veteran-class

[hearty panther]

no need for exploit weakness

its genuinely just bad

and hunters resolve vs. low profile on infil: both nodes together is counter productive, and between the two low profile is much better

[tawdry jackal]

Gotcha

[hearty panther]

so that frees you two points

[tawdry jackal]

Hammers doc recommend superiority complex for chainaxe

[hearty panther]

ye i was basically eyeing the same thing

[tawdry jackal]

Running the mk4 for heavy swings to do some horde clear as a stop gap

[hearty panther]

mk12 is just kinda better

[tawdry jackal]

Smoke is honestly for the penance

Though I can switch marks

[hearty panther]

but its ur preference really

wait chaxe or chord

chaxe right

[tawdry jackal]

I was hoping to manually rev heavy strikes to dig into someone’s ass

Chaxe

Yes

[hearty panther]

my fucken brain

[tawdry jackal]

Light autorev is the mk4

Heavy autorev is the mk 12

I’m petting the cat rn so I’m not at my pc to check the damage

[tall torrent]

missing Boltpistol breakpoints be like:

[tawdry jackal]

I hear ya but the smoke grenade is for the penance

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is pretty hard to build

[tawdry jackal]

I’m open to another sidearm cause I wanna focus on chainaxe here

Could also put a recon las on it

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe finesse is low

U don’t specifically need reciprocity & desperado for it

[obsidian mesa]

What perks and blessings should i use on power sword

[tawdry jackal]

Nm just saw what you said

[tall torrent]

Mk6
Elite + maniac
Power cycler + brutal momentum/sunder

[tawdry jackal]

I heard shredders and bolt pistol with a certain blessing turns out to be a p fun time

And that might be a good VoC build

Although fuck this build itself is flawed

No way to get nades back

[tall torrent]

Well

[tawdry jackal]

Could swap 10% melee for demo team or demo stockpile

[tall torrent]

Do u need weapon specialist

[tawdry jackal]

I’m not sure I do but I like the idea of it

[tall torrent]

It’s strong yes

But

Boltpistol is specifically a really weird gun because it needs an absurd level of investment in ranged damage

To get its breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Not to say that u can’t play it without those breakpoints

But then you have to be very crit reliant

[tawdry jackal]

Got it so I’m thinking the bolt pistol for this chainaxe is not a good companion

[tall torrent]

This is still not hitting breakpoints for Boltpistol

[tawdry jackal]

Could you suggest an alternate ranged weapon please?

Maybe IAG?

[tall torrent]

I think Boltpistol is not a good companion gun, period

It’s Boltgun but pistol, u gotta respect it with the same level of point investment as Boltgun

[tall torrent]

Laspistol / infantry autogun

Zarona revolver (always strong)

[tawdry jackal]

I think laspistol would be a great change of pace

[obsidian mesa]

What talents should i use for power sword

[magic trout]

Talents or perks?

[tropic abyss]

trench drill fighter
what weapon?

have you tested it against Skirmisher? with the shovel, I find Skirmisher superior

[tall torrent]

There are very few situations where skirmisher is good

[tropic abyss]

how does that not also apply for TDF?

[obsidian mesa]

Talents

[magic trout]

Going for a melee build? 🤔
Give me a moment

[tall torrent]

While +10% attack speed is not flat attack speed (it’s animation speed), it does make weapon combos smoother to execute, and noticeably improves dps for most weapons that rely on light/heavy spam

Skirmisher has uptime problems

[tawdry jackal]

Chainaxe and columnus IAG

[obsidian mesa]

Okay thanks

[tawdry jackal]

Oh fuck I forgot reciprocity

Idk it’s kinda hard to get all the recommended talents for each gun

I’m still poking around. Think I’m just gonna focus on the melee and treat the ranged weapon as a secondary

[tropic abyss]

Onslaught is huge on the autoguns

[magic trout]

@obsidian mesa

[cyan anchor]

is it getting kills or completing missions that gives mastery xp

[tall torrent]

Nah it only really matters vs crushers

[slow spade]

missions from what I can tell

[magic trout]

Completing missions.
Depends on the difficulty, higher difficulties gives more exp

[obsidian mesa]

Thanks

[tall torrent]

But there’re better options for carapace damage

It’s just a “fun” magdump node

[magic trout]

Damnation gives exp enough for 3 levels, damnation maelstrom up to 5

[tropic abyss]

it also applies to unyielding and maniac

[tall torrent]

This depends on the weapon, and for infantry autogun at least it doesn’t help much

[tawdry jackal]

Ok here we go

[tall torrent]

You need to know weapons’ innate Armor damage modifiers to know whether rending/brittleness would be doing a lot

[tawdry jackal]

Vraks IAG and chainaxe. Smokes I gotta figure out but I figure if I smoke out the gun line that’s one use

[tropic abyss]

you're talking a lot of nodes that apply on ability actiavation
along with the ability with the highest cooldown

[tawdry jackal]

I’m assuming I’m going to be alone

Like not always but I understood infiltrate to be the “go get the bros talent

[magic trout]

Why choosing bring it down instead of rending strikes?

[tropic abyss]

rending strikes is great

[tawdry jackal]

Should be both

If it’s not I must have made a mistake

[tropic abyss]

I go down that tree even thought I don't like focus target at all just because of rending strikes

[tall torrent]

Because rending is not a flat damage increase and its effectiveness depends on ur weapons

[tropic abyss]

elaborate

[tawdry jackal]

In this case I’m selecting weapons and picking talents that your doc says are recommended for those weapons

Doing my best to have all or at least most recommended talents

[tall torrent]

It’s in my guide

[tropic abyss]

link?

[magic trout]

But flat damage will be lesser because damage resistance but rending does provide -10% of damage resistance

[tall torrent]

Check pinned

[tall torrent]

No

This depends on the weapon

[tawdry jackal]

Considering going surprise attack for a 5s nuke build

[hearty panther]

tfw i pursue a line for two hours build crafting just to have it turn out exactly like azraels build. again

[tall torrent]

If your weapon does let’s say 0.8x of its base damage against carapace armor

+10% rending changes that to 90% base damage vs carapace
However, BID is +20% damage, which makes it 0.8 x (1+20%) = 96% of its base dmg vs carapace

[magic trout]

This info is provided by dataminers or testing?

[tall torrent]

Both?

It’s just how rending works

[magic trout]

I not joking, srry to be sceptical
I just wanted to know where this info come

[tropic abyss]

how do I post pics in here?

[tall torrent]

Almost everything in my guide is fact checked or can be backed with evidence

U can safely use it

[left patrol]

snoteran

[uncut ocean]

Trying out the plasmagun for the first time, the fire delay feels a bit odd coming from the bolter. Do charged bolts have an aoe or is it just more damage?
Also what's the dump stat on the combat knoife?

[hearty panther]

hes lying he basically wrote stuff and then shook a magic 8ball after every full sentence

[magic trout]

Link?

[tall torrent]

It’s pinned here

I’m gonna rename myself to “check pin for veteran guide” or smth

[magic trout]

I am writing from my cellphone, i cant see rn pinned messages

[tropic abyss]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[magic trout]

Just more damage, but they dont really worth it

[tall torrent]

Charged shots have more cleave but aren’t worth using

Knife dump stat is mobility

[magic trout]

Go for normal shots, charge rate is a dump stats on a plasma gun

[tall torrent]

Untrue

Plasma is the only weapon in the game without a dump stat

[magic trout]

Why?
If you rely on charged shots you will explode, also increase a lot the heat .
So maybe not dump but no to useful stat.

[tall torrent]

Charge rate affects uncharged shots’ pre-fire delay, and therefore rate of fire

There’s a specific stat in thermal resist where going above it doesn’t net you more shots you can fire before u reach 100% heat

[magic trout]

Wait what?

[tall torrent]

And since charge rate affects your general firerate, and therefore dps

It’s the only weapon in the game where none of the 5 stats are dump

[tropic abyss]

just tested it and with rending strikes I can reliably kill a crusher by magdumping on his face, I still get like 10 rounds left in the mag

with Bring It Down I can only kill it when crits proc

[tall torrent]

This is because infantry autogun has very low carapace ADM

[hearty panther]

i just dump ammo because fuck it

[tall torrent]

But you could just
Bring a melee that kills carapace for u

[tawdry jackal]

As always, appreciate yall help

[tall torrent]

Instead of having to spend ammo

[tropic abyss]

I use the shovel special

but still

speaking of which, bring it down increases the damage but it's still two hits to kill

with shovel, that is

[odd sparrow]

charged shots have more cleave, dont think hit box is bigger

[ancient path]

jees

dueling swords are really, really good

spammable lights horde clearing lol

dodge that sends you to detroit and back

[odd sparrow]

it was also balanced around being on a class with no melee synergy

[ancient path]

lol

[hearty panther]

psyker has loads of melee synergy

[odd sparrow]

well yeah nowadays

[hearty panther]

it just didnt have a lot of melee survivability

no even before

what effed you was that only melee crits were giving you toughness

so you needed other generators. still super good on psyker ofc

[ancient path]

i suspect this to get nerfed but stop nerfing fun in coop games, devs lol

"whoa now youre having too much fun gotta stop that"

[hearty panther]

veteran is constantly killing elites for ridiculous regen and zealot dodges forever doing the same thing

[magic trout]

While psyker only needs to crit and do damage

[odd sparrow]

psykers are made of paper compared to every otther class tho

[ancient path]

how do you guys like deadshot for bolt pistols

[odd sparrow]

very good

[ancient path]

tryna see if i wanna drop it for no man left behind

randoms die a lot sometimes

[tropic abyss]

deadshot eats stamina

not good

[ancient path]

i only play deadshot with duck and dive lol

[tropic abyss]

duck and dive is good, there's OP synergy with that and the Stripped Down blessing

but instead of deadshot you can get precision strikes which much superior

[magic trout]

Made of paper but they can wipe out a full horde of flak ragers in seconds 🤣
i fcking love my purgatus staff 🔥

[umbral scaffold]

Are there any good shotguns

[ancient path]

i believe shotguns are in a good spot

[umbral scaffold]

I haven’t kept up with Darktide in months because I’ve been away from the internet

[magic trout]

Ironhelm - Kantrael

[odd sparrow]

double barrel shotgun is pretty good with weapon specialist

[magic trout]

Ironhelm is just a monster that will kill most of the time a lot of enemies in a single double shot

[terse idol]

This just ain't a hd2 situation

[ancient path]

yes

and sm2

[magic trout]

You will see a LOT of bloodsplatter in your screen

[terse idol]

The game is pretty well balanced

Sm2 is...

[ancient path]

yeah now lol

[terse idol]

I mean i guess it did get balance

[terse idol]

Yesss

But again!

Need balance in mah pve game

[winter grove]

Nah

Not paper

Glass

You can't really break paper with a hammer

[umbral scaffold]

As veteran?

This new update kinda confuses me

Cause I’m looking at the marks for the combat shotty and double barrel

[tall torrent]

It’s copium

[magic trout]

Yes

[ancient path]

wdym

[tall torrent]

In like every scenario where deadshot might be good for breakpoints & recoil reduction, exe stance does its job better

[magic trout]

I think the currebt names are crucis - acatran

[tall torrent]

Double barrel shotgun is ok

[ancient path]

oh. well i run voc for my bolt pistol + melee weapon build

[umbral scaffold]

The new farming strategy is sacrificing a bunch of blue tier weapons right

[tall torrent]

Green tier

[magic trout]

But like somebody +1000 messages above.
"You need to have very good fundamentals to use it and not constantly fall"

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is a very hard weapon to build breakpoints for

[tall torrent]

As for this, not necessarily

[magic trout]

You did really changed your name 🤣

[tall torrent]

The worst case scenario for exe stance are:

1. you’re stuck in 1v1 vs a melee boss as last man standing
2. you’re fighting bulwark packs
3. you got blasted by shotgunners

But in terms of toughness sustain, exe stance is usually not bad

U kill things to get toughness

[tall torrent]

Yea

[undone jungle]

pretty much all of them depending on what build you wanna run

agripinaa is a decent special sniper esp on veteran because it owns with the weakspot damage talent, lawbringer with scattershot and man-stopper can do silly amounts of horde-clear while still being half decent at special sniping and mowing down ragers, kantrael has a meme build with weapon specialist where you can apply bleed and fire DOT on a single shot, also pairs very well with No Respite blessing letting you two tap damn near everything. the double-barrel is honestly probably in the weakest spot, which is a shame because if it had No Respite it'd absolutely rock

[clever hedge]

the double barrel works really well in hybrid shoot/mellee builds

[undone jungle]

ig it can 1 tap mutants/reapers/bulwarks but has dookie special sniping and ammo economy in comparison to the combat shotties, still a very fun weapon specialist wep

yurppp

it works, its just a tiny bit behind imho

but it has its niche

[clever hedge]

there is a talent that reloads partial mag on mellee kill so you can loop one shot one mellee kiil chains

[undone jungle]

if it had no respite imho it'd btfo kantrael actually

[clever hedge]

agreeded

a very memey build for the shotty but how vetern can make it work

[elfin orchid]

do you have a method to deal with disablers/specials from any sort of distance

[undone jungle]

zealot probably makes a bit better use of it since knives let zealot crossmap snipers and trappers lol

[clever hedge]

praying to B ig E himself

[elfin orchid]

this is why flamer is good, cuz knife covers the lack of hvt sniping and melee can easily cover armored targets

and then flamer go brrr on crowds

wonderful kit

[clever hedge]

true, zeolot knives are preety good if you can aim them

facts

[somber adder]

Nope, does not synergize with any toughness regen abilities, just enhances the base toughness regen speed and shortens the time it takes to start after taking damage

[elfin orchid]

i do like double barrel but it leaves you pretty vulnerable to gunners and flamers and such

[undone jungle]

yeah I recommend rebinding blitz to a mouse button. Really helps accuracy

I did middle mouse and it made knives go from shit to great in one game lol

[clever hedge]

damn ok will have to try that

worked wonder when I put ping on the mouse side buttons

[elfin orchid]

i need to see about putting blitz on E

[undone jungle]

I like knives but I don't run flamer much anymore. I run them on boltgun instead actually since the buff made it super nice to use even in zealot

[clever hedge]

also just sounds so cool

[elfin orchid]

Ill probably put interact on X or C or smthn

[undone jungle]

I run ability on C lol

[elfin orchid]

i like ability on F

familiar bind from other games with similar things

G has and always will be a bad bind for grenades though

[undone jungle]

it's so funny getting 2x more special and disabler kills than the exec. stance recon lasgun vet that has died to snipers 8 times that game while running flamer + knives

[elfin orchid]

throwing knifes OP

[undone jungle]

snipers are allergic to knives

[clever hedge]

@elfin orchid agreed

also yes

snipers hate knives

ya that vet should go plasma

way easier to headshot with

and kills crrushers

[undone jungle]

and trappers (also pox bursters once you learn their headshot hitbox is above their right shoulder)

[clever hedge]

that explains so many things

[undone jungle]

I refuse to use plasma ngl it's good but I do not like using it

[elfin orchid]

i will probably be using vraks ia forever lol

[clever hedge]

completely fair

but honestely post update joined the recon lasgun party

doge half a mag sniper

[elfin orchid]

it helps that its also on psyker and zealot so i dont need to learn multiple recoil patterns and habits n such

[undone jungle]

Recon is fun ngl I've actually been experimenting with the worst lasgun in the game (it's literally only usable with the autofire mod lmao)

[clever hedge]

ya cross classing more weapons was great for that

oh the charging one

[undone jungle]

nope

The blue normal ass lasgun that gives you RSI

slap deadly accurate and headhunter on it and you can actually make it a pretty good machine. you NEED an autoclicker though if you cherish your fingers

[elfin orchid]

i do not like the infantry lasguns

[clever hedge]

same crab

[undone jungle]

I just mod the shit out of my game to make it look like a hellgun and pretend to enjoy it

😭

[clever hedge]

😭 😅

[undone jungle]

I only like the blue one and only because of AutoFire mod

the other ones feel pooup

[umbral scaffold]

I love infantry lasguns

[undone jungle]

the blue one feels poop without deadly accu and headhunter too it's actually so bad without those two lmao

[slow spade]

thousands of enemies per mission

semi-auto guns

classic

[umbral scaffold]

Not a problem

Full auto is a meme

[slow spade]

tell that to the gunners

[umbral scaffold]

That I kill regularly with my semi autos

[slow spade]

all the people running gunner resist UwU

[undone jungle]

blue lasgun should be full auto by default because I end up getting top elite/special/disabler kills with it while it somehow holds back aurdamn hordes lmao

unusably bad without an autoclicker it's insane

[austere mica]

Everything can have full auto

Makes laspistol bearable

[undone jungle]

I forgot laspistol isn't full auto in vanilla

it's goated on psyker

[clever hedge]

plasma pistol next update?

Secrets of the machine god part 2?

[austere mica]

I hope not

[undone jungle]

plasma pistol would be goated but tbh I want a longlas more than anything

[austere mica]

We still have yet to actually balance normal plasma

[clever hedge]

would love to see longlas

[austere mica]

I think longlas would be really weird in DT

[clever hedge]

and maybe that comes with the pistol? Balance anyone?

[undone jungle]

and give ogryn stub cannon (literally just a big ass revolver)

[austere mica]

Wouldn’t fit all to well

[undone jungle]

imho it'd be a cool ability or even blitz if we ever get ratling character

[austere mica]

All of our engagements take place within 60 m tops

[clever hedge]

ogryn could also get heavy bolter

[austere mica]

FS says no ratlings

[undone jungle]

FS can suck my fat

[umbral scaffold]

Longlas when people can barely handle the normal infantry lasgun

[undone jungle]

👎 👎 👎

[umbral scaffold]

Even tho the infantry las gun provide enough fire rate as is

[undone jungle]

give us ratlings gosh darn it

they're so fuckiung stupid

give me tiny little stupid hobbits

[clever hedge]

skitari class is probly more likely

[umbral scaffold]

No fun allowed

[austere mica]

The reason they provided is that they wouldn’t work with the levels

[clever hedge]

makes sense

[austere mica]

Wouldn’t be able to see shit

[undone jungle]

give them a larger jump so you gotta jump to shoot

😭

[austere mica]

That would suck

[umbral scaffold]

Imagine being the one ratling in a team of three Ogryns

[clever hedge]

smaller base character models need whole level redsign

[elfin orchid]

what ratlings are we talking about

[austere mica]

Means you couldn’t dodge and shoot against ranged enemies

[undone jungle]

space hobbits in 40k

confusing i know

[elfin orchid]

fun

look i saw ratling and immediately thought of the vt2 enemy

[austere mica]

If we get a mechanicus class it’s going to be some bottom rung tech adept

[clever hedge]

so skitari? Beastmen? Hive gangsters?

[undone jungle]

beastmen never since GW probably forgot they exist

😭

[austere mica]

Beastmen also aren’t terribly unique gameplay wise

[brave bear]

wtf I've been sleeping on the bolt pistol

it's crazy good

this is my first time trying it

[clever hedge]

correct

[austere mica]

It can crusher oneshot

I can get the video in a second

[brave bear]

it can do so much and it's so light and easy to reload, it's fkin awesome

it's what I remember the bolt gun was when it was at its best

[austere mica]

12 seconds or so

[umbral scaffold]

I love the bolt pistol

[brave bear]

damb nice

[umbral scaffold]

At first I didn’t think much of it I was wondering how the bolt pistol could be notable

[austere mica]

Only conditions with this build is 10 stacks MF, exe stance, and a crit

[umbral scaffold]

But actually trying it and it is one of my more high performing weapons

[austere mica]

I'm trying to find a way to not use MF (I don't like it) but the only other way is focus target

Which is inconsistent

[brave bear]

yee I thought it would be like a sluggish revolver, kind of like an awkward middle step between that and the bolt gun

but honestly it kinda feels better than the bolt gun and idk why

tbf I've not played a lot with the bolt gun as of late

[brave bear]

I like weapons specialist a lot and it has performed well with that keystone to me

[austere mica]

The funny part about standard boltgun is that it can't do this

[brave bear]

I like swapping between and I can get a good rhythm going without burning through ammo

[brave bear]

yeh honestly I'm not surprised, I feel like the bolt pistol does more damage

[austere mica]

Weapon spec doesn't provide any damage sadly

[austere mica]

Its deadly accurate alone that makes this possible

[brave bear]

woah actually looking at damage output they're both at 545

so bolt pistol literally has same damage

ooohh I just realized why it's so good, I think, to me

I put 10% ranged weak spot dmg on it for fun and then now I noticed I also have the 'precision strikes' talent that gives you an extra 30% weak spot damage

and honestly I mostly get weak spot hits, not to brag or anything

[austere mica]

Do not the weakspot damage

Its calculations suck

an armor type is way better

[brave bear]

sure, usually do that but if it works it works

might try unyielding or something on it

in the future

we'll see

[hearty panther]

man i love xstance now

[austere mica]

Bolt pistol has a 1.6 weakspot/crit modifier and a weakspot bonus only increases the EXTRA damage (the .6) so you only get 6% damage from the perk, not 10%

[tall torrent]

What’s inconsistent about focus target

[austere mica]

Its uptime for the damage required to get the oneshot

[tall torrent]

Do you not run redirect fire?

[austere mica]

That isn't enough for the stupid BP

[tall torrent]

Which breakpoint

Boltpistol?

[austere mica]

crusher oneshot on bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

Oh

That’s a meme-tier breakpoint tho

[austere mica]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

It’s not worth building for

[austere mica]

But I am trying to optimize it because its funny

I also want it for a bistol propaganda video that takes the least time possible

[shadow fable]

perks and blessings for chainaxe?

[brave bear]

then supposedly a total of 24% with my talent, unless I'm missing something?

or if my math is crap rn

[austere mica]

Welcome to finesse damage calcs

[brave bear]

I'm sure there's lots to it but in the end I'm gonna go with "if it works, it works"

[austere mica]

Precision strikes the talent is good because its just competing with suppression immunity and deadshot and routes to extra ammo and Superiority complex

[brave bear]

if I end up wanting to have fun and slap an armor modifier on there, I'll do that

[brave bear]

is superiority complex a keystone?

[austere mica]

No

Its the +15% elites damage

I love that having a complex makes your gun shoot harder, but only versus some stuff

[tall torrent]

If u run a +25% damage perk instead of +10% weakspot, on top of +30% weakspot:
+25% damage perk: 1(0.6x1.3+1)x1.25 = 2.225 which is ~39% more than base headshot damage
+10% weakspot: 1(0.6x1.4+1) = 1.84 which is ~15% more than base headshot damage

That’s a pretty big difference

[austere mica]

Somebody thought that this is intuitive and makes sense without actually looking at how the game calculates things

[slow spade]

yeah can't even blame anyone for taking weak spot or crit stuff

"all these crit buffs? Why not stack crit damage" Fatshark why...

[brave bear]

ah I meant if it was part of the talent tree, is all

sry, said wrong thing

I never go for crit damage or crit chance in any games anyway

I don't like leaving things up to luck when you can just use skill

[tall torrent]

Crit chance can be good on some weapons in this game

Recon lasgun & infantry autogun, for example

[slow spade]

spoken like someone that hasn't made a crit build

[tall torrent]

Ogryn’s stubber, potentially

[brave bear]

ye I could see that

[brave bear]

it's just not my thing

couldn't convince me of trying it, I'm stubborn as hell and make things work even if it doesn't always work for others

I do that in all games

[brave bear]

I've seen numbers like this before but honestly I can't be arsed

what works works and what's fun is fun

if I try 25% damage like I do with literally every other weapon then I'll do that

but rn I just slapped on whatever and had fun with it, and in my case it worked

[tall torrent]

Basically, use whatever damage perks that gives u the most amount of important breakpoints

If weakspot hits everything, that’s great (this basically never happens)

[umbral scaffold]

weakspot's great fro if youve got a great aim

[brave bear]

🤷‍♂️

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s just really low benefit

There’re very few scenarios where it actually changes breakpoints

[sleek garden]

I am kinda the same way my friend is extremely lucky in general and wins little lottery things and always gets the good stuff from game loot

[umbral scaffold]

i imagine its like that atleast, i nvr use it

[sleek garden]

I'm not like that at all

Makes me jealous

[brave bear]

haha yeah I have crap luck so I just seethe when I see the words "CRIT CHANCE" in games lmao

or anything "CHANCE"

I'm like naww nvm that may as well say 0% bro

[sleek garden]

Deadshot in this game makes it pretty common

[brave bear]

I mean that's great that ppl have different methods for selecting weapons and all this kinda stuff but you could tell me I'd do twice the amount of overall damage and just steamroll every enemy and I'd still stubbornly stick to my own ways

[placid portal]

10% weakspot kinda weaksauce

[brave bear]

in a way, I see it part of the game to find a way to get better through fiddling with the guns and different loadouts, talents, etc.

there's so many combinations you can do that it's just limitless p much

[placid portal]

Even with dueling sword with weakspot is +40 damage on weakspot hit, no?

[hearty panther]

i knew it'd be great if they removed xstance getting dropped when unequipping your gun, but i really underestimated how awesome it is actually

[sleek garden]

infantry lasgun exec stance

love this build

i had lots of blocked attacks because i was using a combat axe

[umbral scaffold]

Good shit

Before the update that buffed ex stance I was still a simp for it

It’s only gotten better 👴

[trim steppe]

Remember the days when exec stance gave you 50% DR permanently? Good times

[tropic abyss]

can the helbore be good?

[elfin orchid]

whats your definition of good

theres good as in optimal and theres good as in gets the job done

[tropic abyss]

viable for auric

[elfin orchid]

yea

[tropic abyss]

how do I build it?

[karmic moat]

Hellbore go Stab

[lavish token]

Every weapon is auric viable

[austere mica]

Old helbore bayonet inheriting brutal momentum and limbsplitter without putting it on cooldown

[tropic abyss]

so it's just a lame melee weapon?

[molten oar]

It's a glorified sniper with a melee option

If you can line up shots anything dies in 1 hit

For weaker elites even a body hit is guaranteed 1 hit kill

Kinda bleh if u get swamped by mobs thoe

[tame lodge]

It's an elephant gun

[tropic abyss]

there's no elephants in 40K

only ogryns

[tame lodge]

[tropic abyss]

seems the infantry lasgun is superior

shame

[tame lodge]

Nah

[tropic abyss]

wish the helbore was good

[molten oar]

Not really

I find Infantry Lasgun very meh ngl

[tame lodge]

They are good
Just not for everyone

[molten oar]

More balanced, but meh

[tame lodge]

Surgical is mandatory

[tropic abyss]

the infantry lasgun is pretty good

just get the fast firing one and pop heads

i don't get the appeal of the recon

[tame lodge]

It's brrrr that can kill

Because Onslaught is a thing

And shock trooper

[molten oar]

Faster fire rate methinks

Even the fastest Infantry Las feels slow after I got Recon

[tropic abyss]

I guess...

but there's the autogun

anyway, back to the helbore

what would be the dump stat on it? Charge rate?

[tall torrent]

this is not true

[molten oar]

Autogun is useless the moment one spots anything with carapace

At least in my experience

[tall torrent]

helbore is a very headshot-reliant weapon

[tropic abyss]

autogun isn't great against carapace, but it can still kill carapace

[tame lodge]

Stability then ammo

[tall torrent]

bodyshots deal much much much lower dmg and take a lot longer to kill

[tall torrent]

full stability dump

[tropic abyss]

stability
on a gun that requires accuracy

[tall torrent]

charge rate is never dump

[tropic abyss]

no way that's real

[tame lodge]

It's also immune to suppression

[tall torrent]

no

[molten oar]

Yea but wasting 1/4 of ammo to down carapace is not exactly ideal

[tall torrent]

it just doesn't sway a lot

[tame lodge]

Helbores still winning

[tropic abyss]

magdump and you down a crusher, with a couple rounds to spare

[tame lodge]

🗣️

[molten oar]

Tbh anything that doesn't let me down anything within half a mag is a waste of ammo

Next thing I know, I killed 2 out of 8 crushers, outta ammo and royally fucked beyond comprehension

[trim steppe]

only with onslaught, and like why do onslaught with autogun, just bring kraks or an antiarmor melee

[tall torrent]

why not take a melee that can kill crushers

[tropic abyss]

I don't have onslaught

I have rending strikes

[molten oar]

The argument was what if autogun VS crusher

If I had the melee option ofc I wouldn't waste any ammo on a walking iron slab

[tropic abyss]

I have kraks and the shovel for carapace

but if need be, the autogun can do it

[tall torrent]

well, u have a lot of melee options that u shouldn't need to spec a gun to work on carapace

[molten oar]

True

Usually if I run autogun its the autogun for mobs, melee for elites

[tall torrent]

that's kind of

the reverse of what it should be

[tropic abyss]

the shovel is for hordes and carapace, in case I don't have a grenade

the autogun can deal with the rest

deep ammo pool and killing most normal enemies with 1-3 shots means you pretty much always have ammo

as long as you can aim

[molten oar]

Yea might be skill issue on my part

I ALWAYS run outta ammo on autogun

[orchid hemlock]

DS

It's actually a crime Fatshark let's us and Zealot use it

[austere bison]

double barrel shotgun any good? I like the idea of turning vet into doomguy basically but heard it kinda sucks and struggles to deal with basic specials like poxwalkers/hounds

[tall torrent]

what difficulty do u mainly play

[tame lodge]

Manstopper mandatory

[tall torrent]

it's strong if u pair with a high mobility anti-armor melee (knife / duelling sword)
range is very short, have to play super aggressive

[molten oar]

Malice

Easing myself into Heretic atm, but on Discord groups I can handle Damnation fairly well

[tame lodge]

Then path towards Weapon Specialist so you can have 38 bullets inside this double barreled shotgun

[molten oar]

Atm I have PS / Bolt Pistol

Started as Comissar larp but it actually kinda became viable

[tall torrent]

practice with melee more, u ideally want to be able to fight everything in this game without using a gun

[austere bison]

wanted to also give tac axe another shot as I havent played it in forever and heard it got some buffs, is there any clear winner for marks?

[molten oar]

I actually am murdering anything without carapace pretty comfortably now

For carapace it takes a bit if work but its not too painful

Gathering up dockets to upgrade atm

On Power Sword btw

[tall torrent]

power sword 2 hit kills crushers

[molten oar]

Yea but sword not fully upgraded, working on it

I believe I can get there on full upgrade

[tame lodge]

Mk2 is the popular one
I think it uses Shred and Brutal Momentum
I can't remember

[molten oar]

At this point I can 2 hit kill mutants tho

So that's nice

[austere bison]

thank you, any perks I should roll specifically for breakpoints or is it basically just crit/x for comfort

[tall torrent]

power sword can 1 hit kill mutants

and since malice has lower health pool than damnation, it shouldn't be hard at all

[tame lodge]

Flak and Unarmored iirc

[molten oar]

Right now I'm starting to play Heretic

Probably should try not Pub matches

[tame lodge]

Or Flak and Maniacs

[molten oar]

I run into idiots most of the time

[tame lodge]

Pubs is where it's at

[molten oar]

Asia servers is always 50/50 imo

Either I get idiots

Or 1 man carry gods

[tall torrent]

The fastest way to improve at this game is to run duo private

[tame lodge]

Though you could play with premades if you're not comfortable with pubs

Totally understandable

[molten oar]

Pubs are fine methinks

Tho I'd be damned if I go anything harder than Heretic on pub

Damnation on pub is a gamble

[tall torrent]

Damnation is easy

[regal smelt]

non auric heresy is the absolute worst place for pubs

[tame lodge]

I would've volunteered myself for premades
But the game is basically unplayable for me for the next week or so

[regal smelt]

This game really taught us the value of peer to peer over server side

[verbal burrow]

Yeah, gunners and shotgunners have certain body parts that are not flak but unarmoured, so you will put a plasma burst or bolt round through them and they will survive because your shot impacted their left forearm or something, smh

[tall torrent]

Heresy is the difficulty tier of mainly malice players who think they’re better than they actually are but aren’t good enough for damnation

It’s ok if u want to practice last man standing tho ig

But just go damnation at that point

Damnation rewards are just much higher

[regal smelt]

The filter that is carapace armor lol

[molten oar]

Dunno

I kinda quite like heresy pub, a bit more competent crews than on malice pub

[tall torrent]

Carapace definitely filters a lot of people

You can tell by the amount of people that think onslaught magdump crusher is peak gameplay

[verbal burrow]

100%. I gave to go to malice to obtain diamantine in peace because the heresy ones are silly dumb

[tall torrent]

Why not just spam damnation then

Damnation diamantine is 200~300 on avg

Malice is like barely a 100?

And u still have to take time to loot

[tough tiger]

I dunno why but lately ive been seeing plenty of ppl who recently reached lvl30 jump straight into auric mael

[verbal burrow]

After work I sometimes don’t want to think due to fatigue

[molten oar]

Damnation without a good crew feels kinda hard ngl

And nothing will change my mind that Auric is for masochists only

[tame lodge]

On this very specific case it's because I'm playing on wifi instead of cable for the next week or so
My ping doubled

[tall torrent]

Damnation usually doesn’t need too much thinking tbh

The specialist spawn rate is much lower than auric HiSTG

It’s like, at best 300 specialists & elites combined

[verbal burrow]

Yeah but there it’s all senses active, let instinct take the wheel, rather than “finally rest”

[regal smelt]

I mean if you're already connecting to a server that's not near you that understandable, but you must have some shit wifi connection

[tall torrent]

Fair ig

[regal smelt]

I only recently cabled, but it's not a big enough difference from even playing with a vpn to be unbearable

[molten oar]

Yea I'll never survive Auric

I already died within 15 seconds of Damnation Mael anyway kekw

[tame lodge]

Just the router being far away

[verbal burrow]

Nonsense

[tame lodge]

Got no money for longer cables rn

[regal smelt]

yeah that will do it, a few fucky walls that block signal to go through will suck too

[tall torrent]

I saw this being posted a while back and it still holds true imo

Steps of getting good in darktide :

• learn to block on sedition and uprising
• learn to dodge on malice (dodging melee , avoid getting disabled by specials/ push the poxburster)
• learn how to ping an enemy on heresy (tag special if you cant kill it)
• learn something called situational awareness on damnation ( your teammate are disabled, help them)
• in auric you learn the priority list (because there's always a special and elite , know which one to kill first)

[tame lodge]

just need to make it to paycheck

[regal smelt]

have you considered gambling

[molten oar]

Too much learning

Not enough shredding

[tame lodge]

🤮

[molten oar]

No wonder I'm a Zealot main

[tall torrent]

Malice tier zealot main is crazy news

[regal smelt]

all you need is one big win

[tame lodge]

I will not fall prey to luck in the hopes of good fortune
I will not fall prey to luck in the hopes of good fortune
I will not...

Heh me as Daemonhost

[tough tiger]

Damn this is great

[molten oar]

I do that every day

me when Genshin

[cyan anchor]

does anyone have a plasma gun build screen shot

[regal smelt]

you know to be fair this game was just the fucking rat cage in terms of gambling before last update

[molten oar]

Ngl tho I should really learn how to spot as Vet

[vernal rock]

It's 1 buttonpress

[molten oar]

Ahhh the days of Day 1 Darktide where I sit my ass on Armory for 3 hours to get good stats

[vernal rock]

Usually I just spam that button when I see a group of enemies

[regal smelt]

rebind tag off of mouse 3, spam it when you're actually looking for a special

[molten oar]

I play on controller

Mouse too janky

[vernal rock]

Spam LB brother

[molten oar]

Its on L1 thoe so not too bad

[vernal rock]

Or that yeah

[tall torrent]

Demo team & rending strikes are free points here, u can move based on what ur melee is

[molten oar]

But Zealot brain too ingrained, I tunnel Vision a lot

[green willow]

what is the build for the brrrrrt recon

[cyan anchor]

thx i might use the chain sword I love it

[regal smelt]

I mean you have to have ears out to dodge nets and push dogs/bursters, just turn around from the hoard when you hear a special sound que and start spamming

[tall torrent]

Then just use the exact build here

Plasma gun is however the hardest weapon to perfect roll in the game rn

I don’t recommend it

[tall torrent]

Try playing throwing knives more, it’ll prob help

[molten oar]

But gamba thoe

[regal smelt]

trying to get 76% burn on my purgas

[tame lodge]

Any preference for ability?

[tall torrent]

What

[molten oar]

I do

And I forget I have throwing knives 95% of the time lmao

[green willow]

still wanna run voice of command'

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u using on zealot

[molten oar]

Stat gambling on Brunt

[tough tiger]

Red flag

U cannot forget about tknives

[tall torrent]

He mainly plays malice rn, give him a break

[molten oar]

Eviscerator & Bolt Pistol

Second build is Flamer & uhhh havent decided what melee yet

[tall torrent]

Lots to learn

[tall torrent]

I recommend Boltgun

A true Chad weapon

Draw time so slow you’ll be forced to get good with throwing knives

[molten oar]

Tried it, not a fan of the slow draw speed

Might put it on Vet thoe

[tough tiger]

Ah ok nvm then

[tall torrent]

It’s strong for both veteran & zealot

But I do think u should force urself to use throwing knives more

It’s like a cheat path to getting good with zealot

[tough tiger]

U can skip boltgun pullout by using tknives

Press q and throw knife

Shoot right away

[molten oar]

I usually do more larp than meta builds ngl

Tho that reminds me, I might build a stealth zealot with knives

[tall torrent]

Zealot chat would like

Light u on a pyre for saying that lmao

[molten oar]

Ran into a stealth zealot the other day and seems like it kinda works

[tough tiger]

It always works

[tame lodge]

This should suffice

[molten oar]

They light anyone on fire for anything not a shreddy build kekw

[tough tiger]

Stealth zealot is pretty dirty if u know what you're doing

[tall torrent]

U can play larp builds and still be effective on zealot

Not so much on veteran

[molten oar]

Using a gun?

As Zealot?

heresy

~ Zealot chat, probably

[tall torrent]

No, it’s just that throwing knives do everything u usually need a gun for

Which is sniping specialists & ranged elites

And u can replenishment from melee kills

So u can just never run out

[molten oar]

My Comissar build is kinda comfy tho atm

But yea the fact its also Comissar means I rely on a competent Zealot to not get deleted

[tall torrent]

You could also be good enough that u can fight everything in the game all by itself

[molten oar]

Or a decent Psyker

[tall torrent]

Duo is a very fast way to improve

[molten oar]

Yea but where's the fun in 1 shotting everything

I like screaming for help on vox

[tame lodge]

Me as a zealot using a gun but not aiming down sights because the emperor guides my aim

[molten oar]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

ngl explode on point blank blessing is funny on Bolters

[turbid trail]

got a chain sword with 79 on damage and 61 on mobility. does the 1 percent matter?

[tame lodge]

Oh uh
Quick little story
My LB wore off from tagging a lot

That's like the only problem with my first controller

Lmao

[molten oar]

Not really, unless you're minmaxing methinks

Tho the perfect 80% just feels right

[turbid trail]

i guess ill just use it till the perfect roll comes haha

[tall torrent]

It’s fine
Unless u care about a statistically insignificant more perfect roll

But it’s really easy to roll 4x80+60 rn

[hollow phoenix]

Ok so being a crab is actually kinda fun lmao

[regal smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-writing-lobster-writes-speech-bubble-stan-twitter-gif-26079717

[shadow dagger]

i know a lot of people seem to like mk14 recon las over mk12 but something just doesnt feel right about it

am i just fireratepilled

[tough tiger]

U are xd

[hollow ibex]

it's mostly good for cleeeeave

[shadow dagger]

ive been babied by weapons specialist for too long

mk12 with 10 stacks kills everything between me and whatever i pinged fast enough for me to barely notice the lack of cleave

i guess i need to just get used to it

[tame lodge]

Enough to compete with my cleavepilled self

[rain verge]

hey guys i got a buddy using the power sword he was asking what are the good perks to put on his weapon if he will just use for horde clear and armored sometimes

[green willow]

I'm pretty crit-weakspotpilled myself

I want underbarrel attachment rifles

shotgun/grenade/plasma

[turbid trail]

are the pinned guides updated?

[tame lodge]

The first link is

[tropic abyss]

speaking of power sword

shouldn't it be a lot longer?

[turbid trail]

for chainsword why wrath and shred over rampage and savage sweep?

[shadow dagger]

the pinned guide has this sorta thing for all vet weapons

the scratched out bits are mostly unimportant for the average player

[rain verge]

thanks guys

[shadow dagger]

youll mostly be hordeclearing with heavy attacks

[tame lodge]

Depends on the chsword
XIIIg has or had a hard time with cleaving
So wrath or the way you use it solved that problem
Shred is for more crits because the chsword has no damage fall off on crits

[shadow dagger]

which from what i remember has enough cleave that you dont really need it

[turbid trail]

thanks for the help!

why does the guide stop being clickable after I click on like 3 things lol

[tall torrent]

Crit value is good because the “bonus damage from critical hits” is maintained through cleave, so shred is generally a good pick

Wrath is because XIIIg doesn’t have enough cleave on light attacks to consistently activate rampage vs higher mass horde enemies (bruisers)

On Mk IV this is not a problem, hence rampage

[tall torrent]

Web page problems, I would recommend u open it in MS word

[hollow phoenix]

Only 3 missions and I’m nearly at 1k/2.5k for Crab mode penance

[shadow dagger]

"only"

[hollow phoenix]

Thought it would take much longer

[tame lodge]

Well you are crab maxing

[carmine cradle]

what are yalls thoughts on botler on vet?

[tall torrent]

strong, needs heavy talent investment & exe stance, but very strong outside of C-I-VI

[quartz breach]

What is the current best current lasgun mark?

[carmine cradle]

Infantry or recon?

[deft crystal]

Thats preference tbh

I prefer infantry

Also

guys hear me out

[carmine cradle]

Recon is currently kinda broken when built correctly

[deft crystal]

Deadly + fire frenzy

[deft crystal]

relies to much on talents

[carmine cradle]

Recon lasgun + shout vet gives stealth dagger zealot a run for its money

[deft crystal]

imo

[carmine cradle]

To some degree, but also not just talents

[deft crystal]

I am also a melee vet

[carmine cradle]

You also need the correct blessings

Buuuuut

[green willow]

i'm interested

[deft crystal]

infernus and dumdum

[carmine cradle]

Of July correctly the shit u can do with it is nuts

[carmine cradle]

So basically, crits

[green willow]

I am interested even more

[carmine cradle]

Lots and lots and lots of crits

[green willow]

do you go for max firerate then

what does the talent tree look like

[carmine cradle]

Because one of the recon lasguns fires at mf 20 rounds a second

https://youtu.be/g8A7CxBl1SQ?si=htDzzFIKzoO1sEF7

You don’t have to follow the build exactly as long as you understand why he takes what he takes

Basically, you get your recon lasgun to Crit as much as possible

[tall torrent]

What’s the comparison here

[green willow]

[carmine cradle]

Crit shots don’t consume ammo

Crit shots apply 4 stacks of burn

Reminder ur rolling for a Crit 20 times per second

Ur gonna get several

[green willow]

it's so peak

going for it next

[carmine cradle]

It’s stupid strong this build just melts bosses

[green willow]

do you go for weapon mastery on it?

[carmine cradle]

And chaf

[green willow]

i wanna see the tree

[carmine cradle]

And specials

[tall torrent]

This is not really true

[carmine cradle]

And elites

[carmine cradle]

Oh but it is

[tall torrent]

Because it has an internal cap of 12

[tall torrent]

Oh but it isn’t

[carmine cradle]

I regularly have highest boss damage by a lot

[tall torrent]

You play III-V-E-G?

[carmine cradle]

I mostly been playing regular auric recently

Bit of auric maelstrom here and there

Part of what makes this build work is the vet talent that makes u apply brittleness on hit

[tall torrent]

This is not even close to the highest boss damage veteran builds

[carmine cradle]

Again, you fire 20 times per second

[tall torrent]

Again, you cap in 3 crits

It’s only 12 burn stacks

You can go check how much damage that really is

[radiant chasm]

Tbf by just focusing the boss

[carmine cradle]

Bolter beats it handily it’s true

[radiant chasm]

You’ll do most damage

[tall torrent]

What

[radiant chasm]

With the average pub team

[carmine cradle]

Autocorrect

[tall torrent]

Boltgun? Yea

Recon is pretty mid-low tier for boss dps on veteran

It’s a low unyielding ADM gun, you take rending to cope with that low ADM

[carmine cradle]

But bolt gun also doesn’t have 180 rounds in a mag

And reloads much slower

Much less uptime

[deft crystal]

Me with my dueling sword

[tall torrent]

There’re much much much higher boss dps tools for veteran than recon

[radiant chasm]

Iags, fanning revolver

[deft crystal]

Bolter will beat anything

P sure

[radiant chasm]

Maybe brautos and vags

[carmine cradle]

It IS a bolter

[radiant chasm]

Bolter is like A tier and has it’s own downsides

[carmine cradle]

But it’s mostly just how flexible the build is

[deft crystal]

Lies!!!

[carmine cradle]

You have so much ammo

[tall torrent]

Also, that guy takes flesh tearer + lacerate for the reason of “leaving enemies to die to bleed”

[carmine cradle]

And pretty high damage on most targets

[tall torrent]

So idk if u should take his words seriously lol

[deft crystal]

Ammo consumption is not real and cannot hurt you

[carmine cradle]

With loads of sustained fire

Just brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

[radiant chasm]

But besides bolter there is 4 families that do better boss damage

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is top 4~5th gun for veteran imo

[radiant chasm]

I mean yea if you want to brainlessly shoot into hordes sure

Or if you are on no ammo maelstroms

[carmine cradle]

Bolter, pretty much no matter how you build it, is gonna have ammo problems if you run it as a primary

[radiant chasm]

But for sheer ammo efficiency the fast helbore (and helbores in general) is better

[tropic abyss]

I like how this channel is talking about builds while the zealots are posting memes

[carmine cradle]

At least in my limited experience with it

[radiant chasm]

Not if you know how to path and check ammo spawn locations

[tall torrent]

Pretty much all ammo problems come down to inefficiency in looting

Outside of C-I-VI

[carmine cradle]

Which is great until I have teammates who would also like ammo please

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-stare-licking-lips-smell-check-gif-21267159

[stoic thorn]

The plasma gun

[carmine cradle]

Plasma is nuts

[radiant chasm]

You take survivalist, swap to melee and run and take it if you need ammo

[carmine cradle]

Won’t argue there

[deft crystal]

Revolver dueling with weapons spec GOES HARD btw

[tall torrent]

Yea, there’re like 3 builds outside of veteran that genuinely care about ammo, I think ur gonna be fine

[tall torrent]

Is not one of them

[carmine cradle]

Most zealot and ogryn builds are gonna want some ammo

[stoic thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[carmine cradle]

And it’s possible there will be a second or third veteran

[tall torrent]

I’m just speaking facts here, plasma is not a boss dps gun

[green willow]

I want to learn this psyker build

[radiant chasm]

They buffed ammo spawns a ton so besides no ammo maelstroms if you run out of ammo it’s your fault

[tall torrent]

Which?

[radiant chasm]

And you all benefit from survivalist

[carmine cradle]

Any of them with a gun

[gilded wraith]

Let's see.. columnus, agripinna revolver, what else?

[tall torrent]

Which builds, be specific

[carmine cradle]

True

[tall torrent]

Gunlugger yes he’ll need a lot
Kickback, some
Zealot??

[carmine cradle]

literally any build that brings a gun is going to shoot that gun

[radiant chasm]

Yes and their ammo needs especially with survivalist tend to be low

And an occasional small pack

You get most of the small packs and the large packs just learn to path

[tall torrent]

Do u use scoreboard mod
How many tin/bag do they take on avg

[carmine cradle]

I do use scoreboard, I do not recall

[radiant chasm]

There is like what 5000% worth of ammo in a map

[narrow frost]

f5 will show history

[tall torrent]

You can start tracking some of that, usually zealot doesn’t need a lot of ammo

[carmine cradle]

But I do play both zealot and ogryn, and yeah, I generally need to pickup ammo throughout a mission

[tall torrent]

Just because they will take some doesn’t mean they’re ammo reliant

[radiant chasm]

Sure recon is fun to meme but it’s dps isn’t insane it’s just good, with amazing economy

[tall torrent]

Throwing knives literally carry >80% of ur ammo economy on zealot

[real shoal]

It's usually like a couple smalls, a large, and whatever fair use from ammo crates per non-psyker.

[stoic thorn]

Oh recon isn't good?? Damn

[carmine cradle]

Nobody brings a gun to not fire said gun, if you do you should probably bring a different gun

[stoic thorn]

I've just been deleting whatever I've been looking at on malice

[radiant chasm]

But unless you are blasting at hordes and stealing toughness from melee you dont need that much ammo econ

[radiant chasm]

No

Recon is good

[stoic thorn]

Oh

[carmine cradle]

Recon is v good

[deft crystal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d499998-9615-456e-9e37-58b139355dd3/no-brain

[radiant chasm]

It is not amazing damage when compared to other options

[carmine cradle]

It’s not the best

But it’s flexible and easy to use

[radiant chasm]

You bring a gun to solve problems

[tall torrent]

Just because they take some ammo doesn’t mean they’re very ammo reliant, and there’s plenty of ammo in maps that it shouldn’t be a concern unless u have Gunlugger ogryn / gun psyker

[deft crystal]

I could probably take rending off for trench fighter

[carmine cradle]

bolter zealot

second vet

[stoic thorn]

I've been tryna use the infantry lasgun

[radiant chasm]

Bolter zealots save it for magdumps and will rely on your survivalist

[tall torrent]

Uses throwing knives >80% the time, and shouldn’t need a lot of ammo

Or they’re bad

Simple as

[radiant chasm]

Second vets have more ammo anyways lol

[real shoal]

Yeah, bolter and boltpistol are easy to waste ammo on.

[carmine cradle]

It doesn’t always matter, but again, Bolter does have other problems

[radiant chasm]

See idk about that

I never run out of ammo on bistol with survivalist in auric damn/maels

[deft crystal]

if ur magdumping and doing overkill dmg

[carmine cradle]

It’s slow, it’s unwieldy, it takes an annoying amount of time to reload

[tall torrent]

You’re valuing ammo a lot here when it’s not a big concern 90% the time

[radiant chasm]

Plus helbores are more ammo efficient

[carmine cradle]

It’s one of the bolters problems

[radiant chasm]

Hell the midrange infantry lasgun

[deft crystal]

Ammo drops make it so hard to run out

[real shoal]

Exactly. See crusher train? That's 15-30 rounds.

[stoic thorn]

Is the lasgun good

[deft crystal]

unless ur just not searching

[radiant chasm]

Also more efficient

[real shoal]

Monster? Same deal.

[deft crystal]

Kraks?

Or melee

[carmine cradle]

Kraks

[tall torrent]

You were talking about recon’s boss damage
U can load into meat grinder and use creature spawner to see for urself how much boss damage that actually is

[carmine cradle]

Kraks gud

[carmine cradle]

Bolter 1000000% beats out recon las for killing bosses

[real shoal]

I thought we were talking general ammo reliance. Zealot and psyker don't get kraks.

[stoic thorn]

Why tf is plasma not one of the best boss guns

[carmine cradle]

It’s not even remotely close

[tall torrent]

I’m not comparing it specifically to Boltgun, I’m saying it generally is mid-low tier for boss dps on veteran

[stoic thorn]

It's a fucking plasma gun it doesn't get any better than that

[deft crystal]

To long to charge

[tall torrent]

There’re other options with higher boss dps

[radiant chasm]

There is 3 different lasgun families, recons (full auto) infantry (semi auto) and helbores (charged shots)

[stoic thorn]

Infantry

[tall torrent]

Recon should never be your primary boss dps tool

[stoic thorn]

Mb

[radiant chasm]

And what about the other 4 weapon types lol

[carmine cradle]

Compared to like
The average of every weapon
It’s probably higher than that

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s mid-low tier

[radiant chasm]

Why take recon for dps when vraks iag (columnus rename)

[tall torrent]

It’s really not as impressive as you’re making it out to be

[radiant chasm]

It’s not

[deft crystal]

WHY

Fml

[stoic thorn]

I run shredder, voice of command and the focus stacks

[radiant chasm]

Esp with crit maxing

[carmine cradle]

Being I would assume shotgun, regular lasgun, and what else?

[deft crystal]

ascension riser is the current maelstrom 💀

[tall torrent]

You’re excluding the entire melee weapon cast here?

[stoic thorn]

Quite like ascension riser

[radiant chasm]

Lol i listed them before, infantry autoguns, fanning revolver, vanguard autoguns, and braced autoguns

All do more boss damage

[carmine cradle]

I think I just need more time with other weapons

[deft crystal]

Hate that mission. Literally barely any cover or natural environment to move around

[radiant chasm]

Most boss damage for recon is dum dum infernus cause the weapon has crit chains

[deft crystal]

On the train section

[carmine cradle]

It impressed me when I started using it

[stoic thorn]

I can't really go up to Heresy

[tall torrent]

Yea
No offense tho but u should try to have a more comprehensive view first before making statements on “XXX is super good at smth”

[stoic thorn]

Forced to be in malice

[turbid trail]

which recon mark works best?

[stoic thorn]

I've just been using the middle mark

[deft crystal]

Also first rule NEVER GO TO YT FOR BUILDS

OR REDDIT

COme to us in vet chat

[tall torrent]

Because a Rashad + krak veteran can easily output 200k boss damage in monstrous specialist maelstrom

[narrow frost]

me

[deft crystal]

Half those guys half put together a build

[radiant chasm]

All inning on crit recon is a fun meme and you can win by sheer number of lasers but good players will just get more out of more damage

[radiant chasm]

Dueling sword now too lol

[deft crystal]

This

[radiant chasm]

Besides no ammo maelstroms

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword kills even faster cuz precog and higher finesse scaling

[carmine cradle]

I mean it is good, it’s one of the first builds I successfully completed several aurics in a row with, and I think was the first thing that got me a handful of auric mael wins

[deft crystal]

Open with a krak to stun for that sweet crit

[stoic thorn]

I'm gonna save up my melkmoney and see if I can acquire myself a godroll for my plasma

[carmine cradle]

Emperorspeed

[tall torrent]

Play melee more, you’ll see

[carmine cradle]

o7

[stoic thorn]

Plasma ftw

[tall torrent]

Rashad + krak is like

8~10s vs plague ogryn depending on crit RNG

[stoic thorn]

I live breathe and shit plasma

[carmine cradle]

I will
Now that vet has melee weapons I actually like lol

[deft crystal]

I dont think anyones doubting its good and passable. BUT its similar to wound curios. Where wounds may keep u alive longer its a crutch when you could be getting a boost to hp, stam, or toughness.

[stoic thorn]

I dont even know what a rashad is

[deft crystal]

Funni axe

HOWEVER

[carmine cradle]

I mean

I guess?

[tall torrent]

It’s a very funny melee weapon

[deft crystal]

dueling sword supremecy

[stoic thorn]

I've got a chainsword at 500

[turbid trail]

what would a perfect curio build look like with all 3?

[radiant chasm]

Crit helps break the ice cause you literally dont need to worry about ammo period but once you know the game you dont need ammo either

[stoic thorn]

I've been using it a shit ton

[deft crystal]

2 toughness 1 stam

Or all 3 toughness

if ur not a melee vet

cause yknow

[radiant chasm]

There is like 5000% ammo spread out between 4 players

[deft crystal]

melee go brrrt

[turbid trail]

if you are melee vet? lol

[radiant chasm]

I have 2 tough one 3x stam

[stoic thorn]

ALL 3 COMBAT REGENS WE SCREAMING EVERY 26 SECONDS

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/fcuSqwUYft4

@carmine cradle

[radiant chasm]

Melee vet isn’t a thing it’s just juggler weapon spec tbh

[deft crystal]

I STILL HAVENT GOTTEN +3

[radiant chasm]

Just melk coin gacha

I got one in like 8 buys

[deft crystal]

I am real

and i am coming for u

mf

[radiant chasm]

250 each

[radiant chasm]

Imagine not juggling on the juggler spec

[deft crystal]

I will die on this hill

NO KEYSTONE BB

[wild summit]

yo, what if "only in death does duty end" also gave damage per %hp missing? i think that would justify the longer cooldown

[carmine cradle]

Can I see Same build, mixed horde

[tall torrent]

nah

[deft crystal]

Dude u dont understand

I am a maniac

lmao

I am a bit unhinges

[tall torrent]

this should speak enough

[deft crystal]

Does anyone take longshot

[radiant chasm]

It’s not fair they don’t know any better 😂

[carmine cradle]

Sir that is not a mixed horde that is a handful of ragers

XD

[tall torrent]

200 health
20% sniper resist
everything else up to u

[radiant chasm]

Not everyone knows rashad being sheer op

[tall torrent]

yea that is mixed horde

[deft crystal]

rashaad is still better

[radiant chasm]

Yes that’s a mixed horde

[tall torrent]

what, u want 10 mauler + 30 bruisers?