veteran-class

[ancient dock]

bro recon Mk XII is so goofy, actual A10 warthog

[bronze palm]

Is defense or mobility a better dump stat for sapper shovel?

[livid monolith]

defense

[tidal slate]

What’s the go to dumb stat on plasma gun ?

[severe gale]

@tall torrent

it’s complicated

[tawdry jackal]

There is none. You need to seek the counsel of the Chaos God Tzeentch to get the magical numbers needed for your machine spirit

[tall torrent]

none
u want 80 in dmg, stopping power & ammo
68~69 thermal resist (have 8 continuous shots)
71~72 charge rate

[coarse steppe]

Just got Make Every Shot Count

Now to do In Overwatch

[deft crystal]

thoughts

[tawdry jackal]

Starting to really like surgical on my boltgun

[deft crystal]

Best autogun build

[tawdry jackal]

Cause the magdump still does work

[daring sage]

does the carapace damage buff do much

[tawdry jackal]

But lining up a shot takes just long enough that I benefit from the blessing

[deft crystal]

These aree all carapace

[daring sage]

yeah but the infantry autogun has bad damage vs carapace no?

[deft crystal]

focus target

[deft crystal]

focus target makes up for it

[daring sage]

ah cool

never thought to use it that, i just wrote it off vs carapace and use melee or grenades

[twin kettle]

Best blessings for chain axe?

[tall torrent]

No, it’s just bad vs carapace

[tall torrent]

These are not carapace
Only mauler (head) and crusher (whole body) are
Bulwark & reaper have carapace parts but generally are considered unyielding

[flint garden]

Only crusher is full cara, just dont shoot bulwarks and reapers in the shoulder and maulers in the face

[deft crystal]

ohhhhh thanks for clarifyingg

Yeahh specifiic parts

[flint garden]

If you shoot stuff in the psykhanium it tells you what type it is

[placid shoal]

What is the best sapper shovel

[tawdry jackal]

Is it worth putting elite damage on a boltgun?

Like flak and maniac is what I run but I feel like they are dying pretty good rn esp with surgical or a two round burst

[stoic thorn]

What's the optimal statline for a plasma

[jade aurora]

hey yall, opinion on this vet skill tree?

nvm cant post images

[daring sage]

imo the standard issue one

[vivid cedar]

is there any builds that work with the heavy sword?

on vet specifically

[ruby veldt]

which psword is better?

[tame lodge]

Mk6

But not by much

[ruby veldt]

ty bb gurl

[pastel zealot]

is headhunter better to use with infernus rather than infernus + dumdum?

[dire olive]

Dumdum + Headhunter

[pastel zealot]

so im set on using infernus

[fiery ingot]

Dumdum + Headhunter

[pastel zealot]

i must not be articulating this correctly.

which is better to use WITH infernus? dumdum or headhunter?

[dire olive]

Dumdum + Headhunter

[fiery ingot]

Ohhhhh

Dumdum + Headhunter

[dire olive]

(Headhunter)

[pastel zealot]

-_-

[fiery ingot]

(Dumdum)

[balmy flume]

Fellow Vets.
Do I just need to Get Good(TM), or is Damnation/Auric level Operation Rolling Steel particularly unhinged?
And next to impossible without an Ogryn?

Like, I still remember how the AI spams end-of-train corridor snipers…

Which are near impossible to hit (because it then ALSO spams a horde to cover them, but somehow they always find a gap to shoot your team…)

[tame lodge]

Manstopper Accatran Combat Shotgun

Extra points if you can Flechette it out

[balmy flume]

…and actually.

Rolling Steel might be the one map where Smoke grenades can be pog, come to think of it.

[manic moon]

hol' up guys

being the last weapon i didnt touch i bought a double barrel to pull up the mastery

ur telling me you cant put 2 bullets into this fucking garbage can

with hybrid mastery

even at max stacks?

is that a bug or feature

even with 10 stacks of wep specialist it only loads 1 bullet

[fluid gust]

At 10 stacks it'll restore 33% of your weapon's magazine, rounding up.

[versed osprey]

whats de best blessings for the chainsword (horde clear)

[fluid gust]

Probably Rampage + Wrath

[versed osprey]

and what perks?

[manic moon]

for horde clear or general?

general is flak+maniac/elite/unyield

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as my dumbass teammates leave me to die against the tox flamers and one billion poxwalkers

[manic moon]

well dont get downed DUH

[stoic thorn]

Plasma Gun and Chainsword

[manic moon]

uh thats a bit overlapping combo

[shadow dagger]

late response, but 69% minimum thermal resist, 80% everything else, with charge rate as the pseudo dump stat

if thats too much effort just take charge rate dump stat and forget about it

[lucid heart]

thoughts on my vet?

[lusty sapphire]

I now see why most people hated maths in school

[shadow dagger]

ah, yes

multiplying by 10

famously one of the least logical and simple parts of math, ever

[lusty sapphire]

Possibly the hardest column in the multiplication tables they gave us

[stoic thorn]

My teammate angers a daemonhost and it instantly kills me

[lusty sapphire]

How

[shadow dagger]

i mean if an angry enemy is making visibly wide swipes at someone who isnt you

and you walk close to between the enemy and your teammate

you take damage

thats, like, the core concept of wide sweeps

to hit literally everything it comes across

[grand perch]

theres ways to gain DH aggro or pass it on

[stoic thorn]

Low health

Previously did a funny and blew myself up with the plasma

But I just randomly fucking died while fighting a pox horde

[viral nacelle]

I usually understand my deaths but I got one shot without any mauler/crusher nearby and I still don’t understand what killed me 😂

[manic moon]

well 33% okay but it makes no sense with a wepaon of 2 bullets they could really QoL buff this

[topaz lance]

kill enemy with melee, swap to db, swap back, kill enemy with melee.
2 bullets loaded

[manic moon]

yeah i dont want to do that over 40 min

like with revolver its fine cuz its a good weapon and you have a payoff

but this garbage is like why would i even bother with all of this for a super mediocre result

its just not fun

feels like a popcorn machine instead of a gun 😢

[topaz lance]

Double barrel is a very strong gun

It's not easy mode like iag, plasma or revolver but perfectly fine as is.

[manic moon]

i am pressing that X for doubt regarding "perfeclty fine" description

its fun how it ragdolls small guys tho

[topaz lance]

How are you running the DB?

If you want to us it at medium range, you'll need to build it a certain way

[manic moon]

yeah im doing auric with a grey one so that could be half the reason

[topaz lance]

😄

due

dude

[placid portal]

Damn I just found out how to make my Lucius 2 tap crushers

[shadow dagger]

this just in

videogame shotgun does very well in short range and not quite as well outside it

[manic moon]

hey it got pretty decent base stats

[shadow dagger]

though i think a crit with a maxroll onetaps a sniper at maximum falloff with that whole minimum pellet count thing

does surprisingly well outside of its intended range

though of course dreg gunners can eat shit

we love unarmored

[wet ether]

would human sized nade launchers be out of the question?

[manic moon]

https://tenor.com/view/curiosity-curious-intrigued-interested-interesting-gif-14505707

go on

[wet ether]

well think about it in lore warhammer 40k does have nade launchers

[topaz lance]

I have countersniped at around 35 m range with the db

But then I am running exe stance with it

like an animal

[topaz lance]

Flak and maniac, run and gun and the reload one or if you feel crazy deathspitter

[shadow dagger]

i run manstopper speedload even with weapons specialist because I'm delusional and stupid and have no idea how synergies work

still works fine

[wet ether]

i'm going to cop some hate for this but would be nice to have the Auxiliary Grenade Launcher

[grand perch]

these things should be ubiquitous

[wet ether]

in other words under barrel nade launcher

[grand perch]

no

[wet ether]

dont believe me here a link

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Grenade_Launcher

[grand perch]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Auxiliary_grenade_launcher

see thats a marine holding it we cant have it

[wet ether]

read

[stoic thorn]

Still have no idea how to actually trigger the Plasma charged shot

[wet ether]

@grand perch

[blissful cliff]

We probably don't have it yet cause fatshark hasn't figured out how to balance it

[sick cedar]

Finally managed to get On Overwatch thanks to some advice from a Zealot (Thanks Nzomi), now the time for the abilities penances

[wet ether]

i mean ogryn nade launcher they could use as balancing template

[grand perch]

so it went over your head that i am joking

[blissful cliff]

If it's just a grenade launcher like the rumbler then yea, i don't see why not

I more meant the attachable grenade launcher to something like a lasgun

[wet ether]

if it was an attachment than they could just use the rumbler stats as a starting point i guess

[earnest bone]

You can bring 30 seconds smoke grenades (15+15 from talent) there in order to do the puzzle and stealth + low profile too.
But that mission is indeed annoying for solo carry and people "aren't" smart too.

[finite hawk]

isn't it whatever you use for ADS with other weapons?

[wet ether]

is the infantry lasgun any good?

[dire olive]

D tier tbh but useable

[wet ether]

what makes it D tier?

[dire olive]

It just doesn't really do anything particularly better than anything else

[wet ether]

how about the helbore?

[dire olive]

Maybe slightly better? The swap speed kinda sucks but the bayonet kinda doesn't

You can still use them for fun but it's not gonna be the first choice of any min-maxers (boring people)

[manic moon]

you can use the lasguns the slowest one is pretty decend but getting the mod to switch it from semi to fullauto is recommended unless you want to rip fingers

but yeah its massive B choice

[wet ether]

blessings to use with the helbore?

[manic moon]

surgical/onslaught

[wet ether]

there no onslaught

[manic moon]

the one which increases firerate on chain attacks

weight of fire

fucking renaming shit dude why fatshark

[wet ether]

how would surgical and onslaught work together?

[magic trout]

Any recomendation for exe stance?
I been trying to learn to use this skill but i cant go beyond heresy

[manic moon]

yeah act like it doesnt exists

[manic moon]

your opening hits will be slower giving time for surge stacks then the firerate ramps up

[dry cloak]

Vigilant rifles. Helbore. Btgun and infantry auto guns

[magic trout]

I tried with every weapon but not looking for builds or best weapons.
Looking for advices

[lusty sapphire]

Man wtf do you expect from a weapon with no perk or blessings ...

[dry cloak]

Aye. Well you are the elite and specialist deleter.

Aimnfor the head and try not to die

[manic moon]

even if you use grey weps you can see potential thats no biggie

[lusty sapphire]

Actually, play it with exe stance. Awesome at close and great medium range

[lusty sapphire]

Well this is objectively wrong when 1 blessing changes how this weapon performs

It's manstopper btw

[lucid dune]

what are you having problems with? is it just not having shout/stealth as backup in melee

[manic moon]

git gud

exec stance doesnt do anything just rewards good fundamentals

u do more thats it

if ur base is weak it doesnt help u

[magic trout]

Not necesarily i have played a lot with Vet that i feel that Exe stance is only good at doing damage meanwhile VoC and Infiltration gives you survivality

[lucid dune]

thats exactly what its for

if you go exec youre gonna have to survive on your own skills

esp melee

[magic trout]

What is good fundamentals for you?

[placid portal]

Weight of fire iirc

[manic moon]

can u use gun while sorrounded by mobs, minimalise ur movements so you dont lose focus stacks etc

hit heads

[lucid dune]

there is another use for exec stance, finding out where specialists are coming from

[lusty sapphire]

Eh. You have ears for that

[magic trout]

Ive been using this to alert teammates fron incoming enemies.

[north raptor]

anyone got a good double barrel shotgun build recommendation? just returning to the game

[dry cloak]

Mastopper and scattershot. If you use it with weapon specialist swap scattershot for somethi g else

[placid portal]

Flechette

[stoic thorn]

My plasma gun when I see an elite

I have no idea if the plasma gun has some form of splash

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/room-gif-8743475669099803287

[placid portal]

It does, when it overheats and explodes

[lusty sapphire]

Every 3 melee kills you get infinite cleave on a double barrel shot

[wet ether]

tried the helbore didn't like it sadly

[magic trout]

Mostly melee 🤔

[lusty sapphire]

It's a double barrel. You do ludricous amounts of dmg with just this

[lucid dune]

do you get instant max focus if you blow an entire horde worth of heads

[lusty sapphire]

You would if you could run focus yeah

[magic trout]

I will try it later
I got a perfect DB shotgun yesterday 🤔

[placid portal]

Understandable, need some experience with the gun itself to make it useful.
I use the Heavy Variant for more damage but bayonet melee sucks

At least I can 2 shot crushers

For some reason the heavy variant has insane maniac modifier, if you can get extra special/maniac you could 1 shot from crit body

[vapid nacelle]

Which Recon Lasgun should I use if ammo efficiency is my biggest concern

assuming it were on a build that's running crits to consume no ammo on crit

[placid portal]

I dont use recon, so i just use normal variant

[magic trout]

The one with lowest damage and higher RoF, i dont remenber the name rn.
The reason is because the RoF will help to quickly stack headhunter blessing.
As long you hit head you mostly will never run out of ammo.

[placid portal]

The teal gun basically

[blissful cliff]

I wish the shovel had BM :(

[placid portal]

Woe, a decimator upon yee

[idle swallow]

just dont miss dummy

[placid portal]

My point smh

You literally hit dirt

Now dig fasta

+6 Stamina for qurios is fun

[wet ether]

think i'll stick to my trusty autogun she hasn't done wrong by me

[manic moon]

hellbore pretty much requires babysitting hwich is not gonna happen with pugs

[dry cloak]

It doesnt

[magic trout]

It doesnt

[balmy flume]

Might have to do a stealth build specific for that mission lol, thx

[wet ether]

You know what’s funny I’ve had this exact infantry auto gun when I first hit level 30 and this was wayyyy before vet got his keystones

Feels like a distance memory now vet not having keystones

[inland sundial]

this is a god roll, right? 60 mobility is enough to reach the max dodge limit of 4 so all I lsoe is sprint speed and dodge distance

[viral nacelle]

I have a specific psyker setup for it. Assail/voidstrike/bubble with empyric resolve. void allows me to act as full back guard to prevent any pressure coming from the rear as this tends to kill teams/make objectives impossible (especially battery and boss). Assail lets me kill the gunners on the roof and bubble keeps me clear of incidental fire + gives me toughness regen while solo when other people are handling objectives. It’s strong enough as a combo that auric damn rolling thunder has become a reliable win for me.

For vet I’d go plasma/voc/bleed and do the same job of constantly shooting down the length of the train to stop back pressure. The other alternative is hope your team handles it and go full infil to solo objectives

[amber cliff]

yus

it is good

kill them all my child

[viral nacelle]

Also hot take but smoke nades are underrated, dummy teams do a lot better when I keep them in smoke basically at all times

[amber cliff]

when gunners got buffed smokes were my top pic

cause it was like, needed

then they nerfed gunners

[viral nacelle]

But people still be dumb 😂

[manic moon]

if u are good enough player for that you dont ask for blessings on discord

[umbral scaffold]

even the best of us ask for help

i know its a joke but its still astrange mindset to have

[viral nacelle]

I’m a solid player but not a testing/math nerd oriented player so I check on here for blessings

[manic moon]

point still stands if you are good enough to use hellbore in histgs most likely you can play just about anything

people who make their first guns wont be able to do that

[umbral scaffold]

everyone learned from someone else, and thoses who dont are "feral" humans, you dont see thoses very often because everyone learns from someone else

[manic moon]

yeah tell that to kuli who spent half his life digging the code from github

[viral nacelle]

I play a ludicrously low survivability voidstrike build in auric maels ok and I have no idea how to build hellbore. I suspect I’ll do fine with one tho

[umbral scaffold]

who told them to speak, walk, code?

immitation, and shared knowledge

[inland sundial]

is the only difference between the scandar MKIII and Achlys MKVI power swords the light attack chain?

stats seem identical just wondering if I missed sth

[manic moon]

what exactly is low survival void build?

[umbral scaffold]

just by guessing a glass canon

high dmg low toughness regen etc

[manic moon]

yeah ive yet to heard tank syker thats why im wondering

or is there some secret malice sauce syker cooking im not aware

or is it just not using knife to outrun every threat in the game

or is it playing force sword with no deflector ? 😄

[viral nacelle]

Empyric resolve cuts toughness to shit, Scriers gaze to keep peril maxed out

[wise fossil]

I was just thinking about this. Does puncture get you the gunner 1 shot?

[viral nacelle]

Lotta opportunities to blow self up or die to basically everything 😂

[wise fossil]

My main complaint about bolt pistol is that it misses the one shot breakpoint on lots of important targets

[winter grove]

Tank psyker?

[manic moon]

that was highly sarcastic

[winter grove]

Yeah I was a bit confused

It's almost as real as Big E actually coming back

[winter grove]

Makes up by making shredder grenades into WMDs

Also surgical can fix most of breakpoint problems

[wise fossil]

Oh I've been using the grenadier meme and having a blast

Which is why I'm curious

[wise fossil]

Sort of

[winter grove]

Horde watching in horror as Bistol vet drops a grenade

[wet ether]

Seriously does anyone here remember when vet had no keystones?

[wise fossil]

Also bolt pistol either has some kind of bug with the armor type text in the psyk, or it has extremely wonky headshot priority

Dreg gunners very frequently pop up with 'flak armor'

[winter grove]

You can still do keystoneless vet

And like

It's a viable strat

[wet ether]

I’m asking does anyone remember it 😂

[winter grove]

Good riddance

I came in with patch 15 but good riddance

[umbral scaffold]

it felt so weird

[viral nacelle]

You can take a block eff + stam sword with kinetic deflection + deflector to make a very survivable psyker build. Stack it with shriek or smite and you’re extremely tough to kill outside of major positioning errors

Bubble also gives massive toughness regen so you can fight in that to be comically survivable

[stoic thorn]

Plasma ftw

Thing melts

[manic moon]

thats basic bitch 1.01 syker build

[dry cloak]

[viral nacelle]

Standard for deimos is uncanny/slaughterer

Or riposte or something

[manic moon]

its uncanny slaughterer

but not much point using that tbh since good player does 99% of his killing with staff

unless u do melee build but thats another case again

but before the talent rework deflector swords were the recommended ones due to gunners being bitch

[stoic thorn]

When the moebian soldier hit you with the dollar store melee so you gotta hit them with the +PARRY from your Catachan knife

[wild summit]

bolt pistol blessings?
deadly accurate and surgical?

[stray stream]

I personally use puncture and surgical

[placid portal]

Deadly accurate would improve bolt pistol multiplier from 1.8x to 2.1x on crit wouldnt it?

[stoic thorn]

I ran into the big fucking fan and died

That was funny as fuck

[desert inlet]

how do you play vet? i have the other clases lvl 30 but im not understanding the vets "role" or "unique ability" to bring to the party. Anyone have any suggestions?

[hearty panther]

Scream at shit.

[daring sage]

Shoot things that shoot the rest of your team

[desert inlet]

dats it?

[daring sage]

I mean thats his main job and he has amazing skills and good grenades and cool unique weapons

[wise fossil]

puncture & lethal prox for grenade memes

[desert inlet]

ill give it a shot! ty for the input

[sage agate]

p much, he really excels at keeping his team topped up with toughness if you run VOC and generally just shooting the elites and ranged that harass the team otherwise]

play vet as you wish but vet's kit is very geared towards gunning everything down

[desert inlet]

ty

[drowsy aspen]

Shooting elites

Executioner's stance gives you the TRUE elite shooting experience

...shout is also good

Weapon Specialist gives you the kind of fast, scrappy Vet gameplay that lets you fulfill a similar role to Zealot

But with the unique vet flair

[hardy marlin]

whats the best horde clear melee to bring with a revolver?

[stoic thorn]

I love my catachan devil knife

When the enemy hits you with that dollar store melee

[hardy marlin]

the zealot pin makes it seem like the rashad is the best horde clear based on the little diagram thing

i dont think ive ever used a knife

[vapid nacelle]

which combat axe is the great one again

[midnight totem]

Rashad

[hardy marlin]

rashad looks like it has the best spread

otherwise for horde, heavy sword maybe? dont think ive used one of those either

[marble forum]

Do you know if the damage on armours has been fixed for helbore mk1 (I'm using the old name)? IRC, it was lower than the mk2 for some reason

[drowsy aspen]

Heavy Sword is fuckin great

Power Sword is super fun

I think these other vets probably have a reason for not recommending it

But I'll go ahead and do it

Fuckin lightsaber mode bro

[hardy marlin]

which variant?

[drowsy aspen]

Mk. IX

The one that opens with the big chop on the heavy

[hardy marlin]

i think the only thing ive seen in here about psword is its a bit more difficult than other melees

[drowsy aspen]

Then the sweeps

...power sword? Difficult?

No way dude

Unless the nerf was way harder than I thought

Press button, wide sweeps kill everything

Such is the way

[hardy marlin]

i dont even know how to read this for psword combos. is s.l1 a slide light?

[rigid schooner]

Imo Rashad is the ugliest looking axe, but the credits skins look good, especially the red one

[worldly pulsar]

Psword has a reputation for being really good until you're in a bad situation, then it kinda falls apart. It is very good generally speaking. Personally, I find it boring.

[verbal burrow]

Gentle mentlemen

I come bearing questions

[hardy marlin]

gunner and sniper, sniper especially if you have no hp

[verbal burrow]

These things. Do they affect all damage from those sources, including the Toughness bar, or do they only affect damage to the HP bar?

[blissful cliff]

Sniper is good, Gunner imo isn't that useful

[verbal burrow]

But that is not the core question

[hearty panther]

Damage Resist is all damage

[rigid schooner]

Mutants barely even do damage

[verbal burrow]

So also the toughness bar?

[hearty panther]

So yes, both.

[hardy marlin]

yeah, should be all. would be weird if it was hp only

[verbal burrow]

Zounds, thank you battle brother

[tough tiger]

Wrong server for that

[hardy marlin]

is this ok for a revolver setup, or does someone have a more ideal kit?

i tried to take as many nodes as i could on the recommended section for revolver, but I'd wager that's not right

[hearty panther]

drop 8 stack node for FT

and take Redirect Fire instead

on the right of it instead of the left

i dont find the revolver needs deadshot but i leave that up to you

[hardy marlin]

yeah, ive never used it, like I said I was just grabbing the skills under the weapon in the pin guide

[hearty panther]

its been a long ass time since ive used the revolver so idk for breakpoint specifics

[hardy marlin]

if i take out deadshot, I dont need dive either, so thats 2 points free

[hearty panther]

ye

id take cqkz right beside duck n dive instead

[verbal burrow]

Now that it has been made known that it affects the toughness bar, and thus become very interesting to me, I would argue Bomber > Flamer > Sniper, for the simple reason that bombers are spawned directly behind me by the AI director, and the AI director also really enjoys sending waves of Netters + Flamers, whilst Snipers can be resolved by dodging and returning fire

[hardy marlin]

that's fair. i lose more hp to fire than snipers

[red fox]

My exec stance bolter stops once i have to reload, i even have the faster reload traits, any thing else i should be picking up

[glacial mist]

any rec weapon for the

make everyshot count penance

[wild summit]

so the power sword ...

[umbral scaffold]

low ammo count, no survivalist nodes or perks from other allies that give you ammo

[hardy marlin]

why does the reticle for revolver get bigger when crouching? that seems... backwards

[wild summit]

i can not discerne which of the two power sword is better

[umbral scaffold]

use a shotgun, stub pistol, or plasma gun or bolt gun/pistol

[wild summit]

is the achlys meant to kill single targets on heavies or is that the push attack?

[umbral scaffold]

dump all your ammo in a monstrosity thats slow or huge slow targets

you dont need to kill , just to hit right ?

[blissful cliff]

i swear every time i try out a new build i end up with the most sorry fucking teammates imaginable

I didn't realize regular damnation was the new Heresy

[crimson bloom]

Lol wot a consecrate outcome

What shall I refine melee crit to? Carapace?

And also, keep or change out all or nothing?

[hardy marlin]

this is the pinned recommendation, but others may have better info

[worldly pulsar]

VI is generally agreed to be superior

[wild summit]

elaborate, i usually like a more indepth reason, if you can ofc

[somber axle]

Mk III has the horde clear on the wide horizontal Sweeping heavies which are slower to wind up. Mk VI has 2 horizontal lights and 1 diagonal light for horde clear so it's safer and faster. The heavy vs light isn't a major difference to overcome that. Mk VI also gets a push attack into 2 lights with high finesse damage that can combo a Crusher very quickly

[wild summit]

thanks

[somber axle]

Charged push attack combo does fantastic work mopping up heavy armour or chunking bosses

Welcomes!

[wild summit]

best blessings on the power sword?

i am kind of in love with power cycles

idk ... feels so nice to just swing multiple charged hits

[regal yarrow]

that's how ya play commissar

[worldly pulsar]

I like PC and BM

[wild summit]

PC just feels way too fun, might maybe not be the best due to slaughterer being in the picture, but damn

[elder fiber]

no pc bm is bis

[hardy marlin]

i think pc is the hard recommended one

[worldly pulsar]

Psword just feels like ass without PC

[elder fiber]

some people like sunder instead of bm vs mixed hordes

[wild summit]

so pc is actually good?

nice

[worldly pulsar]

Ye

[stuck gorge]

why would PC not be good

free extra charged swings

[wild summit]

slaughterer is usually best in slot for weapons, at least always the ones i use

so my mind went there

[glacial mist]

thanks for all the helps

[hardy marlin]

grats

[regal yarrow]

Congrats, sah

[vernal rock]

Any of you hot people have a vet build for me? :33

[regal yarrow]

if ya like melee commissar

[glacial mist]

ammo aura, shouting toughness, focus target

that's about all you want

[vernal rock]

I'm an Infantry autogun kind of guy

[glacial mist]

i think

might wanna take a bit more left side tree then

plenty of ammo related stuff there

[vernal rock]

What grenade do u think?

[stray stream]

Show me

[glacial mist]

krak would be a good choice

against bosses and tougher stuff

[twin kettle]

What blessings to use on chainaxe?

[lean bloom]

which one is the good bolter?

[regal yarrow]

both good

just geared for diff playstyles from what i can tell

I use the bolt pistol cus I use it for picking off anything that is stronger than the regular chaff

[umbral scaffold]

co ngrats

[vestal canyon]

You put me the fuck on bro Ive been using the Rashad with maxed out swing speed and crits and this shit is the best thing ever. Idk how tf I thought chain weapons were just superior Im a moron

[inland orchid]

Don’t feel too much like a moron, this game’s weapon system ain’t that explained so most of us have been going in blind before the aid of others was available

Hell I had a devils claw with horde clear focused blessings when I wanted more single target focused ones, never knew how big a difference it made till I swapped it

[terse idol]

Hmm what's ya buiild

I must judge your rashad

[terse idol]

Yooou can make your rashad even betterr

Well besides the 60% damage dump

That! That hurts

Ih

Oh

[hardy marlin]

mmm

[terse idol]

Zealot?!

[glacial mist]

which inf lasgun is the best?

[terse idol]

[glacial mist]

well most commonly used

'best' seems subjective

[terse idol]

I dunno how to build rashad for zealot tbh

[terse idol]

The mg12 is the worst but the

Wow I don't know theee marks

The middle one the IG

Is the best one imo

[glacial mist]

mg12?

[terse idol]

And then the mk4 is good too

[glacial mist]

i see 7 9 and 2b

[terse idol]

The slowest firing one with the highest damage is the worst

Let's see

I gotta check it out again

[glacial mist]

stuff got changed around ig

mk9 is the one with "high damage" desgination

so im guessing that's what you talking about

[terse idol]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/infantry-lasgun/kantrael-mg-ia-infantry-lasgun

Imo this is the best one the Ia

Which..

[glacial mist]

versatile

im not sure what that means lol

[vestal canyon]

Headtaker takes care of breakpoints on smaller enemies. Ive been using dump stats other than mobility and having my dodge speed and distance in the positive keeps me alive a lot better then killing things slightly faster. Obviously having damage as a dump stat isnt always a good thing if youre trying to hit a tight breakpoint, but I really just have not seen a singular notable one with the combat axe

[glacial mist]

imma run one round with 2b and another with the 7

see how they fare

using left side tree

[terse idol]

I mean it very likely is dropping your crusher bp

Dooooo yooou meet the scab bruiser bp?

[vestal canyon]

Pretty sure yeah

Anything thats not an elite typically dies in a singular light attack

[terse idol]

How many overheads do you take to chop down a crusher?

Without ult

Like the issue with damage dump is its litetally affecting all your damage

[vestal canyon]

Havent really counted, but Ive been dealing with crusher packs damage-less ever since I switched off of chain weapons

Typically with a chain axe or evis id get swiped but now I dont even get hit at all by them

[terse idol]

Its probably the worst dump stat

Also!

You're a zealot you can make do with the mobi dump

😭

Anywho!

If it works dats okie

Rashad for vet is a different story

[vestal canyon]

I much prefer having as much moblity as possible. Theres definetly a case where the damage at 80 would be better but having completely maxed mobility feels way too good to me

[terse idol]

It

Ahh

I wish I could verify but max mobi

Isn't thaat different

And at that point you could be using a knife with low mobility

And I stress

Damage dump is terrible

[vestal canyon]

I know its not. Dump stats in nearly all cases really do not matter much at all, Ive used a variety of different ones on all different weapons and it just really doesnt much a differnce in a majority of scenarios

Im not saying they DONT make a difference, but most of the time it really just isnt something to worry about

The difference on the rashad between 60 and 80 is like 10 damage i really do not care lol

[jade aurora]

hey yall, any feedback on this vet talent tree i got setup

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940713165233201174/1295055900834398208/image.png?ex=670d424b&is=670bf0cb&hm=07a3e0513b6e66cdd8e32fc13621b0782ec0e9bde65fe069bc38c5fbe5ad84ea&

i usually swap out the krak for the shredder frag and i cant tell if Redirect Fire! is better or worse than Focused Fire

[orchid hemlock]

get rid of longshot and reload speed and take stam delay

[jade aurora]

which one is stam delay

[orchid hemlock]

bottom left from superiority complex

last point is up to u

i dont know what gun you are using but I would take rending strikes on most guns

[jade aurora]

i dont see where i have reload speed

[jade aurora]

thats +5% ranged damage

[orchid hemlock]

that should be reload speed

[jade aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940713165233201174/1295057777047240826/image.png?ex=670d440b&is=670bf28b&hm=bf5a633ce7b7668f49948db6cde63c099cb4a163ae79b71a80631b96792e403a&

[orchid hemlock]

even then, 5% damage isn't good enough to jusitfy other things on the tree

[jade aurora]

is serrated blade any good or troll node?

[orchid hemlock]

looks like gameslantern is wrong again 😔

[orchid hemlock]

serrated is only good if you are going mercy knife

[jade aurora]

im using the plasma gun

should i still take rending strikes for it

[orchid hemlock]

im tlaking about melee

[jade aurora]

ohhh

im using power sword

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent does plasma need rending? I dont think so

[terse idol]

I mean nooo

That's not true at all

The issue being all of your damage is being affected

[sacred spindle]

double barrel shotgun - range as dump stat?

[terse idol]

Again i don't wanna argue if it's working for you that's fine

Dumping damage is just bad

It affects EVERY SINGLE damage modifier on the weapon

[orchid hemlock]

i dont think so because plasma already ignores the majority of armor

[terse idol]

It simply isn't 10 damage from 60 to 80

[orchid hemlock]

u also have another node on the right that isn't needed

i cant trust gameslantern tho so i need to launch the game

[terse idol]

It's however much damage you're missing from 20 points of missing damage plus missing damage on crit modifiers

Missing damage on first strike

Missing damage on finesse

Its very significant

[jade aurora]

the one below smoke grenade is 10% melee damage

[gilded wraith]

Does 10٪ crit damage ever make sense? Like with a laspistol?

[orchid hemlock]

Never take crit damage

On any weapon

[terse idol]

The issue being it's just 10% of the crit

Not like 100% of your crit damage +10%

[orchid hemlock]

This is what I would do:

[jade aurora]

so i’m guessing redirect fire! is better than focused fire?

[orchid hemlock]

focus is just not a good node by itself

maybe if u take it with redirect

but even then it doesn't function nearly as well as you believe

[misty lance]

finally free

fuck this weapon

[molten hound]

how do you build recon lasgun

[strange crow]

You can use headhunter if you don't have reciprocity in your build, but otherwise deathspitter

Also infernus or dumdum

[misty lance]

my build

[molten hound]

hmm

no keystone?

[strange crow]

Vet needs keystone the least

Iirc

[molten hound]

MF would be good on this gun i think

similar to iag

[tame lodge]

Marksman Focus wouldn't because

Recons have poor finesse

[strange crow]

What would you drop for that tho?

[molten hound]

hmmm

fully stacked MF will give you an extra ~60 dmg a headshot it looks like

60-70

maybe not worth?

somethin like this maybe

pretty much the same way i build iag

[strange crow]

Def not worth considering you'd need to drop two of the following:

• crit chance
• onslaught
• rending strikes
• bring it down
• reciprocity
• superiority complex
• shock trooper
• duty and honor

[molten hound]

i think the real answer here is focus target

[feral gazelle]

mobility is unneeded

[ocean idol]

Is collateral of any use on bolt pistol?

Or on any weapon for that matter

[feral gazelle]

High mobility, quick switching between progress and remote,

[terse idol]

I think like no keystone recon is valid

If only because you want to hit like the rending perk

Every single damage modifying perk

[vague charm]

What are the differences in the starting personality traits?

[pastel zealot]

@orchid hemlock hey thank you for your "funny lazer pointer" build! thing rocks!

[orchid hemlock]

Not rly my build, u should thank the peeps here after 3 months of recon discussions but yw 🫡

[pastel zealot]

fair nuff

i took off suppression resist and took bring it down instead

works really well for my playstyle i guess!

[tame lodge]

I was here 🗣️🔥

[orchid hemlock]

Recon discussions be like:

[tall torrent]

No

[muted prairie]

have yall noticed gunners have like, a stomach hitbox that takes half damage or so? i swear it wasn't there before unlocked and loaded and it's messing with my breakpoints

okay nvm, did more testing. looks like hitting their hands makes plasma do arm damage, even if the shot hits their chest. is that a bug? i swear plasma was supposed to ignore limbs if the shot goes through the chest

okay i did some digging if anyone's also curious. so yeah it was given limb and shield ignoring back in patch 8. i'm guessing that this was reverted, since bulwark shields block plasma now too

[viral nacelle]

apparently corruption from bursting an eye counts for melee? reeeee

carried a team thru heresy incl two clutches without getting hit but i got 1hp of purple from an obj omg

[muted prairie]

my descent into madness continues. it actually still penetrates biceps, but it's specifically forearms and hands that block it????? i'm guessing it's got something to do with bulwarks and their shields being a "forearm" hitbox maybe?

[misty delta]

I wouldnt be surprised if their forearms counted as part of the shield hitbox. Too many times have I tried to hit them on their side only to donk off the shield

[fading yarrow]

Frens, which Heavy Sword is the best? I'd like to give it a swing again

[misty delta]

all of them are pretty good and are kinda based on playstyle I've found

most people like the 9 for the infinite horizontal H2 H3 combo

and spamming H1 is good single target

try it with trench fighter + weapon specialist. the attack speed makes it feel really good

bring a plasma or something that can deal with armor because heavy sword struggles against that

[viral nacelle]

omg i already had the melee penance LOL

well a couple teams got a real relaxed carry

[placid belfry]

how do i use executioner's stance without getting my shit kicked in

[idle swallow]

Kill them before they get to you, also get gud at dodging if they do

[hearty panther]

you dont have to 'stay in' xstance anymore

if theyre all up in your shit just take out your melee and kill them

[tame lodge]

You dodge

I know you want to stand still to take that one perfect shot

But nuh uh

Dodge

[placid belfry]

why does everybody assume i do not dodge

everytime i pop it i immediately have to draw away my attention then it goes away

[analog mural]

Because that's all you need to do to stay alive

[hearty panther]

get a faster gun i guess

nothing stops u now from melee > push > swap back > kill elite/special

[analog mural]

If you never have the time to take advantage of your Xstance that speaks to a lack of fundamentals in the game, which is why people just assume you don't know how to dodge

[tardy rivet]

for melee weapons what you vets recommend running after the recent patch? I played alot of duelling sword lately but want to try something different

[tame lodge]

Power sword 6
Chainsword 4
Rashad combat axe
Knife 6
Heavy Sword 9

[analog mural]

There aren't really any bad options nowadays, just take what you like

[tardy rivet]

Gotcha ❤️

whats the dump stat for heavy sword?

[tame lodge]

Defences or something like that

[viral nacelle]

So what builds are people going with for the brauto?

I’ve been doing a weapons specialist thing so I don’t have to reload it and can immediately go back to melee 😂

[umbral scaffold]

This image has the implication of two mentalities towards broken glass on the floor:

• "I must protect myself so that I don't get an injury and possibly an infection"
• "Nah, I'd win"

[frank basin]

Eyes split between dumdum headhunter or headhunter infernus

Like that SpongeBob try read separated page

[idle swallow]

a glimpse into my dark twisted mind when i use vld recon

[shadow dagger]

it isn't intended for the average player to stick around in exe stance at melee range for more than maybe like 7 seconds unless you're eyeballing 20 shooters from a room away

it gets pretty bad if you're using exe stance boltor because any interruption means the rest of your stance is probably doomed

but ol reliable is to get in melee range with one or two of your teammates literally right on top of you, take a half step back, pop exe stance

and usually your teammates bodyblock or outright kill whatever's going in to slap you

[reef vine]

ATTENTION REJECTS! I'm looking to recruit some fellow Warhammer 40k rejects to my company in Starship troopers extermination. Let's show them bugs how rejects fight!! If you're interested message me!

[shadow dagger]

posting in every class channel

[muted rapids]

Can anyone recommend a good ranged wep for everything except hordes? also i don't like Las weapons

[shadow dagger]

what a cool guy

[slow spade]

Bolter

can 1-tap most elites and specialists

[muted rapids]

I find the bolter too slow and the bolt pistol crashes my game because of mods when i try to equip it

[slow spade]

the recent buffs were huge for bolter

[slow spade]

have you tried with the new draw speed buffs?

iirc the draw speed can be reduced from 2 sec to 1.2 sec

also rip bolt pistol :c

[muted rapids]

Yeah :^( it would have been perfect

[slow spade]

other than that, you can try the Headhunter infantry guns

they're very reliant on headshots but their damage output should be second to none (except vs carapace lol)

obligatory plasma

[tame lodge]

Peak Helbore 4

[slow spade]

but if you don't like bolter, I imagine you wouldn't like plasma either

[small loom]

is anyone else having problem with changing marks on weapons right now? i keep changing marks and it never saves

[muted rapids]

ye i'm not really into plasma or laser weps

i was using the braced autogun but it feels like shit now

[slow spade]

for melee weapons, I've been fine

[muted rapids]

haven't played Veteran since game launch

[slow spade]

while it has been buffed, so have the enemies 😔

[slow spade]

it seems your best bet sounds like the headhunter infantry guns then

sadly I'm not too familiar with how to actually build a headhunter infantry gun :c

[small loom]

its only for helbore guns for some reason... even though i have the mark unlocked

i was just able to swap other weapon marks, except helbore

[slow spade]

welcome back to the class of "does everything but god forbid you make a mistake"

[viral nacelle]

Tried ST: Terran command ?

[slow spade]

weird, I wonder if they fucked something with the helbores when they renamed them lol

[frail skiff]

[slow spade]

always annoying when they change something and it fucks your stuff

plasma audio bug now the power sword bug

[frail skiff]

The losing charge when smacked bug?

[shadow dagger]

the consecutive charging without spending the charge not refreshing the duration

bug

[slow spade]

the losing charge is annoying but not deal breaking

not being able to refresh my sword and it turning off mid-swing? yeah that shit sucks

[frail skiff]

Yeah, that's why I changed to Rashad

[slow spade]

same

rashad has been good enough for me

[frail skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1293202529399869572/Rashad.gif?ex=670d1bb5&is=670bca35&hm=a210cf2fee9d6a9ba800b9a9b516577ad94075d9a9f3973ac9e75d27efa65188&

[slow spade]

but man I'm missing the kill speeds with power sword

[viral nacelle]

PS is an impressive weapon but I hate using it

It’s just annoying constantly specialing

[molten hound]

are you guys running dueling sword with iag instead of knife now

that weapon just annihilates crushers

[viral nacelle]

I prefer Rashad or hot take weapon chainsword because ds4 on vet looks dumb

[molten hound]

in principle you could drop onslaught and get bring it down or something

[small loom]

ive restarted the game now multiple times and it still wont change marks, but only for helbore lasguns

[twilit kelp]

what is best blessings for plasma gun?

[molten hound]

blaze away gets hot

[misty delta]

some people prefer rising heat over blaze away but same diff

[twilit kelp]

thanks

[ember folio]

Zarona, Devils Claw, Shouty
What build can I do that with?

[idle swallow]

weapon specialist comes to mind

[tough talon]

Man I was just tryharding a mission for Mske Every Shot Count (90% accuracy, no ammo remaining) and I didn't get it, I must have been so close cuz I was constantly just headshoting and out of ammo. Do grenades and missed sword swings count?

Also shot some heretical idols, I guess those count as misses too which could be the issue

Done like 2 other penances during it aswell 💀

[twilit kelp]

no to swords and gernades i found you bolter dump a monstrosty and then dont pick up ammo

[tough talon]

I ran whole mission with bolt pistol so I had limited ammo and most of my shots were 1 shot headshots, I bet I was on like 85% in the end, just so it could piss me off

[austere mica]

A really easy way to get that penance is Double Barrel and Weapon specialist

You only every really shoot into crowds so its really hard to miss

and you can just dump your ammo (into targets) in the finale due to having a near 100% accuracy

[molten hound]

whats the highest base rating weapon you can get from brunt now

[ember folio]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d15ff-4080-4335-8fbf-a52ef6e12eb4/prototype obviously this is gonna be dog trash but what can i do along these lines
i should note: i play with buddies and we are no john darktides, so we dont go off practically on our own, hence the supporty elements of it that couldve been more offense

also parry fun

[molten hound]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d184f-59ba-493b-b5e2-8a2f292ada57/revolver-vet-3

here's what i would run

FT is ok but you one shot headshot anything that isnt an ogryn

[ember folio]

fair enough

i do want field improv still, and despise deadshot with all my heart

and determined sounds pretty good too

[molten hound]

deadshot is really good

i only use 1 stam curio but it would be best to use 2

[ember folio]

i liked born leader to make my team more survivable

[molten hound]

duty and honor accomplishes that

[worldly pulsar]

I don't like Deadshot at all

[molten hound]

you kill so many specials with revolver your shout is always off cd

[ember folio]

huh
okay

[molten hound]

its not a really good talent

always prepared + crucian is really good

[ember folio]

fair nough
i do hate deadshot though :/

[molten hound]

you can drop it

you can do auric missions with that build with or without it

i prefer knife as the melee weapon

[ember folio]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d15ff-4080-4335-8fbf-a52ef6e12eb4/prototype im looking at this now

[molten hound]

with devils claw your horde clear is better but elite clear is worse

[ember folio]

traded deadshot and superiority for field improv and determined

[ember folio]

yeah, but youre tankier if you parry good

[molten hound]

since you arent running deadshot you can probably drop duck and dive and take superiority complex

[ember folio]

ooo kk

[molten hound]

i dont think determined is necessary but if you like it you can run it

i think crucian generally gives you more crit depending on how you play

[ember folio]

not necessary no, but i cant shoot groups of gunners for schnikes

[molten hound]

i usually never do a full reload

https://i.imgur.com/2LcZ9O7.jpeg

this is telopots build for weapon spec revolver

going fire team instead of survivalist saves you 1 point

looks like he put it in the stam regen delay node on the right.. not sure why

[ember folio]

survivalist comes in too handy though for us

[molten hound]

yeah if i dont take survivalist some times i run out of ammo

i wish there was a way to get the 2 stam regen delay nodes on my build but thats only possible if i take krak and fire team lol

which sucks ass

[ember folio]

honestly doesnt sound unreasonable to me
if youre in a sticky situation you might not get the time/space required to regen stamina without it

[rigid schooner]

Why doesn't vet get a belt fed man?

[steel lake]

Haven’t played this game in a minute gents, what are a fun/meta builds nowadays? I’m currently running plasma and catachan knife

[molten hound]

@ember folio this is high intensity with my build

super fun

you have to play like a spaz though

[ember folio]

this one?

[molten hound]

yeah

[unique orchid]

Muni shovel and mk12 ILas

As the Guard intended

[vague charm]

Whats better, the chainsword or the powersword? I'm running the vraks autogun

[tame lodge]

Psword

Although both can clear hordes

[steel lake]

thank u

[winter grove]

You could try this
Lasgun based build, so far I've heard it's smooth and fun
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d35540f-b697-4055-81a0-7e5d47706a63/poster-boy

[steel lake]

Appreciate it

[timid wolf]

I haven't played this game in a long while. Is the middle mark kantrael considered the best one now?

[winter grove]

Mk2b and Mk7 are both good

Mk9

Not so much

[timid wolf]

So the old Mk12 is bad now.

[winter grove]

Has been for a long time

It's just everything became better and mk9 has been unchanged

It's not necessarily bad

It's just outclassed by other lasguns and headhunter autos

[timid wolf]

Are the recon lasguns any good now?

[winter grove]

Yeah

Some say blue recon is op now

At least psykers say that

They crit a lot

Can't say I really like recons after I tried them

Doesn't feel powerful like the viag

[pearl sapphire]

Next set of veteran drip should be some arbites stuff

Anyone else got some drip they’d like to see for veteran

[winter grove]

Vostroyan

Or maybe stuff like this

[pearl sapphire]

Honestly that pics cool as fuck, I’d like to see it but I need some arbites shit first

[timid wolf]

The Maccabian Janissaries look cool as hell

They're like little guardsman astartes

Maybe a Valhallan Ice Warrior outfit? No orks to kill in Tertium (yet) though.

[fiery moss]

I want my elysian drip to drop again

[shadow fable]

This is sick

[glacial marlin]

I wanna be a vostroyan

[left patrol]

I want to be another moebian cool guy

We got 21st, 6th now we need 53rd

[uncut pebble]

Stam regeneration delay is very important for veteran.

[steady edge]

hmm

what's the best infantry lasgun rn?

[shadow fable]

the fast one

better all round columnus auto pretty much

[steady edge]

because I'm looking at old guides on the internet and they all mention Kantrael XII, Ia

but am I high or are those gone???

[shadow fable]

It's probably because the locked and loaded update changed a bunch of weapon names

[tame void]

The names were changed in the latest update yeah

[tall torrent]

IIb (old MG IV)

[winter grove]

How does 53rd even looks like

[steady edge]

I imagine probably similar

[left patrol]

No idea, they havent been shown yet as dukane is their very first introduction

[steady edge]

we haven't actually seen 53rd, we've technically only seen their commissar

[winter grove]

Dukane is lucky she's not commanding the rejects

All those loose cannon vets and loner psykers would've sniped her already

[near sable]

always has been

[steady edge]

because the way I'm playing the Agripinaa shotgun rn, I figured I'd try a lasgun and see if it works better

[tough tiger]

I hate how they changed the names

[winter grove]

Also they did update talent trees for everyone

Except zealot

[tough tiger]

Makes it harder to talk to new players about weapons

Zealot did get a few changestho

[winter grove]

Nah not really

Every class talent tree was reset because of the changes

Which was annoying but sure

Zealot just didn't get talent changes

Either they're perfect in fatshark eyes

Or they forgot about zealot

[floral hearth]

yesn't

[molten hound]

do you guys know what that one visual effect that puts a bunch of frost on the edges of your screen means

[near sable]

you rolled low on perils

im sorry

[idle swallow]

You're in the daemonhost smell zone

[winter grove]

You rolled crit fail on strength check

[floral hearth]

you've been chewing 5 gum

[near sable]

psykers after rolling 100 twice in a row:

[molten hound]

i was playing vet

idk what was going on

[floral hearth]

me when someone says skibidi within one mile of me

[molten hound]

i was stuck in a corner and was killing a bunch of shit

[slow spade]

that's a daemonhost

its adviced that you don't fuck with it c:

[molten hound]

oh

[winter grove]

Ignore them

[molten hound]

i didnt know that

[winter grove]

If you see one

You should rush and kill them

[molten hound]

i think there was one on the other side of the wall

[winter grove]

And you didn't kill it?

[molten hound]

no we didnt aggro it

somehow

[winter grove]

Shame

It's free exp

Free plasteel

[plush sigil]

Bait used to be believable

[steady edge]

the issue with me playing lasgun is that, while I can get a headshot here and there, I need time to aim
and I can't chain headshots worth a damn, I'm not particularly good at the shooting part of FPSes

[slow spade]

Its not like you NEED to

[hollow ibex]

play recon las, and just aim in the general direction of the enemy

[slow spade]

As long as the target is dead, does it really matter how you got there?

I've hipfired Helbore to kill ragers before

[winter grove]

I used autopistol on zealot

I am ashamed

[tame lodge]

Psykers call that Warp Ice

[slow spade]

I mean if you can make the worst range weapon in the game work, you're probably fine

[steady edge]

I might try Boltgun...

[slow spade]

Bolter fun

And strong

[steady edge]

there's something about firing a fully automatic grenade launcher that gets me

[slow spade]

Can't go wrong with that

[steady edge]

actually

[slow spade]

Just keep in mind there's a minimum arming distance for the bolt rounds so be careful at close range

[steady edge]

have Guard ever used actual boltguns in lore?

[slow spade]

Yes

[winter grove]

Yeah

[steady edge]

not like Bolt Pistols or Heavy Bolters

[winter grove]

It's not like bolters are rare

[steady edge]

actual portable bolt rifles

[winter grove]

Yeah

[slow spade]

Ok not Bolt Rifles

[winter grove]

Boltguns

[slow spade]

As those are for Space Marine Primaris

But Bolters yes

[steady edge]

bolt rifle was an expression

yeah, the two-handed rifle-like bolters

[slow spade]

With space marine 2, its better to be clear imo

[molten hound]

boltguns pretty fire now

[slow spade]

Usually only the elite use bolters

Stuff like Scions, Kasrkin, and other elites

[molten hound]

before the patch every time you shot you had a 3 month cutscene of your character undergoing shoulder surgery + its subsequent rehab

now its actually usable as a marksman rifle

[hollow ibex]

usable as a marksman rifle and a hip-fired autocannon, should you so choose (your teammates might hate you)

[winter grove]

Sororitas uses them

Militarum uses them

It's not exclusive to power rangers of the imperium

[floral hearth]

aren't these the sororitas' version that we get

[steady edge]

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what playstyle I want with Vet lol

[winter grove]

Probably

Just not as saint or blessed

[steady edge]

yeah, I think the regular human-sized versions of the bolt weapons are what the rest of the Imperium gets

[floral hearth]

i used to think they were the handguns of the space marines at the start

lol

[steady edge]

Sororitas I imagine is a step up because they have power armor and divine blessings

[winter grove]

Just because imperium 3d prints lasguns doesn't mean Astra Militarum doesn't get bolters or anything cool

[tall torrent]

no, we get the arbites version

[plush sigil]

It's a variant of an Arbites' bolter

dang it

[floral hearth]

oh is it the arbites

i didnt know

[steady edge]

don't Arbites normally use shotguns

they get bolters?

[floral hearth]

gets hit by the Arbites knowledge twice

[tall torrent]

arbites are not on the same lvl as local enforcers

they're higher level

[winter grove]

Fight the crime the radical way

At least I think enforcers and arbites are LEOs

[steady edge]

yeah but still, I know their standard weapon is a shotgun

Kill Team, and Tithes ep 2

[tall torrent]

they have access to bolt weapons

boltgun & boltpistol

[winter grove]

Standard weapon of a guardsman is a lasguns of whatever pattern

Doesn't mean guardsmen don't get bolters and stuff

[tall torrent]

they don't

[steady edge]

huh

[tall torrent]

only storm troopers / grenadiers have access to those stuff

[winter grove]

At least I heard sergeants can get one

[tall torrent]

regular guardsman don't have them

[steady edge]

I figured

[tall torrent]

storm troopers & grenadiers have access to plasma weapons, hotshot lasguns, bolt weapons, power swords, etc

[steady edge]

actually, back to game stuff, how exactly do you guys play the Agripinaa/precise shotgun

[tall torrent]

click head

[steady edge]

should I be using that or the spread shotgun

[tall torrent]

both are ok

but just ok

[hollow ibex]

slug shotty better imo

[steady edge]

honestly one of the main reasons I liked the Agripinaa shotgun is because it allows me to outsnipe a sniper

mmm

which recon lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

i prefer mk 14

[tall torrent]

XII / XIV

up to preference

[hollow ibex]

mk 12 feels like shooting a water gun to me, even if the brrrrrt is highly entertaining at first

[winter grove]

Blue recon feels

Well

Weak af

I like green one more

[hollow ibex]

they have... colors?

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[winter grove]

Are you colourblind

[slow spade]

I'm not relearning their marks

Color is how I go by them now

[winter grove]

Blue
Green
Tan

3 colours that all weapons go by

Blue is usually fast shooting low dmg

Tan is the opposite

Green is the always the middle child

[midnight totem]

Day 2 of being on vacation

No Darktide, or Space Marine

[hollow ibex]

nah i just never paid attention to it lol

[midnight totem]

I miss killing heretics

[winter grove]

No way

[hollow ibex]

chill bro, i only got 400 hours in the game

[slow spade]

Ideally your gun is always red anyways

[hollow ibex]

true

[frail hornet]

whats the gucci curio perks and blessings setup these days

[neat stratus]

Bolt Pistols are so fun

[shadow fable]

If you build it right it has a very close ttk to the columnus autogun with better versatility

[winter grove]

I HAVE LESS

[shadow dagger]

oh my fucking god

it is so over

it is so

over

[muted prairie]

man brauto with inspiring barrage actually feels really nice to use

[shadow dagger]

okay nvm we are so back

@tall torrent could i get a rundown on what these perks do for breakpoints

[muted rapids]

Can anyone recommend good blessings for the inf auto gun?

[tough tiger]

dum dum fire frenzy?

[muted rapids]

close damage?

[tough tiger]

yeah

theres also sprint makes u invuln to ranged damage blessing but its mostly for the memes

[muted rapids]

i was running speed load but idk if i can even tell the difference

[tough tiger]

pretty fun to take into scab only ranged maelstrom

[tough tiger]

not worth

speedload honestly just makes u chew through ammo even faster

[muted rapids]

But dakka

[tough tiger]

i wish i can materialize ammo just by thinking about it

[frank basin]

You’re not psyker

You’re the soldier wake up cadian

[floral hearth]

its the doomstack youtuber?

cool

[tough tiger]

no