd-monster-energy-drink-gif-20383636

[frank basin]

Lmao

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-coffee-time-coffee-break-breakfast-we-love-coffee-gif-2751057489798252069

[deft crystal]

Ok

so yall arent ready for this

I hope you all feel old now

[grand perch]

Massive ridiculous toughness damage reduction during exec my beloved

[deft crystal]

tbf

we still got the 83% reduction

Just not during exe

[dry cloak]

I didnt experience this

[deft crystal]

U youngins wouldnt understand

Peak darktide gaming

Although

[junior grail]

That's a talent tree I've not seen in a very long time...

[deft crystal]

I remember the skills being more ornate

is like rows

[junior grail]

Gambling with Mommy Hadron

[deft crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

Then if one thing was off

[junior grail]

Back when Psyker had shotguns before it was cool

[deft crystal]

you had to spend another 1 to 3k

[junior grail]

2-3 Damnations for one weapon

[tall torrent]

we don't

dmg reduction stacks multiplicatively

[junior grail]

Back when Vet was superior, no questions asked

Now Vets just shout a lot

[tall torrent]

close order drill + iron will + 5% TDR above VoC is around x32% toughness dmg taken

so ~68% TDR total

[grand perch]

And let's not forget instant reload on exec activation

[junior grail]

Double mag Bolter into a boss

The Hub Sister should also record the game development progress other than achievements

[vivid silo]

You forgot exhilerating takedown and the 10% node.

[hallow drift]

Yeah I found the old forum message. I was at work so I couldn't look it up but this puts my mind at ease about a lot of stuff

[placid portal]

This is beta right? I miss reload on skill activation

[deft crystal]

p sure ye

been a long time

[dire olive]

Reload and toughness

I don't even think it was that busted when it was between that or the duration extension on kill

[earnest bone]

gib reload on skill activation, time to make bolter numbah 1

[dry cloak]

Exe stance bolter is goooood

[placid portal]

Esp when you get that perfect weakpoint chain onto a poor monster

If Boltgun can shoot that fast, Can't Imagine Storm Bolter

[deft crystal]

I am so happy

[placid portal]

Hurrah

[dry cloak]

Bolter at 1200 rpm

Look up space marine 1 storm bolter

[tidal rapids]

Brunt has the most interesting inventory

[dry cloak]

Yes

[stoic thorn]

No finesse

[wet ether]

oi idiots turns out onslaught is effected by melee

here ya proof for those of ya who dont believe me

[placid portal]

.... thought it was explained how hits apply brittle and it didnt specify melee/ranged

[deft crystal]

yea

[deft crystal]

You do solo runs on vet right?

[wet ether]

some dumbass earlier today my time gave out false information to someone in this discord

[placid portal]

Damn

[wet ether]

nah i'm a team player bro

[deft crystal]

btw what did u come into vc and yell

All I heard was ainz

[wet ether]

ainz being a dickhead with a gif that the man posted earlier

put simply digging myself a deeper hole or some shit

[placid portal]

Been using Mk7 Headhunter Autogun

Feels great

But iron having a fat nub is absolutely irritating

At least Infantry had a Hair thickness iron

[wet ether]

weapon customization thats all i gotta say my friend

[placid portal]

Real

[placid portal]

What is your favorite sight option btw, Im going between kantrael and Accratan

[wet ether]

personally its the accatran mll variant

[wet ether]

for me it is

[placid portal]

The one with dotted cross instead of box with dot center right? I like that one too

[wet ether]

this one a close second is the DEV WIP

[placid portal]

Yea that variant is my fav too, have alot of good performance with it

[wet ether]

also currently using the recon lasgun MK VIc fires just as fast as the MKXII

when at full stacks for the weapon spec

[placid portal]

Cant remember recon names so it's the green lasgun right?

Sounds insane

[wet ether]

the blue one is the fastest firing

the green lasgun is second fastest

[placid portal]

So you use green one to shoot fast as blue one

[wet ether]

when at full stacks of weapon spec yes

[placid portal]

What 20% fire rate boost does

[wet ether]

watch the video

[placid portal]

Just did

[wet ether]

that what max stacks of weapon spec does for the green one

blue one feels like there no difference

[verbal burrow]

I carry a backpack to hog all my ammo

[verbal burrow]

That is the part about revolver I dislike

[verbal burrow]

So?

[formal hamlet]

Are crack grenades still good against hordes in a pinch, or a waste?

[steady edge]

it's like using a boltgun, but instead of taking forever to pull out I have a delay between shots

[supple stag]

Wouldn't bother throwing kraks at hordes, shredder frags are made for that

[formal hamlet]

I only ask because I was just playing with randoms and the guys who kept dying kept saying "use your grenades" in the chat, but I had krak grenades and figured they're not going to do much to clear the horde to try and get a revive.

I thought maybe they're better than I think for that if these guys are spamming it in chat while dead.

[supple stag]

If he kept dying it's his problem

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it did seem a bit weird getting backseat gamed by dead people when I wasn't dying but I'm pretty casual at the game myself.

[supple stag]

Kraks have really small blast radius when compared to frags

[formal hamlet]

I'm running helbore lasgun so I bought kraks along just so I got something to easily deal with carapace armoured dudes in a pinch.

[supple stag]

You really pull them out for Bulwarks, Maulers, Crushers, maybe reapers and bosses

[formal hamlet]

Man, malice feels like cakewalk, but heresy feels RNG wether or not we'll clear with randoms.

[supple stag]

People try to bite more than they can chew, don't bother yourself too much with occasional yappers

[formal hamlet]

Are there any good resources for builds? I hate build crafting in games, I sorta just wanna be told what to set up for a particular gun or playstyle I want to play.

[supple stag]

Check pins for classes you're interested in

For Vet there's a very detailed guide

[formal hamlet]

Oh yeah I think I opened some of these in a tab last night but didn't check through them yet.

The hammer of the emperor one?

[supple stag]

For Veteran, yes

[vivid silo]

It's generally not a good idea, but they CAN give a little bit of space for a pickup of a teammate. It helps if you have the Lethal Proximity on a Bolt Pistol which increases the radius a bit. I'd reckon that maybe 1/100 - 1/200 of my Kraks are against basic horde enemies though.

[formal hamlet]

I'm playing Vet 90% of the time so that's pretty much my meat and potatoes, I level zealot on the side if I've got time, but I just like to pew pew as much as possible.

Also are all weapons perfectly viable? I can just run whatever I think is cool?

[verbal burrow]

Basically imagine having a ranged weapon but instead of providing competent overwatch for your team by one shotting dangerous specials and elites, you spray the horde with lasers

[supple stag]

Most weapons are fine and can be used effectively

[formal hamlet]

I've pretty much exclusively used the helbore lasgun, plasma gun, and a bit of recon lasgun from time to time, with power sword being my only melee. Kinda want to branch out a bit more lately, see what else I might enjoy.

[verbal burrow]

Lucius / Helbore is supposed to be used in a charge up way.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah, quick charged shots.

Favourite weapon.

I just bayonet for melee 90% of the time too, genuinely good alt fire option.

[vivid silo]

I really like the Bolt Pistol currently, several blessings that are pretty fun to play with

[formal hamlet]

Kinda interested in trying out the bolter at some point.

[vivid silo]

Aye the Bolter seems pretty strong at the moment, at least for a more ranged-oriented playstyle

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I just worry about ammo consumption.

[vivid silo]

Just hog all the ammo

[verbal burrow]

Ye

[formal hamlet]

That's what every other random is doing.

[vivid silo]

True! That's part of the reason I play a more melee-oriented style

Makes me less reliant on such things

[formal hamlet]

I have ammo perks which carry me.

I run Helbore most of the time, pretty much don't need to pick up ammo.

[vivid silo]

Aye they are awesome for their efficiency

[formal hamlet]

But if I'm on the plasma gun, I gotta pray teammates actually leave me some to keep pewing.

[verbal burrow]

I kinda do, but mostly because headpatting the adorable new players who don’t have it is important

[mortal kite]

Hey guys new to veteran here curious if there is a one stop all rounder build that can deal with everything horde, specials, elites, armor and bosses probably won't be as good as a specialized one but in general.... I know player skill is the most important but what's the best build to enable the expression of that skill?

[rigid pilot]

You mean you want a really bad build

Or the most vanilla faceroll vet build

[wet ether]

welp this is fiinally what my vet build is now

[formal hamlet]

Y'know, all this time playing Vet, I've never messed around with the commando side of the tree, I'm gonna grab a random combat knife and revolver and try to play Commando style.

[umbral scaffold]

still superior

[rigid pilot]

Knife and doublebarrel* 😎

[wet ether]

My build for vet is a hybrid of frontline and support

[wet ether]

The current build I have is a personal build of mine but it works

But I do believe it does abit of everything

[drowsy aspen]

...Yea ig what is meant by "a bit of everything"

My weapon swap + krakk grenade + stealth vet has an answer for most things

Not sustained boss damage or heavy carapace

...I feel like most builds need to be very well rounded

You can't rely on a specialist ally very often in this game