veteran-class

[dry cloak]

recently

[verbal burrow]

I'm saying that maybe going so reload speed heavy at the top of the tree isn't uh

Well

y'kno

Don't get me wrong 60% extra reload speed is amazing to see in action but is that really necessary

[dry cloak]

well i can get few points because lasgun perks

[golden compass]

well I had a good testrun on Malice @full nacelle though I wish I could tell what my accuracy is

[rigid schooner]

"oh boy i sure wish i'll be able to shoot less this mission!"

https://tenor.com/view/payday2-reload-loop-revolver-pov-gif-20910432

[full nacelle]

best vigilant autogun?

so far i'm leaning towards Columnus

[deft crystal]

Have you tried the uhh

auto infantry

[full nacelle]

yes

[hollow ibex]

agri life

[grave hawk]

ive tried other classes and gotta say. vets for the emperor

[golden compass]

@full nacelle Thank you so much I got it on my first try in a low inensity

[full nacelle]

You know, I think you might be right. Feels like a good middle-ground between the two.

[full nacelle]

Ayyyyy grats! Happy to help

[golden compass]

now I got the full killshot set

[verbal burrow]

Does Veteran have any Melee weapons which have access to the Momentum blessing?

[austere mica]

The toughness on multi hits? No, but it isn’t missed

I don’t think a single weapon runs it besides like

Ogryn glugger melee

[supple stag]

Veteran's toughness gain is really, really good

I don't think any of his melees need Momentum blessing

[uncut pebble]

The only weapons I think normal sized classes have access to with momentum are zealout's eviscerator and thunder hammer.

[austere mica]

And funnily enough it sucks on both

[uncut pebble]

So I'm gonna say no, vet has no weapons with that blessing.

[uncut pebble]

Actually it's kinda good on eviscerator, ngl.

The issue is it gets overshadowed by other things like savage sweep on the mk3 or shred/bt on the mk15.

[austere mica]

Zealot doesn’t need more toughness regen

You have second wind

[uncut pebble]

And what if I don't want to run the same meta build every single time for every loadout ever?

[austere mica]

Then you are a reasonable person

[uncut pebble]

There you go, that's reason enough to justify using momentum eviscerator.

[austere mica]

But being extra in a way that isn’t even that funny is lame

[verbal burrow]

But what about if we were to dial the toughness up even more?

[steep vault]

frogcast migrated to vet chat

...

it's over

[sick isle]

Hello everyone, I'm kinda new on this discord so I hope I will find back my question ^^
Do you have any tips to do the On Overwatch penance? I've only seen tips and tricks from old versions of the game which are irrelevant now. This seems to be the most difficult penance to do and I have a hard time succeeding it 😅

[steep vault]

listen to audio cues

but alas it's not fixed yet

[austere mica]

I can tell you that it is definitely not the hardest but things that can help are really safe melee weapons like shovel or knife, and either voice of command spam or stealth spam

Beyond that it is just a challenge of skill with little in the way of setups being helpful

[dry cloak]

get yourself a taunt ogryn

[steep vault]

it took me a couple try on my second time but I did it on a regular damnation run on archivum sycorax

[austere mica]

I got it randomly

[sick isle]

What is the most difficult in your opinion?

[austere mica]

Idk

[somber adder]

Stamina curios and blocking 24/7 help. You can also take toughness damage, just not health damage

[steep vault]

situational awareness

[austere mica]

ASS or some of the mission completion challenges

Or 500000 kills

[steep vault]

2500 barrel kills

[austere mica]

Oh fuck right that

Hate

[sick isle]

For the record I usually only play with my brother so the other 2 are regular AI, this might not help ha ha

[steep vault]

if it gets really hard you can ask dorn or ainz to help out

it's kinda their thing

[austere mica]

Some unfortunate souls got situational awareness with only yellow barrels and I pity them

[steep vault]

that's me

[sick isle]

Oh this penance are only done with time, it's farming and not really doing one specific thing

[steep vault]

they still haven't fixed the incendiary barrel?

[austere mica]

They fixed it

I think

[sick isle]

I'll try to remember that when I have time

[steep vault]

I'd say just run karnak twins at heresy

buuuut

seems like you don't pub queue or are particularly experienced

so a low intensity archivum sycorax would probably the way to go

[austere mica]

I think you can also cheat by jumping off the map at the beginning of a mission and then not getting picked back up until it’s over

[steep vault]

think they fixed that innit

[austere mica]

It’s so obscure I never know

[sick isle]

Well I don't have 1000 hrs on the game, but I am a veteran of Vermintide kinda, it's just that I'm looking for the easy way to get the helmet for the veteran, because the other veteran penances are easy to get or farm imo

[sick isle]

I heard the same

[steep vault]

It was around my time joining that they fixed it

[sick isle]

If I had known sooner, I would've probably done that ngl

Usually when I do a game I still get one or 2 hits through my toughness 🥲

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure it’s still only yellow barrels?

[sick isle]

Thank you anyway for your answers!

[shut orbit]

Do you sorta just ignore crit chance/damage a lot of the time? I'm using the plasma gun and there doesn't seem to be too many ways to get much crit chance

[tawdry jackal]

Gets hot blessing

[sick isle]

Do you know which melee is the best anti hordes? I only have a chainaxe for now and I didn't change because with the new update, I'm afraid to lose a lot of power since I haven't farmed the weapons

[dry cloak]

heavy sword

[umbral scaffold]

It’s been a long time since I’ve been able to play DT what’s a good build for vet? As I’m 29 atm and want to get 5 or 10 runs on maelstrom to get the titles

[sick isle]

Aaaah, this one wasn't available for the veteran before the update, right?

[dry cloak]

yes

[earnest bone]

Chainsword 4/13, MK1 Shovel, Rashad MK3

MK1 shovel and Rashad mk3 are generalist weapons that can deal with pretty much everything

[sick isle]

Thank you!

[earnest bone]

as for what to put on them

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

refer to this pinned guide

its easy to navigate thanks to hyperlinks

[shut orbit]

Where's the best place to shoot shield Ogryn with the Plasma gun? Can you get headshots through the shield, or should you just hit the side of their arm/leg when you can't hit the head?

[wet ether]

heh

[daring sage]

what blessings do you guys use on heavy las pistol and what mk

ive been only using the basic one

[supple stag]

DumDum + Ghost, Accatran or however it's called is a better one, the faster one

[daring sage]

ah yeah the slower one seems to have weird spread

[thick kestrel]

dumdum is always a very strong first pick, if you've got some crit going grabbing infernus for a wee bit of extra damage isn't the worst thing in the world to provide some bonus chip damage against ogryns and monstrosities.

[daring sage]

im going to try the heavy mk see if i still hate it s much

[daring sage]

srtill dont like it

[dire olive]

It's bad

Everything about laspistol favours more spam

[grand perch]

I think the heavy one is perfectly usable

[dry cloak]

Both are described as heavy iirc

[pure vigil]

MK2 best

[real flicker]

Braced auto gun vs the shredder pistol? What’s the main differences

[quasi dust]

shredder pistol feels cooler to me

[real flicker]

Same, I feel like they do similar damage aswell?

[dry cloak]

Brautos are better. Shredder is for the memes

[dry cloak]

That is strictly false the do more damage

[real flicker]

Oh really? What makes it better? I’ve only just started using them

[dry cloak]

Pierce, higher damage, more ammo, better accuracy

Statistically theyre strictly better. Gameplay wise use whatever you want

[real flicker]

also a stupid question, in the pinned messages for all the gun breakpoints and stuff will that transfer to another class?

[real flicker]

Thank you! 🙂

[real flicker]

which one is the 'best'?

[dry cloak]

Ylu choose between agripinna and graia braced

Agripinna being the damage one

Graia being dakka one

Try both and see which one feels best for you to use

[pliant kayak]

I've come again asking for advice where should the last point go? It's for power sword/boltgun loadout.

[uncut pebble]

I would say trench fighter drill.

Or one of the stamina cooldown nodes.

[terse idol]

No, you can use different perks for different classes

To sometimes get easier breakpoints

[stuck notch]

I'd go either for the left middle one (Charismatic), the bolter slower draw speed annoys me so the first node on the right would he a good pick too

If nothing else, Field Improvisation for better med crates is also really really good

Oh nvm you're talking about the bolt gun, not the bolter

So forget about the draw speed

[pliant kayak]

I mean

What is it call exactly? I saw some people call it bolter some boltgun I even saw boltrifle

[stuck notch]

Oh yeah this is the bolter

When people say bolt gun mostly they are referring to the bolt pistol

[idle swallow]

Yeah the bolter has a few different names referring to the same rifle

[idle swallow]

I only hear bistol or bolt pistol for that specifically

[stuck notch]

But its a comfort node, the 25% swap speed, try it out and see what you like

I can't play without it

With the bolter, that is

[stuck notch]

🅱️istol sounds great

[tame lodge]

Power sword is so back

[thorn lark]

Boltgun is bolter. Bolt pistol is bolt pistol.

[stuck notch]

Explain

[stuck notch]

Maybe I just understood it wrong then, but yeah

[tame lodge]

So is plasma

[earnest bone]

Fixed an issue where shots from the M35 Magnacore Mk II Plasma Gun failed to penetrate Bulwark shields.

is dis plasma buff?

[bold sierra]

veteran loadouts were starting to look really balanced and varied since unlocked and loaded....but after this hotfix, if I start seeing nothing but plasma guns again....HOOOO boi.

[slow spade]

Bolter =//= Bolt Pistol

UWOH POWER SWORD FIX

Finally I can use my good weapon

[slow spade]

to be fair, ranged bulwark killing was a niche nothing else really served

[untold mulch]

Bolter users has substituted plasma users in my annoyance of killstealing

Shoot at enemy with Recon, and just before it dies, random Bolter/Plasma shot takes the kill

[slow spade]

except maybe Rumbler?

[slow spade]

bolter and plasma now have longer kill times BUT Recon buffs reverted UwU

[earnest bone]

i demand recon buffs

lemme penetrate shields too

ffs

[slow spade]

Recon now has assail tracking

imagine aiming

[earnest bone]

console exclusive patch*

[frank monolith]

maybe psword

[untold mulch]

Recon with light variant is so fun

[bold sierra]

we will see but I REALLY don't want to see nothing but plasma guns again fr

[untold mulch]

I rarely use the ADS

[slow spade]

I wish Recon had Run and Gun

[untold mulch]

SAME

[slow spade]

I think it'd be pretty fun c:

[untold mulch]

GIVE ME THE BOOMER SHOOTER PLAYSTYLE

[slow spade]

personally I'm ok with bolter being strong but yeah plasma had its time to shine lol

[bold sierra]

I also wish infantry lasguns and chainswords get some love EVENTUALLY...at least better blessings.

[untold mulch]

I feel like Light Ilas should have been burst fire

[slow spade]

ok to be fair, Infantry lasguns hae Deadly Accurate + Headhunter

[untold mulch]

the ROF is painful to hands

[bold sierra]

Bolter I'm ok with, cuz it actually feels like something commandos or spec ops would actually bring into a mission xD

[untold mulch]

I still stand Fatshark made a mistake with blessings/perks giving direct damage buffs

[slow spade]

indeed, its also cooler

[untold mulch]

when the choice is given, people will tend for more damage duh?

[slow spade]

yeah, it opened up a can of worms where any blessings without a direct damage buff (or indirect via Lethal prox) is just bad

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[slow spade]

there's those niche ones like Glory Hunter but that's more "viable" rather than good

[untold mulch]

Like yeah, not being hit by gunfire while running is nice

but also what is nicer? enemies dying quicker

no brainer

[slow spade]

yeah Ghost has the problem of "nothing is stopping the enemy from blasting your allies"

but a faster kill time would help that

[bold sierra]

headhunter and deadly accurate still ain't that good tbh, if anything I'd like them to give us like...idk, dum dum or sth. Or just yknow, buff it a bit more, it's falling behind recons a bit. I'd also really love if they could reduce the interval between shots of the "20% power on first salvo" blessing too

[untold mulch]

Tbf, now with the new crafting they can touch it

[slow spade]

Deadly Accurate work on non-crits please UwU

[untold mulch]

before, doing radical blessing changes was asking foer the community to strangle them

[bold sierra]

I stg, I tried to test it in simulacrum, it doesn't

[untold mulch]

god, the crafting rework was so needed

[slow spade]

na na, I meant change it to work on non-crits

[slow spade]

opened up a lot more wiggle room for them now c:

[bold sierra]

so what it just deals higher headshot dmg by default?

[slow spade]

I'm personally excited to see what the next major balance pass brings

[slow spade]

I wouldn't say no...

[untold mulch]

I rn want more new guns

finally pull the cool stuff

[slow spade]

longlas pls

[untold mulch]

fr

[slow spade]

I want the shitty sniper gun

[bold sierra]

hellgun I'd say they'll only add it in as a new class ability. Like outcast engineer.

[untold mulch]

agreed

otherwise it would be nerfed to oblivion to make it a choice

I am down with OE Hellgun

[slow spade]

yeah I'm surprised they haven't added a new class with something cool like that

[untold mulch]

tho, I would lose my infiltrate

[slow spade]

its not like they're limited on ideas

[untold mulch]

and infiltrate is so clutch

[slow spade]

oh I'm surprised you don't take Exec Stance Recon

feels like I cut through hordes so much faster with that

[untold mulch]

nah, I like the constant pop in, shoot, pop out playstyle

[bold sierra]

might have issues with the skill tree I'd say, cuz it'll be SUPER tight on the pick-and-choosing. Cuz you know how you need to pick the all the nodes on the left or right to reach the other section of the skill tree to build for stuff? Yeah

[slow spade]

ah yeah, the safety in being able to reposition is comfy

[untold mulch]

Exec Stance is basically

Press F to summon Poxwalker on your back

i can work around that

but my patience ran its limit with that skill long ago

[slow spade]

I mean its not like they can't add a 4th row, sure you'll miss something good but that's rather the point of the limiting 30 points

[slow spade]

ah its at least tolerable now with the ability to swap to gren/melee without dropping exec stance

[hearty panther]

you dont lose xstance when you switch from range anymore

[bold sierra]

I mainly use stance on veteran xD, yeah sometimes u get enemies sneak up on you but it aint so bad

[hearty panther]

its quite good

[untold mulch]

yeah, I heard that, but haven't tested it

gonna reinstall once a patch comes around to interest me

[slow spade]

you should give it a go in some normal Damnation or something, feels a lot more flexible

ah I see

[untold mulch]

I just get massively annoyed, just a personal thing

Infiltrate is a lot more in sync with my natural way of playing

[slow spade]

at the very least, recon has good dodges so you can always do that

[untold mulch]

The shooting shuffle

also finally new GPU, so for once I could see the snipers without using tag

[slow spade]

personally, the only issue with Exec stance recon is its really point starved if you're going for Onslaught

[untold mulch]

damn, you all were playing like this all this time?

[slow spade]

I'll be honest, if it wasn't for the laser. I'd never see them

[untold mulch]

[slow spade]

even now, snipers get multiple shots off because I can't position fast enough

thankfully a position where I can't kill them is almost always a position where they can't kill my allies either

[untold mulch]

I basically have played the game all this time on minimal with FSR at full performance

[bold sierra]

I do wish they'd make Onslaught applies MORE brittleness for less stacks, it'd work better for slower-firing guns too

[untold mulch]

I think I could have counted the pixels

[slow spade]

oof

[slow spade]

yeah Onslaught is a pain because of that :c

[coral bloom]

Sounds like it's blurry enough you will struggle to see targets

[untold mulch]

It was

[slow spade]

Corsnake has a magnifying glass taped to his screen UwU

[untold mulch]

Nah, I was fighting by pure instinct

[slow spade]

as a true vet does

[untold mulch]

the emperor guided my keyboard

because I was only seeing shapes at long range

[slow spade]

yeah I'll probably need to fiddle with my settings again

Sees a big block moving in the distance -> "Crusher or Bulwark 50/50"

[untold mulch]

Pretty nmuch

[slow spade]

at the very least, krak grenade would have you covered :p

[untold mulch]

I use frag

[slow spade]

oof

[untold mulch]

Chainsword was my only tool

well

frag threw them to the ground

[slow spade]

frag recon is comfy too

[untold mulch]

frag is so good with infiltrate

because if you underthrow

you don't break stealth

so you can pop it, and revive someone

with almost 0 risk

by the time the player is revived, the grenade goes off and there is a safe zone for enough time for the player to get their bearings

and for me to kark off the hot zone

[hearty panther]

FSR 3.1 has been pretty big for my performance

I still dunno when I'll be retiring my poor 1080 lmao

[untold mulch]

allowed me to play with good framerate at the cost of not seeing shit

[frank ether]

blessings were a mistake

[slow spade]

to be fair, you can underhand krak too :p

[untold mulch]

Agreed

[untold mulch]

yeah but krak doesn't does as much AOE

[frank ether]

this game was cooked when they dumped weapon customization for that system

[untold mulch]

Frag throws everyone on their ass

almost guaranteed

[hearty panther]

im playing 1440p, before with FSR on performance, now on quality with some setting bumped up and my frames no longer dropping below 60

[slow spade]

I know was joking

[slow spade]

the lack of weapon customization is mindboggling

[untold mulch]

So many short sighted decisions that ended up fucking them on the long run

In short

[slow spade]

I have to get Weapon Customization just to get a flashlight on my Ogryn

[frank ether]

I was thinking of upping to 1440P myself, or even 4K, only thing stopping me is the lack of premium IPS options on that market, its either OLED or middleground IPS

[untold mulch]

Management doing what Management does

[slow spade]

I'm NOT doing Lights Out without a flashlight lol

[hearty panther]

my monitor is 4k lol

[frank ether]

I think I'd be ok with 4K if I got an OLED one

[hearty panther]

some games i can pull it off (sifu right now) but mostly i just got it for movies

also unpopular opinion i know but scrapping the weapon upgrade system was the right move

[frank ether]

I think with upscaling its a lot easier nowadays

[untold mulch]

Thats a painful one

[slow spade]

yeah I stopped at a 2560p screen

[slow spade]

play Heavy Stubber Ogryn -> Quickplay Aurics -> Lights Out

idk why I tried

[untold mulch]

I use 1366x768 but because my monitor looks like is shaped like that

what picking bargain does to a mf

[frank ether]

eventually you will get a better GPU

[slow spade]

pray to the Omnissish UwU

[untold mulch]

Omnissiah does some work

[hearty panther]

words ive been saying for four years now

[frank ether]

llike in 2016 my thinking was I'd get a 1080P because games will get more demanding

now my thinking is I'd rather get a 4K monitor because new games are dogshit

[hearty panther]

yes lmao

[frank ether]

and you're likely to play indie or decade old games that will let you appreciate the resolution

[hearty panther]

60fps 4k on most popular titles is a fucking pipedream

even if it ran it runs like shit

[untold mulch]

I am starting to finally get to my old game backlog

[hearty panther]

i dont play shiny new titles anyway

[frank ether]

So I can do 4K fine with 3 digit frames

but the asterisk is

upscaling

[slow spade]

unironically I've been playing old ass JRPGs made on RPGMaker

[frank ether]

funnily enough it doesnt look awful to use stuff like performance mode on 4K

[slow spade]

they're just more interesting than fucking AAA games lol

cheaper too

[hearty panther]

i mean most AAA games are just expensive, not necessarily good or interesting in any way

[slow spade]

indeed

[frank ether]

just darktide and helldivers for me, DT isn't even ''new'' anymore

[hearty panther]

and expensive also tends to mean generic because they want that money back

[slow spade]

I think the last AAA game I got was BG3

[untold mulch]

AAA games is a constant, "management ate all the money like morons"

[slow spade]

indeed

[frank ether]

BG3 runs great though, not that it even needs good frames

Running BG3 at 4K is a way superior experience

[untold mulch]

I want to play BG3 but I have an unhealthy hatred of the d20

[frank ether]

given that it has buggy anti-aliasing options

[slow spade]

beautiful game though, I wish it was easier to make the camera look around

[untold mulch]

the dice of the devil

[slow spade]

Larian was SUPER generous on how the game plays

[untold mulch]

I ate 4, nat 1s in a row last time I played a d20 system

[frank ether]

eh, you can always save scum

[slow spade]

I failed 5 rolls in row and still won a boss fight without any downs

[untold mulch]

true

[slow spade]

"roll a 30"

fuck off BG3

[untold mulch]

💀

When I played 5e only once we rolled so high

my warlock getting a 36+ on a persuasion roll

[slow spade]

to be fair, there's nothing stopping you in BG3 from just "skipping" the fight

like gunpowder barrels next to a boss, reverse pickpocketing gold into a boss then instant killing it

[untold mulch]

good shit

[slow spade]

stealing a lvl 12 sword at lvl 2

[untold mulch]

still, if I were to start BG3, I would before do RT to play it finally start to finish

fantasy is not my thing

[slow spade]

lol my brother has been hounding me to play RT

[untold mulch]

Is peak

arc 1-2 is so funny

[frank ether]

my first game I just stole that flaming sword at the nautilus by using command drop weapon

[slow spade]

a warhammer universe where the MC is doing well is a fantasy UwU

[untold mulch]

True

[frank ether]

oh, I meant nautiloud

goofy ah name

[slow spade]

we had a Warlock so we killed him (this was before they buffed him 3 times)

[untold mulch]

But taht, RT is a constant shitpost.

Also I am pretty sure Abelard is one of the missing primarchs

[slow spade]

he has no Force resistance

[untold mulch]

that mf parried some shit

[slow spade]

Abelard is one of the missing Primarchs

[frank ether]

I tried to kill him for the xp but he was tough as shit lmao

[slow spade]

yeah we only killed him because height (+2 prof) with Advantage with Bless

for us, we found out that Psyker Gear on a sniper RT is insanely busted

there's an enemy that has 8000 hp and 250% armor

1-shot 😎

[untold mulch]

Sniper was silly when I played on release

I had to actually go out opf my way

so Yrliet onyl shot once per turn

to have a semblance of challenge

[slow spade]

my brother asked me to let him have a turn

then he had to respec his build because it was too strong and instant wiped act 4 bosses

[untold mulch]

mhmmm

[slow spade]

RT is honestly way too easy if you know what you're doing

[untold mulch]

My Archmilitant RT with a Hotshot Lasgun

one burst= delete

[slow spade]

lol yeah

[untold mulch]

I didn0t even knew

[slow spade]

"this ability gives you FLAT damage"

[untold mulch]

I just slammed perks that sounded nice

[slow spade]

thank you Owlcat

[untold mulch]

flat damage= say no more

[slow spade]

it gets insane once you start comboing stuff

[untold mulch]

Probably gonna avoid Cassia this itme so no morefree turns

Also makes no sense for your navigator to be on a combat zone

[slow spade]

that 48% has no cap lol

[untold mulch]

also good that finally is a %

[slow spade]

"yeah uh cannot be reduced below 300% damage for any reason"

[untold mulch]

and no more "PER/WILL(STR^2)"

[slow spade]

you can mouse over it for the formula still

but yeah nice its easy to read

[untold mulch]

Yeah I heard that

which is nice

this should have been at release

Like man, I was happy with the math, but I know the average experience wasn't

[slow spade]

wild that they looked at the original formulas and thought it was ok

[untold mulch]

Do math 🗿

[worldly pulsar]

Rogue Trader isn't about making sense. It's about a rich fucker who's terminally bored doing dangerous shit because it's more fun than just paying someone to do it lol

[untold mulch]

I mean

you aren't wrong

also you see the average guard in a fight and you realize

is also "fuck there is no more competent people on this ship"

[slow spade]

to be fair, those guardsmen are packing some insane guns

lasgun that outdpses heavy bolter lol

[untold mulch]

I need to use Argenta, my first playthrough I used her on the tutorial

she missed every single shot she did

[slow spade]

Cassia best

[untold mulch]

Never bothered

[slow spade]

imagine dying lmao

[untold mulch]

ASCEND

[slow spade]

unironically, give her a lasgun

[untold mulch]

fr?

True, recoil 🤔

[slow spade]

she has shit accuracy and lasguns have a built-in -30% dodge

so effectively +30% accuracy for her

[untold mulch]

Abelard and Pasqal are my ride or die homies

thats for sure

[astral scarab]

Too much mafs for my small brain

[untold mulch]

I don't go nowehre without those 2

[pseudo fiber]

Love wife

[untold mulch]

noted

[slow spade]

don't play a Psyker

the maths needed to make a good psyker annoyed me

[untold mulch]

Next game I do I am gonna ggo for Kibellah 💀 just with any prayer that one can actually fix her

[slow spade]

if you do play a Psyker, play Cassia

[untold mulch]

384 toughness

[slow spade]

she's something

[untold mulch]

745 WILLPOWER

[waxen glen]

Aside from the Dueling blade which melee is great at horde + anti-armor?

[untold mulch]

Csword 🗿

[slow spade]

Rashad and Power Sword

Rashad if you want no weakness

Power Sword if you want maximum damage

[untold mulch]

I need to try out Rashad

[waxen glen]

Rashad is really that wild? Okie

What perks + blessings?

[slow spade]

Headunter + Brutal Momentum

Unarmored + Carapace (or whatever damage type you hate the most)

[untold mulch]

I dont' make my RT a psyker because I think is more fun when an MC has no esoteric powers

just built different

built stupid

[slow spade]

Psyker has unique dialogue due to Warp shenanigans

[untold mulch]

crap

[slow spade]

so its interesting story-wise

[untold mulch]

That is new

I think there was few if any at release

[waxen glen]

How about for the powersword? I enjoy multiple different builds

[slow spade]

yeah one of the new updates for RT added more unique dialogues based on your origin

[untold mulch]

I think I used Crime Lord?

[slow spade]

like a Commissar origin will be like "just like my time in the guard" when eating in the Canteen

while a Noble origin will get a -10 stats until he gets healed back on the ship lol

[untold mulch]

The blessing one that gives you more swings

for sure

[slow spade]

Power Cycler + Brutal Momentum

[waxen glen]

With cleave being dump?

[slow spade]

use the Mk6 power sword, its genuinely strictly superior

[waxen glen]

Thank you

[slow spade]

Cleave Targets or Mobility

depends on what poison you want for the dump stat

[waxen glen]

I thought you get essentially max cleave with power sword with powerup

[untold mulch]

Lmao

[tame lodge]

When the weapon designed to rule 1v1 gets a way to 1v4

[slow spade]

Cleave Targets is -1 enemy essentially

Mobility is like -4% dodge distance on the lowest dodge distance weapon ingame

[slow spade]

yeah they've added more "life" to the RT imo c:

[untold mulch]

Psword is annoying to use for me

[untold mulch]

Great tbh, at release I consistently wished more lines

like man

if 70% of dialogue is gonna be without VA

I hoped for a lto more banter

[slow spade]

Rashad has no weakness at least, the only thing power sword really has over Rashad is it has better attack speed and better boss damage

[waxen glen]

Shovels don't even compare huh?

[slow spade]

I agree, its funny being a Noble (but a pain) because your character will suffer genuine lasting trauma for entering the lower decks lol

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve noticed spotter is best for snipers, even spamming if you spam and only stack 1 stack on an enemy , you retain the 8 stacks for yourself and your allies get a boost of stamina and toughness either way

[slow spade]

defensively, shovel is better than both Rashad and Power Sword

but nowhere close to either for damage

[umbral scaffold]

It’s much better over the headshot keystone in terms of raw dps now

[waxen glen]

So in tiering the weapons

Dueling sword > Rashad/Psword > Shovels > ?

[slow spade]

one useful side effect of the Ping keystone is that the target you ping WILL die

[umbral scaffold]

That and you can still retain stacks of damage for 10 seconds

[slow spade]

because people ping so rarely, if you ping something. It gets focused so fast lol

[untold mulch]

LMAO

[slow spade]

and there's no shortage of things to ping lol

[untold mulch]

I ping so much with my vet

[waxen glen]

I remember I had 100 + pings in a game with no one else having one

[untold mulch]

and always am annoyed when I look at someone being ganked by 10 ragers and not tagging

Dude ask for help

[magic trout]

Do critical hits aplied double bleed stacks of puncture blessing?

[slow spade]

for horde and armor clearing (like your original question)

Rashad -> Psword -> Dueling Sword -> Mk6 Knife -> Shovel

[slow spade]

classic

people used to be so good at pinging :c

idk what happened

[radiant chasm]

No

[slow spade]

no :c

[magic trout]

Thanks

[terse idol]

Dueling sword isn't that good

It has 0 horde clear

There isn't a BM equivalent

[hallow island]

would be based if it did

[slow spade]

I was thinking the Mk2 dueling sword

which is pretty decent at it

[waxen glen]

I'm not a big fan of Axes, so I might jump to Psword

[terse idol]

Nooo waay

[slow spade]

ah :c

I may have to retest then

[terse idol]

Its not better than rahashad 😭

[slow spade]

man...

oh yeah that's 100% true

[terse idol]

Like, i talked with like hammer

[slow spade]

Rashad is basically the best melee option

[terse idol]

Its good to delete like crushers and elites

[slow spade]

Psword recently got fixed

[terse idol]

But the thing i struggled with was hordes

[slow spade]

it won't fail you now c:

[waxen glen]

For flavor I dislike axes

[terse idol]

And vets already have ways to delete crushers from ranged

[waxen glen]

But I understand that Rashad is better at breakpoints

[terse idol]

Rashad just builds for a 3 tap for crushers and in niche uses you can find a 1 hit with a rashad

[slow spade]

I personally like the simplicity of the axe. It makes me feel like "the heretic deserves nothing but immediate execution"

[terse idol]

I dislike rashad because it's too good

[slow spade]

its not that, Psword is better. But Rashad has FAR better defenses

Psword has the weakness of dogshit defenses + needs to charge

Rashad just needs to swing at the head

which hopefully you're able to do in melee range lol

Rashad can even duel multiple ragers at once lol

because its Push Attack staggers ragers out of their combo

[terse idol]

Push attack ragers goes hard yuhh

[waxen glen]

Wait wait what

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/mcride-no-scream-static-gif-17386090

[waxen glen]

Rashad's push stagger is that strong?

[slow spade]

yes lol

it WON'T stagger crushers and Maulers

[terse idol]

Its a good weapon!
When you know how to build it, which is easier now

[slow spade]

but your Heavy Attack can

[terse idol]

Mediocre if you don't

Cause the horde clear goes from doo-doo to crazy

[slow spade]

knowing what attack to use on what enemy helps a lot with Rashad

[waxen glen]

I'm doing the crabwalk penance so I just wanted a weapon to accompany me while I do it

[full nacelle]

Trying to come up with one last build to run with a Helbore. Thinking of taking a melee weapon and leaning into that. You think I should go Dclaw, Heavy Sword, or Shovel?

[slow spade]

go Power sword, Rashad needs weakspot hits

[terse idol]

If you're larping shovel

Or heavy sword imo

[slow spade]

and you won't get weakspots when crabwalking lol

[waxen glen]

Aye

[slow spade]

Personally I'd go Heavy Sword or Shovel

something to kill ragers and mutants easily

iirc Helbore has poor maniac kill times

[terse idol]

Heavy sword also just has great horde clear + Elites clear

Suffers on csrpace

[full nacelle]

Sounds good! Think I'll go for Heavy Sword then. Wish the shovels were better...

[slow spade]

Shovels are good with Uncanny

its just the problem of "why not a rashad" exists

[full nacelle]

Yeah...

Don't really like weapons without a niche that isn't done better by other guns

[slow spade]

such is life

the fate of any weapon without brutal momentum equal

without*

[full nacelle]

I really wanted to find a full impact shovel tank build but even that was too silly for me

[slow spade]

If you go all in

[waxen glen]

Psword Perks

[terse idol]

Wel that is the discussion about talent cost

[waxen glen]

What was it? Carapace

[terse idol]

You gotta take a feeeww more talents to support a rashad

[slow spade]

with Agile Engagement + Weapon Specialist, you can likely bruteforce it

[terse idol]

So that's your argument for not taking a rashad

[hallow island]

i miss axe and falchion bros.....

[terse idol]

If you want to go lighter on melee talents

[slow spade]

the problem is the skills you take are not necessarily bad either for a ranged build

like Reprocity, +25 toughness are decent picks

[full nacelle]

Can't really take WS with the Helbore though sadly

[slow spade]

oh right lol

[full nacelle]

It's fine. I pray to the almighty emporer for shovel buffs.

[faint beacon]

Why not Rashad mfers when I still outdamage them with the Mk1 shovel

[waxen glen]

You had perks for Psword? Should I just go for Maniac + Carap?

[slow spade]

people will bring a psword and still lose vs poxwalkers

the skill level difference is wild in this game

[earnest bone]

mk1 is pretty much same sht

[slow spade]

Maniac + Unarmored/Elite is what I use

but I've seen people use Carapace to good effect

I use Maniac to 1-hit kill Mutants

[umbral scaffold]

Remember guys to anyone that says the spot keystone is trash on vet, they forget one thing to tell everyone

And now imagine that with 8 stacks already 🙂

[slow spade]

you right, I should buy more MSI products

[waxen glen]

What do Elite enemies even entail?

[umbral scaffold]

For 10 seconds

[waxen glen]

The gunners, Reapers?

[slow spade]

all ragers, all gunners, all ogryns, Maulers, all shotgunners

[umbral scaffold]

Based

[waxen glen]

[slow spade]

Elite damage won't let you down

[earnest bone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies?type=ELITE

[slow spade]

I don't believe it counts bosses sadly

[dire olive]

Elites are anything that shows up in killfeed/can be marked that isn't a special/monster

[obsidian plover]

16second for 8 stacks no thx

[slow spade]

it adds up

[waxen glen]

Perfect

Thank you very much

[slow spade]

so you can mark 4 guys with 2 stacks

and it gives 8 stack buff

[waxen glen]

I've made my psword.. I'm poor now, but I'll make it through

[slow spade]

don't worry, Hadron is merciful now

if you don't like it, its cheap to change

[waxen glen]

Its getting it to 500

[slow spade]

maybe not for a new weapon though...

[slow spade]

lol yeah

ez 3k plasteel gone

[waxen glen]

I just gotta farm more

[slow spade]

the grind never ends gamer

[waxen glen]

But no one looks for the plasteel

[slow spade]

yeah....

[waxen glen]

Or the idols

[slow spade]

I've been averaging roughly 600-700 plasteel a mission now

when I usedto get 800-1000

[waxen glen]

Idc about martyr

[slow spade]

people just don't care anymore :c

[waxen glen]

But I need them mats

[obsidian plover]

it will not chance the breaking point for most of the weapon anyway

[slow spade]

are you really saying a minimum of +16% damage won't change a breakpoint on most weapons?

like there's better options sure

but +16%?

come on now

[obsidian plover]

+16% after spamming tags for like what

[dire olive]

Honestly I mostly use it with the stamina node for deadshot builds

[obsidian plover]

10 times

[slow spade]

it takes a maximum of 4 pings

if you kill a target within 2 sec of pinging, it gives 2 stacks back

so you only need to ping a max of 4 times

which is easily doable

[faint beacon]

Feels like it when you run trench fighter with it cause of its insane swing speed

[slow spade]

lying about a skill to downplay how good it is makes you look stupid you know?

[tiny summit]

Also you arent the only source of dmg in a game

[waxen glen]

This okay?

[umbral scaffold]

People don’t shoot the totems anymore, I’ve sadly met a lot of bots in my random lobbies :/ kinda sad ngl

[umbral scaffold]

No, remove perks to make it Carpace and Flak

And change Brutal momentum to Surge , better cleave on crushers

Stat wise it’s best overall

[obsidian plover]

if you are running plasma/PS, you will be one shoting/two shoting most of the elites with just focus target

still, you are wasting your point on that 16% you do not need

[earnest bone]

if the cleave on lights would be like 6-7 instead of 3, that would be peak with decimator

[waxen glen]

I am not running spot. I'm doing the crabwalk penance

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah that's great do flak Carapace

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not really a waste since it’s a benifit for everyone for 10. Flat seconds, not to mention this also helps with even boss runs too, even the headshot finesse is also overkill since that’s what many snipers have … overkill damage…. The spot perk is even good for stamnina and toughness regen as well so I don’t see the problem at all with free damage for spotting one enemy that ANYOEN CAN KILL

[slow spade]

you do know those "1-shot kill" builds need damage points?

[umbral scaffold]

Finesse damage is excellent for snipers but forcing for snipers is much slower then on automatics as that favors high rof weapons like auto pistol, The colomnus weaponry, and even las pistols

[slow spade]

which can come from Focus Target?

so yes lol, it DOES need that +16% damage

[umbral scaffold]

Not just need it, it benifits from it more so then finesse damage

[obsidian plover]

from focus target itself not redirect fire

[slow spade]

so an additional +7.5% team damage isn't worth a point?

[terse idol]

Brutal momentum I mean is better for crushers

Cause weakpoint damage

You can one shot the crushers with the ps6 on the push attack

Surge is good for hordes

But you're running ps6 anywayyys

Imo

[obsidian plover]

+7.5% team dmg when you can put that point into nodes like superiority complex, marksman or close quater killzone

[umbral scaffold]

Have all 3 on hand and you pretty much got a solid damage build so I dotn see the point in saying it’s overkill when it’s such a good generalist keystone

[winter stone]

Theorycrafting builds, can anyone tell me about Executioner's Stance? If I take the node where it highlights enemies for my allies, do their kills on highlighted enemies refresh the ability duration too? Or is that just giving my teammates the ability to cuck me?

[faint beacon]

I honestly think it’s perfectly fine and is 90% of the reason I run Deci as well it’s just peak gambling

Also never forget to use heavies as well for staggering the horde in front of you

[earnest bone]

the reason i want more cleave on lights is to ignore bigger hordes for faster clear with lights, but it is what it is

[waxen glen]

I like the one shot aspect of maniac

[terse idol]

Its just overkill

Like focused fire isn't nessasary

[faint beacon]

Just start using heavies if there’s way too many

[terse idol]

We had this discussion with someone else

You don't usually just maintain 8 stacks

[faint beacon]

Lights are kinda meant for small/medium bunches but the moment they start swarming resort to heavies

[terse idol]

On auric damn

[faint beacon]

8 stacks talent is a bait talent

There’s really no reason to run it like ever

[terse idol]

Yuhh

[hollow phoenix]

Now if they made it instead one that made weakspot hits crit everytime

[faint beacon]

That sounds like something marksman focus would do if they ever reworked it

But shark doubt it

[hollow phoenix]

MF

Aka

Sit your ass still in a horde game

Or become crab

[faint beacon]

Its idea is good

The execution

Horrid

[obsidian plover]

the old maskman focus w/ camo was good

[faint beacon]

You should be able to maintain stacks through melee imo

[umbral scaffold]

Yet a lot of shit vet has is overkill that’s kinda the whole point

[faint beacon]

Melee Weakspot kills mind you

[obsidian plover]

you just sit there and shoot

[faint beacon]

Look if they could change its conditions on how to get stacks

Tunnel Vision unironically would be insane

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t see a reason in running weapon specialist as that’s more defensive in terms of playstyle for melee players or shotgun users

[hearty panther]

i dont even think its the gameplay of MF thats the issue

[faint beacon]

5% toughness and 10% stamina back from stacks

[hearty panther]

its that veteran can already functionally reach everything MF offers you without taking MF lmao

so you can just have those bonus values for breakpoints elsewhere and take an even better/less restrictive key stone

[faint beacon]

Well that and they just genuinely need to make it easier to maintain

Why?

[slow spade]

the worst part about MF is that it has so many upgrade nodes too

[hearty panther]

you can make it easier but it still wouldnt mean it was worth it

[faint beacon]

WS is right there

[slow spade]

like its already pretty meh lol

[obsidian plover]

yea I mean you one shot every thing with plasma w/o MF already

[slow spade]

MF plasma

[faint beacon]

I’m just saying I hit insanely unhealthy amount of Weakspot hits

[midnight totem]

a patch!

my power sword is fixed!

[faint beacon]

They ever change it to include melee

I’m running MF

[slow spade]

truly the lost and the damned to even conceive that idea

[terse idol]

Its not

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah stamina is needed for blocking and toughness is needed to prevent full damage on melee bleeding hits and gunner shots

[terse idol]

It's why we build for breakpoints

[obsidian plover]

headtapping IAG w/ MF might save you like what, 2 bullets

[terse idol]

😭

[obsidian plover]

that's just sad

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad MF crab walking

[faint beacon]

So true

[slow spade]

honestly I hope they change MF to be a grenade keystone

[terse idol]

Like you don't take all of the talents for focus target because like at minimum 3 are questionable 1 is okay for the extra damage for your team

[slow spade]

I like grenades and I don't like MF

UwU

[orchid hemlock]

Who cares about desperado when I just crouch

[faint beacon]

All seriousness the day MF can get stacks from melee Weakspot kills/hits

[orchid hemlock]

Wait

Desperado + MF

[faint beacon]

Is the day I’m including it more in my build

[slow spade]

also if they make it so its not just Ranged weakspot damage

[orchid hemlock]

I'm making a build hold up

[terse idol]

Just call MF, GF for gunners focus, (girlfriends focus) uwu

Ain't nothing marksmen about it

[faint beacon]

Just make it overall Finesse

Though lower it

[slow spade]

weakspot damage for guns that already 1-hit kill on weakspot lol

[faint beacon]

Seeing it’ll include now melee and gun

[terse idol]

Wait roll it back

[terse idol]

Weapon spec isn't defensive

[obsidian plover]

what a node

[terse idol]

You're literally getting melee kills to fish for crits

[slow spade]

they shouldn't nerf the damage just so MF has its time in the sun :p

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

Absolute dog shit

Rending strikes just existing

[placid portal]

Besides, High Finesse weapons got mad damage on weakpoint/crit

[terse idol]

Rending strikes exist to the riiight lmaoo

[terse idol]

Yeah but it's still better for automatic weapons

[faint beacon]

MF should encourage constantly cracking skulls imo

Yeah it does that already just holy shit

[placid portal]

Agreed Marksmen focus only stacking on kill is a bruh

[faint beacon]

A solid 3 seconds and your stacks are gone

[placid portal]

Spam vs Actually being a Marksmen

😔

[faint beacon]

I’m more so wanting a skill gap on it to force veterans to learn to hit weakspots

Melee or Ranged

Hit weakspots or get nothing

[placid portal]

Las Sniper

[umbral scaffold]

It is, it offers dodge distance, speed, and melee attack speed after 1 range kill

[placid portal]

Weapon Specialist is a hella nice keystone without extra point

[terse idol]

It

Yes? But all that gives you opportunities to A. Get hit less to stack repricosity

And B. Fish for your next revolver crit

[orchid hemlock]

Done https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4ea02d-14ca-4342-bc8a-cacf134cf95d/bcd47f2e-e6c7-47ff-9c0b-d41955873143?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Behold

[terse idol]

Because melee attack speed just gives you offensive capability

[umbral scaffold]

So yes it’s defensive you jsut stated that as such

[terse idol]

To kill more hordes

And to get more stacks to cycle your crit

[umbral scaffold]

It only has one offensive based perk or two per say “one is 33% mag back” and the other is stamina

[terse idol]

It's not "defensive" as I know

I mean there's only 1 good node that you take extra

33% mag back

[umbral scaffold]

That one yeah

[terse idol]

The others are bait

And that one

Is offensive

Especially for a weapon like the hacker

Cause you're constantly swapping for melee kills to get back your shell

Its semantics this doesn't matter

Weapon spec is as offensive as the other keystones imo

Offering dodge distance AND attack speed to be able to stack your next crit

[orchid hemlock]

Guys having crit rate and attack speed is actually defensive because it makes u kill them faster, which means they can't kill you anymore

[terse idol]

Compared to say MF with a ilas where you generate toughness for kills

[umbral scaffold]

But it is more defensive even if it offers offensive capabilities like attack speed, it’s mroe benificial for melee users

[terse idol]

That's weird

[orchid hemlock]

Guys being able to attack faster is actually defensive because the faster you attack the faster you can kill them, and the faster you kill them the less time they have to kill you

Dodging inside of a horde like Naruto is very defensive I swear

[terse idol]

Its not a big deal

[hearty panther]

faster attack is a defensive benefit

its an everything benefit

[umbral scaffold]

I mean if you wanna make it a big deal then go ahead and view it as such lol 😂

[terse idol]

Its a joooke

[orchid hemlock]

I am making a big deal about it, I am agreeing with you

Everything is "defensive" if it aligns to my definition of it 🥵👌

[umbral scaffold]

That man needs to make more clever ones imo but I know it is a joke

[tame lodge]

Ah yes
The definition chart

[orchid hemlock]

Make me a semantics argument babe 😎

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-low-tier-god-black-angry-gif-14161499

Live crash out

[umbral scaffold]

XD

[tropic abyss]

Out For Blood is better

[viral nacelle]

Man recon las builds are just so dumb right now. Hard carrying aurics with them is ridiculously easy just brrrt everything

And shock trooper + survivalist giving near infinite ammo sure doesn’t help

[terse idol]

Me as I take both

B4b

[verbal burrow]

Well, it happened

It's not just you guys telling me to drop the bolter now

[terse idol]

AND the talent to get toughness back during full mf stacks

[verbal burrow]

Now Brunt and the Omnissiah are doing it as well

This is what Brunt shoved in my face today

Naturally I took thje hint and bought it

So the work has officially begun

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t forget to run the bonus power trait on ult activation

[umbral scaffold]

Bad pistol imo, you want high mobility always

[verbal burrow]

I disagree

[umbral scaffold]

That’s cool I’m just saying for me I’d scrap it

[verbal burrow]

I will dump Mobility on any firearm that gives me the option to

[somber adder]

What else would you dump, reload?

[steady edge]

It’s better if you relied more on your melee weapon probably

Like if you were Zealot

[slow spade]

mobility on a ranged weapon lol

[viral nacelle]

I think he trollin

[terse idol]

Oh my looord

[somber adder]

Feels terrible to dump reload on revolver when one of it's main upside is the shot by shot reload for quick shots

[terse idol]

It was you I was arguing with about mobility!

Damage dump

Is probably one of the worst dumps

You can ever choose

[umbral scaffold]

Damage is more of the dump stat imo

[terse idol]

No fucking way

[slow spade]

bruh

[steady edge]

Also guess I’m sticking with Infantry Lasgun lol, the Helbore is too finicky and the Boltgun is too slow

[somber adder]

Tanner bro?

[placid portal]

Yeehaw Revolver Beckons you

[terse idol]

You literally lose breakpoints on a rashad without max damage

[umbral scaffold]

That’s perfectly fine :).

[placid portal]

High noon upon yeee

[terse idol]

Why the heck would you ever damage dump

[somber adder]

Must be a brainrotted Tanner cultist

[terse idol]

You might as well stopping power dump

[viral nacelle]

Are you running it in aurics? What build?

[terse idol]

Cause you'll lose less damage

Than dumping actual pure damage

[steady edge]

I like firing a semi-automatic grenade launcher but having to wait 40k years to pull out my boltgun is…

[umbral scaffold]

Having high mobility helps with dodges and dodges is more important imo

[terse idol]

No?

[steady edge]

I’m only experimenting in lower difficulties so far

[terse idol]

Not as much as you're making it out to be

[umbral scaffold]

Read the mobility stat

[viral nacelle]

Just put the gun away and dodge

[terse idol]

Baseline 60 mobility is the best

[slow spade]

you can reduce it to 1.2 sec at least

[terse idol]

Or well

It won't subtract any more dodges

Maybe back in the day

When you had weapons with 30 mobility

Yeah that was bad

[umbral scaffold]

Well either way it’s his weapon for me personally I prefer weapons with high mobility

[terse idol]

But damage dump is one of the worst dumps

You can ever choose

[terse idol]

If you already have a knife

You even MORE

Want to dump mobility

[umbral scaffold]

^ no

[terse idol]

Because mobility is already high

[umbral scaffold]

I disagree and that’s ok

[terse idol]

Its not about agreeing

You can't tell people

[terse idol]

That a weapon is bad

Because of a mobility dump

[steady edge]

So rn it’s Infantry Lasgun for me, but I’m going to try out the Recon Lasgun

Maybe Infantry Autogun or Combat Shotgun again

[terse idol]

You literally just told someone that a max damage mobility dump revolver is bad

That's actually harmful

[umbral scaffold]

I did and they said they didn’t care and I said that’s cool I just would remove it that’s just me

[verbal burrow]

Bro what if I did that dumbass thing I did with the Bolter and give the Revolver +60% reload speed

[somber adder]

They never did lol, chill.

[terse idol]

Holy moly

[steady edge]

OK but revolver is like

[verbal burrow]

I'd be the fastest pew in the west

[somber adder]

They specified they'd scrap it personally not that everyone should.

[terse idol]

@somber adder

Be literally said

[umbral scaffold]

I think you make it like it’s a big deal but I just gave out my point as to what I prefer

[terse idol]

It's bad

[steady edge]

Revolver is the weapon you pull out to blow the brains off of someone all the way down the hallway

[terse idol]

He LITERALLY SAID it's a bad pistol

[verbal burrow]

Is this going to undo the suffering of the machine spirits of his weapons? No.

[steady edge]

You don’t pull it out when there are zombies in your face

[terse idol]

No

[umbral scaffold]

I think your taking out of context on that one text I sent to Max

[placid portal]

Whenever a Revolver that you can fan the hammer exists I believe the Wow Wow compilation is mandatory

[verbal burrow]

Look people, weapons have souls in this game, which means they have rights. According to Hadron they have more rights than you do.

[terse idol]

You said it's a bad pistol fucking

Not that it's your "opinion"

[umbral scaffold]

Now that I agree

[terse idol]

Oh my god I'm maldin

[steady edge]

You have your melee weapon out by default and then whip out the sixshooter when you need to introduce a distant heretic to the Emperor’s Mercy

[terse idol]

You can't just give advice because it's your opinion, without being able to back if up

[somber adder]

Right, and then said in their opinion and followed up with their reasoning. Idk why you're getting so worked up about someone differing from thu metah

[terse idol]

I literally gave you the reasoning as to why damage dump is terrible

[steady edge]

um

uh

Bolt Pistol?

[terse idol]

Because I've talked about this before

With the same dooood

Its just not

Good reasoning

[umbral scaffold]

It seems both of you can’t comprehend diff opinions , or at least when someone says we can both agree to disagree and move on but you do you rejects

[terse idol]

Like sure you can play max mobility

[somber adder]

That's just like, your opinion dude.

[terse idol]

But you better give your opinion why damage dump is okay

[umbral scaffold]

^

[terse idol]

Because it very much isn't

[broken spade]

I feel like some people forget that 60% mobility was considered high mobility before. Going to 80% on an already mobile weapon at the loss of literally anything useful isn't really worth it imo

[umbral scaffold]

Ok I will in both video format and also personal format

[steady edge]

[terse idol]

My brother in christ if you can't already give it in the discord chat the last time I spoke with ya

[somber adder]

It's not that serious lol
Playing the game your own way is allowed, shocking to some I know.

[terse idol]

There ain't a point

Its just like when you're giving just wrong opinions

Its just bad

[slow spade]

The problem was giving dogshit advice to a new player

[terse idol]

I dunno how like

Yeah

[earnest bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1281888137626517504/caption.gif

[terse idol]

Like

[slow spade]

misleading players is bad

[terse idol]

Am I wrong? Like it's your opinion sure

It's wrong

Some of these weapons in this game have picky breakpoints that like you NEED the damage

And all of the damage infact

[broken spade]

The context is revolver right?

[slow spade]

yeah

the funny boss killing revolver

[full nacelle]

BRUH

[broken spade]

revolver is pretty breakpoint sensitive

[somber adder]

Saying "I prefer it this way" is not wrong in any way. Saying something is a bad gun in your opinion is not wrong.
Sure there's some objectively good weapons etc, meta exists but saying someone voicing their opinion is wrong is silly.

[earnest bone]

before crafting update my revolver was missing 10 damage for a breakpoint, damn casino

[terse idol]

No but like

[broken spade]

I think my revolver on vet is reload dump cause weap spec, and it's mobility dump on other classes

[somber adder]

You don't need anything. You want it maybe and it's optimal, sure. Not everyone plays optimally though

[terse idol]

You're suggesting to someone

[full nacelle]

this nerd in my last mission took the ammo crate when I was getting low, used it in a position where nobody else could use it, took the next ammo crate that spawned, then died with it halfway across the map after hearing me spam "out of ammo" all game

[broken spade]

i literally can't tell the mobility dump is there

[terse idol]

That a max damage revolver

Is bad

[slow spade]

giving players bad advice is actually bad you know?

[terse idol]

Because it's your opinion

It's not good advice

It's fine to be like oh I dunno fuckin know
Like
"Oh its good but I prefer mobility"

[slow spade]

give wrong advice -> people call you out on it

[terse idol]

That's easier to digest for me

Rather than saying

[slow spade]

its not that complex

[terse idol]

"Oh its a bad revolver, in my opinion max mobility is better"

Those are on two separate spectrums

[terse idol]

When someone asks

For opinions on

[hearty panther]

i deffo notice the difference between 60 and 80% mobility

[terse idol]

"Is this a good revolver"

[somber adder]

Idk, they said their reasonings for their opinion and left it at that. Just like you can do.
Meta or optimizing for everything isn't for everyone and thus not automatically good advice.
A friend of mine just runs his same three unoptimized loadouts every mission and still has fun in auric maelstrom.

[terse idol]

And you say

"No"

It's no longer about optimizing

You're giving bad advice

Because of your opinion

[slow spade]

its a public opinion. You're not immune to being called out

[terse idol]

Yes!

[somber adder]

That advice being bad is just your opinion.

[slow spade]

its a dogshit take too so it was justified

[terse idol]

I mean

[slow spade]

hence why it was called out

[terse idol]

That's why I'm calling it out, people agree with me that damage dump is just bad

[somber adder]

Of course you're not immune to being called out, otherwise why even bother talking

[slow spade]

are you really about to argue we shouldn't point out bad takes?

[somber adder]

Never said that

[terse idol]

Like if you want a take you could argue trading ammo for mobility

[slow spade]

but you're implying it

[umbral scaffold]

I’m not on rn I’m out of the house I don’t have the game on hand to give the exact minute detail of what the stat offers, but Mobility/Defense is the overall subjugated stat of the users overall stamina/dodge amount/dodge distance/block cost…. This entails that the general stat that as long as your stat is high you can reach the set caps needed for the best mobility, dodge and dodge distance… in this game you already do alot of damage even with melee as perks+blessings+talents STACK already over your base line damage …. There is very few stats in most trees that help with mobility or benifit mobility in a way over damage…. My argument is that you already reach peak damage numbers with all implied so needing damage high on your weapon isn’t a must… plus 60% damage is already the best golden standard in most cases of weapons , I AGREE MOST CASES YES SOME WEAPONS CANT break point but that means you need to adjust the build accordingly to give it said break points or change what you synergies as a whole…. I much rather do good enough damage and survive a horde rather then brute force a horde and waste dodges that I can’t get back cause my mobility is low…. Many melee weapons even need this high mobility “Psword is a big example” https://youtu.be/KI-_oi0sY8A?si=seeH-PTi0HvfTfry

[terse idol]

Not damageee

[broken spade]

or trade reload if weapon specialist build

[terse idol]

Oh sweet jesus

[somber adder]

Just the screeching intensity at which it was done is a little funny

[umbral scaffold]

It’s ok I gave my 10. Page essay just now 🙂