veteran-class

[terse idol]

Tanner mentioned

[pseudo fiber]

Tanner video

[terse idol]

Wait you're tanner?

[slow spade]

yippie c:

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[umbral scaffold]

I’m not Tanner no

[serene bough]

tanner posting

[slow spade]

I have nothing to do at work. This is all I have

[somber adder]

I knew it was a Tanner dude

[terse idol]

Okay here's the take

Some weapons can't reach

The breakpoints

[broken spade]

is this a copypasta?

[terse idol]

Even with talents

[umbral scaffold]

I mean read it if you want but that’s my opinion I alreayd heard yours I’m off to irl stuff now

[terse idol]

And you're telling people that dumping damage is okay because in your opinion

You value mobility higher

You may as well dump ammo

[umbral scaffold]

No I just typed it , it took me 10min

[terse idol]

For mobility

And for high damage

[broken spade]

Again, the context is a revolver

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[terse idol]

And yes okay if we gonna roll it back to the revolver

[umbral scaffold]

My context is mobility in general he is bringing revolver for no reason

[broken spade]

an already fast mobility weapon that is also breakpoint sensitive

[faint beacon]

Using Tanner as a reference

[terse idol]

You do want to get every point of damage to meet breakpoints

Like you ain't using the rashad

Without max damage

[faint beacon]

Grave sin

[somber adder]

It's funny though

[umbral scaffold]

Womp womp ok sinner who else explains mobility in extreme detail

[misty delta]

common misplay

[terse idol]

Like weapons with piss poor mobility don't get more benefit from high mobility because the trade off was always mobility for damage

[slow spade]

I find sacrificing points for damage compared to mobility highly sus

[broken spade]

The revolver was the start of the conversation and the thing people were taking issue with from the start

[terse idol]

Yeess

[pseudo fiber]

If you don't wanna dump mobility dump reload speed revolver

[terse idol]

I already gave my takes

[pseudo fiber]

You wanna dump damage play flamer

[terse idol]

Just dump ammo

Jesus

[faint beacon]

This is the same guy who said uncanny is shit when rending directly buffs all damage output including Bleed

[umbral scaffold]

Ok so then drop this lol

[terse idol]

Broo

You're just not engaging!

[umbral scaffold]

I never said uncanny is bad…. Unless you’re referring to Tanner

[somber adder]

Just dump everything and play a 210 grey revolver

[hearty panther]

id rather like 70/70 reload/pen and 80 mob on revo

[terse idol]

You gave me a paragraph and then I respond

And get nothing back

Oh my lord

[hearty panther]

actually, 70/70 crit/pen

[earnest bone]

and Burn* bring back 60% rending FS

[umbral scaffold]

That’s a good balance

[terse idol]

You might as well

Dump reload speed

[somber adder]

Smudgel, breathe lol

[terse idol]

No!

I'm gonna turn blue!

[hearty panther]

nah, ive had all my revos at 80 reload for too long

[terse idol]

(I'm already blue)

[hearty panther]

my brain does the reload cancels automatically

[terse idol]

If i were green I would die

[hearty panther]

if its too low it fucks me all up lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Blue from malding maybe

[somber adder]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-eiffel65-gif-14330492

[terse idol]

You just

[serene bough]

i just dont use revolver

[terse idol]

Don't want to respond

That's it

[umbral scaffold]

Head Hunter??

[serene bough]

so i cant comment on these stat nuance

[terse idol]

You only want your opinion

[misty delta]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-brba-breaking-bad-gif-26777019

[umbral scaffold]

1 blocked message

[serene bough]

IIb ilas is my go to

[somber adder]

It's getting spicy

[umbral scaffold]

Aaah nice

[terse idol]

Vehicular manslaughter

[misty delta]

[terse idol]

Weak!

Mfs when they max mobility dump damage

Smh

[serene bough]

holy crap lois

[terse idol]

And don't want to take accountability for bad advice

[slow spade]

blocking people?

well now I know which is correct

[somber adder]

[broken spade]

sounds like some people just want to push their opinion instead of actually discussing things

[misty delta]

blocking people is.. fine, I guess. But @‘ing the guy you blocked to point it out is a brand new low

[terse idol]

Dang json you right I shoulda just stuck on revolver

[somber adder]

I mean if people are just stuck to "I prefer it this way" there's little to argue other than you potentially getting a concession out of them that it's not optimal

[hearty panther]

tanner's just easy to dunk because he's clearly sensitive and makes it easy to do so

[umbral scaffold]

Hey Lois check this shit out

[hearty panther]

but he does give good advice. just in the shittiest possible way.

[broken spade]

didn't you know, as soon as you hit 79% mobility you become a snail

[umbral scaffold]

I just blocked him jsut now so idk what you’re talking about

[steady edge]

[somber adder]

This lol

[umbral scaffold]

That I agree plus he used his mental illness as an excuse for shit

[serene bough]

he has game knowledge but his rage baiting and general contentious attitude makes him prone to inconsistencies and contradictions

which in turn makes his information unreliable

[hearty panther]

yea thats part of the shittiness

reaches a correct conclusion but the wrong way

[umbral scaffold]

Oh his Witchfire review is alreayd contradicting i called it out on the server too and he did a failed no hit run on the game cause he didn’t do the vaults in the map

So it’s not even a true no hit run at all he tends to lie a lot which is shitty behavior

[steady edge]

Um so which infantry lasgun do I use? Right now I’m using the green/top one, I don’t remember the number

[slow spade]

oh fuck I forgot abou Witchfire

I need to try that one

[umbral scaffold]

Green or Tan

[faint beacon]

Referring to Tanner, it’s common he has really fucking bad takes

[umbral scaffold]

Doesn’t matter

[serene bough]

i havent watched any of his newer videos, i just saw a few when he was still lurking this discord and just dismissed the rest of them

[misty delta]

Tan lasgun is kinda shit ngl

just go green

[serene bough]

Blue or green, tan is bad

[dire olive]

They're all a bit shit right now to be fair

[serene bough]

Blue IIb, green VII, tan IX

[dire olive]

Relatively speaking

[umbral scaffold]

Let’s just say, his wotchfire videos on advice there is bad…. I even asked the boys on the discord there and they all agree it contradicts what is really meta

[steady edge]

[slow spade]

god I don't know the new names

fucking Kantreal MG La is my go to

[umbral scaffold]

I miss the old names

[somber adder]

Lasguns are just decisively average compared to the other extremely strong weapons that everyone has access to now

[serene bough]

i think people sleep on the IIb lasgun too much

[dire olive]

Yeah that's why I added "relatively" afterwards

[serene bough]

its an extremely versatile weapon

[hearty panther]

theyre just kinda boring

[somber adder]

Didn't see that, fair enough

[steady edge]

I still have to try the recon las and the infantry autoguns, and decide if I want to use a shotgun

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore exists that’s why :/

[slow spade]

honestly if they weren't fucking semi-auto in game with thousands of enemies lol

[steady edge]

Helbore is finicky

Like

[serene bough]

im not a fan of the helbores

[lavish token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1281888137626517504/caption.gif

[misty delta]

I only use infantry la if I want a sight 🤷

[umbral scaffold]

It is but it’s so much better over Infantry

[steady edge]

They take forever to pull out for some reason

[serene bough]

IIb has the ammo count, fire rate, and efficiency to keep up with the high influx of enemies

but VII is a good pick too w/ Exe stance

[steady edge]

Which sucks because I like my Krieg fantasy with the Helbores

[umbral scaffold]

Pull out I’m use to, I mained the gun since year 1 and pretty much it’s surgical and brittleness blessings on the green variant and that’s it

[hearty panther]

just never unequip your helbore

its that shrimple

[misty delta]

just animation cancel it with either exe stance or VoC

[hearty panther]

anyone else is a fake krieger and stealing valour

[steady edge]

naurrr

[tropic abyss]

I forget the colours but the fast firing ilas is the weakest one

[steady edge]

I’m a Vermintide player

[tropic abyss]

too little damage

[steady edge]

I need my melee

[umbral scaffold]

Well you can unequip just run executioner stance and press F to auto equip it

[steady edge]

[serene bough]

remember the days when bayonet shenanigans existed

[idle swallow]

Im a helbore fanatic ride or die, it's what I take when I gotta do all the special/gunner sniping myself and also deal with ragers and mutants at the same time

[tropic abyss]

the others are good

[lavish token]

2% difference between 60-80% mobility

[serene bough]

its arguably the best one atm

[idle swallow]

fastest firing helbore is kino

[viral nacelle]

i may try out infantry las support build but im pretty sure even force feeding my team toughness wont compensate for the lack of me just hard carrying with damage output

[lavish token]

When damage scales multiplicative with blessings and talents + weapon based scaling

[dire olive]

I think the problem is it needs to headshot and doing so consistently is harder when you need to hit more/faster

[umbral scaffold]

Is it 2% on what specifically … blocking ?

[serene bough]

IIb (blue) and VII (green) and broadly reaching the same breakpoints without exe aand it uses less ammo, reloads less often, instant sprint to fire, lower hipfire spread, and much larger ammo efficiency

[lavish token]

Dodge distance

Basically completely irrelevant

[tropic abyss]

the problem is that against some enemies a headshot isn't enough

you have to build for it

[hearty panther]

mobility has no benefit to blocking

[viral nacelle]

like whats sad is it is super easy to play a support build but most people suck at actually doing damage so if you can play a kill build and you want to win you should always do that

[tropic abyss]

more than you need to with other options

[hearty panther]

only defenses does (but it doesnt say so)

[umbral scaffold]

But if it’s just dodge distance that still makes mobility good so idk what the point is

[serene bough]

well if you build into it you can 2-tap most specialists/elites and 1-tap the commons

[lavish token]

2%

[faint beacon]

Look you can lose out on 2% distance for killing the enemy

WAY FASTER

[serene bough]

but thats the downside i suppose, you need to gear your build pretty heavily to make it work competently

[umbral scaffold]

Exactly my point so it’s like…. If the only change is 2% of a 60-80 on mobility then what else does it show for the other stars mobility effects

[lavish token]

Verses up to 800 damage

Lmao

[terse idol]

Glory hunter born leader my... questionable build

[dire olive]

Yeah but if you take green to just one shot them that's one less shot you that you might miss

[slow spade]

at the very least, gunners fear you

[misty delta]

it’s not that questionable

[faint beacon]

Literally the difference between hitting BPs and not

[terse idol]

Damn damage that either instantly kills all your toughness

[umbral scaffold]

Cause if it’s just 2% on dodge distance you’re sharing then you should share more info on what the other stats entail not just dodge distance

[serene bough]

green doesnt 1hko all enemies

[viral nacelle]

i do it with plas + chainsword and ive hard carried thru auric maels with it by just being unkillable horde clear

[serene bough]

and you need to take exe to 1hko certain enemies

[steady edge]

Confession: my aim isn’t that good lol

[hearty panther]

well sprint speed is dependent on the weapon

[viral nacelle]

the force feeding of toughness goes a long way with moderately competent people

[umbral scaffold]

Executioner is needed for infantry

[terse idol]

The issue is like topping off is great, useful in uh, gunner hordes? All fixed by voc

[viral nacelle]

but with the dumb players its worthless

[terse idol]

Hmm

I'll cook it again to test

[misty delta]

I’m trying to play devil’s advocate just let me have this

[serene bough]

i only use executioner stance w/ green VII las, but if you're running the IIb then you shouldn't bother w/ exec stance

[viral nacelle]

taking a toughness gain perk on the plas is actually good ngl

[dire olive]

I just think it's a slightly lower skill ceiling

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah it all depends on the weapon overall

[terse idol]

I do prefer gets hot and glory hunter imo

[dire olive]

Not a straight upgrade

[viral nacelle]

not good in the sense that it is good at killing stuff but good in that it lets you shit out so much toughness by sniping specials

[serene bough]

well, considering my playtime with the IIb iLas i almost always prefer that mark over the other two

i may just be partial in my choice

[idle swallow]

If they bumped born leader to 25% team share or a little higher, I would probably take it more often

[misty delta]

faster pew pew = more fun

simple as

[serene bough]

faster pew pew with all the same breakpoints as the VII w/o exec stance

it's just numerically superior

[slow spade]

I always take Born Leader just because its the most useful one there

like "10% damage for 5 secs when usng ult" lol

[terse idol]

I can like ahh

[slow spade]

and "suppression" also lol

[misty delta]

what perks/blessings do you run on your IIb?

[terse idol]

It's the issue that fs doesn't want people being invincible forever for sure

[tropic abyss]

same

[terse idol]

cough voc

[serene bough]

HH + ghost, unarmored + flak/maniac

[terse idol]

I don't know if they'll ever make born leader any better

[serene bough]

i also use it with MF, MF helps to push some breakpoints

[faint beacon]

You say this when

[tropic abyss]

instead of buffing born leader, they should buff the other nodes competing with it

[faint beacon]

Stripped down + Duck and Dive exists

[misty delta]

holy tera a MF user that isnt just doing it for the penance

[serene bough]

ill admit my build is kind of unorthodox so I get somewhat embarrassed sharing it

[tropic abyss]

like 50% supression is useless

[slow spade]

they already gave it a heavy buff so will probably take a while

it used to only apply when regening LOST toughness lol

making it dogshit

[terse idol]

😌

[misty delta]

if anything I’m impressed lol I like hearing unorthodox builds esp if they work

[terse idol]

Bistol grenadier build goes craaazy

[tropic abyss]

stripped down + duck and dive can proc reciprocity

that's so good

[thorn plinth]

[serene bough]

you could make it more "meta" by pathing differently but im using mercy killer knife

[slow spade]

not taking Agile Engagement is wild

[tropic abyss]

not pooping out 'nades when killing specials
not having ridiculous 50% tou reduction for doing doing well in the game

[serene bough]

i dont see much point in agile engagement for IIb ilas

[misty delta]

I’m surprised you didnt move field improv for trench fighter for the ultimate carpal tunnel build

[terse idol]

Ooh new idea for carpal tunnel builds

[serene bough]

i switch on and off w/ trench fighter, i find it's not really that worth it in comparison to field improv's utility

[tropic abyss]

what melee?

[serene bough]

mk6 knife

[misty delta]

fair. All my friends are psykers so I’m biased against field improv

[viral nacelle]

tha f? That is weird af. what diff do you play it?

im kinda into it

[serene bough]

i just run auric maelstroms

[misty delta]

“just”

[viral nacelle]

im tryin that wacky shit

weapon/curio choices?

[broken spade]

wow no tactical awareness talent
ethical build

[serene bough]

well if you run knife w/ mercy killer path the sameway otherwise i'd recommend going down to surivalist

2 THP + 1 stam curio

IIb ilas + mk6 knife

[viral nacelle]

this is a wacky ass build

[serene bough]

sec ill just edit my game'slantern build

[misty delta]

“THP” vermintide player spotted 🫵

[viral nacelle]

👍

[serene bough]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6a195f-4891-4c49-8aff-6dee24bb5d50/mg4-knife

[viral nacelle]

the no iron will pick is the hottest part

[serene bough]

gotta lean into ghost to survive, i.e. don't miss the head

but with the high firerate/uptime, it does make sense

[hollow ibex]

Some gamer decisions went into that build

[full nacelle]

no tactical awareness either

I would rather die

[umbral scaffold]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d4ec099-cab9-4059-91cd-035a9995a265

Here is my build

[trim steppe]

"Fixed an issue where shots from the M35 Magnacore Mk II Plasma Gun failed to penetrate Bulwark shields." Looks like meats back on the menu boys!!

I didn't know this was a bug

[hollow ibex]

They really should’ve just kept the “bug”

[thorn plinth]

Dueling Saber Commissar is just my current favorite thing

[topaz lance]

pfff

[indigo edge]

Is close order drill + confirmed kill + stamina node better or is Longshot + Volley adept + health node better?

[trim steppe]

the first one. The left side with longshot is the worst part of that upper tree

close order + confirmed kill is always great

[hearty panther]

i miss vanguard

[indigo edge]

Yeah, I figured, I'll just need to add 5% health to one of my curios

[trim steppe]

for balance sure, tho it felt weird being able to shoot through walls but not a piece of sheet metal

[slow spade]

sadly they heavily nerfed Longshot

0.6% at 13m (something like that)

[trim steppe]

yeah its some sort of logarithmic distribution over distance now

[hearty panther]

always was, just a question of where it started

it really should just work from 1 meter onward

[slow spade]

it should always be +20%

[hearty panther]

make it a proper reverse anoint in blood

[glacial mist]

the old columbus inf autogun

[misty delta]

killzone if it was good

[glacial mist]

is equivalent to the new vrak inf autogun right?

[misty delta]

yea

[trim steppe]

it literally is that gun, they just renamed it

[glacial mist]

yeah just tryin to clear up some confusions is all

[verbal burrow]

gotta say, just like Rashad, this revolver initially feels unwielde as fuck

[glacial mist]

since we do have a columbus variant inf autogun

[verbal burrow]

Do any of the other marks have a proper aim down the iron sights mode?

[slow spade]

Zarona

which is the strongest ranged option for vet

[verbal burrow]

Cause I can't hack this Agri thing

[glacial mist]

for the revolver?

there is only 2 marks

[verbal burrow]

Okay so the first mark is just a phase

[glacial mist]

one fan the hammer and one aim down sight

[slow spade]

the good one and the meme one

[glacial mist]

the fan hammer one also have a speed loader

reload faster

[misty delta]

big iron vs bigger iron (it’s up to you to decide which is which)

[glacial mist]

btw for the zarona revolver

how does the blessing work

[hollow ibex]

I’m just a bolter enjoyer that is jealous of plasma. Don’t mind me.

[slow spade]

Handcannon is +60% rending on crit

[glacial mist]

the one where you have increase crit with each less shot in the chamber

[slow spade]

oh

[glacial mist]

since it say reset on reload does that mean i need to do a full reload to get benefit?

or i can just load single round and enjoy the benefit

[tall torrent]

Boltgun opens bulwarks in 2 shots

[trim steppe]

no it means when you reload you lose the benefit

[slow spade]

iirc any missing rounds apply the buff

but full chamber = no buff

but Vet doesn't need that blessing

just get Weapon Specialist

[glacial mist]

huh

i see

[slow spade]

+33% crit per stack and stacks 10 times

[verbal burrow]

Based on my glossing over it, it was Surgical for the guaranteed crit, + Handcannon for the +60% rending on crit

[glacial mist]

i need to look into that tree

[trim steppe]

Basically it just looks at how many rounds are missing from your mag and multiplies that by the crit chance

[tall torrent]

It resets all stacks to 0 when u reload, and then give u stacks if you end reload before the weapon is fully loaded

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist + Revolver is peak

[glacial mist]

yeah so i can just manually load single round and enjoy full benefit right?

[slow spade]

but also quite boring due to how strong it is

[hollow ibex]

Yes but I’d rather just have the ability to shoot through them

[hollow ibex]

Easily fixed by running agrivolver instead

[verbal burrow]

And I gotta say that the Rashad is growing on me

[slow spade]

lol true

Rashad just makes me wish I had a power sword instead

[verbal burrow]

It's ability to one tap a Mutant's face with a light attack is kinda nice

[glacial mist]

speaking of rashad

decapitator works on it or

[trim steppe]

Did we know this was a bug? @tall torrent

[glacial mist]

should i just run standard BM + headtaker?

[tall torrent]

I thought it was intended

[slow spade]

Yes

[tall torrent]

No

Carapace + unarmored/elite
headtaker + brutal momentum

[verbal burrow]

Thing is that I usually always take

[slow spade]

no reason not to

[trim steppe]

you mean to say you're starting to enjoy the most powerful weapon in the game?

[verbal burrow]

Which means that I am already stacking a shit ton of Weakspot Damage

[tall torrent]

U don’t need this part for Rashad besides precision strikes

[verbal burrow]

This part is non-negotiable because I like shooting things

[slow spade]

swap the bottom part for stam delay and that's me

[tall torrent]

At least drop 10% TDR lol

[verbal burrow]

My unhealthy addiction to toughness doesn't allow me to do that but I respect your rational decision

[slow spade]

I find the 0,25 stam delay is better

as it just prevents being hit via pushing

[verbal burrow]

And I agree but then I wouldn't be captain toughness

[slow spade]

true

[verbal burrow]

I made my bad life choice

[slow spade]

iirc you can get enough toughness resist to facetank snipers

[verbal burrow]

And I do

[slow spade]

without VoC

[tall torrent]

Then drop everything on this side below precision strikes and get both +25 toughness nodes lol

Born leader doesn’t scale from TDR benefits

[verbal burrow]

I very much enjoy my TDR tyvm

I don't just face tank snipers, I face tank bombers if the teammates fudge the push

[tall torrent]

If ur gonna play Rashad u pretty much need that 10% atk speed node

[verbal burrow]

I'll make it work

Worst case scenario I go back to my trusty chainsword

[tall torrent]

The thing is u need several melee damage talents for breakpoints

[dreamy ginkgo]

rashad feels so bad to play

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ

[dreamy ginkgo]

can't quit the good ol shovel

[verbal burrow]

It does feel bad but I am used to the armor piercing axe meme from years of playing Ironbreaker

People were mad at me for not getting breakpoints on Ironbreaker too but the thing is that just like my guardsman, it becomes somewhat moot if you just don't die

[trim steppe]

I know everyone has their own preference but how possibly does it feel bad.

Do you take BM?

[tall torrent]

I know some people that hate its low atk speed

[dreamy ginkgo]

slow, clunky

[hollow ibex]

Tbf it’s awful if built improperly

[verbal burrow]

The noticable lack of attack speed for one, I fully agree with See Veteran Class Pins For Guide, but that's not in my budget

[trim steppe]

kill 4 things every .5 seconds vs other weapons kill .5 things every .2 seconds

[tall torrent]

Make that budget then

[hollow ibex]

And yeah Rashad is quite slow

Even if it hits hard

[shadow dagger]

what being babied by trench fighter + weapons specialist does to a mf

[muted prairie]

ayo, hammer is that u? i like the new name lol

[tall torrent]

Ya

[verbal burrow]

Bottom left gives me:

• 5% more ranged damage
• 30% more weak spot damage
• 25% more ammo
• 15% more damage to elites
• 10% more toughness damage reduction

[terse idol]

Its qol

[verbal burrow]

I like all these things very much

[tall torrent]

U actually can still afford superiority complex while still going atk speed

[verbal burrow]

Also I respect any man who runs Helbore + Shovel + krieg uniform

[hearty panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1298116282675236864/image.png?ex=67190d3f&is=6717bbbf&hm=a4d6446917e99d7f09bf16eb7fc39cef3e2f9d13b309d54a7367b12008a606ec&

Its so fun

[tropic abyss]

@tall torrent on the guide you say TFD doesn't increase attack speed, but animation speed

I have no idea what that means

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tropic abyss]

ain't that the same?

[tall torrent]

Basically every attack has a chain-animation time value

That leads into another attack

+atk animation speed reduces that value so you get to attack faster

It’s just not a linear increase

+10% attack animation speed is not equal to “attacking 10% faster”

[muted prairie]

does that mean trench fighter + weapon specialist means x.75 attack animation duration and not +25% atk speed?

[tall torrent]

For weapons that exclusively light spam / heavy spam it’s around 10% faster in the best case scenario

(Can be more)

For example

Rashad light spam on Dreg rager goes from ~1427 dps to 1600dps (3 hit kill)

That’s about a 12% increase

From 10% attack animation speed

[slow spade]

you should just unbound your melee and swap weapon key

mag dump instead UwU

[tall torrent]

+atk speed is usually never a bad choice for veteran

[slow spade]

I paid the point tax for +25% ammo and I'm going to use it UwU

[muted prairie]

recon las user spotted

[tall torrent]

It comes down to what you can afford

Because it’s buried very deep in right side branch

[hollow phoenix]

Imagine using the las part of the Hellbore and not spamming bayonet

[muted prairie]

i miss the wacky days when bayonet benefitted from your melee blessings

those were strange and stabby days indeed

[tawny badger]

do yall fw this build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4ecae2-e01b-441b-ac4f-f4066507754a/shotgun-guardian

[shadow dagger]

so it's reducing the time between the hit from the last attack and the startup for the next one?

[hollow phoenix]

The 8 stacks for FF is a waste tbh

You’re never gonna not ping an elite before you get 8

[tall torrent]

It’s reducing the animation chain value

For example, heavy sword VII’s [H2 chain into H1] is slower than [SP chain into H1]

[shadow dagger]

surely 8 redirect fire stacks helps a breakpoint... somewhere

[tall torrent]

Usually it’s not a bad pick because:

1. It makes your attacks smoother to perform
2. It makes melee combat safer (you don’t need to push as much if u just swing & kill faster)
3. For light spam & heavy spam weapons it’s higher value

There’re a few weapons that don’t need it

Duelling sword for example

[muted prairie]

tis a rabbit hole that goes far

[tall torrent]

Has extremely minor benefits from 10% atk speed

[thorn plinth]

Dueling Sword my current beloved

[tropic abyss]

between TFD and desperado, desperado is gonna be better, right?

[trim steppe]

I'm scared that when FS rolls out the rounding error patch next hotfix, half my weapons are going to end up with a bunch of 79% damage stats

[tall torrent]

They’re not in the same row, why can’t u get both

[tropic abyss]

cause I don't have the points

[tall torrent]

What’s ur build

Recon lasgun?

[shadow dagger]

is this a skirmisher salesman

[faint beacon]

Skirmisher in my Vet chat?

Unacceptable

[tropic abyss]

shovel mk1 and columnus

[tall torrent]

Uh

[faint beacon]

That’s a build alright

[tall torrent]

Why do u need onslaught again

[tropic abyss]

columnus

[orchid hemlock]

The great onslaught debate once again

[tall torrent]

Yea, why do u need onslaught

[muted prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[tall torrent]

Are u planning to just magdump crushers

[orchid hemlock]

Hey I do that on my recon build 🥵

[tropic abyss]

maybe

[verbal burrow]

I understand what you are doing there, and I respect it, but it is not the direction I want to go in

[shadow dagger]

why kill crushers in 6 seconds when you can kill them in 3 with a red stim and 2 skill points

:clueless:

[tame lodge]

looks inside
Infinite ammo

[verbal burrow]

The two nodes at the top which give weapon swap speed and extra toughness on kill are dear to me

[tame lodge]

Or should I say pseudo infinite

[tropic abyss]

extra tou on kill is great because it procs on ranged

[shadow dagger]

catch my dumb ass consistently proccing headhunter

[tropic abyss]

swap speed is just sweet

[trim steppe]

Just go down the middle and take kraks and forgo survivalist for fire team. Also drop extra ammo. Opens up several points and gives you kraks for crushers instead of needing onslaught. Then you can get a keystone even

[shadow dagger]

I'm using mk12 I have no excuse

[faint beacon]

Rending strikes when it does onslaughts job

[orchid hemlock]

Let's compair 🍆 shall we

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[shadow dagger]

i remember hearing from somewhere that rending strikes is kinda not great what's the deal with that node

[tropic abyss]

i'm not gonna drop survivalist

[shadow dagger]

I don't remember where I heard it from but I know it wasn't from here

[midnight totem]

No, they're mostly right

10 percent rending is, not very much

[quartz breach]

Society

[trim steppe]

It's bad most of the time. Weapons with bad armor damage barely feel a 10% rending bump. Weapons with good armor damage also don't feel 10% rending

[orchid hemlock]

We live in a Psykanium 😔

[midnight totem]

I like it, but elite superiority beats it out in almost everyway

[tall torrent]

It’s weapon dependent

[midnight totem]

If only because I hate hearing "tink" if my weapon hits carapace

[faint beacon]

Weapon dependent but usually a game changer on those said weapons

[trim steppe]

Post-nerf survivalist gives you the equivalent of like, 1-2 small ammo packs per missions. It's really quite negligible.

[shadow dagger]

how weapon dependent

[tall torrent]

Usually no

[faint beacon]

Vigilant rifles jump from like 200 to 480 with 10% lmao

[shadow dagger]

like, only 2 guns ever use it weapon dependent?

[tall torrent]

Nah

[faint beacon]

On Cara headshots on crushers

[midnight totem]

really? whats the math?

well yeah, if you got weapons with good armor pen already, elite is better, if not, rending

[tall torrent]

The math is that superiority complex is 2 point cost, whereas rending strikes is 1
If ur weapon deals 0.8 of its dmg against a specific Armor type, and u add 10% rending, that’s 0.9 (+12.5% damage, multiplicative increase)
Superiority complex is additive damage increase

It comes down to both point economy & Armor damage modifiers

[tropic abyss]

get back in the fight as also good because of the synergy with duck and dive and stripped down

[tall torrent]

No

[midnight totem]

right

well I got builds that use both

[tropic abyss]

don't "no" me
explain yourself

[narrow frost]

lmao

[tall torrent]

why do u need a node that only works when you get toughness broken when you should be doing everything in ur ability to avoid getting toughness broken in the first place

Don’t throw random statements out here, explain ur reasoning

[tropic abyss]

because sometimes shit happens

it's a safeguard for those cases

[tall torrent]

And no, it doesn’t have particular synergy with stripped down + duck & dive

[faint beacon]

Hear me out when shit happens immediately regroup or get to cover

[tall torrent]

What gave u that impression

[shadow dagger]

I might take it just because one single gunner always seems to turn the corner from the closest spawn door every time I open text chat to yap a lil bit

honestly what is even with that

[tropic abyss]

because it bumps you up to 50% stamina so you can run away with stripped down

[trim steppe]

The better your build the better your chances of avoiding those tight spots in the first place

[shadow dagger]

I stand still for like 7 seconds and a gunner is already on me

[tall torrent]

Stripped down is >50% stamina, not =50% stamina

[orchid hemlock]

Vraks is .9 right?

[faint beacon]

7 seconds that’s your issue

[orchid hemlock]

So with rending it becomes 1.0

[faint beacon]

If it was like 3 I genuinely think the game just hates you

[trim steppe]

7 seconds is an eternity

7 seconds and I assume my teammate is afk taking a dump

[faint beacon]

Gunners and shooters usually get put in every like… ehhh- 5 seconds

[tropic abyss]

only if you have no stamina at all to begin with

[shadow dagger]

I have to like consciously swap my mind and fingers between videogame and typing mode and that fucks me up pretty bad

[tropic abyss]

if you have 1% then it gives you +50 and that's > 50%

[shadow dagger]

the first few seconds of typing feels like I'm trying to tie my shoes in the cold

[tall torrent]

Did u know that you can’t get shot during slide

[tropic abyss]

yes, but slides seem finicky and don't always work

sometimes it just crouches instead

[shadow dagger]

hp hitstun not letting you slide is top 3 least enjoyable experiences in the history of ever

but just crouching is like a whole other deal

[verbal burrow]

zealot has a talent which solves that

[shadow dagger]

cool

am I in the zealot channel

[hollow ibex]

Hate it when that happens.

[shadow dagger]

[tall torrent]

I think that’s more of a you problem tbh

[verbal burrow]

Nope, but you must be made aware of the fact that the option is there

[hollow ibex]

Feels so fucking bad. It’s just kicking you while you’re down

[tall torrent]

Get used to specific key inputs to initiate slide

[shadow dagger]

I am indeed aware of it

[tropic abyss]

sure

[shadow dagger]

I am also aware that they nerfed my goat grenade tinkerer to remove the wacky hitstun immunity like a year ago

never forget

[faint beacon]

Mfw I rebinded crouch to C literally just to make my fingers not scream at me when I’m moving around like a Methhead

[shadow dagger]

I have dodge bound to mouse5 and ping to mouse4

honestly it's fucked up that the left hand got so much goddamn responsibility using mnk

[tame lodge]

You wouldn't get shot if you suppress (results may vary from weapon to weapon)

[faint beacon]

My ping is still middle mouse

[shadow dagger]

like what the fuck is my right pinky contributing

[faint beacon]

Dodge M5 and M4 is SpA

[shadow dagger]

it isn't a ring finger

I got full control of that shit

[trim steppe]

When ping keystone came out I rebound ping to E, same as interact. Having to take my finger off the shoot button to ping was cancer

[shadow dagger]

but it's stuck to rmb babysitting duty

[dire olive]

I use Q for ping

I only ever switch weapons with number keys

[verbal burrow]

I still think that the best kind of suppression is to reduce the ranged enemy's HP to zero

It's a permanent stun

[tame lodge]

Some weapons have poor suppression value on kill

Did you know

Slug has 10 suppression value on kill

[verbal burrow]

That's good that means they don't scurry around like ants

meaning I get to pick them off from left to right or right to left or by priority

[tame lodge]

Mfw when suppressed enemies runs out in the open

I don't really know why

Some hide

Some straight up leave cover

[verbal burrow]

I'd rather just have them stay stationary, I can shoot through cover anyway

[tame lodge]

Did you know
Plasma has 15 suppression value on 14 meters on charged shots kill

[shadow dagger]

okay whoever decided exe stance highlights should be disabled by taking a half step into pox gas should be waterboarded

[verbal burrow]

It's phenomenal to sometimes go into malice and watch low level players get dunked by 40 las-men who use cover intelligently

[shadow dagger]

😭

[verbal burrow]

Just 3 newbro veteran players desperately playing ranged whack-a-mole with traitor guardsmen

[tame lodge]

It hides a lot of outlines

[verbal burrow]

but their kantrael can't pierce the crates

[tame lodge]

Even disrupt destiny

[shadow dagger]

please let me see bro I need to kill 4 snipers or else smelter end event is gonna eat shit

I know I shouldn't do vent purge smelter

but like please

cut me some slack

[tame lodge]

Once my game broke while I was inside Tox gas and I couldn't see DD marks for 20 minutes or so

Oh yeah smelter vent purge sucks twice

It's like the opposite of bf3 blue

[shadow dagger]

it's always neat to pop in every patch or so and see that they still haven't fixed the weird lighting at the beginning of the map there

like low ambient light quality in vt2 during final event of righteous stand

[verbal burrow]

Never had trouble during Righteous Stand

Except for one time when it never ended

[tawny badger]

I see
apart from that, anything else?

[hollow phoenix]

Idk

[tawny badger]

I am not at all worried about breakpoints I'm using a zarona bruh

[shadow dagger]

surely there's fringe cases where you can like onetap crushers with damage buffs

[tawny badger]

I think I'll take Leave No One Behind

[shadow dagger]

[faint beacon]

It actually hides all outlines iirc

Shit is cancer

[tawny badger]

well

it probably is actually

[shadow dagger]

and to think I was in the 'yeah that's part of the threat it poses while it's alive' party when it first came out

fuck these tox bombers

[tawny badger]

hi intensity shock troop gauntlet

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-that-was-gassy-incredible-gassy-bobocomics-incredible-gif-17062942258298634263

[mortal horizon]

wwhats dump stat on plasma?

[slow spade]

none of them lol

pick your poison of ammo or charge rate

[tawny badger]

I would think charge rate

cuz more ammo is just more damage potential before having to reload

[elder mantle]

so im hearing 70/70 lol

[slow spade]

people usually go for the 70/70 split

its technically 69% but it hardly matters with a 70/70 split

[grand perch]

we need a bot reply for when someone asks plasma stats

[tiny summit]

Rename your plasma with a 69 max stat "nice"

[orchid hemlock]

anything vet related uuuuh

[mortal horizon]

not heat?

[slow spade]

the difference between 80% charge and 69% charge is a 0.06s refire delay

60 to 80% ammo is roughly like 15 ammo

if either of those get you killed, I imagine there's other places to improve instead

[slow spade]

Heat at least has the benefit of letting have more shots without cooling due to less heat per shot

the value varies depending on how much you mag dump

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t have one

[earnest bone]

[slow spade]

poor hammer

name is now lost from lack of reading

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[tall torrent]

It is what it is

[mortal horizon]

whats the new columnus iag again?

also: anyone have a good recon las gun vet build?

[hollow ibex]

It’s called Vraks now

[mortal horizon]

i still can't comprehend why they did that

[umbral scaffold]

So may I ask what made you barf

[trim steppe]

Because eff you, that's why

[umbral scaffold]

They want to be the cool kids

[hollow ibex]

Sorry, automatic response when I see anything from tanner

[hearty panther]

no way the rename wasnt a games workshop thing

[umbral scaffold]

I agree his recent videos are bad, but this stat vid at least makes more sense in “current” day darktide… then again could change next year

[hearty panther]

i dont know why any studio would waste their time doing it otherwise

[slow spade]

Fatshark did it to keep us on our toes

"traxis...uh TRAPPER"

[hollow ibex]

Rather than guess or think about whether he’s right or talking out of his ass, I just ignore his content

[trim steppe]

FS seems to defy these logic based assumptions

[umbral scaffold]

Track sis Sex sex sex!!! KILL IT

[hearty panther]

Hounds are now called Mutants. Mutants are now called Trappers. Trappers have been renamed to Trap Flamers, and Flamers have been renamed to Flameys.

[umbral scaffold]

I mean his Witchfire videos are out of his ass, he acts like he talked to OGs on the discord server when he didn’t lol

I called him out and even shared this crap on the Witchfire discord and they agree as well Tanner doesn’t know wtf he was talking about

Kinda shows when you do short term data vs long term data

[deft crystal]

The pins kinda iffy

tbh

except the like

weapon blessing

[hollow ibex]

How

[slow spade]

Hammer is a Tzeentch agent

don't trust anything

[deft crystal]

To much reading

[slow spade]

#ogryn-class

[tall torrent]

[hollow ibex]

Also you can just look at the parts your confused about

Don’t need to read the whole thing

[deft crystal]

Im trying to figure out how to get faster ttk's on hordes for dmg numbers

[tall torrent]

What melee are u using

[deft crystal]

Rashaad

[tall torrent]

Do u run 10% atk speed

[deft crystal]

ye ofc

My team is just to fast at killing things

Im usually behind top by like 100k ish

[tall torrent]

What team mates do u get

Staff m1 psyker?

[umbral scaffold]

That’s meta now ya know

Unless you charge purgatus

[deft crystal]

Veterans, left click psyker, gungryns

[tall torrent]

It’s cringe & unbelievably broken

[deft crystal]

I only do maelstroms so

[umbral scaffold]

Have you seen people with mods now??

They use auto clickers to run an infinite collmnus

[tall torrent]

Yea I just don’t play with staff m1 Psykers

[umbral scaffold]

Shit needs to be removed if it breaks games like that yeah at least the auto clickers

[deft crystal]

Surge or void blast staff

[umbral scaffold]

Ok I bet you will see that if you get in the vc once in a while

[deft crystal]

then just leftclick

[tall torrent]

If I inspect and see that staff m1 +warp damage taken talent I just leave

[umbral scaffold]

Idk which staff they use but either way it’s still the same… spam left click and reload to make it shoot while reloading peril and you can have an infinite machine gun that’s infinite ammo and infinite damage

[tall torrent]

Turbo cringe playstyle

[deft crystal]

worse p[art is

[tall torrent]

It beats like every other build by 3x damage

[deft crystal]

It does aoe

with the burn stacks

[slow spade]

its funny that's even possible

boring to use though

[earnest bone]

i wonder if it will take another 2 years for FS to nerf this, but so far it's the most broken and stupid thing in the game rn

[slow spade]

I've only seen it once so far in auric

[tall torrent]

I just leave if I see staff m1 psyker in pre-game lobby

[slow spade]

idk how big of a problem it is

[tall torrent]

Zero skill required

[earnest bone]

I've seen multiple in Maelstroms, i'd say it's common now

seeing them everyday

[floral hearth]

still haven't tried, probably not going to, it's a genuine cheat from what ive seen

[slow spade]

ah I don't play Maelstroms

probably why

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s pretty common in auric

[slow spade]

weird

maybe I need to try some of the other modes

[tall torrent]

It’s almost like
If u see a psyker in auric that’s not using gun/inferno staff, then they’re probably running staff m1

[slow spade]

I usually avoid shock gauntlet unless I feel awake lol

[slow spade]

rip :c

[tall torrent]

Also the newest update completely fucked optimization for me gg

[slow spade]

so far its mostly been trauma and smite users for me

occasionally gun psyker

[broken spade]

I've been playing it

it's broken

hand getting tired though

[earnest bone]

I'm gonna say a joke that for every class it's October 2024, but for Psyker it's still October 2023

[tropic abyss]

does the cutthroat say that?

[umbral scaffold]

Jsut played a bit this morning and did a purgatus build

[broken spade]

alternating between m1 spam and purg build to rest my hands

[slow spade]

Surprisingly how few purg users I see

[tall torrent]

Nah this is more broken than launch assail tbh

[broken spade]

purg is pretty broken now too

[floral hearth]

good

[floral hearth]

yeah, but not an actual exploit

[slow spade]

yeah I love playing with purg users (that actually use their rmb)

[tall torrent]

It’s strong for what it is, but it’s not staff m1 tier strong

[slow spade]

I keep getting dogshit purg users that I didn't even know they were purg until like midway through

[broken spade]

purg can stagger ragers pretty easily now

[tall torrent]

Current class tier list is like
Psyker > veteran ≈ zealot ≈ ogryn

[broken spade]

probably because of blaze away

[earnest bone]

its funny when a psyker fart at Crushers when he's not even using Penetrating Flame

[slow spade]

yippie c:

[tall torrent]

Isn’t inferno staff just blaze away + nexus now

[slow spade]

optimally yes

[broken spade]

yeah

[slow spade]

but Penetrating Flame purgs pop in here and there because its not common knowledge that warpflame has 100% armor pen on anything but carapace

[broken spade]

blaze away stacks instantly on purg

[tall torrent]

I’m ok with inferno rn, it’s strong but not oppressively strong

[broken spade]

its actually stupid

[tall torrent]

That’s a good place to be for balance tbh

[slow spade]

Blaze Away god bless

[broken spade]

nah it's pretty oppressively strong

[slow spade]

Bulwark patrol

[broken spade]

scream at them

[tall torrent]

I mean it like, it’s still very possible to beat inferno psyker in damage

U can kill most things before Soulblaze wipes the room

But staff m1 is like

You have to count on them to be bad

[slow spade]

my plasma couldn't kill things faster than them lol

[tall torrent]

To even come close to their damage

[floral hearth]

well, if they have to use the build, they're bad to begin with really

lets be real

[tall torrent]

I’ve seen decent players use that and just beat everybody else in damage by like 500k

It’s just too good

[floral hearth]

cant imagine the game being any fun if you can steamroll everything

[tall torrent]

That staff m1 talent where they get +warp damage taken has gotta get nerfed

[broken spade]

A decent player with purg is gonna do the same, but they'll have to frontline so it's riskier

[slow spade]

#ogryn-class

[broken spade]

but it's not actually that much risk considering the stagger

[floral hearth]

yeah, but that's a balanced steamroll

[slow spade]

:p

[floral hearth]

also a literal steamroll, but not in damage

[tall torrent]

It’s possible to match inferno damage or beat it in damage

Hard but doable cuz the range limit is there

But staff m1 obliterates everything that’s not ogryn / boss before u get to fight them

[earnest bone]

the only option is to be like 2 location ahead

[tall torrent]

Yea like

[earnest bone]

since psyker can't do the same

he'l die

[floral hearth]

lets all be knifelots

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

U have to speedrun ahead, to come close to their damage

Imo if u have to speedrun ahead to get damage then you’ve already lost in total damage

[slow spade]

knife zealots redeemed

[tall torrent]

It’s all inflated numbers

[earnest bone]

well, not quite, still better than farming some pointless infinite spawn

esp if you just go a do objective solo

(stealth vet ez)

[broken spade]

idk from what i've seen, damage difference between purg and m1 builds isn't really that different if the psyker is rushing

[lavish token]

I run ahead on pskyer or plasma

[broken spade]

If the psyker isn't ahead, then yeah purg would be behind, but what purg player isn't rushing ahead?

[earnest bone]

most randoms are scared of frontline

[ocean idol]

What would be good weapon to pair up with vraks autogun?

[floral hearth]

[mortal horizon]

what would you guys say the meta guns for vet are rn, plasma, revolver obviously. Does recon make the list now? Bolter? Vraks (old columnus)? I feel like double barrel with the weapon swap build is pretty strong too but maybe not meta

[tall torrent]

U should include Boltgun in there too

[slow spade]

Bolter and Recon are meta again

Vraks mk.5 never moved

double barrel + weapon Specialist is funny but not meta

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver
Vraks V autogun
Recon XII
Boltgun / plasma (4th - 5th)

[ocean idol]

I would not say double barrel is strong, it is fun to use, but not that strong

[maiden tapir]

Bolter is the bleed blessing worth it

or just mag dumping

[slow spade]

not on bolter

Bolt Pistol likesit though

[tall torrent]

Yes

[maiden tapir]

i can see it being good

idk if i just dumping till they die though

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac, pinning fire + puncture

[mortal horizon]

ah has plasma fallen down? (I havent played anythign but double barrel vet since crafting patch) lol

[slow spade]

oh for mag dumping?

[tall torrent]

Don’t exclusively magdump

[mortal horizon]

i feel like i crush with it, but admittingly i dont like playing with plasma/revolvers

etc

[slow spade]

outside of mag dumping, I don't see Puncture being that useful seeing as you typically 1-hit kill

[tall torrent]

Plasma is not as good as Boltgun for elite & special sniping (worse bodyshot 1 taps) and boss dps, but it costs less points to run (still needs specific talents)

Boltgun really wants exe stance

[ocean idol]

Also between Fire frenzy, dum-dum and deathspitter, would dum-dum be the weakest?

[mortal horizon]

got a talent build for recon i could copy? just wanna try it out, 1700 hours ive never used one lol

[slow spade]

can't blame you given their track history lol

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter is best

[tall torrent]

I don’t play recon

[maiden tapir]

The bleed takes maulers to 2 hits and then bleed to death, if you do it carefully it seems nice for some break points

[slow spade]

aren't Maulers already a 2-hit kill?

[ocean idol]

Why not fire frenzy?

[slow spade]

my build 2-hits them reliably

[tall torrent]

because deathspitter is just better

[maiden tapir]

im not even in exe

[slow spade]

I'm not either

[ocean idol]

Is not better than dum dum though?

[mortal horizon]

gotcha, i figure use executioners stance + focus target and grab the crit las gun perk

[tall torrent]

if u run superiority complex and have killzone active, yea

I don't count killzone as part of normal breakpoint calculation

[maiden tapir]

Oh ya it is i sit in the middle of testing area

[slow spade]

here's what I use

I use Maniac + Elite on my bolter

[tall torrent]

deadshot copium moment

[mortal horizon]

what talent build do you guys like with vraks V?

executioners + focus target?

or do you need the brittleness build

[slow spade]

crit is crit

[deft crystal]

Weapon spec

[slow spade]

Surgical + Pinning Fire

[tall torrent]

I think if ur gonna run deadshot u should just go exe stance lol

[trim steppe]

Don't do onslaught. And I'd take VOC over exe for Vraks. Focus Target and weapon spec are both good for it

[slow spade]

why? I don't have stam issues and I kill them just as reliably without Exec

I don't see any advantage in taking Exec stance over Deadshot + Surgical

[tall torrent]

You can run surgical in exe stance too

[mortal horizon]

i dont play vet much, and have 1 or 2 builds i like i do.
have a new friend whos 30 asking about some builds wanting to give him some stuff for the guns he likes

ty

still looking for a good recon XII build too

[slow spade]

indeed, but there's no point if I'm hitting the same breakpoints

maybe I could kill crushers in 2 hits instead of 3?

[tall torrent]

You’re counting on crits as part of ur breakpoints tho

[slow spade]

yeah because I crit reliably

[tall torrent]

Yea u can use surgical in exe stance and hit better breakpoints lol

[slow spade]

35% crit and +10% every 0,2 seconds

[slow spade]

for what?

crushers? lol

[tall torrent]

You’re counting on crit 1 bodyshot gunner/flamer
exe stance gives u 1 bodyshot them with just PF stacks

[slow spade]

indeed and its reliable enough to get 100% crit

the time it takes for a plasma to fire I'd have 65% crit

if I even need that with Pinning Fire

[tall torrent]

If ur running power sword ig fair, u can save 5 points

[slow spade]

ah right my build is running Psword

[tall torrent]

I unironically hope they keep power sword as is

[slow spade]

I wonder if I should pack in Agile Engagement instead of Surgical

[slow spade]

its main advantage is it doesn't need points compared to Rashad. So for me its perfect where it is too

[tall torrent]

I mean the weird activation thing

[slow spade]

D:

[warped robin]

whats the dump stat on catachan knife?

[tall torrent]

It’d be so funny if they just keep it like that

[broken spade]

didn't they already fix the powersword activation?

[slow spade]

why do you hate me :c

[broken spade]

like today

[slow spade]

yes

Psword is reliable again

[tall torrent]

Was that mentioned in patch notes

[broken spade]

yeah

[slow spade]

same as Force Swords and Thammer (though you usually charge to hit anyways)

[tall torrent]

Ok

[slow spade]

yeah for all charged weapons

[mortal horizon]

hows this for a recon build?, bad? lol

[tall torrent]

I need them to unfuck GPU optimization rn

[slow spade]

can't believe you hate me and my beloved psword :c

[tall torrent]

I think a super low point cost melee shouldn’t be that good

[slow spade]

I swear every hotfix/patch they somehow fuck it up

[broken spade]

did your performance get worse with the update?

[slow spade]

to be frank, does it ever not?

[tall torrent]

Framerate no
GPU heat though, went from 74~76 avg to 81~82 avg

Not a fan

[slow spade]

I do agree with you but seeing as I used a psword since release. I am forced to disagree UwU

[tall torrent]

I’ve tried everything

[slow spade]

I wonder if Agile Engagement is even worth on bolter considering its swap speed..

[tall torrent]

Nah

[slow spade]

probably not :c

yeah 1.2 sec every time I want to blast something seems like both a pain and ineffective

got to rebuild all my loadouts now that psword is reliable again 😔

[formal hamlet]

Anyone got a good recon lasgun talent build?

All my shit's reset.

[tame lodge]

Well you don't have Onslaught
It's going to be a tough build

[tawdry jackal]

gonna try a shout build with the bistol

thinking i'll pair it with the power sword while I sort things out

[tall torrent]

It’s just so aids to fight ragers for me

[shadow dagger]

did they really reset half my video settings for no reason

[tall torrent]

They also messed up optimization for a lot of people

[shadow dagger]

day 574 of asking why the fuck motion blur and depth of field are enabled by default as an industry standard

motherfucker

[tall torrent]

My case is GPU heat

[shadow dagger]

my eyeballs

[tall torrent]

I’ve seen others complain about frame drops

[shadow dagger]

my eyeballs already do motion blur and depth of field

fucl

k

i dont need my computer to do it again for me

[tawdry jackal]

grenades are affected by active weapon blessing right?

[slow spade]

yeah rashad's ability to duel ragers without eating shit or relying on lucky energized light will be missed :c

[slow spade]

yes (assuming it affects ranged)

like Thrust won't buff your grenades

Uncanny will though

which is funny with bolt pistol

[mortal horizon]

im not familiar with recon, thats why i was asking for someone to share a build lol ive never used one

it needs onslaught?

figure its hard to get onslaught and shock trooper

[vagrant scroll]

I've been bouncing back and forth on infernus or dumdum for my recon lasgun, just started playing the game with the recent patch despite having it preordered on release 😵‍💫

Trying this out currently on my recon lasgun i got, just want to make sure i'm doing this right lol

...oh it won't let me paste the image. Errr...I'll type it out:

Recon Lasgun Mk VIc, 80 all 60 mobility, 25% Flak/5% increased range crit, Dumdum, Headhunter

[broken spade]

wait i thought it did

[slow spade]

Onslaught is highly recommended to get due to its relatively low armor pen

[broken spade]

did they fix that?

[slow spade]

I don't think it ever did

[tame lodge]

It is
That's why most recon builds are keystoneless

[broken spade]

i remember being able to buff burn damage by charging a thammer

Don't see why it would be different with bleed

[shadow dagger]

okay am i stupid or is the operative preview blurrier than it used to be

[slow spade]

really? I never noticed in my grenade build testing with dueling sword

[shadow dagger]

is this a video setting i need to change that i forgot about

[slow spade]

I assume dueling sword's thrust shouldn't be any different

[untold mulch]

I prefer tag keystone than getting onslaught, personally

but because the toughness refill of tag saves my ass that is incapable of realizing when one is pushing too hard into the horde

[broken spade]

bleed might be hard to test cause the stacks will drop so fast

but it did work with burn at some point. Last test like a year or so ago

[mortal horizon]

would you want exe stance, or shout is fine?

[broken spade]

maybe it's been patched tho

[slow spade]

I'll take another look but I don't recall it working with Thrust

[tall torrent]

Does the DLSS3 frame gen mod still work for Darktide

[mortal horizon]

or just stack slaughterer

[shadow dagger]

oh dear

[slow spade]

but fuck crushers :c

[mortal horizon]

slaughterer + kantrael back before they fixed that was awesome, idk maybe it still works actually idk

[shadow dagger]

i figured out why everything looked so blurry lmao

they reset my fucking resolution too

who the fuck does that

what kind of under the hood shenaniganery had to go on

[vagrant scroll]

yeah i noticed mine was kicked back to 1080p from 2k on logging in, confused the hell out of me

[tall torrent]

No, thrust is melee strength

[shadow dagger]

for it to dislodge itself from the default setting

[gritty zenith]

They did change how exclusive fullscreen works

[tall torrent]

Not total strength

[gritty zenith]

Maybe thats why

[broken spade]

oh apparently it got fixed last year

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/bECW1zD.png bolt pistol/mk6 powersword with recommended perks from guide. Relevant blessing on bolt pistol is lethal proximity

[tame lodge]

Shout is fine
I think Orckas build has shout

[slow spade]

you know, exec stance doesn't turn off when swapping to nades now. I wonder if you can make a giga-nade by stacking all that stuff like exec stance

[tall torrent]

They fixed shaders for lower graphics settings

[tawdry jackal]

if i recall the chatter, lethal proximity synergizes with shredders somehow?

[tall torrent]

Which is nice

[broken spade]

thrust used to be just everything, now it's just melee

[slow spade]

yippie another thing I don't need to test c: Thanks for the clarification

[tawdry jackal]

ayy lmao this is why

[broken spade]

are all the other power blessing fixed too like headtaker?

[slow spade]

probably to fix the Helbore Bayonet interaction lol

[shadow dagger]

i need that to be simplified into idiot-applicable information

[tawdry jackal]

fuck what if i took grenade tinkerer

[shadow dagger]

were cosmetics bugged on low settings or what

[slow spade]

it affects ALL explosive radius including nades

[tawdry jackal]

is it worth taking grenade tinkerer PLUS this on frags?

[mortal horizon]

whats the orckas build lol

[tall torrent]

In low settings, the game’s shadows no longer look like they got cut off by the warp

[gritty zenith]

Hows the peesword feeling post update?

[broken spade]

It's actually kinda wack that the gun doesn't even need to be out for the grenade interaction

[slow spade]

while its not optimal,its both viable and funny

[tall torrent]

And instead apply smoother shadows on characters & environment

[broken spade]

it works if you have a spare point

[slow spade]

bolt pistol is good enough that you're not gimping yourself

[mortal horizon]

im trying to find like the defacto/meta recon talent build to start with so i can give it to a friend

[gritty zenith]

Havent had a chance to test it yet

[mortal horizon]

i dont play it

[slow spade]

so you can give it a go evein Auric

[ocean idol]

How big are crit strings?

[tame lodge]

This one iirc

[broken spade]

from a 12m radius grenade to a 14m grenade

[gritty zenith]

I just wanna make my vigilant build work

[broken spade]

pretty funny

[mortal horizon]

ty

[tawdry jackal]

i can sacrifice survivalist and go fireteam for it

[slow spade]

Fireteam would buff your nades more anyways UwU

[tawdry jackal]

it'll be lmfao

will adjust a build for it later

[broken spade]

throwing a grenade and bleeding everything in a 29m diameter is kinda fucked up

[gritty zenith]

I almost never skip agile engagement

Too good

[shadow dagger]

im boutta unbind my special key just because of this shockmaul taser dog