veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Rending does much much much more than 4.5% damage

[muted prairie]

the first build of mine i tested, my crit psyker

[tall torrent]

Which weapon here

[hollow phoenix]

I’m calling revolver

[hollow phoenix]

Damnit

[tall torrent]

What’s the build

Did u have perfect timing stacks up

[muted prairie]

are you going to assume every random in your game has the exact specific build for every single breakpoint?

[terse idol]

Oh if I'm not too late for the cover discussion the big issue is that I mean

Just be short

[muted prairie]

this is a psyker build where i just slapped all the crit stuff together

[hollow phoenix]

Tell that to my Zealot who still gets his ass shredded

Granted instead of running to cover he’s charging from it

[tall torrent]

And ironically enough, this still doesn’t matter

Because just getting redirect fire here (468 x2 x1.075) gives u exactly 1006.2 damage which is enough to kill

Getting 4.5% extra from 8 stacks doesn’t change this at all

You’re looking for a scenario where redirect fire’s +7.5% is already active but still isn’t enough that you need 4.5% more

[hollow phoenix]

Does this view of logic work:
a 4.5% damage increase on each bullet would amount to the % increase multiplied by the magazine size

[muted prairie]

yes, terribly sorry i wasn't able to apply a 7.5% redirect fire buff to my psyker in the meat grinder

[hollow phoenix]

so a 10 round magazine with a 4.5% dmg increase would be only a 45% damage bonus for the entire mag

[tall torrent]

Don’t be, you merely forgot about the +7.5% assumed being there in the first place

[hollow phoenix]

or am I way off

[muted prairie]

the point that i'm making is that there are often times where you and your team will damage an enemy, but just be barely off from killing it

[terse idol]

I mean okay the situation like fully is you're looking at a difference of you need 12% damage TOTAL

[tall torrent]

This is a case of redirect fire being good, not 8 stacks being good

[terse idol]

A difference from 4.5%

[hollow ibex]

It doesn’t really matter if you aren’t hitting breakpoints in most scenarios, there’s also the issue of uptime

[terse idol]

From 7.5%

If you're missing like

12% damage

I think that's a problem of your entire build

[muted prairie]

that's the thing tho, i bet it'll happen a lot with randos

[misty delta]

on paper, you’re right, but if you have a revolver that kills 5 things in 5 shots with or without that bonus, then it doesn’t really matter

[terse idol]

Or the whole equation is you're needing 4.5% damage to move up to the 12% damage bracket

[muted prairie]

or when the team is firing on the same thing and breakpoints no longer apply

[terse idol]

Alot smallerrr

Either people build for it

Or theyre significantly off

That's how I view it

You don't accidentally just miss

4.5% damage

This is why some builds need

Fire team

[tall torrent]

On an automatic weapon, you usually get more value out of rending than 4.5% more damage

[muted prairie]

i'm highly doubting most players build for breakpoints like that

[tall torrent]

Or crit

[terse idol]

Because your talent choices mean you DO need 5% damage

Not 4.5% (conditonal)

From 7.5%

[tall torrent]

5% crit chance is more useful than 5% damage on infantry Autoguns, as an example

[hollow phoenix]

Cause crit is double damage no?

[muted prairie]

every weapon has its own crit mod, infantry autoguns have a high crit mod

so i believe it's a bit more than double

[misty delta]

it’s +50% I think? so 1.5x damage (correct me if I’m wrong)

[muted prairie]

right, but my point is that you're essentially giving a 5% damage node to everyone else as well

[terse idol]

Veterans have an innate crit chance built into our bodies

[terse idol]

Just take fire team

[muted prairie]

i want the perks of fire team, while also regenning ammo

[terse idol]

And give a 5% damage boost (conditional incoherency)

[muted prairie]

or hey, maybe i want to double up on fire team

[tall torrent]

No, finesse modifier can vary based on weapon
But weapons can have crit string which makes %crit chance do more than they appear

[orchid hemlock]

What is the 5% damage boost from?

[winter grove]

Deadshot on IAGs yes yes!

[tall torrent]

Ykw
Chances are, someone else is running fire team that you never needed the 4.5% extra in the first place

[misty delta]

skaven 🫵

[muted prairie]

i guarantee, i do not see fireteam most games

[tall torrent]

And the 4.5% damage plasma breakpoint u were going for was already a niche bodyshot breakpoints (that assumes you’re not getting headshots)

[muted prairie]

or would you like me to provide you a spreadsheet of every aura taken by every teammate i play with?

[tall torrent]

I don’t think you’ll even be able to tell a difference without that 8 stack modifier

[orchid hemlock]

Taking talents to help the team: 🤮

Taking talents to hurt your team:

[winter grove]

This is so real

[tall torrent]

No, I’m just saying, the one case you had so far was already a niche bodyshot breakpoint (that would have been the same 1 tap if it was a crit, and u could just headshot in the first place), I genuinely don’t think you’ll find much a difference without that 4.5% extra

[winter grove]

The motto of every stealth zealot

Loner aura zealots should be cruicified

[muted prairie]

look man, i've been trying to just drop this conversation and get myself dinner for like the past half hour

[coarse wolf]

point tax for stealth, but yes

[muted prairie]

all i'm saying is

for a single perk point

[tall torrent]

Go for it

[muted prairie]

getting the effect of fire team

[tall torrent]

At the end of the day that 4.5% does not matter

[muted prairie]

is not awful, actually

[misty delta]

loner is a scam anyways. I live better with the toughness DR aura AND it has better nodes leading up to it

[tall torrent]

End of discussion

[gray nebula]

anyone know if Ghost blessing combos with Duck and Dive talent?

[muted prairie]

bro, i'm not even saying it's amazing or anything

[tall torrent]

Yes

[coarse wolf]

loner is a shit aura

[muted prairie]

all i'm saying is that it's decent

[gray nebula]

awesome thanks

[terse idol]

well!

GAHH

The whole grand scheme of things

[tall torrent]

It’s not tho
It’s just bait

[terse idol]

It's not JUST 4.5% from nothing

It's a conditional 4.5% ontop of 7.5% making up 12%

[orchid hemlock]

One talent point I could have used for serrated blade

[tall torrent]

It’s not even decent, it’s bait

I would unironically run competitive urge over focused fire

[muted prairie]

did the 8 stack perk bang your wife or something

[winter grove]

Serrated blade is a bad talent*

*Unless you use mercy killer

[tall torrent]

No, it’s just not good

[muted prairie]

why do you hate the 4.5% damage team buff that much

[tall torrent]

Because it’s not good

[muted prairie]

it's an aura, for the cost of a point

[terse idol]

I mean

Conditional

[muted prairie]

*with conditions

yes

[orchid hemlock]

Isn't an aura also at the cost of a point

[terse idol]

From your already 7.5%

[tall torrent]

It’s an aura without good pathing and waste of a point

[terse idol]

Like you already have 7.5% teamwide aura

[muted prairie]

it's an aura you can choose to take if your pathing already got you there

[orchid hemlock]

Guys let's just all admit that keystones are for nerds

[terse idol]

Recon Keystoneless

[hollow ibex]

By the time you get down there there’s prob multiple options competing for the last point too. Why spend it on something mid

[muted prairie]

tbh tho i was testing a keystoneless brauto build and it wasn't doin bad

[winter grove]

Keystoneless ftw
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d35540f-b697-4055-81a0-7e5d47706a63/poster-boy

[hollow ibex]

Unironically a good idea

[terse idol]

It's funny

It's like

[tall torrent]

It’s an “aura” u shouldn’t choose to take because it’s wasted damage most if not all the time and has no pathing benefits

[terse idol]

The one way you can play the recon

[native quartz]

yeah its a good change if you have a lower ammo gun and you can swap shock trooper to something else if not running a lasgun

[orchid hemlock]

Man why did obese fish gut my auras 😔

[muted prairie]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d371f23-02ac-4c7a-949e-ca4f47eca3a3/plasma-body-breakpoints

alright, so tell me where i should put that single point and it'd make my build better

[tall torrent]

I think I told u to move 5 points to get attack speed

[winter grove]

Say, why can't we get shit like this as free cosmetics and instead have to pay irl money for better drip

[tall torrent]

Since u wanted to run a Rashad

[muted prairie]

that's not one point

you said that point can be spent better

[austere mica]

Because their shop is run by level infinite

[muted prairie]

if you want me to move points all over the place, i already have one going down the right tree

[tall torrent]

Oh that’s easy then, demo team

If u just wanted 1 point, demo team

Or marksman

Marksman is 20% strength

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad without trench 😔

[tall torrent]

But u were saying u wanted a Rashad and I saw 5 points that can easily be moved

To get to atk speed

[tall torrent]

Even grenade tinkerer? For blowing up bosses

Since you’re running krak

[muted prairie]

i am definitely not going to trade 5% team damage aura for a grenade every once in a while

[winter grove]

Speaking of rashad, anything I can change in this build?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d33748e-92f9-43b2-9734-e5c271df6fb2/my-mouse-hates-me

[tall torrent]

Run marksman then

[austere mica]

Probably change surgical to deadly accurate

[muted prairie]

for more reliable headshot oneshots i already make? conditional that i just used my ability?

[austere mica]

You already have garunteed crits

[orchid hemlock]

Oh no

[tall torrent]

Are u actually trying to run Boltpistol

[muted prairie]

i already reach the headshot breakpoints, why would i take marksman?

[tall torrent]

You wanted better talents, this is “better talents”
It’s not ranged weakspot only, it helps your melee weapons

You already gave up everything on right side

Why would u not want to 3 tap crushers

It’s not like you don’t use VoC at all

[muted prairie]

i'd much rather reliably bodyshot gunners

and also give my team damage

[tall torrent]

[winter grove]

I just use it to pull out, shoot some random guy in the crowd and do rashading

I could try DB or something else

[tall torrent]

Hell, even stamina regen delay reduction is better in this case lol

[muted prairie]

i mean, do you honestly think every random you play with has a fine tuned breakpoint build? you don't think there's randoms out there who are just 5% off?

[winter grove]

Yeah DB seems like an idea

[austere mica]

Double barrel weapon spec is really fucking fun

Hold on

[tall torrent]

If they can’t kill stuff efficiently, I’ll kill stuff efficiently in their stead

[muted prairie]

wow, i'm very impressed, what a cool one liner

[winter grove]

If he can't kill shit means more shit for me to kill

Means I get to have more fun

[tall torrent]

Well, if ur goal is to min-max for breakpoints, is that not the end goal

[winter grove]

Win-win

[tall torrent]

[muted prairie]

my end goal is to win games

[orchid hemlock]

My team shmy team,

What about I just loner Zealot

[junior haven]

I kill em dead in the head.

[muted prairie]

that involves helping my teammates

[winter grove]

You're playing Veteran

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh I have played builds that are designed to herd my team, and they still refuse to get my help ☠️

[muted prairie]

yup, and i do tons of ranged and melee damage too

i can spare a single point to help my team, and myself

[tall torrent]

I think the most you can do is just run born leader and expect them to stick close to u

[austere mica]

I run this with manstopper/flechette and a mk 3 knife with uncanny/precog

[molten hound]

You help your team by killing shit

[tall torrent]

But other than that, all in on kill efficiency

[winter grove]

Yeah and that's basically only way you help your team

[tall torrent]

Ok because outside of crits, that Boltpistol is gonna miss 1 tap breakpoints

[winter grove]

Except like

VoC

[misty delta]

this ^

[winter grove]

I see

Would you suggest DB rashad just to kill everything

[muted prairie]

that too, and i like to run target down

[tall torrent]

Sure? That’s a preference thing

[winter grove]

If I feel funny I can just grab revolver with that build

I am sure it hits bps

[austere mica]

You can also do this with bistol

12 seconds in for the silly

[muted prairie]

i don't wanna bring out the scoreboard mod histories, because bragging about my team damage and special kills would be cringe

but dude, as a vet you have tons of damage, you can spare a point for a bit more damage (that also helps the team)

[molten hound]

You can clear auric with goofy builds if you are a good player

It's not very difficult

[austere mica]

You can clear auric with no build if you are a good player

it just sucks

[tall torrent]

U could also move 5 points into atk speed and make a Rashad that terrifies the very chaos gods

It’s ur choice not to

[muted prairie]

and i have a build that does that

i like that build quite a bit

agile engagement is excellent for oneshotting

but i also have the more team-supporty, ranged focused build

anyways, i've been meaning to ask this

when you say "bait", do you mean mediocre in most circumstances, or downright bad?

because if you meant the first one i could totally agree

[tall torrent]

Bait as in, it’s a trap that causes u to spend a point that could be better spent elsewhere

[tawdry jackal]

Can i do without weapon specialist at all as a ranged veteran?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[muted prairie]

yeah most people do

[tall torrent]

U run a Boltgun and kill everything before they become problems

The imperium way

[muted prairie]

if you're sticking to lots of ranged damage like a lasgun? i don't think people would take weapon specialist

[tawdry jackal]

alright, caveat: want to be able to hang in auric matches. Can I do this and also make do in melee with say a chainsword

perhaps the shovel or a power sword?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tawdry jackal]

changing my builds

[austere mica]

Weapon specialist is the melee keystone in my experience

[muted prairie]

that's how i got my auric storm survivor

[tall torrent]

But idk abt chainsword lol

[tawdry jackal]

yeah chainsword might not to do it, might have to go shovel

or Psword

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t use chainsword

[muted prairie]

chainsword is solid, power sword is probably technically better but the chainsword is comfy

[tall torrent]

There’re only 3 broad categories of veteran builds

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad Rashad and Rashad?

[tall torrent]

"can it afford 10% atk speed and stam regen"
yes -> knife
no -> "can it afford just 10% atk speed"
yes -> rashad
no -> power sword / duelling sword

[orchid hemlock]

I thought u were supposed to take Stam regen no matter what 🤔

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

I don’t take it in my builds

I’d only run it with knife

[tawdry jackal]

ive been told to take stamina regen in the apst but never really do

why am i putting one point into it when i can have a whole ass talent that has a larger effect?

[tall torrent]

It’s good, it’s just placed awkwardly that it usually costs at least 2 points to reach

And for 2 points u could grab better things

[orchid hemlock]

Can't u ussualy get it from superiority complex?

[tall torrent]

U could also cope with stamina problems by taking sprint efficiency since most of ur stamina drain is likely from sprinting

[tall torrent]

Yea but u usually don’t need superiority complex

Superiority complex (for 2 points)
Does less than focus target + redirect fire (same 2 points, applied to more enemies, is more damage)

There’re cases where superiority complex helps

[muted prairie]

when u say this, do you mean like, only whip out your melee for hordes or small fry kinda thing?

actually i guess just what weapons were u planning to use?

[tawdry jackal]

mk6 powersword is currently what i plan to use, historically have used mk13 and mk4 chainsword. Have learned to love the shovel as a veteran this last 1-30 veteran playthrough since I went from gamepass PC to Steam

[muted prairie]

power sword is strong enough without any perks so ye you shouldn't have any problem

as long as your melee game is on par

[tawdry jackal]

melee for me has three roles: hordes, avoiding being dunked in melee (block and push), and handling targets when the gun is empty

[tall torrent]

What does ur talent tree look like

Because if u could spare 5 points u could afford to run a Rashad instead of Rashad lite

[muted prairie]

i think if the guy is only using melee for those roles, he won't need to redirect 5 points into melee

[tall torrent]

Depends on how much he can afford

[slow spade]

to be fair it leads to Reprocity and +25 toughness

[tall torrent]

Because if he can’t afford anything into bottom right, then power sword / duelling sword 100%

[slow spade]

so those 2 points are useful

[orchid hemlock]

Would u take it here? ILG

[tall torrent]

Take what, superiority or focus target

[muted prairie]

that's true, could be useful depending on his build

[orchid hemlock]

Stam regen

[tall torrent]

Depends on ur melee

[orchid hemlock]

DS

[tall torrent]

But I don’t even go shock trooper for infantry lasgun

Or extra ammo

[hollow phoenix]

Does Hellbore Lasgun benefit more from Focus Target?

[tall torrent]

It benefits yes

[hollow phoenix]

Than MF

[tawdry jackal]

the plan is to avoid going into bottom right for some ranged builds

in the past I've thoroughly enjoyed running at least the weapon specialist keystone

[orchid hemlock]

OK when do you take Stam regen delay then? 🤔

[tall torrent]

What are those said ranged builds

[tall torrent]

Knife builds

[hollow phoenix]

How does a shotgun work with Onslaught?

[tawdry jackal]

i'll generate some examples shortly

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t

[orchid hemlock]

That's it?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[muted prairie]

WS is great, but if you wanna try out focus target you'll get used to it fast

[hollow phoenix]

Imagine if each pellet applied brittleness

[winter grove]

What are the good blessings and perks for ws DB?

[hollow phoenix]

[orchid hemlock]

Gracias senor🫡

[muted prairie]

i'd recommend you find a good button for mark tho. mine used to be on scroll, and that was super inconvenient for marking while shooting. it's on f now so it's on the left hand while my right aims and shoots

[austere mica]

Manstopper (mandatory) and scattershot (lets your fire a second shot or fire with one stack) or flechette (funny crit maxxing)

[tall torrent]

I mean, for a weapon type that’s designed to 1~2 shot things, taking talents that only help after first two shots seem a bit counterintuitive

[hollow phoenix]

True

[fading yarrow]

I fired a single boltgun shot over a dormant Daemonhost on Damnation and it woke up and attacked
A single bolt
Am I missing something or are DHs that sensitive on Damnation?

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ecd06-9d4b-4686-8224-cd6f1be58c2a/boltgunner-2
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ef18f-a2e4-4ca4-accf-c413c68009c5/bolt-pistol-cs-vet
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1aada8-9bba-4bf3-aa91-009a019d3b54/plasma-ws-build

These are older builds. I've had my builds tweaked whenever I run into someone new on discord that has given me new advice @tall torrent

[hollow phoenix]

If only Onslaught was in any other path

[tall torrent]

Bolt hit
Bolt explosion (another hit)

[muted prairie]

dh's wake up after a certain level of activity, that your team can do as well

[orchid hemlock]

What about duck and dive?

[winter grove]

And perks?

[tall torrent]

It’s generally not worth

[muted prairie]

most likely, someone else pissed it 99% off then you pissed it the last 1% off

[tall torrent]

I don’t take it either

[hollow phoenix]

I just like the idea of a weapon making an enemy take more damage

Like a utility tool

[fading yarrow]

Ree

[tawdry jackal]

What I'm hoping to gain from our discussion is one or two new builds, optimized as best as can be managed around the use of the boltgun as the primary weaponsystem. Bolt Pistol secondary would be my preference.

[austere mica]

Flak and maniac (dreg ragers) or infested (more effectiveness versus horde at higher ranges/depth into crowd)

[tawdry jackal]

am open to using other weapons

can handle plasma gun but it doesn't feel as satisfying for some reason anymore. Would consider the helbore lasgun as well

[austere mica]

Its like the only weapon that can justify infested as a perk

I still wouldn't

[muted prairie]

i'd suggest you try out out for blood. it's a lot of toughness

[fading yarrow]

It can't have hit the DH though, there was a horde coming up the hallway behind it and I aimed at head height - way above the host

[tawdry jackal]

am comfortable with the shovel and chainsword primarily, can handle power sword. Have dabbled with the duelling sword and liek it

[tall torrent]

Boltgun build, I’d personally just run exe stance because u have to take a bunch more talents to hit the same breakpoints and to me that’s just not worth it

It happens to have just enough points to go 10% atk speed after exe stance build

[tawdry jackal]

I really want to use it alot more

[muted prairie]

it's wacky. like, zealots get a node that's +50% toughness on melee kill and we get one that's twice as good, and works with ranged

i'm gonna grab dinner, i'll take a deeper look at ur builds in a bit

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol build, this one is funny because Boltpistol really wants frags, and this build is missing breakpoints
Since ur already going 10% atk speed, u could just take a Rashad instead

[tawdry jackal]

saved that build according to your tree. was surprised we didn't go further on left

[tawdry jackal]

have to level the rashad, have honestly never really used it that much

[tall torrent]

It’s not necessary because:
superiority complex only helps with rager 1HS in exe stance but ragers move so much I just don’t think it matters

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

If u were running smth like a shock maul then I’d say get krak + Boltgun exe with superiority complex

[tawdry jackal]

that makes sense. Why focus target over weapon specialist?

[tall torrent]

1 taps outside of exe stance

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

I don’t trust exe stance uptime

I want my most important 1 taps always available

Exe stance is just a “Gunlugger ult” equivalent to me

Speaking of
That Boltgun build is basically Gunlugger but better lol

[tawdry jackal]

ok so we got a boltgunner build exe stance, now I need a shout build option

weapons can change and i'll level them up and get good with them

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t take Boltgun with VoC

I have plasma with VoC

Plasma exe stance I don’t like

It’s just always gonna miss some breakpoint unless I give up atk speed

[winter grove]

So like this?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d33748e-92f9-43b2-9734-e5c271df6fb2/in-the-first-age-in-the-first-battle-when-the-shadows-first-lengthened-one-stood-he-chose-the-path-of-perpetual-torment-in-his-ravenous-hatred-he-found-no-peace

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1aada8-9bba-4bf3-aa91-009a019d3b54/plasma-ws-build so workign off this one?

[tall torrent]

No, plasma WS build looks really cursed (but is actually very strong)

[austere mica]

You can take more grenades over revive speed but yeah

[misty delta]

holy terra hammer you have your work cut out for you

[austere mica]

I just take revive speed cause what the fuck am I doing with an extra smoke grenade

[misty delta]

nvm I thought both links were directed at hammer

[tall torrent]

Plasma WS

You basically can’t have both survivalist and WS for plasma unless u want to miss breakpoints

Because it needs either fire team or redirect fire for 1 taps

[winter grove]

@tall torrent you know shit much better than I do, any recommendations for changes?

[tawdry jackal]

my man

[misty delta]

statement withdrawn

[tawdry jackal]

not what the tree is showing, thats lower down it

also that one is about to get edited, gimme a sec

[tall torrent]

I was cooking smth up today with elite + weakspot on plasma, taking superiority complex for breakpoints

It turned out to be:
1397 maniac headshot (miss flamer 1HS by 3 damage)
991 flak bodyshot (miss shotgunner bodyshot 1 tap by 9 damage)

So u really have to take either fire team or redirect fire basically

[winter grove]

Better use fire team

[tall torrent]

Works
Personally tho I’d take +1 grenade over LNOB

[orchid hemlock]

Is catch a breath ever worth it in Aurics anymore?

[tall torrent]

Mb, replied to wrong person

[tawdry jackal]

np, also its adjusted: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1aada8-9bba-4bf3-aa91-009a019d3b54/plasma-ws-build

[muted prairie]

I dont think i ever spend time outside of 8m of enemies in auric lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s ok for solo/duo or clutch
It’s basically loner aura but not taking aura slot

[winter grove]

I could possibly even change rashad for ps6

Just to fit the title lol

[tall torrent]

Allows u to trade toughness with shooters

And not get worn down

[tawdry jackal]

build had weapons and blessings switched: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ecd06-9d4b-4686-8224-cd6f1be58c2a/boltgunner-2

powersword mk6 is on, put surgical on the boltgun vs cavalcade

[orchid hemlock]

But is it better than get back in the fight?

[tall torrent]

Am not sure why you need charismatic

[tawdry jackal]

it must have been an accident

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire helps with breakpoints

And if u really wanted to run power sword, I wouldn’t spent a single point on bottom right

U don’t need 10% atk speed

That 10% atk speed path is for Rashad

[tawdry jackal]

yeah thats what im saying

[muted prairie]

Ehhh i trust back in the fight more because you can voc

[tall torrent]

Boltgun I run puncture + pinning fire, flak & maniac

[tall torrent]

Yea

[misty delta]

why no surgical?

[tall torrent]

I can get all my major breakpoints without crit with this set-up, no RNG involved

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha

[misty delta]

oh nice

[hollow phoenix]

Oh

I’m so fucking stupid

I just realized why the game uses wounds

[tawdry jackal]

yeah assume im running a mk6 power sword with everything

[tall torrent]

If ur gonna use power sword

Get superiority complex

Get krak grenades with tinkerer

[orchid hemlock]

What are the "low investment" melees again? 🤔

I know DS and PS

[tall torrent]

Power sword, duelling sword, shock maul, shovel
Are the lowest imo

[tawdry jackal]

alright let me adjust the build

[misty delta]

krak, tinker, AND power sword seems a little overkill innit

I found that just krak and PS is sufficient

[tall torrent]

Krak gives u stagger window for huge boss damage

Power sword is pretty aids to fight monsters with in a prolonged fight

It’s better if u could kill it in 5s

Krak also removes bulwarks for u (big problem for exe stance)

[misty delta]

Where does tinker come into play? Genuine curiosity I wanna boost my own knowledge

[tall torrent]

Give ur kraks +50% damage vs bosses

2 krak is like a third of their health gone

Plus exe stance Boltgun
Plus power sword (poke while they’re staggered by krak)

[tawdry jackal]

check it again @tall torrent

cannot thank you enough for your help btw

[tall torrent]

Why fire team now

[tawdry jackal]

have concerns about this talent

[misty delta]

I see. I kinda figured boltgun PS would be good enough with the stagger from base krak

[tawdry jackal]

wasn't sure if i needed to streamline but it was a fast way to get to tinkerer

i really dont like "catch a breath" even though survivalist is based

[tall torrent]

Last point up to u

[misty delta]

what is your concern?

[tawdry jackal]

reliabiltiy

[tall torrent]

Rager 1HS, mauler 2 bodyshot in exe stance with superiority complex

[tawdry jackal]

then again if a horde comes, its gonna proc right?

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex is 15% elite damage

Catch a breath is 5% toughness/s when no enemies are within 8m

The thing is

[tawdry jackal]

wait

[misty delta]

^ unconditional. doesnt get more reliable than that

[tawdry jackal]

i missunderstood

i thought we were talkign competitive urge

lmfao nevermind

[misty delta]

all good

[tawdry jackal]

i always fucking take superiority complex. i just forgot the name for a sec

[tall torrent]

Would u rather have toughness natural regen even when out of coherency
Or a talent that only works like once in 20 games

With Boltgun u can kill so many things before they become problems I don’t think I even got toughness broken once

[tawdry jackal]

alright you can f5 the page

think im good to go. I'm taking field improv for the boys

[winter grove]

5% crit :)

[tawdry jackal]

i know its very much "it matters only when it matters" but i wasn't sold on any of the other keystone talents

out for blood is really nice but it helps me, not the team

thought about rending strikes and demo team too

[muted prairie]

You could grab target down, for extra survivability

[tawdry jackal]

could just do out for blood instead

[muted prairie]

Especially since you'll be popping elites and specialists left and right

You already had out for blood right?

[tawdry jackal]

i did and thats how i got to 30

[muted prairie]

Aha, gimme a sec. Is the link the most recent now?

[tawdry jackal]

yes go ahead and check

[muted prairie]

Me personally I'd drop tinkerer for target down

[tawdry jackal]

i think the plasma ws vet build, i think that becomes the shout build

[tawdry jackal]

that boss damage though, also it was a hammer rec

you want bosses to go away

[tall torrent]

tinkerer is just for boss dmg

[muted prairie]

I think you do well enough with bosses with regular kraks and bolter, but it'd come down to personal preference

[tall torrent]

u can drop it

[muted prairie]

Like, do u want boss damage or more team survivability

[tall torrent]

this is regular boltgun with red stim
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=670eaadf&is=670d595f&hm=ccaee9bd4102854afd338092e9340c57630b92e6dc51db2b690a5249b1a354b2&

[muted prairie]

Indeed. I'd save tinkerer for a build that cant shred bosses so well

[fading yarrow]

[iron marten]

any monstrous specialists maelstrom, I run this at the top (this is with mk4 helbore)

[tawdry jackal]

ok now a shout build

[misty delta]

to quote rannik, “There is an impostor among us”

[muted prairie]

You're a braver man than i, running with neither of the super strong toughness regen perks

[placid portal]

What blessings would make my stabby Polish Saber better

[iron marten]

I'm pretty stretched for points cause I use a knife as well, so the bottom looks like this lol

[tawdry jackal]

could you quickly show me a plasma/psword talent tree for a shout build please?, I had the one from before but you said if Psword, ignore right side

[iron marten]

ET is pretty good when you hit headshots

and FT is just a budget confirmed kill

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d1aada8-9bba-4bf3-aa91-009a019d3b54 build as last seen

[tall torrent]

That’s super generalist
U can move the 5 points on bottom right to anything u want tbh

And 5% crit chance

Normally for a Rashad build (in this pic), demo team and 5% crit chance are the floating points

I chose those 2 cuz they’re generally good

[misty delta]

I’d replace the cooling blessing with rising heat or blaze away

[muted prairie]

I'd swap to kraks, better grenade and you'd save a node

[tall torrent]

I tried focused cooling, it’s alright

[tawdry jackal]

the hammer of the emperor word doc had coolign blessing as a recommendation. And i found it interesting for a sec. I think I originally range gets hot and blaze away

[tawdry jackal]

crowd control tho

[tall torrent]

Krak is not better than frag, it depends on situation

[placid portal]

Krak also deploys slower which is also another note

[tall torrent]

Focused cooling allows u to shoot more with crit chance, it’s around 9~10 shots from 0% heat, and if u crit twice u could shoot 3 times at 80% heat

It’s ok for QoL

[misty delta]

Interesting. I still have to try it for myself. I can’t imagine a time where volume of fire is better than hitting more breakpoints tho

[muted prairie]

With psword, i think you could run either grenade. But i personally wouldn't go out of my way for frags

[tall torrent]

Well, rising heat doesn’t hit that many new breakpoints

U can hit all the main ones without it

It’s just nice because extra damage that’s multiplicative

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1aada8-9bba-4bf3-aa91-009a019d3b54/plasma-shout-build updated

[tall torrent]

And saves u from tagging, occasionally

[misty delta]

I’m mainly a blaze away enthusiast for when things get hectic / bosses

[tawdry jackal]

very thankful to all of you guys rn

pretend it says blaze away tho

[tall torrent]

If u play blaze away I think u should try that + optimized cooling

Optimized cooling gives u 11 continuous shots from 0 heat

That’s 3 extra shots at full blaze stacks

[misty delta]

sounds funny I’ll give it a try

[tall torrent]

If ur goal is to magdump, there’s no better magdump than that

[tawdry jackal]

i do like running it hot tho

[misty delta]

oh well WS can carry my crit chance for the first half of the mag

[tall torrent]

Drop exhilarating takedown for superiority complex

[bold bridge]

Sorry, catching up--this runs boltgun and psword6? What blessings/perks?

[tawdry jackal]

f5 it

[tall torrent]

Power sword 6
Elite + maniac
PC + BM

Boltgun
Flak + maniac
PF + puncture

[wild summit]

so what infantry autogun is the best?

i mean in terms of raw damage, MK1 seems best

[winter grove]

Vraks 5

[tall torrent]

And probably drop 8 stacks for smth else ngl
Marksman?

[tawdry jackal]

so what i was saying is i was told in the past, based on another guide to run blaze away and gets hot together

[tall torrent]

8 stacks doesn’t help ur breakpoints there

[tawdry jackal]

yeah that could work

[bold bridge]

Sweet. Thanks!

[muted prairie]

I think maybe play around with your breakpoints

[wild summit]

any reasopn why it is above the others?

[muted prairie]

What are your plasma perks?

[tall torrent]

That was before the new blessings got added
I still think gloryhunter is neat tho

[tawdry jackal]

yeah my thought was blaze away provides benefits as i get up to 80-95% heat. And then im tap firing it out

[tall torrent]

Vraks V
Highest dps, best innate armor damage modifiers

[tawdry jackal]

i think focused cooling would be the way to go

[muted prairie]

Gloryhunter's definitely solid, i kinda miss using it now

[tall torrent]

It needs gets hot for crit chance

[tawdry jackal]

boss fight was the only reason i thought to put it on

[wild summit]

fairs

[winter grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1231754382366736424/Desktop_2024.04.22_-_10.51.07.03.mp4?ex=670f0029&is=670daea9&hm=be3dac76e56d716dff11dafe3b22556cf18b92a2dc4ba744c87e2bb0d712d328&

[tawdry jackal]

no i mean gets hot +focused cooling

[misty delta]

it also crits in sets of 3 while the others are only in sets of 2

[tawdry jackal]

could do rising heat to pair with gets hot

[wild summit]

gotta love some healthy BRRRT

[tall torrent]

Mk8 is also 3-string

[misty delta]

oh what

I tested these like last night I coulda sworn-

[muted prairie]

This is what i run, and it's solid

[misty delta]

anyways

ignore that

[tall torrent]

Try it, u might like it, u might not

[wild summit]

is there btw any reason to pick vigiliant autoguns with IA existing?

[tall torrent]

It’s a QoL blessing

[muted prairie]

I got into the mindset of keeping my heat high and not cooling tho, but that was a mentality thing

[tawdry jackal]

i think i would enjoy it but need to test out in the psykhanium and see how often im hitting heads. Usually pretty often on those that matter

i often vent manually to 60% in crisis situations in order to squeeze off a few more shots while trying to take advantage of gets hot

[muted prairie]

If you're looking for a dmr kinda style but the boltgun is too clunky?

[wet ether]

Anyone here guilty of aggro dumping as a stealth vet?

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gif-5332537

[tawdry jackal]

ok i think im good to go, appreciate yall

[wild summit]

so braced and vigilant autoguns are basically not efficient options?

[winter grove]

Lmfao

No

[muted prairie]

Gl!

[wet ether]

I am very much guilty

[tall torrent]

The problem is that it’s a bit RNG

At 80% heat, you need to crit twice to have a 3rd shot

[winter grove]

If those ogryns can't defend themselves then I am not sorry

[muted prairie]

I quite like my brauto, but i cant speak too much on vigilant autos

[misty delta]

not efficient in a minmax sense but they’re different and sometimes fun to play around with

[wet ether]

If there an ogryn on the team I’ll try my best not to aggro dump

[misty delta]

I like both my brautos and vigilants

[muted prairie]

But if you're dumping aggro... You arent ACTIVELY SLAUGHTERING???

[misty delta]

but they’re definitely an acquired taste

[wet ether]

Because those big fellas have my respect

[winter grove]

It's not my fault ogryns have bad melees

[wet ether]

Truth

[tall torrent]

They’re fine

It’s just that Vraks V is absurdly broken

Top 2 gun on veteran

[misty delta]

just give them dueling sword to even the playing field

[wild summit]

btw i am struggeling a bit atm i wanna take marksman focus, however onslaught and bring it down are kinda far away .... any suggestiongs on how to gain some points?

[winter grove]

They already have pickaxes

[tall torrent]

Why do u need onslaught

[winter grove]

It stands out so much because it's actually good

[wet ether]

Hey you leave my baby the infantry autogun vraks out of this

[tall torrent]

It needs nerf

[muted prairie]

I was wondering this cuz i didnt test the vraks v too much. Wouldn't it be better on other classes with their crit abilities and whatnot?

[wild summit]

it says on the bottom Onslaught (vrak5)

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

It’s a situational pick

[misty delta]

true. I used to use shovels, then tried pickaxes, and whenever I try to go back it feels awful

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-i-like-you-i-want-to-kill-you-kill-you-gif-4361579

[tall torrent]

Vet has higher damage scaling

[wild summit]

so if the focus rending better than brittlenes or how does that work?

[tall torrent]

What does ur talent tree look like rn

[wet ether]

My tree is weird as fuck rn also I’m not at my pc

[winter grove]

Sucks I can't even do ranged ogryn build

[coarse wolf]

ds and knife need a nerf

[winter grove]

Knife

Lol

[wet ether]

You can can’t you?

[winter grove]

Lmao even

[wild summit]

rest is just a way straight down ... i would like to take deadshot for massive crit chains but yeh

[winter grove]

Without having 90% of my ammo gone in first half

[terse idol]

The knife when it one combos a crusher

[winter grove]

Knife when it comes to killing just 6 poxwalkers

[muted prairie]

ranged oggy with pickaxe works

[wet ether]

Hey that’s only 10% that actually hits the target

[winter grove]

EXACTLY

[tall torrent]

Why do u have to get marksman’s focus

I’m confused

[wet ether]

Because fuck it why not

[orchid hemlock]

Some people want to watch the world burn 😔

[winter grove]

"Born to ogryn, forced to vet"

• Resident ogryn player finds out classes with good melee options

[muted prairie]

you are the bravest of us all. but i am curious to hear how good it is

[wet ether]

Here a man who belongs in this chat

[wild summit]

i wanted to take best in slot option for MMF and las pistol and Inautos are apparently best in slot for it

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword for sure
Knife (at least for vet) is kind of ok, but it’s way too strong specifically for zealot

[tall torrent]

Most people don’t even take marksman’s focus

[wild summit]

like i wanted to make a build that works with MMF

[coarse wolf]

on zealot specifically both ds AND knife are insanely powerful

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/it-movie-it-movie-gifs-gross-ew-disgusting-gif-8608513

[wild summit]

i can imagine i just really like number go up

[muted prairie]

hey, maybe he's a headshot god and he instakills everything? i won't judge prematurely

[tall torrent]

DS is turbo broken on vet too, I agree it’s too strong

Knife tho, I feel it’s just too good on zealot

Veteran had to go some turbo cursed pathing to make knife feel good, and psyker doesn’t scale that high with knife so it’s mostly just movement tool (?)

[wild summit]

honestly MMF is AMAZING with deadshot, helps you get those easy headshots

[tall torrent]

What melee do u want to run

[wild summit]

good question, at best one that needs the same perks that vraks needs 😂 lemme check

[coarse wolf]

knife on anyone is a decent choice, don't even have to build with it because yeah most people use it as a movement tool. it's just on zealot especially it has blessings that can stack with zealot talents that make it uber busted

[winter grove]

Knife is a shittiest horde clear ubless you're a zealot

[misty delta]

most psykers I’ve talked to use ds over knife for movement

[winter grove]

Only psykers had dueling swords soooo

[coarse wolf]

HA. no, mk6 exists

[tall torrent]

I think it’s just zealot talents that specifically scale out of hand for knife

Knife is a decent pick for vet & psyker for movement, but for vet to actually use it proper it needs more talent investment than every other melee weapon just to do like half the total damage

[winter grove]

Mk6 is still shit

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s surprisingly good

[coarse wolf]

i mean one of the allurs of veteren is the powersword so

[coarse wolf]

not even

[wild summit]

would the shock club work well with the vraks?

[wet ether]

Bro if I’m being honest yes I am one brave bastard but fuck me does the left side keystone suck

I can’t stand still for the life of me

[tall torrent]

Yea, I just think it’s specifically zealot where it scales way too hard
On vet I think the cost vs return justifies what it is rn

[tall torrent]

Works

[muted prairie]

i'm gonna give it some testing. what gun would you wanna run with it? recon las?

[wild summit]

i rarely struggle keeping myself and 10 stacks

[coarse wolf]

zealot in general just needs a nerf

[wild summit]

but that is cause i am running deadshot

[tall torrent]

Power creep in general needs to be tuned down

I eagerly await BM nerf

[winter grove]

How come?

[coarse wolf]

getting closer to everything being viable but atm there's some things that are blatantly shit compared to others

[nova timber]

can anyone help me with orthos offensive damnation hard mode?

[wild summit]

BM?

[wet ether]

Personally probably the vigilant or the helbore but others know better than me

[tall torrent]

It’s roughly equal with shock mauls / shovels vs dense hordes, but it kills smaller groups much faster so u can get through the map super quickly outside of horde events

[wet ether]

@orchid hemlock you know better then me bro what would you use

[coarse wolf]

bromentum
brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum

[winter grove]

Maybe it's just because I use mk6 on psyker

[wild summit]

is it still too strong?

[winter grove]

Which is like

[wild summit]

haya

[winter grove]

God damn

[tall torrent]

Would u like to kill 4 enemies per swing

[winter grove]

Psyker melee SUCKS

[wild summit]

I mean to not some weapons do that without bromentum?

[tall torrent]

No

Pretty much nothing kills 4 per swing (every swing)

[tall torrent]

For psyker, knife is mainly movement tool

[wild summit]

what if it gave move speed and cleave (damage) per kill instead? would still be on brand with the name

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s a really cool blessing rn, but it does too much

Shouldn’t be “kill 4 per swing”

[wild summit]

so just lower damage number i suppose?

[tall torrent]

U can trivialize every horde with it

[tall torrent]

Not damage number, it shouldn’t carry forth first target damage to as many targets

[wet ether]

I love my chain sword

[wild summit]

fair enough

[tall torrent]

I’d much prefer if combat axes have higher innate cleave and BM only applied to 2 enemies

[winter grove]

Yeah I used it as actual melee on gunker

And as it turns out

Mk6 is shit on psyker for dmg

[tall torrent]

Psyker melee damage is generally not good lol

[muted prairie]

chainsword, my beloved. just so comfy

[winter grove]

Why do you think they had Dueling swords

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword is still just single target one trick

[tall torrent]

5th veteran tree rework let’s gooo

[wet ether]

Really the psyker version of the powersword ain’t good?

[tall torrent]

You can check how fast illisi goes through a horde

[coarse wolf]

they need to make focus not shit
and consolidate the other 2 keystones

[tall torrent]

And compare that with actual horde clear powerhouse weapons

[winter grove]

No

[muted prairie]

i had some decent luck with a disrupt destiny illisi build, but that's a bit specific

[winter grove]

Melee psyker is a myth

[tall torrent]

I like the other 2 keystones where they are rn (WS can use a nerf tho)

[winter grove]

Gunker only helps a bit with melee

[wet ether]

Oh I know how fast it goes through a horde hence why I use my purg staff for hordes

[austere mica]

Illisi can manage pretty reasonably clear with special heavy spam and By Crack Of Bone

near full refunds on every slice

[wet ether]

And illisi sword for big cunts

[tall torrent]

I have no idea who spread the myth of duelling sword being good at horde clear because I checked it and it took twice as much time as mk6 knife for 50 pox while having SG active

[winter grove]

Deimos

[wet ether]

Oh Deimos thank you

[austere mica]

someone did?

[wet ether]

That’s what I meant

[austere mica]

That thing is absolutely pathetic in that regard

[tall torrent]

I saw a bunch of people in psyker chat saying duelling sword 4 with SG is good for horde clear

Then I check it

36 seconds

[misty delta]

what is SG?

[tall torrent]

[wild summit]

btw, is there any gun one could consider best in slot for infiltrate?

[tall torrent]

40s+ without SG

So much clicking, my hands hurt

[tall torrent]

Scrier’s gaze

[misty delta]

oh. talking about psykers.

[wet ether]

Yes yes yes infantry autogun vraks

[misty delta]

gotcha

[winter grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1250339600887578684/scriers_gaze.png?ex=670eb7bf&is=670d663f&hm=45268c2ab545af95163224b775fb6988c8a5929e82e89fafacd8ca0d62a8292e&

[wild summit]

okay, WITHOUT including the autogun

[misty delta]

I’m stealing this image thank you

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[wild summit]

omg that made my day, thanks

i am gonna yoink this, thank you very much

[coarse wolf]

i mean
i run scriers
it's very fun

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate can work with most guns, it’s just that it costs more points to run than other 2 abilities

[wet ether]

Sawn off shotgun is also good I reckon

[austere mica]

100% of like 2 cleave is still ass

[wet ether]

Or double barrel whatever the heck isn’t known as

[austere mica]

who could've guessed

[vague osprey]

Still trying to figure out a good smoke build

[wet ether]

Smoke sucks

[wild summit]

and if i would combine it with say weapon specialist, still no weapon that gains particular benefits from it?

[vague osprey]

I know

[wet ether]

Outside of preventing shooters

[winter grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1250330680533979156/VVDbrKn.png?ex=670eaf70&is=670d5df0&hm=a94d1609b55f0a1f3d6d2f87e14cda85431f7244eb679654c2055769411d1fe9&

[austere mica]

Smokes are great

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate’s main benefit is that u get to poke things for 10s without being hammered by every other dude in the room

[misty delta]

best I can do is an infiltrate low profile setup for rolling steel

[tall torrent]

The downside is that it costs 1 extra point compared to VoC and exe

[wet ether]

Yes yes I know they stop shooters from shooting at you and forcing them to reposition

[austere mica]

Other than that

They fuck with special targetting AI and make shotgunners nonexistant

[wild summit]

and weapon specialist? any decent weapon or best in slot weapon for that?

[austere mica]

My most fun vet builds have terrible shooter control

[wild summit]

You made me both cringe and laugh

[winter grove]

Shredder autopistol

[tall torrent]

Basically anything that doesn’t need focus target for breakpoints, u run them with weapon specialist and automatically benefit

[vale bane]

columnus

[winter grove]

[wet ether]

I still can’t bring myself to use them those sadly I love my shredder nades

[wild summit]

besides the columnus, that gun is best in slot for everything

[wet ether]

Wait wrong game I meant frag nades

[wild summit]

the name has gotten such a voldemort status they had to rename it

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver, actual best gun on veteran

[muted prairie]

wait are they not shredder frags anymore

[tall torrent]

Top 3 are revolver, Vraks 5 and recon

[austere mica]

Weapon spec works best with small mag guns and stuff that benefits from crits actually giving breakpoints, such as Dbarrel, the revolvers, Bistol

[wild summit]

Recon?

[winter grove]

Plasma dethroned?

[austere mica]

The fire rate is also neat but I prefer the weaving to just dumping with an autogun

[vale bane]

no lol plasma still king

[tall torrent]

Plasma is like 4th or 5th

[misty delta]

where infantry lasgun IX?

[muted prairie]

crits and onslaught shenanigans

[wild summit]

wait how is recon a great weapon? i just use it with weapon specialist and crit to get a BRRRT dopamine hit each time

[winter grove]

Above autopistol

[tall torrent]

There’re guns that kill elites, specials and bosses better than plasma

[tall torrent]

Basically infinite ammo elite killing machine

Think Vraks V but u never run out of ammo and reload far less

[muted prairie]

it kills really fast, has great ammo economy, deals with crushers

[misty delta]

I used to be an autopistol defender and then I actually took it to the meatgrinder and holy tera

[tall torrent]

Battle of mid

It’d be good if it had like

[wild summit]

yeah i noticed my burn ends up shredding them, at least thats what it feels like

[tall torrent]

20% more damage

lol

[muted prairie]

i have no idea what the right blessings are on it. i like my burn, but i heard it isn't good?

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter

[muted prairie]

and i think there was a glitched blessing that was like really good?

was it dum dum?

[tall torrent]

No glitch

[winter grove]

I didn't get the appeal of recon

[tall torrent]

“Fatshark! Give me a hotshot volleygun, and my life is yours!”

[muted prairie]

maybe it was another gun? i swear there was a gun with a blessing that was supposed to be close range only but it was all ranges instead. or am i hallucinating?

[tiny summit]

Its a brrr laser gun. Not much needed to be liked

[winter grove]

YESSSSSS

[wet ether]

as awesome as the dualing sword is there nothing like using the chainsword special action on a rager

[misty delta]

Isnt the translation for dum dum wrong? Isnt the damage % to all damage and not just close damage?

[tall torrent]

No, that’s not a bug

[winter grove]

Recon just doesn't feel satisfying

[hollow ibex]

Funny lightworks

[winter grove]

Like at all

[tall torrent]

It is close damage

[misty delta]

huh.

[tall torrent]

Close damage is not only up to 12.5m

Close damage applies up to 30m (or weapon’s minimum damage range, whichever is higher)

[winter grove]

Not funny

Just unsatisfying

[misty delta]

*sigh* thanks fat shark

[hollow ibex]

That’s subjective

[muted prairie]

oh holy crap

[hollow ibex]

I like it

[misty delta]

clear as always

[muted prairie]

30m is close damage????

[tall torrent]

It falls off after 12.5m

I wrote it in my guide, just read it there

[muted prairie]

well got diggity damn time to rebuild my recon las

[tiny summit]

Falls under "poorly explained"

[tall torrent]

It’s literally the 3rd page in my guide lol

[shadow fable]

What is the best perks and blessings for heavy sword on vet?

[winter grove]

Don't

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac/elite
deathblow + headtaker

[muted prairie]

sorry to disapoint, i only skipped to the parts i was curious about

[shadow fable]

thx

[wet ether]

nothing like seeing a rager violently shake lol

[tall torrent]

Read the whole intro

[muted prairie]

reading?

[misty delta]

bold of you to assume that the average person reads

[muted prairie]

how dare you

[muted prairie]

i imagine this is the same feeling youtubers feel when people ask questions that are answered in the description

[winter grove]

Should add "Pygex cannot be trusted with actual builds" writing near Atheneum

[wild summit]

what infiltrate modifs are passes and auto includes?

[tall torrent]

Why

[misty delta]

probably the main reason why I stopped writing guides of my own

[winter grove]

Good LORD they're bad compared to other old reliables

Psyker Atheneum is a good guide

[wild summit]

nah, bro standing there like you were scratching that itch!

[wet ether]

this is my weird talent tree

[winter grove]

Until you get to example builds

[misty delta]

none of them are auto includes all of them are passes. Low profile is funny for aggro manipulation. That’s about it.

[wild summit]

all i know is that overwatch can clutch hard

[tall torrent]

Oh, idrc about example builds much

I have like

6 in mind for mine

And the rest are all variations of them

Maybe 10 total?

[wet ether]

dont judge my talent tree i know its weird

[misty delta]

Yeah overwatch can be nice if you want an extra charge for emergencies. Most people prefer faster cooldowns tho so they can use it preemptively instead of reactively

[wild summit]

fairs

[wild summit]

i just had so many times where i ran from a to z cause my team went down and i had to triage rez

[muted prairie]

it's down to playstyle and preference. having back to back ones is good in a clutch, but of course you got the longer cd

[tall torrent]

If it takes too much effort to res, don’t bother, have them spectate u clutch

[misty delta]

Just get better teammates I joke. I used to use overwatch so it’s definitely something you can take if it’s something that you want

[wet ether]

surprised i aint getting flamed for using leave no one behind

[wild summit]

damn bro

[muted prairie]

it's not bad

not that bad

[tall torrent]

Spectating is a fast way to learn, unironically

[wild summit]

fair fair, btw, i am struggeling again

[tall torrent]

Make sure u quick swap ur weapons when sliding to look like you know what you’re doing

[misty delta]

my youtube-brainrot trained instincts kicking in when the last player standing music kicks in

[vale bane]

switching weapons resets the weapon animation and lets you get into slides quicker lol

[wild summit]

shredder, dagger @tall torrent i can not get onslaught ... what should i drop

[tall torrent]

Show me a whole tree

And what weapons

[misty delta]

dont tell me you actually took shredder autopistol..

[wild summit]

sorry for shit crop, but it is just a straight way down

[glacial yacht]

the 10% rending node

[tall torrent]

Which weapons are u using

[wild summit]

idk man i just got here

[wet ether]

duck and dive is awesome combo with stripped down

[misty delta]

oh you poor thing..

[wild summit]

dagger and shredder, but dagger is the main focus so idk what gun fits best

[hollow ibex]

there are two shredders in the game. one is good, the other is not.

[wild summit]

is it that bad?

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t play shredder autopistol ngl

[hollow ibex]

prob the worst gun in the game rn

it's really good at making your teammates hate you tho

[tall torrent]

I think u can drop superiority complex and extra ammo

[muted prairie]

how the mighty have fallen

[wild summit]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[orchid hemlock]

Wait who pinged me?

[tall torrent]

Get WS’s stamina regen node

[muted prairie]

i remember teams of 3 autopistol psykers

[misty delta]

I really want to say nice things about it but if hammer is recommending against it then you know you have issues

[orchid hemlock]

On what?

[wild summit]

what gun would you suggest for dagger and weapon specialist build?

[tall torrent]

DB shotgun, revolver, infantry autogun, laspistol, etc

[glacial yacht]

revolver or plasma or double barrel

[ocean moat]

gimme zarona revolver breakpoints

[misty delta]

revolver is fun with the WS reload node

[tall torrent]

Not plasma, unironically

You’re gonna miss breakpoints

[vague osprey]

Bolter pistol with the run blessing 🏃‍♂️

[wild summit]

revolver misses nodes as well, thats the huge issue

dagger unironically seems to limit a lot of choice

[tall torrent]

No, u can drop bring it down

Or superiority complex

[tall torrent]

Well yea

Knife is the highest point-cost melee for veteran

[wild summit]

do i lose a break point on something if i drop either?

sorry, mean one of them

not both

[misty delta]

revolver only needs one dmg boost node to one shot crit headshot anything short of a mauler or ogryn iirc

[wild summit]

i was mainly looking for best vet melee weapon and it seemed like the dagger with a headshot build with crits seemed insane

so i kinda gravitated towards that

[vague osprey]

Maybe rapier

[misty delta]

except for dreg gunners but thats why you take dmg to unarmored

[tall torrent]

For revolver, superiority complex helps a lot

[wild summit]

i chose that cause it seems reasonable to drop 5% damage against ogryns to gain 15% vs everything else that is elite

damn, now i even have 1 point left to spend on something, the choice

[shadow fable]

perks and blessings for shock maul?

[tall torrent]

Carapace + maniac
Skullcrusher + falter

[shadow fable]

no high voltage?

[wild summit]

btw, which of the two daggers is best? I really love the second one cause the heavy just lets me hit them while running all the time, making my infil build super damn mobile, just feels grat, but is the first dagger better?

[hollow ibex]

mk6 is the better one

i use mk3 because i'm lazy

[tall torrent]

That’s giving up the ability to easily break rager combo
Up to u tbh

[wild summit]

also sorry everyone i ask so many questions i just really enjoy all the help i am getting, its sweet of yall

[shadow fable]

Is that the only reason you said falter?

I'm just trying to maximize damage

[tall torrent]

Yea

And mauler stagger

U could run skullcrusher & HV if u don’t care about staggering them

[muted prairie]

join game, instantly on the loss page. but i got a level for my recon las, so it was totally worth it

[wild summit]

its sad btw hearing that the shredder sucks now

iirc it used to be one of the best

[wet ether]

i just got called a field medic

not sure wether thats a compliment or insult

[shadow fable]

the shredder stat?

[wild summit]

gun

[shadow fable]

oh the pistol?

[wild summit]

yup

iirc it used to be amazing

but now it seems to suck? kind of a shocker to me

[muted prairie]

invis? if so, very much a compliment

[muted prairie]

raking fire, i believe, used to have absolutely bonkers scaling so it would just do insane damage. hasn't been the same since they tuned it down

or pinning fire? the thing where you get stronger when you stagger dudes

[radiant chasm]

not really a shocker

[wild summit]

its sad that compensations seem to never happen or rather late

[radiant chasm]

pinning fire got nerfed from 100% to 25%

[muted prairie]

holy hell, it used to be 100. and here i was thinking oh maybe it was 50.

[wild summit]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-yikes-gif-15532766

thats ... a big number

[radiant chasm]

it's cause shredder has to be balanced between two strong base weapons already, IAGs and BAGs

[muted prairie]

it's why everyone was running it, you'd get full lobbies of autopistols

[radiant chasm]

at least they pushed bolter to a niche

[wild summit]

oh yeah what happened to the bolters now?

do they got a niche now and if yes what is it?

[muted prairie]

if memory serves right, they're basically a super strong dmr now, with a full auto option for panic scenarios

someone with better bolter knowledge please correct me if i got it wrong

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is top 4/5 gun on veteran rn

[radiant chasm]

got pushed to be a finesse weapon/DMR

[hollow ibex]

it's still viable with hipfire tbf

just not very ammy efficient

[radiant chasm]

not really

it takes so many for a bulwark now

[shut talon]

huh. hellbore dumpstat is stability?

[radiant chasm]

and crushers aren't much better

[misty delta]

always has been imo. They called me a madman

[tiny summit]

Yea

[misty delta]

yeah stability is just sway and recoil and neither of those matter with the charge mechanics of the gun

[hollow ibex]

prob not worth for bulwark, but still fine in a pinch against crushers. just not ammo efficient, like i said.

[shut talon]

dang. I thought it was ammo. Ohwell, good thing I haven't pulled from brunt's yet

[radiant chasm]

before the buffs to crit and weakspots, no, it used pinning fire 100% damage boost

[tiny summit]

You'll only feel the recoil with tap firing

[hollow ibex]

bulwarks are just obnoxious now

[radiant chasm]

technically yes, vets could use it like a dmr, but it was never finesse focused

[misty delta]

ofc

[radiant chasm]

you are better just chaining headshots semi autoing vs crushers

[muted prairie]

heavy agree

[hollow ibex]

well no shit

[shut talon]

also is it me or are there significantly more bulwarks at damnation or something

[misty delta]

I just like to brag about my totally-real-not-coincidental foresight yup mhm

[radiant chasm]

they are in the melee elite pool so any pack of melee elites has a chance to be X% of bulwarks

[wet ether]

getting pretty unlucky with the randoms today

[misty delta]

isn’t that every day?

[radiant chasm]

including sometimes just 100% of the pack being bulwarks (tho crushers and bulwarks are worth more units as individual)

[wet ether]

its a 50 50 split

[misty delta]

must be nice

[shut talon]

oh that's interesting. I've never delved much into the workings under the hood, so this is new to me

do vets have a ranged weapon tierlist or something?
Or is it largely a "this feels nicer to me" then pick a good mark?

[wet ether]

not really i'm more or less either forced to stick with purely reviving teammates or forced to carry

[radiant chasm]

VIAG (old ciag, current CIAG is the GIAG) and revolver

then everything below that

and shredder in the dumpster

[hollow ibex]

most guns are good/viable now at least

[umbral parrot]

So um... yea. I am IN LOVE with the new bessing. Agile is BEAST~! ! !!

[radiant chasm]

everything that isn't shredder is easily viable/good

[umbral parrot]

With Weapon Specalist, I can fly to the fricking moon with it.

[radiant chasm]

i did dodge UI training to stop panicking so now i don't need agile

sucks it's such a strong blessing but it's not even that strong in DT

[umbral parrot]

It's amazing~! 10% extra Damage!

[torpid comet]

whats the dump stat on dueling sword? defenses?
keep forgetting lol

[radiant chasm]

more like, 5% extra damage

cause of fartshart calculations

[umbral parrot]

That's 35% all of it combined~! 1/2 shot heads lol.

[radiant chasm]

not exactly

[umbral parrot]

I mean, it's about 100 extra damage, so what? Another 35% on it?

[radiant chasm]

only to the bonus damage

so 123

35% of 123

[umbral parrot]

Then yea, about an extra 30ish damage.

[vapid surge]

So dafuq does this do?

[radiant chasm]

meanwhile armor perks and 10% elites/specs/groaners apply to the whole value

[radiant chasm]

Adds 2-4-6-8 stacks of 2.5% Brittleness to hit enemies, based on charge level.

[umbral parrot]

True, but it's a jack of all trades. And i appreciate the extra damage regardless.

[radiant chasm]

t1-t4

[vapid surge]

Sweet

[radiant chasm]

only BPs matter, especially with BM

[rigid pilot]

I think agile can be really useful in terms of running away from hordes and bad spots

[radiant chasm]

I think agile is a fun blessing but ultimately, darktide dodges are too forgiving as is and recharge all at once

[rigid pilot]

Although, taxe needs help with damage

[radiant chasm]

if it was vt2 or slower weapons

yea you can take Headtaker, decimator, or even shred

and get more dps than agile easily

[umbral parrot]

Which is why I feel like i can solo the entire damn. To the fricking moon i tell you!

[rigid pilot]

Just dodge our of crusher waves back to your team

[radiant chasm]

i mean I can already do that, i'm guessing players who panic dodge like i used to do would like it tho

but like, I got cornered by 8 crushers the other day and got out of it with 0 hits taken

just by, slowing down, deep breath, and timing my dodges

[shut talon]

I keep forgetting to dodge-slide back with crushers