veteran-class

[stoic thorn]

And the bayonet is actually pretty good at bayonet charging

[rigid schooner]

You know,I really wish that vet got literally anything to increase mag size
Yeah maybe it would make revolvers weird but it could be excluded

But imagine a 20 round bolter

Or a 14 round shotgun

Or... Whatever the math works out to with the lasguns

[sharp trail]

the emperor can grant you any power imaginable besides cramming your 15 magazine bolter with an additional 5 rounds in the same sized mag

[woven oak]

Is any shovel notably better than the others?

[rigid schooner]

I can imagine that brauto guns and recons would be funny too

[rigid schooner]

The two new ones have the special that hits hard, the og just has a thrust

[shadow fable]

The blue folding is good with thrust and skullcrusher. It plays like the old one with good crowd control and the special is good for single target. Both the blessings help with horde clear and thrust is good for special attacks. Will one shot muties and get close with crushers and maulers

[winter grove]

Try it out

All mk3 heavy hits are horizontal

[tall torrent]

Again, depends on whether the weapon has good unyielding ADM

Usually u don’t need it

Brittleness/rending are very weapon specific picks

[serene bough]

Not much of a psword user but I'll consider trying

[shadow fable]

It was for dueling sword

[umbral parrot]

Okay

Real talk, this is the best Power Sword ever! ❤️

Love my baby so much!

[ebon hound]

Usually it depends on how much you hate crushers

[midnight totem]

Yes

[worldly pulsar]

Eh?

Any changes?

[rigid schooner]

Unarmored to maniac

[tall torrent]

not needed

[tall torrent]

this also depends on what weapons u have
a lot of weapons simply don't need rending/brittleness to kill crushers

[frail skiff]

What do y'all think? Close enough?

[ebon hound]

Change that "alot" to "some" and yes

[woven oak]

As I learned earlier today, can you shoot 8x without cooling?

[frail skiff]

Lemme check

[ebon hound]

Autoguns of all variants, most las guns, and pretty much all the shotguns and non revolver pistols are gonna suck against armor without rending/brittleness

[tall torrent]

ranged weapons included, yea
melee weapons, most don't need rending to kill crushers

and even for the ones that do need rending to deal dmg to carapace

most of the time ur just better off using a melee weapon that can deal with them

[ebon hound]

Or just bring a fucking krack

And not have to worry about getting flattened by a crusher at CQC

[tall torrent]

u don't have to use krak to kill crushers either

[ebon hound]

No, but its alot more simple then dualling a crusher within... Crushing distance.

[tall torrent]

eh, I see it as a way to deal with multiple at once

u should never count solely on krak for u to deal with crusher groups

[ebon hound]

Why not? They work wonders. And besides, if theres any stragglers, the inevidable vet with a plasma, or meth snorting zealot is going to take care of them before i can get my melee out

[tall torrent]

I play duos more so ig we're not talking similar experiences

crushers are actually very easy to fight in melee as long as u bring proper anti-armor weapons

axe kills them in 2~3 hits

[ebon hound]

I usually lean towards horde clearing melee more

Though i probably want to grab an axe for my autogun loadout

[tall torrent]

axe, knife, duelling sword, power sword, shock maul, chainaxe, shovel
u could struggle against them in melee if ur using DC sword, chainsword, heavy sword & tac axe

but that's 4 weapon categories out of 11, with the remaining 7 being anywhere from ok to great against them

there're so many options for carapace dmg, krak should just be a complimentary item

[rigid pilot]

Axe is ass against crushers

[ebon hound]

Eh. Krak go BRRRRRR BOOM

[rigid pilot]

It's like 5 headshots

[tall torrent]

nah what

on psyker?

[rigid pilot]

Or maybe 3-4 with FT and other stuff

[tall torrent]

No, 2~3

2 if u get a crit

[rigid pilot]

I haven't used axes on vet yet

[tall torrent]

Then yea

If u juice damage really hard you could get a 1 hit (crit)

But usually 2~3

[rigid pilot]

[ebon hound]

I just go bolter and devils claw

If i run outta bolts, i have my neverending supply of krak grenades for the crushers

[tall torrent]

this is on a plasma build with FT (no specific melee spec)

melee spec without FT achieves the same breakpoint

[ebon hound]

With so much single damage, how do you deal with hordes?

[rigid pilot]

Cara perk on axe?

[tall torrent]

U kill 4 per swing

[rigid pilot]

Brumo blessing

[tall torrent]

I play carapace + elite

3 hit without crit, 2 hit with crit

Axe is not the best vs crushers either

Both duelling sword and knife are better

[rigid pilot]

[split sapphire]

Is shattering impact not worth it on the bolter anymore? Or to begin with that is

[rigid pilot]

Yesn't

[tall torrent]

Not particularly worth usually

At least not for vet

[rigid pilot]

With exe stance bolter with surgical pinning I can 2 shot crushers

But on criths ofc

[split sapphire]

Would rather spend more time shooting then aiming with surgical

I mean without srry

[rigid pilot]

Shooting build goes on zealot

Cavalcade and crit keystone

[tall torrent]

Puncture + pinning fire

[split sapphire]

Already done that

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s pretty much the best for Boltgun rn

[split sapphire]

So, nothing else then. I get it

[rigid pilot]

You can run shattering if you want better crusher/mag

[split sapphire]

Well i was also referring to glory hunter running with a supportive team toughness regen build or somethin'

[rigid pilot]

Noh

I mean sure if you want but I hate that playstyle

[tall torrent]

Plasma is better for that purpose

[split sapphire]

Hmph

Plasma sucks for me, can't go without killing myself with that damn over heat

[tall torrent]

Don’t use charged shots

[rigid pilot]

The only tip for plasma

NEVER use charge shots

Like literally never

[tall torrent]

It’s basically never worth using

[rigid pilot]

Don't @ me with the niche situations

[split sapphire]

Whatever

[serene bough]

wish they'd tune the weapon to incorporate more charged shots

[tall torrent]

There is a blessing made for that

[serene bough]

spamming m1 without risk makes the weapon incredibly boring to use

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately it’s also not very worth

[rigid pilot]

80% of the playerbase disagrees

[tall torrent]

80% of playerbase aren’t using plasma

I haven’t seen plasma in a while

[split sapphire]

Bolter is just more reliable imo, nuff said

[rigid pilot]

Before the patch plasma pee vet was every game for me

[tall torrent]

Saw one plasma vet in 10 games I played today

[serene bough]

yes i feel the return of the bolter is here

i see many bolters/bistols

[rigid pilot]

Nowadays the queue is flooded with low levels so it's rare to see

[split sapphire]

Wielding the power of Adaptes Astartes weapons is glorious

[rigid pilot]

Bolters definitely alot more fun now, I haven't used plasma this patch

[tall torrent]

Yea getting twice as many active players surely does smth to the avg player’s skill lvl

It’ll take time before they get good

[serene bough]

or at least until they quietly leave til the next big patch

[rigid pilot]

Auric maels can be quite unplayable

[rigid schooner]

After playing psyker for a long while, I've come to the stance that the tac axe is probably the least effective melee. Does that hold true for vet usage as well?

[rigid pilot]

It's full of people chasing ASS again

[serene bough]

i dont mind a little chaos in my aurics

[split sapphire]

Maelstrom's are unplayable for me period, least atm, not many friends of mine play enough to have the experience

[serene bough]

today, i witness an ogryn unload his stubber into a DH willingly, unaware of the consequences

[split sapphire]

Least Auric ones anyway

[rigid pilot]

They were just having fun!!

While trolling the entire team but who cares yknow

[serene bough]

it was pretty funny

[rigid pilot]

Imagine if he failed to kill it

[serene bough]

i tend to enjoy losing if the shenanigans behind the loss cause a chuckle

[serene bough]

he did fail, ogryn ded

[rigid pilot]

[split sapphire]

Not for me, i prefer to see the job done, no time for lolly gagging

[split sapphire]

Rip big man

[serene bough]

honestly, chaos from randos adds replayability

game would feel more stale if i was constantly running with a 4-stack all auric competent

maybe true duo is a lot of fun, but none of my friends play darktide lols

[split sapphire]

That's not how i enjoy things but i'll respect that

[serene bough]

all in moderation, its good to play with a real team over a bunch of glue eaters every now and then

[ebon hound]

Sometimes you carry, sometimes ya dont

Sometimes ya GET carried

Just how it is

[split sapphire]

One thing i still have not done yet, since i first got the game, was finish an Auric Maelstrom

[serene bough]

i got carried twice today in auric by dueling sword zealots

[ebon hound]

Lemme put it like this: the more phsykers on your team, the more likey you will survive

Sweaty phsykers are even nuttier then zealots

[split sapphire]

I suppose so, i mean, psycher's bubble shield is nice

[serene bough]

idk whos sweatier psykers or zealots

[ebon hound]

Nobody really

Oh you mean between the two of them

[tall torrent]

u don't have to true duo
duo even with bots is pretty fun

[ebon hound]

The sweatiest phsykers i met would eat the sweatiest zealots for breakfast

[split sapphire]

Seems he has a point

[tall torrent]

psyker

[serene bough]

yeah id bet psyker

[serene bough]

bots are not useless in duo?

[ebon hound]

They built different

[tall torrent]

No, they can potentially drain ur healing resources and go down a lot

[split sapphire]

Yea, sometimes they suicidal tho

[tall torrent]

Added difficulty

[serene bough]

i see

at that point why not just solo

[tall torrent]

But they’re really good at shooting

[serene bough]

makes sense

[tall torrent]

I’m too lazy to get solo mod and my game has “out of memory” error from time to time

Solo also doesn’t get as many enemy spawns as duo

[split sapphire]

Idk if solo is even possible, then again, why?

[tall torrent]

And if ur duo happen to die from an unfortunate incident, you get to play solo for a while

[tall torrent]

with mods, yes
some people like the challenge

[ebon hound]

Ill just stick to aulric with randoms. Thats difficult enough for me

[split sapphire]

I'll just stick with standard

[serene bough]

after so many runs i crave new difficulty options

maybe i'll attempt solo soon

[rigid pilot]

Solo is only feasible on some maps

[ebon hound]

I crave more maps and an actual trackable story from said maps. Like they did with vt2

[rigid pilot]

Although some people don't try to complete either

[ebon hound]

Here, its kinds all over the place

[tall torrent]

u can just play duos

[ebon hound]

Fitting enough, i supose, but still

[rigid schooner]

After playing psyker for a long while, I've come to the stance that the tac axe is probably the least effective melee. Does that hold true for vet usage as well?

What about taxe is worthwhile on vet?

[rigid pilot]

Deja vu

[split sapphire]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

it's not very good on vet

it's alright (?) for zealot

[rigid pilot]

Ask on zealot chat, 30 people will @ you

[rigid schooner]

I think the swing speed talents makes it useful on zeal

[noble peak]

hey guy how can i get the speed loader for the revolver

[rigid pilot]

You unlock it in the masteries

[rigid schooner]

There's two marks of revolver, one gets it the other doesn't

[rigid pilot]

Oh you mean the reload animation

[rigid schooner]

The one without it aims down sights, the one with it fans the hammer

[noble peak]

the one with the fans the hammer
i want to play with that one

[ebon hound]

Unless you're a melee vet, or a zealot, i dont see much reason to use the revolver these days unless you're a worshiper of the drip

[rigid schooner]

You have two options, you can either get one from the shop, or if you have a revolver already you can switch it over once you hit master my rank 7(?)

[rigid pilot]

Look for the agripinna one

[noble peak]

ah i see thankyou all for the help mate

[ebon hound]

What weapons would yall like to see? Im just waiting for the year we finally get the hotshot volley gun.

[tall torrent]

for veteran, definitely longlas & hotshot volleygun

more 2h weapons and melta for zealot

more force weapons for psyker

las-cannon for ogryn, also buff his other weapons because most of them are just bad

[ebon hound]

True. Although im suspecting its intentional. Tanks not supposed to actualy kill the enemies good. They mean to control the crowds and take hits, i suppose.

[tall torrent]

well that rule's been broken with karsolas and kickback

[trim steppe]

None of the classes have defined rolls like "tank" or "dps" they all kill shit

[tall torrent]

and designing a class around a specific role just isn't as fun

[ebon hound]

Only GOOD ogryn ranged weapon i like is the grenade gauntlet

[tall torrent]

not in this type of game

[ebon hound]

Hey im not disagreeing

Im just explaining the possible dev logic

[tall torrent]

every class should be able to deal with everything on their own, just in different ways

[golden coral]

Is the heavy sword viable on Vet? Been using it a bit while leveling it, and just... doesn't seem to click for me.

[rigid pilot]

Assault cannon for ogryn

Now

[broken terrace]

a lot of people love it but I kinda think it's poopy doo doo

[thorn lark]

headtaker + rampage should do the job against hordes

and maybe deathblow if you reach some os bps

[winter grove]

"Pickaxe stands out in ogryn's arsenal because it's actually good"

[broken terrace]

which sapper shovel mk can handle the most variety?

[tall torrent]

ya

[stoic thorn]

Consignment yard sigma 57

Brainrot

[tall torrent]

1 & 7

[winter grove]

This quote really stuck with me because it's true

[broken terrace]

Thanks. Are they kinda equal or do they do different things better?

[earnest bone]

It's not really good for Vet, but Zealot can use it well both in Martyrdom and Piety trees

[tall torrent]

different things
1 is more general purpose with a strong poke special
7 has more single target dmg but no reliable stagger

[tribal pelican]

God I love the new bolter

[stoic thorn]

HOLY SHIT BOLTGUN

I'm getting me grubby hands on it

[trim steppe]

Queued into a train mission in progress, 2 dudes dead, picked everyone up and won with 3 seconds left on the timer

feelsgoodman

[shadow fable]

How'd you build the axe for two tap crusher? Rashad I assume

[tall torrent]

carapace + elite, brutal momentum + headtaker

[fading yarrow]

What do all the white numbers correspond to?

[shadow fable]

elite over unarmored?

[tall torrent]

yea

unarmored is a QoL perk

[shadow fable]

I though unarmored made horde clear better

[trim steppe]

I like good ol fashioned unarmored + flak so I dont have to ramp up HT stacks to clear

[tall torrent]

it allows u to 1 tap scab bruiser without headtaker stacks, and gets easier dreg gunner 2hs and makes easier potential for dreg shotgunner 1hs

not bad QoL

but elite in my builds help more

[shadow fable]

kk

[woven oak]

What happened to Auric Damnation players? Before this update I could win 10+ in a row w/o difficulty. Now I'm watching my team fall like leaves around me over and over again. And I'm generally not good enough to carry solo.

[earnest bone]

Many new players

or old players coming back

[tall torrent]

a lot of people came back to / got into this game

[earnest bone]

online literally tripled on steam alone, god knows how it is on Windows Store/Xbox

[woven oak]

One game I did hardcarry solo, I got out of memory crash'd right at the end

[earnest bone]

better to quit and re-enter the game like every 2-3 hours or so

depends on PC i think

i played one MMO game where memory leak was an issue for like 4 years

[stoic thorn]

I love the bolt pistol over the BG

[grizzled pebble]

Any smoke nade knife bistol enjoyer? (Rip horde clear)

[stoic thorn]

I love charging up my power sword just to kill a poxwalker

[tribal pelican]

Im far left row other three rowes are the other three team members if the number is yellow it means you had the highest score of the team in that number white numbers are just normal score

[rigid schooner]

What are smokes used for/how are used at this state of the game

I noticed they're kinda transparent so you can't troll with em even

[stoic thorn]

What is embrittlement?

[tribal pelican]

To my knowledge very niche ranged enemies cannot fire through the cloud, cannot shoot at anyone inside the cloud and enemies inside the cloud cannot shoot. On paper its almost like a mini psyker bubble however im of the opinion that it is not worth blinding your entire team

[stoic thorn]

I keep seeing it on the power sword

Is it like just more damage

Or weakens the enemy to more damage

[grizzled pebble]

Smoking is cool you should do it constantly

[fading yarrow]

So Teammate 2 got the most Lesser Enemy Kills, Teammate 3 got the most Critical Hits Dealt and so on?

[tribal pelican]

idk about this maybe its my monitor but they are not at all transparent for me lol

[tribal pelican]

yes

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-the-orville-gif-7658479820042125764

[fading yarrow]

Ahhh, I see I see
Ty

[grizzled pebble]

Smoke speed aura stealth knife bistol is ultra based

[cold berry]

smokes are good in large open spaces where you're getting shot-up,
two or three of your party is downed
and no one is able to move

or long hallways and no one is able to kill the three snipers because no one has a revolver

but other than that I honestly haven't seen much value out of it

[fading yarrow]

They're for when you run out of lho-sticks
Need a puff, pop a smoke
Oh and they're good to block Sniper lines of sight ig

[tribal pelican]

A full score board from the mod looks like this that other cap I was just highlighting the areas where I felt the bolter excelled more clear when you see the whole thing I just assumed most people here are probably familiar with the score board mod

[grizzled pebble]

Pretty sure sniper can shoot through smoke?

[rigid schooner]

Grenade tinkerer smokes just get extra duration right? Lmao

[fading yarrow]

Grenade Tinkerer smokes just turn them into vapes, actually

[earnest bone]

I'm using them for 3 things:

• Multiple (4-5+ Snipers focusing your team), like MS or Sniper Auric, throw a nade and kill them all
• To revive the downed person (this is the most common use under heavy fire)
• To engage 20+ elite gunners/shotgunners in some rare cases in clutch situations

[grizzled pebble]

I smoke melee horde to blind team

We are not the same

[fading yarrow]

I think I used smokes for the penance and never touched them again

[tribal pelican]

that penence was ass

[cold berry]

gib me your steam name so I can block you

/jk

[tribal pelican]

does this actually do anything?

smokes have the same down fall as most if not all of the defensive options in opertunity cost smokes are okay but your forgoing frags which will let you reset the screen of lesser enemies and if need be most elites with spam chucking and with how meny enemies spawn in auric you need to be killing things as fast as you can

[tame lichen]

I finally bothered to get the storm survivor title

1 away from exemplar now

[cold berry]

opportunity cost
that's the same with a lot of things
smoke grenades in theory should enable you to DPS for free uninterrupted

how often that actually happens though....

[grizzled pebble]

It's some noob psyker called unsanctioned pls reporr to the inquisitor

[tame lichen]

No alt f4 either just bots at the end of most missions lol

[fading yarrow]

Virgin using smokes to troll teammates
Virgin using frags for DPS

Chad using kraks to horde clear

[tribal pelican]

got mine 2 days ago im no where near good enough to justify having it lol just ground mealstroms nonstop for a week till I got a good streak

[tame lichen]

I dont consider mine "legit" because i'm using zealot. Basically free

[cedar torrent]

x.x i just started veteran, level 5 and i think playing veteran with the revolver is the single most infuriating thing i have experienced

[cold berry]

it's probably because you're not hitting any breakpoints at level 5 lol

• you are not critting

revolver feels amazing

[earnest bone]

he probably means supression

and you cant get immunity to that until later in levels

[cedar torrent]

i mean tbf pretty much all ranged weapons are infuriating but the revolver is my least favorite because it seems so good

[earnest bone]

try agripina braced autogun for lower levels

basically ak47

[cedar torrent]

i mean nothing will change cuz my aim is shit

[earnest bone]

that thing is fine with bodyshots

[cedar torrent]

but god i wish i was good at revolver

[fading yarrow]

Zealot or not, that's absolutely legit imo
It may be free, but it's still your own skill that's making it free

[tribal pelican]

my take here was from a truly optimized perspective the reality is that any build CAN run auric meal just fine, and I didn't even hint at the whole "Planning for failure" thing where smokes in their ability to unfuck a situation that a imaginary perfect team never should have found themselves in in the first place. This is literally just psyker telikine shield discourse.

Iv run meta in meal becuse im feeling lazy and have gotten compleatly outclassed by a vet with a tac axe and a combat shotgun

its always 90% the player having a somewhat useful build just helps

[tame lichen]

perhaps, Bolt pistol hard carried ngl

[tribal pelican]

the new hitscan cone on bolt weapons is insane, I could close my eyes and keep exec stance going for 5min aslong as elites keep spawning lol

no aim required just spew pepsi cans left and right

[grizzled pebble]

Smoke should extinguish flame though

[crude fiber]

tac axe + fire shotty on a weapon specialist build goes crazy ngl

[final zealot]

Whats the difference between the chainswords and chain axes?

[thick wolf]

I want smoke grenades to hilariously make melee enemies so disoriented they don't know where to attack once they were smoke grenade'd

[crude fiber]

the chain axes have a tick of saw damage included in their attacks, one on their heavies and the lights on the other. otherwise i think its just moveset and damage differences

[final hamlet]

A skill that changes smoke to acid fog/tear gas would also be fun

[final zealot]

Might try using it over chainsword

Chainsword does not feel good to use

[tribal pelican]

idk how else I could word this but coming back after not playing for like 8 months why is every such wussies these days people rage quit as soon as they go down in aurics these days its getting annoying

[final zealot]

People do that in general i find

Sometimes its nice since they get replaced with a bot that sometimes gets a clutch revive

Then a better player hops in like a minute later

[tribal pelican]

chain sword rocks which mk are youe using have you checked out the pinned guide for optimal attack patterns?

[final hamlet]

They rather take dishonour before death ...

[final zealot]

Using the XIIg mainly or whatever the name is, just doesnt feel fun to use, and it just feels less effective than running something like shovel or knife, i mean it gets the job done, but it feels clunky and not particularly impactful compared to other melee options

I get its supposed to be a middleman jack of all trades

[tribal pelican]

it isnt though its a horde clear it minces hordes way faster then shovel or knife, it has an above average dodge profile so you can infinitely kite hordes without blocks or pushes if you time it right

its horde clear with okay anti elite options for a pinch

[frank monolith]

It gets better

[tribal pelican]

I want to love the shovel so bad but in higher level play its slow horde clear just show's way to much it defiantly feels like it should have a above average dodge profile aswell instead of having such bad mobility

[final zealot]

Idk maybe i need to get both it and some other weapons to max power to really notice the difference fully, but from experience so far ive been getting better hordeclear results from a purple shovel with only a level 2 or 3 perk than I have from a legendary chainsword with maxed unarmed damage and maxed savage/rampage

[thick wolf]

I've been using standard shovel in my stealth vet and its working well against hordes

after swapping the knife with it

its stupid in how it's somehow working but it is

[final zealot]

Im a knife purist for stealth builds, nothing quite feels the same lol

Though it feels a lot better on zealot than vet

[thick wolf]

paired up with the moebian 6th set and you get a creepy dude with a shovel ready to smack your head with a shovel

imagine if zealots have access to the standard shovel like they did with the prologue

[frank monolith]

Which mk knife version do you use btw

[final zealot]

The stabby one

Not the slicey one

[tribal pelican]

there is a difference between horde clear and horde stagger I love the shovel in normal damnation and below but in auric and above it becomes noticeable how many pox walkers you are just stunning instead of killing. if your dodges and pushes are not on point shovel feels better because the mass stun keeps you safe

[thick wolf]

whenever I use the chainsword, I think I'm using the more flexible version which I don't remember its color nor how it looks

because fatshart changed the goddamn mk labels for a lot of the weapons

I think tis mainly the one with the heavy horde clear attacks

[final zealot]

I prefer the stabby one since it has easier access to its strikedown heavy, and with a bleed blessing its not bad for hordeclear

Not the best

But it manages with its mobility and bleed

Granted I just run shredder nades for big hordes

[frank monolith]

Try the mk 6 on vet, it works better in my opinion, and if you go weapon spec with db you can practically play it similar to a zealot 👀

This is like the gameplay pov build is in the comments https://youtu.be/-nM_5T94_5I?si=U4u_EaFyiT7wp8kM

[thick wolf]

pair up shredder with grenade tinkerer and lethal prox on boltpistol

the results are hilarious

[frail skiff]

Pocket nuke

[thick wolf]

halo combat evolved grenade

[final zealot]

Honostly id rather have room for breathing rather than having to rely on always being on point with dodges personally

[tribal pelican]

@final zealot I also wanna say im not proselytizing on behalf of chainsword here just sharring my opinion becuse I do think its a hard weapon to get the hang of but worth it in the end. At the end of the day whichever weapon you think is most fun is the one you should use

[thick wolf]

chainaxe is funny

you get to make crushers a living joke with it

[placid portal]

The one with sticky lights or the one with funny stab

[thick wolf]

sticky lights is what I mainly use

since it has heavy horde clear

[shadow fable]

Power sword, Folding shovel, Dueling sword, and some others too

[placid portal]

I love the sticky light one

[tribal pelican]

true but its horde clear is so baaaad and it makes your charecter move around like they have boulders strapped to thier feet

[thick wolf]

that's just power sword with that mobility

[final zealot]

I think fatshark should give vet thr blazeforce sword

[placid portal]

You could stunlock ragers with light spam which is funny

[tribal pelican]

except power sword vaporizes hordes

[tribal pelican]

they did lol

[placid portal]

Got mine with slaughter and headtaker, fun stuff

[thick wolf]

still horrible mobility however

[shadow fable]

Power sword two taps about literally everything and good horde clear

[placid portal]

Dueling sword vet is literally Polish Hussar

[tribal pelican]

power sword is just better but heavier illisy blaze force sword my gf who plays psyker was so confused when i wiped it out she dead ass though i had an illisy

[thick wolf]

force sword felt more fun to use

even if its clearly not as strong as power sword in horde clear

[placid portal]

Powersword users wondering why we cant keep the sword powered😔

[tribal pelican]

blaze force is much quicker on the draw and in every other aspect but i think brutal momentum and power cycler closes that gap

[shadow fable]

Powersword is probably vets best melee but gets boring very fast

[final zealot]

Also, how decent are smoke grenades generally? Got a few penances I gotta knock out for them, and they seem neat, though im not sure how I'd wanna use/build them

[shadow fable]

They're aight for making shooters not a problem

[thick wolf]

smoke grenades help against ranged threats

[final zealot]

I know they block dog/trapper stuff from outside the cloud

Or well, stop them from doing those things outside the cloud to people in it

[thick wolf]

however it dissipates quick unless you have grenade tinkerer

[shadow fable]

It's kind of just a worse psyker bubble

[tribal pelican]

if you scroll up or search chat sombody asked this question like an hour ago and got a bunch of answers long story short they are too niche and frag grenade is just to broken to pass up. gl on that penance imo it was the secound worst vet penence to get

[thick wolf]

nah I still think the no damage 90% accuracy for me was worse

while also not picking up ANY ammo

[tribal pelican]

penance was not hard it was just annoying

[final zealot]

90% accuracy wasnt bad tbh

I just ran a revolver, ez pz

[thick wolf]

wait, 90% accuracy and no melee damage are two separate things

still pretty bad

there's also that grenade penance vet has

[shadow fable]

Funnily enough it was super easy for me with a plasma gun

[tribal pelican]

i personaly really like those types of penances a good challenge not just toss 2000 fucking smoke grenades at enemies

[tribal pelican]

yes this

[thick wolf]

fatshark coming up with penances that don't make you play like a selfish prick challenge (impossible)

[final zealot]

You could shoot in the opposite direction and still headshot a gunner across the map with plasma lol

[tribal pelican]

hardest penance was easily overwatch most annoying armor bane and the smokes one becuse they both force you to use those nades in a way not at all intended

[final zealot]

Plasma feels more like a "to whom it may concern" type of hit registration

[shadow fable]

I wonder why fatshark doesn't just make a skin catalog. It's literally free money from stuff they've already made and it makes us complain a bit less.

[thick wolf]

I don't feel those are deservedly challenging since it forces you to play selfish

[final zealot]

I wanna attempt on overwatch, and the train mission seems like itd be best for that, but id probably have to get a coordinated team for that lol

[thick wolf]

smoke grenade penance is bad but I'd use it to my advantage to use a horde and throw a smoke nade at it if there were ranged enemies present

[final zealot]

Or have like 3 taunt ogryns

[tribal pelican]

people say this but corprate think tanks have done this research the FOMO inducing temp availability method 1000% makes more money then just having a open catalog other wise they would nto be doing it, fat shark is owned by tencent now and those people know how to suck the blood from thier player base

not to be a seething leftist or whatever

[shadow fable]

What about that was leftist?

[shadow fable]

That's weird tho. I find I'm more likely to buy a whole bunch of stuff at once if I want it, especially with 40k. Everyone goes crazy for stuff like the Krieg set so I'm not sure why fomo works better

[tribal pelican]

pointing out that anti consumer practices produce more income at least in America is considered a left leaning stance anything that violates the self regulating free market myth is leftist but I think this is skirting the rules of this disc a bit by discussing that so ima call off this convo atleast as politcs is concerned I was mainly just joking

[shadow fable]

I see. I forgot what true liberalism used to stand for lol

[tribal pelican]

Ill use me is an example I do not have a ogryn I do not know if I will ever have a ogryn, I own the ogryn kreig set becuse I bought it becuse if i DID have a ogryn i know id want it and dont know when i would get the chance again

[placid portal]

New Agripinaa Revolver is fun. It aint zarona but sure as hell feels good

[thick wolf]

I still fucking wish you aim with the agripinaa

[shadow fable]

Damn that sucks

[placid portal]

Empra guides our boolets

[thick wolf]

even using it as psyker it still feels awful

[tribal pelican]

we can theory craft about optimal economics of running a cosmetics store in game all we want but again tencent's current market cap is 500 billion ordo dockets these guys are paying a lot of very smart people to figure out the best way to extract capital from us

[thick wolf]

since my shots would go anywhere but the intended target because of its godawful accuracy

[shadow fable]

Seems to be a common infuriating theme with games now

[final zealot]

I miss when you could buy games and have the whole game with only the initial purchase : (

[tribal pelican]

also remember 90% of all revenue is from 10% of the player base wales is what they are called

[shadow fable]

I'm more than ok giving money to games that deserve it like DRG tho

[final zealot]

DRG THE GOAT

[tribal pelican]

I am admittedly part of the problem I have spent wayyyy to much money on aquillas

[shadow fable]

Literally so much free content, the game is cheap, all dlc's are nice cosmetics that don't cost much, all weapons are free and the build viability is IMMACULATE

[tribal pelican]

gota make a tier list for me DT>helldivers>DRG>VT2

[shadow fable]

I'm hoping space marine 2 stays on the right track. Very good right now and I hope it gets better with every update

I mean it only took them 2 years to get it out of what was essentially a beta

[tribal pelican]

DRG just does not do it for me like it used to Those developers are angels but I just simply have more fun playing helldivers or DT

[shadow fable]

Right now same but I always come back after a hiatus

[final zealot]

I dont mind MTX as long as its only cosmetics/non-mechanical stuff, and the MTX contributes to funding the development of the game

[shadow fable]

Helldivers 2 is doing pretty good rn too. I hope they continue with the way things are going right now

[tribal pelican]

DT and to a lesser extent HD2 are just such adrenalin rushes DRG gets intense but its just not such a rollercoaster of extreme highes and lows

[tribal pelican]

liberty day is coming oct26 we are expacting something related to the illuminate

[shadow fable]

Awesome. I hope I can finally get use out of my shock resistance armor

[rigid pilot]

DRG navigation is really fun and meshes 4 classes well

[shadow fable]

Feels quite good since they buffed almost everything and nerfed a bunch of enemies

[final zealot]

I have the most fun playing DRG, but I also think that it, like darktide doesnt have much of an endgame payoff

[shadow fable]

Though some stuff needs some more tweaks so you don't have to rely on some dlc weapons as much.

[tribal pelican]

DT like VT I think is one of the only games that does not need a "Late game payoff" fatshark really captured lightning in a bottle with the combat atleast for me the combat is just so fun and thrilling I don't really need any number go up to make my brain feel good

[thorn lark]

idk wdym taxe is the best weapon of course

[shadow fable]

For me the late game playoff is having a finished build with optimal gear. It makes the highest (most fun) difficulties feel great

[rigid schooner]

if it's so good how come ogryn don't get it

[tribal pelican]

is this true me and my main squad stopped playing helldivers becuse helldive difficulty just was not doing it for us anymore, was hopeing we would get something harder not mass nerfing lol

[final zealot]

Honostly i feel the itemization update killed a big part of the grind for me, like having to grind for good gear was something to do and work towards, now you can just kinda check the shop now and then and pick up a perfect roll weapon to upgrade, I kinda wish they took a middle route where the shop weapons had a lower max total than ones you could get from like high difficulty or auric missions or something, or some sort of way to tie in lategame gameplay with aquiring better gear

[shadow fable]

Yeah they buffed damage and durable damage (armor pen) on a lot of stuff so it feels very nice

fire too

[rigid pilot]

But also nerfed HMG for whatever reason

[tribal pelican]

well that payoff takes like 30min now

[shadow fable]

not factoring in leveling up the weapons from scratch and your character

If it takes no time it's because you've already passed the finish line

[tribal pelican]

you know you can master a weapon with brunt and hadron for 350k ordo dockets and 3500 plasteel right?

takes 5min

[thorn lark]

it is indeed quite a shame that ogryns do not have access to axish weaponry

[shadow fable]

for players who have been at that high level for a while

new players get a great experience rn

[tribal pelican]

tru tru

[shadow fable]

for us it's still good and we get penance stuff

[woven oak]

I wasn't sure I liked the double-barrelled shotgun. Then I put Man-Stopper on it.

[shadow fable]

the new player experience has improved significantly

speaking of which the starting liberator on HD2 is quite fun now

[tribal pelican]

idk I spent 2.2mil ordo dockets on heavy evis before the update I did not get a single "god roll" not even close I got a 3/4 evis which was still far off from what i wanted but still made jaws drop in zealot disc in the old system it was just simply next to impossible to actually get the weapons you wanted for your build

And if you wanted to try a diffrent weapon fucking forget about it hope you have another 3mill dockets to burn

getting the perfect weapon now is defiantly less rewarding but atleast its possible

im sure winning the lottery probably feels nice I just dont know if that a reliable source of income

[rigid pilot]

I don't get the "I miss the grind" arguments

Do they only play one class

[shadow fable]

The "grind" is also probably why the player base was stagnating and possibly shrinking

[dry cloak]

well i was always looking for good weapons and not god rolls because i dont have the patience to do that

[tribal pelican]

I understand just do not relate there are games that need the skinner box to be fun, I just think DT is not one of them even if upon booting up the game for the first time your character was level 20, and you could just pick your weapons free of charge, and missions didnt reward any exp or cash or anything I genuinly think the game would still be worth playing and there are very few games I can say that about

[tame void]

where do i buy these skins? been seeing a lot of people with them

[rigid schooner]

they're from mastery

[rigid pilot]

Isn't that just the max mastery skin

[tame void]

ohhh

[tribal pelican]

they freeee my dude

[rigid pilot]

Remember to claim it from Hestia

[tame void]

i see, thanks

so max mastery on a tree?

[rigid pilot]

Any tree yea

[thick wolf]

Hestia is keeping you from owning them because she realizes a lot of these skins look terrible lol

[rigid pilot]

Free stuff

[tribal pelican]

congratz on being inlove with the free skins i genuinely envy you my lad

[shadow fable]

It'd be nice if they weren't only tech priest theme but it's good we're getting more free unlockable stuff

[tribal pelican]

is that what the theme is? I thought it was picnic blanket?

[shadow fable]

Yeah it's tech adepts of Mars themed

[rigid pilot]

Skipping around atoma type

[shadow fable]

I think there's some omnisiah markings as well as their red coloring

Plus it would make sense since hadron is the one blessing and empowering our weapons

[thick wolf]

the knife mastery skin tho

[rigid schooner]

no it's candy cane, just look at the combat knife skin

[thick wolf]

just lmao

[dry cloak]

candy cane yum.

but pickaxe still metal

not yum

[shadow fable]

I still don't like the infantry Las one though. It has a wooden stock that clashes with the red and the shielding for the barrel is stripped off for some reason.

[dry cloak]

straight mag?

on boltpsitol

[placid portal]

Optimal Bolt slotting magazines

[shadow fable]

At least this one is cool

[tribal pelican]

my gf told me my bolter looked like it was all dressed up for a spring picnic and i can never unsee it

[thick wolf]

it looks more like someone at the mechanicus was watching way too many racing sports

[tribal pelican]

I KNOW RIGHT the double barrel made off like a mad man with that onbe

[shadow fable]

The boltgun one also disables the light for the select fire slider for some reason

[tribal pelican]

wait wtf how have i not noticed this

[shadow fable]

I kind of hate that it does that when I don't mind the skin normally

[thick wolf]

outlines ahoy

[tribal pelican]

I do genuinly like the bolter mastery skin jokes aside not many of them can i say that about

[shadow fable]

Yeah same

[thick wolf]

wait it actually turns off the fire selector's light?

[placid portal]

Imma be real I just found out the light right underneath the irons was fire mod selector just a week ago

[thorn lark]

Now you have time to grind to git gud

[tribal pelican]

EXACTLY the gind in dark tide is what it always should have been one of genuine skill

[placid portal]

How I found out was I was spam aiming and noticed the light shifting so I pay attention to it to see there having a bullet sign

[fallow flame]

meanwhile im trying to figure out the best gun to run to get the penance for not wasting a bullet

[placid portal]

1 bullet = Semi
3 Bullets = BRRR

[tribal pelican]

plasma

[shadow fable]

Plasma lol

Hit reg go brrr

[placid portal]

Buckshot shotgun

[placid portal]

1% ammo

[tribal pelican]

shredder auto pistol do it on hard mode for the memes

[shadow fable]

Don pick up ammo and no survivalist

[placid portal]

Yea + that and easy 100% acc

[shadow fable]

Yeah strangely

[tribal pelican]

it is 3:47am... i must bed gn yall

[placid portal]

Empra knows when you are sleeping

[manic moon]

Most ppl dont realise plasma has a side heatbar on the weapon either

Easier to see with higher fov

[deft crystal]

best versiion of the recon?

[shadow fable]

I can't remember what mk but it's blue and it's the fastest firing one

[deft crystal]

figures

ngl a warhammer anime

[shadow fable]

Infernus + dumdum + flak and maniac

Feel gud

[deft crystal]

+crit chance + maniac + dumdum + Headhunter

[shadow fable]

It's a tossup between dumdum and headhunter but infernus is very good with dumdum now after they fixed it

[shadow fable]

Gets you good boss damage and some faster ttk on specials

[deft crystal]

Waiit

they fiixed something?

also are sound ques stiill brokent? ifykyk

[shadow fable]

It would reset the dumdum effect if the fire was effecting a far enemy

[deft crystal]

The fire ticks add a extra dot

so its probabbly more dmg output

[shadow fable]

And I think infernus might trigger on crit so maybe even better with headhunter and crit chance but exe stance solves that without sacrificing your perk and blessing spots

[deft crystal]

cause its a secondary source + iniitiial impact

so itd make sense

I prefer voc

[shadow fable]

It's still good with voc but even better with exe

Hipfire feels great for close range quick special kills on the recon too

I love how it feels on mnk compared to how stiff it is on controller

[vapid crane]

average fatshark experience with my vet

[placid portal]

Me when I run a 1 hr stream podcast in the background

[deft crystal]

send me the exe buiild

[shadow fable]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d35e75a-8add-4da5-88ae-62b15193e762/recon-las-6

Works great for me and ttk is low even without onslaught

[deft crystal]

u really took rending over +5 crit chance

no get back in the ffight?

[shadow fable]

Get back in the fight is highly overrated

[deft crystal]

defend ur chhoices!!

also marksman focus

over focus targget?

[shadow fable]

The other one beside it gives you much more consistent regen

[shadow fable]

Focus target can be used but I find focus is actually really good on recon las and procs very often

Which allows you to have chink in their armor almost always

[placid portal]

The toughness regen when no enemy in 8m is surprisingly nice in a shootout

[shadow fable]

Get back in the fight just takes too long to cooldown

[placid portal]

True

[deft crystal]

II am

[placid portal]

0 toughness vet = dead vet

[shadow fable]

Ye

[deft crystal]

satisfiied with these explanations

continue on soldiah

[shadow fable]

You can take cirt of rending but up to you

[shadow fable]

[deft crystal]

what does rendingg do again

I always forget

[placid portal]

I find myself dead in 2 hits at 0 toughness so I dont think that burst of stamina would help much XP

[deft crystal]

so ii never use it

[deft crystal]

thats why voc

[shadow fable]

Enemy armor less for you is rending

[placid portal]

Increased damage % mod vs Flak/Carapace/Unyielding

[deft crystal]

better

[placid portal]

Unarmored and Infested ignore rending

[deft crystal]

crit gives ammo managment

[placid portal]

Despite boltguns having 66% dmg mod now iirc?

[shadow fable]

Rending is like brittlness but instead of whole team just for you

[deft crystal]

does infernus do weakspot

if iit procs off a weakspot hit

[shadow fable]

I don't think so

Whole body burning is probably just regular dot

[deft crystal]

See thhis is what I hate

tiny questiions

[shadow fable]

Still has really good dot tho

[placid portal]

What do people think about sustained fire on Agripinaa revolvo for boss killing?

[shadow fable]

Sustained fire do what again?

[placid portal]

20% damage on 2 3 4 5th shot

Or was it 2 3 4

Not sure if trick shot is better

[deft crystal]

Boys are we toxic elitist now? :sobb

[placid portal]

Depends

[shadow fable]

Revolver hasn't ever really been a good boss weapon

[deft crystal]

iif u aint puttin out 400k dmgg per mission

yer build is wronmg

[shadow fable]

Better off just building it for what it's good at

[placid portal]

But muh agripinaa 5 shot boss nuke 🥹

[deft crystal]

OR ur playingg with a gunker running assail

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/western-gun-spinning-red-dead-redemption-john-marston-gif-22767825

[shadow fable]

See there's different but fun and just straight up wrong. Like not running brutal momentum on an axe

[shadow fable]

[placid portal]

Not choosing to ignore hit mass in hoarde melee? Preposterous

Counter sniping snipers with Agripinaa is Hilarious

[shadow fable]

Indubitably

[placid portal]

Fastest hand in the West of Eye of Terror

[shadow fable]

But wait it gets funnier with the db shotgun

[placid portal]

Not sure how to make it work?

[shadow fable]

Just a well placed shot is usually enough to take out a sniper if they're in the open

Even if they're kinda far

[uncut pebble]

All DOT's deal damage to the body armor type.

[shadow fable]

Rainfrog

[placid portal]

Does it have to crit?

[shadow fable]

Not in my experience

Just don't brace fire

Might just be because of fullbore

[placid portal]

Does run and gun spirinting reduced spread help

[shadow fable]

Probably but I don't use that

[deft crystal]

ammo consumption is to higgh

with this build

[shadow fable]

For shotgun or lasgun?

[deft crystal]

recon

[shadow fable]

It's a bit high but a small ammo here and there usually gets me through just fine

Unless you're magdumping into hordes

[uncut pebble]

Not me averaging 500k+ damage with my gunker every game...

[deft crystal]

flame psycher is worse

1 mil damage potential

For vets its 500k dmgg potentiial

[uncut pebble]

This is just blatantly false.

[deft crystal]

for ogryn and zealot

well

[uncut pebble]

Everyone has unbelievably high damage potential.

[deft crystal]

Well yeah potential could be inf

[uncut pebble]

Especially vet.

[deft crystal]

But ttk iis what it comes down to

ttk for psy is higher than vet no?

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, and soulblaze doesn't kill very fast.

[deft crystal]

err lower i mean

[shadow fable]

Depends on the enemy

[uncut pebble]

Vet just says "fuck you, die, heretic" and obliterates anything in front of him like he's Dr. Manhattan.

[shadow fable]

Vet can 1-3 shot most enemies with melee and especially guns

[uncut pebble]

There's like 5 different talents that are straight up damage increases.

[shadow fable]

Ye

[uncut pebble]

The 30% weakspot on the left, superiority complex, rending strikes, bring it down, and desperado.

[shadow fable]

And the Longshot ones

[uncut pebble]

Psyker now has... malefic and... the rending at 75% peril one.

Those are the ones that can compare to vets talents.

[deft crystal]

See now thats all well and good

if iit wasnt for the averagge players aim 💀

or peoples neeed to magdump

Cause psy dmg upkeep and spray

make up for the player

[uncut pebble]

This is also just incorrect.

[deft crystal]

is it?

[uncut pebble]

Please go play psyker.

[deft crystal]

I have

I usually do when I dont want to aim on vet

[uncut pebble]

Not long enough, it seems.

[deft crystal]

cause i just spray infferno

[deft crystal]

honestly be an interestiing test

put a average player on both builds

and see what does better

[uncut pebble]

It's still gonna be vet.

[deft crystal]

We dont know fo sure

[uncut pebble]

Pretty sure I do.

Can't say the same for you, though.

[deft crystal]

bbro how?

have u put a vet and psycher in the same game?

[uncut pebble]

Yes?

[vapid nacelle]

wait what's the discussion about

[uncut pebble]

Damage potential of vet vs psyker.

[deft crystal]

ooo

so vet overall diid better?

[shadow fable]

Vet is usually killing much more things much faster unless Psyker is left to actually be able to kill the things overtime

[uncut pebble]

Yes, just about every time.

[fickle narwhal]

what do you guys think about this weapon, does it worth?

[deft crystal]

I stand corrected then

[vapid nacelle]

Average player? I think they'd probably tie or somewhere close, but Psyker's a high skill class no?

[uncut pebble]

That's a really nice helbore if you don't already have one.

Yes.

Psyker is very squishy.

Very hard to play correctly.

One small mistake can be fatal.

[vapid nacelle]

like I've played Psyker more than I've played Vet by a significant amount, but I still only compare in damage to my Vet usually in matches

[shadow fable]

If the 70% on the top right is stopping power it's probably better to look for a closer to perfect one at the armory

[deft crystal]

I hhate these stupid emojiis hovering

[vapid nacelle]

But then I occasionally see a good Psyker in the game and they're several hundred k over everyone else

[fickle narwhal]

thanks then i'm gonna buy it

[deft crystal]

I did not mean to put that nerd emoji on the msg

[fickle narwhal]

is it that bad? i have tons of grenade to stop hordes

[uncut pebble]

But vet can just eat and dish out insane damage without caring at all.

[shadow fable]

Stopping power helps general dmg quite a bit for everything

[uncut pebble]

Entire rager packs, obliterated, ogryns, krak'd...

[deft crystal]

I prefer shredders 🥺

[shadow fable]

70 isn't bad but a perfect is so easy to get now

[uncut pebble]

This is why I said it's good if they don't already have one.

70% stopping power, I don't think changes any meaningful breakpoints from 80%.

[shadow fable]

It's easy to get perfect now so maybe save melk mkney

I've seen lots of perfect weapons in the armory as of late that just need empowering

[fickle narwhal]

is stopping power the most important stat on weapons? i don't know much about stats to be honest

[uncut pebble]

Tell that to the 200 force swords I've rolled...

[shadow fable]

No but still important

[uncut pebble]

Not a damn one with warp res as the dump...

[shadow fable]

Lol before or after patch?

[uncut pebble]

After.

[shadow fable]

Weapons usually only have one dump stat and it's almost always mobility

[shadow fable]

Damn bro, 🫡

[uncut pebble]

Use the inspect menu to see what stats do.

[deft crystal]

grenade regen or rending

[uncut pebble]

Grenade regen, always.

[deft crystal]

yeaaa

FML DUDE

I knew thee answer

just needed to confirm

[shadow fable]

Grenade regen but I find you can get away with the 5% chance to get a grenade on anyone killing a special

[deft crystal]

ohhhh

so you dont get that point tax

[shadow fable]

It's not as bad as you think unless specials aren't showing up which is weird unless you're playing low diff

[deft crystal]

when you come down from krak

[shadow fable]

Only by one but ye

[shadow fable]

I usually come down from shredder but yes

[deft crystal]

Kraks are

just to op

for vet

[shadow fable]

Eh

[deft crystal]

cause that covers its one major weakness

bigg melee uniits

[uncut pebble]

Kraks are fine.

You either get the ogryn deleting button or the mixed horde deleting button.

[shadow fable]

Shredders stagger everything and kill most stuff. Good for res, horde clear, stagger, and they're really good with lethal proximity right now

[uncut pebble]

If you run smokes... that's definitely a choice.

[shadow fable]

Not that kraks are bad but there's definitely better choices for your regular weapons to deal with heavy stuff

[deft crystal]

Commando builds fun but dont bring them to auric maelstrom unless ur a toughness regen support

[shadow fable]

Vet should always have toughness regen support for team

[uncut pebble]

Kid named plasma:

[shadow fable]

Kid named bolter now

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun is so fuckin good now man I haven't seen plasma in ages.

[deft crystal]

bistol

[uncut pebble]

Bolt pistol can actually hit reliable crusher 3taps in less than a second on weapon specialist.

[deft crystal]

I always triied to stick to the bbolter but plasma was bbetter for orthrus

[shadow fable]

Delete boss health, 1-3 shots for any special (boltgun that is)

[deft crystal]

Which btw orthrus was difficult but not in a faiir way.

[shadow fable]

Usually 1 shots bodies on not so tanky specials

[uncut pebble]

Don't waste boltgun ammo on specialists.

[shadow fable]

So you don't want me to shoot the sniper starring me down?

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun is much more suited to target rich environments.

[deft crystal]

Oh wait yknow

[shadow fable]

It's good for both

[deft crystal]

shredders might be objectivly better

[uncut pebble]

That's a different situation, that sniper NEEDS to die.

[fickle narwhal]

my poor bolter has the power at the lowest stat (still working really good to be honest)

[deft crystal]

versatiility in a horde shooter is kingg

[shadow fable]

I find my ammo is good enough to deal with any special I see without picking up much ammo

[uncut pebble]

I'm meaning like, if you see a trapper running towards you, don't waste the 3 bullets to kill it when you could just dodge it and decapitate it with whatever melee you're running.

[deft crystal]

Warren 6-19 maelstrom. that first part is pain

[shadow fable]

Yeah sometimes but when they're a little far I don't want it to get hairy for anyone

[deft crystal]

only issue with recon is thhose sights

[shadow fable]

Plus there's no harm since I'm stopping a potential down for an overwhelmed teammate and my ammo will be fine

[deft crystal]

and the spread sometiimes

[shadow fable]

Hipfire baby unless it's a single sniper or gunner far away

[lusty sapphire]

The amount of ammo in this game makes that a bit irrelevant, as long as you're not shooting all the hordes, you will almost never run out

[shadow fable]

Das what I've been saying

[uncut pebble]

Well, take my opinion on the boltgun with a grain of salt. I don't have an ammo reserve talent or survivalist on zealout...

[deft crystal]

rashaad or power sword?

[placid portal]

Depends when you wanna hack things or slash things

[lusty sapphire]

Well zealots have knives, and if zealots don't use them to oneshot specials they shouldn't be zealots

[shadow fable]

They both deal with everything but power sword is slightly less mobile

[deft crystal]

we all know its preference

[uncut pebble]

And what if I'm not using tknives?

[fickle narwhal]

Rashad my beloved chop heads never have been feeling better

[uncut pebble]

(this is a joke, I am always using tknives)

[thorny gorge]

[deft crystal]

ur sus...

are u a commando -.-

[placid portal]

Rashad Decapitator is funny

[thorny gorge]

Flame nades all the way

[lusty sapphire]

You sneak some in the mission through your orifices

[thorny gorge]

[uncut pebble]

AYO

Slaaneshi heretic...

[shadow fable]

Very good alternative compared to soul sucking power sword gameplay

[lusty sapphire]

I can see a zealot shoving blessed knives where the light of the emprah doesn't shine

[placid portal]

But I sure do love the Push thrust overhead deathblow 🥹

[shadow fable]

Charge slash slash slash charge slash slash slash charge slash slash slash and occasional push poke for crusher head

[placid portal]

I like claw, parry all the RAGERS

[uncut pebble]

Honestly, power sword feels really good with a laspistol as your secondary.

The utility a laspistol brings to the table is great.

[shadow fable]

Why a laspistol over other fast weapons?

[uncut pebble]

Because laspistol has extreme mobility and a push as its special.

[placid portal]

Las pistol is fun

[uncut pebble]

You can push a burster with your special.

And the mobility and speed make up for power sword's lack of it.

[shadow fable]

A lot of specials can do that actually to varying degrees

Ever thundercunted your boltgun into a pox burster

[placid portal]

But if the special does damage wont it detonate the burster?

[uncut pebble]

Well, they don't have the other thing, which is the mobility.

[uncut pebble]

It doesn't, and bursters have a fair bit of hp.

[shadow fable]

Not unless they've been peppered enough

[uncut pebble]

Takes 2 bodyshot tknives to kill one.

Just trust me on this one, power sword and laspistol together goes hard.

[placid portal]

Finding myself being a victim to bursterd

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1293861255559249920/image.png?ex=6708e9b2&is=67079832&hm=02c360e2dfc57f322bdbf13a324f1a9f18751da92de042cd87cd8bb1b8439ca1&

[deft crystal]

The commisar hhat is temptingg

but 900 for any helmet that isnt the closed one with glowy eyes

seems a bbit much

[shadow fable]

Tempestus Scion helm

[thorny gorge]

Is it back?

[shadow fable]

With no matching set even though it's in the files because fatshark

[pseudo fiber]

The commissar hat with the eye is good

[pseudo fiber]

Still not finished though :(

[shadow fable]

No he was talking about it and didn't know the name

[thorny gorge]

Sadge

[shadow fable]

Sorry to get your hopes up big man

I bought it when it came out but no matching set and no neck covering is slightly infuriating for the price

[deft crystal]

bboys

fatshark

[shadow fable]

Scion helm, drop trooper chest, snow trooper legs

[uncut pebble]

Not having coverings on the bare parts of the faces on most cosmetics angers me greatly.

[thorny gorge]

Thats it

[shadow fable]

Looking back I kind of want the drop trooper set for my vet

[uncut pebble]

What angers me even more are the ones that clip with ALMOST EVERY CHESTPIECE VETERAN HAS SO YOU CANT MIX AND MATCH STUFF.

[shadow fable]

What about the balding psyker hood?

[placid portal]

Kinda sad how the gun poses for End screen is not variable on loadout 😔

[uncut pebble]

I dont know what you're talking about off the top of my head.

[shadow fable]

The psyker hood makes your psyker bald

Deletes all hair from head

Look upon it and realize thy disgust

[uncut pebble]

I still don't know which cosmetic this is.

[pseudo fiber]

The steel legion one?

[shadow fable]

All of them

Any hooded psyker headpiece removes hair

[uncut pebble]

Oh wait yes I do I'm just being dumb.

Yeah, those.

I know they do that.

But you're not supposed to be able to see the top of your head anyway.

[shadow fable]

But what if I want my psyker to have hair dangling to the side of the face with the hood on? :(

[meager topaz]

What are the good blessings for the shredder pistol?

[pseudo fiber]

Pinning fire blaze away

[shadow fable]

A different gun jk idk

[deft crystal]

bro 💀

[deft crystal]

diiscard it

[hardy marlin]

inspiring+blaze away/cavalcade according to the guide

with flak and maniac

[shadow fable]

It just does what the infantry autogun and other pistols do but worse

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/hugo-weaving-lord-of-the-rings-gif-12671347

[shadow fable]

Turn it into plasteel for other weapons lol

[placid portal]

Which is why we put it in fire, to reclaim the metal

[shadow fable]

Waste not what the omnisiah holds dear

[placid portal]

Also hadron: 🧱

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[shadow fable]

[placid portal]

Hadron can no longer brick our guns I guess

So hadron brick meme is losing stock value?

[shadow fable]

Fortunately she is a good tech priest now

[hardy marlin]

now all the blame is on brunt

[placid portal]

Mobian steel of old musta awaken her good side

[placid portal]

HE IS DOING HIS BEST 😭😭😭

[shadow fable]

She on that good shit now 😂

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-gif-26527456

[hardy marlin]

im still looking for a revolver after like 3 days

[shadow fable]

Is brunt the servitor? Or some other dude?

[placid portal]

Not ogryn fault manual told im to hamma the gun 3 times before selling

[uncut pebble]

Brunt is an ogryn.

[shadow fable]

Oh lol

[placid portal]

Brunt is Ogryn in the vendor at the back

[shadow fable]

The basher descriptions makes more sense now

[uncut pebble]

You see him in cutscenes while leveling your character.

[placid portal]

Brunt takes guns given by inquisitions likely salvaged from dead rejects to fix and sell 😭

[shadow fable]

Brunt is a good fella

[placid portal]

Though figures that brunt is not a talker so he mist be bestest ogryn.
Ogryn of few words makes him the bestest

[uncut pebble]

He's currently missing, actually.

The people on the mourningstar can't find him.

[placid portal]

F our big pal

[uncut pebble]

Morrow has a line something along the lines of "You'd think it'd be hard to lose an ogryn."

[placid portal]

Reminds me of the Rashun Ogryn talkin about Morrow calling him a SoB during conversation with Cadia vet

[grand perch]

Brunt is just undercover getting those red weapons down on Atoma

[placid portal]

Lol red weapons, vermintidr confirmed?

[grand perch]

So he can sell them for dockets and not have Halowette fleece us for aquilas

[placid portal]

Or melk bucks

[fallow flame]

I still like the gag joke between me and one of my friends when im running the Spearhead Bolter and shoot someone

"I heard the sound of a bolter so No!"
"I mean there is....most of him left. How do you know?"
Comes over and checks "his upper body is gone. Would you survive that?"
"Well no but-"

[stoic thorn]

I'm going the smoke tree

[deft crystal]

NO

BAD VET

STAY AWAY!!!

[idle pecan]

can someone help me figure out what to do with all my dumbass guns lmao

[fallow flame]

Ironically i think i mangled my veteran class

[deft crystal]

sac em

[placid portal]

5% Movement speed

[pseudo fiber]

Crunch them into mastery exp

[lavish solar]

Actually how do you use smoke grenade

Other than huffing I mean

[fallow flame]

between you and ranged units

-its concealment

[idle pecan]

snipers dont count tho

[placid portal]

Try open areas

[idle pecan]

or bombers

[lavish solar]

So not directly under myself

[idle pecan]

they stagger enemies

[placid portal]

Bombers got the 5th sense

[idle pecan]

and if you sit in the smoke ranged enemies will run up to you and melee you

stops gunner spam but like...so does shooting them

[lavish solar]

Ahh that’s actually pretty nice

What about throwing them onto a pack of ranged?

I think they’ll scatter and try to move out of the smoke right?

[idle pecan]

they'll run toward you until they're out of the smoke, and then shoot you

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

[lavish solar]

Got it, thanks guys

[idle pecan]

they do get staggered tho iirc

[lavish solar]

[idle pecan]

smoke grenades should apply a DOT to all enemies within

make it a anti plague grenade that stuns all enemies within

[deft crystal]

anti nurgle plague that puts a dot

[idle pecan]

similar to the zealot stun nades but they cant stagger bosses

[deft crystal]

see

[dire olive]

Smoke is Tesco value bubble shield

[deft crystal]

now thhat would bbe a holy grenade

[manic moon]

U can also smoke dhs to run past them melee range or has it been fixed?

[idle pecan]

i mean

holy hand grenade please

[deft crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-hand-grenade-antioch-gif-13499233

[deft crystal]

YES

[lavish solar]

Actually make it out out fires

[deft crystal]

YYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[stoic thorn]

Alright rhen

[idle pecan]

or make it a gas grenade

[stoic thorn]

I'll just go the shredder route

[lavish solar]

That’s definitely not done in any other game /j

[idle pecan]

shredders are the best for general use, krak grenades are good if your melee/primary cant deal with crushers and they deal boat loads of damage to bosses.

smoke grenades are incredibly niche

the best CC is the one that kills them.

[manic moon]

And its a pain for plebs who dont use mods and get vision obscured

[lavish solar]

Yes but vaping seems so fun

I kind want to try it out

[manic moon]

It is fun

[idle pecan]

in my 200+ hours of playing, i have never seen another vet run smoke grenades.

[fallow flame]

but uh

yeah i made a mess of my class

[stoic thorn]

PLASMA GUNNER YEAAAH

[idle pecan]

need more plasma weapons

[fallow flame]

i have survivalist, krak grenades, and two uses of infiltrate

[lavish solar]

Actually one of my friends who somewhat recently created a vet character takes it

Rarely uses it tho

[stoic thorn]

Plasma pistol

[idle pecan]

plasma grenade launcher for ogryn

[lavish solar]

That seems like a huge points toll no?

[idle pecan]

yall seen the plasma incinerator in the new space marine 2 game?

give that to ogryn imo

[lavish solar]

Going down the middle for krak, then left for the aura and full right for the ability

[manic moon]

I mean its fine?

[fallow flame]

I mean, i went for smokes first because it was funny but i got bored not being able to blow things up

[manic moon]

Far from optima but should ve useable

[fallow flame]

and i kept running out of ammo and was like Im putting on Survivalist

[lavish solar]

True, just wondering the reasons for doing it

[fallow flame]

just told you

[lavish solar]

Yeah I saw

[idle pecan]

pardon the new view, but what should i do with each of these

[deft crystal]

Sacrifice them to masteriies

[idle pecan]

all of them????

[deft crystal]

The ones you dont use igg

[idle pecan]

ah ok

cus once i get the masteries i can make any of them anyway right

[deft crystal]

No

U can re bless and refine

but the stat rolls youll have to gambble for

then you'll have to empower them

So you can make any of them yes, but itd be a bbit of a cost to empower

[pseudo fiber]

Well what are the stat splits?

[deft crystal]

Unless you get super lucky stat spread

[pseudo fiber]

Any 60 mobilities keep those