veteran-class

[pseudo fiber]

Or 60 defense

[idle pecan]

tbh this is the only 60 mobility melee that i have

[deft crystal]

cleave targgets should be dump stat

[idle pecan]

why?

[deft crystal]

60 to 80 is the difference of like 11 to 11.7 i think

or like 12.7

so

its not worth sacingg an extra dodge

[idle pecan]

so should i just sac all my melee weapons and only use 1 gun and 1 melee at a time to level them up?

[lavish solar]

You get an extra dodge at 80%?

[pseudo fiber]

You get a dodge at 51

[lavish solar]

It thought the breakpoint’s 50%

[idle pecan]

also have this

[stoic thorn]

I want the plasma gun from Boltgun

[idle pecan]

would this be a better devils claw?

[pseudo fiber]

They're both fine tbh

[idle pecan]

but what one is better

[deft crystal]

dclaw

horrde managment may be better

[idle pecan]

which dclaw i mean

the first one i posted or the second one

i love using the mace on builds that already have lots of CC like my Columnus build

[deft crystal]

ffirst one

every stat split should have all 80's and one 60.

[idle pecan]

i thought cleave targets was the dump stat tho

[deft crystal]

80/80/80/80/60

[stoic thorn]

What the fuck

[deft crystal]

stat split is worse

[lavish solar]

At this point it’s more up to personal preference imo

[idle pecan]

ah ok

[lavish solar]

They’re both perfectly fine

[deft crystal]

this one is pain

please re roll

[lavish solar]

Maybe try both the the psykhanium

[grand perch]

Plasma doesn't it you care about perfectionism

[lavish solar]

See if the difference in mobility makes a difference

[deft crystal]

its not hhard to roll ffor them now with the new empower mech tho

[idle pecan]

finding random 80808060s in my inventory

[pseudo fiber]

That's good yeah

The good thing is when you get a roll like this that's all combat shotguns done forever

[idle pecan]

also with this, is it worth rerolling for that extra 1% Mobility? does it even matter?

[pseudo fiber]

That's fine I guess

[idle pecan]

just gonna try to get a "perfect" roll for each type of weapon tbh

[pseudo fiber]

That's what I did

[idle pecan]

that way i can just make whatever build with whatever weapon whenever i want

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-dats-what-i-woulda-gif-18253305946678612829

[idle pecan]

thank you letters and numbers man

[lusty sapphire]

You get max dodges at 51%

Unless they changed that in the last update

[idle pecan]

wait....how does this work

[buoyant knoll]

how the party finder work for yall? I try to find some party to run auric and have no luck (APAC server), got more game on discord than that feature.

[idle pecan]

80/80/80/80/61?

perfect+?

[lusty sapphire]

Bugged, it's just visual I think

[grand perch]

Rounding

[idle pecan]

also, on infnatry lasguns is mobility or stability dump stat

[lusty sapphire]

Mobility

[idle pecan]

oh sick

[verbal burrow]

Consider how much diamantine goes into leveling the thing up, why build on flawed foundations?

[thick wolf]

I wonder what happens if you have a group of krak grenade vets and you tell them to line up and throw their krak grenades at a daemonhost

[stoic thorn]

DKnife my beloved

How's the shock maul though

[idle pecan]

shock maul has below average damage but can easily knock around crowds and as a bonus can stun bulwarks through their shields and stun crushers mid swing

also it has an alternating light heavy combo for optimal damage (if that matters to you)

[placid portal]

Easy achievement

[verbal burrow]

I always get a bit sad when I am on a team without krak grenades 😦

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-any-gif-26357631

[grand perch]

I can not not think of that gif whenever krak is mentioned

[verbal burrow]

That is roughly how addictive it is to pop a combat stim and throw 2 at s plague ogryn

[stoic thorn]

Ehh idk shield boys but killing people is good enough

[frank monolith]

If you have any of these, make sure to pop your abilities aswell

[stoic thorn]

Man this fucking sucks

[idle pecan]

it can stun them through their shields, so say you hit a bulwarks shield with the stun, then switch to revolver and headshot him

is this a good power sword

pretty sure its perfect

[pseudo fiber]

That's good yoy can also dump cleave targets

[idle pecan]

i wanted that max DAMAGE

ong

[cold berry]

is Brutal Momentum BIS?

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[idle pecan]

also have this

[pseudo fiber]

Or sunder on mk3

[pseudo fiber]

That ones better

Switch it to mk6

[cold berry]

I think I've been running the wrong blessings since 2023 then lmao

[idle pecan]

is that one the better one?

[pseudo fiber]

What have you been using

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah but keep the other have one of each

[idle pecan]

tbh im only gonna use 1

[idle pecan]

which one is technically better

cus with the low mobility one i still meet threshold for max dodges

[pseudo fiber]

That's fine but now you can switch and see the difference

[idle pecan]

51% iirc

[pseudo fiber]

Do activate push attack > light 1 on a crusher

Keep them for now wait for a better numbers person to check or see the document in the pinned perhaps

[restive rock]

Yeah what’s even the point lol

Wanna cleave your target? Special attack

[sharp spindle]

what do people like to run?

[vapid nacelle]

weapons

[restive rock]

Stamina

That’s good to run

[sharp spindle]

[stoic thorn]

Plasma Gun and Chainsword is pretty fun for me

[sharp spindle]

I wanna pewpew

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/

this gud?

[earnest bone]

gud

[slow spade]

You can try replacing Grenade Tinkerer for the "+20% power on weakspot hits after using ability"on the left bottom

Would help pew harder

It lasts 10 seconds making it quite good with VoC

[ebon prism]

Finally got it

[slow spade]

Nice :D

[ebon prism]

Now I can stop "grinding" other classes penances

and just play veteran

... And grind the weapons instead

[slow spade]

Meanwhile I have only 1 psyker penance

Thanks plasma UwU

[ebon prism]

[split sapphire]

Uh, ok

[ebon prism]

Wrong game

[split sapphire]

Why is that?

[heavy rover]

The jacket is tempting

[ebon prism]

https://tenor.com/view/heihachi-mishima-i-am-tekken-tekken-8-gif-10506808238162639531

Dude bought the wrong game.

[split sapphire]

I see

[heavy rover]

Nah, just say he's a psyker and he'll fit right in

[tardy rivet]

Theres already clips of that actually, he gets ownef

Owned*

[dire olive]

How long ago was that screenshot taken? My friend did that exact thing for his new zealot, same drip and all

[grand perch]

I've seen so many Heihachis

But only 2 General Sturnns. Even though he's clearly the best general

[rigid pilot]

@tall torrent rashad vet kinda crazy

[grand perch]

I'm also partial to taxes with celerity stim, the animation can't keep up with how fast you swing

[slow spade]

Oh Tactical Axes

I was confused lol

[grand perch]

Taxes hurt

[rigid pilot]

i was using combat axe

2-3shot crushers, good against horde

its like the darktide melee

[stoic thorn]

My enemies when they're 50m away from me

Does a miniature sun being blasted at you hurt more than a chainsword

I karkin love the plasma gun and chainsword

Chainsword goes brrrm and the plasma gun just melts everything else

Poxwalker I can't be bothered to run to and cleave with the chainsword? Plasma gun.

Nurgle has blessed you with a thousand gifts but it takes one curse of my plasma gun to undo that

[balmy flume]

Meltagun when

Shotgun and flamer rolled into one lol

[somber axle]

I wish we'd gotten Flamer on Vet

I understand why we didn't but I still wish we did

[split sapphire]

I'm a bolter and devil's claw kind of vet now

[grand perch]

What about grenade launcher. Everyone wants longlas and melta but what about my humble drum fed grenade launcher?

With krak grenade special please

[terse idol]

Ogryns when they have 5 weapons

[grand perch]

Give oggy multimelta but not vet

I'd love that

[hollow phoenix]

Glugger Oggy with Multimelta

[somber axle]

Grenade Launcher sounds funny. We have grenade launcher at home with Lethal Proximity Bistol but we need to stop at McLauncher's anyway

[hollow phoenix]

everyone’s invited to the BBQ

[grand perch]

I saw that Fuze

Luckily there are no hostages in 40k

[somber axle]

A rescue mission sounds fun though

Escort mission objective?

[hollow phoenix]

We rescue a servitor

[somber axle]

Right now it's just escorting a servitor skull for scanning

[hollow phoenix]

It has more value than us

[somber axle]

Maybe we have to rescue a captured Operative with Intel? Could be fun if it's to tease a new enemy type coming and not just Rinda again

[hollow phoenix]

It leads into a Genestealer cult plot line where we accidentally rescue a Genestealer

Unless that’s not at all how Genestealers work

[somber axle]

I read recently that there's an audio file where some teams reference fighting daemons in the lower levels. Not daemonhosts but daemons

Could we take one of those in a fight?

[ebon prism]

Around 3 hours ago

[hollow phoenix]

We can survive a Beast of Nurgle like nothing ever happened

[terse idol]

For sure

[ebon prism]

Yeah the rejects are now basically a little elite strike team

[somber axle]

Oh wait maybe they're talking about Beasts of Nurgle LOL

Those are daemons right?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[hollow phoenix]

Idk

[ebon prism]

The fact they can already survive without real protection against pox walkers is a very big thing

[terse idol]

I mean technically daemonhosts are daemons

[somber axle]

What other daemons could we fight?

[hollow phoenix]

But how do Genestealers work? Are they able to completely mimic someone?

[terse idol]

They host a daemon

[terse idol]

Chaos spawn

Oh uhh

Maybe 1 blood letter?

[ebon prism]

Plague Ogryns waitaminute

Nurgles!

I want to see nurgles!

[hollow phoenix]

Give us Nurgling enemies

I wanna drop kick one

[ebon prism]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-heyy-how-you-doin-point-gif-18745568

[somber axle]

Yeah but new enemies

[ebon prism]

Swarms of this guy

[dapper agate]

Plague Bearer

[somber axle]

Plague Drone would be funny but with how melee focused the game is... maybe a flying enemy type would mess with people LOL

[hollow phoenix]

Screw that, I wanna throw hands with a DG

[ebon prism]

Some khorns enemy

That appear just because there’s a good fight

[terse idol]

Hmm ehh mm

[ebon prism]

Wouldn’t be the first time

[somber axle]

Do you think it is Necrons in the other hive city that is hush hush?

They reference needing the heavier weapons/ammo for another fight

[terse idol]

I doubt it

I think that's too far fetched

[somber axle]

I know some people think Gene Stealer shenanigans but would that warrant funneling the bigger guns over vs the Nurgle stuff we're fighting now?

[terse idol]

The most likely faction might just be more moebians but they have heavy armour there

[somber axle]

That's true

[terse idol]

Gene stealer cult... I mean it depends I guess

[hollow phoenix]

What exactly does a GSC do?

[terse idol]

You can't really let either get out of hand

[hollow phoenix]

I don’t know much about nids

[somber axle]

So far Wolfer's forces seem to lack artillery, tank support and we only really get a glimpse at one dropship he uses to descend after his forces defeat a group of 21st Recon

[terse idol]

Basically they're sleeper that were infected by gene stealer some time ago, so through generations of imperial citizens you may have more and more mutations

[somber axle]

If he has vehicle support he's not using it anywhere we see unless I'm blind LOL

[terse idol]

You get a few people growing 4 arms and believing that they'll be saved by their god

[hollow phoenix]

Are they able to mimic people and take their form?

[terse idol]

Noo

[hollow phoenix]

So my idea is out the window then

[terse idol]

They kinda just subvert the population over a long period of time and the closer a tyranid fleet is nearby the more likelihood they'll start breaking stuff

And they operate like sleeper cells

[hollow phoenix]

So they’re basically highly volatile sleeper agents

[terse idol]

They could he moving munitions to other planets and we just don't know

Yeah

There was one lore exert talking about how there's a gene stealer cult working on a mining planet that's pretty subtle, but all they do is mine and work just, sometimes shipments go missing every now and again
Imperium can't deal with it because they'd actively be losing resources and productivity trying to hunt them down

Sooo people are just more than okay hand waving it down

[thick wolf]

on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad is this lawbringer build

[slow spade]

The main problem with detecting genestealer cults is they're generally just better

So a governor will receive a report that mining output increased 10% and think nothing of it

[hollow phoenix]

Wait a minute… my starved indentured servants performing better than usual?

Something ain’t right

[terse idol]

That's the tough part yeag

[slow spade]

As long as the Imperial Tithe is met, no one cares

[terse idol]

And they operate on guriella tactics.. in hive cities

[slow spade]

Also you underestimate how much nobles hate investigating the lower masses

[terse idol]

Urban warfare but the city is your entire 360 view

[slow spade]

Its genuinely traumatic to then

[terse idol]

And they've set traps all the way down

[slow spade]

And have genuine genestealers lol

[fading yarrow]

Vietnam but the jungle is rockcrete

[terse idol]

Nam' but it's new york

And the ceiling is new york

[slow spade]

Like a governor's kill teams would wipe the floor of an early genestealer cult

[thick wolf]

so uhhh, how much did I fuck up building that shotgun?

[slow spade]

But no one cares to investigate until its too late

[slow spade]

I'll be honest I have no clue for any non-DB shotgun

[terse idol]

Ite just even then it's hard

Cause like how you gonna find every single citizen in a hive city that descended from their parents who basically don't have physical genetic mutations

You're probably right doe

[slow spade]

I mean that's if they're being precise

Lets be honest, they'd just shut down the O2 of the entire hab block

[fading yarrow]

If you took an early cult and a Planetary Governor's Kill Team in the same room, the Kill Team would win
The problem is that the cult could be anywhere in the deepest recesses of the planet

[slow spade]

AKA easy to justify just cutting off their O2 and promethium 😎

[fading yarrow]

Unrelated

[pseudo fiber]

Fullbore on mk6?

[thick wolf]

I mean, it works?

as long as I'm not using the spreadshot special attack

[glacial mist]

what's the difference between scattershot and close range ?

like the 2 shotgun marks

i know precise mean you get a slug shot if you aim down sight

[thick wolf]

there's three shotgun marks?

[glacial mist]

i think?

[thick wolf]

agrip, law and kant

[glacial mist]

right

so i only have the first one rn

which is a slugshot

[thick wolf]

agrip, which uses slug as a special attack

[pseudo fiber]

I prefer scattershot manstopper on mk6 personally

[stoic thorn]

How does one get the kasrkin set

I want to deck myself out in my kill team

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[serene bough]

Is the shop rotation this or next week

[fading yarrow]

Money and the patience to wait for it to get rotated back in the Shop

[fading yarrow]

Today

[thick wolf]

I was thinking of that as well but I don't think my stealth vet's privy towards crit chances

[serene bough]

Cool what's the new swag look like

[thick wolf]

that and fullbore and no respite seems to agree with the main primary attack

[glacial mist]

so

if we already have a shotgun

what's the role of the double barrel?

is it like kickback-lite for the smaller guys?

[thick wolf]

double barrel is CQB-focused

basically horde killer 2x

[pseudo fiber]

#darktide-driptide message

[serene bough]

With weapon specialist its basically a quick swap "delete everything in front of me" cone

No need to reload

[glacial mist]

so boltgun but faster

[serene bough]

Ty

[thick wolf]

yes and no

[serene bough]

It doesn't do the same job as bolter

[thick wolf]

DB struggles a bit against carapace compared to boltgun

[glacial mist]

makes sense

[serene bough]

Its very much for threats within 5m of you

[tame lodge]

Agripina has more ammo, less spread, faster fire rate and more damage when ads
Accatran (former Kantrael) has less ammo, more body damage and more suppression

[glacial mist]

so just for a quick weapon specialist stack and then it's close n kill time?

[thick wolf]

tho Kantrael/Accatran felt more dissapointing to use recently

[glacial mist]

and what's this about not needing to reload

[tame lodge]

Note that shotguns can hit targets that are 80+ meters away, the damage does fall off with distance of course

[glacial mist]

even the slugshot?

[thick wolf]

I chose lawbringer because it felt like a neat balance between agrip and acca/kant

[tame lodge]

Yes special shot and normal shot

[thick wolf]

that and its special shot makes it good against hordes

lawbringer I mean

[glacial mist]

hmm i see

i've yet to really use any shotgun

hence the lack of usable mark swap

maybe it's time to make a weap specialist build

[slow spade]

Shotguns are eh but usable

You won't be disappointed but don't except to be amazed either

[stoic thorn]

I wonder what happens if I go up to the 3rd difficulty

And use my loadout there

[glacial mist]

malice is like

my default diff

to just go in and do whatever

heresy and dam

need some proper build/prep

i havent gather enough courage to do auric haha

[slow spade]

I haven't played malice in so long

The main thing people don't consider about difficulty is there's NOTHING more difficult than shitty teammates

[glacial mist]

true

[glacial mist]

if you get separated

a single dog can do you in

or a trapper

or even a mutant

[ember basin]

does marksman activate each time your executioner stance is refreshed?

[slow spade]

A big reason why a lot of the best players run "do it all" builds is to minimize the effect of shitty teammates :p

[terse idol]

Marksmans focus?

Nope

Only on headshots or by standing still/crouching with that one talent

[ember basin]

what?

wait no

[stoic thorn]

We really need a plasma pistol

[glacial mist]

loner is a perk in psyker tree right?

[ember basin]

its marksman

[terse idol]

I'm confused

Woops

[glacial mist]

or was it zealot

[ember basin]

just marksman

[glacial mist]

funny how i never attempted to take that one

[stoic thorn]

Like all the traitor leaders have plasma pistols

[ember basin]

why did they name two perk that only have one word differences

marksman and marksman focus

damn

[stoic thorn]

We've killed enough traitor leaders

Where's our plasma pistols

[ember basin]

anyway, does the str on weakshot buff refresh each time your exe stance refresh?

[stoic thorn]

I like to think that wolfer is just good friends with Fabius Bile and has to get more clones of the high ranking officers that keep fucking dying

[slow spade]

Zealot and its shit

Psyker has a better one

[glacial mist]

i only ever use the

reduce CD on psyker

[slow spade]

Indeed

[stoic thorn]

Idk why

But the spinning darktide logo in the loading screen is funny

[regal smelt]

It's not a buff to your overall damage, its a buff to the weakspot shots you make a few seconds after activating your ability. it's a powerful one too since power strength applies more damage than +%damage talents and blessings, and a lot more than the bonus weakspot damage 2 points above it. Its the only strength talent I can remember off the top of my head

[ember basin]

no, i ask if it refresh each time my exe stance duration is renewed

also, is there any vets voice that give a yehaw

[regal smelt]

oh nah, none of those ability modifiers not tied directly to executioners refresh. gotta wait for the cd

[tall torrent]

yea

[woven oak]

Male Loose Cannon can under specific ambush conditions. Can't find a video of it right now.

[ember basin]

yeeehaw

that meant i might hear it then

i swear it heard it before

[woven oak]

For some reason I cannot headshot Crushers with the plasma gun. Everything else, no problem.

But this didn't count as a headshot.

[umbral parrot]

Yea, that's the male Loose Cannon reaction to being ambushed and surrounded. Badass

[tall torrent]

Meat grinder is weird

[woven oak]

Actually, can't get headshots with it on Mauler either. Seems to be a weird interaction with carapace?

[tall torrent]

It does use headshot damage profile so ur fine

[fiery moss]

skill issue

jk

[woven oak]

I missed his head.

[tall torrent]

I may have found a really fun magdumping playstyle for plasma

[fiery moss]

Plasma gun just doesn't do well on carapace from my experience

[tall torrent]

It does ok

[real flicker]

hows the guide update going hammer?

[tall torrent]

But you shouldn’t rely on it as ur only source of carapace damage

[frank monolith]

👀

[tall torrent]

U could check it out rn

Updating blessings

[fiery moss]

yeah, you're gonna be wasting a lot of ammo killing crushers

[real flicker]

still the one in pinned?

[fiery moss]

Close range does the most, but if you're plinking away from range it's.. eh.

[tall torrent]

Link still same

I’ve overhauled both ranged & melee weapons

[fiery moss]

Actually, what's the best ranged weapon vs. carapace across all classes?

[real flicker]

Ty 🙂

[tall torrent]

Optimized cooling + blaze away

[tall torrent]

Either revolver or boltgun

Or staff

[fiery moss]

voidstrike staff notwithstanding 😛

[fiery moss]

what's the multiplier for boltgun on carapace?

[woven oak]

Voidstriking crushers onto their ass is endlessly entertaining

[tall torrent]

Forgot

I just know it’s 3~4 shots

For veteran

Revolver can 1 shot kill

They end up being roughly equal in number killed before reloading

[woven oak]

Is that under optimal conditions? Like, +Carapace, all the elite/ogryn perks, marked target, etc.?

[tall torrent]

In exe stance

But boltgun also takes exe stance

[woven oak]

Ahhhhhhh. I should learn how to use exe stance. I just shout about the emperor a lot.

[earnest bone]

Smykers
Smykers everywhere

[tame lodge]

(Infinite smite hidden op)

[woven oak]

Infinite purge staff is more fun

[split sapphire]

I just point and shoot, militarum style!

[woven oak]

I'm bad at aiming tbh. That's why I can't use knives on Zealot. I always miss the throw and look like a fool. It's also why I like revolver a lot, because I can still kill most things with a body shot and weapon specialist.

[fiery moss]

I keep forgetting executioner's stance exists

On higher difficulty levels I feel like there's too much movement for that and marksman's focus to be useful

[ashen hollow]

How do they keep making new awesome looking skins? like i´m genuinly considering just buying this to complete this look

no other game makes me want to just buy the cosmetics because theese are so danm stylish, and theme fitting, and great looking

[somber axle]

It's a rerun but it is a very nice leather coat with armour

I like the pilot vibes

[fiery moss]

I want them to bring back the Elysian cosmetics

[somber axle]

I want to pair it with some black leather pants and a pilot cap

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-disappointed-son-upset-gif-5705232

[somber axle]

Elysian cosmetics are SO good

Easily my fav premium set

[fiery moss]

I played Elysians in TT, and missed when they dropped 😭

[somber axle]

21st Recon is my fav "free" set

[grand perch]

i played an elysian style IG regiment all the way back in 3rd ed

but the elysian look never quite clicked for me, save for their lasgun variant

[fiery moss]

Throwback to when 3rd ed guard let you build your own style of regiment with the army-wide traits

[grand perch]

yeeeh, it was mostly a disadvantage but the flavoring options were just great

[steady crest]

Ayo guys, whats the mod that shows for example VOC duration as a bar? I cant remember its name

[formal relic]

with the mark target capstone, if I have max stacks and tag a target two times in a row, does it wipe all of the stacks the second time I tag them?

[fiery moss]

I don't think you can tag them again a second time in a row?

[formal relic]

can't you? the voice line plays at least

[formal relic]

thanks

[thick kestrel]

yeah broadly re-applying the mark does little more than reset your recharge on the marking

making you start from 0 again

it's the "other" reason that binding mark target to your primary fire is dumb

[woven oak]

Marking an enemy already marked with higher stacks does not reset your mark progress. Marking a new enemy does.

[fiery moss]

people do that? wtf

[woven oak]

Example: if I mark a gunner w/ 5 stacks, then ping it again when I have 3 stacks, I keep the 3 and nothing functionally happens

[thick kestrel]

not as much these days, but occasionally you'll run into a special individual doing it

[fiery moss]

loool

Reading the vet guide now, and TIL about cover peeking

What's the equivalent of zealot/psyker/ogryn?

[woven oak]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3044646170

There's no Zealot one I know of.

[fiery moss]

Not the guides, sorry

I meant the baseline ability

[woven oak]

Oh. Oggys don't get interrupted doing things

Not sure about Zealot or Psyker

[fiery moss]

Oh yeah, when reviving teammates, I forgot about that

[woven oak]

Or interacting with things

[thick kestrel]

yeah ogryns are immune to interupts when reviving team mates and doing Ogryn Tech Support

[fiery moss]

Even when doing the objective minigames?

[woven oak]

Yep

Also Ogryn aren't slowed when carrying things

[grand perch]

psykers have the baseline advantage of possessing an INCOMPARABLE MIND™

[fiery moss]

TIL lol, I've been out for so long

[ember basin]

we dont have an orgynomicon for vet?

[tall torrent]

check pinned

[ember basin]

why "Hammer" of the Emperor?

[tall torrent]

the imperial guard is "the hammer of the emperor"
and veteran is from the imperial guard

[grand perch]

seeing as you made the most prominent guide, you should rename to "The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer"

[tall torrent]

no

this guide is not uplifting

[tame lodge]

Lmao

[thick kestrel]

neither is the Primer... technically... :>

[blissful cliff]

Tactical awareness sucks :(

[tame lodge]

Why?

[blissful cliff]

Because i have to compete to get usefulness out of it lmao

On paper it sounds strong, but zealot and psyker have a much easier time lowering their CD

[atomic zephyr]

what its so easy

[tall torrent]

just kill specialists, it's not that complicated

[atomic zephyr]

it gets better the higher the difficulty

histg absolutely throws specialists

[terse idol]

Yeah

Funnily enough it's worse on lower than 4 missions

[thick kestrel]

aye, it's one of those nodes which might need tweaks honestly... at high end difficulty it's arguably too good... but it struggles a bit elsewhere

there's an argument to be made for it to give you a bigger time reduction, but then have an internal cooldown...

but that's tricky to figure out

[spark helm]

I personally don't have a hard time getting my procs of tactical awareness because I'm usually running an anti-shooter build with the starting infantry lasgun.

I still have to push myself in order to make use of it, but that's where the ability modifier for volley fire that highlights all ranged human enemies is for.

Even if I'm not taking down a specialist, I'm keeping my ability spinning and reaping the benefits and shutting down ranged enemies either way.

Once I got used to how this game flowed in more intense gunfights, the headshots just kept coming. At most, the builds I'm using make me just drop specialists in either 1-3 shots depending on my talent spreads.

[thick kestrel]

there's something to be said about the classic infantry lasgun exe stance loadout...

it might not be flashy or the most powerful option... but there's always that moment when you just get the rythmn going and just gun-fu your way through a wave of trappers and hounds with snapshots in all directions.

[spark helm]

It's very fun for me. I liked it ever since I just grew into standard lasgun w/ power sword back when the game was much much newer.

In teams with little coordination, all I really had to do was keep myself as safe as possible, stay within cornering distance of a teammate, and pop the ability the moment I spot any amount of shooters. The higher the difficulty, the more shooters in general so it's just that free. If your speed and precision are on point enough, you'll ideally almost never lose your executioner stance. If it's not refilled by the time you've cleared stuff, there's plenty of relevant targets: anything with a gun.

And in my experience, people aren't all that great at addressing shooters first most of the time. So that build just ended being my primary go-to. By the time we got the talent reworks, I just change what I want for whatever I'm trying to do.

My infantry lasgun performs gun alchemy by turning enemies into grenades and cooldowns.

[fiery moss]

I mean, my issue as a vet is there's always shit around me to fully use exe stance or marksman focus

usually spawning-behind poxwalkers

[thick kestrel]

at least we don't instantly lose exestance by switching to melee now ^^

[fiery moss]

Oh that changed?! Nice lol

[spark helm]

That's pretty much why the power sword became a staple as an all-rounder melee option for me. I don't want to lose time swapping.

[fiery moss]

The only auric and damnation missions I don't have issues with poxwalkers spawning behind me are low intensity 😂

[thick kestrel]

it's not exactly easy to manage the switch back in whatever time you have now, but you don't cancel it by mistake anymore at least

[fiery moss]

That's besides the point, it's that by pulling out your melee weapon and dealing with a single poxwalker, you're losing utility (time/stacks) of exe stance and marksman focus

[thick kestrel]

combined with the folding in of relentless to the main skill? feels a lot better overall these days

[woven oak]

Do I really need Rending Strikes/Onslaught on the Vraks V Infantry Autogun if I'm using a power sword as my melee? Much faster to just poke crushers to death than pewpew them

[elder fiber]

its not for crushers

and you def just don't need rending strikes

[tacit hearth]

Im still waiting for the vet tube grenade launcher man

[woven oak]

I'm seeing a slight difference in killspeed with Onslaught, but otherwise I feel like using the points for other things is more useful.

[tacit hearth]

cmon gimme them double pistols, grenade launcher, possibly a melta gun

variants on the boltgun

[atomic zephyr]

tfw hit F and the screen lights up

[tall torrent]

no

[woven oak]

Cool. And it seems like crit chance is particularly valuable on infantry autoguns because 1x crit means like 3 bullets crit?

[terse idol]

Iirc you keep marksmens focus stacks on melee

I think

[fiery moss]

But you're usually moving around in melee, so you're losing stacks from that

[terse idol]

Honestly this is a good argument to be made going left side tree to get the increased weapon swap speed and the extra toughness gained from toughness sourcss

[terse idol]

Isn't this how people farmed MF penance

By going crab walking

I mean yeahh you do lose a few stacks

[woven oak]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[fiery moss]

I mean, yes

[terse idol]

But you can just shoot groaners or pox walkers

Instantly get 10 stacks again

[fiery moss]

But my point is that it's way more annoying to fully use exe stance and marksmen focus if you need to deal with that one dude that spawned behind you

[terse idol]

Hmm sure but at least now you can try to get back

Or worse case turning around during exe shooting whatever melee'd you and then shooting again

[fiery moss]

To be fair, most of my complaint on this comes from using it with a bolter, where using a shot on a single groaner feels like a waste lol

[somber axle]

Lawbringer Shotgun (now Zarona Shotgun) special attack horizontal fire combo with Scattershot/Manstopper and Marksman's Focus to turn hordes into penance progress without being on your knees and RPing a Ratling in melee

[umbral scaffold]

At least exec stance now refreshes on melee kills, though I think it still needs to be highlighted

[terse idol]

You could justify just using the alt-fire to stagger it and then shoot your target

[thick kestrel]

I do also recommend the 15 stacks node as an alternative to crabbing

[terse idol]

Is the 15 stacks even that good?

[thick kestrel]

sure you lose stacks moving, but if you're above 10 reasonably often? not as big of an issue

[fiery moss]

I thought the 15 stacks wasn't recommended as a pick lol

[thick kestrel]

not overall, but as a way to get the pennance done? sure

[fiery moss]

ah

oh new store swag

[thick kestrel]

rather than instantly losing the timer for going form 10->9 you get a bit more buffer overall

[misty delta]

I just toggled crouch whenever there was a horde, got the kills via melee, and otherwise played like I had no keystone

[grand perch]

always remember this when engaged in melee

[fiery moss]

lmao

[tall torrent]

"simple matter"

[umbral scaffold]

DUST ahh mf

[grand perch]

it owuld be kind of cool if the melee system had counters like this, but i suppose the parry swords fill the same niche

[terse idol]

There are like perfect blocks

[thick kestrel]

devilswords covereth a multitude of sins...

[bleak blade]

this technique is just to maximize the intactness of ya corpse so its easier to process

[grand perch]

yeah but imagine if the pityful punch special of the knife instead, if timed correctly, would execute a wristgrab and stab to the throat

[umbral parrot]

To be fair, an Ogryn can do this.

[grand perch]

they truly are the smartest among us

[fiery moss]

I can't figure out the shock maul. What exactly is its niche or role that it's meant to fill?

[tall torrent]

yes, they just don't do anything

[bleak blade]

zappin

[tall torrent]

they're coded as a proc condition

[terse idol]

Aww

I thought they staggered little bro's

[tall torrent]

blocking need buff

[grand perch]

yeah i dont really get shock mauls either but they have great damage with little point investment

[terse idol]

If you ever find another smite psyker

Zap

[grand perch]

i treat them like chainswords

[tall torrent]

it's so much worse than push and dodge, it's sad

[fiery moss]

The attack patterns don't really seem to do well with crowd control though?

[terse idol]

The consequences of no SnB like vt2

Had dire consequences

C

[umbral parrot]

Blocking is really needed with Power Sword and Shock Maul

[terse idol]

Riot shield ogryn doesn't reeeallly count 🥺

[bleak blade]

yes it does

[terse idol]

We should get sword and board

[umbral parrot]

I usually get about 20+ blocks per match. I wish something cooler happened tho

[terse idol]

Spear and board even

[fiery moss]

I want an ogryn-scaled power fist

[worldly pulsar]

I want spears and polearms so badly.

[bleak blade]

that'd be good

[worldly pulsar]

Force halberds 😩

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-grail-knight-kruber-gif-5598768999825553829

[umbral parrot]

I just want to headbutt people as an Ogryn.

Like, kinda like the Grail's magical sword thingy

[terse idol]

Oh new wep for ogryn

Steel dome

[umbral parrot]

Lol

[terse idol]

Headbutt everything

[clever hedge]

Mr big hat said use me head, so I did

[radiant adder]

So what is best blessings for knife?

Executor and uncanny?

[strange crow]

Wait for for field improv do you need to be the one to deploy the crate or as long as you’re alive it activates?

[thick kestrel]

I think it actually works across the squad? science might be needed but I think it's universal

[grand perch]

its universal, but i forget if you need to be alive for it to work for others

[tall torrent]

Uncanny Strike / Riposte
+
Flesh Tearer / Precognition / Mercy Killer

[fiery moss]

Man, as much as it feels like the weapon customization mod is cheating, I need something way better than the crappy ironsights on the bolter

[elfin orchid]

this games optics are uh

not fantastic

[fiery moss]

I wish we had proper full weapon customization in-game

Like, we have the dang system for it already if modders can access it

[elfin orchid]

oh damn i thought i had to let the vet grab the bag

this is very nice to know

[tawny badger]

tertium if the guns had better sights

https://tenor.com/view/society-if-gif-22696824

[thick kestrel]

you would deign to presume greater knowledge than the omnisiah? blasphemy... all weapons shall exist purely in the designs set forth in the sacred archives.

the think you could improve upon the workings of the machine god...

https://tenor.com/view/mechanicus-techpriest-warhammer-machine-spirit-omnissiah-gif-20384129

(seriously though... yeah... but I can kind of see physical aspects like that being used as balance points in a way?)

[fiery moss]

On the contrary.. if my weapon is a temple to the Omnissiah, then by adding attachments, I am building out the temple 😂

But yeah, small attachments, maybe have attachment points you unlock with mastery, that lets you tweak performance in small ways

Maybe like +2 here to one stat, -2 to another stat

[thick kestrel]

I kind of get it? but at the same time weapon modification on that kind of level tends to trend towards "optimal" designs and meta after a certain point.

and it's.... kind of everywhere? it'd certainly be nice but I think there's a style and vibe you want to try and maintain with 40k, that crossing point between high tech but low knowledge...

covering everything with attachment rails and optics on all the guns, however convenient... I can't exactly say why but it pokes my brain.

kind of like how recent world war shooters have started inventing mythical reflex style sights on guns... mainly because it's "expected"

I wouldn't exactly grumble if they did do it... but I'm not chomping at the bit for it to be added either

[fiery moss]

I mean. I just want better sights on half the weapons LOL

[thick kestrel]

I do admit that the sights on helbore lasguns and how much the gun itself obscures your vision on ADS does keep me away from them a bit

exe stance certainly helps with that of course

[tame lodge]

Mk4

[spark helm]

I didn't have time to elaborate but yeah I get that. It's a balancing act with a decent amount of foresight that isn't as flexible as something like voice of command of weapon specialist comparatively.

Losing that momentum is pretty tough when it happens. I only really brought it up because p.sword makes fast enough work even after the steps of whipping it out, charging and cutting through things to be able to just get back to shooting if possible or just straight up switch to melee with less need for stress.

Bonus points for cutting through specialists like butter by default, making the uptime of your exe stance more fluid.

[last pewter]

what even is the dump stat on Helbores

Charge Rate I guess?

[thick kestrel]

ammo/stability oddly enough, it's a gun where you want to try and split that balance

[last pewter]

huh alright

[thick kestrel]

the charge mechanic actually makes the guns remarkably stable

as a happy little side effect

[last pewter]

neat

yeah now that the update's live and I'm uh

'a little' farmed up on resources

[thick kestrel]

^^

[last pewter]

cough cough

[woven oak]

Which shock maul is preferred?

[tame lodge]

Uh indi

Because moveset

[last pewter]

how good is Shock Maul actually?

I only tried it out a bit when it launched but never took it to an actual mission

[woven oak]

Indictus doesn't exist anymore

Now it's Agni or Munitorum

[tame lodge]

It's the Muni

[woven oak]

Thank you

[thick kestrel]

pretty decent! it's kind of in the same school of "kind of defensive" weapons like the Devil Claw swords and folding Shovels.

good at keeping you alive with little neat utility tricks.

and pretty solid without needing too much investment into melee nodes

[tame lodge]

Pretty safe pick yeah
It just lacks on the boss territory

[thick kestrel]

yarp

[last pewter]

huh I might give it a shot, then

[fiery moss]

What's the dump stat and blessings for shock maul?

[thick kestrel]

the shock special is good against ogryns and ragers and there's some good melee combos for most situations.

[fiery moss]

I can't seem to make it work for horde clear as a defensive melee weapon

[last pewter]

can it cause funny ragdolls? the shock maul overall that is

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher is mandatory
Then High Voltage or Lightning Reflexes

[thick kestrel]

I should clarify, the shock special good for interrupting ogryns and ragers which CAN save your bacon or help set things up for other team mates.

I think defensive utility is the best descriptor for them

kind of like how the Devilclaw swords have solid horde clear and light special abilities... and are the best defensive option against ragers you can get

but in the face of carapace? they have trouble...

but that's not a BAD thing... it makes them good for filling specific jobs in a loadout

the shock mauls are kind of like that, but the shock has more general applications compared to the parry.

[fiery moss]

right, but it can't horde clear right?

[thick kestrel]

the shock mauls? they kind of can... I admit I can't recall the precise attack pattern but you can make them swing back and forth with relentless strikes on a looping combo iirc

[tall torrent]

They’re ok vs carapace

3~4 hit kill

[elder fiber]

its specifically unyielding they have a problem with (and only really monstrosities b/c stunning bulwarks is p nice)

and 4 dodge count

[woven oak]

What's the most efficient way to level up a weapon mastery? Buy stuff from Brunt, consecrate to blue, then sacrifice?

[elder fiber]

yep

[hollow ibex]

Green but yeah

[woven oak]

I assume all weapons give the same exp amount?

[hollow ibex]

(or grind it by taking it into auric)

[hollow ibex]

You should use weapons from the same weapon family otherwise there’s like an 80 percent xp penalty

[woven oak]

There are a few weapons I just don't enjoy very much, like combat blades

[woven oak]

Good to know. That makes sense, but it also means I wasted a bunch of stuff. Ah well.

[hollow ibex]

Knives are so good though 😭

[woven oak]

I know they're good, but I can't find a way to play them that's fun for me

[thick kestrel]

yeah, got the same feel for powerswords

I know they're good... but they just don't gel for me

[hollow ibex]

Gotta go fast

Uber mobility stick while having decent horde clear and great single target dps

And the animations look sick 😎

[hollow phoenix]

How would you guys do a Doomslayer esque Vet build with DB?

[plucky cypress]

bring heavy evisc

the most fitting melee

[hollow phoenix]

Vet can use Evis? Thought that was only Zealot

[plucky cypress]

wait this isn't zealot chat

uhhh

[hollow phoenix]

[plucky cypress]

Probably chainsword then

[hollow phoenix]

I did this but idk if that’s even any good

[charred cape]

How ya doing?

[tall torrent]

Don’t

[woven oak]

This is what I am currently using for a Power Sword/DB Shotgun build.

[shadow fable]

Is it still better to lightspam most things with the Rashad? Or did the heavy attack changes make it more worth it to heavy some stuff?

seems like ttk is lower on lightspam for stuff that isn't ogryns, maulers, and monstrosities still

[tall torrent]

Light everything except carapace & unyielding

U can heavy atk 1HS shotgunners and 2HS ragers but

Light & PA still do better

[shadow fable]

Elite enemies are those that can be found on patrol right?

[tall torrent]

Rager, shotgunner, gunner, mauler, crusher, bulwark, reaper

[real flicker]

surgical or point blank for the bolt pistol and why please??

[woven oak]

I would pick Surgical of the two. More reliable. But I use Lethal Prox/Puncture

[somber axle]

Surgical is better if you're going Deadly Accurate as your second blessing. Lethal Proximity + Run and Gun or Puncture is the stronger combo though

[misty delta]

surgical because, unless they changed it, point blank only procs after killing with the special bash

[tall torrent]

Been changed

[misty delta]

ah. good to hear

[somber axle]

Bistol Grenadier build is strong and the meme of hyper boosted Shredder Frag Grenades is very effective

[real flicker]

ive been using surgical and the one that bleeds??

[tall torrent]

Lethal prox is basically mandatory for Boltpistol on veteran

[woven oak]

The radius is absurd.

[hollow phoenix]

Is the Commissar build (I assume it’s a general build) still good?

[tall torrent]

Idk what commissar build u saw

[misty delta]

which comissar build

[tall torrent]

But 95% of commissar role play builds are horrible

[misty delta]

there’s so many out there lol

[tall torrent]

If it includes a chainsword it’s probably not that good

[hollow phoenix]

Is a team support, utility build on Vet any good with the middle keystone?

Is that a Better question

[terse idol]

Voc is insane

Like, you could go toughness share plasmagun with glory hunter

But voc will carry the day

[misty delta]

focus target is also very strong on certain guns

[terse idol]

Well I mean focus target also is just

A damage boost for your entire team including yourself

It's just gooood

[hollow phoenix]

I’m a zealot player, brain not work good when thinking with gun

[woven oak]

This is what I'm using for my bolt pistol. Though I am considering swapping to Fire Team instead of Survivalist to free up a few points

[terse idol]

I think middle build with just voc will beat most of the game

[woven oak]

Oh, oops. Lemme redo that screenshot.

[misty delta]

more damage more gooder. Can’t go wrong with it

[terse idol]

I will say I'm a bistol grenadier enjoyer

Run lethal proximity, run and gun, and all associated grenade talents

With shredder grenades

[real flicker]

how come?

what would you swap instead of the chainsword in a com build?

[real flicker]

good combo?

[woven oak]

I just swapped out Survivalist for Fire Team to free up 2 points and moved them into Agile Engagement. I'd like Demolition Team as well, but I'm not sure what I would drop for it.

[woven oak]

Lethal Proximity makes all explosions larger, not just the bolt pistol. Puncture is just fun. I'm not sure if it's better than surgical, but I like bleeds

[tall torrent]

Chainsword for vet falls into the “can’t afford a Rashad” category

It’s not good vs rager groups and doesn’t deal with carapace well

It’s basically a horde clear one trick

Which, that role is being done better by heavy sword

[terse idol]

Honestly imo you don't neeed agile, survivalist is also just not a bad option for bistol

[terse idol]

Puncture is kinda stinky

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol

[tall torrent]

Helps breakpoints

[terse idol]

Woah really

I'm just disappointed it doesn't hit in the aoe

[real flicker]

im only just finding out bolt pistol makes explosions

[woven oak]

What melee do you run with it?

[misty delta]

I smell rashad

[fiery moss]

Bleed doesn't make sense to me

[terse idol]

If you want commisar larp

[fiery moss]

You should just be one-tapping stuff

[terse idol]

Just go duel sword bistol

[terse idol]

It seems there is a bp that I didn't know about that puncture helps withh

Since bistol is finicky with break points

[fiery moss]

Compared to just getting a crit with ADS?

[terse idol]

what breakpoint anywho?

[real flicker]

will you be adding talent trees to the document @tall torrent ?>

[tall torrent]

Combat axe III

[tall torrent]

It’s already there tho?

[real flicker]

oh

[woven oak]

I feel that I should have been able to guess that

[misty delta]

;)

[real flicker]

example builds doesn't link to anything for me

[misty delta]

wait III?!

unheard of

[woven oak]

III is Rashad

[misty delta]

thought rashad was II

[tall torrent]

yea because it’s not finished

[tall torrent]

Got changed

[misty delta]

I hate this.

[tall torrent]

If u run boltgun & krak I think heavy sword is better

Takes way less point investment to be good

And u have insane anti-armor / anti-elite / boss dps

[real flicker]

I love bolt gun and krak, not used heavy sword yet

[tall torrent]

I like VII

Dodge sideways into H1

It’s cool

[real flicker]

Ive not used the shredder nade, when is the time to use it?

[misty delta]

I like IX. H2 and H3 are good anti horde and you can block cancel H1 for anti elite

[real flicker]

how is it against armored groups?

[misty delta]

pretty shit for damage but it knocks them down

just use it if you need space

you need to toss 2 if you want to kill trash mobs

really good against moebian 21st or whatever the number is

[real flicker]

long as it gives utility though

and the knockdown could help alot

i find alot of my team mates bring kraks so i could swap

[misty delta]

I like to treat it like a mini zealot stun nade

very nice for getting objectives and revives

and it fills a niche that krak can’t which is aoe

we don’t talk about smokes.

[real flicker]

why not VOC?

[tame lodge]

(smokes are hidden op)

(but that's a Convo for another day)

[terse idol]

Smokes are better smmh

[misty delta]

I just like smokes for whenever my buddies say “I can’t see shit” on call

[terse idol]

It's like a ghetto bubble shield

[misty delta]

this is probably the best description of smokes I’ve read xd

[tall torrent]

Because exe is actually good now

And exe helps Boltpistol on a lot of breakpoints

Both boltgun & boltpistol

I tried exe plasma as well but it’s just not as good

It’s in a very awkward spot where it’s going to miss breakpoints if u don’t run FT

[fiery moss]

You don't have ammo issues without survivalist?

[tall torrent]

I do run survivalist for plasma & bolt weapons

I usually don’t run survivalist outside of them tho

[verbal burrow]

I considered doing that too

But in the end I deemed that giving the rest of the team +5% damage would be more useful

[slow spade]

I run ammo because it has the "toughness regen when no enemies are nearby" letting me be more independent from the team

AKA Plasteel gremlin

[lone yoke]

What should I run on melee vet (middle tree) - chain sword or power sword and what are good perks/blessings combinations rn?

[winter grove]

Is survivalist finally not meta?

[tall torrent]

It’s not been necessary since it got nerfed

There’s also just a lot of ammo on the map

[thorny gorge]

Ye

[winter grove]

Survivalist at least is less point heavy if you're going Exe Stance, right?

Cus I don't think 5% dmg helps mk7 ilas

[verbal burrow]

valid valid

[tall torrent]

Plasteel is basically worthless now

[muted prairie]

this is gonna sound like such a dumb question with how many hours i have, but is there a point to weapons that stagger/control hordes vs weapons that just kill the hordes faster?

[slow spade]

dockets is the true limiter now

[muted prairie]

like if i'm able to dodge right and not take damage from most hordes, am i not just better off running rashad?

[slow spade]

to be fair, some weapons can do both

but weapons solely stagger are meh

[winter grove]

Rashad can just kill people

[tall torrent]

I actually ran out of diamantine lol

[winter grove]

DIAMANTINE??

[slow spade]

GOOD Smite psykers have it so their Smite does enough damage to kill hordes

[tall torrent]

Yea

One gold weapon costs like

[winter grove]

How

[slow spade]

you are actually lost and damned at that point

[tall torrent]

1000

[muted prairie]

oh yeah for sure, empowered psionics smite is chef's kiss

[tall torrent]

My plasteel to diamantine ratio rn is 31k vs 24

But I’ve also crafted a lot of stuff so ya

[winter grove]

I wonder how much time it would take to get all optimal weapons and their marked variants

[slow spade]

at the very least, its now possible within our lifespan

compared to pre-patch....

I imagine Azaeal hasn't been around just stuck in the crafting menu making perfect weapons for EVERY situation UwU

[terse idol]

Uhh, it's like some level of build variety

[wise fossil]

The bolt pistol grenadier build is loads of fun. Deadly accurate works well with weapons specialist too

[terse idol]

Shovel having horde control is and like better defense is okie

[stuck gorge]

whats good on rashad

combat axe

[verbal burrow]

same

3 years worth of saving up too

[terse idol]

Brutal momentum, head taker
+unarmoured + carapace

[muted prairie]

brutal momentum, headtaker for blessings. flak and unarmored damage

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

Depends on how lucky you’re with plasma

[stuck gorge]

flak or carapace

[terse idol]

I prefer carapace

[tall torrent]

Everything else is easy

[muted prairie]

i use mine for hordes and some elites, bring out kraks and guns for crushers

[terse idol]

Because over heads are all gonna hit head which is important for crushers and maulers

[muted prairie]

so it'll depend on if u wanna use ur rashad or ur other stuff to deal with crushers

[terse idol]

You can try both, check out your bps

I prefer 1/2 less hits on crushers

[wise fossil]

Flak is nice if you choose to fight scab ragers in melee. It's kinda up to personal preference

Unarmored is mandatory for bruiser kills though

[muted prairie]

can you hit dreg bruiser breakpoints without flak?

[verbal burrow]

Ragers are maniacs tho?

[muted prairie]

scab ragers are flak

[wise fossil]

Iirc you need one or two stacks of Headtaker or some source of extra melee damage

[slow spade]

to be fair, scab ragers are basically a non-threat

[tall torrent]

Headtaker + brutal momentum
Carapace + elite/unarmored

[muted prairie]

iiiiiinteresting, ty

[wise fossil]

Worth testing

Like the 10% melee damage node

[verbal burrow]

You mean the armoured version of the drugged bros?

[muted prairie]

yeah those guys

okay, just tested it and ye, you need a melee node to do it

[slow spade]

if Agile Engagement Rashad can't kill a bruiser, you're probably cooked UwU

[muted prairie]

my build has no melee, so i guess i'm keeping flak

[wise fossil]

Desperado might do it too

[tall torrent]

Then prob don’t run Rashad

[muted prairie]

hey, are yall skipping out on extra ammo and superiority complex on your melee builds?

[tall torrent]

Rashad really wants 10% atk speed

[muted prairie]

it's weird, but even with no melee perks, i still find rashad to be the best generalist

[wise fossil]

I actually can't remember the last build I made that didn't have superiority complex

[tall torrent]

What does ur build look like

[muted prairie]

my normal one goes voc, ammo aura, then all middle tree and enough of left tree to get superiority complex

[woven oak]

This worked well. Auric Damnation HISTG, for reference. Power Sword as my melee to poke crushers.

[tall torrent]

Can u show a pic

[spark helm]

Really depends on what I'm doing with my gun choice. If it's something high powered like a revolver or plasma gun, I'm not worried about workable/good damage in ranged.

[muted prairie]

ye here's the bottom of the tree

idk how to do a full tree screenshot

[tall torrent]

Drop target down and focused fire

What gun are u using

[muted prairie]

i know that's the general advice, but i keep them for specific breakpoints on things for plasma

[split sapphire]

"Laugh this off!"

[tall torrent]

Plasma doesn’t need either of those things for breakpoints

[muted prairie]

in my testing it did

i'll retest

[wise fossil]

Target down is okay for Deadshot synergy but otherwise meh

[tall torrent]

Which enemy

[muted prairie]

gimme a sec

[tall torrent]

I’ve done breakpoints for plasma through and through

You just need redirect fire

I run this for plasma

[woven oak]

W/ power sword for melee, do you think I should drop Trench Fighter Drill and take Superiority Complex? I feel like I kill everything in <=2 powered hits anyway, so I dunno if it would give me any breakpoints

[muted prairie]

okay just tested, it was dreg gunner oneshots

[wise fossil]

This is what I've been trying out for Bistol grenadier memes. Very fun. Power sword for melee, Deadly accurate and lethal prox for blessings

[muted prairie]

specifically, body oneshots while you've got a blessing that gives +power

[tall torrent]

What did u put on ur plasma gun

[tall torrent]

On power sword u can drop trench fighter and get other things

[wise fossil]

Melee speed bonuses always scale, so unless you find some breakpoint I'd say keep it

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex is not mandatory most of the time though

[dry pivot]

Okay where is the toughness healer build

[muted prairie]

rising heat and blaze away

[tall torrent]

Perks?

[muted prairie]

flak and maniac

[woven oak]

I'm tryin' to figure out which things I should get, ha. I'm not great at theorycrafting.

[dry pivot]

Give me a hand

[wise fossil]

Iirc elites is the important one for plasma

[spark helm]

Are you just trying to be a toughness dispenser?

[wise fossil]

Flak/elites

I don't use plasma though

[dry pivot]

That but probably also shooting elites

[tall torrent]

Ok u prob should swap

[muted prairie]

oh, no maniacs? i swear that misses breakpoints on specialists tho doesn't it?

i'll give it a try

[tall torrent]

U don’t need maniac to 1HS flamers

[dry pivot]

I have two noob friends just getting into the game at the same time, they chose zealot and ogryn which are my two good classes lol

[tall torrent]

And if you want plasma bodyshot breakpoints you basically have to play exe or pray for crit RNG

[wise fossil]

You can play the same class 🤷‍♂️

[dry pivot]

I want to fill a different niche so they learn how to do that role

[tall torrent]

@muted prairie

[dry pivot]

If they are responsible for that area they should learn to do it

[muted prairie]

i hit them pretty fine with 8 stacks of focus target

[tall torrent]

Focus target 8 stack comes back every 14 seconds

You sure that’s something you want to specifically build for?

[muted prairie]

redirect fire turns it into a +4.5% damage aura

[spark helm]

You can honestly go down the majority of the middle tree, and make sure to take born leader, +toughness replenishment for mates in coherency, all focus target keystones.

You might be better off focusing on melee output as well so the final tier of right tree can give some nice things.

[muted prairie]

which i very much feel is worth a point

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire is +7.5%

You don’t need 8 stacks

The way you built ur plasma, it’s not for breakpoints

It’s very easy to build plasma for 1HS breakpoints

[spark helm]

Are you trying to maximize as much passive bonuses based on your/your mates' performance and damage control utility?

[tall torrent]

But if u want bodyshot 1 tap you basically just have to go exe stance

[spark helm]

@dry pivot

[verbal burrow]

The toughness one is probably the only one I am grabbing

[muted prairie]

i'm telling u that i hit those body breakpoints with 8 stacks of redirect fire

[dry pivot]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

I’m telling you that waiting for a 14 second cooldown tag breakpoint is not worth it

[dry pivot]

I'm about to join my friends who are playing space marine 2 pvp

[muted prairie]

dude, it's not some 14 second tag wait

[tall torrent]

And if you wanted bodyshot 1 taps so bad, you have better options

[tall torrent]

Dude, it really is

[terse idol]

Well cause you need the stacks

[muted prairie]

if you just keep killing things, the 8 stacks of redirect fire refresh

[real flicker]

@tall torrent do you have a link for your games latern builds?

[tall torrent]

It really does not

[terse idol]

They don't just refresh

[muted prairie]

i'm not marking things with a full 8 stacks lol

[tall torrent]

Go look at how it refreshes

Mark smth with 8 stacks, kill it
You get 2 stacks

[muted prairie]

yeah

and redirect fire stays at 8

giving me and my team a +12% damage bonus

[tall torrent]

Do you have to specifically use 8 stack redirect fire to hit that

[muted prairie]

which is the thing i need to hit those body breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Damn that’s crazy

Why not just go for headshots

[frank basin]

Aim issue

[muted prairie]

cuz i dont have aimbot and sometimes i miss?

[wise fossil]

IMO Born Leader is very meh. If you want to be support Vet use something like this

[tall torrent]

How many blaze away stacks do u need for that 1 bodyshot

[muted prairie]

one

or like, 30 heat

[tall torrent]

Blaze away, not rising heat

[muted prairie]

yeah, one blaze away

or one stack of rising heat

[tall torrent]

Because I think you’re just better off going gets hot over blaze away

[wise fossil]

My main advice is to miss less

[muted prairie]

tried it, didn't rly like the rng nature of it

and i like having a reliable damage buff at lower heat

[wise fossil]

This is personal advice I rarely follow though

[tall torrent]

Then drop target down ig

At least saves u 1 point

[muted prairie]

i could, but i've found it's the most effective use of that one point

and very useful

[tall torrent]

Again, I think if u really wanted bodyshot 1 taps, exe does everything for u

[tall torrent]

Can u show a full build

Gameslantern

[muted prairie]

if i keep killing, it's like, +10% teamwide toughness every like, second if i'm good

i'll try to figure out how to use it, gimme a sec

[tall torrent]

No

[terse idol]

10% is actually

Prettyyyy small

[muted prairie]

it is, but i like seeing my teammates toughness go up from from almost full to full

[terse idol]

the question being if it's 10% of like, modified toughness or 10% of base tougness

[muted prairie]

and yknow, plasma, so i'm killing tons

[terse idol]

I mean VOC

Blehh

[muted prairie]

modified toughness

[terse idol]

Don't want to yuck your yum

[muted prairie]

mini voc with every kill

[terse idol]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh