veteran-class

[rigid schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1296540439343796305/RDT_20241001_0836241484500097145002456.jpg?ex=6713fa61&is=6712a8e1&hm=c727cc7c12c62d3f57c7049d03f8ae013ac0596c5e48fd10f8c29375f291b203&=&format=webp&width=1297&height=730

[wild summit]

Aaah okay, yeah i like that much more than the stand still, i never really tun low on the stacks

[rigid schooner]

i dare you

[misty delta]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

[spark helm]

What's this with?

[rigid schooner]

the real meta revealed to you

[spark helm]

Oh you think I won't run smokes?

[broken spade]

i'm not strong enough for all smokes

[carmine cradle]

veteran player I'm begging you please there are 12 shotgunners 2 dreg gunners and a reaper shooting me STOP FOCUSING THE RAGERS I CAN DEAL WITH THEM
sincerely, bonk the ogryn

[tall torrent]

Why do u have to take MF tho

[broken spade]

one day i'll rise to that level

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/東方抽菸-gif-27406514

[spark helm]

I'm straight up one of the freaks that loves smoke.

If it's on veteran, it's good. Idc what anyone says. Running it rn.

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/toilet-smoking-gif-25020845

[broken spade]

smoke addict spotted

[spark helm]

I'm not afraid to die, you're just afraid to live.

[misty delta]

I dont remember this sun tzu quote

[wild summit]

Honestly? Cause i hate how little is used and i wanna be the guy who actually uses it xD

[spark helm]

Sun Tzu couldn't beat me in touch football. I'm unstoppable.

[wild summit]

Btw, what would mf need to be more a choice? What it got a pure damage boost as well?

[spark helm]

Step it the fuck up.

https://tenor.com/view/rip-pack-bozo-dead-gif-20309754

[misty delta]

I think more damage is the last thing it needs

[wild summit]

Then whats the dealio?

[misty delta]

the main issue is how clunky it feels

[radiant chasm]

be more reliable and straightforward lol

[misty delta]

not a huge fan of my stacks being 0 at the start of every engagement lol

[tall torrent]

It needs to be active without having to kill things

My idea is that you just naturally hold 10 stacks of focus (well, a good marksman should always be in heightened focus)
Drop 1 stack per non-weakspot hit
Regain 1 stack on weakspot hit
Regain 3 stacks on weakspot kill

This is so you have stacks of +finesse readily available at the start of fights, not “get your major breakpoints after u’ve headshot killed 3 dudes”

[wild summit]

I mean personally, i do not often start a new engagement with 0, but i give you that, it is stressfull/clunky

[tall torrent]

Basically a full rework

Because what it is rn is not cutting it

The pathing nodes aren’t particularly interesting

The keystone itself has an interesting idea (weakspot focus) but is executed poorly

[tall torrent]

I think swapping the places between superiority complex and fully loaded would be nice

[spark helm]

Because I'm running smokes, I freed up 2 additional slots. It's over.

I'm fucking in there.

[tall torrent]

So u could take precision strikes -> superiority complex -> marksman -> 10% TDR -> keystone

[spark helm]

Take smokes, profit.

[tall torrent]

That’s basically full +dps stack

[misty delta]

I think they should put blue nodes where the stam regen and TDR passives are

no idea what theyd put there but they should do it

[tall torrent]

The stam regen node is good

The TDR node is also ok

But that area as a whole is not interesting enough

[misty delta]

my thoughts exactly

[wild summit]

What would it need to be more of a use for those single shot precision weapons like las guns, hellbores and so on and less about the vraks?

[wet ether]

You know what’s funny

The talent “Leave no one behind” is actually a strong talent

[tall torrent]

I think a keystone named “marksman’s focus” should naturally be geared more towards single shot precision weapons maybe that’s just me tho

[misty delta]

I think hammer's idea is pretty solid for this. Simply punish body shots / missing shots

[wet ether]

Don’t get why people dunk on it so much

[tall torrent]

I think just punishing bodyshots is enough

[tall torrent]

Because it’s not particularly good

[wild summit]

Yeah thats what is bothering me so much

[radiant chasm]

could have stack earning scale off firerate, or simply weigh kills higher than hits lol

[wild summit]

It is a great keystone… on like 1 weapon

[radiant chasm]

i think 1kill=3hits is a good minimum start

so you get 4

[wild summit]

Thats the issue

It feels like mf is either VV or not at all

[misty delta]

it's good on recon too

[tall torrent]

I don’t like the fact that it needs me to kill something first to then have my breakpoints enabled

[radiant chasm]

no i meant off your idea

[broken spade]

which one is that? I'm bad with names

[tall torrent]

Literally make it Ogryn’s FNP but it’s +finesse instead of TDR

[broken spade]

oh

[wet ether]

I mean sure you can say that but the benefits are pretty awesome

[broken spade]

sorry i don't believe in teammates

[wild summit]

Wait i got an idea, what if mf did more damage on the first hit you deal with a weapon headshot, +x for every headshot in a row? No time gate or anything

[tall torrent]

Stun immunity is awesome yes
But counting on someone to go down to enable that (and having to keep them in your FOV) is less awesome

[tall torrent]

It just needs to be consistent boost for headshots

Because the idea of a weakspot hit focused keystone is fine

[tall torrent]

And it can’t be a ranged weapon only thing

[wild summit]

I mean, isnt what i mentioned just that? You are no longer time gated and a non headshot hit would reduce the stacks by x amount

[tall torrent]

I think getting melee weakspot hits should replenish ur stacks too

[wet ether]

Well if we ever get into a match together you may feel otherwise my friend because I’m a very chatty vet who normally encourages his teammates to do better

[wild summit]

Its funny cause i thoguht the same

[tall torrent]

That’s a salvo mechanic

[wild summit]

The fucking knife would be scary

[wet ether]

If they get downed

[radiant chasm]

i mean you can easily add a side path

[misty delta]

they should replace exe stance with a new ability and replace MF with exe stance

[radiant chasm]

that is geared towards slower fire rate weapons

[wet ether]

MF what’s that?

[radiant chasm]

Increased stack gain on kills, increased for multiple cleave headshot killed

[tall torrent]

I think if it drops stacks on non-weakspot hits, it innately will just discourage automatics

[wild summit]

What if it only counts on headshot kil then? The first hit only would mean that rapid fire weapons would get much less use out of it

[misty delta]

marksmans focus keystone

[wet ether]

Oh yeah 100%

[radiant chasm]

well, tbf, fatshark delayed vet keystones because they didn't want them tied to specific weapons

[misty delta]

inb4 vet gets their rework delayed too

[radiant chasm]

keystones should be adjusted to work with multiple guns

[radiant chasm]

you already got one lol

[wet ether]

Fellas can I be real with you lot

[tall torrent]

5th veteran rework (left branch patch) lets gooooooooo

[wet ether]

Like please don’t flame me or anything

[wild summit]

I think keystone modifiers being focus on specific weapon types is fine, like las or whatever you wanna call the autogun

[radiant chasm]

i'm going to freeze you

https://tenor.com/view/standing-in-line-line-standing-in-line-no-wait-gif-12893541

[broken spade]

add a node that makes it less punishing to miss weakspots
That way slow precision weapons save a point
fast weapons still get an option

[radiant chasm]

no, that is literally what the unreleased keystones were, they only worked with specific weapon types

[wet ether]

But honestly 2 of the vet keystones are bad focus target in my opinion is the only good one

[radiant chasm]

the best way to adjust a keystone to work with any weapon is to have multiple sidenode paths

[tall torrent]

Having non-weakspot hits drop stacks is fine
What u could have is a subnode that makes stack recovery better (to further emphasis weakspot hits)

[wet ether]

Please don’t be mad

[radiant chasm]

weapon spec is great

get frozen

[wild summit]

I mean imo it can be fine the one node that doesnt deplete ammo on las crit is cool

[wet ether]

I mean having to switch weapons constantly just to maintain the effect of that keystone

To me just doesn’t feel viable

[broken spade]

???

[misty delta]

WS isnt something you gotta upkeep. It's just agile engagement but more

[wild summit]

It is easily an amazing keystone for multiple weapons, it just is a very different playstyle

[radiant chasm]

that's a node, not a keystone

[tall torrent]

Veteran is a hybrid melee/ranged class

[radiant chasm]

that's literally the juggler playstyle

[wild summit]

Fair enough i suppose

[tall torrent]

The sooner u accept that veteran is the hybrid melee/ranged class the better you’ll play

[wet ether]

I’m not one for judging if I’m being honest

[wild summit]

Which imo is the most important thing to learn

[radiant chasm]

infact you should be switching between weapons anyways

[tall torrent]

If u wanted a mainly-ranged class, that’s psyker

[broken spade]

are you gonna tell me agile engagement is shit too?

[wild summit]

If anything weapon specialist might be the best keystone in the game, cause it teached you the most fundamentally important skill in the game besides dodging, juggling your weapons

[wet ether]

No agile engagement is fucking amazing

[broken spade]

it's basically part of the same playstyle

[tall torrent]

WS works off the same principle

You’re meant to combine the 2

[wild summit]

Always prepared revolver

[misty delta]

feels like this is simply a mindset issue. Just dont think about the stacks and it'll feel a lot better to use

[wild summit]

me when i hotswap weapons mid fight to reload the revolver inbetween hits to full

[wet ether]

You are right it is a mindset issue

[broken spade]

If you press the R key while playing weapon specialist revolver, ur cringe

axe to the face is the reload button

[misty delta]

this talk about WS reminds me of ye olde days when every psyker had warp charges

[tall torrent]

WS is not about stacking tho

You get huge benefit even at 1 stack

Kill 1 enemy with ranged attack, buff ur melee weapon for 10s

Kill 1 enemy with melee attack, buff ur ranged weapon’s next shot by +33% crit chance

The firerate bonus from multiple melee attack kills is entirely QoL most of the time

The literal strongest veteran build is Rashad + Zarona which kills everything that’s not a boss in 1~3 hits

[misty delta]

not me using WS helbore to make sure this freaking gun kills things

[tall torrent]

It’s so braindead easy to play

[tall torrent]

Helbore doesn’t benefit off WS

[misty delta]

ofc thats the joke

[tall torrent]

Because WS is not coded the same as agile engagement

WS stack is “kill made while melee/ranged weapon is in-hand”

Agile engagement is “melee/ranged attack kill”

[misty delta]

I already said youre right you dont need to explain it

actually, please do, stalkers may learn

(I see you chat stalkers)

[tall torrent]

Semi-auto weapons also have salvo mechanic

That’s making it less useful for everything

[wet ether]

i mean my current build doesn't rely on ws

but still is strong

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u even using

[spark helm]

It went extremely well.

LMAO

mk12 recon las and psword.

[misty delta]

good work soldier

[spark helm]

I already knew it wasn't going to fail.

[wet ether]

@tall torrent

[spark helm]

Now I do it with frag grenades.

I want to kill them, you see.

What's max +Max Stamina on curios? +3?

[misty delta]

yeah

[spark helm]

So for the curios in general it's:

1. +1 Wound(s)
2. +3 Max Stamina
3. 17% Toughness
4. 21% Max Health

Right?

[misty delta]

I believe so

[tall torrent]

Ok u don’t need determined

You definitely don’t need surprise attack

3 subnodes on infiltrate is crazy

[wet ether]

hey this is my build not yours

[tall torrent]

Ok, u do u

[radiant chasm]

u posted it tho

[waxen glen]

Anyone know a good Heavy sword Mark + the blessings + perks?

[wet ether]

people seem to forget that surpression is a thing

[radiant chasm]

not really, you just get more out of killing/staggering

and killing suppresses other enemies so

[wet ether]

but surpression is a 2 way street in this game

its always a good refresher to go back to basics every now and than

[tough tiger]

Suppression is crazy good for weapons that can do it

Recon las 12 is a suppression machine lol

U suppress gunners faster than u kill them sometimes

[lavish token]

Suppression sucks

Just kill them

[somber axle]

Suppression is a nice bonus while you're killing a target. As you're killing one gunner the other gunners around him are not shooting you because they're suppressed

vs no suppression being that you're ping ponging your crosshairs between targets and either relying on ghost or slide dodging to avoid taking hits

It's just CC

[tough tiger]

[somber axle]

It'd be like arguing that a Zealot stun grenade is bad because just kill them

well ok but like

that makes it easier to kill them

[tough tiger]

This cat gets to live

[somber axle]

Because they're not killing you

[lavish token]

Recons have such insane ttk anyway you should just be ripping though gunners

I wish I could make a 0 collateral vld

[trim pivot]

I like VIIa
Practically made for airing out flak elites

[radiant chasm]

zealot stun nade is made to make it easier to kill

it doesn't take time out of your dps to throw down a stun nade

[sturdy karma]

It’s a get of jail button for an emergency

Well it’s 3 get of jail buttons

[umbral scaffold]

think of it as voc but no gold toughness if on self

[radiant chasm]

also, it's for launch so not all 3 non magic classes would not have an aggressive nade

[tough tiger]

The stun last a lot longer

Voc just knocks em down

[somber axle]

wdym you have to swap grenade and drop grenade which is negligible time to do but also still a short window where you're not dealing damage to CC a group

[radiant chasm]

the stun is for A) i can't get to that massive regiment of shooters and gunners, stun it for now

[somber axle]

like it's so little time to do that it's not really a big deal

but it's taking time away from attacking to use CC

[radiant chasm]

as opposed to wasting bullets and time suppressing enemies instead of just, hitting them and also getting the suppression

[somber axle]

I don't understand the argument here. You're shooting a target, not wasting bullets LOL

I'm suppressing a group of Reapers by shooting 1 reaper

not shooting the air like a maniac

[tough tiger]

Go eepy cat go

Fight fight

[somber axle]

suppression is built into weapons

[radiant chasm]

like i'm just a little weirded out how condescending suppressor addicts are it's like "core game mechanics" lol sure but this isn't vt2 and stagger

[wet ether]

no thats a zealots job

[lavish token]

Stuns are only useful to get revives

[somber axle]

plus it's funny to stagger stunlock targets like scab ragers with impact damage

[coarse steppe]

I've done it. As of 55.3 hours of gameplay. I have finally done all the original challenges and completed "For the Emperor! (3)"

[radiant chasm]

then you aren't the one i'm talking to tbh

[somber axle]

it's the opposite tbh

most people always go "just kill them"

we're already doing that

it's just also suppressing

it's ok to not enjoy or not want to engage in a mechanic

[radiant chasm]

yes so no one is forgetting it and you aren't the one this convo is geared for

[trim pivot]

DO YOU INVEST TALENTS IN SUPPRESSION? SPEAK QUICKLY

[somber axle]

it's just weird to say it's a bad mechanic

[coarse steppe]

I probably will soon

[radiant chasm]

i'm specifically talking about people who aim to miss cause of suppression

[somber axle]

that's weird and idk anyone who does that LOL

[radiant chasm]

lol it's not badly designed it's bad to play around

it's like how BCR is amazing in vt2

and garbage in DT

things change

[somber axle]

just don't shoot the air, shoot targets and enjoy the other targets being suppressed while you're shooting something

[radiant chasm]

yes me and dorn were explaining that

thanks

[somber axle]

the only valid argument I've seen is that Reaper suppression makes them raise their arm and duck their head so it often blocks weakspot hits against them

but they're also not moving and not shooting

so it takes slightly more damage to kill them but keeps them from attacking

it's a neat little tradeoff

plus the animation is kinda cool

[radiant chasm]

it stops them from shooting and moving for a while, ends up being you are going to shoot to kill that chest or you run into melee

[somber axle]

makes the enemies feel more real

because they're not Stormtrooper style eating bullets and not reacting

they're either being staggered by the shots hitting them or panicking and seeking cover (or just panicking in the Reaper case but like Ogryns have the minds of toddlers so that's understandable they don't know to run to cover)

[umbral scaffold]

its good on braced tbh

single fire on braced and they still cower like pathetic worms

its crazy

[junior hawk]

Hello! If you don't mind me asking, how do you like Determined, Superiority Complex, Marksman and Stam Regen Boost (left branch)? Also, if I want to skip Reciprocity and use Headhunter, is it still worth taking +5% Crit Hit Chance node and +5% Ranged Crit Strike Chance perk on Mk XII Recon?

[umbral scaffold]

2 bottom if shocktrooper yes

the more crits the better

[wet ether]

aint zealots the ones normally shooting into the air?

[umbral scaffold]

shouting in the air ? yeah the zelots

shooting in the air's the bad vets

[tawny isle]

Coming back after a long hiatus - what are the solid melee weps now? Power sword still putting in work?

[hollow ibex]

suppression is a bad idea on everything lol

[hollow ibex]

yes, though the king remains rashad

[umbral scaffold]

have you evn tried it lol

a wall of ranged crap not shooting back is very mcuh a saving grace

[hollow ibex]

yes, back when i was a noob and didn't know better

it's a noob trap talent

or building for it in general, not just through talents

[faint beacon]

List of good melee's coming from a Veteran main who's let me see

[umbral scaffold]

its nice added, not something to build for lol

[faint beacon]

Lvl 721 as of now

[hollow ibex]

wasting even a single talent or a blessing spot is building for it

[somber axle]

Determined is either REALLY good or not worth taking at all depending on the weapon. Some weapons have either inherent suppression immunity or so much suppression resistance that even if you are affected by enemy suppression it doesn't change your aim at all. Shotguns, Plasma, Laspistols and Helbores all have either immunity or resistance afaik and I've heard that post-Unlocked and Loaded Boltgun/Boltpistol has had sway reduced so much that they don't need Determined either

Superiority Complex is nice for hitting breakpoints but not important if you can hit your breakpoints without it. But it helps a lot of weapons hit breakpoints so it's usually a good pick. Marksman is a very strong DPS cooldown and much stronger vs Superiority Complex but it's burst vs consistency on breakpoints and a tradeoff to consider unless you can afford both in your build. One of the Stam Regen nodes is important to take as a nice quality of life for Vet. 2 isn't necessary. I'd say if you're not able to reach the stam regen node in the right tree it's worth grabbing the node on the left tree

Also yeah the 5% crit chance talent node is worth taking if you can reach it affordably. For Voice of Command or Infiltrate builds it's an easy pick up. If you're going Shredder Frag Grenade -> Survivalist Aura -> Exe Stance it's a hard sell because you have to reach across the tree to get it and really only justified if you were already planning on spending the points for Demo Stockpile anyway. I usually skip it if I'm doing the left tree pathing for my Recon Mk XII because I'd rather take Demo Team for grenade regen and save the points for elsewhere

[faint beacon]

Shovel, Powersword, Heavy Sword, Dueling Sword, Knives, and Tactical Axes if you feel silly that day

but thats like imo all the really solid picks on Vet

Chainsword is an Honorary mention

[umbral scaffold]

❤️ to each their oen

🐿️

[hollow ibex]

one day you'll see the issue with it, like i did

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-not-this-day-not-today-lord-of-the-rings-gif-14797074

[somber axle]

Oh sorry almost forgot to mention! The 5% crit chance perk on the Recon Mk XII is also a good pick up. Carapace, Unyielding, Flak and Crit Chance are all solid perks and depending on how you want to build the weapon. I usually go Carapace and Crit Chance on my Recon Mk XII

[tawny isle]

Thanks - have been picking through blessings and all getting caught up. Does the PS still use power cycler/brutal momentum?

[faint beacon]

Its basically never changed

hence I suggest the following

oh also if you just want Powersword Mk2 just

use the fucking Rashad

its so braindead

(Combat Axe)

[tawny isle]

Lol yeah. I’m about lvl 200 so I’ve used them all just not familiar with the current balance

[hollow ibex]

lmb is high skill gameplay

[tawny isle]

Would also be interested in a decent shovel setup

[junior hawk]

Got it, thanks for such a detailed reply!

[somber axle]

Welcomes! 😄

[wet ether]

maybe i dont need determined after all

@tall torrent laugh it up smart guy

also decided to switch weapons

[trim pivot]

Wrong chat

[wet ether]

combat knife is it good?

[tall torrent]

if ur willing to spend a lot of points into melee, yes

[regal yarrow]

when the hell did sainted weapons exist?

[tall torrent]

mod, not official

[regal yarrow]

alr

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon

[wet ether]

how many points exactly?

[regal yarrow]

that's a lot of horde clear

[tall torrent]

u need both atk speed and stam regen delay reduction
so that's around 7 points into bottom right (more than every other melee weapon)
Rashad costs 5 (for atk speed) for comparison

[hollow ibex]

i wished we could throw bursters like grenades

or plant them like IEDs

[wet ether]

chainsword it is than

[regal yarrow]

it's "then" sah

[tall torrent]

tbh
chainsword also wants that 10% atk speed node

[regal yarrow]

than is more used like: "nosh is bettah than potatoe skins'

[tall torrent]

I also don't know why u don't want to go bottom right

[regal yarrow]

though it aint

[wet ether]

oh shut up damn grammar police

[tall torrent]

chainsword is a crit weapon, reciprocity and desperado both helps it a lot

[regal yarrow]

am an ogryn sah

not an enforcer

or ar-beet-eez

[tall torrent]

there aren't many melee weapons that don't benefit from desperado much

[wet ether]

ugh i've adjusted my build

[tall torrent]

works (?) but idk why u don't want to use keystones

[orchid hemlock]

no reciprocity 😔

[tall torrent]

I don't think shock trooper is necessary outside of recon/helbore

[wet ether]

watch the whole video

[tall torrent]

oh ok, recon

but u don't have rending nodes

[regal yarrow]

why gotta be stealthy?

[tall torrent]

it's like ur trying to do everything and end up not getting anything

[wet ether]

its part of my play style

[regal yarrow]

I rather be in their face hackin em with a chainsword and using a boltpistol fer da elites,

[wet ether]

my build was perfectly fine before

[tall torrent]

yea and I said, u do u

[ember folio]

what builds got good carry potential

without being an ahole lmao

[orchid hemlock]

[tall torrent]

what kind of specification is that

what build requires u to play toxic

[ember folio]

eh i mean like, not hogging ammo

not leaving the team in the dust

[orchid hemlock]

melee

[narrow frost]

rachad voc

[tall torrent]

zarona revolver + rashad

best build on veteran

[ember folio]

sweet o7 sounds fun

[tall torrent]

rashad carapace + unarmored, headtaker + brutal momentum
z.revolver maniac + unarmored, hand-cannon + surgical/crucian

[tropic abyss]

does jumping off a cliff at the start of a level still works for completing On Overwatch?

[ember folio]

extra talent point lol

[tall torrent]

yea, up to u what u like

[narrow frost]

yes

[tall torrent]

I put rending strikes for rashad consistent 3 tap crusher

[tropic abyss]

do I need to be rescured at the last checkpoint or can I play it extra safe and stay at the comfy bottom of that cliff?

[narrow frost]

stay dead

[feral jetty]

OI BOSSES, hope you all are having a good night or else I will give you an ogryn™️ hug

[fair halo]

is max curios hp 21%

[nocturne mulch]

Achlys Combat Axe + Shredder Autopistol

[orchid hemlock]

would u take deadshot on revolver? 🤔

[tall torrent]

I don't

I just don't run deadshot, ever

copium-tier talent

[rigid schooner]

why acklys over rashad?

[serene bough]

Thanks big man

[tall torrent]

rashad is the better one, he's prob recommending a mediocre set-up for people to get good with lol

[nocturne mulch]

Basically this

[ember folio]

id like to get gud

[nocturne mulch]

Achlys + shredder is shit so you have to get good as a player

[ember folio]

HAHAHA

[rigid schooner]

nah man go right to dueling sword and plasma and use every crutch you can

[nocturne mulch]

I've been trying to true solo with it and wow it's made a god in quickplay

[tall torrent]

duelling sword is a pretty specific pick for veteran

[rigid schooner]

it was the first melee that came to mind that qualifies for 'busted'

i guess power swrod or knife then?

[tall torrent]

it's busted but it's also a one-trick single target weapon

knife has 7 point higher cost than duelling sword for about the same dmg

[nocturne mulch]

Oh come on ds 4 + revolver/bolt pistol is easily up there as one of our most broken builds

You could solo the whole warp with that

[tall torrent]

Ds4 is very strong, it's still a single target one trick

[rigid schooner]

perfect for a loadout to ruin your game ability and rely on a crutch then!

[tall torrent]

there's like, no build where I'd take a duelling sword over a rashad if I can afford 10% atk speed

[rigid schooner]

esp with plasma which does what it does too

[nocturne mulch]

Nah with all our melee talents it is a lawnmower against hordes

On vet ds4 is definitely not a one trick

[tall torrent]

nah it's really slow

[nocturne mulch]

Same with zealot

Except its not

[orchid hemlock]

why born leader? 🤔

[nocturne mulch]

My experience with it is clearly different to yours.

[tall torrent]

he said he wanted to support his team
also born leader has very funny interaction with VoC / infil

[tall torrent]

if ur talking true solo, the spawn rate is lower in solo

it just factually takes more time to go through hordes

[nocturne mulch]

No it doesnt

On psyker yeah

[tall torrent]

run a horde clear test then

[nocturne mulch]

Not on vet

[nocturne mulch]

I do everyday when I play the game

[tall torrent]

lol so no test

[orchid hemlock]

also would u still put unarmored on rashad?

[nocturne mulch]

I play every mark of every weapon.

[tall torrent]

I switched back to unarmored, it's nice for QoL

u can still get crusher 3 hit with rending strikes/superiority complex

[nocturne mulch]

Lol you too. You only have your play experience to go off. Which doesn't match mine. It is super easy to position so the horde squishes agaisnt obstacles and you can chew through it with ds 4 as fast as anything else

[rigid schooner]

you know, the headhunter/vigilant autoguns still feel pretty mediocre. is there anything specific to vet that helps it? or are hellbore, plasma, or IAG just inherently better?
or is there something about them that just needs to be buffed, badly?

[nocturne mulch]

The whole "it lacks horde clear" is just copium so people justify using it when it's insanely broken and unethical

It has no downside

[tall torrent]

I have both testing data and gameplay experience to go off of, and it is nowhere as fast as Rashad

It’s serviceable at horde clear for veteran and that’s about it

[nocturne mulch]

And should never have been given to zealot or vet

[tall torrent]

Compared to horde clear powerhouse weapons, it doesn’t come close

[nocturne mulch]

Except you dont.

[tall torrent]

But it is extremely broken in single target, I agree

[tall torrent]

[rigid schooner]

well what is it competing with for single target, on vet, zealot?

and how does it behave when fighting, compared to how they do?

[nocturne mulch]

Go on then. In the next minute share a link to your empirical data that proves ds 4 is one trick.

[tall torrent]

The way I see it at least, duelling sword is the lowest point cost option for very high single target damage

It’s way easier to include in builds than knife with about as much single target dps (can be more)

[nocturne mulch]

It is the highest single target dps for sure

They need to remove it from us. Otherwise they will have to nerf it which will screw over psyker

[tall torrent]

You still haven’t shared any numbers on why it’s good at horde clear

What even is your horde clear benchmark of “good”

[slow spade]

A poxwalker per swing 😎

[faint beacon]

Send me that sometime

lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s just at base

[rigid schooner]

simple solution:
give psyker the power sword

[tall torrent]

U don’t need any specific blessings or perks to one tap Poxburster on headshot

[faint beacon]

Seriously?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[faint beacon]

I'll have to try to come up with something then

[tall torrent]

That shotgun is blue quality with 25% maniac and manstopper

[slow spade]

The headshot hitbox is weird with poxburster

[fading yarrow]

I really need Obesithicus to release another Event
I have 22 Diamantine to my name

[slow spade]

Maybe just missing the hitbox due to it hanging off to its aide?

[slow spade]

Don't be poor

[nocturne mulch]

I don't need any numbers when I can just start the game and see for myself lmao

[tall torrent]

Ok, do u use creature spawner

Because u can spawn 50 pox trials and see for urself there

[nocturne mulch]

Again, that is completely meaningless

[tall torrent]

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-wth-pepega-lol-ez-gif-25333967

[rigid schooner]

devils claw is best melee because you can kill crusher with it!

[primal roost]

The parry is cool atleast

[orchid hemlock]

whats a fun bolt pistol build?

[orchid hemlock]

no I mean like a talent tree

[nocturne mulch]

I dont know about you but i dont play the game fighting hordes in creature spawner

[rigid schooner]

well that lists talents useful to it so idk

[idle swallow]

I do gloryhunter born leader toughness maxxing with focus target on bistol but that's my thing

[slate hawk]

Silly question, do all 2500 kills for "killshot ready" need to be ranged or does melee count?

[slow spade]

Just needs to be kills

At 10+ stacks

[tall torrent]

So no data to back u up then

[orchid hemlock]

u dont get it, the psykanium isn't for testing anything 😔

[slate hawk]

10 or above yeah, at 760 currently so was just curious

[slow spade]

Let faith triumph over reason 😎

[nocturne mulch]

Obtuse

[tall torrent]

I just did the trial

For DS4 and Rashad

[tall torrent]

Just taking averages

DS4 vs 50 pox was around 31s
Rashad vs 50 pox was around 15s

[narrow frost]

SUPPORT VET

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[orchid hemlock]

I like how this guy just defaults to an ecological fallacy but then has the audacity to ask for "data" on how they are wrong 💀

[faint beacon]

100% APPROVED

[slow spade]

Clearly DS needs brutal momentum

[faint beacon]

PLAY THIS BUILD

[nocturne mulch]

And I just like how you're incapable of reason

Those "numbers" are completely meaningless

[slate hawk]

No field improv

[slow spade]

Take off Longshot, it got nerfed to being shit :c

[orchid hemlock]

nah this guys is a troll 1000%

[tall torrent]

Explain why they’re meaningless

[nocturne mulch]

And it's the usual take of "if a weapon isnt the meta at a particular thing then it's dogshit at that thing"

You're almost as bad as reddit when it comes to irrational takes

[tall torrent]

Huh

[narrow frost]

bruh

[slow spade]

Bait used to be believable

[rigid schooner]

@nocturne mulch @tall torrent show me numbers
i don't need to know what they are, i just want to see numbers

[tall torrent]

I just posted above

Rashad on avg 15s
DS4 on avg 31s
Vs 50 poxwalkers

[rigid schooner]

nah just like, numbers

in general

[nocturne mulch]

Rashad has bm/headtaker right?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[nocturne mulch]

Exactly

[tall torrent]

What do u want to compare with

[nocturne mulch]

And its in the vacuum of creature spawnet

[tall torrent]

Knife?

[nocturne mulch]

Spawner

[tall torrent]

They are not standing still for me to hit

[nocturne mulch]

Jesus. You dont need to compare it with anything.

[tall torrent]

They have flanking behaviour, same as solo (last player standing)

[nocturne mulch]

If you go into a real game with ds 4, are you going to struggle against hordes?

[idle swallow]

As always you can run literally anything you want if you have the skill to back it up but people have taken the time to provide proven strong choices to those who want them, for literally nothing in return

[uncut pebble]

This is definitely one of the arguments of all time.

[tall torrent]

No, it just takes more time to get through

Which has been what I was saying this entire time

[orchid hemlock]

no guys u dont get it, it needs to pass the vibe test

[tall torrent]

[uncut pebble]

It's almost as bad as trying to explain that mercy killer is the best blessing to pair with uncanny strike if you're using serrated blade to that one guy earlier today.

[orchid hemlock]

hang on i got this for yall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

[slow spade]

This Krizit guy isn't even proving anything lol

[nocturne mulch]

Is it going to feel "slow"? Are you going to be asking yourself "why didnt I bring bm rashad"?

[uncut pebble]

I know.

Bro is screaming into the void for no reason.

[slow spade]

Its literally just "you're wrong"

[tall torrent]

Idk about you but 31s vs 50 poxwalkers is pretty slow

[slow spade]

Fucking reddit users

[tall torrent]

That puts it at the very bottom of horde clear power

[orchid hemlock]

yeah this Krizit guy has Tanner syndrome, where because they can do Auric solo they automatically think they are god at the game and they know everything

[uncut pebble]

Don't forget. He called Path a reddit user first.

[nocturne mulch]

Its like talking to a wall.

You do you

[slow spade]

Amazing

[tall torrent]

Rashad is not the fastest vs poxwalkers either

[slow spade]

Has to be trolling

[tall torrent]

That’s fine

[nocturne mulch]

Do you play in apac?

[tall torrent]

No

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/slam-head-on-desk-orc-wow-orc-gif-25468332

[uncut pebble]

I agree. I refuse to believe someone can be this willfully ignorant.

[nocturne mulch]

Because I will prove it to you in a game. You take whatever your best horde clear weapon is and I'll take ds 4

[slow spade]

Tzeentch robbed their mind 😔

[nocturne mulch]

Then lets check scoreboard after

[tall torrent]

I don’t play in apac servers, sorry

[nocturne mulch]

Guarantee I'll have more horde cleared

[tall torrent]

I’ve proven enough

[nocturne mulch]

I'll play your region

[uncut pebble]

That isn't even a fair metric because you could just ignore elites, forcing Path to kill them instead.

This dick measuring contest you're proposing is from the depths of reddit.

Just accept that ds4 is shit for horde clear and be done with it.

[tall torrent]

He’s not going to and that’s ok

[orchid hemlock]

1v1 me at horde clearing 😡💢

[tall torrent]

He can believe whatever he wants to believe

[nocturne mulch]

Oh so there are variables that affect horde clear which creature spawner cant reproduce

Good to know 🙂

[uncut pebble]

You're right, but I'm sick of willfully ignorant people.

It is genuinely baffling that one can choose to be this way.

[slow spade]

I wonder if the writers of the ogrynomican have to deal with this nonsense too

[nocturne mulch]

Copium everywhere

[uncut pebble]

Ad hominem.

[nocturne mulch]

Really?

After you just called me wilfully ignorant?

Lol

[misty delta]

idk ogryn gamers are really good at listening to directions

[uncut pebble]

You have no numerical or factual evidence to propose against anything that Path has said, so you're resorting to insults for your argument.

[uncut pebble]

This is an observation, not an insult.

[tall torrent]

Ogryn is not as divisive of a class as veteran

[nocturne mulch]

That is an insult

[orchid hemlock]

This is a common phenomenon actually.

When someone is pushed into a corner, they immediately redirect the blame onto everyone else via poisoning the well to make it so that they do not need be held accountable for their words or actions.

🤓 ☝🏻

[nocturne mulch]

Double standard

[slow spade]

Following the sahs

[junior haven]

1v1 horde clear championships at evo

[uncut pebble]

Also, need I remind you that Path literally wrote the vet guide?

[nocturne mulch]

Which I dont follow

[slow spade]

True, heavy attacks all the way 💪

[uncut pebble]

He literally has all the information to disprove your shenanigans off the top of his head.

[uncut pebble]

Clearly, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[tall torrent]

Yea for example Poxburster explosion can kill 50, but I don’t think that makes duelling sword specifically better at horde clear than another melee weapon

[tall torrent]

It’s not a gospel truth

[uncut pebble]

I'm not claiming it is, I'm stating that you've done your research on the game.

Far more in depth than most.

[tall torrent]

More like kuli did a lot of digging and I played veteran a decent amount

Tbh

[slow spade]

I can't believe Hammer wrote the Uplifting Primer 😩

[uncut pebble]

Either way, it's still a large font of information right at your fingertips.

Some people just refuse to read.

[tall torrent]

DS2 is a little better at horde than DS4 tho

I can be a bit biased here as well

I took DS4 into Moebian 21st modifier when that was around and really felt the slow horde clear

[slow spade]

I miss that modifier :c

[misty delta]

I didnt know it was temporary :(

[slow spade]

I should have abused it while I could to finish this damn 75 grim penance

[tall torrent]

They should make a modifier where they combine C-I-VI with Moebian 21st groaners

Would be peak

[uncut pebble]

Actually that sounds sick.

But also remove the no ammo part.

[slow spade]

Lights Out + 21st groaners 💪

[uncut pebble]

Moebian groaners but you get ammo.

[tall torrent]

I completed my grim collection from that event, I can forget about them basically

[slow spade]

Blink and you're surrounded

[uncut pebble]

I need like 30 something more grims...

[slow spade]

Fuck, I wish I could say the same lol

[tall torrent]

I was at like 43/75 before the event

[slow spade]

I was a fool and just did it leisurely

[tall torrent]

And I played exclusively that modifier for like a week straight

Cuz my friends also wanted to do the event

[slow spade]

Oh lol I was at like 0/75

[orchid hemlock]

Wait everyone stop

I just realized something

[tall torrent]

That modifier is the real horde clear benchmark to me

[slow spade]

Now I'm roughly 35 or so

[slow spade]

That the corpse emperor will fall?

[uncut pebble]

This one, commissar.

[slow spade]

My power sword failed me for the first time at horde clear during hat event

[tall torrent]

Did u see Cole’s clip of Dclaw vs M21st groaners

[orchid hemlock]

Is tanner dressed up as Venti?

[slow spade]

No I didn't but I imagine instant guard break lol

[slow spade]

Looks pretty close

[uncut pebble]

I vote we banish tanner to the shadow realm.

[misty delta]

the hair tells me yes

[slow spade]

As a Vet main, femboys are my specialty

[misty delta]

interesting.

[pseudo fiber]

Does lethal proximity working on shredder frags only apply if the bolt pistol is equipped?

[slow spade]

Its a trait all vets have

[feral jetty]

i'm so glad I stopped getting these stupid notifications lol

[uncut pebble]

Thank the Emperor I'm not a vet main.

[orchid hemlock]

We don't claim him

[slow spade]

Always active as long as you actually have a bolt pistol

[slow spade]

:p

[uncut pebble]

You don't need to have it in your hand, just equipped.

[pseudo fiber]

Good to know switching to it was wrong then lmfao

[uncut pebble]

Doesn't even need ammo, either.

[misty delta]

you like suicide bayonet charges dont you

[slow spade]

Yeah it fucked with me too because you have a buff icon for it when your pistol is out

[slow spade]

"UwU" fires phospherex shell

[idle swallow]

becoming a femboy to cope with the horrors of war

[slow spade]

Corpse starch will do that to you

[tall torrent]

no

[green willow]

what kind of a name is tanner

anyway, got a 500 powersword

[tall torrent]

@slow spade https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1297040420731355177/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2024-09-27_2-40-32_AM.mp4?ex=67147a86&is=67132906&hm=bcbffcc08d8b8b1004cfc4430398156336bbfc9f7def58ad27de7cd2c31d2ebe& cole's clip

[green willow]

hard to use coming from power maul and without power cycling

[slow spade]

God that looks like CBT

My fingers would be dead after 1 mission like that lol

[wet ether]

Imma be real here a stealth vet can hold a team together easily but as soon as that stealth vet goes down you can bet that the team will fall apart

[slow sky]

theres no way theyre not using 21st hordes in the future

[slow spade]

The instant I die/go down, I'm pretty certain the mission is failed

[slow sky]

either as a modifier to just be on the board, or for something else

[green willow]

i already miss them

[slow spade]

21st come back -> only as a horde that spawns from the rear

[slow sky]

it changes up the game significantly by making hordes pose an actual threat

[idle swallow]

I hope they make it a common or maelstrom modifier

[wooden ivy]

question are we allowed to send builds on here?

[slow sky]

no

we hate those

never

[wooden ivy]

i see

[slow sky]

we all run 0 talents

[slow spade]

Points are a crutch

[idle swallow]

builds? In this economy?

[slow sky]

yes you can post your build lmao

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtu.be/_-3T-DNtSUE?si=d9o3VQ9Dl5VIHgqQ

I don't think Tanner likes this server very much 🤔

[tall torrent]

It’s the one time I was going “wait Rashad actually doesn’t kill them faster than they spawn in”

[wet ether]

I know the leave no one behind is a bad perk according to allot of vets but I love it

[slow spade]

Blocked for wrong think

[wooden ivy]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d479d57-9ee3-442a-a62a-ba6a8e39a08b/monstrosity-hunter

[slow spade]

For me, its the first time I went down more than once in a mission (I brought psword and didn't know it was bugged)

[orchid hemlock]

"90% of the players there suck, if you really want to learn darktide in MY server we only do lights out HI maelstroms"

[idle swallow]

If you don't do 50 streak pub only auric maelstrom no down runs CBT edition don't even talk to me

[tall torrent]

Fastest way to improve is duos, so he’s wrong there lol

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think Tanner can comprehend that nobody starts off as an expert on anything 💀

[tall torrent]

There’re many things he can’t comprehend
One of which is how finesse is calculated in this game

[wooden ivy]

yo orcka wana run a round

[foggy cloak]

Trying to find the best melee vet weapon to carry with, but I'm so in love with the donk sound of the shovel heavies that it's hard for me to test other weaps

[narrow frost]

rachad

[orchid hemlock]

Nah I'm going to bed maybe tomorrow

[fading yarrow]

Hi going to bed maybe tomorrow

I'm Vtel

[orchid hemlock]

Hello

[hollow ibex]

meta is boring, use what you want

[slow spade]

Only the BEST for me. I'm the Emperor's favorite murderer :)

[primal roost]

Have you tried Tac Axe? I find it pretty fun on both Zealot and Vet

[foggy cloak]

Shovel + double-barrel make me feel like ye olde murder-hobo

[foggy cloak]

I have not, any particular Mk?

[green willow]

whats the differense between the scandar and aclys powersword

[wooden ivy]

I perfer the first one

[primal roost]

IV and VII are the two I use, but the moveset is generally the same

[wooden ivy]

one is a swipe and the other is a downward swipe

on heavy hits

[primal roost]

I primarily run Agile+Headtaker and just left click down anything infront of me

[wooden ivy]

I perfer the mark III

it seems to get more done with my experience working with it

[orchid hemlock]

One is better than the other

[foggy cloak]

Thank yall! Gonna revisit these tomorrow when I play and try em all out!

[orchid hemlock]

Am I the only person left who uses smaul? 🤔

[primal roost]

I havent given it its dues yet, what do you like to run on it?

[misty delta]

there’s been a few smaul enjoyers here tonight

I run skullcrusher/high voltage but I know the pinned guide runs something different

[tall torrent]

if it had better dodge, stagger & boss damage I think I’d use it more

[wooden ivy]

on crusher? or the small maulers

[tall torrent]

SC + HV is fine

[misty delta]

yuh

[orchid hemlock]

U mean blessings?

[wooden ivy]

i would use those two personally

tho personally I prefer a plain old shovel not the flips.

[orchid hemlock]

I've been still looking for a low investment melee I can use for builds like recon or plasma

Nothing so far comes close to PS 😔

[tall torrent]

what's ur plasma build

[orchid hemlock]

Focus fire

[wooden ivy]

what kind of purpose do you need a melee weapon for

for hoards or single target

[orchid hemlock]

No what I'm talking about are melee weapons that are good even without desperado and trench

[tall torrent]

I play this

[uncut pebble]

What's that one talent by iron will?

[tall torrent]

Demo team

It’s good for frags

[uncut pebble]

Right.

I can see why you run it but I don't use it, personally.

[wooden ivy]

i do

[tall torrent]

This build is made with C-I-VI in mind

[primal roost]

Indeed!

[uncut pebble]

I would think you'd use fully loaded instead, then.

[wooden ivy]

its very good highly underrated

[orchid hemlock]

U don't take superiority?

[tall torrent]

No because I just melee

[misty delta]

what BPs does redirect fire hit if youre not too busy to answer

[uncut pebble]

[tall torrent]

Not needed

I run down to around

30~40% remaining ammo on plasma in C-I-VI

Cuz I save them for specialists

I melee everything else

[orchid hemlock]

Wait so every build is a Rashad build?

[tall torrent]

I try to include it in as many builds as possible

[orchid hemlock]

Also isn't ammo important on Plasma?

[tall torrent]

Kind of?

That +25% ammo makes ur reserve go from 135 to 168

Which is like, 11 more shots

I personally don’t think that’s worth dropping demo team

Cuz demo team is like, 15 more grenades on avg across 1 mission

[orchid hemlock]

Is demo that strong with frags? 🤔

[tall torrent]

It’s fun

Fight one wave, drop 2 frags, wipe them

[misty delta]

I mean it’s 15 more grenades regardless of which one you pick

[tall torrent]

Fight another, realize u somehow have 3 frags in ur pockets

[misty delta]

but yeah you probably want to throw frags more than any other nade

[tall torrent]

And it’s made with C-I-VI in mind so

Frag spam = good

[wild summit]

opinion on my vet drip? I am the one with the gas mask

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

I’m not personally a huge fan of jackets on veteran but urs look fine

[orchid hemlock]

Also how come you take born leader over For the Emporer?

[wooden ivy]

anyone wana see what i run with

[green willow]

ok

[wild summit]

yeah i am a massive pro-jacket man, so i can imagine our tastes to be very different

[tall torrent]

Spread 80 toughness on VoC use instead of 50

[wooden ivy]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d47a71e-8b07-4372-a536-999332f61e01/bolt-blaster

this is what i use

[tall torrent]

Because born leader thinks using VoC & Infil makes you gain 100% of your toughness

So it’ll always replenish 15% of ur total toughness +50 overtoughness (D&H)

[wild summit]

overall idea was to look like a rival gang to the water cartel

[tall torrent]

That ends up being around 75~80 toughness

[misty delta]

I’d probably swap crit dmg out but everything else looks really good love the racc pic lol

[green willow]

heavy sword vs power sword?

[wooden ivy]

you have to try it to see why i picked crit

[wild summit]

also, what are the top 5 melee weapons for the vet?

[wooden ivy]

it one mags a monstrosity if used correctly

[wild summit]

i can imagine the psword and dagger are in that category

[tall torrent]

U don’t need crit damage

It doesn’t calculate the way u think it does

[misty delta]

^

I’d probably swap it for more crit chance if it’s just there to blast bosses

[wooden ivy]

hmm

[tall torrent]

Knife 6, duelling sword 4, combat axe 3, power sword 6, combat axe 5 prob

[wooden ivy]

mostly i use it for everything heavy like a hoard of crushers or bosses i use shovel for everything else and use grenades for hoards of elites or specialists

[wild summit]

wait the combat axe? 😮

[wooden ivy]

2 shots crushers if built correctly

[tall torrent]

2~3

Usually 3

[wild summit]

[tall torrent]

2 hit needs crit

[wild summit]

question, if we exclude combat axe 5 since we already got a combat axe in a top spot, what would the next choice be as the 5th place?

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword 2?

[wild summit]

but we also got a duelling sword darn it

[tall torrent]

Which does basically what DS4 does but has H2 for horde instead of single target

[misty delta]

I nominate d.claw

[tall torrent]

Dclaw is pretty mediocre overall

[wooden ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-raccoon-sniff-raccoon-sniffing-animal-sniffing-raccoon-funny-gif-10651539923294349353

[tall torrent]

Maybe heavy sword 9 but

It doesn’t do carapace well

[wild summit]

oh yeah i never hear of the heavy sword

[wooden ivy]

shovel gives me power

[orchid hemlock]

No smaul or shovel 😔

[wild summit]

is something wrong with it?

[tall torrent]

Mk1 shovel is ok

[misty delta]

anti elite is slow

[orchid hemlock]

No uncanny 😔

[misty delta]

thats about it

[tall torrent]

It’s not broken (unlike duelling swords)

[wild summit]

so basically you gotta cover that weakness

[wooden ivy]

no need i just smack some bums

[tall torrent]

And doesn’t deal with carapace well

[wooden ivy]

indeed

[misty delta]

best horde cleaerer in the game imho otherwise

[tall torrent]

Nah, it 1 hits Dreg ragers

[wild summit]

does a vraks pair well with heavy sword?

[tall torrent]

It’s ok vs most elites

[misty delta]

what the… am I just suffering from a skill issue

mine takes 2-3

[tall torrent]

That entirely depends on what modes you’re playing

[wild summit]

okay, auric maelstrom, balls to the wall

[tall torrent]

Which one

Because if you take that into C-I-VI you’re basically trolling

[wooden ivy]

question would weak spot dmg be better on the thing

than crit dmg

[wild summit]

fair, vraks can be great against elites but i only do well against them when i got mf stacks up

[tall torrent]

No, u don’t need unyielding on it either

Boltgun is naturally very high boss dps potential

[wild summit]

my issue is that i have an urge to theme my builds

and i want the themes to be good builds as well

[tall torrent]

Building for a niche one mag boss set-up is not as good as making it murder everything else while doing good damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=6713f0df&is=67129f5f&hm=541cfe507b016d2fab073646d4790f709cdfa54bda370321b4bfa5e3452731b5&

[wild summit]

the fact that this doesnt blast the boss within seconds is kinda sad 🥲

[tall torrent]

Too bad that ur playing Darktide

[misty delta]

mood

[iron marten]

Should’ve been there when pinning fire was +20% power per stack!

[wild summit]

hey hey, my martyrdome zealot is themes AND plays well actually i end up often carrying

[hollow ridge]

is thr a good stealth vet build? kinda sick of running voice of command every game

[wooden ivy]

i can't see the video my connection is slow does it one mag a boss?

[misty delta]

almost.

[tall torrent]

No, it comes close enough that I can kill it in 2 melee hits after

[misty delta]

doesnt really matter at that point just bonk it with the melee

[wooden ivy]

i see

[tall torrent]

I don’t think one mag boss builds are worth it

[wooden ivy]

oh you used a dmg stem

[misty delta]

I say keep the unyielding if that’s your playstyle

[tall torrent]

In monstrous specialists, you fight weakened monsters half the time, which don’t have as much health

[wooden ivy]

well i have everything else covered

[tall torrent]

And u can kit Boltgun to 1 bodyshot a lot of things

[wooden ivy]

and it makes weak monstrosity hunts a breeze i just one mag everything that comes into blast range

[tall torrent]

Even without going specifically for boss damage, u can still kill weakened monsters in 1 mag

[wooden ivy]

seems i need to do some more testing

wait when did my username turn red

[tall torrent]

Cuz they only have 40% of a regular monster’s health

[misty delta]

those are the realest words anyone has ever said in this chat

[tall torrent]

If ur gun can one mag half health on a plague ogryn, you can one mag every weakened boss

This doesn’t need specific builds

[wooden ivy]

it one mags a full plague ogryn with a dmg stem

[tall torrent]

Full plague ogryn is 60k health

[wooden ivy]

which i enjoy the look of

[tall torrent]

Weakened monsters are at most 24k health (plague ogryn)

You don’t need specific boss damage spec

[iron marten]

just bring tinkered kraks to monstrous specialists and you can easily top boss dmg without tryharding

[tall torrent]

Nurgle bless makes it a bit more complicated, but it’s still very good boss damage

[wooden ivy]

i don't play with mods so good to know

[tall torrent]

u on console?

[wooden ivy]

nope

pc

i just don't like mods

[tall torrent]

DT modding is simpler than most other games tho

u don't have to wait for mod updates after game updates

[wooden ivy]

its not the process its the look after its modded

i like the normal ui than the modded ones

[tall torrent]

I mean
u don't have to use mods that modify UI a lot

I don't think getting colored stim UI is a bad thing

or getting a dodge bar

[iron marten]

Yeah, don’t do what I did and make my ui a hud of a jet pilot

[primal roost]

I just moved stuff around so its easier to see, that and a dodge counter

[misty delta]

❌ modding darktide to have more visual information
✅ modding darktide to make the UI as distracting as possible to make the game more of a challenge

[wooden ivy]

im good

[orchid hemlock]

Spidey Sense, extended voice wheel, full auto, scoreboard, weapon customization, player outlines, outline colors, healthbars

[wooden ivy]

i can't listen to my music and listen to sound ques i need my sight to do the other part

[soft island]

show crit chance, peril gauge, buff bar, custom hud

[wooden ivy]

what does spidey sense do

[tall torrent]

tell u direction of enemy specialists

[wooden ivy]

ah i don't need that >.>

[orchid hemlock]

They specifically don't want anything that touches the UI

[soft island]

oh, I thought we were just listing mods, lol

[wooden ivy]

oh ya almost forgot to ask

[orchid hemlock]

I don't like the default Darktide UI, but they can do whatever they want

[wooden ivy]

would weak spot dmg be a good choice on the spearhead

[tall torrent]

no

it's just flak + maniac

flak gives shotgunner 1 bodyshot & gunner 1 bodyshot

[wooden ivy]

my shovel has those covered

[tall torrent]

maniac gives flamer 1 bodyshot

[wooden ivy]

im asking if it would be a better option over crit dmg

[idle swallow]

https://youtu.be/epio_zh0kZA?si=5aziuOKgSm9Dide4

[tall torrent]

yes

but it's calculated the same way

it just gets more uses

I don't think it's worth taking on boltgun

[misty delta]

this was unironically me like a month ago when I started going insane

[iron marten]

That was me 6 months ago. My UI is still the same lol

[wooden ivy]

you might wana fix that

[fading yarrow]

Ever queue into a Damnation, get level 7, 11 and 13 teammates and think, "Yeah I can make this work," before the hubris immediately fades

[wooden ivy]

oh nah

thats a no go

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/astolfo-happy-gif-22218025

spotted

[idle swallow]

just need to find a modder who will make a cruelty squad hud and I'll have the perfect darktide experience

[near sable]

luv me mkiib lasgun

[broken spade]

ok i ended up doing this
Dueling sword and Bistol
Honestly not bad. Ofc dueling sword is op but also bistol still hits pretty much every breakpoint i care about, even with all these wasted points

the grenade spam is fun

[wooden ivy]

Look at this man I like the way you think

Grenades are fun

[broken spade]

lmao this drop counts as a fall despite having somewhere to land
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1297063823362097182/death_drop.mp4?ex=67149051&is=67133ed1&hm=0518782b9de6b4208de9f300e6c0ea3833f0b56ae9ddcb6a12871e6e8a4161f4&

so dumb

[wise turtle]

I need my gas mask overlay to make this first person perspective more accurate

With muffled noises and heavy breathing

[placid portal]

2 second stamina regen delay + 0.5 stamina/s and halved stamina recovery on duck and cover

[wise turtle]

Can i get “enemies screem more when being shot” mod and a “enemies shout more while charging” mod. I just feel like everything should be yelling like the mutant

[placid portal]

In game dice roll for attacks mod when

[broken spade]

what if i joined your games and screamed into the mic to voice act for them?

[wise turtle]

I would ask u for ur rates, and then give u a recon lasgun to join the light show

[hollow ibex]

lol i love it when we lose an auric damnation match because of a grim

and the guy who takes the grim is like "you should've taken one wound"

[stoic thorn]

Tf do grimoires do

[rigid schooner]

more rewards

[stoic thorn]

Like they just give you cancer??

And more monies

[rigid schooner]

pretty much

[hollow ibex]

barely even

[stoic thorn]

So

[wise turtle]

We are veterans we cant read. It does nothing for us

[stoic thorn]

I get cancer for +50 plasteel and one diamantine

[hollow phoenix]

Not only that

[stoic thorn]

Dude we are in warhammer

[hollow phoenix]

It prevents you from grabbing a medi pack or ammo crate

[stoic thorn]

We just press the gleeblezurpium button and hope it works

[hollow ibex]

it's common courtesy to NOT take grims in pub matches

esp auric

[wise turtle]

I press lmb at heads, And stun baton shields. Nothing more nothing less

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-food-diner-coffee-gif-4685296

Failed a Damnation Ascension Riser about half an hour ago

We were a stone's throw from the final stage

Ogryn jumped over the railing of one of those foot-wide death pits with a horde between us and him
Ninja Crusher downed me and another Vet with an overhead
Shield Smyker just kept Smiting until he was overwhelmed

Can't stop thinkin' about it

One mistake at the wrong time and it all went to gak

[grizzled pebble]

[grand perch]

that moment when theres 3 psykers accompanying you and you have all the ammo for yourself and your vraks IAG

[rigid schooner]

glugger ogryns live for this

[magic trout]

i happened me this once, It was gorgeous 🔥

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

[half parrot]

whats the dump/blessing/perk for bolters now?

[cobalt crest]

What's the plasma gun dump stat

[magic trout]

depende on how you wanna play.
Headhunter: Surgical + Pinning fire for max damage / Surgical + Glory hunter for survivality
Assault: Cavalcade + pinning fire / Shattering impact + Pinning fire

[magic trout]

Charge rate

[cobalt crest]

Cool just rolled a 60%

Thanks

I just sold it by accident selling everything else

Fuck

[half parrot]

what're headhunter and assault?

also what dump stat should I go for?

[magic trout]

Its a term that i use.
Headhunter:sniper
Assault: burst/close combat engage

[magic trout]

Mobility

[half parrot]

Ohh okay, I'll probably go for assault for CQCs, thanks!

and what about perks? Flak/Carapace?

@magic trout

[magic trout]

Flak + unyielding: For elites and bosses
Flak + 10% vs Elites: for max damage against elites

[half parrot]

last question, perks/blessings for Dueling Maccabian Mk IV? I'm running Thrust/Shred and Flak/10% Elites

[magic trout]

1: Shred + Uncanny strike / Flak+maniacs
2: Uncanny strike + riposte
3: Thrust + Uncany strike / Flak vs 10% elites

If you have high penetration on your weapon ''Thrust'' is enough to dealt with crushers/maulers

[half parrot]

Ohh Thrust + Uncanny looks nice, I'll swap my one blessing then, yeah Thrust is great for killing the harder-to-kill mobs

Thanks! I think I completed my loadout

[placid portal]

I just use Agile and Precog bc I like being a Slippery Bastard

[cobalt crest]

Is charge rate

A dump stat

For helbore

[outer wolf]

Guys, is collateral the las recon dump stat?

[cobalt crest]

Mobility is the dump stat for las recon imo

[outer wolf]

There's a debate about that and it's kinda confusing. So probably none is and doesn't really matter that much?

Others say stability

[cobalt crest]

So the big thing is

From my understanding

Mobility under 55 removes a dash

And that's the threshold which sucks

Lasguns in general have no recoil so stability also counts as a dump stat that can work too imo

But stability also affects spread which isn't great

[winter grove]

None

[winter grove]

51%

[wild summit]

i am really looking forward to the next patch

now that the game is basically fixed, all we need is talent tree changes or fixes fo classes. new weapons and missions .... AND lore

wait, why did i replay to someone

[rotund pollen]

[cobalt crest]

So is a 60% charge not good then?

[wild summit]

guy let me die intentionally cause i apparently "let him die intentionally as well" when there was an army of gunners just waiting for someone to pick him up

you just HAVE to love people being such masters of their craft of "bullshit no jutsu"

we lost in the end cause they didnt have me when i was their carry

[trim pivot]

Bad players get tilted because they don't understand commonsense decisions.

[wild summit]

eyup

griefers are hilarious when they fuck up in the end

i hope they blocked me cause they are offline, i mean jesus i wouldnt want to play with such toxic people

[stoic thorn]

I should try plasma with my current build

Later

Time to paint

[wild summit]

i literally had 3 bulwarks on me and a few gunners when they respawned next to me, they just went "pick us the f up"

like my man you see what i am dealign with here right?

[trim pivot]

You can briefly find them if you quickly check recent players in the social menu after a mission.
That's how I block shitters.

[stoic thorn]

I will at least try to understand mfs who are too busy dealing with bs

[wild summit]

yes but you can not block them if they are offline

[stoic thorn]

This is why I used to run revive on the racism scream

[wild summit]

which is like the dumbest design choice i have yet seen