veteran-class

[torpid comet]

when i do get in melee i just bonk em with my reshad

will generally 1 or 2 shot anything thats smaller than a carapace ogryn

[restive rock]

It’s worth getting good at melee

[trim steppe]

No judgement, but you're probably at your limit for what you can play without practicing your melee game. Even if you never block, having no stamina to push and dog or a burster when its coming at you cuz you pissed all your stam away on deadshot isnt a good place to be

[idle pecan]

LETS GOOOOO

perfect IAG

victory royale or some shit idk

[torpid comet]

isnt it supposed to be Stab at 80 and mobil at 60?

[idle pecan]

depends on playstyle tbh

stab on iag doesnt particularly matter since they dont have much recoil

(just pull down 4head)

[trim steppe]

I'd dump mobility or ammo before stability but to each their own, grats on your new murder machine

[fading yarrow]

Just finished empowering my Plasma Gun
I can fire nine uncharged shots before I have to cooldown

[torpid comet]

nice

[frank ether]

very much so but I'd still use both on some weapons

[idle pecan]

what is better, the spearhead boltgun or the bolt pistol

ive been wanting to try them since they're good now

[torpid comet]

i prefer the bistol

[frank ether]

do you want weapon swap tech or magdump tech

[trim steppe]

they are different, both are good

[idle pecan]

uhhh

[fading yarrow]

Depends on what you want
Both are good at different things

Boltgun for bosses and horde clear, bistol for single target

[strange crow]

Which weapons need both?

[torpid comet]

i dont really use helbores whats the dump stat?

[trim steppe]

stability

[idle pecan]

stab/ammo

but usually stab

[frank ether]

I'd juice some weapons with both like revolvers, shotguns, boltp

[strange crow]

Oh valid

[frank ether]

you dont really need executioner but its a choice

[torpid comet]

sobs my exalted Helbore is reversed.. 60 charge with 80 stab

[idle pecan]

are ILGs good? forgot i had this

[trim steppe]

rip

[trim steppe]

yes they are, nice roll

[frank ether]

is it the fast one

[strange crow]

Green one is best iirc

[torpid comet]

yeah i quite dislike the other 2 version

[frank ether]

unless its the slow firing hellbore it won't make or break the gun, but its something to look for on your next roll

[idle pecan]

is this (basically) perfect

[fiery moss]

What's the best blessings for sapper shovel?

[glad temple]

Best blessing for power sword? I'm running power cycle and wrath currently

[frank ledge]

Slow firing helbores are great to make into meme bayonet

[idle pecan]

the 4% in stability taken from ammo dont really matter do they?

[idle pecan]

PC4 and BM

[trim steppe]

collateral is the dump stat on recons believe it or not, followed by mobility

[idle pecan]

Is stability needed or smth?

[trim steppe]

it helps a lot

[idle pecan]

ah ok

[trim steppe]

well, not a lot, but it helps

[idle pecan]

found this, is it worth upgrading?

[torpid comet]

yeah

[idle pecan]

1% reload speed and collateral

[torpid comet]

its near perfect

[idle pecan]

does that even matter

any BPs that it wont meet

[trim steppe]

Yup good one

[torpid comet]

unless ur ocd like me

[indigo edge]

If I made an all in grenade build with all the grenade upgrades (grenade tinkering, field improvisation, twinned blast, demolition team), would I be better off with frag or krak grenades?

Both are good, I'm thinking maybe frag since they're more generally usable and I'm gonna be throwing them out constantly. But then again when krak grenades come in clutch they're awesome.

[torpid comet]

krak prob

[trim steppe]

naw its fine, some people (like me) just get ocd about nice clean 80s

[idle pecan]

got this too

are fire shotguns viable

was thinking of running a Flechette/manstopper with fire bullets

[trim steppe]

I would use shredder frags with a nade build. Consider running bolt pistol with the Lethal Proximity blessing as it applies to your nades, its a bit silly

[trim steppe]

Baller. I havent built a shotty in a while so idk but its a perfect roll

[crude fiber]

this with weapon specialist is great fun

[indigo edge]

Really? That's pretty funny. I was thinking plasma to fit a sort of grenadier asthetic but I might have to go for that.

[idle pecan]

whats a good melee to pair with the shotgun?

PS6?

[torpid comet]

anyone mind pming me some good shotgun builds? never actually gave shotty a chance

[frank ledge]

Power sword is Boring

Add in a shock maul

[idle pecan]

i LOVE the shock maul

its currently my goto melee

[fiery moss]

I can't seem to crowd clear with the shock maul

[crude fiber]

since your (hopefully) using weapon specialist you can make any melee work. i actually like using a tac ax on that build

[idle pecan]

light 1 heavy 1 alternating

[frank ledge]

I'm on an arbiters cosplay so I can't run anything but shockmaul

[idle pecan]

use altfire for bulwarks and Crushers

profit

stunning bullwarks thru their shields is my main reason i love the shock maul so much

[trim steppe]

Yeah give it a go at least. And bistol can deal with crushers which is about the only thing your shredders cant kill. dropping 2 shredders in a mixed horde with your huge radius will kill the whole screen in like 5 seconds

[idle pecan]

mmmm.... 🅱️ istol

[crude fiber]

could also use an uncanny blessing weapon to kill elites with that build

[idle pecan]

what shotgun mark has fire bullets again

accatran, agripinaa or zarona

[trim steppe]

uhhh I think accatran (they renamed them so i cant remember for sure)

it used to be the kantrael

[idle pecan]

MK IX?

[glacial yacht]

what should i dump stat on plasma gun?

[trim steppe]

idfk they renamed em, havent played the shotty since then

[trim steppe]

short answer, charge rate. Long answer, half charge rate half thermal res

You want 69%+ TR and the rest into CR

[idle pecan]

just pulled 2 more godroll shotguns wtf

like, back to back

[glacial yacht]

thank ya

[trim steppe]

the new patch makes it somewhat trivial tbh. Most weapons skew towards an 80/80/80/80/60 roll. The hard part is just having enough plasteel to empower them up and consecrate them lol, its like 5-6k plasteel now

[idle pecan]

BEHOLD the "perfectly average" shock maul

[trim steppe]

But then its a forever gun so theres that

[idle pecan]

at least its visual progress instead of "lets go gambling!"

[trim steppe]

Oh, its so so so much better in every way

[idle pecan]

rather spend 6-8k plasteel on a guaranteed gun then blow 20k and not even get it once

i personally am really lucky and pulled a basically perfect CIAGV in like 50 hours of playing

[trim steppe]

I spent 150k plasteel on patch day but I have at least 1 of every weapon on every class now

[idle pecan]

god that gun was so overpowered

[glacial yacht]

im guessing gets hot and rising heat are bis?

[idle pecan]

columnus got giga nerfed now, vraks is best

friendship ended with columnus, new friend is vraks

[trim steppe]

Yessir. You could also sub rising heat for gloryhunter if you run exec stance, it helps with your sustain

[tall torrent]

No

[radiant chasm]

Blaze away rising heat is what i use

[tall torrent]

Columnus V just got renamed to Vraks V

[trim steppe]

viag-ra

[radiant chasm]

Vraks is the columnus lol

[idle pecan]

OH

ok

[radiant chasm]

The current columnus is the old graia lol

[idle pecan]

vrakumnus

I lowkey wanna try the funny fast firerate braced graia build

[regal smelt]

it is basically a worse columnus vraks infantry, but it feels more like you're firing a machine gun when there's a bunch of gunners in your executioners stance

[dry cloak]

On vet or on zealot

Because i know how to make both

And zealot one is funnier

[regal smelt]

zealot having better access to rate of fire buffs than vet :(

[dry cloak]

Yes

Also i dont like columnus/vraks mk5. I think agripinna iag is better

[regal smelt]

headshot damage aint enough to justify lower mag imo, especially when the other inf auto does the same damage to other body parts but with way more ammo

[dry cloak]

Pierce

[regal smelt]

yeah that other auto has the same pierce too I'm pretty sure

not the vraks though

[dry cloak]

Graia/columnus does not i tested it

[regal smelt]

it do, it's able to shoot through a regular shooter

[dry cloak]

No? When i was testing it it didnt go through dreg shooter but through the thrash mobs

Well gonna check it again after i get home

Also vraks/columnus vigilant rifle should have higher fire rate

Imo

[regal smelt]

true, it feels just right with inexorable judgement

[dry cloak]

Agripina vigilabt has higher firerate

[dry cloak]

It fucks up when you do marksman build on vet and it staggers shooters so much u miss 2 shots from burst

Thats why i prefer the agripinna headhunter/vigilant

[queen elk]

I can't stand burst fire guns. I don't want the gun telling me when I get to shoot and how many rounds.

[regal smelt]

Ok, goes through scab shooters, not dreg shooters

while the agri goes through dreg shooters too

[dry cloak]

Fair. didnt test that.

[queen elk]

Vigilant is the old Columnus V?

[regal smelt]

I thought it did in the first place because why the fuck does unarmored have better stopping power than flak armor lol

[dry cloak]

Vraks v is the old columnus

[dry cloak]

Papa nurgle protects

[queen elk]

Ah, that makes more sense. Haven't had time to look at things much since the patch.

[dry cloak]

Go to the patch notes and look at name changes

For me the agripinna and graia/columnus VIII have better feeling while shooting.

And vraks v shoots to fast for my taste

[tall torrent]

No

[regal smelt]

we figured this out already lol

[dry cloak]

Agripinna goes through all shooters. graia/columnus through flak shooters. Vraks/colmunus does not have pierce

[tall torrent]

Not exactly

Agripinaa I has 2.1 cleave
Vraks V has 1.15 cleave
Columnus VIII has 1.5 cleave

[fiery moss]

Anyone have tips on doing the On Overwatch and Make Every Shot Count penances?

[tall torrent]

Bring DB shotgun
Learn blocking, dodging & managing toughness

Can run infiltrate if u want

VoC also good

[fiery moss]

"without taking any melee damage" means without taking health damage?

[tall torrent]

U can take toughness damage

[fiery moss]

oh that makes it so much easier

[tall torrent]

As long as ur getting hit at 100% toughness

[fiery moss]

Sweet. And sapper shovel - decimator and thrust? or thrust and all or nothing?

[tall torrent]

Depends on which shovel

[fiery moss]

I have no idea which to use lol

[deft crystal]

is hp dmg inevitable?

[tall torrent]

Against what

[tall torrent]

1 / 7

[deft crystal]

eeverything

[tall torrent]

No, u can get through missions taking no health damage

[deft crystal]

Some hits go throughh toughhness

[tall torrent]

Regular melee attacks don’t deal health damage if you’re at full toughness

[deft crystal]

ohhh

thhat makees sense

my misunderstanding of toughness is clear

[regal smelt]

that penance was fun when having full toughness didnt stop melee dmg to hp lol

[dry cloak]

I was helping a friend do that. Being a taunt ogryn helped him much

[regal smelt]

also taking half an hp point of damage and the penance not counting still sucks

fatshark and their damn invisible decimals

[grand perch]

Remember when dog pounces inflicted 1 point of corruption damage to everyone nearby, even through full toughness, invalidating that penance?

[pseudo fiber]

Toughness isn't a shield it's a damage reduction
At 100% toughness you have 100% melee health damage reduction
At 90% toughness you have a 90% reduction (so some melee damage will bleed into your health)
Etc etc

[woven oak]

The biggest threat to the no-damage penance is poxwalkers spawning behind you. Nothing personnel, kid.

[deft crystal]

penance isnt hard

[woven oak]

I know.

[deft crystal]

alr did it

I just wasnt sure on toughh

mechanics

[woven oak]

Fair. I got the penance without chasing it when leveling my first vet. It feels a lot easier to avoid damage in Darktide than in Vermintide.

[deft crystal]

Also depends on when u did

iit

sound ques glitchiingg out

was a major problem

[woven oak]

Oh, probably a year ago. I can't even remember when

[deft crystal]

Trappers sometime wouldnt make a sound

[woven oak]

Yeah, silent bursters and silent crushers were fun.

[deft crystal]

SILENT CRRUSHER

OMFG

fatshark

[woven oak]

They were tiptoeing

[split grove]

I need a horde clear weapon that can make me forget about the rashad

[fiery moss]

How does TDR factor into this?

[deft crystal]

trying to do auric storm surviivor is hard

[fiery moss]

Does that mean that +5% TDR means that at 90% toughness you block 95% damage?

[deft crystal]

power sword

[woven oak]

Amount of toughness lost to an attack, I believe

[split grove]

Not that one

[deft crystal]

shovel

[split grove]

Which version

[deft crystal]

mark 3

siingle target and cc

[split grove]

Hows the horde clear

[deft crystal]

good if u know movement

semi circles

[split grove]

M1 spam for horde

[deft crystal]

yes

[split grove]

Special heavy for big

[deft crystal]

and shove

mhhm

[split grove]

Ok sure i try it

[deft crystal]

or the knife

if u have a weapon for big boys

[split grove]

Flakiac and thrust decimator?

[woven oak]

It's damage reduction to toughness. So if an attack would do 100 toughness damage, 5% reduction means it does 95 instead. Or so says Google.

[deft crystal]

Decimator
carapace
unyielding

[split grove]

Thrust deci cara unyield ok

Dumpstat mobile

[deft crystal]

maybe

MAYBE

skullcrushher

would go with decimator

[split grove]

Over what?

[grand perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1292018315991973929/00rb1fg8bxzb1.webp?ex=670a1e53&is=6708ccd3&hm=3c79860cac4b3f9053980c5a8dc69b44250a3f691ba1e288bd9c28d3441dae92&

Hence, this

[deft crystal]

thats what I run

[split grove]

Dont need thrust for breakpoints?

[deft crystal]

LMFAO

[deft crystal]

its gonna take multiplee hits

and u ggotta swiing fast

so charge ttime slows you donw

may as well stagggger with one heavy hhit

then ggain damagge with ffollow up specials

thats my thinking anyway

[fiery moss]

Silent mutant and silent hound is also amazing

[deft crystal]

im a casual meta head so i dont look to much into numbas

heck Im still learning whhat specific perrks make my build so strong

[deft crystal]

Ill show u rq

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iR87MYZUBqH3An5LF?invite=cr-MSxlZHQsMjI3MjA4Mzc2LA

not even a perfect shovel

[pseudo fiber]

Low pen as well

[deft crystal]

gotta upgrade this one

[pseudo fiber]

No thrust no uncanny

[deft crystal]

yea

shovels great

As you can tell tho

i dont use em

[pseudo fiber]

The shovels are really great

[deft crystal]

shhhhh

thhe krieg players will start to shhow

[dry cloak]

Folding shovels

[karmic moat]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-8197900

[deft crystal]

A=

BACKK

[karmic moat]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

[deft crystal]

HHumans are not a resource!!

JUST USE ARTILLERY

u do not need to chargge in with a shovel

[sharp trail]

oh yeah, why do we have human resources then?

[jaunty herald]

Are Dumdum and Fire Frenzy still the recommended blessings for Agripinaa Mk 1 infantry autogun?
edit: Got my answer from the pinned section

[deft crystal]

hear me out

melta gun

[void bison]

So the shotgun but no pellets and inf cleave?

[deft crystal]

yea

well

realistically

theyd make it an ogryn weapon 😭

[pseudo fiber]

Why?

[deft crystal]

seems morre fittiing

[void bison]

Nah. Human sized melta’s are common. Especially for guard. If anything Ogryn is the last one to get a melta since they are stupid dangerous if your hands are clumsy since the barrel gets hot.

[deft crystal]

the org

[void bison]

Luv me valhallans (and guard with jackets.)

[pseudo fiber]

I mean a melta would either be a beam weapon

Or a shotgun with a range cap

[void bison]

More likely of the 2.

[pseudo fiber]

Because in lore the melta is somehow both of those things

[verbal burrow]

Think a plasma gun that functions like an anti armor flamethrower

[void bison]

It’s a close range thermal energy blaster. Sm2 correctly portrays it. The volcano cannons are beams.

[deft crystal]

II love positioningg myself for a horde. then watchiuingg my team stand

in a bad spot

and die to a flamer

[verbal burrow]

Yeah you have to have a sense of humor to play this game without a premade team on voice chat

[void bison]

I just shoot them on sight. My priority list is disablers, bombers, flamers and da other ones. Sometimes crushers get in front of bombers but not often.

[deft crystal]

im more talkingg about them going iinto a hallway

[void bison]

Rookie mistake Ngl.

[deft crystal]

WHEN THERE IS PERFECTLY OPEN AREA

OR CHOKEPOINT

RIIGHT BEHIND

LIKE IT IS OKAY TO PRESS S SOMETIMES

[void bison]

Open areas are just so much easier to fight in. Especially if no cliff

[pseudo fiber]

I lost a match yesterday because a flamer pushed me into a pillar and bin at the perfect angle so I could vault out.
But my shotgun wasn't loaded and there were some poxwalkers in the way.

I was so mad.

My team was utter dogshit but a terrible way to lose

[void bison]

Oof. Flamer are the bane of un prepared teams. Still not sure if the fire they drop harms enemy units.

[deft crystal]

I dont eexpect perfect plays

bbut dont be stupid

[idle swallow]

That's when you engage surf maxxing and use flamer tank explosions to boost over obstacles

[void bison]

I just shootem

[deft crystal]

I love when I see flamers at the front

tankk explosion makes for good cc

[void bison]

Do flamers flames from exploding deal damage to friendly pox walkers?

[deft crystal]

NO idea

I just always assumed

[void bison]

I kinda did too but it doesn’t seem like it sometimes.

[pseudo fiber]

I think they do its just a fire barrel effect

[deft crystal]

the shovel mighht be better than rashaad

[void bison]

Take that back or the Rashad fans will attack you with their Rashad’s

The overhead swings hurt indeed

[deft crystal]

🥛 👨🏃‍♂️

[sharp trail]

plasma gun if it was an anti-tank shotgun

[placid portal]

Plasmagun if it was just fired instant 30 second microwaved products

[winter grove]

A bold lie

[final hamlet]

A solid fact

[muted prairie]

An interesting opinion

[subtle hornet]

What is Rashad?

[deft crystal]

axee

Shovel two shots crushers

Axe is 3 to 4

I didnt eeven build for melee

thats not relying on crrit chance btw

[pseudo fiber]

Axe one hits everything else?

[muted prairie]

i think rashad's strength comes from its versatility in being able to clear hordes like crazy while also being able to kill crushers pretty fast

[deft crystal]

Shovel has stronger cc

[muted prairie]

how's the shovel compared to duelling sword? haven't tested yet

[deft crystal]

never triied duelingg

[subtle hornet]

2 Questions.

1. Does shovel have Horde clear?
2. Is axe shit at it?

[winter grove]

A lie

A bold one

[deft crystal]

I just used it on a crrusher

[muted prairie]

shovel has horde control, with mediocre clear. axe with brutal momentum has perchance the strongest horde clear in the game

[subtle hornet]

Isnt Axes have shity move set?

[deft crystal]

yea

[muted prairie]

depends on the axe

[winter grove]

A live footage of rashad two shotting a crusher on a non-melee build
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1293788854159015996/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.10_-_00.13.01.07.mp4?ex=6709f7c4&is=6708a644&hm=e74c394f86c7c6adf22e4514192c75ba0e6373068b974289644ca2a9d12e9c41&

[muted prairie]

it's why most people use rashad, it's got a good moveset

[deft crystal]

tf???

[crimson pebble]

rashad is top 3 melees easily behind ds and knife

[deft crystal]

send the axe

[winter grove]

It's literally the common pick

[muted prairie]

oh i remember that axe from yesterday, it's just a +carapace otherwise normal axe

[winter grove]

80% everything except mobility

[muted prairie]

the build is taking melee nodes but not the right keystone

[tame lodge]

Listen we get it
You love shovel
But it doesn't win against the Rashad
At least not now

[crimson pebble]

someone had a clip i think of pulling off a 1 tap

[winter grove]

Probably a ps6 ngl

[crimson pebble]

no was rashad

[muted prairie]

thrust?

[winter grove]

Probably

[winter grove]

Is he really saying shovels are better than rashad just because he's a shovel fan

Yunno

The axe that oneshots bruisers

[tame lodge]

Probably I don't know

[muted prairie]

well to be fair, shovel is good and fun

[deft crystal]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iR87MYZUBqH3An5LF?invite=cr-MSw3WHYsMjI3MjA4Mzc2LA

[muted prairie]

it's got areas where it's better than rashad

i think overall i'd prefer the rashad but i can see someone with different preferences getting more mileage out of the shovel

[winter grove]

Same

Rashad still better overall

PS6 and Rashad users respectfully agreeing that everything else is shit

[deft crystal]

idk CC was much hharder when I used rashad

[winter grove]

Did you get bromentum

[deft crystal]

yea

[winter grove]

Did you get headtaker

[deft crystal]

ofc

I can show u the axe i have

[winter grove]

Did you get the +melee dmg talents

Especially desperado

[deft crystal]

p sure

but that part

iis whhere the prob

point tax

[winter grove]

Idk man I just use this and everything fucken dies by spamming lmb
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d33748e-92f9-43b2-9734-e5c271df6fb2/my-mouse-hates-me

[crimson pebble]

bit convoluted is w uncanny and brutal momentum i believe

[winter grove]

Rashad with uncanny?

Brotha ewww

[crimson pebble]

maybe idk not my clip cant tell what the thing popping up at that bottom is from my phone

prob headtaker actually

[winter grove]

That's headtaker

[winter grove]

The god damn keyboard clicking though

[muted prairie]

Wait rashad can get uncanny?

[winter grove]

Not as bad as fortnite cranking 90s but still

[winter grove]

Yeah that's what got me confused

It can't

[brisk umbra]

shovel blessings?

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher

Uncanny or Trauma (niche)

Depending on the shovel Thrust

[deft crystal]

uncanny always on shovel

Its reqquired

Skullcrrushher or decimator

OH WAIT

Flak + Maniac
Uncanny Strikes + Decimator / Skullcrusher***

Flak + Carapace
Uncanny Strikes + Thrust / Limbsplitter

Similar to the other shovel with a special attack that does high damage to armored enemies. Can use the first build from other shovel, but also has an anti-armor build:
Skullcrusher can be effective on the Mk3 for light spam instead of Decimator. Not recommended for the Mk7 heavy spam.
Carapace with Thrust or Limbsplitter can 1 shot Crushers.
Thrust: Easy to hit breakpoint, needs fully charged heavy. Can still 1 tap Rager/Mutants without Maniac by charging heavy.
Limbsplitter requires a single stack of Focus Target (Tagged enemies take extra damage) and has a cooldown but can also perform a 1 shot on Ragers and Mutants with light specials.

here

[lavish solar]

honestly just give bromentum to the shovels at this point

[tame lodge]

Right
Because bromentum is fair and balanced

[lavish solar]

exactly

[tame lodge]

[winter grove]

Uncanny decimator

Uncanny thrust if folding

[tame lodge]

If you pick decimator, just don't miss

[lavish solar]

true, also if you hit like 4 guys with a swing does that mean 4 stacks of decimator or just 1?

[hearty panther]

per swing, so just one

[craggy ridge]

Is there any Mark of the Heavy Sword thats decent on veteran, or is it a lost cause?

[pseudo fiber]

The 9 is pretty solid

[craggy ridge]

What do you run on that thingo? Is Rampage/Deathblow decent?

[pseudo fiber]

I use headtaker deathblow

[craggy ridge]

Seems solid! Thanks!

[ember basin]

the exe stance highlight for ally thingie...

does it highlight ALL elite and spec enemies?

or just you know, the one you have access to

[hearty panther]

the way it works in the script is that when you ult, your teammates have their own 'xstance' ability that also triggers, but theirs is pared down to just the highlight ability

it will only ever highlight elites and specialists as a result, it doesnt check to see if you have shooters/ogryns selected or anything

and it only works for them if theyre in coherency with you when the ability triggers

honestly dont know if you refreshing the ability on kill counts as a fresh trigger if your ally was out of coherency when you initially pressed F, but i think it does

so 40m from you (the veteran), all elites and specialists get marked

and 40m from them (teammates in coherency), all elites and specialists get marked

[earnest bone]

I like mk1 shovel horde clear with WS, in some situations its better than rashad in some it worse

[elder fiber]

objectively speaking the only thing og shovel has over rashad is a special that's worth using

but it also has Funny bonk noise so

[tame lodge]

You can fumble ragers push attack
And everything else with heavy to the face on the Rashad

Like

Want CC? The Rashad has it

Like

Brutal Momentum is what really carries it

[steady edge]

Agripinaa shotgun, yay or nay

[tame lodge]

Yay

Just remember to ads and aim for the head

Funny minimum pellet mechanic

[supple stag]

Agripinaa shotgun is awesome

Head goes pop

[stoic thorn]

Plasma ftw

[frank ether]

It can be made to one shot

is it worth doing that is another question

[strange crow]

Still pissed my godroll got un-godrolled by Hadron 🤮

[barren tiger]

Ooos wrong clsss channel

Ima delete those

[slow spade]

Oh I thought I was going insane lol

"Wait what penance???"

[barren tiger]

Sorry lmfao

I’m a veteran player at heart, but branching out to try the other class’ updates… so I was defaulted to this channel when I asked about a zealot penance hahaha 😂

[slow spade]

:p no problem

I'm a Vet main too

I only know enough about the other classes to properly insult them

[uncut pebble]

[hollow bane]

what melee weapon do you usually use?

[brisk umbra]

Sweet lord what's up with absolutely abysmal level of players in auric lately?

[strange quail]

anyone know a good bolt pistol vet build?

or skill tree setup

[slow spade]

Rashad Combat Axe recently, but Power Sword since I hit lvl 15 on release

[hollow bane]

you not tried rapier?

[slow spade]

I'm only using rashad until they fix powered weapons

[slow spade]

No

No plans to either

Funny big damage but not that useful

[terse idol]

Good for poking down crushers

Not good for horde clear

[slow spade]

Its honestly rather redundant with how many vet weapons already 1-3 kill crushers

[hollow bane]

whats wrong with powered weapons? you mean the slowdown on mk3?

[slow spade]

I wonder what the logic was

[slow spade]

They disable when hit + duration doesn't refresh when re-energizing

Rashad is much better now

For now...

[hollow bane]

was it changed much from like a year ago?

[stoic thorn]

Me when the daemonhost

Instantaneous death

For me

[slow spade]

Notable buffs like Heavy attacks got like +40% damage vs Maniac

But still as strong as before

Just one of its competitors got kneecapped by Fatshark

[frank monolith]

its also easier to build now no more rng

[stoic thorn]

The warp beats plasma this time

[woven oak]

Hm. My Rashad is 6 damage shy of killing dreg bruisers in one hit

[stoic thorn]

I view the voice of Command ability as the heresy meter

Or the racism meter

[slow spade]

Agile Engagement Rashad for +35% melee damage 😎

If that doesn't let you one shot, you're cooked

[earnest bone]

Try 5% damage aura

[woven oak]

Already have it

And all the melee damage boosts, and desperado. If any of my conditional stuff pops, then I can one-bop them, but otherwise I'm just barely shy

I could put flak on the axe instead of maniac

[stoic thorn]

Or the racism meter

[slow spade]

Oh

Put Unarmored on your Rashad

That'll cover you

[woven oak]

That's scab, not dreg

I have agile engagement and +unarmored/+maniac

Dreg have a flak hat

I massacre scab bruisers

[slow spade]

Ah I suppose you could get the +30% weakspot damage

[woven oak]

Have that, too

Ha

[slow spade]

Lol time to grasp at straws

Focus Target + team damage buff?

[woven oak]

I have agile engagement on this build b/c I use a revolver

[slow spade]

Ah

[woven oak]

Putting flak on would get me over, but I think that's about it

[slow spade]

Then yeah idk flak I suppose

Idk any other easy damage nodes

[novel stone]

Are full bore and deathspitter the best blessings for the Double barrel SG?

[woven oak]

Man-stopper and scattershot

[novel stone]

Sorry

Gay discord emotes

[novel stone]

So the opposite lmao thank you

[woven oak]

Man-stopper is unlimited cleave on crit, and scattershot is +60% crit chance if you hit 5 enemies in a shot

[novel stone]

I was thinking both of those too I just figured the others might be better

Carapace and elite?

[woven oak]

My build w/ the DB is crit-fishing to clear hallways

I use flak/maniac. I don't think the DB does much to carapace to begin with, so +carapace isn't going to add much

[novel stone]

Alrighty

[woven oak]

Yeah, a double-barrelled crit without carapace on my build does 949 damage to a crusher

Use a melee weapon that can handle carapace

[strange crow]

Wait sorry kinda random but does anyone have the base crit chance for each weapon?

[woven oak]

+elite is probably fine. I like maniac for clearing rager swarms

[frank monolith]

pin comment has them i believe 👀

[woven oak]

It does. Every weapon is 5% crit base, a few add +5% on top of that

[strange crow]

Ik @tall torrent has it in his new guide but the pinned one still seems to have the older version without it from waht I can see

[woven oak]

It's in there. Each weapon has a +X crit chance thing

[strange crow]

All I see is this stuff (still very helpful but obv not the new version)

Oh wait its bc I downloaded it rather than clicking the link

Sorry guys

[stoic thorn]

I have no clue how much damage my plasma gun actually does

All I know is that I 2 shot elites

[woven oak]

10 and <10,000

[stoic thorn]

And my racism scream maxes out my toughness and sends everyone flying

I miss my accurate shot ability

[jade aurora]

hi im new to verteran

which power sword is better?

[woven oak]

VI

You can block-cancel the energize and the push-attack does bonkers single-target damage

[slow spade]

It also has a built-in -25% block cost

Its strictly better

[woven oak]

I did not know that

[slow spade]

Yeah idk why it does but hey free stats

[jade aurora]

oh wow thanks for letting me know

i wasnt aware of those 2 things

[slow spade]

Oh btw power sword is weird

Light and Heavy energized attacks do the SAME damage

So there's almost no reason to use heavies

[woven oak]

That is dumb

[slow spade]

Yeah...

At least it makes the choice easy

[woven oak]

The breakpoint calculator shows the heavy as doing a little more damage

[slow spade]

If it does, its such a negligible amount that it's irrelevant

[slow spade]

That's more than the last tests done on it

Last time it was tested, it was such a small amount that it didn't affect breakpoints

I wonder when it changed 🤔

[woven oak]

I've not tested it myself, so I can't say for certain. I'm just going off the calculator. But I still 2-shot crushers with PA > L1, so it doesn't matter

[slow spade]

Indeed

Still though, lights > heavies regardless

Funny powered weapon bug

[woven oak]

Yeah, no specials or regular elites survive 2 energized lights. Nothing short of a boss survives PA > L1

Just no reason to slow down and use heavies

[tawdry jackal]

Mark 3 horde clear I think? That might be the only one

[stoic thorn]

Heavy power sword hits do nothing?

Damn

[slow spade]

Mk6 lights are horizontal swings too

L1 L2 are at least

[slow spade]

Yeah its a weird quirk about power swords that occurred around Patch 14

[stray nebula]

What blessings do people like to use for the bolt gun these days?

[slow spade]

I use Surgical + Pinning Fire

1-2 shot kill non-Ogryns c:

[ocean idol]

What is best recon las?

[tawdry jackal]

True but like you can slide and power up the mk3. Some steam guide says the mk3 heavy can cleave 10 dudes at once. Idk

[tawdry jackal]

I like this but I also like to cavalcade/pinning fire it up. Empty into crushers and neutralize/maim a pack

Maybe I should go flak/carapace on the perks, normally do flak/maniac or flak unyielding for bosses

[slow spade]

The problem is the Mk6 can do all that too with -25% block cost and it can animation cancel its charging

[tawdry jackal]

I mean this is far more appealing

[slow spade]

Its just strictly better for some weird reason

[tawdry jackal]

The more you learn

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3086754561

This and the ranged version of this was my go to for shit

And ofc the word doc hammer of the emperor

[slow spade]

Yeah the Mk6 can block while charging but the mk3 can't

[tawdry jackal]

Nice

That’s fucking lit and will be my pro choice on vet when I can get it leveled again

Doing psyker rn but will perfect a boltgunner/power sword build again

[slow spade]

Good luck c: hopefully they unfuck powered weapons next fix

[tawdry jackal]

I do wanna give chain axes a go

Not sure which one to use

Cause I rely on melee horde clear

[slow spade]

Idk chainaxes too well as I use melee for hordeclear

[woven oak]

Can with VI, too

[elder fiber]

they both work, if you're running mk4 you might want stam regen of some kind since it uses push attack as part of horde clear combo

[tawdry jackal]

Usually run the 13

Cause blend blend blend light attacks

Oh

Sword reference

[elder fiber]

yeah I like the 13, its a comfy weapon

[tawdry jackal]

Not axe

[elder fiber]

oops

[tawdry jackal]

Still trying to figure out axes but ya very comfy with the chain sword mk13

[elder fiber]

Yeah I meant chaxes

[earnest bone]

axe is 12

[elder fiber]

yeah that one is just lights for horde clear

[woven oak]

Chainaxe XII feels more like a club than a chainsaw to me. Doesn't hit my doomslayer fantasy

[tawdry jackal]

I also don’t hear the axe rev, like I don’t mean autorev

I mean the chain sword sounds like a chain sword that revs up when swinging

The axe doesn’t unless it’s the autorev attack or manual rev

It fucks with me cause of that

[ocean idol]

Which chainsword you find better?

alsow what blessings?

[earnest bone]

4 if you run 0% atk spd bonuses, 13 if you go for 10% + WS
stuff in the pins

[ocean idol]

Is there any reason to use any other recon b utt 14?

[woven oak]

If you like others more. Fun > minmax

And tbh you can easily clear Auric with any weapon

[ocean idol]

I am interested in effecitveness here

I do like it the most

always did

[woven oak]

I've never used a lasgun in this game, so I am honestly not a good resource.

Energy weapons in any game don't appeal to me. Fallout is another big example. I need black power and explosions.

[gritty furnace]

Aight vets
Pick it apart cause I gotta know what am I wasting

Shotguns still WIP from mastery

[frank monolith]

if your using rashad you can probably get away with this

[tall torrent]

U don’t need serrated blade or onslaught for Tac axe

[frank monolith]

also make sure your db has these blessings

[tall torrent]

Get reciprocity

Skirmisher is also just bad, don’t ever use it

[frank monolith]

||not really sure if this is important but in a horde of mutants modifier, you can one shot a bunch of them when they run at you at a line if you crit||

[gritty furnace]

onslaught not work with it or smthin?

[tall torrent]

Onslaught works well with 2 guns and that’s it

[gritty furnace]

but not a tac axe?

[woven oak]

Out of curiosity, why does the guide rank Reciprocity lower than CQK, but most builds take it instead?

[gritty furnace]

I mean on ability use it's good in a pinch I guess

[ocean idol]

why are you commen ting at all...

[woven oak]

Why not?

[faint beacon]

I’m used to the old names is it the heavy medium or light variant

[stray nebula]

Which attack combos should I use on a combat blade mk VI for hordes and single target?

[faint beacon]

H1 + H2 + L (2x)

Or if you’re stubborn like me

Spam heavies

[gritty furnace]

How does scatter shot work when I'm doing a weapon specialist build?

[frank monolith]

hordes you can cycle between heavy pa loop or pa heavy loop, bosses pa loop until no stam then you can go pa heavy loop 👀

[woven oak]

The scattershot count is saved even if you swap to melee

[frank monolith]

scatter shot gives you 12% crit rate for each enemy hit in the bullet spread, just shoot at alot of enemies or something you want dead, weapon spec just gives you 33% crit chance for every melee kill and always prepared will gives you 1 bullet when you swap back. Idealy you will have max stacks of scatter shot (60%) and melee kill for 33% and 5% for the gun and you can pretty much crit nearly 100% of the time 👀

[gritty furnace]

This pleases me

[woven oak]

It's silly that weapon spec gives 330% crit chance at 10 melee kills. If only we had Warframe's red crits

[stray stream]

Ok, criticize it. Its with accatran infernus+headhunter and knife

Consider it is niche ofc

[gritty furnace]

That's hawt

[ocean idol]

the one with slowest fire rate

[tame lodge]

Pretty solid
I would not run Determined though

[ocean idol]

because i asked specific question

[tame lodge]

Getting suppressed? Just shoot back

[tall torrent]

Oh, haven’t changed that, my bad

[stray stream]

I saw in the pinned guide that it was pretty mandatory when using accatran. So you don’t lose accuracy

[tall torrent]

Good catch

[tame lodge]

I don't remember the consensus of overwatch though

[tame lodge]

I guess it's for the sake of efficiency then

[faint beacon]

Light and Heavy I can see the argument

[misty delta]

there's no way it caps at 5% LMAO

[faint beacon]

For what weapon

[misty delta]

heavy laspistol

[faint beacon]

Laspistol?

Yeah the other Crit chance one is better

[stoic thorn]

Mmmm plasma

I live breathe and shoot plasma

Kasrkin? Plasma

I eagerly await a plasma pistol

[stray stream]

That would be sick

[stoic thorn]

We've killed enough traitor generals and farmed their plasma pistols

Plus if our gear is just looted off battlefields

[tall torrent]

That’s not how it works

[stoic thorn]

We should be getting them at the same rate as Plasma guns

Or at least rarer

Even the base infantry squad on the tabletop gets to field plasma pistols

[misty delta]

I mean yeah I safely assumed so

I would ask what the cap really is but idrc tbh

[split grove]

for mk3 shovel is m1 spam better than h1 -> L2 spam

[tall torrent]

tldr it's bad

[split grove]

L1 i mean

[tall torrent]

don't use it

[tall torrent]

no

u clear horde ~25% slower

[split grove]

i c

[tall torrent]

on an already slow clear weapon

[split grove]

yeah my horde clear be like aite wheres the team at

then i see carapace and i'm like yum

[ocean idol]

hmm, surprisingly, infernus is bad on heavy recon

you would expect it be good in hordes sicne it has penetration

but no

barely 10% of ranged damage is burning

with light recon it wa 1/6 of ranged

[hearty panther]

well yea

its just bad in general, always has been

even when i'd use it it was just for the """"utility""" of having burn stacks consistently finish off a target for me with a controlled burst

after their buffs thats entirely unnecessary

[ocean idol]

Advice on devil claws? Which is good for what?

[ocean idol]

nah, i think it is pretty decent with light recon

[hearty panther]

which one is the light

green?

either way, still bad

we're no longer playing with locks on our weps, there's no reason to trade off for a better/worse blessing lol

[ocean idol]

they all same colors lol

[hearty panther]

and idk if the dclaw names got changed

[strange crow]

Blue

Fastest fire rate is blue at least if that’s wym

[ocean idol]

Also what blessings for devil claw?

[mighty escarp]

There was a day, many years ago, where infernus was broken

[ocean idol]

when?

I don't remembr that at all

[mighty escarp]

during beta, Infernus used to have way way higher maximums and power generation was more widespread. It could melt a boss in 5 seconds

you would pop daemonhosts like normal mobs

They put an end to that real quick

[tall torrent]

Rampage + shred/savage sweep

[ocean idol]

What impact even does for devil?

[ocean idol]

Honestly should just increase amount of max stacks a little

Also, as i said, it was not bad

300k ranged damage, 50k burning damage

AND that considering i only had inerfnus 3

[slow spade]

It used to have infinite stacking and iirc it ignored armor

Then Recon got bludgeoned into the ground

[main gyro]

would reload speed or mobility be the best dump stat on a quickdraw revolver?

[woven oak]

Are there any scenarios where you would pick CQK over Reciprocity? I am not sure any of my builds have points spare for both.

[tall torrent]

I take both

But it depends on weapon

[woven oak]

Your builds are almost definitely better than mine

[tall torrent]

Power sword, CQKZ

Chainaxe, CQKZ

Low finesse, go CQKZ

[woven oak]

Well, the only melee weapons I use consistently are Rashad and Power Sword

[tall torrent]

Rashad is a weird case because even though its finesse isn’t that high, Crit weakspot does hit new breakpoints for carapace & unyielding

And Crit weakspot on unyielding is almost 4k per hit

It also depends on ur ranged weapon

High finesse ranged weapons (laspistol, infantry autogun), go reciprocity

[woven oak]

I use revolver, bolt pistol, boltgun, IAG, DB shotgun, and sometimes plasma. Much more variety there.

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity is never a bad pick (after they made it work properly for ranged attacks)

It just depends on how much value you’re getting out of it

[woven oak]

I might be overvaluing Superiority Complex. That's the easiest point I could move to take CQK and Reciprocity

[hearty panther]

If I gotta pick between both I'm taking CQKZ, mostly just cause that one gets me to stam regen too

[tall torrent]

It’s good but not mandatory most of the time

If u play focus target, a lot of the time u can hit the same breakpoints

Redirect fire is already half of superiority complex and it works basically all the time

And not just against elites, specialists too

[slow spade]

Superiority Complex leads to the -0.25 stam delay node which is always comfy c:

[woven oak]

My issue is that I like minmaxing, I just suck at it. So I rely on smarter people to figure out what's optimal. But then sometimes there are multiple choices that are fairly equally optimal, so I end up in decision paralysis

[orchid hemlock]

We got another one guys: https://youtu.be/ZZfaK_GuBmA?si=5zROwCJyu_4Cst8h

[woven oak]

And I know that in reality I'll play fine with either option. But what about the extra 0.1% performance?!

[orchid hemlock]

Strap in 🍿

[hearty panther]

i spent the day deep cleaning and rearranging my room

i have so much shit to get rid of, i hate stuff

[orchid hemlock]

@lavish token i got another f tier CC for your list 😎

[hearty panther]

but also i discovered on my last step that my bed is two inches too long to fit where i wanted it to go

so that sucks

[lavish token]

Oh my

[hearty panther]

thats on me

ya gotta be scientific

gotta like

measure with numbers n shit

dude has his music too high

i may not actually watch any of this

[pastel zealot]

hey whats a good melee weapon to use to clear hordes?

[lavish token]

Oh my god

[lavish token]

Standard infantry shovel flak maniac decimator uncanny

[pastel zealot]

shovel huh?

[hearty panther]

standard shovels are good, axes with BM are good, devils claw 1 heavies, uhhhh

chainsword

[pastel zealot]

ive been using duelist sword but its not cutting it

[hearty panther]

oh yea

yea it is

super bad at that

alternatively can just pack shredders

[pastel zealot]

i do like how chainswords look, they're good?

[hearty panther]

yea

[tall torrent]

Which weapon do u mainly struggle in deciding build

[pastel zealot]

wrath and rampage?

[hearty panther]

yea

[pastel zealot]

kk

[hearty panther]

or savage sweep

[tall torrent]

Wrath + shred for XIIIg
Rampage + shred for IV

[pastel zealot]

which is the better mark?

[hearty panther]

or ye, the above

up to you

[pseudo fiber]

They're both pretty good

[hearty panther]

13g is all clicks

[tall torrent]

Neither are that great for veteran

[hearty panther]

4 wants some heavies tossed in

[tall torrent]

They’re horde clear one trick

[pastel zealot]

why's that?

[hearty panther]

honestly, imo, totes supplanted by the chainaxe

[tall torrent]

Weak anti-elite

[pastel zealot]

thats what guns are for

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

If u play Boltgun, yea

[orchid hemlock]

Sometimes I get tempted to go Rampage+Rev because it's soo horrifically bad at dealing armor 😔

[hearty panther]

or revolver

[pastel zealot]

i use recon

[hearty panther]

do you use weapon spec

[orchid hemlock]

But I don't think there are any breakpoints even with Rev

[hearty panther]

i find attack speed is super necessary/valuable for the cswords

this dude's guide is pretty fine tbh

[pastel zealot]

so im using kraks, VoC, shock trooper

im only 21 atm though

[hearty panther]

oh gotcha

yea use whatever

[pastel zealot]

not too sure where to start going from here though

https://i.imgur.com/pXbFgoi.png

[hearty panther]

thats pretty good to start

[twin kettle]

So I just need to use this like ogryn use rock?

[hearty panther]

your next two points can go down to tactical awareness

[shadow dagger]

frags have a fuse

[hearty panther]

you playing damnation?

[shadow dagger]

regardless of whether you donk someone in the face with it or not

you have to look pretty high up to get it to explode without hitting the ground

[pastel zealot]

i was thinking that, and probably iron will?

[hearty panther]

yar

[pastel zealot]

then maybe over to the melee side?

[hearty panther]

or down to elite damage on the left side

[shadow dagger]

dont most people leave if they see a lvl21 in damnation

[hearty panther]

lots of options

idk i dont so

thats 2+/4 players not leaving if its me

[pastel zealot]

no, just malice

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hearty panther]

ok then tac awareness is like

not that important yet

so you can go to right side for that damage from CQKZ

but either is still qutie good

once u hit heresy and for sure damnation+ tac awareness is just silly

[pastel zealot]

isnt survivalist rather important?

[fading yarrow]

Like the fellow with the seal pfp said, frags have a fuse. Your best bet is to throw the frag at a horde that's far away, or arc it enough so that it explodes as soon as it comes near the horde

[shadow dagger]

kraks and rending strikes with ds? that feels new

[hearty panther]

oh no this dude pronounces Piety wrong

its all over

[orchid hemlock]

survivalist got giga nerfed and is even less valuable on rapid fire weapons you use for extended peroids

[hearty panther]

also there's just so much fuckin ammo on the map already

[orchid hemlock]

shock trooper is what will save u much more ammo

[hearty panther]

and two ammo crates

[orchid hemlock]

it also saves a point in the tree which is vital on recon since it is a talent heavy weapon

[pastel zealot]

gotcha

[orchid hemlock]

I also prefer kraks recently simply because they are great at dealing with bullwalks or bosses quickly

u can also use it as a cc tool for picking people up if you use the right click throw

[woven oak]

Any of the ones I use, really. But there are only a few nodes I'm stuck on. Mostly CQK v. Reciprocity, whether to get stam regen nodes, and if Superiority Complex is worth using over other things. I try to get Desperado on every build, but I don't go for Trench Fighter Drill w/ Power Sword.

For Revolver and DB shotgun I use Agile Engagement and Weapon Spec, IAG is Agile Engagement and Focus Target, the rest are Focus Target w/o agile engagement. Bistol, Plasma, Boltgun I use Survivalist; Revolver, IAG, and DB shotgun I use Fire Team.

So yeah, I guess it's juggling like 2-4 points into optimal places.

[tall torrent]

What weapon is this for

[woven oak]

This is just a random example, but it's for IV Power Sword + Bistol

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol wants either exe stance or superiority complex

I think exe stance just fits better tho

[woven oak]

Yeah, fair. I'm trying to start using exe stance more. I just really like defensive builds in every game I play, so VoC is so appealing

It makes the Kruber in me happy.

But then with the remaining 3 points, I guess CQK+Stam Regen+Desperado?

[tall torrent]

Power sword kind of doesn’t need anything on bottom right

U can hit every breakpoint without desperado

[woven oak]

Fair. Like I said, I agonize over decisions that don't really impact me that much. I've pretty easily cleared Auric Damnation with all of my regular weapons.

[spiral dew]

are you aware of a breakpoint chart for popular weapons? It's tedious to test it all manually, and some buffs are hard to trigger in the psykhanium

[tall torrent]

Which weapon

[spiral dew]

"popular weapons", I mean a general reference

[tall torrent]

Yea but which one

I have every veteran weapon’s page done in my guide

[spiral dew]

oh cool, got a link to your guide?

[tall torrent]

Check pinned

[tall torrent]

That one drive link

[woven oak]

Thank you for answering my questions, by the way. I really appreciate the help.

I look forward to the day you're able to add more example builds to the guide.

[wicked warren]

Question, how the Plasma rifle work heat work? The more is the heat the more is the damage?

[tall torrent]

no, that's only with some blessings

[woven oak]

If you have the blessing Gets Hot

Sorry, Rising Heat

[wicked warren]

I have it

[shadow dagger]

its about as logical as it gets

if something you hold in your hands gets too hot

[tall torrent]

gets hot gives u more crit chance and more crit finesse as heat rises
rising heat gives u more strength as heat rises

[woven oak]

By default, heat is only a limit of how much you can shoot. Blessings give it additional purpose.

[shadow dagger]

you cant use it anymore

[grand perch]

i must be sick or something, im starting to enjoy chainaxes

mustve seen some buffs when i wasnt looking in the months and months i completely ignored them

[woven oak]

Sorry for all the questions, but are there any other weapons that you feel need Superiority Complex? Assuming I use VoC everywhere. Otherwise I'll drop it and use the points for other stuff. I think that's my biggest sticking point. Right now I am using it on Bistol, Plasma, DB shotgun, and Boltgun, not on IAG or Revolver. Revolver would be really hard to find the points, though, without dropping something like Bring It Down.

[tall torrent]

Some weapons benefit from it depending on perk set-up

Boltgun, bolt pistol, plasma

[karmic moat]

I'm stuck with my non-chain axe ;3; nothing ever rolls higher than it. it won't die! it won't leave my hands! ANTAX

[tall torrent]

And it’s a general dps boost for automatic weapons

[woven oak]

It would be nice for IAG. The only thing I think I could drop to get it is Agile Engagement and the 10% melee boost below it.

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t go that route tbh

[woven oak]

This is what I have for Rashad/IAG. Drop Agile Engagement and get Superiority Complex?

I tend to be very melee-oriented on vet, which is why I pick up lots of melee talents. I mostly use guns to kill elites/specials and clear hallways with something like DB or IAG

[pastel zealot]

hey whats the preferred perks for recon lasgun?

is it maniac and flak ?

[woven oak]

Crits do good things for recon

[pastel zealot]

crit chance and t.dmg?

whats t.dmg

[woven oak]

Total Damage.

[pastel zealot]

oh

[lunar sedge]

Damn the Stance Bolter build actually slaps hard

[viral bramble]

Is this mission reward even worth considering or should I trash it?

[woven oak]

Just means to pick Flak or Maniac at your preference. Flak is better for killing elites, maniac for specials. Or that's my understanding

[woven oak]

Mobility is the dump stat. But with the itemization rework, it's pretty easy to get godrolls

[pastel zealot]

crud. mine has 80% collateral and 60% mobility

[woven oak]

That's fine if you don't feel like rolling a new one

[viral bramble]

Yeah I have multiple god rolls across characters with mobilty as dump (except on my Recon Las, which has stagger dump) Was just wondering how bad that stability difference is

[woven oak]

That I do not know

[karmic moat]

do melee perks affect bayonet stabbing? I figure they would.

[low vault]

What’s the best vigilant auto mark and what blessings do y’all Reccomend?

[woven oak]

I do not know the best mark, but:

[tame lodge]

Semi auto

[stuck gorge]

man i hate mf penance

[shadow dagger]

optional objectives when we're forced to do them:

oh wait

[stuck gorge]

as someone who wants silly number to go up on penance score it is mandatory

[shadow dagger]

then you should approach it with a proportionally silly mindset

[bleak blade]

impossible, thats unproffessional

hatred is codified

[stuck gorge]

just give me ogryns acylls fr

[shadow dagger]

wgat

[stuck gorge]

their minigun

give me that

it'll make the penance so ez

[tall torrent]

U know u can melee kill right

[woven oak]

Many More Try > Carnival mission > crouch in a corner > kill everything that comes near you

[terse idol]

Just play crab vet

[slow spade]

Just kill people

[stuck gorge]

crouching while meleeing isnt exact good on the knees

[slow spade]

Its literally that easy

[tall torrent]

Set crouch to toggle and just crab walk

[slow spade]

"I hate penance" -> check penance -> "kill people lol"

[hollow phoenix]

Mfw I can complete a penance to complete a mission without being melee’d by an elite but I can’t chain shots cause I suck at aiming

[slow spade]

Assail psyker is for you

[tall torrent]

there's no penance for that

[terse idol]

Just gotta do bettah

[tall torrent]

u can get hit by elite

[hollow phoenix]

There is one

Kill enemies with Assail

Oh you mean the elite one

[tall torrent]

there's no penance for "not being melee'd by elite"

[hollow phoenix]

I meant On Overwatch

That was my bad

I might’ve been mixing penances

[slow spade]

No you can get melee'd in that just don't lose hp

[hollow phoenix]

Yeah I have it done

[slow spade]

Problem solved 😎

[stuck gorge]

you prob were thinking of psykers keep your distance penance

[hollow phoenix]

but I don’t have something like find your targets or be methodical done

Which are arguably easier

[hollow phoenix]

Yeah that was it

I have that one done too

[faint beacon]

Crab vet just makes me upset cause it reminds me how mediocre MF is and I love its concept so much

[hollow phoenix]

Crab Vet?

[stuck gorge]

crouching doesnt remove stacks

so you crouch everywhere

[hollow phoenix]

Oh

Lmao

so you can crouch walk and keep your left keystone stacks?

[slow spade]

If you have the upgrade, yes

[terse idol]

Mf when it's just better to use full auto

[slow spade]

That's the funniest thing to me

Of all the things to buff, it was damage. On guns that already 1-hit on head

[brisk umbra]

double barrel shotgun blessings?

[fiery moss]

CRABWALK

(If anyone sees me crabwalking, I'm just trying to get my penance done)

[idle swallow]

The faster firing laspistol is the only semi fun and usable option on MF for me

[fiery moss]

Really? I like the bolter for it.

[terse idol]

Manstopper and soomething

The cleave just is toooo good

[thick needle]

Both Barrels

[crude fiber]

I liked using marksman focus with the slow lasgun recently. Only played 2 games with it but had one good game and one ok game with it

[misty delta]

MF bolter is a new one

for what devious purpose

[pastel zealot]

kind of a silly question, but what exactly does this do?

https://i.imgur.com/4GijwNe.png

[idle swallow]

Your ranged aim doesn't flinch when enemy shooters are firing at or near you

[pastel zealot]

oh! alright!

sorry, the terminology in this game is confusing

[misty delta]

understandable tbh

terms in this game have been historically confusing

[warm harbor]

Got lvl 20 on two guns so far
Going to complete them all

[fiery moss]

lol strength and power

[misty delta]

crying.

[worldly pulsar]

Perks on caxe?

[worldly pulsar]

What breakpoints does unarmored get you?

[frank basin]

If you use brutal momentum

You kill scab bruiser easily

[worldly pulsar]

Cool. Thanks!

[frank basin]

Could go flak and unarmored

Killing dreg bruiser