veteran-class

[full nacelle]

Hunter's Resolve is more if you want to take as much pressure as possible and let your teammates clean up. Got to put that toughness to work.

You only ever want to take one because it completely changes how you play around it.

[serene bough]

i started using hunters resolve over low profile

[full nacelle]

I find it very strong on my melee builds

Turns me into a pseudo-tank

[umbral parrot]

I still love Hunter's because it works when solo.

[verbal burrow]

If we're talking Veteran, and we're referring to what I do for auric storm, then I build for:

• As much toughness capacity as possible
• As much toughness damage resistance as possible
• As much toughness gain as possible
• As much toughness sharing with the team as possible

Additionally there's also my buffs to team damage I suppose

[umbral parrot]

And no 333 Stamina with stamina regen?

[full nacelle]

We got ourselves a Born Leader

[umbral parrot]

Oh?

[verbal burrow]

I do not do this outside of Auric Storm because the people in Heresy are too idiotic to stay in coherence

[full nacelle]

Yeah support builds in lower difficulties are wasted

[verbal burrow]

I wish to shout at everyone at the same time, if their toughness bar dares to be blue

[tall torrent]

Do u build >200 health

[verbal burrow]

I do not do anything with health at all, but some minor nodes come on my way

[full nacelle]

My full support build is also an Autopistol build... I love it

[slow spade]

3 wound curio vet

;)

[verbal burrow]

But yeah if the team is competent then I will live for team-support

[full nacelle]

I wish I could run Onslaught in my full support build

[hearty panther]

Threat is a function of the slot system and is split between all four players. Slots is an entirely separate discussion.

But with all four players the enemies attempt to engage whatever is attacking them > closest to them > least occupied in that order

With Low Profile you basically cease to exist on the first two orders

If you attack them they will attack you though

But only the one guy

whoever you are hitting

downed teammates pull more threat than you do at -90%

[full nacelle]

oh well there you go

[hearty panther]

unless all their slots are occupied by enemies beating them into the ground

at which point some will aggro to you

[coarse plinth]

I don't want to charge up a power sword, what is the 2nd best option just for horde clear. Rashad? Heavy sword?

[hearty panther]

chainsword, basic shovel

[full nacelle]

waaat

Rashad though?

Rashad is the horde king goat as far as I'm concerned

[verbal burrow]

I have a fully upgraded chainsword, and am currently levelling up a Rashad, but so far I've not been impressed by the Rashad's performance in the role of horde clear

[full nacelle]

Does it have Headtaker and BM?

You NEED those

[verbal burrow]

Brutal Momentum and Decapitator atm

[tall torrent]

Put on headtaker

And make sure u have 10% atk speed

Decapitator is a meme-tier blessing

[grave hawk]

for the 3 curio perks. tough, tough regen and hwat?

[verbal burrow]

What, me?

[grave hawk]

for me

srry

[verbal burrow]

At the moment I run:

• toughness
• block cost reduction for clutch rezzing
• corruption resistance

[coarse plinth]

I like CDR, and a mix of damage resist, atleast 1 sprint/stam cost, and 1 corruption resist

[verbal burrow]

I can also see the argument for CDR but I like me clutch rezzes and me corruption resistance

[coarse plinth]

Voice of command is just stupid good

[verbal burrow]

yes

Enjoying the loadscreen with the boys

[tiny summit]

If I upload runs, Im gonna have the loading screen have various gacha music muffled playing as if the pilot was blasting it in their cockpit.

[obtuse olive]

hi guys! more of a general question. So armour in this game is completely cosmetic?

[junior haven]

What would be a good flechette dragonsbreath shotgun perk/blessing choice? Scattershot/Flechette and increased ranged crit 5%... maybe +10% ranged crit dmg?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Manstopper + flechette
Don’t use crit damage perk

[obtuse olive]

ty!!

[tall torrent]

Manstopper is non-negotiable pick for that shotgun tbh

[junior haven]

Yeah. Can see that. I did wish for more cleave when I did a test run with the above build. Appreciate it.

[grave hawk]

does recon lasgun not have ammo or something

[tall torrent]

It does

[grave hawk]

had a guy never run out of ammo without eating all the ammo boxes

[midnight totem]

-stretches-

how's vet chat doing?

I've been busy over in Space Marine 2 lately

[midnight totem]

That bad huh

[somber axle]

Probably just really good at maintaining Reciprocity at max stacks and had +5% crit perk on weapon with the +5% crit talent node. Shock Trooper lets it be a lot more relaxed on ammo than it seems as long as someone keeps their crit chance high

[midnight totem]

How about you Cat. You sound tired

[quartz breach]

Best stats to prioritize on an infantry autogun?

[tall torrent]

Stopping power & damage

[quartz breach]

ty

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-yakuza-kiryu-gif-25261393

I can't play

[midnight totem]

why not

[tame lodge]

Ethernet cable problems

My ping doubled

It's not good

[somber axle]

At work as always but otherwise am good

[tame lodge]

[dense thorn]

Whats the best blessings for a power sword?

[midnight totem]

oof

[somber axle]

I changed my name to Sleepy Cat when someone here told me to go to bed LOL

Still Sneaky but now extra Sneaky because no one can see the Sneaky part

[tame lodge]

Power Cycler Brutal Momentum on the 6
Power Cycler Sunder on the 3

[hollow ibex]

sunder works well on PS6 as well

honestly prefer it over brumentum

[midnight totem]

I feel like power cycler has ben more fragile since the patch

does anybody else?

[hollow ibex]

likely this bug lol

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g93k0e/power_sword_force_sword_thunder_hammer/

[midnight totem]

obviously, extra sneaky when you're actually sleeping and can't be found, kudos

[midnight totem]

you know, that would explain a lot

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's pretty annoying

[tall torrent]

I verified file integrity and my game’s been running 10 Celsius hotter than usual

[midnight totem]

I was wondering why the damn charge was dropping, and it wasn't just due to getting hit

[tall torrent]

[tame lodge]

Schrodinger's Power Sword

[tame lodge]

Peak Fatshark right there

[midnight totem]

I come back from Space Marine 2 to the comfort of Darktide and gotta deal with this

Right now I'm playing with a vet called Cadia Stands

... if he goes down first I'm going to make so many cadia jokes

[tame lodge]

Rinda Karnak 🗣️

I got flash stepped on

[midnight totem]

he went down first

cadia jokes inc

[placid portal]

Cadian Surprise Pack

https://tenor.com/view/elonmusk-gif-15812849364225011268

[tropic abyss]

The sapper shovel mk I has grown on me

[hollow ibex]

THUNK

[tropic abyss]

feels good cock blocking everything with a shovel stab to the face

ragers look so stupid after they charge at you from across the map only to get staggered and THUNK'd to death

[umbral parrot]

I think that boof was laced with fent~!

[terse tusk]

hehe recon lasgun go brrrrrr

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-frone-explode-dies-gif-14493096138927684504

[tropic abyss]

earlier today a run ended because the guy saving the people captured (everyone farted after seeing the plage ogryn) dodge into the abbyss to avoid a burster

[midnight totem]

finally

75 grimoires picked up

[green willow]

whats the difference between the mk 3 and 4 combat blade

[deft crystal]

Short vet or tall vet

Short vet good for cover but bad for melee hits

Tall vet bad for cover and good for melee weak spots

[placid portal]

One has a Cleave Heavy 1 and 2 and the other has only Strikdown heavies

[green willow]

which

[placid portal]

mk3 is solo(grey) mk4(Green) is Crowd ish but you have other ways to do Single target Damage combos

[hollow ibex]

you mean mk3 and mk6?

mk6 is generally considered stronger

mk3 is light spam for hordes, heavy spam for single target

[green willow]

6*

[hollow ibex]

mk6 is alternating lights/heavies for hordes, and push attack spam for single target

[green willow]

misread it

[hollow ibex]

mk6 is higher dps in general, but a bit harder to use and build for

[green willow]

mk3 is good for single target?

[hollow ibex]

it's decent at it

hordes is what knives really have a harder time with

still workable, but dps is very underwhelming

single target they're both good

[green willow]

which one has better alpha damage

[tame lodge]

What's that supposed to mean

[green willow]

damage in a single strike

I want to build it into a one shot

[serene bough]

depending on what you want to 1hko you should consider playing shroudfield zealot

otherwise Mk6 will hit many similar breakpoints as the mk3 with a better moveset for horde clear

[tall torrent]

There’s no mk4
VI (6) is the better knife

[full nacelle]

Why Infantry Lasgun blessings so boring?

It's the only gun I don't have a build for because I can't think of anything unique to do with it

[serene bough]

its a pretty straightforward weapon, shoot things in the face

[full nacelle]

but other guns shoot things in the face better

[serene bough]

ilas has its place being highly ammo efficient and sustaining fire

its a great weapon

[full nacelle]

I'm not saying it's bad. It's just that I can't find a single thing it does that other guns can't do.

And the other guns that fill its niche can do it better

[serene bough]

im partial, i almost always use an ilas over other guns

[full nacelle]

I respect it. Lasers are cool.

I love my laspistol

[serene bough]

high volume of enemies calls for high volume of fire

[pastel zealot]

for those that have used the shock maul, which mark was your preference? I'm really liking the second mark for it

[tall torrent]

III

better single target moveset, better horde clear (slightly)

Ia is not bad tho

[pastel zealot]

What's the main difference between the light attacks? I noticed the LA has like a weird upper cut

[tropic abyss]

What do you do for hordes? Pull out a melee?

[full nacelle]

Does anyone know if Falter does anything?

[serene bough]

is garbo

[full nacelle]

rats

[tall torrent]

yes

it allows ur shock maul H1 to break rager combo if it hits weakspot

[full nacelle]

does it do anything on ranged weapons?

[tall torrent]

I don't bother with it on ranged weapons

because they just have better picks

and it's very rare that u want ur gun to stagger

[full nacelle]

I'm trying to find a niche for infantry lasgun I don't have filled

[tropic abyss]

Hammer, what do you think of One Motion?

[full nacelle]

driving me crazy

[tall torrent]

niche
idea is cool, numerical value needs to be higher

it's good for boltgun / helbore

and helps with throwing frags a bit faster

[junior grail]

I don't know how to use Weapon Specialist

Is there a suggestion for easiest way to learn it?

[tall torrent]

but outside of those, it's generally meh

[tall torrent]

what are ur weapons

[full nacelle]

very weapon specific... you generally just want a combo that can swap a lot

[junior grail]

Plasmagun, melee not fixed

[tropic abyss]

I have one extra point, the options are One Motion, Field Improv, 25 tou, 5% crit chance, Reciprocity and Skirmisher

[junior grail]

Yea I don't know what combo to use

[full nacelle]

the quintessential Weapon Specialist build is a melee setup with the Zarona revolver

kill stuff in melee, quick swap over to revolver to pop a special in the head, kill stuff in melee faster

and WS lets you automatically reload it

[tall torrent]

do u want survivalist for plasma

[junior grail]

But if I stay too long in melee, the buff will go away right?

[junior grail]

Isn't survivalist still the best aura?

[tall torrent]

generally not needed outside of C-I-VI maelstrom and a few weapons

because the problem with plasma is

u have to have either fire team or redirect fire for breakpoints

which means

if u play survivalist + weapon specialist

u miss 1 tap breakpoints that are crucial to it

[full nacelle]

nah you just have to get a kill with your ranged weapon to refresh it... which is easy because you have a guaranteed crit revolver in your pocket with ammo always ready

[hollow ibex]

yeah so the loop is to kill three guys using melee

[junior grail]

I see, what do you suggest instead?

[hollow ibex]

swap to your ranged weapon, kill something

then swap back to your melee

[tall torrent]

revolver

[full nacelle]

infantry lasguns are joining helbores in my "I can't think of a way to make it fun" category

pains my heart

luckily I still have laspistol my beloved

[hollow ibex]

i need to try ilas again, but yeah helbore is just fucking painful to use honestly

[serene bough]

which ilas mk are you using anyhow

[misty delta]

which breakpoints, if you dont mind

[junior grail]

I like the concept of helbore haha

[tall torrent]

dreg gunner 1hs, both flamer 1hs, tox bomber 1 bodyshot

[junior grail]

Ok with any melee?

[misty delta]

I see tysm

[full nacelle]

any of them... I've gone through every mk and tried every blessing and it just seems like an inferior laspistol/infantry autogun

[serene bough]

F

[full nacelle]

Helbore is a really cool concept but my god is it clunky to play in aurics

[stoic thorn]

How I feel after equipping the chainsword and boltgun

[junior grail]

The blue infantry lasgun never seems to run out of ammo haha

[serene bough]

yeak the IIb is my favorite ilas

[tall torrent]

u can cope with crit 1 tap breakpoints but I'm not a fan of relying on crit for breakpoints on veteran

[tall torrent]

rashad

[tropic abyss]

weapon specialist seems like too much work when marksman focus exists

guaranteed crits are nice, though

[tall torrent]

That’s like
The exact opposite of how it is

[tropic abyss]

with camourflage I can just play normally and get bonus from MF

[junior grail]

I can't use Marksman Focus cause I can't stay still

Too paranoid haha

[tropic abyss]

you can move for some seconds after killing

6 secs per kill as long as you headshot

and camourflage generates stacks

[junior grail]

I also don't use Focus Target cause I'm a bad player that doesn't Tag enemies haha

[tropic abyss]

I don't like FT

I get that it's a big buff and low effort but I just find it lame

[serene bough]

i take MF but I don't bother with any of the nodes for MF

theyre all pretty lackluster to me

[hollow ibex]

camo's nice so you don't need to baby the stacks

it lets you actually play the fucking game

[tropic abyss]

camo's real nice

without camo I'd go weapon specialist

[serene bough]

not to sound like a snob but just hit more headshots

i used camo for a while and it felt like it wasnt worth it

[tall torrent]

Camo’s nice in general

But MF is not worth it

Because for anything that needs breakpoints, FT usually does it better

[hollow ibex]

i mean you can start the fight with 10 stacks. or you can start the fight with 0 and have to build up your stacks.

[tall torrent]

And for anything that isn’t breakpoint-focused, WS is just a more generalist buff

[serene bough]

im ok with how MF functions

[junior grail]

What blessings bis for Rashad?

[full nacelle]

I don't know about you guys but I spend way too much time running around in auric missions to constantly be at 10 stacks of MF with/without camo

[crude fiber]

i like MF with the brown lasgun, lets you 1 shot everything except crushers if you get a crit

[full nacelle]

Brutal Momentum/Headtaker

[serene bough]

i just think there needs to be something more interesting for its other nodes

[hollow ibex]

sounds like you need to land more headshots

[tall torrent]

I think the entire keystone needs a rework

[serene bough]

id rather not i like the idea of headshots rewarding buffs to the player

ive grown accustom to using it

[tall torrent]

Yea, make non-weakspot hits remove stacks

Have you just normally hold 10 stacks of buff without having to kill things first

[full nacelle]

Depends on what gun I'm bringing. On revolver it's easy but others actually require effort.

[junior grail]

I like this, being forced to move or not move is bad for this gameplay imo

[crude fiber]

my games when running it are hit or miss tbh, either the servers and my aim are good or one of them isnt

[serene bough]

im not opposed to that change but it would still be mechanically pretty much the same

i.e. ranged damage buff to shift breakpoints on enemies

[hollow ibex]

technically if you keep landing headshots, it's irrelevant

[junior grail]

Except you can run now and keep the stacks

[hollow ibex]

but yeah it's annoying

in practice

[tall torrent]

Mechanically, still just “hit weak spots”
Functionally, way way way better

[crude fiber]

removing the natural degeneration would be nice ngl but then i fell like youd almost always have max stacks

[junior grail]

My OCD brain starts yelling when I see the stacks drop

[hollow ibex]

don't blame ya

[full nacelle]

honestly they should make it more consistent... less stacks but same level of power

easier to stack and easier to maintain

[serene bough]

would depend how it gets tuned, because if you get 6 seconds grace and 3 stacks per weakspot kill thne yeah it'll always be active

[full nacelle]

or just make the timer to lose stacks longer

[crude fiber]

maybe they could make it build less stacks per kill or raise the stack limit and reduce the buff per stack

[golden compass]

question, what's a good build to run Vet with? and what weapon's are recommended. Are hellbores still good?

[tropic abyss]

helbores

this is sad

[hollow ibex]

helbore 🤮

[golden compass]

but I like hellbores...

[full nacelle]

Vet has the most build variety in the game so depends on what you want to do. Helbores make me sad. They're super clunky to use in the higher difficulties.

[serene bough]

regardless, i feel like it needs much more interesting nodes to pick from

camo can be useful but i wouldnt bother taking, and the other 3 are pretty much unimportant

[hollow ibex]

they're good, but it really is an acquired taste...

[full nacelle]

Chink in their Armor needs a rework. One of the worst nodes in the game.

10% rending at max stacks or take the node that gives 10% rending by default

[golden compass]

I like Las guns 😮 dpes that help?

[tropic abyss]

I wish they were good

[golden compass]

or plasma guns both are fun

[umbral scaffold]

Should be 20 rendding scalled tbh

[full nacelle]

Lasguns are fine. Laspistols are the sexier lasguns.

[full nacelle]

Or even better, have it give rending per stack

[tropic abyss]

lasguns are cool

[somber axle]

Helbores are ok but the awkward swap speed can get you in trouble if you're not used to it

[tropic abyss]

every soldier of the astra millitarum is using one, why wouldn't you want to use one as well?

[crude fiber]

2% rending per stack would be cool but probably allow too much crusher killing

[somber axle]

I like using them in no ammo maels

[tall torrent]

No more grace periods

Just have it be
Normally hold 10 (up to 10) stacks (always active)
Non-weakspot hits drop 1 stack per attack
Weakspot hits gain 1 stack per ranged attack
Weakspot ranged kills gain 2 stacks

Modifiers can be:
+10% T.rend at 10 or more stacks
+% toughness gain rate based on stacks
weakspot kills gain +2 stacks (+3), but non-weakspot hits drop 1 more stack (-2)
melee weakspot hits & kills also replenish stacks

Make it entirely separate from movement and just be weakspot hit dependent

[umbral scaffold]

Youre not meant to swap alot

Hence the bayonette

[tall torrent]

Have it start working at the start of fights, not “after I’ve killed 3 enemies with headshots”

[tropic abyss]

weapon specialist has garanteed crits, MF could have rending instead of/along with finesse

[somber axle]

Yeah but sometimes you need to like for pushing bursters

[hollow ibex]

completely contrary to my playstyle 😭

[somber axle]

Or for dealing with hordes

[lavish token]

You should be using your melee weapon no matter what

[golden compass]

so which las gun is good to use now? infantry? Recon?

[lavish token]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-cat-upset-annoyed-perturbed-gif-2678264647403754706

[hollow ibex]

real men take bursters on the chin

[somber axle]

Bayonet thrusting a horde away is pretty slow and really only ok for small groups before resuming firing

[hearty panther]

i just do this all the time

[hollow ibex]

recon and laspistol are the most meta of the las weapons

recon got big buffed

[hearty panther]

basically gun only, my shovel is just to complete the look

[lavish token]

Infantry scales exponentially with aim accuracy

[somber axle]

Sir I am a cat

[serene bough]

really dislike modifiers

[golden compass]

so infantry and recon then, does the build differ between them?

[somber axle]

The only thing I am taking is a nap

[tropic abyss]

both are good, recon is probably better

[tall torrent]

The rework would still make it 10x more intuitive to play than what it is rn

[lavish token]

Recon is much better than inflas

[tropic abyss]

no filter

[serene bough]

im not opposed to the rework but the modifiers are still not worth imo

well

camo with that kind of rework may actually prevent you from ever going below 10 stacks lols

[umbral scaffold]

Oh my thumbs are strarting to do that faint squeaky noise when im about the get tendonitis lol

[tall torrent]

Given that veteran talents are generally very competitive, I don’t think it should have >1 subnodes that are “u have to take for it to work right”

[serene bough]

sure, but you could definitely find ways to make it do the same job but function somewhat differently

[umbral scaffold]

Camo's great for run and stop to unleash fire as a gameplay tbh

[somber axle]

All of them are solid imo but I'd warn against the Mk IX Infantry Lasgun (formerly Mk XII) because it struggles most compared to the other Infantry Lasgun variants

Also for Recons this is the general consensus (even if I think they are all fun and good for different things)
XII > XIV > VIc

Helbores are solid but the slow firing speed/high charged shot damage variant (Helbore Mk IV) has an awkward bayonet swing so I recommend against it tbh

[serene bough]

i think of stealth and how it has various buffs depending on what you're aiming for (TDR, lose aggro, damage increase, etc.)

10% rending at 10 stacks is just such a garbage pick

[umbral scaffold]

Like oh no the stack go away when i move but you can just retrain to just not rush into every enemy you see

[crude fiber]

Could lose a stack every x seconds you don't get a weakspot hit. Would then make it realistically possible to run a braced auto gun

[umbral scaffold]

Outputs great fire from afar

[tall torrent]

it could be smth like
+10% T.rend at 10 or more stacks
+% toughness gain rate based on stacks
weakspot kills gain +2 stacks (+3), but non-weakspot hits drop 1 more stack (-2)
melee weakspot hits & kills also replenish stacks

[serene bough]

yeah, that's better

[tropic abyss]

MF working on melee would be great, just the bonuses would also have to apply to melee

[golden compass]

Alright, so then my next question is what is a good build for REcon las gun?

[serene bough]

more interesting nodes

[tropic abyss]

and I can't reload a shovel

[tall torrent]

don't have to, it's a really stupid amount of extra finesse

it'd be too good

+75% finesse is crazy

MF's problem is never how much benefit it gives

it's entirely being unintuitive to play

[serene bough]

it would probably be too OP, but i wouldn't mind rending @ 10 stacks be replaced w/ applying brittleness when shooting somethign @ 10 stackks

so at least everyone benefits

could just be a flat number like 10%

[tropic abyss]

shooting weakspots

[tall torrent]

Might as well scrap rending entirely tbh

Make your ranged weakspot hits also mark that enemy and apply a “+%damage taken” debuff

[serene bough]

inb4markspammingragequit

[serene bough]

also good

[tall torrent]

[umbral scaffold]

The rensing aspect could be swapped for infernus stacks on las and rending kept for on stub and slug

[shadow dagger]

ranged maelstrom moment

[serene bough]

i got a bone to pick with rending

[shadow dagger]

holymoly

[umbral scaffold]

Wrong reply

[tall torrent]

It’d be like exe stance team-share but u highlight by shooting at them

[full nacelle]

lets get rid of rending altogether

[serene bough]

rending and brittleness being distinct is kind of silly to me

[umbral scaffold]

Ive never taken that node bevause its litterally a duplicate subpar

[serene bough]

i get one is individual vs teamwide

[golden compass]

I am just getting back to vet after a year a picture would be nice pls

[serene bough]

but still

[tropic abyss]

how often does this game get updates and what are the chances of MF getting a rework?

[full nacelle]

rending strikes is just not worth it in 99% of situations

[serene bough]

only useful on bullet hose weapons like recon/columnus

[tall torrent]

Update: roughly every 2 weeks (hotfix for new cosmetic rotation)
Major Patch: inconsistent (can be months without)
Chances for MF rework: slim

[tall torrent]

What

[umbral scaffold]

Actually ? Swap right side rending with brittleness stacks and now were talking

[tropic abyss]

all we get are cosmetics
vet has like 2 cool pants
weapon skin shop is painfully lame
no MF rework
why even play?

[serene bough]

to purge heretics

[full nacelle]

much better ways to deal with carapace enemies

[tall torrent]

Rending changes Rashad breakpoint vs crusher

Depending on build

[limpid forge]

skill issue i guess

[tall torrent]

[serene bough]

it always comes back to the rashad

praise the rashad

[full nacelle]

that would be the 1% then

[tall torrent]

That’s not the 1%

[tropic abyss]

I think hammer uses the rashad

[somber axle]

Depends on which variant

I'd recommend the Recon Mk XII. Use it with Shock Trooper, Rending Strikes and Onslaught. Reciprocity recommended but if you dislike the Reciprocity talent you can take the Headhunter blessing on the gun. You need one or the other for crit chance synergy with Shock Trooper. Both isn't necessary. None of the keystones majorly impact the Recon Mk XII so if you choose to this is one of the guns where it is totally viable to skip a keystone. Take which ever aura/ability/grenade you like but take the most direct path down if possible to save talent points to afford the important stuff

Oh also

[tall torrent]

There’re many weapons that have <1 ADM against flak or maniac

You’re writing them off completely for no reason

[full nacelle]

bruh what is ADM

actions der minute?

[tall torrent]

If u don’t even know that, I don’t think u qualify for giving opinions on whether rending strikes is good or not

It’s a weapon-dependent pick

[full nacelle]

I don't think most people know what ADM is but ok

[golden compass]

the XII right now and I don't know what any of these talents are

[tall torrent]

It’s what rending strikes modifies

[somber axle]

Dum Dum + Deathspitter with Reciprocity (highest damage vs most targets)
Dum Dum + Infernus with Reciprocity (better damage vs bosses, fun fire DoT for finishing fleeing targets beyond LoS, saves ammo when the DoT ticks finish something off)
Dum Dum + Headhunter if no Reciprocity
Infernus + Headhunter if no Reciprocity

These are all viable but the top 2 blessing combos work best

Ignore the other blessings tbh they're very eh

[full nacelle]

well the description says "10% rending" so that's what I go by and in that case I don't see much of a difference unless the weapon I'm using has a very specific breakpoint I can't get to through other more universally useful means

[umbral scaffold]

I love using the slower recon because its more forgiving on missed shots cause yes the fast firing one does concerve more ammo when it crits more but you also lose rwice more ammo if you miss a salvo

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent @lavish token https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4qx0GnIJmk

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tall torrent]

Rending’s value is weapon dependent, as in you need to know that weapons’ Armor damage modifiers (ADM) against specific Armor types (usually flak & maniac) to know whether it’d be enough value to take or not

[tall torrent]

I’m not watching that

[somber axle]

Here's an example build grabbing all the talents I mentioned that leaves you with 3 points to spend as you like

[golden compass]

oh neat. why does it go voice of command over like infiltrate? just to get down fast?

[tall torrent]

@full nacelle

[umbral scaffold]

Infiltrate is good when applied right. But it might just fuck your team over more if youre nit carefull

Or just dont know hoe to play it

[golden compass]

then what about exicutioners stance?

[full nacelle]

Ah ok I know what that is. Just didn't know the acronym. Yeah, from my testing I've found very few times I'd take that over just running a weapon that can already deal with crushers. I could be wrong though.

[umbral scaffold]

Ex stance's alright for good damage and target aquisition

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes is bottom middle and gives +10% rending

Shock Trooper makes all crits cost 0 ammo for lasguns and is bottom left

Onslaught gives 2.5% brittleness per stack and 1 stack per shot up to 16 stacks for a total 40% brittleness

Reciprocity gives +5% crit chance per stack and awards 1 stack per dodged attack up to 5 stacks or +25% crit chance. It has an 8 sec duration and the crit chance affects both melee and ranged weapons

[tall torrent]

usually it's taken to boost weapons' dmg vs flak or maniac
there're very few cases where it's taken to boost carapace dmg
rashad is the only example I know where depending on ur talent set-up, it can help u get a 3 hit kill instead of a 4 hit kill on mauler/crusher

[full nacelle]

Infiltrate definitely has a learning curve... I sucked with it when I first started and was wondering why I would ever take it

[serene bough]

love infiltrate

i cant stand VoC

[tall torrent]

it's a 1-point cost can do as much if not more than superiority complex for some weapons

[somber axle]

Yeah for efficient pathing mostly. And also just because most people like VoC more vs the other abilities. I use Shredder Frag Grenades, Survivalist's Aura and Executioner's Stance with my Recon Mk XII. You can absolutely alternate abilities, auras and grenades as you like

[midnight totem]

Infiltrate, when you need it you don't have it and when you have it you don't need it

[full nacelle]

Are there certain weapons that it helps with breakpoints? Cause I haven't really found any

[somber axle]

They all work fine with the Recon

[midnight totem]

at least, until you get into the groove of using it

[tall torrent]

Rashad
Graia 7 v.auto
Infantry lasguns
Laspistols
All automatic weapons (not really breakpoints)

[umbral scaffold]

I love when i got a yellow ping designated target vet when i run ex stance i just shred through everything with braced autogun anything even unyielding

[serene bough]

how does ilas benefit from rending

[tall torrent]

Flak damage

[serene bough]

yeah but which breakpoint

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes and Onslaught let you shoot your Recon Mk XII at Crushers without needing to swap melee. They also help your ADM vs Flak, Maniac and Unyielding for a bit more damage vs them too

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly i never waste my energy on shooting crushers. Love the big lads love to get in melee with em

[somber axle]

Reciprocity and Shock Trooper let you shoot more freely without needing to worry so much about ammo concerns

[tall torrent]

IIb scab gunner 3HS without exe stance
In exe stance, 2 headshot both gunners, both shotgunners, both flamers

VII scab gunner 2HS without exe stance
IX scab gunner 1HS in exe stance

Also general flak damage, helps in practical scenarios vs shotgunners & scab ragers (bodyshots can be more likely)

[somber axle]

If you ignore Shock Trooper and/or some form of crit chance (Reciprocity or Headhunter) the gun can be very thirsty for ammo

[serene bough]

well MF bumps IIb scab gunner to 2HS

but i guess it depends on your build path

[tropic abyss]

killing crushers with mk I shovel is more fun than with the other shovels

[golden compass]

@somber axle you think this is ok? or should i change stuff?

[serene bough]

i havent tried to see if rending could reach the same 2HS breakpoint

[tall torrent]

Yea, I don’t bother with MF on most guns
Pathing to it just isn’t worth it

[golden compass]

I was thinking about trying to grab determined but not sure if that's super needed

[tall torrent]

The only 2 weapons I consider MF for, I go WS instead

[serene bough]

does rending w/ mg1a (or whatever it is now) not push over to 1HS

i think i asked you this before

[tall torrent]

no, ur missing like 400 dmg unless u include exe + MF

[full nacelle]

Guess I never considered how much of a damage boost it gives versus flak. You think it would be worth it on an autopistol?

[tall torrent]

u can 1 tap with both active

[serene bough]

sorry i mean rending + exe

[tall torrent]

it's mandatory on autopistol

[full nacelle]

Beautiful! Thanks

[serene bough]

but based on what youre saying you also need MF in addition

[somber axle]

I think you need Rending Strikes. It's the talent node just above the bottom middle keystone. But otherwise I think it is solid. If you want an easy way to reach it you could drop Counterfire and Enhanced Target Priority for it

[umbral scaffold]

Why need killing power on autopistol..... its a stagger weapon ........

[tall torrent]

Yea, exe + MF for VII for the most part
Rending reduces the stack amount needed

However

[serene bough]

i see

[tall torrent]

U actually don’t need MF

You could take marksman and get that 1 tap breakpoint for 10s

Probably a better bet than using MF for breakpoints

[somber axle]

You could try it as is without Rending Strikes but it'll be a bit weaker while it builds Onslaught stacks

[serene bough]

thing is

[golden compass]

yeah I'll do that thanks.

[serene bough]

the weapon is such a tease

[somber axle]

Welcomes!

[serene bough]

because scab gunners are just the problem

[golden compass]

now... do this with the hellbore

[serene bough]

shotgunners die easy and, well i forget how quickly unarmored gunners fold to exe mg1a

[somber axle]

Helbores are tricky and I really only know the Helbore Mk V well tbh

[serene bough]

at that point i'd rather just accept the 2-tap and see where else i could put a point

[tall torrent]

“Why play empowered psyonics for smite…… it’s a stagger tool ……..”

[tall torrent]

Same 2 headshot

[serene bough]

reeeeee

fucking gunners

[tall torrent]

VII is not as good as IIb now imo

[golden compass]

man the recon las gun feels like a Multi las lol

[tropic abyss]

where do I find the ADM for the columnus to know if rending strikes is worth it or not?

[umbral scaffold]

The fast firing one yes

Slow firing one is less debil

[tall torrent]

IIb has mostly the same breakpoints, shoots faster, has more ammo, reloads less, has better ADS movement speed, has better initial hipfire accuracy and instant sprint-to-fire

[serene bough]

reposting bc relevant

[full nacelle]

Competitive Urge... Crap?

[serene bough]

yes IIb is my absolute favorite weapon

[tall torrent]

Go into inspect weapon menu, check damage profile

[somber axle]

There are two ways to build the Helbore Mk V: get Unarmoured and Maniac as perks on the weapon to meet the important Dreg Gunner and Flamer breakpoint or build enough damage throughout the tree to meet the breakpoints without it. I do the latter so I can grab Carapace for a funny 2-3 shot kill breakpoint on Crushers with it during Exe Stance

[serene bough]

definitely prefer over VII

[tall torrent]

Compare that with the weapon card’s base damage

[serene bough]

and IX is just crying in the corner

[tall torrent]

If you get a number that’s smaller than the base damage, that’s <1 ADM

[umbral scaffold]

Nvr used it . But i hear it procs alot on higher diff when ppl kill alot of shit idk

[clear lantern]

it's so hot out here

[full nacelle]

Thinking about running it on my support build but not sure if it actually procs enough to be worth it

[tall torrent]

it's meh

[serene bough]

im not a fan of random damage proccing at random times

[umbral scaffold]

Me neither tbh

[full nacelle]

Shaaame... Yeah the proc rate is too damn low and I already deal 0 damage most of the time

Don't think I'm getting a whole lot out of it

[tall torrent]

because it's not consistent enough to be considered as part of breakpoint calculation
and it's not high enough value to boost breakpoints higher up

and it relies on ur teammates killing stuff better than u do

[tropic abyss]

it's lower for flak and carapace, and higher for all the rest

[somber axle]

I must return to work though so good luck! Oh also I forgot to mention there's a link to a guide in pins that can outline which ever weapon you want to check for blessings/perks. I just ctrl+F and type the name of the weapon I want to look up if I need to look at a weapon I'm less familiar with

[tall torrent]

yea, flak is 0.9x iirc
carapace is low, but that's to be expected

in this case, rending strikes help boost flak ADM from 0.9 to 1

[tiny summit]

Yea comp urge is weird. Not consistent ajd when it does proc, did were you going yo make use of it or notice it?

[tall torrent]

it's not super high value but it's ok

[tropic abyss]

0.8x

card is 99, flak body is 72

[tall torrent]

the other thing with comp urge is that
for some reason, when active, it has very similar on-screen effects to Focus Target's max stack on-screen effect

[tall torrent]

ok then it goes from 0.8x to 0.9x

[tropic abyss]

seems lame

[full nacelle]

Ah that is confusing... Ah well

[umbral scaffold]

I hope we gwt a halloween special .... and it Being not rinda round 4 or just lights out

[golden compass]

Oh what perks should I grab for it

[tall torrent]

Well, it’s a multiplicative x1.125 damage to flak (0.9/0.8 = 1.125)
That’s more than most other damage buffs u can get from just 1 point

[golden compass]

oh and what melee do you guys recommend.

[full nacelle]

Rashad all day erry day

[umbral scaffold]

Depends. Do you wanna cover all your bases ? Whats your ranged weapon

[golden compass]

whats a rashad?

[full nacelle]

combat axe

[somber axle]

Carapace, Unyielding, Flak and Crit Chance are all solid perk options. I personally run Carapace and Crit Chance (and sometimes swap Crit Chance to Unyielding when I see the Monstrosity modifier on Maelstroms) but Flak + Crit Chance is probably the best general use combo

[tall torrent]

Combat axe III

[golden compass]

Recon lasgun Mk XII

[tall torrent]

Oh nvm

U can’t afford Rashad in that kind of build

Run smth like duelling sword ig

[somber axle]

Recon Mk XII is too talent point expensive to grab the talents the Rashad Combat Axe Mk III needs to be effective

Power Sword would be good!

[full nacelle]

Can't afford? I run rashad with everything

[somber axle]

Dueling Sword is ok

[golden compass]

I got a Power sword dunno if it's any good

[somber axle]

I like Chainsword and Knife (but tbh Power Sword will probably serve you best)

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t

[tall torrent]

Finesse too low

Get one with 60% cleave target and everything else at 80%

[full nacelle]

B-but the head chopping

[umbral scaffold]

Power sword with power cycler blessing is fun gives you more energised hits

[tall torrent]

Rashad without 10% atk speed is incomplete

[umbral scaffold]

Lota of clear and cleave

[golden compass]

would finesse 75% be fine enough for now?

[full nacelle]

I still find it better than the dueling sword without the attack speed

[tall torrent]

usable
but every other stat except cleave target needs to be high

[umbral scaffold]

Though it leaves you vulnerable alot

[golden compass]

with 80 damage, mobility and cleave damage and 65% cleave target

yay thumbs up

[tiny summit]

Yes. Most weapons are "fine enough"

[golden compass]

and blessings for power sword?

[tropic abyss]

I don't use the power sword nor do I have one to check but what does cleave target govern?

[tiny summit]

If you want to min max, yea there's a goal you can set if you play enough. Usability? Its fine

[full nacelle]

tbh all weapons are fine enough... just depends on what you want to do and how much you want to optimize

[umbral scaffold]

Power sword with power cycler blessing is fun gives you more energised hits

[golden compass]

it's grey so I'll have to build it up a bit

but this is good to know

[vernal wharf]

any advice for on overwatch penance?

[umbral scaffold]

I forgot which other two are best but its something like BM or some other shit of the likes i dont remember

[full nacelle]

How many enemies it can hit through with its BASIC ATTACKS... Which you never use on the Power Sword

[tiny summit]

Not taking dmg?

[tropic abyss]

done it on a random pub where I was matched with 3 orgyns

so my advice is make friends with ogryns

[full nacelle]

Two different ways. You go full tank VoC build with maximum toughness regen. OR you go full cowardly Infiltrate build with Low Profile and spend the entire game cowering in fear.

[somber axle]

I have something that can help! One sec

[golden compass]

the great wall of beef

[midnight totem]

Excuse me?

[somber adder]

Stamina curios, shout and blocking are your friends

[somber axle]

@vernal wharf Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 8 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[vernal wharf]

gas thanks

[full nacelle]

you heard me

[somber axle]

You can earn it as low as Malice difficulty. A Low Intensity Malice map would be the easiest way to try to get it

[midnight totem]

Only the truly brave veteran knows to stealth into the middle of the enemy horde. Usually to pick you up

[rigid pilot]

Stealth minigame is always nice to have on a team

[wet ether]

heh fuck those psykers

[umbral scaffold]

Ppl using Stealth to revive are mvps

[wet ether]

you called

[somber axle]

Don't worry the Psyker is probably running Smite. They were either already going to die or they were always fine

[midnight totem]

Truth

Smitekers are either unstoppable Palpatine cosplayers of death

Or temporary meatshields

There is no inbetween

[hearty panther]

theyre actually both

[wet ether]

combat knife certainly does a number on the wrist

so for the combat knife what y'all recommend

blessings wise

[midnight totem]

One day I will get the 100 missions no down

Achievement for the team

[tall torrent]

uncanny/riposte + flesh/precog/mercy

[shut orbit]

Is the Commisar's Cap that's in the store right now just the Black version? Is the Red one (without the eye) a seperate item?

[crude fiber]

Took me a very very long time but I also play exclusively damnation

[midnight totem]

I stopped making progress on it after I moved to auric, which, fair

but everytime I attempted a malice or under game after that, somebody always went down

[crude fiber]

Yeah it's once in a blue moon I play a game where no one goes down. Lower difficulties tend to have lower skill players

[verbal burrow]

Is this correct?

[tall torrent]

Swap flak to carapace

[verbal burrow]

I'd have imagined that Unarmoured would be the first to go

[shut orbit]

How does one go about making a melee chainsword build? Voice of command, weapons specialist, what else is good?

Does the chainsword's alt mode ticks stack Onslaught?

[verbal burrow]

When I use a chainsword, I still just start off by taking Krak Grenade + Fire Team + Voice of Command + Focus Target, and it's never done me wrong

[verbal burrow]

Speaking of which, I gotta say, I don't like the Rashad axe as much as the chainsword

[tall torrent]

What’s ur tree

Because if you don’t spec into attack speed, Rashad doesn’t feel as good to play

[verbal burrow]

Currently this for AM:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4db135-32d1-4e2c-be71-170b1b4b5a77/squad-leader-10

[tall torrent]

Yea, you don’t have attack speed

That chainsword can also use help ngl

Wrath + shred is better

XIIIg only has 1 attack that can activate rampage/savage sweep vs scab bruisers

[verbal burrow]

So I've heard but it staggering the entire horde in front of me is desirable

[tall torrent]

Well

Attack speed does that better for u

There’re several wasted points here

[verbal burrow]

I am not having a problem with getting rampage and savage sweep to activate

[tall torrent]

On poxwalkers, no

On bruisers, yes

Also Boltgun with that build is just weird

Boltgun really wants exe stance and reload speed stuff

No offense but that build is not very good

[verbal burrow]

I already have reload stance and I one-tap almost everything except the plague doggo and mutant

[tall torrent]

You have VoC with no reload speed talents for Boltgun

[verbal burrow]

I've also used plasma gun for too long and want something else

[full nacelle]

Bruh. This is my support autopistol build only I take Charismatic instead of the toughness damage reduction.

[verbal burrow]

Oh right might be because I've been playing my fun build for a bit

[tall torrent]

I’d honestly scrap the entire thing
Curio perks are weird
XIIIg is built wrong
Boltgun doesn’t get its ideal talents
Several wasted points

[verbal burrow]

Whilst I of course have absolutely no issues without reload speed, the build I fuck around on does have +25% reload speed

Not that this is relevant presently

Curio perks serve their purpose, the chainsword serves it's purpose, and the boltgun serves it's purpose

[tall torrent]

Well

Good for u?

[verbal burrow]

I do like the blessings you've suggested tho and will be trying those out

[tall torrent]

But it’s really not very good lol

You have to just accept that certain weapons want specific talents / abilities to work properly

[full nacelle]

I just want to say that if you're not set on boltgun, the autopistol has inspiring barrage for a born leader build

[verbal burrow]

I do like the guaranteed critical hit on the boltgun, and gloryhunter is an eternal favourite. What does Inspiring Barrage offer?

More importantly, can it one-shot most Specials and Elites?

[full nacelle]

refills your toughness as you fire which is all the time

[tall torrent]

Don’t take gloryhunter for Boltgun

[full nacelle]

plus the autopistols alt fire keeps things on their butt

[tall torrent]

Actually, don’t take toughness gain blessings for Boltgun, period

If u want gloryhunter, it’s just plasma gun

2 Boltgun build variations here

[full nacelle]

I think boltpistol has a decent version of gloryhunter... not sure why the boltguns is so much weaker

[tall torrent]

Second one has 1 spare point

[full nacelle]

Yeah 16% versus 30%

[verbal burrow]

You also have to understand that as a Vermintide 2 player, I see Specials as one of the biggest threats, so having something that can one-tap them is very important to me.

[tall torrent]

Then you shouldn’t build Boltgun like that

If u care about 1 taps, it’s flak + maniac, pinning fire + puncture

[verbal burrow]

The Plasma Gun gets pulled out when it's time for premade AM games

[tall torrent]

One bodyshot both gunners, both flamers, both shotgunners

2 bodyshot maulers & both ragers

I’ll also say that if you’re not willing to go exe stance

Boltgun is not worth it for veteran

Exe stance is a huge boost for Boltgun

U can play it without exe stance but it’s not remotely as good

[verbal burrow]

It's been extremely worth it since I don't want to use Plasma Gun all the time, and still oneshots what I want it to oneshot

What about all my fun builds that do use exe stance

Why should I not have a boltgun for those?

[tall torrent]

Basically

If u want to use a Boltgun

Go exe stance

Simple as

Boltgun without exe stance is missing like 50% of its performance

[verbal burrow]

Not noticing it tbh. Almost every shot is a crit and a headshot

You are right that going unarmoured for the sake of gunners and shotgunners might be overkill when maniacs are more annoying

[tall torrent]

What

[full nacelle]

Yeah of course you can do it! You're just spreading yourself thin trying to be a Boltgun special sniper AND a born leader support build. Personally, I just split it into two builds. I have a Boltgun special sniper build and a full support Born Leader build, but if it works for you it work for you.

[tall torrent]

Oh u had unarmored

Unarmored does like

1 breakpoint for Boltgun (even that u can Hipfire 2 shot)

It’s not worth it

Maniac gives u flamer 1 bodyshot with exe stance + pinning fire stacks

I don’t get why you prefer counting on surgical crit 1 taps when u could build the gun to just 1 tap, period

[verbal burrow]

The teachings of Sir Kruber are that you have to be prepared to carry the team in melee whilst shouting, whilst also being able to whip out a high alpha strike weapon to dab on any form of special tho

I'm counting the gunner and shotgunner amongst those as they tend to make the psyker go away

[tall torrent]

Trust me, u carry harder with exe for Boltgun

It’s the one gun that genuinely deletes everything u can possibly encounter

[verbal burrow]

Problem is that exe stance entails giving up toughness shout, which is how I keep the potatoes alive

[shut orbit]

Killing every ranged enemy is a form of mitigation too

[tall torrent]

If they can’t fight without overtoughness fed to them, they don’t deserve to have overtoughness fed to them

[full nacelle]

True but you can do that better with the other special snipers. Boltgun takes a lot of investment to be good in comparison. I get it if you like the flavor though. I run a friggin autopistol build.

[verbal burrow]

They find creative ways to lose toughness

[tall torrent]

You’re building in a way that wants u to carry malice players in auric damnation
When you could & should be building to solo auric damnation

[tawdry jackal]

Making it work on a shout build routinely. It can carry with good burst control.

If there’s another shout build around, I swap to exe stance

[full nacelle]

You really shouldn't be using burst fire on the bolter anyway

[verbal burrow]

now that I can back

[tall torrent]

It works, it’s just far less effective than with exe stance

[tawdry jackal]

Oh I agree

[verbal burrow]

It really makes me sad when I see people do that

[tawdry jackal]

I just haven’t found another weapon I wanna main for shout that doesn’t send me back to the boltgun

[tawdry jackal]

Oh hell nah

[verbal burrow]

It even has a blessing that lets you crit 100% of your shots if you have fire discipline

[shut orbit]

Bolt pistol goes hard with shout

[full nacelle]

It makes me sad that I CAN'T do that! It feels so good.

[tawdry jackal]

Sometimes entire packs of specials and crushers need to die

[tall torrent]

Nah

[full nacelle]

Oh I agree! I just wish I could do it regularily

[tall torrent]

The 2-R burst is really good

[tawdry jackal]

A good mag dump will save your team and stabilize the situation

[verbal burrow]

it does but I save that for the bosses if they survive the combat stim + saltzpyre tag + damage shout + 2x krak

[full nacelle]

I'm talking more about mag dumping

[tall torrent]

Guaranteed rager one burst kill, and mauler one burst kill with exe stance up

It’s really good

Magdumping is also fine

12 shotgunner killfeed

[tawdry jackal]

Even mag dumping, you do it smartly by carefully but quickly burst firing

[full nacelle]

not if you're trying to use it as your main weapon in a build

[tawdry jackal]

Only if your FOV is saturated with hostile do you go rock and roll

[full nacelle]

I wish I could go full bombadier boltgun

[verbal burrow]

Well, when I go into AM I swap back to plasma gun, I just like the fact that when I fuck around, boltgun will actually shoot the moment I pull the trigger

[full nacelle]

but ammo and all that...

[tall torrent]

Boltgun veteran is basically Gunlugger ogryn but better

Unironically

[tawdry jackal]

Melee for hordes, shredders to generate space/thin out hordes

[tall torrent]

It’s really just that

[full nacelle]

Yeah very true. I love busting it out when I'm on a team of melees.

[tawdry jackal]

Boltgun for priority targets or as an oh shit button. Try to stop firing at 1 round but fuck it if you miscount it happens

[verbal burrow]

I am thinking about constructing a revolver with Surgical and Hand-Cannon tho

[full nacelle]

do it

you can never go wrong with that

[tawdry jackal]

Now this I gotta learn to do

Cause I want to be able to clutch finally if I gotta

[full nacelle]

Zarona or Agripinaa though? Choose your side wisely.

[verbal burrow]

Zarona

[austere mica]

Wrong

[full nacelle]

[vernal wharf]

i appreciate the advice, not gonna lie much useful. got to the end of the mission and got a bad spawn. will try tomorrow.

[full nacelle]

Ahh, you'll get it soon!

[tall torrent]

Play duo private with someone

It’s the fastest way to improve at the game

[deft crystal]

Have yall

[full nacelle]

yes

[deft crystal]

ever been trying to do something

then darktide

does that thing

[full nacelle]

yes

[fading yarrow]

Error: 2002

[deft crystal]

Noooo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1298117705995390976/Clip_-_10212024_75432_PM.mp4?ex=671865d2&is=67171452&hm=ca76f871c826a63dc96f703265df5b8a17f6dc12656a92dd4cdcd8d80a63cf36&

[fading yarrow]

Oh my Lord

[deft crystal]

Yea

Game director gave me the middle finger

[full nacelle]

skill issue tbh

[deft crystal]

REAL

[tawdry jackal]

The need for speed (in upgrading all my cools guns) tho…

[fading yarrow]

Imagine having an audio cue
Couldn't be the Pox Hound

[trim steppe]

You gotta push those doggies man

[deft crystal]

oh yea 100

my fault for dodging

[tall torrent]

Duo private is also the fastest at getting resources

[tawdry jackal]

Still I might do it once a week

Also damn, fair enough sold

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-pomeranian-gif-10186874

this was the gif that came up when I searched darktide hound

[tall torrent]

Duo private is like
20~25 minutes on avg if you’re spending time looting

Depending on map

Some maps are fast

[full nacelle]

I'm actually kind of sad. I'm all out of builds to make on Vet outside of min-maxing stats.

[tall torrent]

And some maps can have very high material payout

Even if I don’t bother looting much I’m still looking at ~800 plasteel and 250 diamantine per run

(Plasteel is worthless tho)

[trim steppe]

only once you're well and truly into the end game

[tall torrent]

I don’t think so tbh

If you’re not there yet, u spend way more dockets than plasteel for weapon mastery

And after full mastery, plasteel is basically never gonna run out

[golden compass]

Hey is the Devils claw any good?

[tall torrent]

Diamantine cost is much higher than its earning rate

[austere mica]

Yes

Really shitty adm’s though

[tall torrent]

~1k diamantine per max power gold weapon
3~4 runs for that much diamantine usually

[full nacelle]

Ehhhhhhh... I've spent a lot more on plasteel than dockets but that might be because 99% of my playtime was before this update

[tall torrent]

Yea, after the itemization patch, plasteel is basically worthless

U get way more than u need for crafting

[golden compass]

I keep running out but that's cause I get a weapon and then start upgrading it before I even know if it's worth it

[full nacelle]

I dunno I'm still plasteel gated

[tall torrent]

I’ve been crafting a bunch of stuff and my diamantine runs out before plasteel does

It was going at 30k+

Now it’s at 40k+

And it’s not going down

[somber axle]

Plasteel starts out as more important because you can spam buy weapons from Brunt's, upgrade to green and feed them to Hadron to max out mastery for low effort but once you max out mastery on everything diamantine starts to become the roadblock to getting perfect gold versions of the weapons you want

[misty delta]

40k mentioned :soyjakpoint:

[full nacelle]

one good run is like 1000 plasteel which is one good weapon... then you have to spend another 2k to empower it

[somber axle]

Idk the rate of leveling mastery by taking low tier mastery weapons into matches to fight with but the plasteel buffet for Hadron maxed them out really fast

[tall torrent]

One max power gold weapon is like 3k plasteel at most

[golden compass]

this worht it or nah? I imagine mobility too low?

[tall torrent]

Which is 2~3 missions

But diamantine comes in much slower

[austere mica]

Tf you mean mobility too low, it’s the dump stat

But yes, that will work fine

[golden compass]

oh I didn not know this

[rigid pilot]

Make totems give diamantine

[golden compass]

neat I got it off a random mission

[tall torrent]

That’d be great tbh

[austere mica]

Or skulls

Either one

[tall torrent]

Make heretic idols give diamantine and I’ll consider shooting them again

[rigid pilot]

Skulls is one time so 🤷‍♂️

[golden compass]

last ping, I assume all this is bad? outside of maybe Flak?

[austere mica]

Shred is good

[golden compass]

that's good news atleast

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac
Rampage + shred

[rigid pilot]

Plasteel is good for dumping jnto greys to max mastery

[austere mica]

It’s better than cleave for that thing because of crit adm’s

[rigid pilot]

So it's better for new players kinda

[tall torrent]

One weapon is 9~10k dockets
Upgrade to green is like 100 plasteel

[somber axle]

Make Daemonhosts give +100 diamantine per kill

[tall torrent]

You’ll simply run out of dockets before u run out of plasteel

[rigid pilot]

Welp

[austere mica]

Yet another reason to run dclaw

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’d be Boltgun + krak

Delete daemonhost in 5s

[austere mica]

One of these is free

[tall torrent]

Yea, killing from a distance minimizes corruption damage taken

[full nacelle]

Again, might just be because I was playing before the update but I have never run out of diamantine. I also don't min-max stats outside of the usual 80/60 splits though.

[tall torrent]

Versus tanking corruption with Dclaw melee for 40+s

[somber axle]

Krak + anything feels good vs Daemonhost tbh. With Grenadier, Krak and VoC you've got 4 back to back stagger stuns to trap a Daemonhost from fighting back. Perma stun Daemonhost so everyone can rip it apart. Bonus points if you have another Vet with Kraks too

[austere mica]

40+ seconds?

[verbal burrow]

kay rolled a designated marksman build and can now use the boltgun to two-shot Crushers and one-shot mutants

[tall torrent]

Go for a perfect roll plasma and watch your docket number take a nosedive

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty slow

[verbal burrow]

But I gotta say that I have serious concerns about the squish

[tall torrent]

Solo, anyway

Team kill, faster

[austere mica]

I do it often when I run it and it’s never 40 seconds

[verbal burrow]

I'll link it here and you can tell me what you think

[full nacelle]

Thank the Emprah I hate the plasma gun

[somber axle]

I had the same problem pre-update tbh because I'd often give up on weapons at blue or purple if they had 2 of bad perks and/or a bad blessing so my plasteel was going into the garbage at a higher rate

No plasteel but sitting on 10k diamantine

It flipped with Unlocked and Loaded

[fading yarrow]

What are ADMs?

[somber axle]

After I maxed out mastery on everything

[austere mica]

I haven’t bankrupted on diamantine yet

[austere mica]

Armor damage modifiers

[fading yarrow]

Gotcha

[austere mica]

Affect how Much of your damage you do to an armor type

[full nacelle]

Yeah that sounds about right... Still hard to believe we're living in a time where Darktide has a good crafting system

[somber axle]

Yeah and Recons are buffed into being good too

Feels like I am in a dream for all the good things Darktide has done lately LOL

[keen sedge]

blessings/perks for boltgun?

[full nacelle]

surgical/pinning fire... carapace and... flak(?)

I think it's flak... Could be wrong

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1298120827555942481/Screenshot_2024-10-21_230821.png?ex=671868bb&is=6717173b&hm=ba878451e958091c84475dc1fdfb19bf868950f8c8bdda5b6d18a43ec7a63e32&

[tall torrent]

Pinning fire + puncture
Flak + maniac

[verbal burrow]

How about this for an Exe Stance build then?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4dc128-223b-402c-b73d-cf5cbef6a9cd/designated-marksman

[tall torrent]

Wasted points again
I posted 2 builds above

[full nacelle]

Puncture? Really?

[tall torrent]

You don’t need 8 stack modifier for focus target

[tall torrent]

2 shot mauler
1 bodyshot kill breakpoint

[fading yarrow]

I know what armor type damage is, I just wasn't familiar with the abbreviated vernacular
Thanks anyway, though

[tall torrent]

Boss damage for Boltgun never really involves ADS for precision hits, it’s always magdump

I think puncture is higher value overall

[verbal burrow]

I guess you could consider that a wasted point if you don't want to stack them out of combat

[full nacelle]

I've always ran surgical as a boltgun sniper but I might have to give it a shot

[tall torrent]

No, it’s a wasted point, period

That 4.5% extra damage from redirect fire achieves basically nothing

[verbal burrow]

I don't see why my team would object to extra damage

But you're right in the sense that I will be tagging things so fast that it will never go over 5

[tall torrent]

Extra damage that doesn’t make you kill things meaningfully faster is pointless

Going from 1075 damage to 1120 damage changes no breakpoint on any enemy

[verbal burrow]

In fairness stacking all of these allows me to go far higher than 1120

[tall torrent]

Name a single breakpoint where u couldn’t reach without 8 stacks

If that nodes was smth like
Each stack of focus target is +6% damage taken instead of +4%, it’d be at least potentially worth it

[full nacelle]

plague ogryn

[verbal burrow]

Thing is that I can't really see how high the damage goes. The Mutant dropped in one hit and only displayed 4000

[tall torrent]

Exactly

So it’s just pointlessly more damage

Better spent on something else

[verbal burrow]

First thing I'm doing is replacing the top left with the top middle to become less squishy, and then I'll repeat the test and see what else I could dispense with

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need grenade tinkerer or 10% TDR in bottom left

I’m also not quite sure u refuse to go bottom right

[verbal burrow]

What, dipping into the Sly Marbo tree?

[tall torrent]

Yea, why not

[tawdry jackal]

Can confirm the bleed helps and stays up

[verbal burrow]

Well yeah, Bloodletter used to be loved on chainsword for a good reason too

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-let-him-cook-gif-11999534059191155013

[full nacelle]

I dunno. I'm trying it out now and I think I'd still rather take surgical for the crit. I don't need the one breakpoint it effects if I stop firing for .2 seconds and it gives me a good chance at getting better breakpoints on crushers.

[tall torrent]

It’s not 1 breakpoint

It’s 1 shot vs both gunners & both flamers

[verbal burrow]

@tall torrent The idea of life without Grenade Tinkerer and Demolition Stockpile scares me a little

[tawdry jackal]

There is no situation where a crusher was involved where I had time to ADS Tap fire them down

[tall torrent]

And surgical is still counting on crit RNG

[tall torrent]

What

[verbal burrow]

big boomers 😦

[tall torrent]

I didn’t tell u to drop demo stockpile

[tawdry jackal]

They were clear and present dangers that required me to go rock and roll, usually on an area target (groups of them).

[verbal burrow]

As a plasma main their existence was just met with a shrug and some LMB

[tawdry jackal]

Cavalcade used to be my favorite before puncture

[tawdry jackal]

Headshots required but yeah

Plasma doesn’t kill fast enough for me on massive targets

[full nacelle]

Uhhhh... Might something with my build then because I'm oneshotting them.

[verbal burrow]

In general everything charging at you in a narrow line becomes food

[tall torrent]

That’s too much of a chainsword problem for me to comprehend

[full nacelle]

Any time they're not directly in front of you

[tall torrent]

With pinning fire at max stacks yea

Puncture helps against distant targets

Also mauler 2 bodyshot

[shut orbit]

Anyone have tips for the Plasma Gun? I really like it but the boltgun seems like it's better 90% of the time

[tawdry jackal]

Teammates are who I’m thinking of in this case. Auric difficulty. Hordes on my ass, ragers all around.

[tall torrent]

Are u trying to get a perfect roll plasma

[tawdry jackal]

Anytime it’s crushers not in a rat pack I had time to go for head shots

Otherwise it was krak grenade time and rock and roll

[shut orbit]

Nah, just using random ones. Mostly not sure about masteries/blessings

[tall torrent]

I have it written in detail in my guide

[shut orbit]

i'll take a look, thanks

[full nacelle]

Still not sure I get it. With puncture I'm only getting an extra 30 damage from the bleed.

[terse tusk]

looking for a helbore, can i get away with stability being a dump stat

[shut orbit]

I only started playing recently, did Bring It Down! get replaced by The Bigger They Are?

Wait no i'm blind

Found it

[tall torrent]

Do u have redirect fire & tag active

[shut orbit]

What's the best way to look for a good roll on a weapon? Spam buying them from the Armoury? Requisitorium mystery RNG?

[stiff surge]

This is not right bro.

[full nacelle]

So I need full stacks of tag and redirect fire?

[stiff surge]

22 shots to disintegrate a crusher in one second, and I have 180 in a mag. What the hell.

[tall torrent]

5x redirect fire, 2x tag (sometimes needed)

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s kind of what 25% total rending does for recon

[stiff surge]

Who let FS cook like this

[golden compass]

any tips for doing the 'make every shot count' thing?

[tall torrent]

DB shotgun

[golden compass]

alright is there a good build for DB shotgun?

[stiff surge]

Dump is reload speed

[trim steppe]

a 350 green to a 500 orange is about 70k ordos, 3k plasteel, and 1400 diamantine. If you buy your weapon in the shop thats maybe 85k ordos. So 1-2 missions worth of ordos, 4ish missions worth of plasteel, and 5-6ish missions worth of diamantine. Assuming Damnation play.

So it seems like diamantine is the bottleneck from a fresh file

[tall torrent]

yea

[golden compass]

I mean't for talents

[trim steppe]

But also plasteel is still more of a bottleneck than ordos unless you have gambling problems

[stiff surge]

Basically all you need is the reload on swap from weapons specialist

[trim steppe]

God no don't do Mystery Melk's, its terrible. Melk's normal shot is very easy to get really really good rolls on now, but hard to get perfect rolls. For perfect rolls you can either spam ordos at Brunt's, or browse the hourly requisition shop for greens/blues. I'd recommend the later unless you really want a specific gun right effing now. Its way cheaper

[golden compass]

I feel stupid for not seeing it

[golden compass]

Ohhhh thank you

so make more melee build to stab people and just use the shotty until there's no ammo left

[full nacelle]

I'm going back and forth between a more consistent puncture build and my surgical crit build and really can't feel a difference tbh

[stiff surge]

Reload on swap was slightly vague considering the absolute baffo
onary that is the fucking wall of text description

[stiff surge]

Nah, hot swap it. Blast the shotgun into a crowd, switch to melee, get one kill, repeat

[trim steppe]

with Always Prepared, if you kill just 1 poxxie with melee and swap to the shotty, it'll have 1 round in it

[stiff surge]

Yeah it rounds up, so that 3.3% is actually just 1/2 rounds every time

[golden compass]

got it

[stiff surge]

Good luck, I was struggling with that penance, and this was how I got it

[golden compass]

so should I got infiltrate or voice of command

[verbal burrow]

You are going to hate me for this, but I did a dumb build that combines Tactical Reload with Volley Adept and now I reload Boltguns so fast that I can get a one-shot round on target before Executioner Stance runs out

[golden compass]

probably voice of command

[tall torrent]

What’s ur build

[stiff surge]

Preference, but you cant go wrong with VoC

VoC is better for frontlining, which is what this setup wants from you

[dry cloak]

good send it to me please

[verbal burrow]

This feels so wrong tho

[full nacelle]

on a boltgun, no way

[verbal burrow]

That's 55% reload speed if you count the minor node under Survivalist

[golden compass]

do grenades count towards accuracy?

[stiff surge]

No afaik

[stiff surge]

Do this basically

[golden compass]

not sure what to grab or if I did any good building

but got 3 points left over from that

[verbal burrow]

Mistakes were made but it is funny https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4dd18e-12bd-4b65-97bd-53ca0391af72/rapid-bolter-reload-meme

[full nacelle]

You can skip Charismatic and Born Leader. Exploit Weakness is mid and you're always better off grabbing the toughness node next to it.

Only in Death Does Duty End is also pretty bad in most cases

You want to spam Voice of Command with that kind of build

[verbal burrow]

can confirm, toughness shout better than rez shout

[golden compass]

should I go for Rending strikes and bring it down with this?

or maybe precision strikes?

[verbal burrow]

Especially given all the possible options you have to obtain toughness capacity, toughness resistance, toughness gain, the ability to shout toughness all around you is peak

[full nacelle]

Bring it down is a godlike node. Rending strikes I don't think is good for DB Shotgun. Precision Strikes is always good.

[tall torrent]

U gave up grenade regen

[full nacelle]

And you definitely want Iron Will

[golden compass]

maybe this?

or is iron will better since I'm shouting more toughness

[full nacelle]

Skip Inspiring Presence and grab Iron Will

Iron Will is one of vets best nodes if not the best. Inspiring Presence is terrible in every situation sadly.

Iron Will is what makes vets tankier than Ogryns

[golden compass]

also on recon lasgun build, Here you think I can get bring it down or not possible without losing something important?

I don't think I can but I dunno the game enough to make that a solid statement

[full nacelle]

Marksman

[dry cloak]

thanks

[full nacelle]

Marksman isn't doing much for a recon lasgun build

[golden compass]

oh also this a good shotgun?

[full nacelle]

Yup! Tis good

[golden compass]

woot time to grind my shotugn a bit to get those perks

Oh! and melee weapon you recommend for this?

for the shotgun build that is

[verbal burrow]

I don't think this is a good idea to try tbh but it's hella funny keeping Executioner Stance going whilst reloading in between each shot

I wonder what this meme does to the plasma reload

oh shit that's wild

[golden compass]

You know how when you open an oven and it goes Woosh out at you all at once? I imagine that

[verbal burrow]

That feels wrong

[full nacelle]

Personally I run it with Duelling Sword because I think it's really fun and the DB Shotgun makes up for its meh horde clear but it's really up to you

[verbal burrow]

Okay now that I have seen what Plasma gun looks like with +55% reload speed I think this mad experiment must be put to an end

[golden compass]

actually wait I got my devils claw I can run with it

the belssings and perks are kinda wrong but plenty of crowd control

[full nacelle]

just make sure you got plenty of krak grenades ready

for them carapace boys and bosses

[golden compass]

that's what the others are for

and by others I mean uhhh... my second knife!

[rigid schooner]

Being a DRG player primarily I had to double take on that

[verbal burrow]

Aight my calculus was wrong

This is actually +60% reload speed

and it scares me

[dry cloak]

i played a lot of bolter exe stance