veteran-class

[carmine cradle]

?

am confuse

explain

[tall torrent]

Demo team is randomly get maybe 15 grenades across a mission

[carmine cradle]

hm

[tall torrent]

Stockpile is guaranteed one every minute till full

[carmine cradle]

waaaait

holup

could i ditch demo team and smokes

for demo stockpile and kraks?

[tall torrent]

You’d miss points for agile engagement

[carmine cradle]

i think i can afford it just barely

[tall torrent]

Non-negotiable for revolver

[carmine cradle]

id still take that

or do you mean the smoke itself is vital to the funciton of the build?

[tall torrent]

No

[carmine cradle]

math works out that i can TAKE kraks and demo stockpile if i ditch smokes and demo team

thats use the rest of my point

[tall torrent]

You just physically don’t have enough points to run everything related to krak because of infiltrate lol

[carmine cradle]

id still keep everything else

[carmine cradle]

i wouldnt get grenade tinkerer its true

[tall torrent]

Up to u

[carmine cradle]

hm

what would YOU do with the last 2 points?

im thinking maybe fully loaded

[tall torrent]

I don’t like infiltrate

[carmine cradle]

and duck and dive

or i could just take on your toes

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

i assume you would just build revolver with regular revolver things?

i ASSUME the axe takes brutal momentum

cause its mf brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

It’s all in the guide

[carmine cradle]

not gonna lie, ogryn guide better

XD

atleast how its formatted

i think this one probbaly has more information

but its also formatted weirdly

[blissful cliff]

More of a pain in the ass to maneuver though

I like that i can just click on something and it'll take me right there, With the Ogryn guide needing to constantly scroll up and down sucks lmao

That's probs a steam issue though

[tall torrent]

I don’t see what’s difficult about maneuvering when there’re hyperlinks everywhere

[carmine cradle]

except i have to download the guide to have that functionality

[tall torrent]

But u don’t

[carmine cradle]

im clicking on stuff that says i can click on it, nothing is happening

guide broke

[tall torrent]

That’s a web page problem

Open it in MS word

[orchid hemlock]

download it as a pdf

[blissful cliff]

ASS has been acquired

I can die in peace

[orchid hemlock]

Boomer tech knowledge 😔

[carmine cradle]

i CAN download things im a comp sci student

but thats kinda the whole problem

[tropic abyss]

how does curio perk stats stack up? do they add up?

[carmine cradle]

brother im running out of storage

[tall torrent]

it's in the guide

[carmine cradle]

CHECK THE GUIDE

[tall torrent]

u can access it in MS word without downloading, I'm pretty sure

[carmine cradle]

• @tall torrent

i wanted a dash not a dot fuck you discord

[frank ether]

I have the A S S title now

neat

[orchid hemlock]

Ogrynomicon is displayed as a pdf, and it's 5 mbs

[carmine cradle]

i use the steam guide for the ogrynomicon its better

[tall torrent]

I think mine is more than 5mb lol

[carmine cradle]

atleast to navigate

[tall torrent]

Lemme see how big the pdf is rn

[carmine cradle]

whats it like being the dude who wrote the vet guide

[orchid hemlock]

web design is my passion 😔

[tall torrent]

It’s 5.2mb rn

0.2mb bigger

Yea I think ur gonna be fine

[tall torrent]

It was fun

[carmine cradle]

what curious would u throw in the build u gave me?

[tall torrent]

I can positively say that it has more info than psyker/ogryn guides atm

[carmine cradle]

i think im running tough tough hp right now

[tall torrent]

200 health and 20% sniper resist

Everything else up to u

Again, u could just open the guide

[tropic abyss]

how much stamina would you recommend?

[tall torrent]

I don’t use +stamina curios

[tropic abyss]

how come?

[tall torrent]

If u need it, take at most 1

[tropic abyss]

I have 2...

[tall torrent]

Because stamina curios just aren’t that useful outside of like

3 scenarios

I think one +3 stam can be good

[orchid hemlock]

u dont really need stam curios on vet, also its hard to hit the 200 HP breakpoint without 2 hp curios

[tall torrent]

Generally speaking

[indigo edge]

+3 stamina is plenty.

[tall torrent]

But more than one +3 is kind of going into the meme build territory

[tropic abyss]

what about the duck and dive + stripped down combo?

[tall torrent]

It’s ok?

But you don’t need +stamina for that

[orchid hemlock]

Tanner is the kind of guy who thinks stamina is everything in this game

[idle swallow]

praise be 60% damage

[molten oar]

But stamina gud

How else am I gonna cover 5m to run away behind the shield Ogryn for protection

[tall torrent]

3x sprint efficiency

does more than +3 stamina for sprint

most of the time

[molten oar]

Oh right I forgot that exists

Wait

Then wtf is the point of +stam

[tall torrent]

Really good question

[orchid hemlock]

For ur mom

[indigo edge]

Helps with blocks and pushes too I suppose

Also deadshot

[thick kestrel]

pushing/blocking are the normal uses, you also have the deadshot node which runs off of crit

[carmine cradle]

brother the guide is open, but why ask the guide when i can ask the dude who MADE the guide

[molten oar]

Tbf if I'm relying on blocking already chances are I'm royally screwed 8 ways up

[tropic abyss]

how about stam regen vs sprint effi?

[tall torrent]

Didn’t I tell u to get >200 health and 20% sniper resist

[carmine cradle]

possibly

im gonna do that now

[tall torrent]

If u have the guide open you could very easily navigate to curio section and see what each of them does

[tall torrent]

And my “very specific recommendations” for every single one of them

[carmine cradle]

asking the man who made the guide is more efficient

[molten oar]

Reading comprehension? From a varlet?

preposterous.

[carmine cradle]

🤷

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tropic abyss]

the other day you said not to pair stam regen with sprint speed

[tall torrent]

It just isn’t

I’m not gonna copy paste 3 pages in here

[orchid hemlock]

He did answer u though

[tropic abyss]

and the quide lacks more in depth reasoning for the stuff you suggest...

[carmine cradle]

exactly

[orchid hemlock]

The context is in the guide

On "why"

Sounds pretty striaght forward to me

[tall torrent]

Like what

[molten oar]

Tbf that's the entire point of a guide fam

You want more depth, try it yourself and see how well u vibe with it

Like how I screwed up 5 Malice runs figuring out how the fuck Psyker works

[carmine cradle]

now i gotta get enough plasteel to max out the axe

it got reall lucky on rolls and got bm3 and ht4

as its randoms from upgrading

[carmine cradle]

well yeah, what do u think im doing when im NOT asking questions?

[tropic abyss]

like the >200 health, for instance
that investment compromises a lot of slots you could use for toughness, which the veteran has lots of way of regenning and lots of toughness resist, you argue that health is good because poxbuster but there's other stuff in the game and toughness is more applicable is most all situations

[tall torrent]

Do you know how toughness works

[narrow frost]

no

tell me

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[tropic abyss]

are you just gonna suggest reading the guide again?

[tall torrent]

No, I’m just asking

[molten oar]

Blue bar is secind helth bar

Blue bar gone, you is screwed

[tall torrent]

Do u know how toughness works

[tropic abyss]

I know it tanks ranged, and about the bleed over on melee

[molten oar]

Also blue bar means jack shit when corruption

That's all I know

[tropic abyss]

you have a point on melee, because chip damage is inevitable and more health will help with that, but this isn't in the guide, in there you talk about the buster

[tall torrent]

Ok good
You can get >200 health in 2 ways

Either 2x health curios, or 1x health curio plus 3x (+5%) health perks/talent

You can still reach high toughness for veteran even with >200 health

This is more dependent on ur talent tree set-up than curio set-up for high toughness

Because >200 health needs +34%

[stray stream]

I m trying a marksman’s focus build and thought about using the good old accatran. Ofc i ll use onslaught but :

which perks/blessings i shall choose ?

[molten oar]

Wait

Zealot is the one with most Toughness right

Second is Vet

And I pretend Ogryns don't exist

[tall torrent]

You can say toughness scales better for veteran
Compared to other classes, this is true
But >200 health just has more value: you have better defense vs 2 of the most dangerous enemies in the game, and you’re more resistant to corruption effects & attrition because they directly deal health damage

[orchid hemlock]

I would argue tough is more valuable on Zealot because u have soo many nodes that give you back percentage toughness

[tall torrent]

You can say “I never get hit by sniper”
But the whole point of using curios to build for defense is that you’re preparing for the worst scenario possible (which is usually last man standing)

[molten oar]

Tbh I don't really see a big need for corruption res

Sure if you're dealing with Tox Flamers & Dogs in HG it be nice to have, but on a regular build?

Feels too redundant ngl

[tall torrent]

No, veteran > ogryn > zealot > psyker

[tropic abyss]

this is what I'm running right now
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4ad832-ecbd-477b-a5aa-be8ed6490dab/whatever-name?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

In toughness scaling

[molten oar]

Unless it's whatever the hell happens in Auric I suppose

[tall torrent]

What is all that extra stamina for

[tropic abyss]

I still haven't figured out the curios and that's the reason I'm having this conversation

[stray stream]

Looks great, no onslaught using a columnus ?

[tropic abyss]

back then it was because stripped down + duck and dive and dodges, but I since learned about dodge limit

[faint beacon]

2 Toughness 1 HP gets the job done cause you hit a 200/200 ratio

[tropic abyss]

wish I had points for that

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent what would u go for curios on Zealot? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Ok think this way

If you never get hit by bursters or snipers, u simply have more health against chip damage & attrition, if you ever take chip damage

[jolly hemlock]

i would use a second +17 toughness one

1x +3 stamina is fine for weapons like duel sword knife etc

[tall torrent]

Something like 3x toughness or 2x toughness + 1 health
If I’m not playing knife

[orchid hemlock]

no i mean for the perks

[stray stream]

Taking frag grenade could be a first step. With onslaught u should melt crushers with a vrak V (head shots)

Edit : also, rendung strike is FAR less effective than onslaught, u could also get rid of demolition team

[tall torrent]

3x docket
3x sprint efficiency
1x sniper resist
2x toughness

[orchid hemlock]

docket

[tall torrent]

I like money

[orchid hemlock]

what about with knife then for the blessings?

[tropic abyss]

might do that, for now I still need the krak penance

[tropic abyss]

I want to ditch one of the stamina ones, not sure I want to ditch both

[tall torrent]

Stripped down + duck & dive is fun

But you usually get more out of dum dum + deathspitter

This frees up 2 points (from duck & dive

I’d recommend 5% crit chance

And Bring it down

[stray stream]

One is enough, also i take stripped down and run the same curios perks as u : it’s amazing

[tropic abyss]

I want to optimise the curio perks

I can get to >200 with one health curio but I'll need to free up space for health perks

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen vs sprint efficiency, keep one between them

Drop the other

[tropic abyss]

the stamina ones can probably be optimised, I just don't know which to ditch

yeah, that's what I'm thinking

[orchid hemlock]

ok the great stamina versus sprint debate GO

[jolly hemlock]

i mean with shovel you dont really need any stamina one in my opinion but you can reduce to one first and see how you fare and take a third toughness one later

[tall torrent]

Drop stamina regen then

[stoic thorn]

Is the darktide logo just the logo for the moebian 21st

[stray stream]

I use 1) sprint effectivness, stamina regen effectivness, CDR 2) sprint effectivness, block effectivness, CDR 3) block effectivness, stamina effectivness, CDR

[hollow ibex]

why block effectiveness lol

[tropic abyss]

what about the toughness regen one? maybe it'd be better to swap that for toughness

[hollow ibex]

toughness regen isn't very good on vet

[tall torrent]

Toughness regen is bad

Don’t

[indigo edge]

Yeah toughness is better

[orchid hemlock]

TR is bad except on Ogryn

[indigo edge]

It combos well with Iron will too

[orchid hemlock]

even then it is debatable

[tropic abyss]

tought so

I tought it was gonna proc on Confirmed Kill

but it doesn't

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent what do u use for Psyker then 🤔

[carmine cradle]

path.exe do you still actively play darktide?

[hollow ibex]

i think it's quite good on ogryn. i tried it after ogrynomicon gave it the highest recommendation possible, and i'm a believer now lol

[tall torrent]

3x docket
3x health
1x sniper resist
2x toughness

[orchid hemlock]

what about blessings?

[tall torrent]

1 health + 2 toughness

[orchid hemlock]

no stam?

[tall torrent]

What’s stamina for

[orchid hemlock]

just for repositioning for me, but Psyker has the lowest stam pool

[tall torrent]

But also the shortest stamina regen delay

What weapon needs more stamina on psyker

[orchid hemlock]

tru but in worst case scenario the stam can be useful to buy time for your kinetic

[tropic abyss]

I want to keep stripped down
between dumdum and deathspitter, which would be better?

I'm leaning towards deathspitter

[tall torrent]

I don’t use kinetic deflection

[orchid hemlock]

dumdum

[finite dock]

whats the cleave weapon of choice for veteran ?

[tall torrent]

Power sword?

[tropic abyss]

what about the blessings for the shovel? I have decimator but didn't put another one because I'm always flip flopping on it

currently it has Trust

[tall torrent]

Which variant

[tropic abyss]

VII

[tall torrent]

Thrust + decimator/Skullcrusher is fine

U could go the boring route of uncanny strike as well

[tropic abyss]

skullcrusher
when I look at it in the inspect weapons it deal, at most, 22 stagger damage

isn't that too little for skullcrusher?

[tall torrent]

The in-game damage table displays inaccurate stagger info

[hollow phoenix]

Does Vet happen to have any goggles/sunglasses looking cosmetics worn over the eyes?

Only eyewear and nothing else

[tropic abyss]

i don't think so

[viral nacelle]

anyone have an infantry las build that isnt dogshit in aurics?

[hollow phoenix]

My Joakim Broden cosplay shall go unfinished

Truly

A disaster

[obsidian mesa]

Should i use mk 3 or mk 6 power sword

And whats the difference

[orchid hemlock]

6

And the difference is 6 is better

[obsidian mesa]

Ik but how lol

[tawdry jackal]

It has hidden bonuses and the light attack horde clears much faster

Also it can stab crushers in the head

The push attack is a poke

shovel by the way, the mk1 in particular has been a MVP for me

Swing for heads with Uncanny Strike and Decimator

It builds up to the point you eat hordes

[stray stream]

@tall torrent going onslaught + marksman’s focus, i wished to try that with the good old accatran. Any advice regarding perks and blessings ?

[tawdry jackal]

That said I’m liking the chainaxe a lot for a below average horde clear that can hold the line, but that fucks up single targets quickly

I’m running a plasma gun shout build that has boosted krak grenades and the heavy autorev chainaxe

It feels fine but idk how else I can improve it

[tropic abyss]

I really like the mk I shovel, but it just isn't as good as the others against armour

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher

You won't one shot it but Skullcrusher will put in some work

[tawdry jackal]

lmfao hammer did it

he fucking got tired of the bullshit

[tall torrent]

On recon lasgun?
Flak + 5% crit chance
Dum dum + deathspitter

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4ae78a-9c1b-48be-93d0-1ac4e0d536d5/plasmachain-axe-nuke

anything i can do here to improve it? Assume its for close combat work

[stray stream]

Oh so i don’t need infernus/headhunter to pair with marksman’s focus ?

[tawdry jackal]

thinking maybe i need to switch the plasma blessing to maniac and elites not just flak and elites

[thorn lark]

I think there's a one shot bp with maniacs on the plasma

[tawdry jackal]

There is also this build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1aada8-9bba-4bf3-aa91-009a019d3b54/boltgunner-shout

[upbeat dirge]

Is demolition team/survivalist bugged rn? Or am I just not paying enough attention

[tropic abyss]

works for me

[viral nacelle]

jesus christ recon las vet is such bullshit lmao

[thorn lark]

Why born leader and not for the emperor oO

[neat sinew]

what is the dump stat for plasma gun?

[tame lodge]

Survivalist has a cool down now

[viral nacelle]

see things, brrt them to death, voc yourself back to full tough at any moment, iron will to stay ok

carapace? monstrosity? maniac? who cares brrt for everyone

[tall torrent]

Usually, no
Recon’s finesse is too low to get value out of MF in general tho

[carmine cradle]

im gonna play draktide with john veteran

pog

[tropic abyss]

are lasweapons and bolters hitscan?

[viral nacelle]

im runnin with infernus/headhunter MF and i gotta say its pretty nasty

you burn it all down without really giving a shit

[timid wolf]

What makes infernus bad now?

[tame lodge]

The alternative is better

That's it

Or at least depending on the build

[indigo edge]

Thoughts on my Crit Helbore build?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4aee46-82be-427b-9e60-11b541d3e3bb/helbore-crit?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tame lodge]

You really want to stack crit asap huh

[indigo edge]

Crits are nice

[tame lodge]

Honestly

Would've dropped Bigger they are

For Target Down

So you tag kill tag loop

And feed Deadshot

[indigo edge]

oooh

I didn't think of that

The build also lacks some toughness replenishment perks

[tame lodge]

Well Target Down got you covered as well

[indigo edge]

Yeah

[tame lodge]

And if you go tag kill tag you basically have 2 stacks of FT
Which becomes 10% toughness and stamina because Target Down

It's peak

[tawdry jackal]

ok i figured something out: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4ae78a-9c1b-48be-93d0-1ac4e0d536d5/plasmachain-axe-nuke

https://i.imgur.com/iQnZoAQ.png

[tropic abyss]

is there any mission or modifier that's good for grinding armourbane?

[tame lodge]

Scab melee

[primal zealot]

Civi maelstrom

Or go back in time to the infected moebian event and just grenade the hordes lol

[tame lodge]

C I VI is peak
But any scab only will help

[tawdry jackal]

thinking this will let me blend bosses

and also hold my own in hordes

[junior hawk]

are there weapons that want some specific values without full dump stat besides plasma?

[real flicker]

does that 79% pen actually matter?

[ocean idol]

Infantry lasguns pretty bad now?

[ripe totem]

always has been

[tropic abyss]

still better than helbore

[real flicker]

Not hard haha

[tame lodge]

Not really

[bitter pasture]

hearing the combat axe is good now on vet, what'd they change?

[ocean idol]

It was always good?

[hollow ibex]

nothing, it was always meta

[tame lodge]

Needs a specific build though

[orchid hemlock]

Always has been 🔫

[sweet gale]

Whats the dump stat on plasma gun?

[tame lodge]

71 charge rate
69 thermal

Iirc

[sweet gale]

is 71 charge rate a breakpoint or something?

[tame lodge]

Good question
I know you need 69 thermal for 8 continuous shots

[sweet gale]

Ok thank you

[junior hawk]

for 9 afaik, more than 69 doesn't let you more shots

[stray stream]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4aee1a-ba96-46d6-8b0b-05ff07183332/marksman-commando?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

tell me if this could work. Also, if there are one or two other gun that could run with this build

[normal flint]

why is low mobility recommended on veteran melee weps?

or what I mean is why is mobility a dump stat

I cant really ever see myself using the rev on the chainsword

[trim steppe]

why is everyone so so so bad at Rolling Steel 😭

I swear its impossible to win an auric version lol everyone camping train cars or dying every 15 seconds

[tame lodge]

Mobility doesn't bring a lot to the table past 51% iirc

And the XIIIg does bite a lot with revs

[normal flint]

weird that its a not a recommended dump for psykers

[normal flint]

Ill have to give it a try

[trim steppe]

51% mobility gives you maximum dodges (usually 5) and other than that just increases your dodge distance by like 1% so its essentially worthless. Most other stats actually increase your damage or attack speed or do something good

[tame lodge]

Well XIIIg wants wrath
Unless you Push Attack Heavy Light then H L loop for hordes

[normal flint]

thanks, you guys gave me something to think about

[trim steppe]

Specifically to the CS, high shredder stat lets you do things like 1-shot mutants as they run by if you rev a heavy into them

[ocean idol]

ALso heavy recon seems to be so much better than other recons

[mortal horizon]

For double barrel (manstopper + scattershot) and knife weapon specialist hot-swap build (using the melee kill, reload, swap, fire rotation often)

what blessings would you run on the knife? I was thinking of Uncanny and Reposte.
or reposte and flesh tearer.
Not sure precog makes sense for this build, but maybe?

ive been testing things out and going back and forth

wondering what you guys like

[ocean idol]

That's only thing you can really use against elites

and boss

[slow spade]

Poxwalker in your way? Rev
Ally take an ammo tin from you? Rev

[verbal burrow]

Gotta say that trying the Rashad move set and inspecting it's available blessings, I haven't seen what people like about it so much

[ocean idol]

So i just had an idea

Double barrel + knife

I don't need scattershot on DB probably?

Since i can get crit chance on weapon specialist

[verbal burrow]

Like, what happened to a nice chainsword with Rampage and Savage Sweep?

[tall torrent]

Rashad does its job better, generally

[verbal burrow]

But how tho, when Cleave is so key

[runic axle]

Which columnus is considered to be OP, infantry or vigilant one?

[runic axle]

I guess brutal momentum + headtaker which makes it better for taking down elites and also pretty decent for horde clear

[trim steppe]

uh those are very different guns. the columnus infantry was renamed the Vraks infantry and its the op one

[tame lodge]

Literally Brutal Momentum

[trim steppe]

rashad with brutal momentum kills 4 of anything below elites in 1 swing. So you can clear hordes in seconds. And elites all die in 1-2 swings as well

[tame lodge]

None

It's the Vraks 5 now

Do you understand?

[runic axle]

Ye

[tame lodge]

The strong columnus got renamed to Vraks
The controllable Graia got renamed to columnus

Peak trolling from FS

[runic axle]

What blessings should I get for it, Punishing Salvo + Sustained Fire?

[tame lodge]

Dumdum Deathspitter

It's literally hold the trigger and watch out for the recoil

[thorn plinth]

Best melee on Vet? Have been trying quite a few and melee on my Psyker somehow just feels way better. Devil's Claw wasn't doing enough damage, Chainaxe was good but I couldn't move while attacking, and dodge count on Power Sword feels SO low.

[tawdry jackal]

wondering if i should swap out decimator for skullcrusher on a maxed out mk 1 shovel

like all of these nerds are gonna get staggered from the first swing right?

so its going to apply and keep applying right?

[wary sparrow]

io

[tame lodge]

Power sword 6
Rashad
Knife
Chainsword

Shovel

[tawdry jackal]

decimator on the other hand needs you to keep hitting dudes and is a slower ramp up of steady 5% and it stops when you miss or run out of targets

its fucking wild cause it can scale to 50% extra power

you will eat a horde

you will eat things within the horde i believe

does anyone wanna weigh in on this at all?

[ocean idol]

basically evrything you said is so wrong

on so many levels

Is crit bonus from Specialist flat bonus?

or relative?

i.e. does it turn 15% crit into 48%, or into 20%?

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ef18f-a2e4-4ca4-accf-c413c68009c5/infiltrate-cqb-vet had this dude with smoke grenades before for the penance but im thinking this dude could dunk a boss or really contribute to the damage. what do yall think?

[trim steppe]

I dont really run shovel so I cant weigh in

[tropic abyss]

how do you deal with carapace with the mk I?

[ocean idol]

seems like a bad b uild

[trim steppe]

I dont really know what you're talking about, but crit scaling is bad in this game so I'm going to assume is the second case you mentioned

[tawdry jackal]

i shoot them with a boltgun if its the build i think we're talking about

[tropic abyss]

eh...

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[tropic abyss]

I don't wanna give up my autogun for that

[tawdry jackal]

yeah i normally build around a boltgun but have been experimenting with other weapon combos

also usually carry krak grenades

[trim steppe]

oh are you talking about weapon specialist? it stacks, so you get the full value (so in your example you'd get 48%)

[tawdry jackal]

sometimes shredders

my understanding is the shovel's "poke" special stuns the crusher but i could be wrong

usually my aim is not so good and I'm taking the shovel specifically to annhilate scrubs

[hollow ibex]

with mk4 chainaxe, you'll need to use heavies against hordes

[trim steppe]

kraks are good if both your weapons struggle against armor. Otherwise its better to take shredders, they kill everything except crushers really really fast

[tropic abyss]

the shovel poke staggers pretty much anything

[trim steppe]

Tho sometimes the talent point tax makes you pick one or the other

[hollow ibex]

if you have a strong melee weapon, shredders aren't needed tbh

[tawdry jackal]

kraks are the panic button for "oh shit there's a pack of crushers"

[tropic abyss]

it can stagger a mutant mid sprint

[tawdry jackal]

or for bosses

[hollow ibex]

kraks can be really good

[regal smelt]

As long as they land before anyone else looks at the crusher it hit

[trim steppe]

Sometimes I run brauto + rashad + kraks. Brauto doesn't do armor, so kraks help deal with bulwarks and crushers quickly and rashad clears all mixed hordes with no sweat

[tawdry jackal]

on say a boltgun shout build (I can manage the recoil on it hip firing), I carry shredders to help give the bros space

and i rely on the bolter with puncture and pinnign fire to handle anything more serious than scrubs

[regal smelt]

kraks can help a ton but sometimes they feel so situational. Depends on team comp and what the director feels like, there's a big enough chance that you just don't get to use them for more than a single monster or a tiny bit of horde stagger to help revive

they slap when they wipe a whole crusher patrol and no one else in the team can

[ocean idol]

What weaponsa are good to combine with Agile Engagement aside from double barrel?

[trim steppe]

revolver is probably the biggest one

but theres a lot

plasma is good, vraks infantry or a brauto

[runic axle]

What's a dump stat for the plasma gun?

[austere mica]

Plasma has an extremely specific stat spread

I don’t remember of the top of my head but it’s in the guide in the first pin

[hollow ibex]

Perfect is 69 thermal, 71 charge rate, 80 everything else

[trim steppe]

69% TR is the goal and minimum, after that put as much as you can into CR. 80 the other 3 stats

[ocean idol]

bistol would probably be better due to cleave?

[hollow ibex]

bpistol has some serious breakpoint issues that revolver doesn't have

[trim steppe]

Bistol is good and all but zarona revolver is just the best ranged weapon period.

[regal smelt]

If you don't have a lot of dockets for a lot of rolls then aim around 70-75 thermal resistance and keep 80 on damage stopping power and ammo

[trim steppe]

If you REALLY don't have dockets then just dump Charge Rate on plasma, still works fine. But any low 70s TR roll is awesome

[regal smelt]

not to mention the shitty ui right now changes mid upgrade so the numbers might lie until fully upgraded and maybe even until game restart

I had a 69 tr go up to 73

[trim steppe]

I've had a 2 point drift but never 4, that's crazy lol RIP

I have a 68 TR plasma that I'm actually hoping drifts we'll see

[runic axle]

Wtf is brunt cooking

That's the lowest number I've ever seen

[trim steppe]

Garbage is what

[runic axle]

So, why aim for 69-75 thermal, so you can hit a breakpoint and do an additional charged shot in the row or something?

[regal smelt]

yeah an additional normal shot

8 instead of 7 shots

kinda important with blaze away blessing

[trim steppe]

After 69% TR doesn't let you fire any more shots so it's very very marginal gains on anything useful

[trim steppe]

Also, don't ever used charged shots, you want to spam uncharged shots 100% of the time

Charged shots just tank your ammo economy

And also can kill you

[pliant kayak]

Which gun goes well with chain axe? I've tried shotgun but it doesn't feel quite right

[magic trout]

Infantry lasgun - inafntry autoguns - revolver - laspistol - Braced autoguns

[hollow ibex]

maybe recon las, something that you can use to deal with hordes

because chain axe really struggles against hordes

[pliant kayak]

Another question I read the guide in the pin and I wonder why Desperado isn't in recommended talents

[radiant chasm]

chaxe doesn't have great finesse values and doesn't care about critting

[magic trout]

because is expensive luxury.
Mostly only melee builds used that have hight finesse and crit

[radiant chasm]

luxury or not, it simply won't give you a meaningful boost compared to a point anywhere else

plus, mk4 likes using PA so stam regen node is a must if you are going that path

[obsidian mesa]

What kind of weapon stats should i be aiming for as a minimum for power sword

[magic trout]

which stats are prioritie or lowest number of (each) stat?

For powersword priorities stat are: Damage - finesse - cleave - cleave target -

Mobility is dump

if you can find a 4/ 80% stat with the lowest in mobility that would be great

but at least you want 70%

[verbal burrow]

Yeah finding something where the shittiest stat is 60% and the rest are 80% is essentially what you want

For Plasma that is Charge Speed, for most other things that's mobility

[verbal burrow]

And what would one pair Brutal Momentum with on a meta Rashad?

[hollow ibex]

headtaker

make sure you have enough melee damage in your talent tree/axe to one-shot dredge bruiser heads

then you're good to go

[magic trout]

Dont say that or somebody wil arrive...

[quartz breach]

Which autogun is better vigilant or braced? I'm trying to see what to level up next

[pseudo fiber]

Closest so far

[magic trout]

Change focused cooling for blaze away, if you want more damage focused cooling is not that good

[analog yacht]

in a patch they made it so charge damage isn't really prorated and it's more binary "uncharged" and "100% charged". and charging isn't really worth doing to 100%

If you really want to do a full charged shot anyway you can just take a moment longer to do it for the one time you do it in a whole mission

[hollow ibex]

they're very different. vigilant are more like marksmen rifles, super headshot dependent. braced are more spray everything down sort of guns

[verbal burrow]

I dunno unless you are a massive tougness whore like me, Gets Hot + Rising Heat seems to make more sense. That's +50% crit chance and +20% power

[analog yacht]

the problem with vigilant autoguns is that basically everything else does their job better

[quartz breach]

Thank you

[magic trout]

My joke was that somebody in this server doesnt like the fact the people say that: charge rate in plasma is dump/low prioritie

[analog yacht]

If you want a sniper then the stub revolver. if you want to spam out single fire shots take like las pistol or like, blue lasgun

[quartz breach]

I'll go for braced then

[magic trout]

Blaze away is 40% power at 5 stacks

[hollow ibex]

braced is still fun, though a bit overshadowed by recon las now these days

[magic trout]

i still remenber those days were most of the player hated it recon lasguns 🤔

[verbal burrow]

It's an entirely subjective thing. Personally, I can't be fucked to use the charge function, so it is logical that it is my dump stat

[hollow ibex]

yeah recon las used be very good, then very bad, and now it's very good again

[verbal burrow]

I also have a friend who desires more spread on his recon lasgun so he purposefully got stability at 60% instead of mobility

So he can spray into hordes more americanly

[pseudo fiber]

I wanted to try it for a match

conclusion

[magic trout]

it really is, at least in my opinion is one of the best weapons againts bosses, it melt their shields

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/sucks-danny-devito-clapping-meme-gif-5899574479924337458

[magic trout]

For karnak twins is one of the best

[verbal burrow]

Liking my Veteran Main's current collection tho

[deft crystal]

No auto infantry

or revolver

[hollow ibex]

Revolvers are boring anyway

[deft crystal]

REVOLVER + KNIFE IS COOL

[hollow ibex]

Unless you’re talking about agrivolver

[deft crystal]

Style points mf

yea

I use agri

I Dont like fan the hammer

Also really easy to get through maelstrom with knife revolver combo

[analog yacht]

high caliber revolves are peak, sorry for your loss

[deft crystal]

Especially with a bad team

[verbal burrow]

auto infantry doesn't really have any meaning to me. Terms like this have meaning to me

[deft crystal]

Auto infantry supremecy

(ik its preference 😭 )

[verbal burrow]

Where did you find infantry, and why are they automatic?

[idle pecan]

does the 6% penetration affect anything

[deft crystal]

Yes

[idle pecan]

any bps?

[verbal burrow]

Accept no substitute for Mobility at 60% and everything else at 80%

[verbal burrow]

I am in fact considering what weapon to level up next, but this term really doesn't tell me what weapon that would be

[deft crystal]

Oh wait

I use zarona

not agri

mb

[verbal burrow]

I hear good things about the Zarona revolver

Currently considering whether to do a Zarona, or a Rashad

[idle pecan]

does the 6% penetration affect any breakpoints in damnation though (on the zarona)

[deft crystal]

Yes

[idle pecan]

like which ones

[deft crystal]

idk

[idle pecan]

?????????

[analog yacht]

hover pen to see the difference

[deft crystal]

It just feels nice to have

idk

I crunch the numbers on specific things

[analog yacht]

i mean to be 100% you can just use and upgrade this until you get a 60 mob zarona

[deft crystal]

but others are niche and just needs to feel good

if that makes sense

[analog yacht]

it's not like upgrading 1 extra weapon is super expensive

[verbal burrow]

Dude do you have any idea what most EVE players would do for 6% armor piercing

[idle pecan]

eve players need to go outside tbh

[deft crystal]

Eve players should just go into finance

CHANGE MY MIND

[verbal burrow]

Let me ask you a better question. You know that if you keep buying weapons from Brunt, you will eventually get a revolver that has all stats at 80% except Mobility. At that stage, given how fast credits you use to buy weapons from Brunt pile up, don't ask why you would re-roll for perfect percentages. Ask why not.

[analog yacht]

unfortunately tencent bought eve and put 4000 microtransactions into the game

[deft crystal]

Tencent is a chinese government control op

[idle pecan]

cuz im poor

[deft crystal]

I think

im p sure

[verbal burrow]

And ever since the Uprising patch hit EVE, Faction Wars has been turned into a husk filled with algos multiboxing algorithms

Curse tencent

[analog yacht]

I mean I think all the chinese fearmongering about tencent is dumb but it's just a capitalist company that loves shoving microtransactions into things

[deft crystal]

All my homies hate tencent

[idle pecan]

this is fine right

been trying to find a good melee to pair with it

[verbal burrow]

If you want to spray, nerfing stability is fine

[idle pecan]

its controllable tbh

[deft crystal]

Tbf they are influencial when it comes to economics.

Have you seen how many bridges and land they own

Not a threat per say

but when it comes to tech

The intel gathering is what people are worried about

not sure if its a threat tho or them just gathering marketing data

could be either or

[tropic abyss]

how controllablle?

[deft crystal]

Although them pumping micro transactions is pain

[tropic abyss]

can you reliably land headshots at a distance of say 20m?

cause stability also governs spread

[deft crystal]

No. replace deathspitter with dumdum

Deathspitter goes on shotguns normally

[deft crystal]

Send me ur build rq

actually nvm

Ik what it is

[austere bison]

what's the dump stat on bolt pistol? collateral?

[tropic abyss]

eh

not bad

but it seems you scope has autism

[quartz breach]

So braced autoguns are better than infantry and vigilant in general?

[tropic abyss]

no way

[analog yacht]

always mobility if the weapon has it

unless it's a weapon that has like, mobility + defense. then you can do whatever probably

[austere bison]

infantry vraks V is the meta autogun currently I believe, @quartz breach

[idle pecan]

@deft crystalsent it to you

[analog yacht]

it's hard to specifically identify breakpoint changes bc talents also give % ranged damage and stuff but there's definitely breakpoints that can be affected. for example without talents mauler bodyshot breakpoint is affected

[deft crystal]

one sec

[wet ether]

Imma be real i never understood why mobility is a dump stat

[quartz breach]

oh ok ty

[idle pecan]

Less dodges and movement speed dont matter if the enemies are dead

[deft crystal]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iV4IejDdbTVVXwdpj?invite=cr-MSw1YjIsMjI3MjA4Mzc2LA

Mt ttk is faster

[analog yacht]

the most important thing about dodges is that they put you in "dodge state". Pretty much every weapon gains it's maximum dodge count at 50% mobility

Dodge distance is good and all, but by far the most imporant thing is dodge count

[deft crystal]

I start at the 5 second mark

finsih at the 7 to 8 second mark

[quartz breach]

When looking for a good recon lasgun what stats do I prioritize?

[analog yacht]

need a pin that just reads "dump mobility" tbh

[deft crystal]

you start at the 1 second mark and finish at 5

[deft crystal]

5 second ttk compared to 3 to 2 seconds

[idle pecan]

i was farther so it was harder to hit shots + i didnt have dumdum + (maybe) damage falloff

[tropic abyss]

you get max dodge at 50%, past that is dodge distance and sprint speed, but those are minor gains

[wet ether]

Deadshot or whatever it’s called?

[deft crystal]

I was at center

let me get closer

[idle pecan]

deadshot is great

[wet ether]

sure

[tropic abyss]

some weapons don't have mobility

[wet ether]

If it didn’t drain stamina

[tropic abyss]

poor helbore...

[idle pecan]

just run it with something like target down and most of the downsides vanish

with max stacks you get half of your stamina back on a kill

[wet ether]

Still don’t like it personally

[idle pecan]

thats okay

[wet ether]

As someone who loves to remain mobile stamina is very important to me

[analog yacht]

i mean with recon lasgun you can kinda just hipfire until you want the burst of damage

[idle pecan]

im not particularly mobile tbh, i just stand in a general area until i need to move, and sometimes i still dont lmao

[somber axle]

80% Damage, 80% Ammo, 80% Stability. You can dump stat either Mobility or Collateral. Neither one really changes anything significantly. Leave one of those 2 at 60%

[deft crystal]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iV4PbLUUhJmx0WFm3?invite=cr-MSx3VmIsMjI3MjA4Mzc2LA

ok so its about the same

@idle pecan u could probably get it down to one second

actually

Drop field improv

Go for superiority complex

[idle pecan]

field improv is something i need tbh

its so useful

[deft crystal]

CRUTCH

ITS A CRUTCH

JUST DONT TAKE DMG MF

nah

[idle pecan]

i mean, giving my zealots and ogryns free nades is such a crutch ig

[deft crystal]

IT IS

[tall torrent]

Because Rashad kills both hordes & elites faster

[analog yacht]

the problem with field improv is that you could be taking more damage talents

[deft crystal]

1 sec ttk

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iV4UbJSQgva-fjtsZ?invite=cr-MSw1WUMsMjI3MjA4Mzc2LA

No need for grenades when u kill everything in 1 sec

Could also probably save a few points

if you go for kraks

and ignore survivalist

[idle pecan]

i use shredder nades as an oh shit button

i need my oh shit button sorry

[analog yacht]

idk for builds that do this I can see field improv bc a single unupgraded frag every 60 seconds is kinda w/e

[deft crystal]

Theres enough ammo and nade pickups on maps

[analog yacht]

^

i pretty much always go damage aura now

[deft crystal]

Also shredders are just subsitute for melee and horde management

[tall torrent]

drop deadshot

[analog yacht]

not bc it's super strong or anything but it's closer to the other skills I want

and then I can get more bottom tree skills

vet is so bottom heavy

[tall torrent]

swap fire frenzy to deathspitter

[deft crystal]

NO

I like my frenzy

[tall torrent]

yes

deathspitter is just better

and drop deadshot lol

[deft crystal]

I still hit my 1 second ttk mark on crushers tho 🥺

(ik ur right but im inhaling copium)

[tall torrent]

run 5% crit chance perk + talent, drop deadshot

[deft crystal]

thatd probably reduce ttk by like 0.5 secs

[tall torrent]

not sure why u need deadshot for this gun

it's just meme build

[idle pecan]

swap superiority complex for rending strikes

even better dps

[deft crystal]

Nah

crushers arent real and cant hurt you

once you understand that

rending means NOTHING

[idle pecan]

💀

mauler horde says hello

[idle swallow]

mfw melee maelstrom

[deft crystal]

Knife or dueling handle my ragers

and maulers

idk why tf fatshark thought they should give us vets dueling swords

[tall torrent]

rending helps vs carapace more than superiority complex most of the time

[indigo edge]

What blessings do you all like using on the Infantry lasgun?

[analog yacht]

rending is a fake stat unless you have like 50%+

[tall torrent]

what

[analog yacht]

i.e. hand-cannon

[tall torrent]

that's just not true?

[deft crystal]

TY

[analog yacht]

the 10% rending talent is ass 90% of the time

[deft crystal]

hes on my side mf

yeah the rending is not worth that point

[tall torrent]

buddy u have onslaught

[idle pecan]

onslaught is 40% and rending strikes is 10%

[narrow frost]

BRITTLENESS ISNT RENDING

s[lofdajkl;dsgajhk;dsj;hka

sdbajhkldfvhs;kjlavdk;ashgdiblk;jwsa

mb

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[analog yacht]

if you're stacking rending then that 10% gets better bc you can actually rely on rending to do things

[idle pecan]

then whats the difference

[deft crystal]

Given people a stroke the builds are so bad

[narrow frost]

path

can you help em?

in a CIVI rn

[idle swallow]

let the people lead themselves to ruin

[tall torrent]

I kinda just don't wanna anymore

[narrow frost]

I understand

[tall torrent]

do u understand how rending works, as a start

[deft crystal]

thing is I Dont take it

[idle swallow]

bro is abused like a family member at Thanksgiving having to do a bunch of IT fixes for family or cousins

[deft crystal]

cause my melee mostly deals with them in 3 shots

or two

Whether or not I have rending

[tall torrent]

ok then drop rending completely

drop 8 stack modifier for focus target

get 5% crit chance perk + talent

drop duck & dive

[analog yacht]

what is brother doing

[deft crystal]

oh ye

i dont need duck

[tall torrent]

u can get stam regen delay boost on left below superiority complex

if u even need that

[sleek garden]

iron will over nade regen?

idk about that

[tall torrent]

yea

iron will is good

[deft crystal]

IRon will is a must have

[analog yacht]

iron will + shout is S tier

[tall torrent]

get desperado

[deft crystal]

thats how u get 80% toughness

[tall torrent]

below reciprocity

[idle pecan]

iron will is busted

[deft crystal]

I alr fixed it

[idle pecan]

iron will basically gives you like 50% more toughness

[deft crystal]

Sorry i showed the earlier pic

that was not it chief

[analog yacht]

also basically doubles toughness overshield from shout

[idle pecan]

yeah

[tall torrent]

drop 8 stack on focus target

[idle pecan]

its kinda overpowered tbh

[tall torrent]

8 stack isn't worth

[deft crystal]

This isnt my build that ur editing tho

[idle pecan]

8 stack has a funny nieche use when using deadshot and target down

[deft crystal]

I was comparing blessings

[tall torrent]

no it doesn't

[analog yacht]

lowk I think tagging capstone is mid overall

[idle pecan]

get more stamina back which means deadshot longer uptime

[tall torrent]

it's for breakpoint weapons

[analog yacht]

whc passive with a 10 second cooldown

[tall torrent]

nah this is just wrong

u don't understand how it works if u think this

[deft crystal]

Ill give yall my actual build

[elder fiber]

no thanks I don't want it

[narrow frost]

lol

based

[deft crystal]

I need yall to tear it apart

cause my first attempt at revolver knife

[analog yacht]

idk there's just better breakpoint options that don't have a cooldown

[tall torrent]

which weapon

[verbal burrow]

There's another 10% toughness damage resistance node you can grab on the left there.

[tame lodge]

There's no cooldown

[analog yacht]

the % damage bonus has to recharge

[tall torrent]

if ur thinking FT with a "cooldown" mindset, ur understanding it wrong

but that's understandable because the in-game tooltip doesn't tell u how it works

u can look at the pinned guide here

I have very detailed info on basically everything veteran related

[junior haven]

How many toes does the average vet have then, huh?

[analog yacht]

ohh I see you get an extra stack for free if you kill your target

[verbal burrow]

Wait a fucking second

[analog yacht]

so at 2 seconds you basically already have 3 stacks

[verbal burrow]

Now I get why y'all like it

[analog yacht]

that's fair

[verbal burrow]

The Rashad is just your version of the axe I used to use on my Ironbreaker

[tall torrent]

it's a minimum 2 stack refresh of x1.08 dmg taken

applies to every important enemy

plus redirect fire

it enables more breakpoints than every other build option

it's more dmg than superiority complex while applying to more enemies

[analog yacht]

Ok my opinion of focus target is much better than before

[verbal burrow]

All the Guard's center keystone things are delicious

[analog yacht]

though I'm still kinda ride or die for weapon spec

[deft crystal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4b3d25-9d15-4c84-b9c1-f49177948d38/revife?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Still working on it

[tall torrent]

yea any non-breakpoint gun, I'd take WS instead

[analog yacht]

the passive reload + guaranteed crits + toughness regen is huge

[deft crystal]

This worked well in game

[tall torrent]

[analog yacht]

WS also synergizes w/ agile engagement perfectly for an always on 25%

[deft crystal]

I made the changes you had for the autogun on my talent tree but ttk to crusher increased

[tall torrent]

u had onslaught for that ttk

dropping onslaught & rending does that

lol

[sleek garden]

just had an ogryn in my game with 9 wounds

died in seconds

[idle pecan]

what is good on a bolter?

[deft crystal]

Well hes obviously new

[deft crystal]

pinning

and uhh

[tall torrent]

flak + maniac
pinning fire + puncture

[deft crystal]

one sec

PUNCTURE

yea

[analog yacht]

imo drop one of the floating nodes to take either trench fighter or agile engagement

[deft crystal]

I was boutta go look at the perks for the name

[sleek garden]

auric damnation rolling steel

[deft crystal]

wtf bro 😭

[tall torrent]

u can look at my guide for basically every vet-related question, unironically

[tawdry jackal]

this is p much facts

[sleek garden]

if you play ogryn with slab shield you should never ever ever go down to a non mixed horde and yet that is what he did

[verbal burrow]

How

[tall torrent]

last 2 points up to u

[junior haven]

You still didn't answer my average toe count of veterans.

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/jlEAMyC.png i legit can't decide on a few talents here

vraks autogun and mk4 chainaxe

could go focus target for bosses. Not sure why im doing WS tbqh. I thought it would help teh chainaxe but not really

[tall torrent]

5 per foot? what answer do u want

[tawdry jackal]

i can melee but im mainly after single targets

and slipping behind to get shit done. smoking bosses

[junior haven]

You said you had the answers here. I'm just asking questions. What's the favored facial hair style of veterans?

[tall torrent]

[tawdry jackal]

i'm giving up superiority complex which is a recommended talent on the chainaxe

[narrow frost]

☹️

[tall torrent]

onslaught & rending
not entirely necessary if u don't want to magdump crusher with ur gun

[deft crystal]

Do invig and agile really take priority over bring it down?

[tawdry jackal]

i can give up rending and a extra talent on infiltrate for superiority complex

[deft crystal]

and the toughness boost

[tall torrent]

you're trying to play knife (the highest point cost melee for veteran)

[tawdry jackal]

i plan to chainaxe the crushers

either saw their heads or get behind and tear them apart'

gun i wanna use on the boss and to handle elites as i run and gun. But like its nice to be able to dunk a crusher if needed

[deft crystal]

P sure the stam curio and dodge distance make up for invig tho right?

[tawdry jackal]

keeping onslaught and dropping rending to get superiority complex back

[rocky jacinth]

you don't need bring it down to wreck crushers with knife/revolver, and you won't be doing sick boss damage with the revolver without stacking real damage on it

[deft crystal]

or is it just a preference at that point

[tawdry jackal]

alternatively can drop onslaught and keep rending strikes

[deft crystal]

I dont find myself having issues with stam management

[analog yacht]

agile is 25% so you just take it tbh. invig for stam heavy weapons

[tall torrent]

invigorated = you'll always have stamina in combat
and u can bypass the need for stam curio by taking +2 stamina perk on knife

knife is so RNG heavy that outside of carapace it doesn't have major benefits from other dmg perks

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/8zKhDv4.png alternative

[scarlet lintel]

Anyone have a build for the double barrel?

[deft crystal]

This is disgusting

I mean good

but like

ew

[rocky jacinth]

this is what i run for WS/AE revolver but i like tac axe and hsword

[tawdry jackal]

the smoke nade is just for the penance

[tawdry jackal]

k which part

[deft crystal]

Ah

I just hate smokes and vet stealth

[tawdry jackal]

yeah if i didn't want to earn the drip i would never run that shit

and i normally dont stealth but ive seen some infil vets save matches

so im trying to see if I can learn to clutch for the team and also handle objectives/revives etc

[analog yacht]

imo frag and ammo aura aren't worth the extra points required. There's enough ammo on the map unless your team is turbo washed

[deft crystal]

drop 25% unyield or flak for the 2 stam

Im dropping flak

[analog yacht]

I assume flak is important for rager breakpoint but idk

[rocky jacinth]

ammo is always god tier compared to the others, and about frags, i gotta admit i run kraks myself but with knife it's SO worth going for

[deft crystal]

YEa

ok

[rocky jacinth]

frags shit on kraks all day for almost anything, especially when you have a knife with uncanny

[deft crystal]

im sticking to the +3 stam curio and invig

with agile

[keen sedge]

veteran chat, psyker here
should i master powersword, boltgun or helborne first
i alr mastered plasma and shovel

[tawdry jackal]

boltgun or helbore

[deft crystal]

then ill just go in without 25% toughness node

[tall torrent]

I run +25% carapace & +2 stamina

[tawdry jackal]

i highly recommend the boltgun

[tall torrent]

Knife has like 75% crit chance in combat with riposte

It’s so RNG heavy that building for specific non-crit breakpoints is sorta pointless

[tall torrent]

Boltgun

[deft crystal]

'

[deft crystal]

Unless u use the logic of hits 50% of the time 100% of the time

[tall torrent]

Flak changes 1 breakpoint with flesh tearer
Unyielding is just boss damage, it kinda doesn’t matter that much for knife

And that revolver is unfortunately missing breakpoints

Maniac + unarmored is the way

[deft crystal]

revolver is meant to be my boss killer

does chunks

[tall torrent]

Do u run exe stance with it or smth

[junior haven]

Its chunky even.

[rocky jacinth]

abandon all delusions of boss killing

[deft crystal]

No

shout

and focus target stacks

[tall torrent]

Ok then don’t run those perks

[pseudo fiber]

the green brauto sounds really bad audio wise. Am I the only one who hears this?

[tall torrent]

And don’t run focus target for it lol

[analog yacht]

kraks + shout to stun lock boss while you weakpoint it repeatedly w/ revolver

[rocky jacinth]

i have unyielding on my knife that i run with my funny lasgun build and while it does solo bosses it.. takes a while

[junior haven]

Abandon knife. Embrace heavy sword.

[deft crystal]

mmm

[drowsy aspen]

Peenortration

[deft crystal]

Ik IK

[drowsy aspen]

🤨

[analog yacht]

perks 🤔

[tall torrent]

Yea
Maniac & unarmored change breakpoints for revolver

[deft crystal]

Lookin at it rn

[tall torrent]

As weird as it is, several weapons benefit from unarmored perk

[deft crystal]

its nutty but my carapace needs!!

[tall torrent]

Have u considered that u have a knife

[deft crystal]

holy sh

[junior haven]

Have you considered heavy sword?

Ignore me. I'm just bored waiting for my day to wrap up.

[idle pecan]

is this worth buying

[tall torrent]

No
Unless u don’t have a plasma gun at all

Then maybe ?

If you don’t care about perfect rolls

[idle pecan]

i sacced most of my guns with the new update cuz the stats were cheeks

[tall torrent]

Yea but this is not a perfect roll

[idle pecan]

also have this

[tall torrent]

This one is better

A bit lower on ammo but it’s better

[junior haven]

Could snackrifice the blue one to get your mastery higher so you can finish upgrading this one, tho.

[analog yacht]

i was under the impression that charge rate didn't matter unless you were standing there spamming full charge shots

since they change to how charge % applies to damage

[tall torrent]

This is not true, charge rate affects regular shots’ pre-fire delay, resulting in a firerate difference

[idle pecan]

what are the best blessings for the infantry lasgun

[tall torrent]

It’s a “better feeling” kind of thing

[analog yacht]

Ahh I see

[tall torrent]

There’s ~8.5% firerate difference between 60% charge rate and the optimal 71~72% charge rate

[analog yacht]

I assume you recommend a specific thermal resist for breakpoint on how many shots you can fire before 100% heat

[tall torrent]

Yes

[analog yacht]

makes sense

[tall torrent]

It’s somewhere like 68+decimal

So safe recommendation is 69

Just in case rounding screws u over

[junior haven]

Here's a legit question for you path. Have you noticed psword charging seems to dissipate a lot faster now after the patch? Use to charge and be able to hold a swing but now it feels like it's fading way faster.

[tall torrent]

I think it’s been reported as a bug?

[junior haven]

Good. That has been frustrating.

[tall torrent]

If it’s intended, it’s a pretty big nerf to power sword

[analog yacht]

didn't they specifically say that they lengthened it in patch notes?

or did I dream that

[tall torrent]

That’s thunder hammer

[analog yacht]

spaghetti code

[tall torrent]

Empower duration 3s -> 5s

[junior haven]

Its definitely not lasting longer. I can promise you that.

[tall torrent]

Thunder hammers’ empower does last longer

But power sword is behaving weirdly

[junior haven]

Ye. Meant psword.

[analog yacht]

somewhere in the code power sword length is actually inverse of thammer /s

[junior haven]

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s shovels are coded as “combat axe”

[idle swallow]

I can't believe they nerfed psword it was so weak I'll never forgive shirtfart for this

[tame lodge]

💀

[tall torrent]

Combat axe -> combat_axe_p1
Tactical axe -> combat_axe_p2
Sapper shovel -> combat_axe_p3

Psyker’s brain burst/rupture is coded as “smite”

Psyker’s smite is coded as “chain_lightning”

[analog yacht]

throwback to v2 elf glaive being elf_axe

tbf it is an axe mislabeled as a glaive

[tropic abyss]

so someone said they use the mk I shovel instead of the others

I've been trying it and it's actually not that bad against armour

not as good but having stagger on demand is nice

and it fucks ragers hard

stab in the face completelly cock blocks them

[tawdry jackal]

@tall torrent i see you recommended the unarmed damage perk for the Lucius Mk V helbore. Could you explain why? Its rare I see unarmored mentioned for a recommended perk in your guide

[rocky jacinth]

i just noticed something interesting about the combat stim in the psykhaneum, the rending doesn't seem to stack at all with uncanny strike

[tall torrent]

Dreg gunner 1HS

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha

makes sense

thought it would have keyed off of maniac or something but ya makes sense

[tall torrent]

Because >100% rending does nothing

Rending has internal cap of 100%

[rocky jacinth]

yeah but isn't stim meant to give 25%

rather i should correct, frags do the same damage under stim as they do under uncanny

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike is 120%

Plus 25%

[rocky jacinth]

2 frags take a crusher to 50%, 3 frags kill

[tall torrent]

Downscaled to 100% because rending >100% does nothing

[tall torrent]

Unless they removed this part somehow

[rocky jacinth]

yeah i said something dumb there, i meant that they seem to give the same total effect

[tall torrent]

Red stim also gives +25% total strength

[rocky jacinth]

yeah see, but if that was true stacking them would make the nades do more damage but they don't

uncanny, stim, or both combined all take the crusher down to half with 2 nades

is this another inconsistency with the psykhaneum or actually real

or does the strength only apply to the initial blast and bleed has a hard cap on rending?

[idle pecan]

what is technically is BiS in each weapon slot

Plasma Gun and Power Sword?

[primal zealot]

I’d argue recon and not power sword

[idle pecan]

pulled this after you said that lmao

[primal zealot]

That’ll do lol

[idle pecan]

does that 1% collateral matter

[primal zealot]

No

[idle pecan]

ok

[primal zealot]

Collat is only stagger on it anyways and it barely staggers