veteran-class

[earnest bone]

forgetting that weakspot exist in any form

[rocky jacinth]

just give the consolefriends gyro ok

[untold mulch]

....how?

[somber adder]

Now do it without weapon customization

[iron marten]

No… you can’t take the sights away from me…

[slow spade]

Weapon Customization is like 90% Helbore users UwU

[pseudo fiber]

What the hell

[tame lodge]

Unyielding

It's peak on the mk4

Plus it seems like crits are being forced

[iron marten]

Nah not forced

Deadshot + %5 perk + %10percent crit for the first 20%ammo reload + surgical

[dire olive]

Probably the other way around

90% of helbore users

[dreamy ginkgo]

think it's possible to do the same with inf lasgun?

[slow spade]

true lol

[iron marten]

I’d say no

[tame lodge]

I'd be impressed
Truly

But you'll probably have to bend the rules of reality to do so

Or somehow dish out 16000 damage to a sedition DH

[tiny summit]

Rannick watching the psykanium very carefully

[uncut pebble]

You might get half the dh's hp off.

Might.

Helbore just has insanely high damage potential.

Ilas does not.

[tame lodge]

Heh get the fast iLas with Onslaught and break your mouse from spamming M1 against the dh

[untold mulch]

Damn

[iron marten]

The stat dump for my helbore was ammo, at 60%

[untold mulch]

If using Ilas I recommend just installing the full auto mod

[dreamy ginkgo]

now i'm curious about the damage breakdowns on the menu, inf lasgun had like 100 less than hellbore, is there something missing then

[tropic abyss]

how's the crit bonus on the helbore? isn't it like, 5% and only when ADS?

seems like it wouldn't benefit as much from shock trooper as the recon or the infantry

[tame lodge]

Probably the charged shot section

[tame lodge]

Surgical exists

[dreamy ginkgo]

that's what i've read, ilas had 660 while hellbore is 800 to me

but ilas has access to deadly accurate, which makes me curious

[tropic abyss]

fair

[buoyant knoll]

im not sure why people in damnation didnt prioritize saving teammate pounced by dogs or trapper

[dreamy ginkgo]

but as freakcast said, i only managed to bring it to half hp

[slow spade]

because fuck them :)

[tame lodge]

Surgical Shock Trooper and you basically stay ammo neutral
If any survivalist around then you go ammo positive

💀

[tropic abyss]

some people don't like hurting dogs

[dreamy ginkgo]

or oblivious

it's hard to pay attention when you hear "GRRRR BARK BARK UHH GET IT OFF"

[buoyant knoll]

not really, saving a net teammate took 1sec. And for dog you can save with range, 1 bullet to stagger the dog.

[hearty panther]

At auric level saving a full-on downed teammate who isn't shit means you're wading in way too deep for a revive.

You're not usually dying to one poxwalker. It's eight ragers four reapers and twelve gunners spread out. Nobody should even attempt that kind of revive.

Dogs are super trivial. Unnets can fuck you depending on your stamina.

[stoic thorn]

I hate the dogs

[thorn lark]

If I am netted and nobody can unnet me, it's on me.

[stoic thorn]

I be holding off the horde while my team kills the dogs and I still get dogged first

[lime sluice]

Quick question, is the weapon mastery keystone penance worth my sanity?

No joke this has to be one of the worst keystones in the game

[slow spade]

is that the Weapon Specialist penance>

or the Marksmen Focus one?

sadly idk the penance names :c

[lime sluice]

weapon specialist is the hot swapping keystone

[frank monolith]

Shout revive is enough if you stun the stuff attacking them, unless a flamer comes and starts flaming or bombers land then theyre dead

[frank monolith]

Ill fight tooth and nail to unet you but if i toughness sound effect break sorry i leave u 😂

[tame lodge]

Quite the opposite really

Now now
Some weapons are better suited for it

[hollow ibex]

MF?

[tame lodge]

Weapon Specialist

[frank monolith]

One of the best if used correctly

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah weapon spec is great

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist is objectively cracked

I hope it gets buffed ;)

[hollow ibex]

i run it all the time with my bolter

❤️

[slow spade]

+ranged attack speed bolter UwU

as the Emperor would have wanted

[dry cloak]

exe stance bolter is fun

[hollow ibex]

spends five years pulling out the gun

fires off entire mag in 2 seconds

[junior haven]

TBF they didn't say "efficient" they said "fun".

I like to run weapon spec with shotgun and plasma atm.

[dry cloak]

which shotgun

[umbral scaffold]

Weapon Specialist would be more fun if

nothing it’s super fun

[dry cloak]

but some still swear by braindead shout

[junior haven]

I was trying dragon breath yesterday. I don't think I like dragon breath. Too large a spread, too few shots before reloading. The slug shot felt nice with it tho.

Gonna try the scatter shot tonight.

[delicate arch]

which recon lasgun mark would you guys recommend taking into auric mael rn

[hollow ibex]

if you don't like the spread on dragonbreath, you're gonna hate the spreadshot lol

[dry cloak]

well for weapon spec dragons bread is the best because of the spread

[delicate arch]

im on the fence between XII and VIc

[hollow ibex]

xii or xiv

[junior haven]

Probably. Just gonna try it.

[junior haven]

how do you mean?

[lime sluice]

I personally like VIc the most.

[hollow ibex]

both special ammo are meant more for dealing with groups anyway, so the spread is intended

[delicate arch]

right now i got dumdum and infernus but im debating if infernus gives enough DoT to be worth it

[hollow ibex]

dragonbreath for mixed hordes, spread shot for pox trash

[delicate arch]

or if i should get like headtaker instead

[dry cloak]

horde clear, i use shotguns for horde clear

[lime sluice]

Slug for efficiency, dragonsbreath for the soul

[delicate arch]

what blessings do you run?

[junior haven]

I use psword with infinite cleave for horde clear. My gun is typically my specialist killer. So I think thats why I prefer slug shot.

[lime sluice]

Head and infernus 🙂

[dry cloak]

fair

[delicate arch]

fire damage go brrr

[junior haven]

I keep forgetting DB Shotgun exists for some reason. Will probably do DB after a few scatter shot runs.

[hollow ibex]

DB is good if you want a second melee weapon

[delicate arch]

is there a difference in piercing damage on any of the recon lasguns? Like 1 being able to pierce through a mauler or rager for example

[hollow ibex]

yes, but that gunner down the hallway? sorry that's going to take at least 3 shots

and don't even think about that bomber halfway across the map

[sleek garden]

manstopper, deadshot, marksmans focus with tunnel vision. make sure you have reload speed. Would take no respite as well, to clean up staggered enemies, or full bore for single targets like ragers

This is a silly build that kinda works aim for the head

I used this to great effect on rolling steel several times

[hollow ibex]

you mean cleave? the xiv is the only one with cleave.

[junior haven]

imma do a flechette build but I could see that working.

[hollow ibex]

unless they changed it, flechette only applies to the first enemy hit, which sucks

[delicate arch]

yeah cleave

i just dont like the fire rate on the mk IV

[hollow ibex]

well it hits harder, and can hit like two standard enemies at once

which makes up for it

single target dps isn't great though

[frank monolith]

Why not db with reload node on weapon spec

[junior haven]

I was. I don't like it for reasons posted further on.

[sleek garden]

Just be aware that it's the "weakest" and more mobile shotgun, it carries its range pretty far though on aimed buckshot

It's not going to one shot major targets without headshots or crits

I use it a lot

[junior haven]

That's true for most things. And with a flechette build you're kinda aiming for crits.

[sleek garden]

True but I can two shots ragers to the chest with mine when I set it up right, I've just been trying the silly build with it

Good luck

[junior haven]

[sleek garden]

I play with exy stance so it's funny to see a hallway of bright shooters and I load special and they all explode

[glacial mist]

can i have some opinions on what's the best braced auto gun atm?

i mean which variant

[dry cloak]

graia

[glacial mist]

k will take that for a spin

[hollow ibex]

Agri

More flexibility than the other options

[glacial mist]

😵‍💫

[lime sluice]

I want to apologize to the smoke grenade, I thought it was ass but that's because I wasn't playing vet on damnation

[glacial mist]

we have some opinions alright

gonna have to take each for a spin i guess

[hollow ibex]

agri does better on higher difficulties

you can snipe distant specialists with it

and much more cleave than the other options

graia needs to brace to reach max rpm, which i find awkward, it slows down your movement

[glacial mist]

so graia is like

a minigun

and agri is more like

[hollow ibex]

graia is fun for the brrrrt memes, but i don't think it's as good

[glacial mist]

an smg?

and vrak is just hard avoid?

[hollow ibex]

agri is more like a hipfired ak-47 lol

hard hitting, slower rpm

vraks is the awkward middle child that nobody likes

[glacial mist]

noted

[elder fiber]

Vrak is usably mediocre in a group of already mediocre guns

[hollow ibex]

more uptime technically, but the effective dps is pretty sad

[glacial mist]

what about the vigilant autogun?

anything noteworthy there?

[hollow ibex]

all the vigilants are good

[glacial mist]

kk

good to know

[hollow ibex]

but headshots mandatory

[glacial mist]

planning to max out them masteries

[hollow ibex]

bodyshots just tickle the target

braced doesn't care about headshots too much

[rigid schooner]

Doesn't vraks have the highest stagger rate?

Combined with highest mag and uptime

[buoyant knoll]

what the best blessing and mk for brace?

[hollow ibex]

I found the combination of poor spread and mediocre damage output to be unbearable but yea theoretically it has good uptime

[hollow ibex]

Hmm idr what blessings I run, just check the guide in the pins

[neon current]

deathspitter fire frenzy

ceaseless barrage, maybe

[hollow ibex]

Oh right braced doesn’t get dumdum for some reason lol

[tame lodge]

XIV has 3 cleave

[delicate arch]

which do you prefer personally for Auric missions?

[tame lodge]

With 3 stacks of Deathspitter you shoot through one scab bruisers

[tame lodge]

Gotta go with the XIV
Even though I don't really play recons

[delicate arch]

i see

im also still looking at the blessings

infernus looks really fun

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty bad sadly

And only viable on mk xii

[delicate arch]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-emoji-funny-gif-25240293

what would you recommend for the XIV then

[left patrol]

With no context this is quite silly

[delicate arch]

i'd argue the tox roastie can be a 3

[junior haven]

Totally everything in the bottom row is what they love the most. < 3

[terse idol]

Dateable tier list

[hollow ibex]

Generic dumdum deathspitter or headhunter

[delicate arch]

remind me what deathspitter does please 👀

[hollow ibex]

Strength on close range kill

[delicate arch]

aha

ill give the XIV a try i think

[tame lodge]

I would not date Trapper

[left patrol]

Why wouldnt u

[delicate arch]

i'd always date the scab flamer

[terse idol]

She's gonna get ya though

🥺

[left patrol]

U know she into some crazy shit

Would be epic

[delicate arch]

i still hear him say 'Wanna kiss me?'

[tame lodge]

Too much
Excited anxious breathing
For my taste

[left patrol]

Coward

[verbal burrow]

Mechanicus be like

[steady edge]

which variant of infantry and helbore lasgun is best?

[hearty panther]

infantries are w/e you wanna use

[split grove]

i'm addicted to recon lasgun

[hearty panther]

idk the numbers anymore but the small one is something closer to a semi-auto submachine gun as it were

helbores are use dependent, i also cant fucken remember their mark numbers

one is for sooper big targets and is slowest, hits hardest, has a shitty bayonet

one is right in the middle with a good bayonet

and one is faster, better and more efficient for clearing out shooters n stuff

[somber adder]

Vraks is best for infantry

[cloud leaf]

Just use las pistol is the best for everything

[hollow ibex]

Look forward to spending half your mag to kill a single crusher

[steady edge]

this is why I prefer eviscerator zealot

[tame lodge]

My honest Focus Target Helbore 4 reaction

[rigid schooner]

Stealth plasma charge shot

[runic axle]

How do weapons with a dump stat of 58-59 even work? Are they even better than the usual one because that means that other stats have like 80.5 or something in them?

[earnest bone]

Ignore it, it doesn't matter if it's 58 or 61, Fatshark will fix this bug later

[hearty panther]

It's a quirk of the system and the way it rounds numbers.

Has no actual impact.

[deft crystal]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iVqLoqPHaXbj6favu?invite=cr-MSxkeDIsMjI3MjA4Mzc2LA

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-punch-serious-gif-12250021

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/amirkhan-amir-kham-amir-khan-body-shot-boxing-amir-khan-body-shot-amir-khan-boxing-gif-24162467

[runic axle]

What a dogshit-ass fucking game. Had a streak of 4 Auri Maelstroms with no deaths

Get loaded into the fifth one that is on-going

I have 44 hp, everything else is corruption

And the first thing I see is ogryn pushing a burster into me which instantly kills me

[slow spade]

pray for the true Maelstrom experience

get your ASS the fast way

[deft crystal]

The people who cheese make it a dead title

Then u have to guess if they got it legit or not based off their gameplay

[regal smelt]

ignore titles, get truelevel mod. not an exact show of skill but shows literal experience gained

[slow spade]

to be fair, its a pretty fucking annoying tite

as a lot of deaths aren't really your fault

I like to think Tzeentch purposes fucks with barrels to ensure maximum lethality

[regal smelt]

the 15 in a row on malice was way worse back when dogs and bursters were a 50/50 roll on actually letting you push, and getting dogged or trapped counted as a down

[slow spade]

lol yeah that was a pain

it took me months to get it

granted I wasn't trying for it

[regal smelt]

it was a skill check hitting quit game before the burster approached

now you just alt f4 as your downed and youre fine

[slow spade]

as a Mk12 vet main back then, I just ran away

[regal smelt]

slab shielded and prayed. lost a 13 streak by the game spawning me next to a ledge, only a bot there to help, and a dog + burster who blew me off

tbf when the game can just do that I have no regrets cheating either penance

[slow spade]

same

I swear the funny Hazard portrait

it looks cool and its description fits me perfectly

that's me baby 😎

dies to crusher as VoC Vet

[hollow ibex]

That’s the frame I run

[hollow ibex]

Also me

[slow spade]

I REALLY need to learn to minimize risk

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-i'd-win-gif-7220010602787901432

[slow spade]

I died before because I tried to kill a reaper in melee

but apparently my axe didn't stagger on 2 overhead Heavies :c

god I miss my power sword

[hollow ibex]

Sometimes it’s fun to engage in a brawl to the death against someone twice your size

[slow spade]

literally everything the rashad does, my power sword did better

[hollow ibex]

That’s correct

If it were the other way around

[tall torrent]

u didn't hit weakspot

too bad

[slow spade]

after using both

I'd happily ditch rashad for an unbugged power sword

but not being able to trust how many charged swings I have makes me sad :c

[tall torrent]

imagine if they just keep it like this as an intended feature

[pseudo fiber]

Next patch

Come on gang

[deft crystal]

Me a revife vet

[slow spade]

I'll kill myself

I'm a power sword main

even if I use Rashad now

[deft crystal]

Yall are sleeping on the best melee weapon for vet

Assault chainsword

The seceret meta

[hollow ibex]

Assault chainsword is peak

Peak mid

[deft crystal]

U mf

Let me convert them!

[hollow ibex]

I will say

That chainsword is the second best chain weapon for vet

[deft crystal]

I will murder u

[hollow ibex]

You wouldn’t have enough dps because you’re using chain sword

[tall torrent]

[deft crystal]

Silence!

Let me show them the light

[tall torrent]

[hearty panther]

man

was gonna order pizza

but they changed their system to only accept payment online upfront, and that also means you have to tip upfront

and here i am salting like a mfer cause thats legit a dealbreaker for me

i dont fucken tip until i have the goods in hand, end of conversation

now wtf am i gonna eat cause i had pizza on my mind all goddamn day

[hollow ibex]

Based

Stand by your principles and starve

[hearty panther]

ill feast on my PRIDE

oof owie my tummy

ugh this means i have to get dressed again

... one more sifu run first

[supple stag]

Did I hear someone say Chainsword?

It is pretty

Pretty mid

[full nacelle]

frozen pizza

[slow spade]

just steal it?

[supple stag]

That's a very hive ganger behavior

[tame lodge]

Bartering life hacks

[shadow dagger]

okay but like

vrrrrrrr

[supple stag]

Chainaxe does wrrrrrr too, but actually kills bigger things

And it's horde clear is uhh, tolerable

[somber axle]

Chainsword is peak because who plays a sci-fi horror fantasy like Darktide in the universe of 40k to use an axe or knife

DPS? TTK? We're out here maximizing fun and the shredder special into a bulwark face is music to clown ears

[digital cargo]

Rashad gets points for having a fuck-off large head

[somber axle]

no matter how effective Rashad is, it's still an axe

just like how no matter how effective Zarona Revolver is, it's still just a revolver

it's like picking human in a game full of fantasy races

the wonderbread option

[supple stag]

Because that's what you do in such game

[somber axle]

wdym I'm a cat in FF14 and an Elf in WoW

I never go human if I can help it LOL

[full nacelle]

I think axes and revolvers are cool

[supple stag]

Ah yes a fantasy setting with bazillion races and classes, let's make another human knight with a longsword

Time to game

[spice wadi]

i would never pick elves in wow

laughs nervously

[shadow dagger]

slandering human and choosing elf is devious work

like calling tomboys a kink

[full nacelle]

vets are just the humans of the Darktide classes

Ogryn master race

[somber axle]

it's just kinda weird to think about because like in a game with weapons like Plasma, Boltgun, Lasguns, Power Swords, Chain weapons, etc. that all have crazy lore and special effects

to pick the basic stuff

[spice wadi]

imagine the heretic reports though

'how did the plague ogryn die?'

'what do you mean a revolver'

[full nacelle]

I'm a basic bitch... I don't care for the Plasma or Chain weapons

[hearty panther]

filleted by a butterfly knife, you say?

[somber axle]

I was Elf from the moment a friend dragged me to his computer to show me Warcraft 3 and let me play Night Elf

invisible murder elves that pop out of the shadows are SO COOL

[hearty panther]

to shreds, you say?

night elves were super cool

then you meet illidan and its like

ah man, now we're naruto cringe

[spice wadi]

this is when you were condemned to pick stealth as well huh

[somber axle]

idk some people like to add some flavour to their games and some people really like the toast sandwich

[full nacelle]

anyone else getting weird screen flickering when tabbed into the game?

[somber axle]

honestly yeah LOL

I don't play WoW anymore but popping out of Shadowmeld in BGs to rip someone apart before going back to being hidden was so fun

[earnest bone]

Female Human Rogue in WoW (since 2008) and Male Human(Hyur) in FF XIV since 2014

[earnest bone]

[full nacelle]

this guy humans

[somber axle]

I played a Sylvari in GW2 and they're probably the most unique race concept I've seen in all the games I've played but wow I couldn't stick with GW2

[spice wadi]

GW2 was very not a game that was enthusiastic about maining it as an mmo

[somber axle]

I just hit burnout really fast. Trying to go completionist at the game and maxing out everything in a zone was a nightmare

[earnest bone]

I was playing WoW and after that FF XIV so i kinda skipped GW2 despite all the praise

[spice wadi]

there was a little bit too much of filling bars for me

[earnest bone]

and now it feels way too dated

[spice wadi]

and then absolutely insane crafting amounts

[somber axle]

It definitely feels too dated yeah

[silver oak]

anyone know if the infantry autogun is relible on higher difficulties?

[hearty panther]

yea GW2 when it came out was fantasti

now its ... uhhh ..
Somehow worse than GW1? Lmao

Still, I had a lot of fun.

[somber axle]

I've bounced around to try way too many MMOs. TERA was the only one I picked up and hated the combat system immediately. SWTOR was fun but wow I hated what they did with the story beyond the base game. But the base game class stories are probably some of the most fun MMO stories ever

[shadow dagger]

most if not all guns are usable at higher difficulties

[spice wadi]

they ran into a wall really hard with having to maintain like

12 A list voice actors in the budget

imo

[earnest bone]

@somber axleas for human choice, well i'm a 8+ years MACHINIST main, so anything besides human looks like shit animation and aesthethic wise. Day1 after it was released in Heavensward.

[silver oak]

with enemies getting more health i would assume the infantry autogun would struggle with damage and ammo

[somber axle]

Yeah and then they just started killing off a lot of the companions and even if you could save them they were effectively written out of the story going forward

[hearty panther]

GW2 is the only MMO I've played where the actual gameplay of fighting didn't immediately bore me out of my mind. Also was a big fan of their radiant questlines on maps. Big memories there.

[shadow dagger]

not really

health doesn't scale bullshit high like other games with steeper leveling and difficulty systems

[spice wadi]

darktide doesnt really scale hp

it scales target count

[hearty panther]

it scales HP lol

[somber axle]

I bought Shadowbringers when I first started FF14 after quitting WoW during Shadowlands just to try Viera and felt awkward in their starter gear in Gridania so I rerolled Miqo'te and never went back. I fell way too in love with my character design even if they're sorta just human with cat ears, pointy teeth and a fluffy tail

[grave hawk]

what blessings/perks we like on boltgun

[hearty panther]

target count is also ostensibly just hp scaling by another means

[spice wadi]

reading comprehension mf

[somber axle]

Engineer was REALLY fun but wow it was too big brained for me. That class has such a massive amount of depth, it's insane

[silver oak]

i think enemies get a slight increase in health from looking at photos

[shadow dagger]

vet guide in the pinned messages

[spice wadi]

we're saying it doesnt make the infantry auto bad

[shadow dagger]

not enough to make lower damage higher firerate weapons irrelevant

[earnest bone]

I have a friend that played GW2 a lot till he crafted that Rainbow Pony shooting legendary bow, after he crafted that he was satisfied and quit the game, it was many years ago

[hearty panther]

i get that but the hp difference between just malice and damnation is like 75%

[somber axle]

Pinning Fire, Surgical for DMR style gameplay
Cavalcade is a good option for magdumping bosses
Shattering Impact helps vs Crusher breakpoints with needing one less shot per Crusher
I usually run Carapace + Unyielding on mine with Pinning Fire + Surgical

[hearty panther]

its not 10,000% hp The Division nonsense

but we do scale hp

[shadow dagger]

the worst thing would probably be like, recon lasgun if you only hit bodyshots or something

[hearty panther]

mostly it just incentivizes headshots more yea

[silver oak]

I been mostly rolling with the infantry auto gun Columnus it seems like a good weapon for overall performance, I was using the helborn, the helborn is fun to use but I think its not good against elites and specials who are in close quarters

[hearty panther]

I was a filthy thief. And mesmer.

[hearty panther]

i have no idea what that is lmao

[earnest bone]

yeah, its something from

2014 i think

i was in his house and watched the animations for that

it looked pretty stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDaGGjNhXZI

i think this is the one

[somber axle]

Thief looked really fun but double pistol felt awkward for solo leveling and I really wanted to use the pistols. Then I regretted not making a Thief when they released that sniper class Deadeye. I always wanted to try it but it feels like you get access to it so late and couldn't really commit to GW2 with the other games I was/am playing

[grave hawk]

what stats do we want a t 80 for boltgun

[somber axle]

80% all stats except Mobility

[earnest bone]

@somber axleFF XIV legendary farming is PTSD, i have fully completed legendaries from Heavensward and Stormblood done in actual release frame

[somber axle]

Collateral has some niche breakpoints that you hit at like 77%+ collateral for stagger iirc

[spice wadi]

wasnt deadeye not until like expansion number 3/4

i remember heart of thorns having the STICK

[hearty panther]

thief had a shitload of dodge mechanics, so that's what drew me to it

[shadow dagger]

did you read the guide

[somber axle]

I've heard horror stories of how FF14 was in the early days so that sounds extra insane

[earnest bone]

yeah

[grave hawk]

what guide

[earnest bone]

the grind was real

[hearty panther]

lots of memories of clutching dungeon raids by cloaking to revive and cycling my dodges perfectly

[shadow dagger]

in the pinned messages

[somber axle]

I have no idea. I've heard that the xpacs are where it gets REALLY, REALLY GOOD but couldn't ever make it that far

[spice wadi]

path of fire iirc was good but it's also years ago now

[shadow dagger]

it has hyperlinks to weapons and such

[spice wadi]

i think there's been another two or thre since then

[grave hawk]

read the brief characteristics

[somber axle]

click pins in this channel and follow the link in the top pinned comment for Vet channel

[hearty panther]

something something thorns is when I stopped playing

[earnest bone]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[somber axle]

if it doesn't load at first or asks for a log in just close and reopen the link

it should open properly

the link is weirdly finnicky and temperamental sometimes

you must appease the machine spirit

[spice wadi]

1st expac and same rly

i played like 3 hours of path of fire but couldnt get back into it

[hearty panther]

truth is i hate MMOs

[earnest bone]

Lost Ark was really amazing and the worst of them at the same time

the quality of gameplay and PvP was great, but the korean grind is at it's worst

6+ characters or swipe that golden black credit card

no alternative pretty much

[hearty panther]

yea most put way too much emphasis on group play and/or the combat sucks ass

[earnest bone]

i was mentally exhausted (in the worst way) after 1k+ hours

[hearty panther]

i just wanna hop on and do shit, not fucken coordinate a jamboree with fifty people to access trivial content

[earnest bone]

and it seems im not alone

well anyway i think amazon will close the game sooner or later

23k online NA+EU combined is huge garbage

also from this i bet like 10-12k are bots

[hearty panther]

oh it is the amazon game

[full nacelle]

Yeah I was enjoying Lost Ark then my buddy told me about the end-game korean MMO grind and I uninstalled instantly

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[full nacelle]

Throne and Liberty is treating me good so far but there's a real lack of PvE content right now

[grave hawk]

is there a subsitute gun for plamsa gun? i tend not to like the weapon

[earnest bone]

be aware that this is Lineage III

so it could turn out the same or worse than Lost Ark

[hearty panther]

substitute in what role

[earnest bone]

i have around 5000+ hours in original Lineage II back from like

[full nacelle]

Oh yeah tons. I hate the plasma and have like 15 other builds that don't use it. You using it for special sniping?

[grave hawk]

something that feels similar

[earnest bone]

2006-2008

[grave hawk]

pretty much

[earnest bone]

then i switched to WoW

[hearty panther]

no other gun is like the plasma gun tbh

[spice wadi]

the beach ball launcher

[shadow dagger]

any gun that doesn't start sputtering at medium range is fine at special sniping

[full nacelle]

Yeah if you want a good special sniper both revolvers work great. Columnus is an overpowered beast. Laspistol is very spicy. The boltgun can do it as well. Closest thing to the plasma though would be the Zarona revolver because it can also handle the big carapace boys.

Oh and the single shot vigilant autogun though personally I just don't find it very fun/good.

[grave hawk]

i was using bolt pistol but didnt seem to have enough ammo lol. ill try those and see which i enjoy

laspistol was fire

[shadow dagger]

you gotta be pretty irresponsible with ammo to run out of boltpistol

[grave hawk]

i was only one killing specials

so idk man

[shadow dagger]

even moreso than plasma

[tall torrent]

Revolver / Boltgun

[full nacelle]

Yeah the boltpistol is more of a tool than your main weapon. I run it with a grenadier build which is very fun. Gives you massive horde clear and you can special snipe while everything is exploding.

[hearty panther]

bistol is very easy to expend the ammo of

[grave hawk]

and i meant more of consistantly reloading

than always being out of ammo

the reload on that thing feels atrocious

which is why i didnt like plamsa

plasma

[tall torrent]

Nah it does run out decently fast

[hearty panther]

oh well we have a neat trick for u

[shadow dagger]

only reason that should realistically be happening is because you want to see the reload from empty more

[hearty panther]

its called reload cancel

[tall torrent]

Plasma doesn’t need to reload most of the time and u can reload cancel with sprint

[hearty panther]

you can shave plasma reload time down to 5s roughly

[full nacelle]

Ah yeah that is a pain... I run it with infiltrate and frags so I usually have an easy out if I'm reloading

[grave hawk]

i was always letting plasma cool down

[shadow dagger]

though ig I might just be a vt2 player at heart and never use ranged weapons unless I have to

[hearty panther]

oh just vent it. Or keep left clicking

[grave hawk]

wait

[hearty panther]

venting is pretty much free

[grave hawk]

theres a vent?

[tall torrent]

You can vent heat manually if that’s what ur missing

Yea

[full nacelle]

oh yeah

[hearty panther]

special key

[tall torrent]

Weapon special

[grave hawk]

........

[full nacelle]

if you're not using plasma with vent that would be a huge problem lol

[hearty panther]

ye

[grave hawk]

that explains

alot

[hearty panther]

i mean most dont. They just left click forever lol

[shadow dagger]

there's so much downtime and so many opportunities for downtime that reloading plasma never seemed like an issue for me

no reload boosts or nothing

[grave hawk]

either way. ill try the other weapons and see if i like them or now

[shadow dagger]

you get like, 45? left clicks with that thing? if you can't last 2 waves without reloading then you're either getting cooked by difficulty+director or you're just shooting it at anything that moves

[grave hawk]

probably both

[tall torrent]

Plasma is pretty much exclusively an anti-elite & anti-special gun

[shadow dagger]

I can never find a reason to right click it either

[grave hawk]

thats what i noticed

is there a melee people tend to use most other than chainsword?

[full nacelle]

the right click is exclusively for feeling cool as a finishing blow to a boss

[shadow dagger]

every time I think there's a good opportunity in like crusher pack or something, someone drops two grenades and I've already left clicked one onto the ground

so no huge headshot lineups

[hearty panther]

you cant cleave crushers anyway

or carapace of any kind

[shadow dagger]

and everything on its ass can just get meleed to death anyways

not even with right click? damn

[hearty panther]

the one use case for right click is a conga line of maulers, you fire it through their bodies

only matters if there's more than three in a nice row for you

[shadow dagger]

how much mass does mauler body have

[hearty panther]

10

[tall torrent]

No, carapace just blocks cleave

[shadow dagger]

I would think that's still reasonably low to justify just left clicking anyways

but I suppose it would be a matter of damage and saving total ammo

[tall torrent]

Right click has one use case, if you somehow get more than 5 mauler/scab rager lined up perfectly

[hearty panther]

yes but if youre gonna left click maulers you'd just go for the head

[shadow dagger]

oh damn

[tall torrent]

You can kill them all in 1 shot

But that’s it

[shadow dagger]

that one bugged spot in vigil station

[tall torrent]

Also they nerfed plasma again in U&L update

[full nacelle]

did they?

[tall torrent]

Before the update plasma used to still be able to epenetrate bulwark shield to deal damage

[hearty panther]

yea, slight nerf

[shadow dagger]

where like 20 elites get stuck in the door

[tall torrent]

Now if u shoot at bulwark shield you’ll just get a “click”

It’ll get blocked by shield

No more shooting through bulwark to hit trappers behind them

[full nacelle]

oh that's good... that was always stupid even though I hate bulwarks

[grave hawk]

how do yall sc the entire talent tree

and wait

[full nacelle]

mods or use the darktide build website

[grave hawk]

im not grey anymore

[shadow dagger]

long monitor

[hearty panther]

turn ur screen sideways

[full nacelle]

^

[grave hawk]

truee

[full nacelle]

does it matter if ammo is the dump stat on my infantry lasgun?

I'm running shock trooper

[grave hawk]

this look good?

[full nacelle]

for what kind of build? also longshot is really bad 😦

[tall torrent]

No

[hearty panther]

longshot is deceptively bad yea

[grave hawk]

o

[hearty panther]

only begins to give you damage at 12.5m, going up til 40m

[full nacelle]

it's not bad but you could definitely make it better

[tall torrent]

Modify based on ur needs

[hearty panther]

which is like, maybe 20% of your engagements if that

[tall torrent]

It matters for snipers and most things kill sniper in 1~2 shots and Longshot doesn’t change that

[hearty panther]

yea its just

[tall torrent]

It’s generally rare that u have to engage gunners at >30m

[hearty panther]

not got any real use cases

its super fringe

[tall torrent]

And gunners at >30m don’t even shoot straight

[hearty panther]

its also pretty awkward to be like

"ah hold on! i can one-tap this guy if i just start running backwards for 15m"

anoint in blood reigns supreme

[full nacelle]

I keep getting mixed messages on this. Does "Toughness Replenishment" from Tunnel Vision only affect coherency?

[hearty panther]

it affects all toughness

[full nacelle]

Ok thank you

[hearty panther]

Toughness Regeneration = Coherency
Toughness Replenishment = All toughness

[tall torrent]

All toughness (except certain blessings, somehow)

[hearty panther]

oh and yea some edge cases

[tall torrent]

Don’t ask me why

[full nacelle]

That's what I thought but I keep getting told otherwise

Preciate it guys

[tall torrent]

Just don’t use in-game terminology

Because it’s confusing

[grave hawk]

ill try your build first. then ill adjust as needed

[hearty panther]

thats why i wrote my guide in wingdings

[tiny summit]

Dont mess with Darktide players, most dont know mechanics

[tall torrent]

I specify it as “regen” (coherency) and “gain” (other)

[full nacelle]

Yeah they need a damn glossary for this game

[hearty panther]

now try understanding finesse

[tall torrent]

That’s ez

Try understanding damage stacking

[hearty panther]

its a mess, man

makes things like the calculator pretty worthless

but you can at least get a ballpark

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Damage
Strength
Finesse bonus
Armor damage modifier
Rending
Brittleness
Damage taken modifiers
Enemies’ innate damage modifiers

[hearty panther]

forearms are the most powerful armor in the 40K universe

[tall torrent]

Forearm vs plasma gun

Forearm wins

[shadow dagger]

wait there's a stim overview in the guide right

[tall torrent]

In mine? No

Kuli just very recently published his

[full nacelle]

finesse is headshot/critical hit headshot damage... r-right?

[shadow dagger]

I've been relying purely on vibes to remember what they do and I feel like I should probably change that

[tall torrent]

I’m not sure if I wanna include it in mine

[tall torrent]

Honestly the order goes like this for me

[shadow dagger]

gameslantern mentions it right

[tall torrent]

Immediate dps boost = blue
Spam ability = yellow
Fight crushers - red
Hoard it just in case - green

[tame lodge]

Bro didn't skip forearm day

[pliant kayak]

Where should the last point go?

[tall torrent]

What weapons

[pliant kayak]

Chain Axe / Las pistol

[tall torrent]

Probably weapon specialist

[pliant kayak]

Thank you

[hearty panther]

i dont horde green stims

i basically carry it then use it on whoever/myself once i run into a real stim

[shadow dagger]

is bring it down actually like

valuable breakpoint wise

for most weapons

[hearty panther]

the answer is always depends

but yes its pretty big

bring it down + superiority complex = 35% damage to ogryns

[shadow dagger]

i always just sorta

[tall torrent]

Depends

[hollow ibex]

Red is also an immediate dps boost no? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Rashad, yes

[shadow dagger]

sigh and mentally prepare to dump 6 boltgun rounds into a crusher because im not gonna hit headshots in hipfire into a pack anyways

[tall torrent]

If it doesn’t change my breakpoints, I don’t give a shit

(Rashad + plasma)

[hollow ibex]

True

[hearty panther]

red is pretty goated on psyker

[tall torrent]

I already have my breakpoints enabled, I don’t rly care for red stim

[hearty panther]

otherwise the best thing it does for you is 30% rending, which is either worthless or "okay"

[tall torrent]

Blue does more for me

[hollow ibex]

I mainly pop red when I see a boss. And my three krak balls are easy to go

[shadow dagger]

wait whats that buff indicator that shows up when you take a medstim

[tall torrent]

Blue also instantly regens all stamina

[hollow ibex]

That’s a good point

[tall torrent]

Peak

[shadow dagger]

is there like a cooldown to the corruption curing thing or what

[hollow ibex]

Ok that’s pretty awesome

[hearty panther]

oh no its uh

[hollow ibex]

Been underestimating blues

[hearty panther]

green stim will heal an entire wound of hp

but if you use it and didnt have that much hp missing

it will trickle that amount back onto your hp if you take damage

during that buff window

its almost never relevant, but there it is

[tall torrent]

[shadow dagger]

oh thats

thats neat

[hollow ibex]

For me, green>blue>red>>>yellow

[hearty panther]

blue >>>>>> red > yellow >>>>>>>> green

[tall torrent]

Yellow is 4 VoC spams back to back to back

“Try dying”

[hollow ibex]

Ngl can’t imagine a time I’ll need that though

[hearty panther]

-gets ledged-

[hollow ibex]

It’s funny but idk how actually useful that is in most circumstances

[hearty panther]

its mostly hysterical overkill

[hollow ibex]

I like green for insurance against teammates

[shadow dagger]

vent purge consignment yard right before final event dropdown when snipers are so goddamn far away that you cant even ping or shoot them but they can see and shoot you

[hearty panther]

but also if you genuinely needed four shouts in 30s to survive ... uhhhhhhhh

[shadow dagger]

:clueless:

i know i can dodge but like fuck that

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-cat-lasers-dance-towel-gif-18956182

[shadow dagger]

im eating those hits on principle

[hollow ibex]

Me dodging lasers in that event

[hearty panther]

i carry em until i find a new stim, then i either toss it into a friendly's inventory or stick whoever is lowest on hp

[shadow dagger]

like exe stance highlights them too

but i cant fucking shoot them

[hollow ibex]

I prefer to keep them around so I can pretend I’m wanking when we get in the elevator

[hearty panther]

they're just funny cause like

the best use case of a green stim is immediately after reviving somebody

they have their toughness back, they definitely have a fresh wound, its an immediately bounce back

but if youre alone/clutching, they're kinda shit

if you started off the clutch low hp then it can give you peace of mind

but its not unusual at high level play to clutch while taking zero to maybe tens of damage

and if you're lucky enough to get pounded and still find a breather to green stim, you probably still dont have any toughness, which is what's really killing you

and green stim doesnt give you any toughness

[hollow ibex]

Been in that situation before

[shadow dagger]

ironically ive been in a situation where i got downed, ressed, popped my green stim

and almost immediately heard two more stims go off

mf

2 teammates green stimmed me at the exact same time

i know we wanna be helpful but like

damn

[hearty panther]

i once sprinted over to help a revive and green stick the guy that was down just to green stick the dude reviving him instead

thats just how it is

and then the other guy died lmao

[tame lodge]

Digital Mosh Pit

[hearty panther]

THATS JUST HOW IT IS ;_;

[shadow dagger]

i shouldve done this during the book event

fuck

[tall torrent]

Fight 2 chaos spawns at the same time

[hollow ibex]

Pop red, toss kraks

[hearty panther]

also yea lets be real, you dont just have one stim if you're clutching

you're scooping stims off everybody's corpses and putting ALL the drugs into you

[tame lodge]

Real

[pastel zealot]

@orchid hemlock which mark for shock maul you use?

[orchid hemlock]

3

[pastel zealot]

tym

[orchid hemlock]

either is fine tho

[pastel zealot]

can you send me your updated build again?

i forgot to save it

_<

[orchid hemlock]

which one?

[pastel zealot]

laser pointer

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[pastel zealot]

dont use shock maul anymore?

[orchid hemlock]

i mean its fine, but for builds I like to be optimal

PS is still prob the best low investment melee Vets can use

[clear lantern]

shock maul has saved my damnation train runs with how much shield damage the special attack does

[wet ether]

Question with my current build would the combat knife be effective?

[clear lantern]

are we gonna watch the build in real-time

[orchid hemlock]

ig I would do something like this:

reciprocity is required on knife

stamina regen is debatable but it is nice to have on knife

I would also put crit rate on recon, not maniac

[frank monolith]

Only needed on mk6

[orchid hemlock]

not having rending is kinda painful on recon tho, and recon isn't the best weapon to use with Agile engagement

oh wait I forgot, u dont need this:

there u go now u get everything

or u can get rid of stamina and take SC or BID

or u can get rid of DT and Stamina to take stockpile

but im not sure if Stock is worth 2 points for, especially with smokes

[grave hawk]

so far bolt gun feels best, is it a bad idea to trade one of the perks for reload speed

[hearty panther]

yes

[wet ether]

thanks I’ll have to make some minor adjustments to that build

[shadow dagger]

do i even need redirect fire here

other than fringe cases like 1hs dreg gunner without focus target

i suppose that isnt really fringe but boltgun ammo economy isnt nearly bad enough to really need to care

[wet ether]

@orchid hemlock as always buddy thank you

[midnight totem]

Bolt gun is in a great spot

[slow spade]

bolt gun needs a buff

backpack fed pls

[shadow dagger]

comically long boltgun mag when

[slow spade]

15 rounds -> 150 rounds

[shadow dagger]

micspammer

fun

[slow spade]

yeah bots are loud

I wish they were quieter :c

they keep screaming about "vacuum tubes"

[shadow dagger]

no this guys playing music

[slow spade]

I know was joking :p

[slow spade]

I think some players have mind wiped themselves into thinking pushing doesn't exist

[verbal burrow]

I'd like to bring in my ironbreaker from Vermintide 2 to prove them wrong

[timid wolf]

Headhunter vs infernus for my second recon lasgun blessing?

[verbal burrow]

A subject upon which opinions are divided

Some people enjoy stacking burns on bosses, others consider that far too situational and like combining DumDum with another close range pew pew

[slow spade]

You can't go wrong with Headtaker

[verbal burrow]

Personally I'm doing Infernus and DumDum because I do enjoy stacking bosses with Brittleness and Burning

[slow spade]

But if you're taking Infernus, take Headtaker

Or Infernus is useless

[slow spade]

But Infernus needs crits...

[verbal burrow]

The knowledge that I can do the above, is also why I dare to use my Recon Las without Krak

[wet ether]

Hold up let the man cook

[slow spade]

If you're going to make your gun shit

Might as well go all in

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[verbal burrow]

But DumDum is really nice for close range engagements

[slow spade]

Infernus with the base 5% crit chance 💪

[verbal burrow]

No one said you have to be base 5% crit chance, but with 16 rounds per second it shouldn't take that long to proc mathematically

Guarantees you an application roughly every 2

[wet ether]

Please do tell me more

[verbal burrow]

No, Heraclius wants to play SM2

[slow spade]

"an application"

:c

I'll never understand

[verbal burrow]

dictionary will help

[slow spade]

take the crit reliant blessing

don't take crit blessing

mind boggling

[tall torrent]

Yes

U can drop shooter highlight & team share highlight

Boltgun doesn’t rly need them

[hearty panther]

teamshare highlight is mandatory

your team has to know how long u keep ur xstance up for

they will be intimidated by the length and girth of ur stance

[tall torrent]

The team highlight only lasts 5s irrespective of ur exe stance uptime iirc

[hearty panther]

honestly?

im never gonna know LOL

i dont actually use it

but xstance is so good now, ive had some 2+ minute stances pretty regularly

if it actually did the team share for that long it'd be hella impressive

[verbal burrow]

That is the dream

[shadow dagger]

every time i have an exe vet in the squad i wish they had teamshare

i feel obligated to grab it

[tall torrent]

It’s only 5s, just checked

[hearty panther]

booooooo

BOOOOOO

[wet ether]

hold up you want me to get rid of demo stockpile?

[hearty panther]

let me flex my stance on the team ,fatshark!

[wet ether]

ok thats where i draw the line

[sleek garden]

Take dumdum so you can blow heads off all the stupid shooters

Infernus I never really understood the benefit

But it's fun to set people on fire randomly sometimes

[umbral parrot]

Stockpile for smoke nades?

[wet ether]

yeah i do enjoy having smoke nades on demand incase i need to block LOS for gunners

combat shotgun

[umbral parrot]

I just feel like it's an overkill on smoke nades. You're more than likely going to get just as much as Stockpile if you're doing Marlstrom

[tall torrent]

Nah, demo team is like ~15 on avg across a mission

[wet ether]

would that work on my build?

[umbral parrot]

I need to count down how much nades I can get. So about half as much if matches are 30 min

[tall torrent]

The thing is

You usually only drop smokes for specific situations

So a lot of demo team procs are just wasted because u had full smokes

[wet ether]

i'm constantly using smokes incase i spot a shooter

[lime sluice]

if I equip this does it just break my legs

[umbral parrot]

Smokes are sooooo good with Power Sword. Save your dodges for melee dodges instead.

[umbral parrot]

Do tell by the way

[wet ether]

the combat shotgun that works well with my current build correct?

[umbral parrot]

Don't need Stormtrooper. Could go for Superiority instead.

[full nacelle]

I wish smokes were better

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[umbral parrot]

They just need to be 20 seconds instead of 15

It's amazing for melee builds

[hearty panther]

if you do take grenade regen then you better be tossing a smoke at basically every gunner pack you run across

tbh tho i use maybe five or six in an entire round

it just doesnt really come up that often

[wet ether]

i do actually

[full nacelle]

they're situational at best and actively blind your team

[umbral parrot]

Screw your team

[full nacelle]

just not nearly as good as they should be

[wet ether]

smokes can be used to advance as well

[orchid hemlock]

Yes but u then take DT

[broken spade]

if you smoke, it's less fun dodging
lame

[wet ether]

no fun in dodging bullets when you can throw smoke and let the team advance

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[broken spade]

I noticed recently that sometimes i just run out to dodge attacks for no reason sometimes.
Like i was starting a reload behind cover and just ran out in front of shooters just for the hell of it, even though i couldn't actually fire yet

[umbral parrot]

Smoke also forces many specials into essentially melee combat

[full nacelle]

I know. I'm just saying you could could just throw a frag grenade and kill everything there instead.

[orchid hemlock]

U have a recon and Stealth, just kill them

But again i showed u a talent tree where u can just remove stamina and DT and u can take stock

I just don't think smokes are worth wasting 2 points for stock

[umbral parrot]

But you can't get 5% speed and crit chance lol

[full nacelle]

True. I like that side of the tree. I just wish smokes were better.

[wet ether]

i'm a team player not suure if that means anything in darktide

[clear lantern]

it means you collected the most plasteel

[full nacelle]

^

[wet ether]

which i try to do as well

[broken spade]

Has anyone actually run out of plasteel since the crafting update? I stopped caring

[orchid hemlock]

But DT also gives u nades

So what's the problem?

[full nacelle]

can't see plasteel with all that smoke everywhere

[broken spade]

Just sell emperor's gifts for plasteel

[orchid hemlock]

Stockpile is good, but for smokes I don't think it's good enough for 2 points

[clear lantern]

I used to have 86,000; but I melted it down 60,000 plasteel making new weapons

[full nacelle]

honestly a smoke build is cool in concept but pretty bad in practice... most maps you won't need them anyway and there are way better ways to deal with gunners/specials

I know. I run one.

[verbal burrow]

The main benefit seems to be that since the thing has a fire rate of 16.7 rounds per second, it will proc an application of infernus regularly even with a very low crit chance. Fast enough to get it to 16 stacks of burning on a plague ogryn or beast of nurgle. This is then paired with applying brittleness on hit in order to grind down bosses

[wet ether]

its only a 5% chance those i'd rather have a guaranteed nade recharge

[clear lantern]

hourglass ones are good because of the wide open areas; some of the trainyard corridors are good too, especially that drop off before you hit the end-game in chasm logistratum

[orchid hemlock]

but why do u need those smokes up every minute?

[wet ether]

its all personal preference at the end of the day those

[wet ether]

i use smokes allot i'd rather take no chances against shooters

and i do mean allot

[clear lantern]

havin' 2 smoke canisters and finding a grenade pickup means you can launch two more smoke canisters before looting it

[full nacelle]

Yep, that's exactly why I said "most maps". And I queue for auric QP so it's a roulette if I'm going to get a good smoke map anyway if I join a game in progess.

the least the devs could do is make them not blind your team

that would be huge

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-family-guy-gif-22618411

[orchid hemlock]

idk chief, your priorities on this build seem to be shifted more to the nades than the actual damage of the recon and knife

[shadow fable]

what was the blessings for infrantry auto again?

[clear lantern]

thundersmash and lightning bolt

[wet ether]

i did say i'd modify the build didn't i also i changed my mind about the combat knife

[umbral parrot]

So you want DT and Stockpile?

With Combat Shotgun!?

[full nacelle]

Oh man a smoke combat shotgun build? That is a toughie

[wet ether]

oh so?

[umbral parrot]

Regardless, it's up to him. And if he can pull it off, he can. ❤️

As for a build, this is what i'd do....

[wet ether]

which combat shotgun should i take?

[full nacelle]

Agripinaa

Zarona is too point hungry for a smoke build. Accatran is more of a Zealot weapon.

[umbral parrot]

If you want stealth, i'd suggest this. It includes Stockpile, but also Field Imp since you're going to be a team player. ❤️

I don't care who you are, you can be the worst person in my game. But if you have field imp, you're solid in my eyes.

[full nacelle]

I have a support shotgun build but it doesn't use smokes

[austere mica]

It totally works

Smokes are also pretty good for it

[umbral parrot]

BUT I would suggest something like this. VoC is way better than stealth. Not sure if you want stealth that bad, but it gives you an extra point to spend on what ever you want.

[full nacelle]

What does?

[wet ether]

would onslaught work with shotguns?

[austere mica]

Lawbringer

[full nacelle]

Ehhh... I like my Lawbringer with Deadshot and Marksman's Focus. That's a lot of investment if you want a full smoke grenadier build.

[austere mica]

I run keystoneless for lawb

Nothing really works for it

And MF is to much effort

[umbral parrot]

Actually, anyone can confirm for Onslaught? Not sure if all of those pellets will count as more than 1 hit. I dbout it but i could be wrong.

[wet ether]

yeah does onslaught work with shotguns?

[umbral parrot]

I would but i'm going to make food for myself lol.

[full nacelle]

Shoot the special shot into a horde once and you get max stacks

[austere mica]

Yeah but I have to actually hit heads

[full nacelle]

Aim at head level as you should be

it will headshot something if you're aiming at a horde

[austere mica]

That is terrain and character height dependent

I play a short vet

[full nacelle]

it's a good thing it has a ton of spread

like you can go try it for yourself in the Psykanium. Load special shot. Shoot at poxwalkers. You get tons of stacks for free.

Requires 0 effort.

[austere mica]

I know

I used it to get MF penance before you joined the discord

[full nacelle]

No. Onslaught stacks reset if you hit a different target sadly so it's worthless on shotguns. 😦

[verbal burrow]

I am starting to see why people like the Rashad

[wet ether]

fuck

[full nacelle]

Ok cool so then you know it stacks MF like crazy then

[austere mica]

Yes

I just find it inconsistent

[wet ether]

welp here the build i will now run since shotguns are getting thrown out the window

[full nacelle]

Yeah it's a bummer. Only really worth it on accurate fast-firing weapons.

[full nacelle]

I mean that's fair. I take camouflage so even if there isn't a horde in front of me I can easily keep my stacks.

[uncut pebble]

I mean, if it counts each pellet then you could just slam fire into a crushers head until it dies.

[wet ether]

here the full build

[uncut pebble]

But I doubt it does.

[full nacelle]

I dream of the day when shotguns play like shotguns and you use their primary fires...

[wet ether]

curios on the other hand i do pick up teammates in fire sometimes lol

[uncut pebble]

ITS FUCKING STUPID THAT I CAN'T 1TAP HEADSHOT A DREG BRUISER WITH A WEAPON SPEC CRIT WITH SHOTGUNS

[umbral parrot]

Always.

[full nacelle]

I'm curious, are you trying to go a full support build?

[umbral parrot]

So funny

[wet ether]

hybrid

[full nacelle]

Gotchu. Well depending on your gun, you might not want Weapon's Specialist. Focus Target! is the real support keystone for vet.

[broken spade]

Is it just me or is the -90% aggro after stealth not really that appealing?

[full nacelle]

It's absolutely amazing

[wet ether]

what i've got is the vraks infantry gun

[uncut pebble]

Stealth isn't even appealing.

I've played with many, many aggro dumpers.

[full nacelle]

I wouldn't dream of running stealth without Low Profile

[uncut pebble]

They're so annoying I find myself driven away from infiltrate.

[full nacelle]

but yes, you can't play like an idiot and let the entire horde kill your teammates

[umbral parrot]

But if you're the last person standing......

[broken spade]

sounds like the opposite if support of you're dropping aggro

[umbral parrot]

Lol

[wet ether]

lol

[uncut pebble]

Low profile wouldn't have an effect.

[broken spade]

i mean you literally turned invisible
If you can't handle the aggro of where you turned off the invis, walk somewhere else before it wears off

[full nacelle]

I have one "support" infiltrate build and it skips Low Profile for Hunter's Resolve... I pop stealth and pop right back out to become a tank

[uncut pebble]

"Threat", as far as I understand it, just means you will be the last person targeted.

[hearty panther]

pretty much

[grave hawk]

where should last 4 points go

[uncut pebble]

And if you're the last one standing, you're the only target.

[umbral parrot]

Hunter's Resolve is amazing

[full nacelle]

The point isn't to get away from threats. The point is to make it so you're free to murder them while they ignore you.

[uncut pebble]

Drop rending strikes and path down weapon spec side, grab reciprocity, desperado, toughness, and trench fighter drill.

[grave hawk]

kinda thinking fully loaded superiority complex

[uncut pebble]

More crits, flat damage boost, toughness, attack speed.

[full nacelle]

Low Profile turns Infiltrate from a defensive tool to an offensive one where you can clean up entire fights and destroy priority targets before they overwhelm your team

but a lot of people suck at using Infiltrate

[broken spade]

You're pretty much already free to kill things after leaving stealth though. You get the first hit and everything is suppressed

[wet ether]

thats why i use low profile

[broken spade]

just kill them normally

[uncut pebble]

Personally I would drop demo team and field improv in favor of close quarters killzone and the stamina talent below it, too, but I figure you're going for support on purpose.

[full nacelle]

The suppression only lasts a couple seconds in an AoE around you. Low Profile is 10 seconds and affects everything.

[grave hawk]

got rid of demo team

[broken spade]

the only time i remember ever wishing things stayed off aggro after invis is like, me trying to weakspot a BoN

[wet ether]

did you not see the video that i posted?

[grave hawk]

meant for me

[wet ether]

no

it was meant to show my entire build

[grave hawk]

i just sent my build in lol

[full nacelle]

Honestly as someone who once didn't like Infiltrate it's something you have to test for yourself to really get. Having 10 full seconds to go crazy and absolutely tear up any priority targets is massive, and also makes it very spammable.

[uncut pebble]

Wound curio. 💀

[wet ether]

picking up grims thats why

[umbral parrot]

Huh, I may give this a crack. I only do Hunter Resolve but.... That sounds cool.

[uncut pebble]

Just run toughness and corruption resistance.

Wounds are not the play for that.

[umbral parrot]

Wound needs buffs

[broken spade]

yeah i just take hunters resolve too

[uncut pebble]

You can just use a grim resist and corruption resist perk on a separate curio and call it good.

[tall torrent]

if 2-wound curios existed they could be useful

[full nacelle]

It's honestly massive. Definitely give it a shot! Turns you into an absolutely insane assassin. Hunter's Resolve is good too but it's more of a good consistent safety button than it is a GO CRAZY FOR 10 SECONDS button.

[umbral parrot]

Lol

[full nacelle]

My favorite is low profile with my Graia Braced gun. Suppresses literally everything instantly.

[umbral parrot]

Does it work if team is down but not dead?

[verbal burrow]

That'd mean less toughness for Veterans tho D:

[hollow ibex]

Infiltrate is def good. Not VOC good, but still good.

[full nacelle]

I'm not sure tbh, that's something I would have to test

don't know how aggro works on downed teammates

Yeah I hated Infiltrate when I first started playing. I was using it all wrong. Low Profile is godlike.

[tall torrent]

What toughness number do u build for

Cuz it’s not hard to reach 170~200 toughness on veteran