veteran-class

[winter grove]

Which one

Rashad is unarmored flak

Unarmored carapace if you did hit the breakpoint somehow

[worldly pulsar]

Rashad, yeah

[tall torrent]

Carapace + elite/unarmored

[worldly pulsar]

Hearing some different takes lol. Does carapace shave a hit or two off crushers?

[tall torrent]

3 hit crusher, 2 hit if one crit

[worldly pulsar]

Sick

[winter grove]

I mean

I did say unarmored carapace if you already hit the bp

[worldly pulsar]

That's true!

[tall torrent]

Flak is not necessary

[fiery moss]

Which shovel are you using for horde clearing?

[tall torrent]

He’s talking mk1

[winter grove]

HT fixes the need right?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[fiery moss]

gotcha

[winter grove]

Got it

Just gotta get rashad mastery and empower it

Shit's powerful even at 52% dmg 😭

[slow spade]

Rashad need buff

[winter grove]

True true

[slow spade]

built-in Brutal Momentum pls

[winter grove]

100% more dmg

[slow spade]

I like the way you think 😎

[winter grove]

Yeah, actual fucking cleave

Starter zealots gonna like that

[tall torrent]

That wouldn’t even change it much

U save 1 blessing slot but Rashad doesn’t have that many good blessings

Ig u could go shred + headtaker if BM was built-in

Shred is whatever
Thrust is whatever
Thunderous is whatever

[winter grove]

What was the name of skill when you get finesse dmg for oneshots

[tall torrent]

Decapitator is bad

[slow spade]

shred is nice because I like the funny yellow number

[tall torrent]

Needs a complete rework

[slow spade]

Darktide is one of the few games I've played where a crit build isn't good

[winter grove]

Uhhhhh

[slow spade]

at least it solved the issue of "when in doubt, crit build"

[winter grove]

Crit is orange now

Because fatshark

[slow spade]

not with my mods 😎

[tall torrent]

What

[slow spade]

apparently I have to rephrase that

"darktide is one of the few games I've played where you don't just automatically win with a crit build"

[winter grove]

Make it lime coloured :)

[tall torrent]

Kind of?

Depends

[winter grove]

Surely that never been done before

[mighty escarp]

I wish people would build more for the encounter than numbers.... Especially if the encounter goes wrong

[slow spade]

Rashad + Weapon Specialist + Revolver

just for you UwU

[mighty escarp]

Rather take that than a plasma vet these days lol

[winter grove]

They also build for numbers

Numbers of L's they've taken

[mighty escarp]

Lol fair enough

[tame lodge]

Laughs in Hsword strikedowns

[mighty escarp]

Had one of those lmb surge staff pyskers in one of my auric maels the other day, completely high off his numbers, let me and the bag zealot die.

Got stuck in a corner, slowly killing off the horde, then the pox gasser buffed the horde and he just melted into goo and proceeded to blame everyone else for it

[karmic moat]

Throne above do I love bayoneting heretics.

[ionic glen]

Give em the old Kasrkin double tap

[orchid hemlock]

PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN

[ionic glen]

YOU DIE WHEN I SAY SO

[sinful palm]

For Creed

[midnight totem]

You know

Today, I played two games of damn HITSG hab drekyo,

One was with 3 zealots the other was a full team of vets

The vets are just built different

[orchid hemlock]

IF YOU CAN BREATHE, YOU CAN KILL

[sinful palm]

They are cadians . They know how to fight

[shadow fable]

blessings for db shotgun?

[frank monolith]

Scattershot man stopper

[shadow fable]

not fullbore?

[frank monolith]

If your uding weapon spec with always prepared scattershot manstopper works, if not i donno what can work

[muted prairie]

lmao at least the descriptions remember the old gun names

[tall torrent]

Too wide spread

[sleek garden]

just got hit by a dog then hit by a poxburster then overheaded by a plague ogryn and died instantly

[cunning birch]

rounding go brrr

[tall torrent]

If it can still fire 8 shots consecutively, it’s fine

If not

[cunning birch]

got the 8 shot, tested in the psyk,

[verbal burrow]

Stuff like that is why I always laugh when someone on discord tells me "ez just don't die". If there's one thing I've learned whilst playing this genre since Left 4 Dead, it is that if the AI director wants you dead it will find a way. Usually that way involves half a dozen Trappers and half a dozen flamers

Dodging for my life whilst the Trappers presumably all listen to the Pokemon theme via their airpods

[frank monolith]

wait until you push a burster only for a shotgunner to shoot it back to you

[shadow fable]

One time I got collateral shot by a trapper that shot through a bot and got us both

[meager topaz]

Any Advice for penance "Make Every shot count" and "On Overwatch"?

[verbal burrow]

Yeah

My favourite moment was probably when I headshot a trapper, but then got netted by the second trapper coming from the other direction, only to then get jumped by 5 pox bursters in a row

[frank monolith]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxWrK5LPL7ZaIjFIEkkCXIuDHDZpkAP0Jy?si=UePEH4fqnF7dOxG9 director tried and failed

||he even cut the in game sound||

[severe adder]

is columnus iag still broken?

also is flak maniac not best anymore i see ppl run other shit

[verbal burrow]

honest to god depends on what you want the weapon to focus on

[tall torrent]

depends on weapon

majority of veteran weapons aren't flak + maniac

[placid portal]

getting Unarmored to 1 shot a Dreg Gunner

[orchid hemlock]

I go infested on everything

[thick needle]

Flak & Maniac is good for melee weapons, but I usually grab Flak & Elite for IAG

Also Bolter, but that's just to get more triggers of Volley Adept

[fading yarrow]

Flak and Unyielding are my go-to for almost everything: Knives, Swords, Boltguns, Revolvers etc

Sometimes I switch things up and change Unyielding out for Maniacs whenever I'm focusing on Specialists and Elites

[thick needle]

Make Every Shot Count- Take a Revolver and configure your Talents to take Fire Team (middle aura), Do Not Take Survivalist. Cap a bunch of enemies point blank, right from the beginning, then put your gun away after it runs out of ammo and only use melee.

[small loom]

what perks do yall have for dueling swords

[small loom]

for make every shot count, i did it with a low ammo stat shotgun. you can be very forgiving with it being 90% accuracy

[umbral scaffold]

does anyone still have the VOC voicelines meme with the picture of a guy shouting his lungs out with his mouth wide agape

[thick needle]

On Overwatch is much harder.
Infiltrate is the Ability I used to help complete this one, the best defense is simply not to get targeted at all. Use Infiltrate any time you're targeted by enemies, moving, ANY time you think you could be under threat, Stealth.
You'll have to play very carefully and very selfishly, always sitting in a corner of a map facing outwards and taking care not to lure too many enemies with gunfire. Keep your melee guard up as often as you can. The game calculates health damage oddly, taking two hits in rapid succession will pierce your toughness. Sometimes it'll goof and not count health damage as damage at all. Don't ragequit and don't get tilted if your health does take a knock.

[umbral scaffold]

alot of patience

[stable socket]

if you take any melee hit at 99% toughness or lower, a tiny bit of damage will spill over into your hp

the only way to not take any hp damage from melee is to be hit at 100+% toughness

[umbral scaffold]

happen to be arround a yellow toughness zelot/ vet and not stick arround spawn doors, avoid chargers and getting hit from behind

the stealth ability with the "overwatch" node can be very helpfull

and blocking

[radiant chasm]

you can block 360

so take a quick pair of weapons

and be ready to swap+block

[stoic thorn]

Is voice of command good

[umbral scaffold]

yeah

[stoic thorn]

Do I get the

Revive on the ability

[umbral scaffold]

no

[stoic thorn]

Ok

[umbral scaffold]

honestly terrible

[stoic thorn]

Do I get the other one

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[stoic thorn]

Oh wait I did

Nvm

[sweet bison]

Double barrel shotgun for the former.

Just get up close to a big target/horde, and make sure you do not have any ammo-related perks

[stoic thorn]

Where can I view my crit chance

[torpid comet]

yall know any good combat shotgun builds?

[stoic thorn]

Or my stats in general

[torpid comet]

there a mod that shows you crit chance

[stoic thorn]

I need to know whether the plasma I'm hurling is actually useful

Gives me peace of mind

Then i go back to hurling plasma

[torpid comet]

go to nexus mods and download the "show crit chance" mod

[stoic thorn]

Oh

I have a wishlist for the weapons I wanna see in the future ngl

[torpid comet]

one word. HELLGUN

[stoic thorn]

Hot-shot lasguns, Hot-Shot Volley Guns

A plasma pistol

Maybe a meltagun for fun

The Moebians already have the Hotshot Volleys

[umbral scaffold]

hellgun,
heavy stubber
medium stubber
meltagun
grenade launcher

volleygun

[stoic thorn]

Hellgun, Volley Hellgun, Meltagun, GL, Hot-Shot Sniper Rifle

Camo Cloak

[torpid comet]

ooh and the Long Las

[stoic thorn]

I play Kasrkin Kill Team

[torpid comet]

and a full set of skiitari armor

[umbral scaffold]

longlas yes

[stoic thorn]

Power axe when

Do we even have power axes in 40k

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[stoic thorn]

The space wolves do

Probably can get one custom made in a forgeworld

[torpid comet]

you just answered ur own question xD

[stoic thorn]

For guardsmen

We definitely cannot lift a space marine power axe

[torpid comet]

ah

[stoic thorn]

Also

Death rider lance

Just start fucking poking the horde lmfao

Oh yes

We need one thing.

We need a fucking POWER FIST

We can definitely use power fists

The plasma of the melee

Shit at crowd control but great with elites

[sweet bison]

i need a 1911 then my life is complete

aka the stub pistol

[torpid comet]

does the mechanicus even have the STCs for a 1911? if they do, they must be holy relics

[stoic thorn]

Sorry bro

Some random ass servitor ate it

[umbral scaffold]

stub pistol would be cool

[stoic thorn]

We do have the STC for the m2 browning

[umbral scaffold]

and maybe other plasmagun variants and another boltgun one

[stoic thorn]

And it's called a stubber now

[umbral scaffold]

since thoses dont have others

[stoic thorn]

It's been 38k years since the M2 Browning was invented

It's still in service

[torpid comet]

i want the storm bolter

[tall torrent]

we already have a melee weapon that does exactly that

[stoic thorn]

We are not surviving

[stoic thorn]

Power sword?

[tall torrent]

no, duelling sword

[stoic thorn]

Yeah I want the power fist to double both those attributes

[umbral scaffold]

power firsst would be cool

[stoic thorn]

Absolutely atomise a poxwalker

Or an elite

[umbral scaffold]

would have to be a special one that restrict your ranged to a pistol though

[stoic thorn]

We can barely manage the boltguns recoil

We can't really survive the storm bolter

[tall torrent]

we can shoot it with zero actual recoil

[stoic thorn]

Oh

[tall torrent]

with exe stance, it's all visual recoil

[stoic thorn]

There's no downsized storm bolter for us

[tall torrent]

the actual shot-to-shot pattern is basically 1 dot

[stoic thorn]

The storm bolter we are getting

Is the storm bolters on tanks

And those are the storm bolters for TERMINATORS

[tall torrent]

we're not getting storm boltguns

[umbral scaffold]

^

[tall torrent]

the best we'll get are hotshot volleygun

[strange crow]

Yarrick?

[tall torrent]

I'm just waiting for hotshot volleygun and longlas for vet

[umbral scaffold]

human sized stormbolter yes, terminator one no

[stoic thorn]

The fuck you mean yarrick

He had a bolt pistol

[strange crow]

This guy

[stoic thorn]

Oh

This mf does have a storm bolt pistol

But he's the exception

[strange crow]

No? Acolytes could take storm bolters

[stoic thorn]

Balls so steely

[strange crow]

In Inquisition lists

[stoic thorn]

Omnissiah blessed his ass

[strange crow]

And Sisters of battle

[stoic thorn]

Oh

1984

So they do have storm bolters

[strange crow]

Yes Yarrick isn't special in getting that pattern of Storm Bolter

He's special in being able to fire it off one hand

[stoic thorn]

What if the ogryn

Dual wield powerfists

[torpid comet]

whats the dumpstat for shotguns?

[stoic thorn]

For range we just duct tape 2 stubbers below it

[crimson pebble]

ogryn when

[tall torrent]

Combat shotgun, stability
DB shotgun, mobility

[stoic thorn]

Ogryn with heavy bolter

[steady edge]

what ability do I pair with a shotgun? Shout I think is always good but I don't know how it could work with Infiltrate

[torpid comet]

.< i dumped mob on my combat shotty.. guess i need to grind for orders to get a new one

[terse idol]

I mean i doubt it's that bad

[lunar jasper]

Exe Stance

[tall torrent]

all 3 work

[muted gorge]

are you really doing a true commisar RP if you dont magdump into the psykers skull end round?

[lunar jasper]

Beginning and end*

[muted gorge]

if you've played Dawn of War I imagine it like executing a guardsman for morale where it just rings out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EirpwFWSBfU

[steady edge]

If you will not serve on the battlefield then you will serve on the firing line

tbh I find it a bit of a wacky mechanic, especially since Guard NEED to Execute if they want their infantry to remain competitive mid-late game

otherwise Guardsmen get destroyed by what constitutes "core infantry" for every other faction

but I digress

[steady edge]

I guess Exe Stance turns your shotgun into, like, a sniper

[muted gorge]

I never played against other real people i just liked the campaigns tbh

[steady edge]

but tbh at that point I'd use a lasgun lmao

[strange sparrow]

Is the power sword good? I've been running power sword and bolt gun and mastered both

It just feels slow to use these two

[placid portal]

Slug shotgun when you get full bore

Power sword is pretty slow

[tame lodge]

Top 3 melee weapon for vets

[strange sparrow]

what are the other two? I'm guessing chain sword is one of them

[fiery moss]

RASHAAAAAAAAD

[tame lodge]

Number 1 is Rashad

[fiery moss]

ra-chad

[strange sparrow]

the combat axe eh?

[tame lodge]

Then power sword 6

Yeah

Get Brutal Momentum

Headtaker

[strange sparrow]

thanks man, imma try that out

[tame lodge]

Unarmored perk

[steady edge]

right now I'm using assault chainsword

[strange sparrow]

I've trying it too, but the charge attack is a bit hard to land

[tall torrent]

general purpose yea

[fiery moss]

special attack on chainsword is for single targets

not for crowds

[tall torrent]

knife and duelling sword are both better in other regards

[steady edge]

I'll probably try combat blade

duelling sword I'm already using on my psyker

[tall torrent]

knife costs a lot of talents on veteran to feel good

more than any other melee weapon

[steady edge]

huh

[tall torrent]

yea

[steady edge]

what about...devil's claw sword

[tall torrent]

less

[strange sparrow]

Yeah I haven't realize to use talent on melee

[tall torrent]

actually no, costs 1 point more than rashad

[strange sparrow]

I just focus on improving my bolt gun

[tall torrent]

needs rending

[frank basin]

Shattering impact

[strange sparrow]

bolt gun is good, but small magazine, slow reload, and slow pull out makes it important to use talent point on it

[tall torrent]

u can still afford at least 5 points into melee even on boltgun build

[strange sparrow]

I haven't read deep into the talent points, I should do that

after playing the game after launch, I just kinda forgot about it

[frank basin]

Try read it

[strange sparrow]

went back to vermintide

[frank basin]

See what best for you

[strange sparrow]

the game added so much tho

[frank basin]

Psyker talent tree got extended

[strange sparrow]

I wanna play psyker next, just because they got a big sword

[frank basin]

Force sword

[placid portal]

Broke jedi as psyker

[frank basin]

There’s illisi which crowd control sword and Deimos single target swing

[placid portal]

Psyker is a jedi that took death sticks

[torpid comet]

dump stat for plasma gun?

[winter grove]

They delete single targets better I assume

[placid portal]

Also superior mobility and dodge count too

[torpid comet]

whats the dumpstat for the plasma gun?

[placid portal]

Don know sah, havent used plasma goon

[hollow ibex]

80% damage
80% stopping power
80% ammo
69~70% thermal resist
70~71% charge rate

[torpid comet]

gotcha tysm

[hollow ibex]

this isn't from me, this is from the veteran guidebook nerd

[winter grove]

None

[torpid comet]

does the plasma gun count as a las weapon for Shock Trooper talent?

[trim steppe]

No

[meager topaz]

what are good blessing for the bolt pistol?

[winter grove]

No

It's plasma weapon

[winter grove]

Lethal proximity + Surgical

[radiant chasm]

Surgical puncture, surgical da and lethal proximity puncture for grenadier

[inner stratus]

How come strike party has 11 people I thought dark tide has 4 max ppl on mission. They just chilling ?

[radiant chasm]

Dont care for lethal+ surgical, they do opposite things (lethal is up close and personal, surgical is slow and methodical)

[umbral scaffold]

so ppl can watch

[inner stratus]

I see

[winter grove]

This man doesn't know

[radiant chasm]

Then tell this thing

[winter grove]

So

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-gif-11629714461182822381

[winter grove]

Funny thing about lethal proximity

It increases the explosion radius

[radiant chasm]

Omg

Smartass

I said grenadier build

[winter grove]

Shut the fuck up

[radiant chasm]

Above

[winter grove]

You turn shredders into WMDs

[unborn perch]

Aye

What to take for blessings on the sapper shovel?

[radiant chasm]

Thanks captain obvious i thought there would be surgical tech

[winter grove]

Uncanny + Deci/Skullcrusher

[radiant chasm]

Lethal proximity puncture vs lethal prox surgical is a personal choice

[unborn perch]

I’m takin thrust for one so best 2nd

[radiant chasm]

But i find if i’m not investing into crits and mostly investing in straight damage boosts and grenades, puncture is better

But go ahead repeat something i said literally a minute ago

[winter grove]

Thrust for folding ones yeah

[radiant chasm]

Smartass behavior

[unborn perch]

Out of the three you mentioned which one is best for horde clear?

Seems like uncanny but I’ve never fucked with these shovels before so.

[radiant chasm]

Uncanny won’t help for unarmored infested but will help for everything else, for horde clear it will be deci if you can maintain the stacks, or skullcrusher

[winter grove]

Uncanny helps against everything with armor

Be it flak or carapace

[unborn perch]

I need it to be a single target\horde clear hybrid. Thrust is my single target.

[radiant chasm]

And unyielding and maniac weirdly

[crude fiber]

I'd only recommend uncanny on the none folding shovel so you can kill elites faster. The folding ones don't really need it imo

[unborn perch]

I’ll see what’s up with decimator and Skullcrusher then.

[crude fiber]

That's what I'd use on a folding shovel. Uncanny helps but the special attack can already kill crushers after both ticks if you build ALL the way Into doing that

[fading yarrow]

How does the Heavy Sword feel on Vet?

[torpid comet]

controversial opinion but i hate the plasma gun so far

[fading yarrow]

You know what

I'm gonna back you up on that

[torpid comet]

the delay between pressing fire and the gun actually firing is painful

[fading yarrow]

It really doesn't feel great

Exactly that

[torpid comet]

id rather use the helbore.. and thats saying alot

[unborn perch]

Helbore and plasma are both awesome guns no bullshit

[fading yarrow]

The delay is so long that I feel like I'm charging my shot even when I'm not

[stable socket]

it takes a bit of getting used to - on a plasma you should be firing before aiming, if that makes sense

unlike other guns where you pull the trigger after the sights are on target, on the plasma you just pull the trigger and then aim while the gun is getting ready to fire

[crude fiber]

I don't mind the delay of the plasmagun too much but after not using it for awhile and seeing all the cries for it to be nerfed I was a little let down when I picked it up again.

[unborn perch]

Is this MK 4 sapper shovel a light spam weapon for horde clear? Or do you alternate a heavy and a light?

[radiant chasm]

It’s not my cup of tea

[fading yarrow]

Horse clear
Bro's working at the glue manufactorum

[unborn perch]

Lol

[crude fiber]

I see mk 1, 3, and 7 shovels?

[unborn perch]

It’s the 7 mb

[crude fiber]

Not an expert on move sets but probably just heavy spam for the horizontal sweeps

[fading yarrow]

The basic shovel is the lightspam one

Aka Mk 1, now

[crude fiber]

Mk1 with attack speed is super funny

[winter grove]

You're using folding shovels right?

[unborn perch]

Yeah decimator and thrust for heavy spam seems like the play.

Yeah folding - mk7

[fading yarrow]

In that case you should be fine

[winter grove]

Elite carapace
Thrust uncanny

[fading yarrow]

Decimator and Thrust are my favorite shobel Blessings

[unborn perch]

I didn’t even realize decimator stacked to fuckin 10

[torpid comet]

is this a good lasgun build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3997f6-38e9-41d5-9331-85b60a03428b/test-24?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[placid portal]

Funny how decimator stacks start at 2

[torpid comet]

only pay attention to the talent tree for now

[winter grove]

Use thrust to charge the special heavy

[unborn perch]

For sure 👍🏻

[winter grove]

And for horde clear

Just spam heavy lol

Uncanny does it better than deci

[slow spade]

Longshot is shit (0.8% damage at 13m 20% damage at 30m)

[unborn perch]

Is uncanny just more damage to target or is it doing something else?

[slow spade]

I'd pick up Focus Target if you wanted damage

[torpid comet]

what should i swap it for?

[winter grove]

It's armor penetration for free

[slow spade]

get Agile Engagement

I just noticed you're 1 point away from it

[winter grove]

You just start doing bigger dmg to anyone with armor

[torpid comet]

i always forget to ping is my problem

[slow spade]

yeah I'm dumb, get Agile Engagement

[unborn perch]

I’m only working with 58% damage until I empower it fully so I’ll have to make a final call between deci or uncanny later on.

[slow spade]

I know you're using Helbore

but Bayonet should be melee

[winter grove]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d35540f-b697-4055-81a0-7e5d47706a63/poster-boy

Mai lasgun build

[torpid comet]

so does meleeing with helbore count for agile engagement?

[torpid comet]

bruh thats damn near the build i was using earlier

[slow spade]

Helbore Bayonet used to be op as fuck because it gets buffed by your melee weapon's blessings

I'm not certain but its likely it counts as melee

OLD video, doesn't work anymore

[winter grove]

All lasgun builds are similar

Except infantry lasguns > hellbores

[slow spade]

but its why I think Agile Engagement should work on your Bayonet

[torpid comet]

agile engagement doesnt proc

[slow spade]

damn

it was worth a try

[torpid comet]

so stabbing with bayonett doesnt give the ranged shot any buff

wait

i just saw two icons for agile pop up

[slow spade]

imagine if it counted for both UwU

in case it doesn't, Grenade tinkerer for better crowd control, One Motion due to Helbore swap speed, and -0.25s Stamina delay are all good picks

[torpid comet]

it actually does

dope

[slow spade]

oh shit worth a try then

hope it works out for you c:

[placid portal]

This image speaks so many lvls of veteran gameplay

[winter grove]

If I am doing gameslantern builds

I am gonna use that image

[torpid comet]

wish me luck on heresy with this build

[winter grove]

Heresy-

Awh

[torpid comet]

im shit at the game dont judge ;-;

[winter grove]

I won't

I just play auric because there's a lot of enemies

There's just so little shit to kill on lower diffs

[placid portal]

Spam slide when being shot at

[stoic thorn]

Where can I get a standard closed mouth helm

That's not at least a hundred thousand dollarydoos

[molten hound]

what blessings for boltgun

[woven oak]

I use surgical/pinning fire

[winter grove]

Puncture pinning fire

[woven oak]

Good luck

[molten hound]

hmm

is deadshot usable with boltgun

or is it overkill

[winter grove]

Not needed

Exec stance does everything it needs

[fading yarrow]

I will be playing your lasgun build

[molten hound]

oh dear

the swap speed is massively improved but i think you still need the swap speed talent

[fading yarrow]

I use Cavalcade and Shattering Impact

[molten hound]

god dammit

veteran is so starved for talent points

[karmic moat]

bayonet my beloved

[molten hound]

is demo team generally better than demo stockpile

or atleast good enough so that you dont have to invest 2 points into demo stockpile

if you're going exec stance

if going shout you would probably take it anyway

[torpid comet]

didnt go horribly but yeah.. my opinion stands.. helbore is better than plasma

not much better tho imo

[umbral scaffold]

what is the best way to complete the make every shot count penance?

I tried running a mission with the revolver, but I had another vet on the team who refunded me ammo

low ammo count weapon and a teamate that doesnt replenish your ammo

not sure how to do it naturally

ah

will have to keep trying then

[deft crystal]

How are yall twoo shotting with rashad

[slow spade]

aim for head

it should be 1

[deft crystal]

Bromentum, headtaker cara = unarmoured

[deft crystal]

I am

so wt

[slow spade]

then you're fine

[deft crystal]

no

I am aiming for head

but its only a 3 shot

3 to 4 ish

[slow spade]

"I am"

ok

[deft crystal]

I meant to reply to the message above it

that says "aim for head"

sorry for the confusion

[dim niche]

I HAVE RETURNED

also i got a questin

[deft crystal]

desparado, precision strikes, +10% melee, +5% melee, bring it down,

so how tf

[dim niche]

what is a godroll for a bolt pistol

[deft crystal]

is it not one shotting

[daring sage]

I just got one with 60 mobility

[deft crystal]

60% mobilityy

80 eeverything elses

[dim niche]

what perks please

[deft crystal]

Can you show me the build and axe you use to one shot crushers?

[indigo edge]

Flak and Maniac are good for breakpoints

[daring sage]

Yeah that is what i have too but i was too lazy to check the breakpoints

[stable socket]

for rashad, if you run brutal momentum + max stack thrust and have agile engagement (plus maybe focus target) active i bet oneshotting a crusher on non-crit headshot is doable

[glacial beacon]

What are they best horde clear options for non melee vet

[daring sage]

I use the basic shovel

I forgot the name

[stable socket]

for pure clear speed on non-elites, my guess is probably brutal momentum rashad (once you have enough damage to hit the one shot headshot breakpoints on bruisers) or chainsword with rampage/wrath + shred, but i'm not 100% sure

[glacial beacon]

Ya idk I've tried the shovels, they just shmear enemies all over the place without actually killing anything. I've been using Rashad and it works well, didn't knownif there was better options

[unborn perch]

Mk 7 shovel thrust and decimator heavy spam is good and safe to use. Offers good single target damage with special attack.

[glacial beacon]

In my experience anything that requires heavy attacks without any of the attack speed boosts puts you in a bad situation quickly when put against the full horde on auric damnation

[earnest bone]

try mk1 uncanny strike/decimator

[glacial marlin]

Is the slug shotgun any good for elite/special sniping?

[shadow fable]

Yes but outclassed by other weapons that do it much better

[glacial marlin]

I assume hard to get the one shot

[wet ether]

finally now i can use focus target

[winter grove]

Do it :)

[stoic thorn]

I've fully maxed out my Plasma Gun in masteries

Ooh

I've got a 70/80/80/80/70 catachan knife not bad

Not bad I think

[glacial marlin]

I got a bolt Pistol with 74 in every stat

[jade aurora]

how meta is the power sword?

[shadow fable]

It deals with everything extremely well

[stoic thorn]

The plasma gun has a charged attack wtf

Hm

Holy shit I got a 80/60/80/80/80

Bolt pistol

[pastel zealot]

...can grenades crit?

[rigid pilot]

No

[pastel zealot]

bummer lol

[atomic burrow]

Now keep checking that shop for an 80/61/80/80/80.

[torn glen]

Only grenade that can crit in the game is Assail

Or maybe the throwing knife for zealot with shroudfield active

[atomic burrow]

I want to see the stun grenade crit.

[stoic thorn]

Oh that's the purpose of the charged shot

1.5k damage and I kill myself

Not a bad trade

[torn glen]

Yeah dude

The coolest Environment penetrating shots- Explodes and died

[stoic thorn]

It seems heresy is NOT for me yet

Not for my plasma ass

[torn glen]

Just left click all the time, that’s the best tip for plasma

[stoic thorn]

Wait what the fuck?

I had a 80/60/80/80/80 plasma this whole time?

Grinding to get it up

[wet ether]

so this might sound abit weird but this is just personal opinion the professional male veteran does his voice lines better than the female professional veteran

both male and female cutthroats voice lines are awesome as god knows what

and the female loose cannon does her voice lines better the male loose cannon

just personal opinion this is

[fiery moss]

They're all good.

Probably some of the best voice acting in any 40k game released since the 90s.

Except for maybe Commissar Holt.

[grand perch]

anyone got any suggestions for eccentric challenge builds? i feel like i wanna try something weird

[fiery moss]

Anyone have suggestions on speeding up crab walking for penance purposes? Lmao

[split grove]

if i dont wanna dump mobility what power sword am i running

dump cleave target and run sunder?

[earnest bone]

dump cleave and get Power Cycler + Brutal Momentum or if you dont want to aim - Slaughterer

when using brutal, aim horizontal charged lights at the head's level

[split grove]

wait which pow sword am i supposed to be using

[vital wedge]

I do enjoy mk6

[earnest bone]

mk6

[wet ether]

this may sound abit dumb but why dont us veterans have a unique weapon that has an underbarrel nade launcher attachment?

i mean our blitz ability could make use of that

[magic trout]

This is not CoD

Mostly because of lore.
Most of the weaponry in WH40K is outdated and hard to resuply.
A underbarrel at this time would be considered archtecnology.
Also we got standarized and scavenged weaponry if would be to much effort to supply this armament to all varlets.

[lucid dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/570463341395312642/1294613032063991879/bild.png speaking of underbarrel, can we get a chainpistol like this dude

[wet ether]

This would be awesome

As for the idiot above cunk (solymr) I know this ain’t cod but look at space marine 2 the bolter rifle has a under barrel nade launcher attachment

[magic trout]

In any moment i did offend you

[wet ether]

Use ya head it’s not outside the realm of possibility

[grand perch]

why ask for underbarrel attachments when you have a hair trigger already

[wet ether]

I mean what we got fucking power swords, las guns, force swords, thunder hammers

Do you want me to continue because I bloody can

I mean we already have attachments such as torches and a bloody laser sight and a under barrel attachment that is the bayonet

[sick cedar]

Hey uh is this a bug?

I changed the mark on my heblore and the stats just

[magic trout]

Customization mod bug

[sick cedar]

Ahhh

[magic trout]

Reset parts and save and go back to main menu, select your character.
This should fix and now the stats should appear.

[forest breach]

dueling sword is so good

maybe too good even

[sick cedar]

Thank you

[wet ether]

So do you see my fucking point now

All of what I just said isn’t outside the realm of possibility in warhammer 40k I mean look at the Necromunda Hired Gun for example the augmetics

[rocky jacinth]

There's really nothing in the lore that prevents modified weapons, except maybe Hadron being a square about it, but a lot of the weapons we get are already modified.
Particularly considering the make due situation of the Mourningstar and the scavenging nature of the arsenal it ought to be encouraged.

Just chalk it up to "artistic license"

[scarlet vessel]

torn between Puncture+Shattering Impact or Puncture +Surgical on Bolter

[terse gate]

what are good perks for bolt pistol? Can't find the rolls anywhere

[magic trout]

Surgical is for headhunting
Shsttering for close combat

[magic trout]

Perks or blessings?
-Perks to be all rounder:
25% flak
25% maniacs
-Elite killing:
25% flak
10% vs Elite

[terse gate]

Sorry blessings, always mix them up

[pearl sapphire]

I run both armor perks and explosion blessing alongside 100% weak spot

[terse gate]

Appreciate it

[pearl sapphire]

Yep

Lethal proximity and deadly accurate are the names of the blessings

There are probably some better ones out there so watch out

[magic trout]

-For headhunter:
Surgical + deadly aim
-For close combat/side weapon:
Puncture + Lethal proximity
Point blank + Lethal proximity
-For survivality:
Glory hunter + deadly aim
Glory hunter + surgical
This what i use

[pearl sapphire]

Any good executioners stance talent tree builds for bolt rifle?

[winter grove]

We don't get underbarrel grenade launcher because we get Grenade launchers

Also commonly known as bolt guns

[dry cloak]

rumbler begs to differ

[winter grove]

That's for ogryns

We talk about veteran

The cooler guy

[nimble canyon]

best perks and blessings for auto shotgun?

also which shotgun do you reccomend?

[kind hull]

Hi, I'm currently rocking a Recon Lasgun Exec Stance Vet to play with friends, one who's Ogryn and never shoots, one Zealot that misses his revolver shots, and someone who often play psyker with no range.
If I were to try and be the special / elite deleter, while diverging off Recon + Exec, is there a build or weapons you could suggest me ?

[severe zinc]

Which version of recon are you running?

[rigid schooner]

Bolter, ads revolver (and being good), vraks infantry autogun, and infantry lasgun are all decent

Oh and plasma gun, can't forget that

[odd sparrow]

agreed therers plenty of options for 1tapping specials and most the squishier elites

[lucid dune]

You probably want to be anti shooter too so lasguns and autoguns are good

[magic trout]

Maybe a bit weird but it worksfor me

Lasgun with headhunter + deadly aim

@pearl sapphire

Bolt rifle
Surgical + pinning fire

[tawdry jackal]

EXCUSE ME SWEATY ITS A GYROJET LAUNCHER FIRING MASS REACTIVE ROUNDS MADE IN THE EMPEROR'S IMAGE (THE SIZE OF HIS COCK)

or uhh

w/e the lore is

[nimble canyon]

whats a good build for auto shotgun

[thick kestrel]

two stage rocket assisted explosive rounds is more the boltgun thing. the gyrojet IS a rocket propelled bullet but it does work a bit differently from the idea of bolts.

(mainly because bolts have casings... purely for the rule of cool)

[tawdry jackal]

yeah i remember it being described as a gyrojet that blows people up

[pearl sapphire]

I am in love with the bolt gun

[pearl sapphire]

Thanks

[placid portal]

Fun work

[thick kestrel]

kind of? the Gyrojet is purely rocket propelled, which is what gave it it's "strange" characteristics compared to normal firearms. essentially starting out very slow before gathering speed.

bolts on the other hand use a "standard" charge to initially get up to speed, then a rocket motor kicks in once the bullet is already in flight to keep it accelerating to the target. once it hits it then detonates on/in the target.

both are tocket assisted munitions... but the Bolt has a lot of sci-fi nonsense for the rule of cool baked in ^^

[nimble canyon]

uh anyone able to help me?

[sturdy karma]

How do you guys play like a doom slayer run and gun shotgun build? Iv tried few runs with the agrippina combat shotgun but it feels off, not great at horde clear and can’t 1 tap elites

[lunar jasper]

Use double barrel

[sturdy karma]

With the cleave blessing and full bore?

[nimble canyon]

i wanna figure out how to make the combat shotgun work

[sturdy karma]

I was trying to make it work and you don’t really excel at anything

[lunar jasper]

Full bore and run and gun, can sprint while hipfiring it with more accurate hip fire

[placid portal]

Manstopper Flechette Double barrel Weapon Specialist

[sturdy karma]

I was better off going full melee with the duelling sword when I had the combat shotty out

[thick kestrel]

Hi Marley, are you meaning the combat shotguns?

they're thankfully quite flexable to use once you get the rythmn sorted for them and get used to treating them a bit more as a precision weapon than traditional game shotguns.

for personal preference I actually run mine with an exe-stance loadout:

[sturdy karma]

It’s good for stagger that seemed all

[thick kestrel]

no respite and full bore on the mkVII slug shotgun works rather nicely with this

[lunar jasper]

The DB or Agri?

[thick kestrel]

but you need to chase going for headshots a lot of the time

one happy upside is that you can keep exe-stance going even if you empty the shotgun, the time it takes you to reload a shell between shots is enough time to keep it going :>

[lunar jasper]

Takes too much time to constantly load the slug after each specialist kill. Seemed like he wanted to just run around and go crazy

[sturdy karma]

The agri combat shotgun, Iv not tried a double barreled yet I’ll try that tomorrow

[thick kestrel]

but this is, overall, more of a generic exe-stance build than a combat shotgun specfic one

[thick kestrel]

happily enough the above does well with standard shots as well, save the slugs for long range pokes or carapace targets.

[magic trout]

Thats the only way to make agripina shotgun work

[lunar jasper]

I’d probably go +25% swap speed and +25% reload speed w ammo since the shotguns can be on the slower side

[thick kestrel]

very fair calls

particularly as you'll often be reloading with at least 1 shell in the tube

[lunar jasper]

^

It didn’t reply lmao

[thick kestrel]

all good ^^

[hearty panther]

xstance is so much fun now

[thick kestrel]

just quickly jumped into the psykanum and recorded the above build just taking shots with pellet shells though. mainly against non-carapace but just to show that it's not entirely worthless in non-slug mode...

just quickly uploading to youtube... should only take a minute

[hearty panther]

whats the agrippina called now

[thick kestrel]

but it can definitely be refined, the above build is mostly a generic exe-stance loadout. could 100% be more fine tuned for use with the combat shotguns

[sturdy karma]

Any time I run a build without voice during the game I wish I had it

[hearty panther]

man. Fuck VoC

[faint beacon]

Woe, every disabler focusing you for the rest of the match

[hearty panther]

so bored of VoC

[thick kestrel]

it's still the Agrippina, just mkVII now.

[hearty panther]

ah

ye its a very good shotty all around

[thick kestrel]

the lawbringer is now the Zarona, the Kantreal is now the Accatran

[hearty panther]

to note for all shotguns but especially the agrip is that ADS boosts finesse profiles

so you do more headshot and crit damage aiming down sight than in hip, on top of the tighter choke

[thick kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwnrVdRbiBU

will take a minute for HD

but yeah... this is far from awful

[hearty panther]

its absolutely plenty for anti-shooter and elite work

[thick kestrel]

particularly as this particular shotty I'm using still has rank 3 blessings

even left in my terrible aim 😛

[daring sage]

does the hellbore suck or do i have skill issues (or both)

[thick kestrel]

Helbores are good, but they need specific blessings and take a bit of getting used to

[daring sage]

pulling them out takes so long

[faint beacon]

One Motion

[thick kestrel]

try slapping on weight of fire and either Surgical or the Armour Breaking blessing which applies brittle.

they also have a LOT equip time so taking the weapon swap node helps. getting used to using the bayonnette for "small" melee encounters is also important

[faint beacon]

Literally take that talent

[hearty panther]

i wish they didnt fuck with the bayonet

dunno if it was even intentional but i assume no

either way the true secret to avoiding helbore drawtime is to just never put it away

i cannot wrap my head around these new names man

but the non-shitty bayonets have an unchargrd and charged attack, the latter being significantly more damaging and only involves holding the special down a little longer

and in that charged (couched) state you can start sprinting for a bayonet charge

which is faster than the default sprint speed the rifle has

by what number i still dont know

[tawny badger]

what's this about a bayonet charge

[unborn perch]

Bruh, just activate executioner’s stance and you completely eliminate draw time with Helbore.

[hearty panther]

no true krieger would ever live a moment without their helbore already at the shoulder

but yea xstance also fucks

and yes bayonet charge

[pearl sapphire]

The draw time on the hellbore pretty dumb

[hearty panther]

it was easier to do before this last patch, i assume w/e silliness is going on with other charged and activated specials is related

try it in the Psykhanium, doesnt work with the shitty bayonet mark that swings it over your head

press special, quick jab
hold special, gun is tucked/couched back, release for strong jab

hold special and sprint forward, bayonet charge, does the heavy hit

very respectable finesse values

staggers ragers

have fun

[kind hull]

Accatran XII + Refund on crit, crit based build to keep shooting through the whole game, specials, elites, shooters are gunned down

[kind hull]

Revolver + Weap Specialist, I believe ? Also, do you have maybe a vraks build lying somwhere ?

[pure ermine]

What are the best perks for power sword? Breakpoint wise

[rigid schooner]

Power cycler is generally considered best, if not mandatory

[pure ermine]

Oh I meant perks not blessings

Like unarmored or flak, those things

[daring sage]

im dumb

does the mk matter for the hellbore

[unborn perch]

Depends on the purpose you need one for.

If you need one for armored targets of the larger variety like crushers or bosses then the mk with highest secondary action damage is the one you want. If it’s for clearing shooters and elites then try either of the other two marks.

[pearl sapphire]

I just had a guy take all the ammo while he was running a hellbore and then complained that I wasn’t shooting anything while I was running the fucking bolter

[opaque talon]

Hello my second fav class

[rigid schooner]

Flack/maniac is the standard for everything at the moment, but power sword can probably run a carapace or unyielding but I don't know off the top of my head

[daring sage]

okay these tips actually helped a ton lol

the bayonet hits like a truck

[thick kestrel]

there is some argument still for damage vs Elites I think... but mostly on weapons which kind of have some general capability anyways where it doesn't feel awful against carapace or you need a little extra to reliably punch through unarmoured/unyeilding breakpoints or specific manic targets.

it is however more niche and typically flak/maniac is reliable enough most of the time

(best example for an alternative I've seen is Manic/Elite on the boltpistol, for one shot headshots on Ragers)

mind you... that might not be nessecary after the bolt weapon rebalance... will need to science

[placid belfry]

opinions on the destruction of cadia?

[grand perch]

never happened

[coarse tide]

Any balance changes in the latest hotfixes?

[hollow warren]

Diggin how these pants fit with the sentry chest piece

[sleek garden]

nice and clean

figured i would test out my favorite sword with the creature spawner

i havent really used mods before

it was interesting to finally see exactly how my catachan fares against a crusher

not as efficient but i also wanted to see with the third person thing

[woven oak]

Amazing how a machete can deflect a 200+ pound chunk of stone

[sleek garden]

one of the weapon descriptions mentions to the catachans its a knife and to everyone else its a sword

i thought nothing of it then i played space marine 2

its literally a knife

was funny to see

[daring sage]

okay nvm still fucking hate the hellbore lol

its just not good on the fly which is when you need it 99% of the time

[sleek garden]

i use it with executor's stance and extra stamina

so i can run with it more

the bayonet gives it some melee use i try not to put it away too much

[daring sage]

my issue is like

[sleek garden]

third person is kinda fun

[daring sage]

i get interrupted by like groups of 3 enemies so often

and i gain so little which i dont get from other weapons

unlike a plasma gun/bolter

[sleek garden]

i like the mid tier version

heavy enough to hurt big guys enough ammo to shoot some normal shooters

[daring sage]

yeah thats the one ive been using

i am going to keep giving it a shot buts its pretty frustrating so far

[sleek garden]

i do prefer the infantry lasgun but definitely in the middle of a fight is not its range

i try to stay behind my teammates with that kind of gun

maybe i'll give it a spin too

perhaps try the lighter version

im looking at the three i have and im gonna try the greenest looking one

the mkIIIa

[misty lance]

i just made build for shredder

what blessings are good on this dolar store gun

[faint beacon]

DC and HS don’t fair well against Carapace is their issue it’s just DC have really fucking terrible ADM vs the HS

So the Heavy Sword you can eventually crack open a Crusher in like 7 swings whilst DC you should really only focus parrying

[frigid tangle]

How does one get the Accatran MkVId, seem to only see MkXII, MkXIV and MkVIc

[stable socket]

my guess is that the name was changed or misspelled at some point

[stoic thorn]

I love the catachan knife simply because of the parry mechanic

Maniac with a mace charges me? I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, middle mouse button

[trim steppe]

A bunch of weapons were renamed a few weeks ago. The Mk6d has become the Mk12

[pastel zealot]

whats veterans easiest horde weapon?

(spam light attack)

[trim steppe]

Right there with you bud lol

[trim steppe]

for melee? Rashad combat axe

[pastel zealot]

yeah?

[trim steppe]

Yup. Easily

[pastel zealot]

unarmored + flak?

[sleek garden]

middle mouse button?

[trim steppe]

For horde clear, yeah. Now that you can get perfect rolls really easily, you can also do things like replace flak with carapace to kill crushers faster. But then you rely on building up Headtaker stacks before you can horde clear effectively

[pastel zealot]

im addicted to krak

[trim steppe]

So I still run unarmored+flak, BM + HT

[pastel zealot]

i appreciate you!

[stable socket]

with precision strikes and desperado i need 3 stacks of headtaker (or one stack with an additional +10% melee node, which is what i run most of the time) to oneshot the flak-headed bruisers with unarmored carapace rashad

so if i see a bunch of those in a horde i open with a push attack for more cleave, which (iirc) lowers their hp enough that the second swing can trigger brutal momentum like normal. then from the third swing onwards, headtaker is stacked enough that it can kill everything - i think without the 10% there might be one swing that doesn't cleave though

[verbal burrow]

Try this helbore:

[daring sage]

lol

[sleek garden]

i hate mutie rushes with 30 muties

[mental cloud]

What are we putting on the shovels? Uncanny+ ?

[umbral parrot]

As a Vet user, this is the best thing ever!

[pearl sapphire]

Bonk+ is best on shovels

[umbral parrot]

Yell like crazy! VoC = win.

[pearl sapphire]

Executioners stance with bolt gun is pretty damn good

[mental cloud]

Uncanny and what else. Is what I meant lol

[pearl sapphire]

Bonk+ I’m telling you

Idfk lol

[mental cloud]

You steel legion boys are wild

[sleek garden]

I am a vet and i hate getting grabbed and thrown into a grab and thrown into a grab and thrown into a grab where a sniper is standing and he kicks me to death while im grabbed

[trim steppe]

You just have to yell at the mutties in mid air so they are too afraid to pick you up

Cast vicious mockery on their stupid tiny arm

[sleek garden]

tiny?

you must be thinking of charger l4d2

he has a wanking arm and a normal arm

[trim steppe]

Ah yes you're probably right

[strange crow]

Indeed

[hollow bane]

what roll do you use on it

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Decimator
Uncanny Skullcrusher
Uncanny Thrust for the funny fold shovel

Then there's the off pick

Trauma Skullcrusher

Which is for meme reasons

[mental cloud]

That’s what I rolled on the shovel during leveling funny enough.

[umbral parrot]

This is a dream scenario! Specialists are your main goal if you're playing a vet. Lol

[sleek garden]

The typical brown autogun user (me)

executor stance is too good

[trim steppe]

which one is brown

[dry cloak]

But ifantry vigilant or braced

[sleek garden]

infantry autogun

its called columnus now

[dry cloak]

Based man you are

[trim steppe]

oh, the old graia

[sleek garden]

yeah

[dry cloak]

Have you tried agripina with exec stance?

[keen wharf]

This actually kinda killed me a little bit.

[sleek garden]

yes, this is actually my old agripinaa i turned into graia

[dry cloak]

Cool

[sleek garden]

i like the agripinaa too but i feel the columnus is a teeny bit more flexible at the cost of cleaving through targets

with marksmans focus and sniper i can one shot shooters at range and burst fire on specialists

stuff like maulers and crushers and bulwarks i left to my team

[dry cloak]

It pierces flak shooters

[sleek garden]

yes it does

i like the agripinaa for that

but, the columnus has the rag tied on the back so it looks cool and wins

[dry cloak]

No. graia pierces flak shooters but not the dreg ones

Ag pieces both. Vraks pierces non of those

[sleek garden]

i like the vraks for the extreme headshot damage

feels good to blow away a bulwark in 3 hits

with enough crits it'll break down a crusher or mauler to the head

[dry cloak]

I mean vraks mk5

[sleek garden]

oh they changed the names again

i forgot

[dry cloak]

I dont get the cult behind vraks mk5

[sleek garden]

magister they use it with rending talents on vet

it fires really fast so it stacks rending with certain talents and blessings

[trim steppe]

It's fire rate, tight spread, and high finesse mean its basically unparalleled in terms of rapidly picking off priority targets

out of the autoguns

[sleek garden]

picking off id say is a stretch

its more like for mowing through a horde to hit the trapper rushing you

[dry cloak]

No pierce. revolver better

[trim steppe]

not like sniping, but anything closer than long range dies very quickly

[sleek garden]

yeah

[slow spade]

Vraks mk5 with 100 cleave when?

[sleek garden]

i like my weapons with a bit more range

thats all

i like the blue infantry lasgun

[slow spade]

ok Scab Sniper

[sleek garden]

if only i could get that cloak he has

[slow spade]

:p

[tame lodge]

Best I can do is 1.8

[slow spade]

brb dming Fatshark to buff Vraks mk5 and nerf Recon again

[dry cloak]

I like my guns having over a 100dmg in stats to agrip wins this contest in my book

[sleek garden]

understandable

but 97 damage

oh i need to upgrade it when i get back on later

[slow spade]

not 101 damage

shit gun

report to Hadron for immediate scraping

[dry cloak]

Also chris if you want some stupid fun. Try graia braced with wep specialist

[sleek garden]

i actually do have a loadout like that

[slow spade]

you should put Deadshot on Graia

sponsored by Nurgle

[sleek garden]

is the grai braced the one that fires faster braced

[slow spade]

I believe so

[dry cloak]

Yep

[sleek garden]

might not be a bad idea, i use marksmans focus with the node that gives me toughness boost and stamina back on headshot

on ym columnus i mean

[sleek garden]

i do this with either terrfying barrage or the one that makes me unhittable on kill in close range

for the blessing

[dry cloak]

I have build on zealot that allows me to be a.10 warthog

[sleek garden]

I try to use the shredder autopistol on zealot

[faint beacon]

Uncanny + Skullcrusher/Deci

[sleek garden]

I use hammerblow and Skullcrusher

I like throwing ragers away like garbage

poke+heavy knocks a dreg ragers on his side

[timid basalt]

been playing my relatively neglected Vet more, having fun with more melee focused builds. Mastered Pistol, really enjoyed the high mobility and ability to quicksnipe specials & gunners. Was giving bolter a shot, fun but a bit too slow for me

Any reccs for other guns that are good for quick ish snipes but not too cumbersome? I mostly played Ogryn so I don't particularly know what any of these 3000 lasguns and autoguns are or do

[dry cloak]

Revolver is a obviuos choice

Then lasguns

[timid basalt]

Yep I did the revolver and really enjoyed that

what lasgun do you recommend? I'll play around with them but a general recommended starting point helps

[dry cloak]

The blue ifantry one

If its to in accurate move to the gree one

[trim steppe]

plasma is pretty good at pocket sniping too honestly, 1-2 taps pretty much everything and doesnt take too long to draw

bolt pistol might also be a good choice

[faint beacon]

If you’re looking for more quick deploys on a lot of your weapons pick up the one motion talent that shit is genuinely a game changer on some of the weapons

Most notably Bolter and Helbore

Personally I’m more of a Headhunter Auto (Vigilant) Rifle user cause I like having a surplus of ammo also easily taking down any special cause I click on heads

[frank basin]

Need faster swap speed like have a perk with it.

[full kettle]

Okay, best weapon for crowd control. I'm trying to do a challenge where i get through a level without taking melee damage.

any suggestions

[hidden linden]

Hey, what would you prefer for a Boltgin build if knife didn't exist? Ch sword, Shovel or Power Sword?

[austere mica]

I wouldn’t run knife with bolter in the first place, no sustainable CC

Devils claw and shovel work well as the bolter covers their carapace deficiency

[hidden linden]

Gotcha, thank you!

[tall torrent]

It’s not a weapon dependent penance, you just have to understand how toughness, dodge and block interact

Ideally any weapon that can quickly kill horde is fine for it

[full kettle]

hm

[austere mica]

I think I got it accidentally while running standard shovel pre carnival

[tall torrent]

Any melee that can horde clear fast and doesn’t cost more than 5 talent points to perform well

Boltgun is best with exe stance

[idle swallow]

munitorum shovel is a true workhorse crowd clear melee and I adore it

I may also be slightly biased towards the shovels in general

[hollow phoenix]

How good is power sword at horde clearing?

[tall torrent]

Very good

It’s Rashad lite so it can’t be bad

[faint beacon]

You’d be surprised but Heavy Sword is also insane as a back up seeing it covers your trash mobs as well as ragers and mutants

Literally aim head level and cleave through stupid amounts of walkers

[hidden linden]

I'll try it out, thanks!

[faint beacon]

Try out the Mk IX

Literally it’s combo is L + H -> Heavy Spam

[austere mica]

I hate mk9

(I just dislike block cancel singletarget)

[faint beacon]

You not know about the Special + H1?

[austere mica]

I do but I hate it

[faint beacon]

Better than just block canceling

[austere mica]

Mk7 is just so much more fluid

[faint beacon]

Idk I just prefer fluid swords

9-7 feel like that to me

Even though it’s like a sin to use lights on HSs

I’ll use them for staggering groaners to lead into heavies

[austere mica]

Is it?

Light-> Heavy on hs7 works fine

[faint beacon]

Its a “why do it when you can just kill them” scenario

I literally just do it when there’s a massive surplus mid swings at me

[tall torrent]

I like HS7 more than HS9

[faint beacon]

Like 4+ groaners all swing at me

[tall torrent]

I just prefer having double strikedown heavy

Mk9’s single target is noticeably worse than 6 & 7

Because u have to BC/SP to loop H1

It’s just more awkward

[red fox]

I just need to vent

holy shit wtf is with my heresy players tonight

[slow spade]

??? got to get the rescue 1000 players penance somehow ;)

[red fox]

jesus christ

[woven oak]

They're heretics. That's the name of the difficulty

[red fox]

4 games back to back of just absolute mongoloids

the one i just failed

[austere mica]

Heresy players are always a travesty

[woven oak]

Are people from Mongolia worse at games? I do not understand

[red fox]

the ogryn thought it was a good idea to run away from me across the map to rescue someone while being swramed by crushers and a spawn

what in the fuck was the thought proces there

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

I’ve gained this mindset

[red fox]

I've had such clean heresy games the other day so i was like oh maybe this is the curve where people start being really cohesi-NOPE

[austere mica]

Heresy is the hardest difficulty

[tall torrent]

Why not just go damnation

[daring sage]

Not that it gets better on damnation

[faint beacon]

Damnation can be similar

[red fox]

i've only hit 30 last week and started winning all my malice games, and dipping my toes into heresy

[tall torrent]

Damnation is same experience but more rewards

If ur gonna suffer with randoms at least get urself paid more yk

[woven oak]

All difficulties are kinda spotty right now since so many people are coming back to the game.

Before the update I won almost every HISTG game, now it's maybe 50%.

[red fox]

i gotta stop for the night, i'm gonna have an anxiety attack

[tall torrent]

What region are u in

[woven oak]

And it's only sometimes my fault that we lose. Like, I dodged into scenery the other day and ate a crusher overhead. Team fell apart trying to get me up

[red fox]

If me on a bolter vet can clear the horde and specials, why are my zealots and ogryns dyin

and im shit

[red fox]

asia, the land of no communication

[supple stag]

Ouch

[red fox]

i know im comingoff shitty im just venting lmao, i'm still new to the game too but why does it feel like my heresy playres wouldn't even survive on Malice

[frank ether]

the engoodening of exe stan

[red fox]

my last game, legitimately not a single person was able to avoid the mutant charge

[sleek garden]

I like the blue but it's not got going to one shot some specialists without crits

[pseudo fiber]

because they wouldn't lmao

[red fox]

point blank shooting poxbursters

a beast of nurgle spawned and 2 teammates are on the other side of the map picking plasteel

[sleek garden]

beast of glaggle...

[daring sage]

The worst is when they just die to a basic horde over and over

[red fox]

actually though

[daring sage]

Like i get hit by dumb stuff too that is fine but if you die to a horde like 4 times in 10 minutes

[red fox]

like tbf i'm still tryign to improve my melee a lot more but i've been getting the hang of dodge sliding, pushing if i get stuck etc

[tall torrent]

Because they wouldn’t

[red fox]

but if my shitty melee can horde clear and i have time to pick off snipers and gunners in the distance what in the f are they doin'

[tall torrent]

New players like to pick higher difficulty than their own skill level

And expect to get carried

[red fox]

Everytime i've tied to a horde i've absolutely felt like it's my fault cuz the game gives you SO much to avoid damage

[red fox]

i honestly felt like they must be kinda newish to the game or they grinded to 30 on uprising or something

[tall torrent]

I should also mention that the absolute fastest way to improve as a new player in this game is to run duo private

[red fox]

oh?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[red fox]

Whys that

just having to carry i guess

[tall torrent]

Because u will get split up from coherency eventually and this results in extra specialist spawns (against the out-of-coherency player)

And bots will die

So it’s like 2 people playing solo but they can group up

You’re put into more clutch situations against increased specialist spawns

And even if u die, u can spectate the other person trying to clutch, so it’s still good learning experience

[red fox]

Sounds pretty fun ye

just so frustrating eralier to see the bumblefucks all over the map

like what are you doing

[tall torrent]

Even if you’re bad at this game, spectating someone else doing things right is useful for learning

[daring sage]

I learned a lot from carrying people with my ogryn and zealot on damnation but i find it harder with the psyker and vet

[red fox]

yea it took watching a vet not take any damage and be able to keep clearing wave after wave that i realised i needed to really learn the melee

(and now it's making me level a zealot on the side)

[tall torrent]

Learn melee on vet & psyker

[red fox]

i actually really enjoy the mlee

kinda wanna move from powersword to heavy

[tall torrent]

Veteran has the highest consistent melee damage out of the 4 classes

But veteran also has the worst melee-related attributes

[daring sage]

I just smack people with the shovel

[red fox]

how do i carry heresy harder 💀 is it possible

[tall torrent]

U get good enough that you can fight everything by yourself alone

[pseudo fiber]

You carry heresy by being good enough you can play damnation and leaving

[tall torrent]

Also depends on ur build