veteran-class

[deft crystal]

and geges fans

are uhhh

[hollow ibex]

JJK written by servitors

[deft crystal]

Murderous intent

funniest skit

ive seen in a bit

[tawny badger]

gege going to meet his fans

[deft crystal]

LMFAO

Gege does a fan meetup right after shibuya

The author of attack on titan meeting his fans: They all are "Eren did nothing wrong"

[hollow ibex]

Facts.

[deft crystal]

bro made a generation of genocide supporters

(im one of them)

[hollow ibex]

the author chickened out

[tame lodge]

suffering from success.png

[hollow ibex]

Dumbass wrote himself into a corner

And took the easy way out

[deft crystal]

He wrote the story backwards

btw

LIKE HOW TF

[hollow ibex]

By making the ending shit

[deft crystal]

nah

ending was

decent

[tawny badger]

I watched one season of AoT

[deft crystal]

not the best

but Im not mad by it

ALTHOUGH

mikasa kissing the dead head

was uhhh

[hollow ibex]

The ending literally makes the entire story irrelevant

[deft crystal]

And he said he was to shy to draw people kissing

but he doies that

[hollow ibex]

About as bad as game of thrones

[deft crystal]

are u

like

brain dead?

[hollow ibex]

No u

[tawny badger]

mangakas are enigmas

[deft crystal]

Im a voc player

what else do u expect

[hollow ibex]

Fuck me too

[deft crystal]

We're so cooked

[hollow ibex]

I’m just a pre servitor

[deft crystal]

when we swap to other classes and realize we cant press one button to make the monsters go away

[hollow ibex]

Trying to do good

“Wdym I don’t have an instant panic button that trivializes everything in the game”

[deft crystal]

"that I can just spam off cd because I have a 6 second reduction on elite kills"

[fading yarrow]

I can't tell if no-one is playing the game atm or if no-one uses the Party Finder feature

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think anybody uses that feature lol

[deft crystal]

I forgor thats even there

[frank monolith]

You mean specialist 👀

[deft crystal]

mb mb

specialist

[tiny summit]

Party finder? Why bother when queing will get me into a match anyways

[earnest bone]

i forgot that thing exists

[deft crystal]

tbf people have to use their brain to get to the party finder screen

sooo like

[earnest bone]

quick play or bust

[deft crystal]

the players may be smarter

than the quick plays

[tawny badger]

I like how VoC is just better chorus

[fading yarrow]

To find dedicated grinding/farming groups for stuff like Penances or Script/Grim contracts( 👉👈 )

[deft crystal]

I just put up a party finder

lets see how long it takes to fill

[fading yarrow]

Any keywords?

[deft crystal]

hardcore

and damnation

cause i only do auric maelstrom

otherwise game to easy'

[idle swallow]

sounds like you need to make a freaky loadout with stuff you're uncomfortable with

[deft crystal]

alr done that

its fun

[fading yarrow]

Your party ain't showing up for me
Maybe that's why nobody uses the PF, it's just busted

[sleek garden]

every now and then I'll join a level 1-2 mission and marvel at the scenery

[deft crystal]

YO waiy

[sleek garden]

and realize groaners have voicelines

[deft crystal]

thats actually

good idea

[sleek garden]

the game can actually be spooky

[deft crystal]

loading into a lvl 2

and im just gonna not do anything

[sleek garden]

Shine a flashlight on on a person and they turn around and they have a horn sticking out of their eye

[deft crystal]

and watch

the spectacle

[sleek garden]

Beware

Most people in that difficulty are still lvl30

They're just not great typically

[deft crystal]

I load in

and i kid u not

they hit a barrel

and stare at it

while trying to back away

then get hit

[sleek garden]

ah yes the TF2 rocket jump

[serene bough]

max level in sedition or uprising without the intention of knocking out penances is crazy

[sleek garden]

What penances are worth doing in low levels

there's not enough enemies for anything

maybe dream team

[serene bough]

skull collections and beat level in zone X number of times

[deft crystal]

holy sh

we get so manyt wounds

[sleek garden]

no I do those on auric maelstroms with other confused players for max immersion

[serene bough]

same, although i still dont have the magistrati oubillete skull

[sleek garden]

Literally the only one I don't have it's ridiculous

I'm so bad

[serene bough]

once i get the 50 missions penance from the torrent ill break introversion to complete it

[sleek garden]

I've done explorator and nomad

I'm working particularly on the torrent at the moment but i don't mind the other missions

[sleek garden]

The catachan sword one shots like three guys with a light attack

[serene bough]

i think i only have nomad so far

im less than or equal to 10 missions for all of the other zones

[sleek garden]

I liked doing nomad because the hourglass is good for sniping

[serene bough]

i just havent focused them down

hourglass is my favorite zone

[sleek garden]

I like all the areas

I think my least favorite is like a specific place in throneside you're only in for part of two missions

Not the archivum but the other huge building

that has the dish at the top

[serene bough]

the only map i dislike is ascension riser

its so slow

[deft crystal]

one of the lvl 15 ogryns blew up a pox burster on me as i was about to push it away

[sleek garden]

ascension riser tends to just be brutal

That train depot area has no cover

that map and the clandestium gloriana have got to be the worst for that

I always feel so godly for playing ghost executor stance veteran on those two maps

[deft crystal]

do u guys think people need more help on level 1 or 2 missions?

[floral hearth]

i did the "get X headshots in a row" on lower things

can be a bitch to do that on higher stuff where you're either swarmed or everything gets murderhobo'd before i can even ADS

[sleek garden]

I got it by accident a long time ago with an infantry lasgun

On excise vault

I was just playing normally on damnation or heresy

[floral hearth]

nah, i cheesed it by just brain bursting as psyker

[sleek garden]

Way way before the auric missions were added

[tawdry jackal]

Could use some help. I got a marksman build and a shout build thanks to yall.

Now I wanna chase some penances. Could use an infiltrator one.

Could you guys show me a solid one?

[sleek garden]

I will leave that to someone else, I'm not perfect at it but I found a braced autogun with hit and run on it to work very well

[weary acorn]

can the combat axe be turned into a good horde clear weapon?

for vet ?

if not do you guys have any suggestions?

[supple stag]

Rashad combat axe shall do it

just grab brutal momentum for blessings

[strange crow]

Yes use brutal momentum, headtaker, and trench fighter drill

It will cut through hordes like a hot knife through butter

[tall torrent]

it’s basically the best horde clear weapon for vet

[weary acorn]

oh nice

i knew it was strong on zealot

but was worried for it on vet

[strange crow]

Knife is the vet weapon that is a lot better on zealot

Rashad just kicks ass all around

[supple stag]

Vet has really consistant melee damage output

[tall torrent]

Rashad is better on veteran than on zealot

Knife scales with zealot tree better

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1295656500815069244/Combat_Axe_2_7.5s.mp4?ex=670f71a5&is=670e2025&hm=2c677d9434760f796d22d931193bc9f14703675a41a989c10a17828ad672852d&

50 poxwalkers

[weary acorn]

wow

i have a couple of free talent points, any good nodes to take to help it out or does it function good all on its own?

[tall torrent]

You need 10% atk speed

[weary acorn]

gotcha, taken

time to murder

uh what perks?

flak and maniac or maybe even i guess unarmored?

[supple stag]

Unarmoured + Carapace is what I rock

[weary acorn]

out of curiosity why carapace? Crushers?

or maulers

[supple stag]

Affects both if you go for headshots

[tall torrent]

Green is mandatory, yellow is optional

Carapace + elite/unarmored
headtaker + brutal momentum

I use carapace + unarmored as well

[weary acorn]

well lucky me i have all of that

tyvm gentlemen

its time to go axe the heretics some very important questions

like why they're still alive

[supple stag]

Have fun, Rashad is stupidly strong

[slow spade]

the push attack with rashad can stagger ragers out of their combo c:

[deft crystal]

Make sure to grab iron will and the center node at the very top

toughness is the only thiung that makes vet strong

[weary acorn]

fear not i have done so

just ran auric damnation train mission

axe slaps

[tall torrent]

It’s basically the best “all purpose” melee for vet

[weary acorn]

god it do feel that way

was rockin the shovel prior

its like night and day

not even power 500 yet

need plasteel

[tall torrent]

Well yea

There’re 3 categories of veteran builds

1. Knife (highest melee point cost)
2. Can afford Rashad (atk speed)
3. Can’t afford Rashad

[weary acorn]

welp i can afford rashad

and its well worth it

rashad for hordes, recon lazgun for everything else

[weary acorn]

is the melee crit chance + finesse damage required for a breakpoint?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[weary acorn]

damn

oh well

[tall torrent]

What did u want instead

[weary acorn]

weapon swap speed +25%

[tall torrent]

Nah

U already need 10% atk speed

The only other pathing option is stam regen boost

[weary acorn]

i have 10% atack speed with or without that crit node

[tall torrent]

Which u don’t need for axe

[tall torrent]

Desperado?

It’s one of the best talents on veteran

[weary acorn]

yeah desperado,

field improv would also be something i could slap in

but if its required to get the axe to function then its not worth it

since i take onslaugh i already take the stam regen node

[tall torrent]

What do u need onslaught for

[weary acorn]

my recon laz

[tall torrent]

Ur axe can 3 hit crushers & maulers

Not sure why you still need to magdump them with recon

[clear lantern]

because it's FUN to magdump them

[weary acorn]

hmm, if i take onslaught off, will it affect my special/elite kill speed too badly?

[tall torrent]

Rashad is not compatible with recon builds that use onslaught

[weary acorn]

also yes it is fun to mag dump

[tall torrent]

No

You’re better off taking rending strikes in the middle

U need both rending strikes & ogryn damage to 3 tap crushers

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/braaa-firing-dance-woah-gif-17332904

[weary acorn]

hmmm

[clear lantern]

makin' sure that barrel is molten hot

[weary acorn]

well i can just give it a shot and see how i like it

i prefer to mag dump, its fun

but who knows

[clear lantern]

that's what T4 is for baby; let's test some specs

psykharium is for other people. we test it in production.

[tall torrent]

Probably take a different melee weapon then

[weary acorn]

but the horde clear...

[tall torrent]

It’s really difficult to have a Rashad that hits its ideal breakpoints in a recon build

You either make a recon build, or a Rashad build

[weary acorn]

i only need it for like, everything other than crushers and maulers xD

[tall torrent]

Take power sword then lol

[weary acorn]

and it worked so well at that

[tall torrent]

5 point lower cost

[weary acorn]

oh nah man i hate power sword

[clear lantern]

live long enough to be a recon build, or die as a rashad build

[tall torrent]

Then start dropping things that are for recon

Or run a low point cost melee for horde clear

Like chainsword

Or shovel / shock maul

Rashad is a heavy investment melee

[clear lantern]

chainsword cleaves pretty well; so does a Tulovsky heavy sword against hordes;

the one that used to be zealot only

[tall torrent]

Yea u could run heavy sword

[weary acorn]

issues i'm finding I have when playing this build, is basically wheeny trash mobs mauling me to death

[tall torrent]

Forgot about them

[weary acorn]

i can handle elites,, bosses and specials just fine

[tall torrent]

Take heavy sword then

[weary acorn]

what mark?

[tall torrent]

IX

[clear lantern]

Tulovsky heavy sword's special attack also crits weak spots pretty well

[tall torrent]

IX is horde clear

[weary acorn]

what blessings?

[tall torrent]

VI and VII are more anti-elite

[clear lantern]

it's cleave is either heavy/light/heavy/light

[tall torrent]

Headtaker deathblow

[clear lantern]

or just heavies

[weary acorn]

yall said chainsword was good too right?

[clear lantern]

Yeah that can cleave hordes too; and stun armor with the rev up

[weary acorn]

hard decisions ...

I think i'm gonna go with the chainsword, i remember trying the heavy sword on my zealot and not meshing well with it

[tall torrent]

It’s a horde clear one trick

Mediocre boss damage
Bad vs melee elites

[clear lantern]

but you can stun them

[weary acorn]

i'll give the heavy sword a shot here

just tried the assault chainaxe, both marks

not feeling it

[clear lantern]

I find the ..XIII? The newer one, it's attack directions make it better against elites/specialists with more vertical cuts, rather than the older one, which has more horizontal cuts; but I like the tulovsky. The Psyker sabers/foils might be a try if you fancy -- they will feel like cadia swords

[stoic thorn]

I love cadia fr

Cadian chainsword

Cadian character

Uh

Waiting for a cadian gun

Cadia goes unbelievably hard

[clear lantern]

not the chainsword; I meant the Catachan Swords

[left patrol]

Is brown or blue shovel gooder?

[clear lantern]

you mean the poker or the trench knife one?

[left patrol]

Uuhhh surreee

[rigid schooner]

So heavy sword is good for crowds, but struggles against carapace yeah? What ranged weapon do people usually pair with it?

[weary acorn]

gave it a shot

didn't like it

i'll stick with the rashad for a while

[clear lantern]

On my zealot, I complement it with a boltgun to get through armor

[tame lodge]

Zarona
Bolter
Bistol
Helby 4
Slug shotgun

Uh

[placid portal]

Brown has overhead special heavy while Blue has diagonal sweep special heavy, But blue has a better heavy crowd loop combo iirc

[left patrol]

Okie dokie sankyu

[placid portal]

Slug shotgun kinda meh vs carapace, you can chip some health but takes 4 slugs

[rigid schooner]

Yeah that sounds tedious

I really wish you could just fill the mag with slugs

[clear lantern]

I think the double-barrel should do that trick in all honesty

that'd give it some personality over pump action

[hollow ibex]

Yeah damage kinda meh. Good for making the fuckers sit down though

[tall torrent]

Revolver / Boltgun

[shadow dagger]

theres a mod to make stims differentiate by color in the ui right

[rigid schooner]

Yup

[placid portal]

Dont crushers have a knockdown immunity cooldown?

After 1st knockdown *

[placid portal]

Boltgun probs easier to mop up crusher mobs

[hollow ibex]

I have no clue. I don’t have the patience to use slugs to kill crushers lol

[tall torrent]

2.5s immunity after successful stagger (any stage)

[placid portal]

Almost 100% hard knockdown loop with slug then?

[tall torrent]

Not worth because you’re never gonna have enough time against crusher groups

It’s just revolver / Boltgun

Or recon XII if u spec onslaught

[vestal widget]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/265?tab=files

[shadow dagger]

sweet

brains been itchy

[trim steppe]

Great mod. Also being able to see what stims your teammates are carrying is very nice

[tender rose]

struggles against any unyeilding or carapace

[rigid schooner]

Yeah the sword does. I'm wondering what secondaries people bring that Excel against unyielding or carapace, to compliment it

[tender rose]

plasma, bolter, helbore

[hollow ibex]

krak's an obvious solution, though not a secondary

revolvers, some autoguns, bolt pistol, and recon las with the right build can also do the trick

[radiant chasm]

hmm

what shovel should i use

i was using mk1

also my build is bistol frag grenadier

[tall torrent]

1 or 7

[radiant chasm]

im thinking about going back to knife even

i'll try 7

i want an uncanny weapon that has serviceable horde control, so i can throw 2 nades and melt crushers

[hollow ibex]

i miss muni shovel being an actually non-meme option for an entire 30 minutes

[tall torrent]

Knife vet is just super point hungry, real shame

If vet had 0.75s base stam regen delay instead of 1s knife would be so much easier to include in builds

[radiant chasm]

yea

[misty delta]

do I need uncanny on a dueling sword that already has precog? been hearing mixed opinions about this

[heady garnet]

what is a better combo for recon lasgun - duelling sword or combat knife?

I want some range build since I just swapped from ogryn. It's my second char

[clear lantern]

itchy itchy tasty

[misty delta]

dueling sword. Both recon and knife need a lot of points and you simply cannot afford to invest in both

[heady garnet]

are dumdum + infernus fine on lasgun?

[misty delta]

yeah they're fine. Check the pinned word doc for specific build stuff

[hollow ibex]

i'm assuming you're talking about recon las

infernus is terribad

[heady garnet]

recon lasgun, yes

[hollow ibex]

recon las is prob the best candidate for using infernus on, and it's bad even there

[timid wolf]

I remember when it was bugged and super good.

[heady garnet]

what is the best duo then for recon?

[shadow dagger]

recon isnt really something you consider for pairing with anything tbh

[hollow ibex]

i think he's just talking about blessings

so yeah dumdum is always good

then headhunter or deathspitter

[somber axle]

Dum Dum + Deathspitter with Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Headhunter without Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Infernus with Reciprocity if you like setting things on fire
Headhunter + Infernus if you don't like Reciprocity but you like setting things on fire

Top is highest damage but reliant on Reciprocity stacks to maintain crit. Infernus is less damage but fun for saving a bit of ammo if you let the dot ticks finish off targets and also fun for finishing off fleeing targets that escape around a corner + a bit more damage on bosses and beefier targets

Dum Dum + Infernus is fun too but is also reliant on Reciprocity

[hollow ibex]

saving ammo on recon.

[somber axle]

Your blessing choice depends on your playstyle

Either you get crit chance from Reciprocity or Headhunter. Reciprocity favours a more aggressive frontline fighter style. Headhunter favours a more backline support shooter role. If you're in Auric pubs Reciprocity will definitely be better for you overall since you'll very rarely get a chance to hang back and focus on shooting down distant threats. You'll be constantly dodging and swapping between melee and ranged anyway to maintain stacks

Also yeah you need the crit chance with Shock Trooper to save ammo

If you ignore Shock Trooper and/or crit you probably shouldn't use Recons because you're going to be an ammo goblin LOL

[heady garnet]

I see talent tree second time in my life, and just by reading Reciprocity seems weak

it's not consistent I guess

am I wrong?

[somber axle]

It's 5% crit chance per stack up to 5 stacks for 25% crit chance on an 8 sec duration refreshed on any melee or ranged dodge

It's pretty good but depending on what difficulty someone is playing and their preferred playstyle they may not enjoy it

A very, very strong talent for both melee and ranged

But also I understand if someone likes to ride the juggling Deadshot high with Target Down or Tunnel Vision instead

or the ease of use of Headhunter and just aiming head height for an easy and consistent way of forcing crits

[heady garnet]

I played ogryn melee build without shield. Want to try something meta and long range

was running pickaxe and grenade launcher

go boom

[somber axle]

The strongest meta build afaik is Rashad Mk III Combat Axe + Zarona Revolver with Weapon Specialist and Always Prepared so you can auto reload on swap with melee kills

[heady garnet]

and nuke nade

[hollow ibex]

vet has soooo many long range options, esp compared to ogryn

[somber axle]

kinda good at everything except dealing with rooms of non-elite shooters

you'll have to dodge slide into melee and axe them down because Revolver's only weakness is being awful at dealing with ranged trash scattered across a room in a reasonable amount of time

[heady garnet]

same shit with ogryn

[tawdry jackal]

Operation delta force

[heady garnet]

you just insta die from gunners

[somber axle]

Zarona Revolver is really good at removing gunners

you can just delete them on sight

[tawdry jackal]

What about

[somber axle]

but wow it feels awful for trying to deal with ranged hordes

LOL

[tawdry jackal]

Bolt pistol

Pistola de la bolt

[somber axle]

Bolt Pistol meta build is with Lethal Proximity and Run n Gun (more accurate hip fire than aim down sights hilariously enough) or Puncture (hits some important breakpoints with the dot)

[tawdry jackal]

Also I’m kinda against using the revolver only for aesthetic

[somber axle]

Lethal Proximity with Shredder Frag Grenades can do some serious work

You just sorta delete rooms

[tawdry jackal]

Like it’s not metal enough for me

[heady garnet]

okay, is rec lasgun meta?

[somber axle]

Recon Mk XII is the strongest of the three Recon variants and a very strong meta pick yeah

[heady garnet]

guys, I don't even know all the perk names you write, sorry

[tawdry jackal]

I need a hand cannon that blows someone apart at the waist and has ammunition that is worth more than most people’s lives

[heady garnet]

I just want to pick something for now

ogryn is still in my mind

want to make boom

[hollow ibex]

the fastest pew pew of the recon lasguns

[somber axle]

As long as you get Shock Trooper, Rending Strikes, Onslaught and some form of crit via Reciprocity, Headhunter or Deadshot (for masochists who enjoy high stakes juggling only) it can just sorta delete any threat from any range very effectively

Shock Trooper makes all crits for lasguns free shots that cost no ammo. Recons get a crit string of 2 so you get 2 free shots. High crit chance builds help offset how fast the ammo drains a bunch

Rending Strikes is +10% Rending and helps the ADM of Recons on Carapace, Flak, Maniac and Unyielding
Onslaught is +2.5% Brittleness per stack up to 16 stacks and gives 1 stack per shot for a total 40% Brittleness on target at max stacks
Recon Mk XII has the fastest fire rate in the game so you stack Onslaught to full

together they just sorta let you delete everything you see

I circled Shock Trooper, Rending Strikes, Onslaught and Reciprocity in the Vet tree

they're toward the bottom just above the keystones

[heady garnet]

is bring it down (right of the rending strikes) good?

[somber axle]

Yes but depending on your build it might not be affordable

I always want it but can't always get it

[heady garnet]

yeah, sounds strong

20% is a lot

[somber axle]

Yeah

It's just tricky because there are so many good talents in the Vet tree you really, really want depending on your weapon set up

[heady garnet]

I mean, you can delete ogryns

[somber axle]

Yeah

Hate Crushers

Kill Crushers

[heady garnet]

do ogryns count as elite enemy?

[somber axle]

afaik yeah

Reapers, Crushers and Bulwarks are all elites

the only non-elite Ogryn is the Plague Ogryn I think?

[heady garnet]

maybe superiority complex is even better then?

sounds strong as well

+15% damage to all elites

[timid wolf]

For that build, you get exec stance?

[somber axle]

for the Recon Mk XII build? I run it with Exe Stance yeah but you can just take Fire Team + Voice of Command instead if you prefer that

I usually recommend taking the most point efficient path down

no worming for Recon Mk XII

the more you deviate left to right on auras, grenades and abilities the less points you have for the important things at the bottom

Krak + Fire Team + Voice of Command give you grenade regen and an easy way to delete bulwarks/crushers while having a good damage + stun option to lock down bosses for laser beaming a hole through them

I just go Exe Stance + Surv Aura + Shredder Frag because I enjoy it more for fun

[keen wharf]

I swear, something is wrong with the audio for the Trappers and some of the other Maniacs, i cannot for the life of me hear them sometimes, like the 3D audio makes them sound like they're in a completely different direction.

[somber axle]

none of the keystones really change much about the Recon Mk XII playstyle and it is one of the weird guns that can function totally fine ignoring a keystone (Chink in their Armour under Marksman's Focus is nice but too expensive for too little benefit and you already get enough rending from Rending Strikes + Onslaught, Focus Target + Redirect Fire isn't much of a change on damage for the Recon Mk XII, Weapon Specialist is mainly for a more comfy time on mobility and both ranged/melee attack speed but not strictly necessary)

[timid wolf]

Longshot or Bring it Down! for the recon build?

Going Krak and Voice. may as well work on those penances while I work on the recon.

[heady garnet]

is this optimal

and it's 26 points as far as I understand

I can swap color for visability

[somber axle]

yeah that's pretty solid to start with

[tall torrent]

generally good
but depending on build, u may not be able to afford it

[shadow dagger]

placing the red line directly over the skill tree xd

[somber axle]

I wouldn't recommend Longshot tbh

[timid wolf]

I did that except I wiggled left to get survivalist aura after krak

[somber axle]

Bring It Down is good though!

[timid wolf]

Ok, bring it down it is.

[tall torrent]

longshot is horrible and BID is big dmg
not hard to decide

[timid wolf]

Just having fun bringing my pocket rave party to the Nurgle dances.

Was just in a run with 3 vets running recons. It was... so bright.

[heady garnet]

what do I miss? I have only 26 points

[timid wolf]

Is longshot horrible for everything or just recon? I have it on my infantry lasgun build.

[tall torrent]

longshot is horrible, period

there's no build where it's "good"

[somber axle]

You could use the 4 points toward:

Bring It Down
Marksman
Superiority Complex
Skirmisher + Weapon Specialist
Desperado (depending on your melee weapon)
Grenadier (2 point cost but nets you +5% crit chance node and +1 reserve Krak)

[tall torrent]

if it's taken it's to take exhilarating takedown (situational) or volley adept (situational)

[somber axle]

OH WAIT JUST NOTICED

change Covering Fire to Grenade Tinkerer imo

[timid wolf]

Yeah, I have it for Exhilarating takedown.

[somber axle]

Covering Fire is a neat support node but Grenade Tinkerer elevates your Kraks to deleting bosses VERY effectively

even better if you take Tinkerer + Bring It Down

[serene bough]

jesus christ we got light mode talent trees before GTA6

these really are the end times

[somber axle]

if you want a big boom get the superbuffed kraks and throw them into a boss to enjoy the fireworks show

[heady garnet]

dude, I just opened last pdf file from pinned comment

do you think I like it as well

[timid wolf]

The Cicatrix Maledictum has brought light mode documents out of the depths of the warp.

[serene bough]

it burns my eyes just glancing at it so i assume no

[somber axle]

I just use Gameslantern and the snip tool to share things here

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[heady garnet]

mother of gods

if I knew it earlier

[tall torrent]

read and u'll see that what u should click on is the 1drive link...

[serene bough]

you have been saved from your savagery

[somber axle]

I use discord light theme so the light works fine for me though LOL

[serene bough]

rejoice

the emperor truly protects

[serene bough]

this angers me

pls stop

[hollow ibex]

w t f

[somber axle]

my friends are angry too but like I use google chrome and by default it's light theme and my desktop wallpaper is also a bright colour so I keep it all consistent because swapping between light and dark sounds bad for the eyes

[timid wolf]

Abbadon, is that you?

[tall torrent]

I'm genuinely curious, how hard is it to click on this instead of that pdf file

[serene bough]

do you always wear sunglasses Sneaky

[tawdry jackal]

I tried to put together a infiltrate vet specifically to get the clothes it unlocks. Thats the only reason a smoke grenade is on here

[somber axle]

I have glasses but they have that special coating for blue light or something

so screens do not bother my eyes much

I even recently visited the optometrist and found out my eyes haven't gotten worse at all which is nice

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ef18f-a2e4-4ca4-accf-c413c68009c5/infiltrate-penance-vet-build

[somber axle]

the light theme works

[timid wolf]

I have it bookmarked so I don't have to hurt my brain with the choice anymore.

[tawdry jackal]

need to figure out ideal weapons for this

i believe rashad time is now

but rn I have the power sword in my posesssion and can get a good bolt pistol with a decent mastery level

[serene bough]

your eyes may be ok but your soul is in agony for using light mode

[timid wolf]

I was a power sword fanboy until someone recommended the Rashad. I am now a Rashad fanboy.

[somber axle]

I use Sunrise theme on discord and I love the colours

[tall torrent]

I thought I made it clear enough that the pdf file is outdated, and even provided the new version

[serene bough]

truly unhinged

ok back to pubs

clandestium hishock is here

[somber axle]

It's really hard to go back to enjoying other melee weapons after you experience the Rashad LOL

[tawdry jackal]

i imagine it will be but rn i need some gold to level its mastery

[somber axle]

it just sorta does everything with no weakness

[trim steppe]

I really want to like other melees but... Rashad

[tough tiger]

@somber axle go sleep

[timid wolf]

Its special is bad. That counts as a weakness.

[somber axle]

probably the fastest horde clear in the game
deals with both unyielding and carapace with solid damage
push attack combo is funny for staggering Ragers out of their attacks

[somber axle]

but I just got off work

[trim steppe]

But its funny to uppercut your friends in the elevator

[somber axle]

I always forget it exists tbh so yeah fair point

[tough tiger]

U will feel sleepy oooooooooooo

[somber axle]

don't worry I'll fix it

there we go

[timid wolf]

Sneepy Cat

[tall torrent]

there's like nothing else that does ok in everything

which is a real shame

at least not on veteran

[heady garnet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d45941c-ff53-4a4c-94c8-3f8e139089de

this betah?

[tall torrent]

works, u could drop grenadier for BID

also get 20% sniper resist with >200 health

it helps

[heady garnet]

but as far as I understand it's veteran's responsibility to kill them. so you should focus them first. no?

why do you need resist if they are dead

[tall torrent]

it's everyone's responsibility to kill everything

veteran just happens to usually have better long-range guns

[heady garnet]

I can't kill snipers as ogryn

I have grenade launcher

[tall torrent]

this however doesn't change the fact that shit happens and u can get shot

[frank basin]

He has another video, let’s review https://youtu.be/2yO7ZFKhANI?si=oPiU8z9vBRx8r3UE

[tall torrent]

get this tannerposting out lol

[frank basin]

Tannerposting

[tall torrent]

he's been wrong frequently enough

[frank basin]

I know but tannerposting

[tall torrent]

yea it's cringe

[hollow ibex]

just looking at the preview is making me puke

is this AI generated?

has to be

[frank basin]

Made by Tanner

[tall torrent]

get this tannerposting out of vet chat

[heady garnet]

rampage + uncanny strike good for dueling sword?

/voteban

[tall torrent]

rampage is pretty mid for duelling swords

[heady garnet]

for psyker in vet chat

[tall torrent]

they're single target one trick

[hollow ibex]

poor son of a bitch is prob still on chatgpt 3.5, hasn't even gotten to 4 yet

[frank basin]

Lmao

[heady garnet]

link was not working. clicked on pdf.

[somber axle]

just glancing at it with the context of this as a tier list for casual players (so non-aurics for sure) I generally agree with the placement tbh. Smokes are D tier because most people barely understand how it works even now. Voice of Command as OP because it can carry matches for casual players

[heady garnet]

now it works

[somber axle]

like Infiltrate isn't bad but in a casual player's hands it's going to be a lot less effective

[tall torrent]

welcome to the actual vet guide

[somber axle]

Surv Aura post nerf as being OP/needing a nerf still is one of the takes of all time though LOL

[frank basin]

As i run infiltration with plasma lol

[somber axle]

good for casual players but definitely not needing more nerfs LOL

[frank basin]

Tryhard player get nerf because they have attention from fs

[heady garnet]

may you kindly review my build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d45941c-ff53-4a4c-94c8-3f8e139089de

[frank basin]

Affect casual players too

[somber axle]

I should clarify I don't mean less effective vs another player, I mean less effective vs Voice of Command but that's not really the fault of Infiltrate's design or the player using it, it's just that Voice of Command is just that much more powerful for changing the tide of a match and keeping the tides in your favour in the hands of casual players

[tall torrent]

tbh, I think VoC > exe > infil outside of solo/duo

outside of obj moments u pop infil to snipe specials

[somber axle]

It all looks good to me! 😄

[tall torrent]

exe does the same special-sniping job faster with wallhacks

and has less point tax

[frank basin]

Thanks to default counter-fire part of exe stance

[tall torrent]

in solo/duo, infil's value is higher for obj plays

[heady garnet]

I just don't understand why I can't choose the right lasgun. And I am not sure about melee

[shadow dagger]

with notably less safety for the average auric quickplayer :clueless:

(me)

[somber axle]

No need for keystone and as long as you have a high stability Recon (80% Damage, 80% Stopping Power, 80% Stability. Then dump stat either Mobility or Collateral with Collateral being slightly worse and the more attractive option as a dump stat) you can accurately hip fire and ADS targets pretty effectively

[shadow dagger]

on my way to greed 4 more seconds out of a boltor exe stance to kill a gunner that was likely going to die from puncture bleeds anyways

[tall torrent]

tbh, I think that's more of a gun problem
it's really hard to be getting wrecked in toughness with smth like exe boltgun because u can just wipe everything as they come into line of sight

[somber axle]

Yeah I agree. Infil feels like people mostly use it reactively to play ambulance instead of for making plays to close gaps, change position, etc. so it only ever gets used to try to stop a wipe vs Exe Stance just being more proactively deleting threats as they appear and Voice of Command mitigating what those threats can do

[tall torrent]

but for smth like helbore it can run into toughness sustain problems

no ghost, no group stagger

gg

[somber axle]

For Auric pubs I've had a lot more success running Exe Stance + Squad highlight (and even without squad highlight) vs running Auric pubs with Infiltrate

wallhacks are just so so good LOL

[tall torrent]

exe doesn't need any subnode so it ends up being same point cost as VoC if u take survivalist

[somber axle]

the extra damage, suppression immunity, stun immunity and improved impact damage on ranged attacks are all nice icing on the cake

[heady garnet]

what do you get after killing daemonhost?

[tall torrent]

banishment penance

that's a 1-time thing

after that, nothing

u just farm boss dmg ig

[heady garnet]

I haven't killed a thing

[somber axle]

I think that's Psyker exclusive though and requires a private lobby? Psyker has to do 90%+ of the Daemonhost HP in damage

[trim steppe]

weekly monster kills count

[tall torrent]

it's easy to farm in monsterous specialists

[somber axle]

killing Daemonhosts is fun but pubs tend to be pretty sketchy about touching one

[junior needle]

I have become bored of space marine 2 pvp and now have nothing to play

[somber axle]

one of my fav moments was watching Mr. Unc ask a team of Vets if they want to introduce krak to the homeless before all 4 of them tossed krak grenades onto the daemonhost repeatedly LOL

it never had a chance

[tall torrent]

black myth wukong, trust

[feral jetty]

oi bosses, hope everyone is having a good night ❤️

[heady garnet]

what's the best melee choice for lasgun build in your opinion?

[heady garnet]

gn gn

[somber axle]

idk I just got it before the big penance update by having my Aussie Ogryn friend shield tank it while I brain bursted it slowly to death

[heady garnet]

for rock and stone!

[shadow dagger]

im struggling the worst with exe boltgun xd

[feral jetty]

ogryn not goin to bed quite yet, but thank ya

[shadow dagger]

tunnel a little too hard on whats in my fov and completely forgetting that theres usually elites behind

[frank basin]

Curfew on Morningstar

[shadow dagger]

low sens and habitually wasting dodges on micropositioning fucks me up pretty bad

[serene bough]

knoife?

[serene bough]

2 hours

[heady garnet]

I guess it's a sign for me. cuz I can't understand text properly

[frank basin]

Tormenting

[narrow frost]

Rachad

[tall torrent]

not nearly as good clear speed vs dense hordes, and costs 2 more points to play well (stam regen boost)
most builds can't afford those melee-points

[frank basin]

RASHUN

[somber axle]

Rashad if you can afford the talents to hit the right breakpoints
Chainsword is fun otherwise and usually my go to since I love the aesthetic of the Chainsword for the unique 40k feel and the shredder special attack is magical to slam into boss weakspots + I enjoy the Chainsword Mk XIIIg for light spamming hordes to death with low effort
Heavy Sword is better from what I've heard but I still haven't really toyed with it on Vet at all since I've been mostly working and playing other games
Knife is also ok since you naturally grab one of the stam regen delay nodes on the way to Onslaught anyway but you also have to pick up Desperado to help Knife breakpoints so it's competing for talent point taxes with Recons

[tall torrent]

which lasgun

[somber axle]

I'd probably rank it as like

[tall torrent]

because if ur talking recon lasgun with onslaught

[heady garnet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d45941c-ff53-4a4c-94c8-3f8e139089de

[tall torrent]

rashad is out of the equation in that kind of build

[somber axle]

Rashad > Knife > Chainsword
with a big ??? on Heavy Sword because I don't have enough experience to put it in the ranking

I'd probably guess Heavy Sword is above Chainsword but below Knife

[serene bough]

id still say its pretty versatile even if it requires 2 points extra but i see your point

[tall torrent]

yea, too bad
that build won't fit rashad

[somber axle]

OH I ALMOST FORGOT

Power Sword

[tall torrent]

u'd need to drop some talents that are important to recon

[somber axle]

a very solid melee

clears hordes

[tall torrent]

power sword is much easier to fit

[somber axle]

clears bosses/carapace

low talent tax

[tall torrent]

a flat 5-point lower cost melee for smth that's basically rashad lite

is crazy

[somber axle]

it's just awkward for mobility but tbh it fits perfectly

[serene bough]

off topic

but has anyone else notice the party finder is almost always empty?

[somber axle]

as long as you're ok with the charge swing swing swing gameplay it's probably the best pick

[tall torrent]

it is versatile for most things, but the point cost hurts it a lot

like, u cannot afford so many weapons' crucial breakpoints if u go knife

[somber axle]

Power Sword Mk VI with Carapace + Brutal Momentum + Power Cycler with perfect stats can wombo combo a Crusher in 1 charged push attack and 1-2 light swings

[tall torrent]

and it's like, so much effort just to 50:50 a rashad in total dmg, in best case scenario

[heady garnet]

cat told me that build is fine

[somber axle]

I haven't even looked at the party finder tbh

[heady garnet]

what should I drop

[tall torrent]

ur missing some very important talents for rashad

[somber axle]

I thought it'd mostly be used for people trying to coordinate penance farming

[heady garnet]

ohh

[serene bough]

main reason for knife is the speed and dodge distance for me

idk what rashad mobility is like

never really bothered to try building a rashad

[tall torrent]

green circles are non-negotiable for Rashad

Yellow is optional

[heady garnet]

I guess then I will try chainsword

[tall torrent]

BID is pretty much mandatory as well tbh

[heady garnet]

and powersword

[somber axle]

The build works well for Recon but the Recon is a very talent tax heavy gun. If you swapped Bring It Down, 5% crit chance, and Superiority Complex you could get Desperado, +25 toughness and Trench Fighter Drill

[tall torrent]

5% crit chance is like, non-negotiable for recon tbh

[somber axle]

As long as you have Headtaker and Unarmoured on the Axe you can still get the Bruiser breakpoint too without the +10% melee node up top

[tall torrent]

Also that’s not +25% toughness, it’s +25

[somber axle]

Fixed! Got home after work recently and am sleepy

[tall torrent]

You basically pick between onslaught and Rashad for recon

[somber axle]

But yeah if you just build Headtaker stacks, take Desperado/Trench Fighter it's fine

[tall torrent]

And even if u drop onslaught in there
U just barely have enough damage on Rashad to hit its regular breakpoints

Crusher 3 hit is still a bit away

[serene bough]

So, genuine question

Is requiring all the points down to melee atk speed the same argument for needing points for Rashad to work

In regards to knife vs rashad

[somber axle]

I disagree. I make it work without the 5% talent node often because I run Exe Stance. It's nice to have but not a must have like Shock Trooper, Rending Strikes and Onslaught. Reciprocity is good to have too but playstyle dependent. The 5% crit node is build dependent. If you're left tree for Surv Aura/Shredder Frags/Exe Stance you're spending 2 points just to reach the 5% crit chance node and that's not worth with the other talents you could afford instead

If you're always getting Demo Stockpile yeah it's in reach

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity, desperado, atk speed are important

[somber axle]

If you're taking Demo Team to save points it is not

[tall torrent]

On your way to exe stance u have 10% crit chance while being >80% ammo in mag

[somber axle]

Yeah Opening Salvo works fantastically

[tall torrent]

If u don’t have that, the 5% crit chance is basically non-negotiable

[somber axle]

Love the new buffed version

If you're going Voice of Command or Infiltrate you can get it, if you're Exe Stance you can ignore it

[serene bough]

Yes, but if the argument is knife requires talents to make work but you need points down to atk speed, why does this not apply to Rashad

I just use recip + desperado for knife

[somber axle]

Rashad talent tax is steep too and you kinda have to have the tree built around it to make it feel good

but it feels really good when it has what it wants

Knife too

[tall torrent]

Knife wants reciprocity, desperado, attack speed, and then stamina regen delay reduction

[somber axle]

Recon needs too many talents so ideally you want a low talent tax melee. Chainsword and Power Sword are both solid low tax options

[tall torrent]

So it’s extra 2 points for CQKZ + stam regen delay reduction

Or if u were already taking shock trooper/superiority complex, 1 extra point

[somber axle]

Even if Trench Fighter Drill + Weapon Specialist melee attack speed on the Chainsword Mk XIIIg lights feel amazing

[serene bough]

I dont think atk speed is necessary, but Stam regen I see your point

[somber axle]

it doesn't need it

but wow it feels good with it

[tall torrent]

Atk speed is not necessary if you’re only using it for running

[serene bough]

My build dives left and grabs Stam regen node, so that's where I get it from

[tall torrent]

It however does make a big difference for mk6

Makes combos much smoother to do

[serene bough]

I see, haven't noticed personally a big difference

[tall torrent]

On the most complex combo attack pattern in the game

[serene bough]

I stopped using atk speed on my mk6 about a month ago

[tall torrent]

It’s worth the point spend

And u get 25 toughness on the way so it’s like

2 very high value nodes

[serene bough]

Well I've been tinkering my build a bit

I stop at 25 thp

[tall torrent]

I play this for Rashad + plasma

If I had to run knife in this, that means demo team & rending strikes dropped

Rending strikes is there only for Rashad so that’s fine

Demo team however, it’s good

[serene bough]

Knife + mg4

[tall torrent]

wtf is that

[serene bough]

Is build

[somber axle]

I've never seen the attack speed talents as important to knife tbh. It feels better but it doesn't feel strictly necessary. I usually just get Recip + Desperado and 1 stam regen delay node (all within reach of my go to Recon Mk XII build) and go wild

[tall torrent]

No Tac awareness or iron will?

[serene bough]

I personally dislike using tac awareness

Call it a handicap, but I really dislike using

[tall torrent]

It makes the punch combo for mk6 (2nd highest dps combo) way smoother to perform, and helps both general horde clear movesets on it

[somber axle]

You are very brave for ignoring Iron Will and Tac Awareness. Exil Takedown over Confirmed Kill and Out for Blood makes you extra brave

[tall torrent]

If u only use it to run around and spam PA, it’s not necessary

[somber axle]

If you make that work you make the Emperor proud and probably also make them a bit confused on how you're alive LOL

[serene bough]

I lean heavily into ghost

Sometimes I scramble the points depending on if I feel like using mercy killer or not

[somber axle]

Yeah it feels better. It doesn't feel necessary. Like attack speed makes Chainswords feel better too but I don't think they're strictly must haves for them either. Better clear time but when you have to weigh that clear time and comfort vs other options sometimes the other options win out

I'd love to have both stam regen delay nodes any time I have a knife

that's not feasible

LOL

[tall torrent]

It depends on what other options are there

And more specifically depends on which gun u want

[serene bough]

Both stam regen is somewhat overkill

[somber axle]

well ok it's feasible but feels silly

and overinvesting into knife to the detriment of my ranged weapon

[serene bough]

One node is good enough

[tall torrent]

Like, if u want Boltpistol + knife

Sorry buddy ur missing breakpoints

[somber axle]

Yeah exactly

😩

[tall torrent]

If u want plasma + knife

[somber axle]

High talent tax melee + high talent tax ranged is a bad combo

[tall torrent]

That’s 90% gonna miss breakpoints too

[somber axle]

One must suffer so the other can be strong

[tall torrent]

I don’t like knife on vet

[serene bough]

I havent stopped using knife on vet since... I don't even remember

[tall torrent]

It’s 7 point cost for a melee weapon that requires u to speedrun ahead to even come close to 50:50 Rashad in total damage

[serene bough]

Maybe a year ago

[stoic mantle]

The game reset my talent trees for everything but zealot.

[somber axle]

Ok that's fair. I was mostly wondering how you survive being shredded by ranged enemies. It's the tried and true "don't get hit!" strat and it works LOL

[stoic mantle]

im going to emperor's mercy myself

[serene bough]

Mg4 ilas with ghost can spam headshots easy

[tall torrent]

This playstyle is just cringe to me

Not as cringe as m1 staff psyker, but it’s high up there

[somber axle]

that's fair but I like the mobility for being able to dip down alleys to check for resources before regrouping with the squad even if they hardcore push up while I'm sneaking around looting

I can't do that on Rashad

it's too slow

[serene bough]

I also like building into headshots rewarding the player

[tall torrent]

I do that on Rashad

[somber axle]

that sounds like you're on that empty stamina sprint game a lot LOL

[stoic mantle]

Can I introduce you to my lord and savior, the Dclaw?

[serene bough]

I thought it was 4

[tall torrent]

Nah, 3x 15% sprint efficiency

[tall torrent]

5% melee damage, reciprocity, desperado, 25 toughness, trench fighter, CQKZ, stam regen boost

[somber axle]

even still with sprint efficiency it's hard to imagine not having to spend half a firefight sprinting to catch up on a Rashad while the squad is engaged

[tall torrent]

This is if u want to treat knife seriously as melee weapon

[serene bough]

Cqkz is definitely not necessary

[somber axle]

knife catches up to the squad and breaks even but is there for the 50:50

[tall torrent]

Not just for running around for PA

[somber axle]

Rashad does great when it arrives

[tall torrent]

CQKZ is for pathing to stam regen boost

Or u take left side shock trooper/superiority complex to get there

But that’s even more situational

[somber axle]

I really want to love the Dclaw because I love the Catachan Regiment and the parry is magical but every time I swing into flak my soul hurts

[serene bough]

I guess

Kind of a stretch imo

[tall torrent]

Rashad doesn’t need to go into superiority complex so it’s 2 point save on left side

If u have to take superiority complex you’re prob playing a gun that needs it for breakpoint

[stoic mantle]

Sounds like you aren't praising the emperor enough

[tall torrent]

Or you really like “ooh extra damage nice”

[serene bough]

Which ranged do u use

[tall torrent]

Plasma / Laspistol II / Boltgun / Lasgun IIb

[serene bough]

Well yeah these don't require sup complex as much

[tall torrent]

There’re 2 guns that really benefit from it

[stoic mantle]

I want to like the bolt gun but holy fuck the draw speed

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver

Boltpistol

[somber axle]

I'm enjoying a nice vacation in another game lately. Too much healthy stress irl and it's becoming unhealthy stress so I need to relax

[molten oar]

Bolt Pistol

[tall torrent]

Outside of those 2 idk

[somber axle]

But when I return to Darktide

[tall torrent]

I think u can skip it pretty much all the time

[somber axle]

I will give the Catachan swords another shot

[serene bough]

I'll have to test this myself

[somber axle]

I have a really good skin for them too

[tall torrent]

Like, if u play IIb infantry lasgun

I’m pretty superiority complex doesn’t even change breakpoints

[serene bough]

I think sup complex was necessary when I was tinkering around, but now I'm not sure

[tall torrent]

U 3 tap gunner/flamer on headshot, 2 tap with exe stance

Without superiority complex

Even at point blank range on scab gunner

It’s like 412 or 423 damage

With rending strikes, precision strikes and 25% flak

[serene bough]

But with MF you can reach 2hko breakpoints on gunners

I forget if sup complex is needed for that

[tall torrent]

I think MF could be so cool if
It didn’t need me to already be killing things for it to work

[somber axle]

I think you're my fav person in this server now for being one of the few people here who uses MF genuinely

[tall torrent]

“Yea buddy you’ll get your major breakpoints after u kill 3 guys with headshots”

[serene bough]

That's very kind of you

[somber axle]

Almost no one uses it and it's really fun juggling MF stacks

Plus MF is so forgiving now!

[molten oar]

Wait what's MF again

[somber axle]

The duration for immunity on stack loss with movement changed to 6 sec on weakspot kill and 3 sec on weakspot hit feels like if you're hitting heads consistently anyway it's just constantly up

[serene bough]

I personally like the idea of headshots rewarding players

[tall torrent]

Marksman’s focus

[somber axle]

and just drops when there's downtime between fights

me crabwalking out of the elevator to keep my stacks before the next fight

[serene bough]

Which is how I set up my build, albeit its pretty unorthodox

[tall torrent]

I think superiority complex is not a bad node because it is a decent amount of damage

[molten oar]

Oh

No wonder I dont know, being a marksman is pain 😭

[tall torrent]

But it’s usually 2 point grab

And that +25% ammo is not necessary outside of bolt-weapons

[stoic mantle]

Does anyone have a good WS build on hand?

[tall torrent]

And recon lasguns

[serene bough]

I guess with how I've set up my build I've inadvertently made the point requirement for knife

[stoic mantle]

My talent tree got reset

[tawdry jackal]

speaking of recon lasguns, i rolled a near perfect one

61% mobility, 79% collateral

[tall torrent]

It’d be so cool if u could take smth like
5% ranged damage -> precision strikes -> superiority complex (swap place with +25% ammo) -> marksman

[tawdry jackal]

i can let that shit go, its otherwise perfect in everythign else

[tall torrent]

That’d be so good

[tawdry jackal]

so wanna get a build for it going

shout or exe?

[somber axle]

Yeah that sounds fantastic tbh. You can dump either of those stats tbh. They give very little benefit either way above 60%

[tall torrent]

Which weapons do u wanna use

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha. Yeah the rest of the stats are 80% so im loving it

and it came at 450 value so near max

emperor's gift, praise to his name

[serene bough]

Ok time to sleep

[stoic mantle]

IDEK anymore man, I've been away a while

[serene bough]

Goodnight vet chat

[stoic mantle]

I was using dlcaw and double barrel last

[tawdry jackal]

anyone got a recon lasgun build? will be using psword as my melee option for now

[stoic mantle]

I remember using a ws build that played like a zealot only better with the revolver

[tall torrent]

oh btw @somber axle smth funny for u

after some tinkering

[somber axle]

What grenade, aura and ability do you prefer? And also what Recon variant?

[tall torrent]

I think born leader is generally the best talent in its row

[somber axle]

[tawdry jackal]

i think everyone is doing the mk12 right?

[tall torrent]

because

[tawdry jackal]

krak grenade, giving up survivalist rn

[tall torrent]

born leader scales all toughness

including the toughness u get from VoC

[tawdry jackal]

i'd be interested in doing a born leader build. Especially with out for blood

[tall torrent]

as in, when u activate VoC
game thinks you gained 100% of ur toughness, plus 50 overtoughness

this means

[somber axle]

Yeah that's the most popular one. It's still surreal thinking that people considered it to be Shredder Autopistol tier before Secrets of the Machine God and now it's one of the most generally effective and popular weapons LOL

[tawdry jackal]

i'm willing to run the other variants but everyoen just says mk12 mk12 mk12

or at least it feels that way

[tall torrent]

born leader will spread 15% of ur total toughness, in addition to D&H's 50
whenever u pop VoC

even if u barely spec toughness in curios, it's not hard to get to 165 toughness on veteran

[somber axle]

So no Surv Aura, do you want VoC? That works best for a Born Leader build for sure

[tawdry jackal]

yes

[tall torrent]

that's extra 25 (24.75 but whatever) spread with every VoC

so 75 total instead of 50

+50% value

[tawdry jackal]

is there anything else it synergizes with?

in practice. I think out for blood might be the thing that procs most often but idk if its doing shit for anyone else

[tall torrent]

I think XIV is better generally

[somber axle]

This gives you 3 leftover points to spend as you like. Here are some options on how you could spend those points depending on your playstyle

• If Out for Blood alone isn't enough toughness regen for you, you could also take Confirmed Kill and Close Order Drill with 1 point extra
• +25 toughness, Trench Fighter Drill and Weapon Specialist can be fun if you want to just take a Chainsword Mk XIIIg and spam light attacks through hordes
• +5% crit chance node, Bring It Down and Grenadier for the wombo combo triple Krak into deleting a boss
• Focus Target + Target Down for even more squad leader vibes generating extra toughness to the squad and Redirect Fire for a tiny damage bump squadwide too
• Field Improv as a 1 point fantastic team support tool
• Desperado if you're planning on going Knife or something

You could also just jump straight to Weapon Specialist through Skirmisher but I dislike Skirmisher personally

even if it does save a point

[somber axle]

that's kinda insane

[restive inlet]

Hi all, I'm genuinely really struggling trying to find another Zarona revolver on my veteran, how do I find this weapon, I bought some greys from Brunt's armory, but that didn't seem to give me one, and I haven't seen it in my armory shop for about 7 rotations

[somber axle]

I kinda want to play a squad medic build again

[tall torrent]

I cooked

unfortunately it cannot loop between veterans

as in, the born leader-spread toughness onto another veteran with born leader, won't get spread

but it's still pretty high value

[somber axle]

Support Vet is so fun to play

[tall torrent]

compared to:
occasionally +10% melee & ranged dmg for 5s that hits basically no new breakpoints
scatter shooters better

[placid portal]

wazzat skirmisher?

[tall torrent]

no, for the emperor & keep their heads down

same row as born leader

[placid portal]

would be hilarious if Vet's Toughness replenish does Infinitely cycle with born leaders

[tall torrent]

prob would be calculation nightmare

[placid portal]

probs crashed a test server

[spark helm]

What did you do for that?

Genuinely curious

[tall torrent]

yea it prob crashed test servers

[tall torrent]

take born leader (and maybe target down)
done

[placid portal]

born leader only recovers 15% of your recovered toughness so it aint much unless you activate Shout or stack a crap top of kills no? Wouldn't covering fire and Field provisions be already enough support?

[tall torrent]

well

let's say u kill 3 specialists/elites

that's 90% of ur total toughness

30% immediate, 60% over time

[placid portal]

thought Kill Confirm was 20% immediate + 10% Toughness regen oh wait I found it

[tall torrent]

but CK is strong because u kill so much stuff, the "replenish over time" effect keeps going forever

yea, 3 kills

[spark helm]

Oh. Yeah fair enough.

Was thinking there was something else tbh but I'm familiar with turning my veteran into a toughness, damage, and grenade dispenser.

Iz p. Guud

[tall torrent]

that's around 22~27 toughness to everybody else

doesn't sound like that much but

that's around 21% of psyker's total toughness (on avg)

and ~17.4% of ogryn/zealot total toughness (on avg)

[spark helm]

If you're actually dropping targets, it's great. Demolition team is great as well and I'll never sleep on it personally.

[tall torrent]

and it's passive benefit

always working

it's extra toughness ticking for ur teammates all the time

[spark helm]

I use that with my infantry lasgun exestance+target down builds.

It's just free shit.

[placid portal]

You think out for blood + born leader might do something funny? Since now every kill you do will heal 0.75% of your toughness to everyone else

[tall torrent]

it's not "a lot of toughness immediately" outside of VoC

but that's fine

if it was it'd be broken

[placid portal]

well it is low value for a reason

[tall torrent]

that row has 3 low value nodes

[spark helm]

To yall, shit.

[tall torrent]

this just happens to be the generally better one between the 3

[placid portal]

+25% supression

[tall torrent]

u have to take one between them to get to tac awareness & iron will anyway

might as well take the generally best one

[stoic mantle]

are the preem blessings for dclaw still shred and rampage?

[spark helm]

Veteran utility talents are either statically strong, mostly whatever or multiplicative.

So if sporting a lot of toughness regeneration in the first place and I just get to spread that? And I have no problem dropping targets? And I can share grenades for free?

And I provide information? And it gives toughness and dmg?

Brother.

Veteran gets to wildly just, maintain upkeep for literally everyone and the amount of effort needed has so little demand placed that I just don't see why not.

Running voc too?

https://tenor.com/view/spin-color-wheel-nailogical-simply-nailogical-gif-15013265

Where's the auric?

[placid portal]

Pretty sure Demo Team no longer shares grenades anymore but Field Provision ammo bag buff is neat

[spark helm]

Nope. It shares nades.

Wait...

https://tenor.com/view/sad-rain-flood-lady-in-rain-gif-17771695

It's over.

[placid portal]

yup

[spark helm]

vet ruined, game bad, fatshark bad

[placid portal]

had been for awhile

• the passive

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-godfather-crying-look-at-my-boy-god-father-gif-26077472

[trim steppe]

demo team give teammates nades was fun and great but so gd op it died when ogryn were given mini nukes to carry around. Can you imagine it giving your ogryn like 5-10 extra frags per game

[spark helm]

Oh wait.

I just totally forgot.

lmao.

Field Improvisation user moment

[spark helm]

I can imagine it.

What's the problem, friend?

[hearty spoke]

New to vet and having a lot of fun. Apologies if this is a noob question, but what's the main difference between the two power sword marks? (In the experienced vet's opinion)

[spark helm]

The mk3 I think is what it's called has purely horizontal heavies and bogstandard horizontal lights that are both very intuitive and easy to work with. A real cleaver's weapon/

[hearty spoke]

Thanks! It seems pretty simple and fun to swing

[spark helm]

The mk6, has more diagonal loops and a more involved light combo. The better thing with it comparatively is that its push attack followup is very good for killing carapace enemies much faster on average so long as you have the stamina for it.

And even if you don't, the power sword's versatility is only "held back" by one needing to constantly cycle the power up, which can be done with practice and awareness.

[placid portal]

Field Provision Ammopack Priority
1, Big Bomb Ogryn
2. The other Big Bomb Ogryn
3. The 3rd Ogryn with box

[hearty spoke]

I'm coming from psyker so I'm familiar with powering up swords. Appreciate the explanation.

[spark helm]

Well, that and it's practically mandatory that you give yourself access to the "Power Cycler" blessing to actually make you power ups worthwhile at higher levels.

[hearty spoke]

Makes sense

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah ps is p fun against waves of carapace

[spark helm]

Good thing though is that once you invest in that and brutal momentum, maybe sunderer if that's your fancy, or whatever else some like to use, it'll do you well for quite a while if your melee masteries are on the smaller side.

[dry cloak]

Unpowered psword is catachan sword stat wise

[spark helm]

And with brutal momentum, you can sort of cheat it. You'll have to literally just commit yourself to landing weakspot strikes at all times. And even if you don't taps sign brutal momentum is silly.

[tough tiger]

Hey dont diss my beloved dclaw

[uncut pebble]

That is an insult to the devils claw.

Unpowered power sword is a fucking paperweight.

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gambling-gamblecore-jackpot-slots-gif-14045725261200423550

[tough tiger]

Dclaw munches through hordes, just not anything else xd

[uncut pebble]

In fact, a paperweight might even do more damage in warhammer, considering it's probably a giant metal rosette.

[placid portal]

Cuts through non carapace headed elites alright

[tough tiger]

Dclaw with unyielding in a monstrous maelstrom is pretty entertaining

Until a burgle shows up but thats what the bolter is for

[placid portal]

Beast sucks to fight vs bc fight suck so you pray someone get its attention for a free backshot

[tough tiger]

FREE BACKSHOTS?

[placid portal]

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

this really comes down to the build, most builds have 1~2 point luxuries but there're better picks than stuff like field improv

[trim steppe]

I just played a malice for the first time in like 400 missions and I forgot that low level players shoot bursters

I felt like a pin ball bouncing around the arena tryna push bursters away

[misty delta]

high level players do it too you just gotta look in the wrong places

[spark helm]

run covering fire, leave no one behind, competitive urge.

[stoic thorn]

How do I know if im hitting the weakspit

[final hamlet]

Sound

[leaden skiff]

So mobility still the dump stat on bolter?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[shadow fable]

what gets best value on the blue folding shovel?

I'm assuming thrust + the dmg on stagger one + maniac + carapace

[tawdry jackal]

Wondering if I should go back to the mk3 power sword for horde clear

Currently running the 6

[trim steppe]

Is your horde clear not enough?

[tawdry jackal]

I’d like it to be “bitch be gone” levels

It’s sufficient for sure

[trim steppe]

you're spaming charged lights into hordes with the 6 ya?

[tawdry jackal]

But I’m getting more comfortable with utilizing the power up and I’m doing Ogryn so I’m getting into the habit of timing heavies

[trim steppe]

are you running brutal momentum and cycler

[tawdry jackal]

Yes

Just need to max the weapon out via empower

It’s got the right max stats

[trim steppe]

with cycler+BM + light swings at head level you should be evaporating everything in front of you

[tawdry jackal]

It’s working out but ya

I remember reading that the heavy swing on the mk3 can hit ten at once

And like..fuck bro I kinda need that sometimes

It’s also the timing

Gotta charge up, push em back, swing

[trim steppe]

if the mk3 feels better then go for it, its still a fuckin power sword

[tawdry jackal]

Mk6 feels just right but ya im trying to suss out if I can get more burst clear out of the former

[tawdry jackal]

This is what got me thinking

[dry cloak]

Change power sword to be a meter based weapon instead of chsrge get 3 attacks free

[trim steppe]

I've played way more with the mk3 than the mk6 cuz I put 50hrs onto PS vet before the mk6 existed, and by then I moved on to other weapons. So I still love the mk3, it feels right to me with my muscle memory and everything

[tawdry jackal]

I’ll give it a try later because the 3 is what I started with

[rain verge]

anyone know how to build power sword on vet

wanted to level it for horde clearing since im running plasma fun

gun*

[dry cloak]

Then get a heavy sword

[rigid schooner]

basically just:
power cycler+ bromentum/sunder

[shadow fable]

is that the case for mk3 as well?

[rigid schooner]

yup

[rain verge]

usually run that on my zealot but wanted to try out the power sword

[dry cloak]

Fair