veteran-class

[misty delta]

buuut I’ve also had some questionable ones too

they’re simply being lore accurate

[barren tiger]

I get the ones that blame everyone else when they go down quite a bit

Role playing ogryn are a good laugh tho

[formal relic]

does anyone have any tips for using the combat shotgun?

[misty delta]

I find that an Ogryn’s skill is directly proportional to how much they commit to role play. I have yet to find evidence that disputes this

[misty delta]

shotguns in general or is there a specific one you want to know about?

[formal relic]

The combat shotguns in general, not the double barrel. I'm using it to level up and am just finding them in general a bit underwhelming

level up the combat shotgun I mean. My character itself is level 30

[misty delta]

I find the one with the slug to be the best for general use. The slug is basically a revolver shot and you have the option to mag dump if things get hectic

use full bore / no respite for blessings

some people use executioner’s stance to kill things at longer ranges, but I find that the focus target keystone to be sufficient enough

[barren tiger]

100%

[glacial marlin]

Facts

[woven oak]

For the pinned guide, is there a key as for what the red, yellow, dark blue, and light blue backgrounds mean?

[radiant adder]

Yo.

Combat axe / hacker / weapon specialist is such a fun combo.

[misty delta]

hacker?

[radiant adder]

the double barrel.

[ebon prism]

Is this a good roll?

apparently the Ammo is the dumpstat for the plasma gun?

[radiant adder]

I'd not dump ammo personally but that's just me

[ebon prism]

what about this?

thermal resistance

[radiant adder]

That looks goood to me

[misty delta]

yeah you either dump thermal or charge speed depending on preference

[ebon prism]

heh, thermal. I'll be venting anyway most of the time

thanks!

[tall torrent]

red, newly added this patch
yellow, old single tier options, now multi-tier

[woven oak]

Thank you.

[tall torrent]

usable but if u want perfect roll it needs a super specific distribution

80 dmg, 80 stopping power, 80 ammo, 69 thermal resist, 71 charge rate

[misty delta]

innit like 69% gets you one extra shot

69 thermal*

[tall torrent]

it's the only weapon in the game without a dump stat

[misty delta]

prolly cuz it’s the only one without mobility kekw

[tall torrent]

nah, helbore doesn't have mobility and it's got clear dump

mobility is not always dump either

[ebon prism]

Heh, I'll have some fun with it. I'll reroll perhaps later

[misty delta]

what weapons dont dump mobility?

[woven oak]

Why is cleave targets the dump stat for the power sword rather than mobility? I guess with brutal momentum and powered attacks it adds no breakpoints?

[vestal widget]

laspistol dumps stability because half the reason to take it is to zoom and also i can't tell the difference between 60 and 80 stab on it

[tall torrent]

power sword
chainaxe

[vestal widget]

shotgun also dumps stability

[opaque crane]

bolt weapons seem pretty good this patch

[misty delta]

for p.sword its cleave targets (correct me if I’m wrong) and I assume chaxe has defense as a stat

[vestal widget]

bolt pistol dumps collateral

[tall torrent]

ya

[misty delta]

defense is such a meme stat

[woven oak]

Why is that, if you don't mind my asking? I enjoy knowing the Deep Lore of mechanics.

[opaque crane]

how impactful is the jump from 60% mobility to 80% on psword?

[vestal widget]

duelling sword often dumps cleave damage

[opaque crane]

I've always had mobility around 60% on it

[misty delta]

only on mk4 but that’s the mk you should be using anyways 🤷

[vestal widget]

i also have a ... whichever mk of duelling sword has defence + mobility stats with penetration dumped for speed memes

[tall torrent]

because going frm 10.9 to 11.7 cleave doesn't make much difference overall

[vestal widget]

azreal mentioned dumping cleave damage for BM and cleave targets for sunder power sword iirc

[misty delta]

I’d trust it if azreal said it

makes a lot of sense too

[vestal widget]

dclaw also dumps cleave targets iirc instead of mobility

[misty delta]

okay that’s kinda strange. I’d have to see the number difference

[faint beacon]

You really only dump cleave targets with like BM tbh

Or well weapons with BM and you plan to keep BM on it

Or Deathblow if you use Heavy Sword

[misty delta]

they should’ve just called it BM but heavy sword had to be special

[faint beacon]

Literally it’s infinite cleave as long as you keep hitting headshots so like

You may as well move the stats into Defenses or Mobility for movement or well stamina

[uncut pebble]

You think that's funny, go look at shred on force swords...

[vestal widget]

someone told me that the cleave distribution difference isn't that big in practice but i also haven't tested it myself yet bcuz loadout config is apparently still broken

[uncut pebble]

Same blessing, same amount of crit chance, but it has a completely different icon.

[misty delta]

damn psykers…

[vestal widget]

lol, i thought it was the icon for blazing spirit going off when i was testing the meme force sword at start of this patch

very confused and then i finally looked at the list of icons...

[radiant sedge]

Been running the Double Barrel for the last few days with Weapon Spec and Always prepared, really liking it.
What's the standard setup for Double barrel? Thinking +25% Flak/Maniac and then Manstopper + whatever blessing makes sense.
Also, is the dump stat Mobility or Reload Speed?

[steady ibex]

Is Collateral actually an important stat on the Bolter?

[misty delta]

idk about perks but dump reload if using Both Barrels (blessing) otherwise dump mobility imo

[misty delta]

not really it still has insane stagger at 60%

[steady ibex]

Cool so I can live with this stat dist

[radiant sedge]

I'm really liking both barrels actually, was thinking about Deadshot to just make up for the lack of scattershot

[misty delta]

if you’re running weapon spec you dont really need deadshot or scattershot. That being said, deadshot would certainly help if you’re struggling to consistently get 3 WS stacks

[indigo edge]

What's the dump stat for the chainsword?

[steady ibex]

Also, what's the dump stat for Helbore?

[indigo edge]

Stability

Hardly moves even at 60%

[steady ibex]

Thanks!

[misty delta]

I cant check the game atm but I’m gonna safely assume mobility

[indigo edge]

I hope so

Found this, why I asked lol

[misty delta]

okay yeah with those options it has to be mobility xd

[steady ibex]

Dump for Plasma Gun?

[misty delta]

it’s.. complicated

ideally you get 69 thermal res / 71 charge rate

[steady ibex]

Bruh

[misty delta]

but if you’re not picky about perfect rolls you can dump either thermal or charge

based on pref

[trim steppe]

What FauxFox said, but if you want an easy/cheap option just dump charge rate

[steady ibex]

OK good, I happen to have 59% charge

Blessings/perks for it?

Perks I assume flak/maniac

[misty delta]

gets hot / blaze away for blessings

[trim steppe]

Gets hot and rising heat or Gloryhunter or blaze away

[misty delta]

I’d only go gloryhunter if you are using exe stance to compensate for not having a toughness-generating ability

[steady ibex]

So the general pick is gets hot & blaze away?

[misty delta]

that’s the general consensus, yes

[trim steppe]

Gets hot and rising heat is the meta

[misty delta]

there’s other good options like yeah rising heat

[trim steppe]

Rising heat let's you hit BPs by managing high heat, blaze away let's you hit BPs by mag dumping

[slow spade]

Plasma is funny

[trim steppe]

For perks you want flak and either elite or unarmored, generally

[slow spade]

All the stats are good

Which makes things difficult...

[trim steppe]

With plasma generally you also want to use the focus targets keystone versus the others

But in general plasma is good enough that you can do whatever you want and have a good time

[steady ibex]

Gotcha, guess I'll take elite

[trim steppe]

I'm changing my plasma from elite damage perk to unarmored, because it lets you 1shot body shot the tox bombers, otherwise it takes 2 and the first one knocks him over and makes him hard to finish off. And tox bombers need to die yesterday or the fuck your shit up

[steady ibex]

Generally speaking, are there any 'best' weapons for Veteran or are they all pretty balanced?

[misty delta]

“tox bombers need to die yesterday” amen to that

[trim steppe]

Plasma, revolver, Vraks IAG, Rashad, knife

[somber axle]

Most weapons are pretty balanced

[slow spade]

Zarona revolver, plasma, and Vraks mk5 are vets top ranged options

[somber axle]

There are only a few outliers

[slow spade]

Idk how Dueling sword and heavy sword stack up

Though it doesn't look good

[woven oak]

I know revolver is better, but I have been enjoying the bolt pistol

[misty delta]

there’s a lot of “S tier” vet weapons and the fact that everyone will give you different answers is proof that they are fairly well balanced at least at the top

[slow spade]

"Different answers"

[steady ibex]

Cool cool, basically play whatever is fun

[somber axle]

Zarona Revolver, Recon Mk XII, Vraks Infantry Autogun, Plasma and Rashad Mk III Combat Axe are some of the strongest weapons right now

The only really weak weapon is the Shredder Autopistol

[misty delta]

am I wrong?

[slow spade]

I doubt anyone contests that zarona revolver, plasma, Vraks mk5, Rashad Combat axe, and powersword aren't at the top

[misty delta]

some people would put recon and bolters in there

[somber axle]

Boltpistol combos with Shredder Frag Grenade and Lethal Proximity (with more grenade talents like Tinkerer, Demo Stockpile, etc.) to be one of the top performing Vet builds too

[trim steppe]

The only "bad" weapons rn are tac axes and they still work

[slow spade]

Yet those same weapons still appear

[steady ibex]

I've seen telopots on YT do some work with Bolter

[slow spade]

It recently got a massive buff

[steady ibex]

Seems very good

[slow spade]

Performs very well now

[somber axle]

Boltgun is definitely much better now yeah

[misty delta]

how many weapons must we add to top tier before we start listing everything in the armory

[slow spade]

??? You act as if I listed even a quarter of the weapons

[somber axle]

Tbh I try to list the top 3 or top 5 weapons LOL

[slow spade]

Don't argue semantics on irrefutably true things

[somber axle]

But a lot of stuff is really well balanced right now

[trim steppe]

Almost everything is A tier, the s-tier list is the same 5-6 weapons as it has been for the past 12 months

[misty delta]

sigh.. the point is that everything is viable, can we at least agree on that?

[slow spade]

No because power sword needs a buff

😎

[somber axle]

Yeah you can even run Shredder Autopistol in Aurics if you're silly enough

Don't use it in no ammo Maelstroms though

[slow spade]

I still find it funny how much they nerfed autopistol

[misty delta]

I didnt even like it before the nerfs kekw

[slow spade]

It was something insane like effectively -50% damage

[slow spade]

They didn't have to do shredder pistol that dirty 😔

[misty delta]

true

[slow spade]

I still need to try the heavy sword

[misty delta]

https://tenor.com/view/this-man-true-get-this-man-a-true-true-this-man-horse-gif-27541147

[slow spade]

I keep putting it off trying new builds

[novel stone]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-hes-right-you-know-hes-right-you-know-meme-gif-27526609

[trim steppe]

Heavy sword 9 feels pretty good

[slow spade]

I wonder if I should subject myself to lvling normally or just mass dumping like 100 weapons again

[misty delta]

I keep switching between two heavy swords because I cant tell the difference between them xd

[slow spade]

I knew it was worth keeping every weapon since release 🙏

[slow spade]

Probably moveset differenences

[misty delta]

defo the case

[slow spade]

The numbers always look funky on the inspect screen

Wish I could trust them :c

[misty delta]

one of them has a vertical H1 and horizontal H2 + H3 that chain infinitely and idk which mk does that

[trim steppe]

Same lol. I maxed my mastery after the patch without playing a single mission

I had enough greens to max everything

[misty delta]

I was a fool and ate all my stuff for blessings 😭

even my ordos

[slow spade]

Interesting, will have to keep an eye on that

[trim steppe]

That's the mk9

[slow spade]

Such is life

At least now you can earn it again in the name of the Emperor

[misty delta]

only in death does the grind end

[trim steppe]

In case anyone doesn't know, greens and oranges give the same mastery, you get more mastery the higher the rating of the weapon and if you're sacrificing a weapon of the same family that you're raising mastery for. Save your oranges for selling to get plasteel

[slow spade]

"End of the grind gamer" -The Emperor's last words to Horus

[slow spade]

Oh I just selected everything on my screen lol

Iirc I sacrificed roughly 400 or so weapons

A small loss UwU

[trim steppe]

You get like 3-5x mastery if the weapon is the same family. E.g. sacrificing recons for recon mastery

[slow spade]

Yeah...

Some weapons I gave more attention than others

I think I had to sacrifice like 60 items or something stupid like that for the bolter

As I used it once at lvl 15 and never again

The first time I've used a bolter since release was yesterday 😩

[trim steppe]

You only need like 3 high rating green bolters to raise your bolter mastery 1 tier. So like 20 and you're maxed if you started with any mastery from blessings

[slow spade]

Heh 😎

[trim steppe]

But the "throw everything at it at random" approach works too if you don't care about your resources lol

[slow spade]

As a lvl 600 vet, I may have neglected the bolter

[slow spade]

Yeah...

[trim steppe]

600? Damn. Do you play other classes?

[slow spade]

No lol

I only have a lvl 30 zealot and ogryn

[trim steppe]

My vet is like 240. But my account level is like 850

[slow spade]

Solely because I wanted to understand why they were so shit in QP

[slow spade]

I like Vet c:

[misty delta]

did you find out why?

[slow spade]

Ogryn would probably my 2nd I had to

[slow spade]

The other players are dogshit

[misty delta]

I was expecting no to be the answer but this is acceptable too

[slow spade]

"Oh my ogryn can handle Damnation at lvl 11"

I had to beg players to not instantly level upon seeing me in auric damnation

It was funny

[trim steppe]

When I leveled my second ogryn I was hard solo carrying lvl30s through damnation at like lvl 12

[slow spade]

"I know what it looks like but trust me I have a positive IQ"

This was when Ogryn has the funny pre-nerf "bleed upon heavy attack"

I probably wouldn't try that shit now

Zealot was mostly me abusing eviscerator stagger + flame nades

And using the slug shotgun for when vets don't do their job

Allowing me to conclude "man the average player just sucks"

No psyker because I like guns

[misty delta]

always has, always will 🚬

[trim steppe]

Gun psyker is very effective and fun, actually

[slow spade]

Yeah but you need gaze and other talents

[trim steppe]

Leveling a psyker feels very bad tho

[slow spade]

I guess I could slug it out until lvl 4 and abuse assail

But honestly it just didn't seem worth it and my brother plays psyker

So I can just hear him rant while he's in aurics

"Did they fix Warp Unbound? No? Then I'm playing Divinity"

[thorny gorge]

What a chad

Me too

[real flicker]

anyone got a good talent tree to pair with recon lasgun

for auric maelstroms

[zinc surge]

on vet btw how come tac axe is saying 32% crit? i took 5% crit node but crit mod is showing this, cant be right?

base is 12% + 5% crit node where is the other 15% coming from?

[misty delta]

my guess would be the Crit Bonus stat on the weapon itself

idk if it goes as high as 15% tho

[broken spade]

taxe has a lot of crit

could inspect it and check the crit bonus stat. 15% sounds about right though

[zinc surge]

still doesnt account for 15% crit over the weapons 12% base ( + 5% crit node)

[misty delta]

🤷

[broken spade]

oh weird

[misty delta]

must be a blessing from the god emperor

[zinc surge]

was weird is when i block, it goes to 20% crit ...

[broken spade]

what if you empty your tree?

[zinc surge]

will try 1 sec

[shadow fable]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d34f255-be30-4f0d-a8a6-2b2aa38de2a1/recon-lasgun-9

My personal build

[zinc surge]

if i empty tree i get 15% crit which is even weird cuz base weapon is 12% so where is 3%crit coming from

does vet get 3% bonus crit to melee weps or something?

[tall torrent]

5% class base crit chance
5% crit chance talent
12% tactical axe
10% desperado

[somber axle]

Recon Mk XII

With 3 points leftover to spend as you like. Can get Skirmisher and Weapon Specialist if you like the extra melee and ranged attack speed. You could go Focus Target and Redirect Fire if you want a tiny bit more damage. You could even skip keystones entirely and go Superiority Complex, Bring It Down and Marksman. Spend the 3 leftover points to suit your playstyle.

[zinc surge]

OMG DESPERADO IM SOO DUMB

[somber axle]

You have options

[broken spade]

oh

[zinc surge]

when you say class base chance thats vet getting 5% crit to axes or all melee weapons?

[tall torrent]

because weapon-innate-crit-chance is only applied when attacking

[broken spade]

should just be all weapons

[tall torrent]

veteran innately has 5% base crit chance for all actions that can crit

[zinc surge]

thank you Hammer!

[tall torrent]

veteran is 5%
zealot is also 5%
psyker is 7.5%
ogryn is 2.5%

[zinc surge]

math maths

[broken spade]

oh psyker's is higher? I thought it was also 5%

[tall torrent]

u can get to ~50% crit chance with tac axes in combat

if u run shred that can go as high as 82% I think

[zinc surge]

with such high crit, is Slaughter Spree worth taking on tac axes (Brutal Mo. + Slaughter Spree)

[real flicker]

how would i get survivalist into that?

[tall torrent]

it's not horrible

but it scales better for zealot

cuz zealot can force melee crits with FotF

veteran still has RNG

[zinc surge]

headtaker seems more stable and i get no value on monsties or carapace

[slow spade]

Can't go wrong with fire and chainsaws 😎

[zinc surge]

but crits funs

[tall torrent]

headtaker is the generally preferred choice

BM + headtaker for II & VII

[zinc surge]

this guy knows his stuff its almost like hes updating the current vet guide or something

[serene bough]

yeah its a shame he's an imposter

remembering the days wheres i just saw a cluster of numbers for their username

[zinc surge]

thanks again for clearing that up

[tall torrent]

I am updating it rn lol

[tribal tangle]

who taking bets if this guy plays well 🙂

[zinc surge]

lets gooooo

[zinc surge]

spree is better or mk4 how comes?

[real flicker]

is this the best stat distribution for this?

[tall torrent]

IV can't proc BM on bruisers

and IV's heavy attacks are pure vertical overhead/uppercut

so u have to light spam

and light spam doesn't activate BM on bruisers

[zinc surge]

ah

[terse idol]

Yah

[tall torrent]

shred + slaughter spree is a lot of crit chance for free

on a very heavily crit orientated weapon

[brisk umbra]

best hellbore? need to finish the mastery

[tall torrent]

IIIa or V

IV if u enjoy backline sniping

[zinc surge]

could a case be made to go headtaker/shred instead of BM on mk7 tacaxe?

[terse idol]

BM is just too good

[zinc surge]

i gonna try mk4 i only tried mk7 cuz it naturally rolled well but i never tried other mks yet

[brisk umbra]

blessings*?

[faint beacon]

Never sleep on BM

[tall torrent]

maniac + unarmored
surgical + weight of fire

[faint beacon]

it’s just so busted

[tall torrent]

outside of IV, I wouldn't ditch BM

tac axe cleave is just horrible

[zinc surge]

okies

i never tried them before is all

[faint beacon]

Shred HT is better on IV

[zinc surge]

ill muck around with mk4 see how it goes

[tall torrent]

shred + slaughter spree is pretty fun too

perma-crit

[zinc surge]

crit is fun

[somber axle]

This only leaves you with 2 extra points to spend by choice but even then you can still get either keystone or ignore keystones to spend the points elsewhere

Unless you want to keep Krak too

[terse idol]

Ooh recon build

[dire olive]

Gonna make a VoC build without the +50 toughness node

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-5537635

[terse idol]

The fart build

[somber axle]

Keeping Krak only leaves it with 1 extra point to spend

But keystoneless is still valid with the Recon Mk XII so the last point is probably best spent in something like Desperado or Bring It Down

[terse idol]

You could make an argument to skip shocktrooper imo

[woven oak]

So 69% thermal resist on plasma gun gets you 1 more shot before needing to cool down?

[faint beacon]

Already made one

[somber axle]

Without Shock Trooper the Recon Mk XII makes the entire ammo supply vanish fast. It's a lot of investment into the Recon and if it hits red without tins or packs in sight you have a gimped talent tree for melee. I wouldn't recommend it tbh. Shock Trooper, Rending Strikes and Onslaught are the core that holds up the Recon Mk XII to be the powerhouse it can be. Reciprocity is icing on the cake

And you need some sort of crit chance to make Shock Trooper work too. Reciprocity is just an easy one to justify for Auric Maels

Headhunter is ok if you pass up Reciprocity

Deadshot is a bad pick for the Recon Mk XII imo

[faint beacon]

Run this with base VOC and you’re just as unkillable

[somber axle]

It's funny but requires a lot of juggling

[faint beacon]

Fucking hilarious taking barely any damage with no golden toughness

[thorn lark]

exec wepspec bolter goes hard

[brisk umbra]

god damn, the bayonette fucks

is the bayonette damage the same on all versions?

[tall torrent]

same between IIIa and V
IV has a much worse bayonet

bayonet atk has high single target sustained dmg & stagger, low cleave and abysmal cleave distribution

it's good for duelling dreg ragers and that's kind of it

[bleak blade]

Lasgun and Shovel is betta than anythin elts. thats why they gev em to ya at the staht otha gaem

[winter grove]

Ogryn has infiltrated our lines

[terse idol]

[bleak blade]

af i wer a og-run, would thay 'ave givun me so much medals fer shootun an akrucy an such?

[stiff surge]

Whats the best combat axe Mk?

[bleak blade]

define best

[stiff surge]

For my perposes I want to have a melee that'll one shot ads for usage with a hacker and melee specialist

[sharp trail]

rashad

[faint beacon]

Rashad

[stiff surge]

Swag

Thanks

[faint beacon]

It’s a turn your brain off and win melee

Brutal Momentum + Headtaker + 25% Unarmored

You’ll 1 tap bruisers

[stiff surge]

Peak, thanks

[tall torrent]

III

[stiff surge]

What to pair with vs unarmored? vs carapace?

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to run unarmored, it’s mostly a QoL perk

I use carapace + elite

[faint beacon]

It’s mainly a for a BP against bruisers

So typical trash mobs swarm you at all they get instantly deleted

[tall torrent]

U can hit the bruiser 1HS without unarmored

Just takes headtaker stacks

[zinc surge]

can the mk4 tacaxe stagger a rager i ssee this in the vet guide but does that mean i have to complete that combo to get a stagger?

[real flicker]

this feels really good with BID thank you, sorry for the slow reply i was in a run

[tall torrent]

No, it means any special hit (regardless of 1, 2 or 3) can stagger on any body part

[faint beacon]

White is guaranteed on any hit, yellow is Weakspot aka headshots etc, red is inconsistent results for Stagger BP charts

[tall torrent]

Yellow means u have to hit weakspot

[faint beacon]

Fucking speaking of I need to do Falter BPs

[zinc surge]

siiick

[tall torrent]

Red is either too slow to take effect (cannot immediately interrupt) or too slow to pull off (long animation windup)

[faint beacon]

I’ll do it when I have ordos to blow

[tall torrent]

[zinc surge]

thankyou!

[faint beacon]

I was being dead serious I’ll do it

[faint beacon]

I’m going to 100% all the classes first with mastery then I’ll do it lmao

[tall torrent]

Main resource limiter for me rn is diamantine

[faint beacon]

I have shit loads

So I can

It’s just I’m broke ordo wise

[tall torrent]

I have like 20 diamantine rn

[faint beacon]

Put a K at the end of it

That’s where I’m still at lmao

[tall torrent]

Diamantine gain vs spend rate is the worst out of the main resources

And I’ve been crafting a lot

[zinc surge]

still watching people skip pickups of diamantine on runs, see they look right at it, its in the box, dont pick it up

[faint beacon]

I’d argue ordos

[tall torrent]

Nah

Outside of rolling for plasma

Ordo is not so bad

[faint beacon]

But it’s mainly cause I’m still blowing them on like mastery

[tall torrent]

After I godrolled plasma it’s been just going up

[faint beacon]

I’m like 95% done with Zealot

[tall torrent]

Granted, I have every weapon at full mastery

[faint beacon]

Then I have to do Psyker from scratch and I’m done

[tall torrent]

I also use mastery skins for every weapon

[faint beacon]

I tried using it

I still hate it

[winter grove]

I wonder if braced autoguns are actually viable

[tall torrent]

Peak

[faint beacon]

Bolter literally just feels better

[winter grove]

Surely agri mk8 could find a place somewhere

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is peak I agree

However I prefer Boltpistol now

[faint beacon]

If I want a

[tall torrent]

Saves 2 points

[faint beacon]

Fuck that special over there gun

[winter grove]

Mechanicus painted guns

[faint beacon]

I use Bolter

If I want my casual build I use Agri 9 lmao

[tall torrent]

Least impressive Boltgun killfeed: scab shotgunner x12

[tall torrent]

They just look so good

Actually look like finely crafted weapons

Instead of worn & torn field gear

[winter grove]

If only we had a mechanicus class

But I can't imagine how a mechanicus guy would become a reject

[zinc surge]

failed mechanics ...

[void bison]

Skitarii got caught being silly

[worldly pulsar]

Techno-Heresy

Although I guess the AdMech would probably handle that in-house

[winter grove]

Can't even imagine waht kind of abilities would admech class have

[zinc surge]

i want little servitors with boltguns as my pets =e

[winter grove]

That would fit to darktide's "Don't stop me now" gameplay

Instead of tower defense

[tall torrent]

I want a field engineer branch for veteran if they ever do career expansions

Like VT2 subclasses

Give me deployable barbed wires and AT mines

[worldly pulsar]

Pray to the Omnissiah and grant yourself and all allies in coherency a +100% fire rate boost for 10 seconds. Or damage instead of RoF, whatever

[void bison]

The chaos spawn shall fall.

[tall torrent]

+100% firerate is crazy

[winter grove]

Pray to Omnissiah that allied guns do damage

[winter grove]

Recon players eating good if that's a thing

[stuck gorge]

this + PBB would be silly for ogryn

[worldly pulsar]

Yeah, it was just an example, I didn't balance it at all

[void bison]

Heavy stubbers and pbb would be wild

[worldly pulsar]

Would just sound like the world's biggest chainsaw

A-10 in an ogryn's hands lol

[void bison]

Screw pixel perfect sniping. I want that direction gone!

[stuck gorge]

Sah, removing that way sah!

[winter grove]

I should make a braced autogun build

Muh AK

[worldly pulsar]

Brautos are fun.

What if, instead of a tech priest or whatever, the 5th class is a combat servitor? Lots of potential for understated humor in the voice lines, good build variety options.

[indigo lark]

what's the best % bonus for main stat on a curio from the armory? for example, is 15% toughness the highest to get from armory

[worldly pulsar]

Toughness is 17%

[indigo lark]

can get 17% from armory?

[void bison]

4 attacks str 4 dmg 1 ahh character

[worldly pulsar]

HP 21% I think. 2 1 wounds, 3 stam

[somber axle]

+100% fire rate on a Recon Mk XII might make the game break LOL

I don't think the game could handle it

[tall torrent]

2 wounds don’t exist

[worldly pulsar]

No? My b

[tall torrent]

+21% health
+17% toughness
+3 stamina
+1 wound

[void bison]

It could but it wouldn’t like it. Legit laser pointer

[indigo lark]

highest i've seen from brunt armory is 15%

can you get 17% from there

[void bison]

Ye

[indigo lark]

great thanks

[somber axle]

The whole clip gone

Tbh it would just be funny to mess with other people by using it at random

+100% fire rate and jumpscare people using automatic weapons

[void bison]

Bolt guns mag disappearing and ur reticle going to the ceiling

[somber axle]

Stack celerity stim and Weapon Specialist ranged attack speed bonus with it just to see how fast you could kill a boss

Race to see which hits 0 first: boss HP or the Recon Mk XII's ammo

[tall torrent]

Boltgun has almost no recoil in exe stance

[void bison]

Both simply cease to exist

[winter grove]

Agri brauto is still the best one ye?

[tall torrent]

Ya

[arctic rampart]

How do you see your uptime on e.g. reciprocity -- is there a scoreboard like mod that tells you uptime % ?

[tall torrent]

U could use show crit chance mod to see when it’s up

[arctic rampart]

Or like do people actually consistently look at the tiny almost invisible icons and memorize them

[void bison]

I do

[tall torrent]

The buff bar is quite buggy

Things that should show up sometimes don’t show up

[winter grove]

Can confirm

Once playing gunker my DD stacks just didn't show up

[tame lodge]

Me with Perfectionism

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[fading yarrow]

Any of y'all have tips for speedrunning Damnation on Vet?

[winter grove]

Pray

[arctic rampart]

don't random queue

[tall torrent]

How fast are u doing damnation on avg and how much damage do u take

[hidden tree]

whats the dump stat for plasma magmacore

[stuck gorge]

thermal resist or charge speed, your choice

[tall torrent]

None

It’s the only weapon in the game without a dump stat

[hidden tree]

its gotta be one lol

[tall torrent]

Perfect distribution is 80 damage, 80 stopping power, 80 ammo, 69 thermal resist and 71 charge rate

[winter grove]

Nice

[tall torrent]

U can get a usable one with 80 damage & stopping power

But it can be far from perfect

[hidden tree]

what blessings and perks are good on the plasma?

[spring spindle]

I’m going to mail Wolfer a Krak Grenade

[tall torrent]

Unarmored/elite + flak/maniac

gets hot + rising heat/gloryhunter/focused cooling

[hidden tree]

thanks king

[ancient dock]

what are the best perks for hoard clearing on a power sword?

[worldly pulsar]

Power cycler + brutal momentum, but don't listen to me I know nothing

[opaque crane]

as close as I've gotten for plasma... If only the thermal and charge were reversed on the one.

[vapid nacelle]

never activate the charge (real)

[worldly pulsar]

True actually

[vapid nacelle]

Munitorum Mk III/VI Power Sword ❌
Munitorum Mk III/VI Sword ✅

[worldly pulsar]

Battery: dies
Sword: improves

[vapid nacelle]

ngl I hate the feel of having to charge before swings so much that I'd rather use this than ever pick up a power sword again

[tall torrent]

The first one (68 thermal) might work

Max power and see if it’ll still get 8 shots out

[dire olive]

I don't usually run PS but the bruiser horde condition missions are CBT without it

[fading yarrow]

With good randoms, about 25 minutes to half an hour

I'm on console so I can't put together an exact number for how much damage I take, but I'm usually pretty good at avoidance and I generally only get downed if I miss a dodge on a squishier build

[opaque crane]

Oh! I’ll give it a shot

[tall torrent]

We can play after I’m home in a bit

25~30 mins seem avg

[weak hamlet]

The plasmag gun certainly is something

Like, I absolutely love that weapon and to me it's the quintessential 40k gun

Even more than the bolter

But come on, even I want to see it nerfed

It would be so simple to nerf too, just tie the cleave to the charge level

[opaque crane]

I maxed power and it actually ended up having the right stats! Thank you for recommending to do that ❤️ .

[tall torrent]

See if it actually can fire 8 shots consecutively

Hopefully it does

[opaque crane]

it can!

[tall torrent]

[opaque crane]

7th shot brings it 94 and the 8th to 100 🙂

[mighty escarp]

Power cycle/ slaughter.
Take flak and maniac and learn to turn your mouse with the swing of your sword

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum outperforms slaughterer for horde clear

[vapid nacelle]

What would be my options for an ammo efficient anti-shootout weapon

[slow spade]

Kantreal MG La is a reliable one

[tame lodge]

Semi auto vigilant

[fading yarrow]

Accidentally took my Helbore into a Damnation instead of my Boltgun

Ngl, performed better than I expected

[vapid nacelle]

which one is this again

did they change its name

I'm not seeing a vigilant in the names

[languid lance]

Vigilant Autogun is a family of weapons.

[vapid nacelle]

I may be stupid

ty

first try

I have literally never used this weapon before so this should be an experience

[fading yarrow]

I should probably give Autoguns a swing sometime

I toyed with Braced Autoguns for a while but then discovered Infantry Autoguns and Columnus

Didn't look back

[vapid nacelle]

Think this gun might be exactly what I'm looking for, it even has Ghost

[fading yarrow]

Is this fine for a Plasma roll?

[stuck gorge]

yea

[fading yarrow]

Or do I need the 71?

Ah ok

[tall torrent]

If it doesn’t change stats during empowerment, it’s basically perfect

[fading yarrow]

Gucci

[woven oak]

@tall torrent is this 69% lying to me? I thought it should go to 0.19 at 69% rather than 0.20.

[tall torrent]

Max empower and see if it can shoot 8 times before needing to vent

Only way to tell

Because the 8 shot breakpoint is somewhere like 68 + decimal

So my safe recommendation is 69 thermal resist

[woven oak]

Thank you

[umbral parrot]

Seriously. What's a better Lasgun than this?

My dream gun! Oh how i love it so!

[winter grove]

You should do opening salvo and ghost :)

Also god damn those perks

[fading yarrow]

I love it when I get queued into Hi Intensity Damnation with two sub-30s

[umbral parrot]

I have thought of Salvo, but i already 1 shot everything.

So i need more armor punching with crit hits against Maulers/Crushers.

[winter grove]

What difficulty

[umbral parrot]

I am offended.

Auric Maelstrom all the fricking way.

[winter creek]

[winter grove]

Okay

[umbral parrot]

And yes, this is bad-A AF!

[winter grove]

Long shot?

[umbral parrot]

Yep

Hold up

[winter grove]

Makes sense

[winter creek]

I haven’t used lasgun since the bolter came out

[winter grove]

Not the deadshot on mk9 😭

[umbral parrot]

Here ya go, this is what i bring to Maelstrom. Able to reach 1st or 2nd place.

[winter grove]

Also by everything do you mean all elite specials

[terse idol]

Crit chance? Stamina?

[umbral parrot]

Anything but Maulers, Crushers. Everything else takes about 1 shot.

3 3 3 Stamina.

[winter grove]

About?

[umbral parrot]

Yea, Muties, Bulwarks, and Reapers takes more than 1 shot.

But all Elites and Specials die in a head shot.

[terse idol]

Why don't you take any damage modifiers against what you just listed?

[winter grove]

MF

[umbral parrot]

Because I alreay punch hard as it is. ANd i'm not going to go Carapace with my Lasgun.

[winter creek]

Depending on damage breakpoints you might not need em

[umbral parrot]

Wanna Q up together~? >:3

[winter grove]

Base damage or exec stance

[umbral parrot]

Exce of course.

[winter grove]

Now everything makes sense

[umbral parrot]

Still able to crank big numbers. And each day, my accuracy getes better and better. Really good at landing head shots! +

Still, name me a better Lasgun, i dare you, i double dare you, you MF!

It feels so damn good.

Think about it. 45% crit chance, instantly going to 70% if target survives head shot!

Doing the math, I hardly ever not crit on my 3rd shot.

[winter grove]

Infantry Lasgun Mk7

[winter grove]

Flak Maniac + Opening Salvo lets you oneshot elite/specials without exec stance

[umbral parrot]

Swapped to an M7. Ain't bad at all!

[winter grove]

Other two infatry lasguns are just kinda

Better

Than mk9

[umbral parrot]

Hmmmm!

[winter grove]

Also fr

Don't do deadshot on lasguns

[umbral parrot]

And miss out on my crit chances? As if!

[winter grove]

You have headhunter

[umbral parrot]

Give me a sec, let me tick this off.

[winter grove]

You could probably use it on 2b

But recons or boltgun really enjoy deadshot

Recons for crits because infernus

Boltgun for recoil decrease

[tall torrent]

not worth

exe stance does what deadshot does for boltgun but better

as for recon u just don't need deadshot

infernus is not that impressive because of the 12 stack limit

[umbral parrot]

I think i'll keep Deadshot on.

[thorny gorge]

[tall torrent]

deadshot is peak copium talent

[umbral parrot]

That may be, but it helps me keep my shots in line. I already tried weapon specialist with this. I do feel the difference I feel like.

[tall torrent]

IX is already the worst infantry lasgun

and u put the 2 worst perks on it

[umbral parrot]

100% crit chance? Can punch really high with it.

[tall torrent]

crit dmg is not worth

and 10% weakspot doesn't hit any new breakpoints

[winter grove]

You're already killing shit with regular crits

[umbral parrot]

Oh wait, you're right!

[tall torrent]

this is the "somehow some way you have 200k overkill ranged dmg with infantry lasgun" set-up

[umbral parrot]

For this one, I could tick Unyielding instead.

[winter grove]

I'd suggest ghost just to trivialise shooters and gunners

[tall torrent]

nah it's just flak + maniac

[umbral parrot]

Yea, you got a point! Frick!

Like, i can score over 2k with Agile Engagement.

[tall torrent]

get the 10% rending talent in middle tree

and drop killzone/opening salvo

double dipping between 2 of the worst veteran talents is crazy to me

u can also drop shock trooper since u already have survivalist unless u really want to minimize reloads

[winter grove]

Considering how veteran is veteran

I am not surprised it somehow worked

[tall torrent]

confirmed kill is also just usually better than exhilarating takedown

[winter grove]

I just get both for my lasgun build

[tall torrent]

better pathing, better sustain

[winter grove]

Lmao

[tall torrent]

I genuinely cannot think of a reason to grab exhilarating takedown now

[winter grove]

Well

[tall torrent]

worst pathing of all starting talents

[winter grove]

I just didn't change my build at all

Got it for extra free toughness

[tall torrent]

and u can run ghost to tank ranged enemies so it's not even necessary

O4B is also just better

[umbral parrot]

I have thought of Ghost actually. Since I am getting better at landing headshots.

My issue with confirmed kill is having wast a point on Longshot that leads to a dead end.

[tall torrent]

well

[umbral parrot]

Oh wait

[tall torrent]

respec and take middle starting path

longshot + exhilarating takedown is the worst starting path for vet

[umbral parrot]

Oh... well lol

I mean, any further away from the left side, i may as well stick with my Plasma/Power Sword build. I'm going for full on Marksman with this.

[terse idol]

You just don't need longshot

Suffice it to say like uhh

[umbral parrot]

20% damage tho!? Impossible!

[terse idol]

Out for blood will actually give you like

Survivability when you do land headshots with MF stacks

[terse idol]

It's overkill

And... you need to be reeeeeaallllyy far away to get 20%

[tall torrent]

It’s not 20%

It’s +0.6% ranged damage at 13m

Scaling up to +20% at 30m away

I’ll let you think whether that’s worth spending a point on

[terse idol]

The issue with it is, you're running mf, so you're fishing for headshots

[tall torrent]

From 0~12.5m, Longshot does nothing

[terse idol]

To kill all elite shooters and regular shooters

[winter grove]

Been doing this for lasguns
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d35540f-b697-4055-81a0-7e5d47706a63/poster-boy

[terse idol]

Regular shooters die without long shot

And most dredge gunners will die with a headshot

Without longshot

Middle path is better cause you get damage reduction AND confirmed kill

[tall torrent]

I think u can drop ammo, superiority and stam regen delay

[terse idol]

Which just inherently makes you tanky against the targets you're already shooting

[tall torrent]

And get some melee stuff

[umbral parrot]

True.... true...

Let me rework this build, see how the test run goes.

But I ain't getting VoC tho!

If i did, i may as well keep going full on melee.

[tall torrent]

Exe stance is actually same point cost as VoC for builds that take survivalist

Because u don’t need any subnode for exe

[terse idol]

You don't need voc for sure it's like eh

It's great

But exe and las is fun

[umbral parrot]

It is great!

[tall torrent]

VoC takes gold toughness, exe just flat out doesn’t need subnode

They end up being the same point cost

[winter grove]

Like desperado?

I dunno

[terse idol]

There is an argument now to go left path for O4B now that switching weapons with "One motion" doesn't end your exe

[tall torrent]

That depends on what u want for melee

[winter grove]

Standard shovel served me well

[umbral parrot]

Desperado is so OP

[terse idol]

Since o4b increases all your toughness gain from MF.

[gray nebula]

best perks for combat blade? Crit and something else?

[umbral parrot]

No, but this build, is 100% marksman stuff only.

[crimson pebble]

real

[somber axle]

if they're all left tree they've saving an extra point tho and losing it if the deviate for VoC from Surv Aura/Shredder Grenade though

[winter grove]

Maniac unyielding

[umbral parrot]

No melee whatso ever!

[tall torrent]

Carapace + flak/elite/stamina

[somber axle]

and losing the extra point for duty and honour too

[winter grove]

Or that

[tall torrent]

Nah wtf

[terse idol]

Just do middle path

[tall torrent]

Maniac does nothing for knife (on vet)

[terse idol]

Into exe

And mf

[crimson pebble]

bro hates ragers

[tall torrent]

If they take survivalist, VoC and exe have the same point cost

But then again if u take survivalist you’re probably playing ranged veteran or plasma

[umbral parrot]

Something does not feel right.

[tall torrent]

Elite hits the same breakpoint, and knife is inherently RNG heavy

[somber axle]

if you take surv aura and then go into VoC you have to spend the extra point deviating from left tree into the 5% toughness node in middle and another point to get duty and honour

[terse idol]

What cha" mean?

[somber axle]

they can skip Stockpile and take Team

[tall torrent]

Yea, u can drop the shooter highlight node for 5% crit chance

[somber axle]

both feels sorta overkill unless it's a Bistol Lethal Proximity meme

[tall torrent]

Sorry what

[umbral parrot]

Or maybe an extra 10% rending!? Ehh, ehh?

[terse idol]

Yeah I wouldn't take demo

For a non-greandier build

[somber axle]

you're spending the point for Stockpile always, I'm saying you don't have to

[umbral parrot]

Or maybe twin blast......

[somber axle]

and not going after Stockpile saves you 2 points

[terse idol]

You don't have tinkierer either

[umbral parrot]

Keep in mind, this is a full on Lasgun build.

[winter grove]

Lethal proximity isn't a meme

[somber axle]

you need a form of grenade regen, you don't need to get both Stockpile and Team

[terse idol]

Twin blast is MEGA meme, saved for bistol lethal proximity build (which I'm using)

[somber axle]

it's a very fun and effective meme and a legitimate build

[tall torrent]

It’s too good of a node to pass especially for frags

[somber axle]

the meme is that the blessing makes it very funny for one very specific (and probably unintended) effect with Shredder Frag Grenades LOL

[umbral parrot]

Damn....

I hate the middle tree tho lol

[terse idol]

It is a meme because of tapping run and gun for the bistol

[umbral parrot]

But let's give this a shot.

[tall torrent]

You already have 10% rending in middle

[umbral parrot]

Yea, 20% rending. Good bye armor.

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t do much

Unfortunately infantry Lasguns just suck vs flak

[umbral parrot]

I noticed.

[terse idol]

Wait if you don't like crushers why not skip demo and go krak grenade?

[tall torrent]

And counting on RNG to get half of ur rending bonus is definitely one of the choices of all time

[terse idol]

Cause that's not bad for marksmen lasgun

Gives you abit of monst damage too

[umbral parrot]

RNG? Not landing head shots?

I'm comfortable with landing head shots atm.

[somber axle]

depends on how often someone is using frags and if someone's mainly using it for rescues, making space when ragertide appears, etc. sitting at frag grenade cap through a lot of the map feels weird
no tinkerer and 1 frag isn't going to kill a horde other than the groaners/poxwalkers standing face next to the blast so you need to double toss if it's to wipe out a horde/mixed horde and outside of bistol that feels kinda weird to invest that deep into shredder frag grenades

[tall torrent]

That rending only really matters vs 2 enemies (mauler & scab rager), and you’ll be forced into melee with them eventually if you run infantry lasgun regardless of ur headshot skills

[somber axle]

with tinkerer 1 frag will bleed out poxwalkers/groaners iirc? but then if you're Surv Aura into VoC it's even more points to reach

[tall torrent]

The gun still sucks vs crushers and you’re gonna melee them regardless

[terse idol]

IF IM GONNA SAY SOMETHING tunnel vision is good, and like

Take camoflauge

[umbral parrot]

Oh, you mean, the extra crit for melee then?

[terse idol]

So you always have 10 stacks

The +5 stacks is over kill

[tall torrent]

5% crit chance is one of the best luxury points u can get

Always active, benefits both of ur weapons

[somber axle]

CitA is really, really strong though

the hard part is just building and maintaining it when you need it most

if you can juggle MF stacks it's nice to have

[tall torrent]

Think of it as “crit twice as much with ur melee across a mission” because ur base is 5%, and this gives u 10%

[woven oak]

It does appear that I hit 100% heat at 8 shots, so I guess it's in the good zone.

[somber axle]

I take it on my Recon Mk VIc and Recon Mk XIV since Onslaught is eh on them both for their lower fire rates

full auto head height and the stacks are here

[tall torrent]

It’s not worth 95% the time

And is just a worse version of rending strikes

[somber axle]

most guns don't need the extra rending on top of Rending Strikes

for that that can benefit it's really nice

[tall torrent]

Yea, hence not “really really strong”

It’s a “lol it exists” node

[umbral parrot]

Solved all of my Carapace armor issue with my Lasgun now. Thanks. ❤️

Lol

[somber axle]

It exists and makes the two other variants of Recon extra funny

[tall torrent]

Why Killzone + opening salvo

I don’t get it

[umbral parrot]

Neither do I!

[tall torrent]

U took off rending & ogryn damage for what

Just for a downgrade of what u had

[tall torrent]

This is so much better

[umbral parrot]

I just tried to be funny!

[tall torrent]

All u needed to do was dropping shooter highlight for 5% crit and you’re done

[shadow fable]

Is brittleness even good against monstrosities?

[tall torrent]

Depends on ur weapons

If ur weapons suck vs monsters (low unyielding damage), yes

Otherwise, no

[shadow fable]

ok thanks

[somber axle]

depends but sometimes yeah
Recons benefit with it vs Unyielding
Boltgun takes the funny Shattering Impact blessing for magdump memes into bosses too afaik
brittleness is just rending but teamwide

[tall torrent]

Boltgun doesn’t need

[somber axle]

you benefit but so does everyone else

[tall torrent]

Already has 1x unyielding ADM

You’re better off going puncture/cavalcade

[somber axle]

doesn't your guide recommend Shattering Impact as one of the blessings for Boltgun

[umbral parrot]

There.

Let's try this Lasgun build.

[somber axle]

what is it for if not for boss magdump memes

[umbral parrot]

Also, extra nade because they're too good.

[tall torrent]

That’s exclusively for crushers (1 less shot to kill)

[somber axle]

shattering impact is just onslaught brittleness but in blessing form

[shadow fable]

I recommend chink in their armor if it's recon las

feels good

[tall torrent]

I wrote puncture/surgical/cavalcade + pinning fire/shattering impact

[umbral parrot]

Inf Lasgun.

[tall torrent]

But tbh I think puncture + pinning fire is best

[umbral parrot]

But what else was it? Flak/Maniac, and what?

[somber axle]

no surgical on Boltgun is sadness

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac, headhunter + ghost

[winter grove]

Yo here's an idea

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo instead of headhunter for IX so u can still 1 tap outside of exe stance

[shadow fable]

no need if you take deadshot

[winter grove]

Drop marksman's focus

[tall torrent]

U don’t need the +1 nade, keep camouflage

[terse idol]

No

[winter grove]

I meant

[terse idol]

I kinda wished mf would stack if you just hit a headshit

[winter grove]

Do keystoneless

[tall torrent]

No, just no need in general

[terse idol]

Oh, I mean only on recon

[somber axle]

what if I said I like to have both because I view Deadshot as less time spent ADS to get a guaranteed crit when Deadshot is active?

[tall torrent]

I realized exe stance Boltgun just doesn’t care about crits for breakpoints

And exe stance completely removes ur need for deadshot

[umbral parrot]

I legit want to do this. If you're up for it, i'm down.

[tall torrent]

So I dropped surgical altogether

[umbral parrot]

All Grey, no talents anyone?

Auric

Maelstrom

[winter grove]

I mean my lasgun build is keystoneless

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d35540f-b697-4055-81a0-7e5d47706a63/poster-boy

Fitted to fill my needs :)

[shadow fable]

So is bleed better for boltgun than shattering impact?

[umbral parrot]

Camouflage!? Over Long Range Assassin.

[tall torrent]

Usually yea

[tall torrent]

Yea

[winter grove]

Crits do more bleed stacks trust

[tall torrent]

What

[winter grove]

Shhhhh

Trust :)

[tall torrent]

What does that sentence even mean

[umbral parrot]

There we go.

[tame lodge]

Bro thinks he's melee zealot

[winter grove]

Crits deal more bleed stacks if you have a way to deal bleed
This is not lie or misinformation trust me

[umbral parrot]

NOW Let's try this out.

[shadow fable]

i thought shattering was the main boss dps tho

[tall torrent]

I love propagating misinformation

[tall torrent]

Whoever told u that has no idea how brittleness works

[winter grove]

I wonder why no counter fire

[umbral parrot]

I mean, i wish there was a video of these sort of tests easily accessable and pinned here on Discord.

[shadow fable]

will it make it worse against armor without it?

[umbral parrot]

For extra cits.

[tall torrent]

Just take camouflage over LRR

[umbral parrot]

That's what i took! lol

[tall torrent]

You take 1 more headshot to kill crusher in exe stance

[shadow fable]

Swap deadly accurate for headhunter

[umbral parrot]

I wish!

[tall torrent]

But u kill basically everything else in 1~2 shots

[shadow fable]

It usually takes me two or three without exe

[winter grove]

For opening salvo*

[tall torrent]

Not having +crit chance while running deadly accurate is definitely a choice

Take opening salvo instead, it’s better for IX

U still get occasional 1 taps outside of exe stance

[tall torrent]

On damnation?

[shadow fable]

Isn't opening salvo not very good on infrantry las?

[shadow fable]

ye

[winter grove]

Why

[tall torrent]

Show me

[winter grove]

It's mk9 we're talking about

[shadow fable]

hold on gotta clip it

[tall torrent]

Ya it’s not very good
But IX is the worst variant and wants 1 taps at any cost so u have to cope

The best variant is IIb

[winter grove]

Mg4?

[tall torrent]

2 taps with exe stance, fastest firerate, largest capacity, never runs out of ammo, instant sprint to fire, fast ADS move speed

[umbral parrot]

Well, i got opening Salvo, but now i got 1 point left to spare. Hmm

The extra nade is tempting again.

Oh wait, that's impossible now.

[tall torrent]

What 1 point spare

Opening salvo (blessing)

Not opening salvo (talent)

[umbral parrot]

Removed that +5 crit chance.

Oh lol

[tall torrent]

5% crit chance is good

[winter grove]

I use this for 2b. What do you say?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa29726-c30a-4f57-ac9f-c429bc669d34/my-job-is-gun-lasgun-veteran?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[umbral parrot]

Oh Wow, but are actually named that. Crap

[tall torrent]

But playing deadly accurate without headhunter is crazy

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tall torrent]

Just go exe stance

[umbral parrot]

Ahh, true, true. No point it in if i'm going Ghost. So Opening Salvo (Blessing) is the perfect way to go. I gotcha.

[tall torrent]

Yea see the problem here is that ur gonna miss breakpoints on other important targets

Flak + maniac allows u to 1~2 shot everything important

[umbral parrot]

Man....

Power Sword and Plasma Gun is so much easier! Solo worthy!

[tall torrent]

And having or not having shattering impact with that perk set-up is only 1 shot difference

[tall torrent]

You wanted a full marksman spec veteran, but it is prob the worst way to play vet rn

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea, totally.

[tall torrent]

Exe Boltgun/Boltpistol go way harder

[umbral parrot]

I mean, if i wanted to win, i'd just go Power/Plasma. But you know... Lasgun!

[shadow fable]

It already does 1-2 shot everything but crushers and muties

[tall torrent]

Mauler 2 shot?

[shadow fable]

sometimes 2 sometmes 3

[umbral parrot]

More of a weapon specalist kind of guy. But I really want to shoot atm.

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s the difference

U could push Boltgun into 1 bodyshot territory on most high value targets

[shadow fable]

nvm it's 3

[tall torrent]

And 2 shot maulers

Shattering impact is just very low value overall

Only matters for 1 enemy and only improves 1 shot to kill

[shadow fable]

I'll test it out real quick. See if i like it

[umbral parrot]

You know what i just figured out?

[tall torrent]

I think puncture + pinning fire is the best set-up

[umbral parrot]

The fact that i was running a bad lasgun build and was still doing great. DAMN i'm good!

[winter grove]

Veteran is like that

[umbral parrot]

I'm telling you, all grey and no talent run! I can totally do it with a competent team!

And i mean everyone doing the same thing too.

[shadow fable]

Puncture + Pinning fire + Flak + Maniac right?

[placid portal]

wait we are not using surgical?

[tall torrent]

U don’t need to

[placid portal]

doh

[shadow fable]

deadshot is what I use for a similar effect

unless you're using exe stance

[tall torrent]

Neither surgical nor deadshot is necessary

Exe just does everything for u

[shadow fable]

not necessary but I like running voice of command

[tall torrent]

And exe is basically the best way to play Boltgun on vet rn

[shadow fable]

quite true but randoms are interesting

[shadow fable]

I do like the change thanks

[placid portal]

was running crit boltgun pinning before the new blessings guess puncture pretty good for it?

[tall torrent]

Puncture gives u some new breakpoints

And works well with pinning fire

[shadow fable]

also probably helps keep boss damage high

[placid portal]

bleed stacks refresh pinning?

[tall torrent]

Boss damage is high regardless of puncture

[tall torrent]

No, but pinning fire buffs bleed damage

[placid portal]

intriguing, gonna try some

[shadow fable]

What's best for dueling sword?

[terse idol]

The garbage
But I don't know lmao

[frank basin]

i think the mk 4

the middle mark

has do stabbing heavy attack

[shadow fable]

I mean blessings and perks

[frank basin]

uncanny strike, riposte if without recipitory

with reciprocity use the uhhhh the one tier 4 grant 60% finesse damage

the perk be flak and maniac

[shadow fable]

I find maniac and unyielding works really well

[frank basin]

oh yeah because uncanny does the job

maniac unyielding/unarmored can be

[shadow fable]

is riposte or reciprocity better for horde clear?

[frank basin]

yeah i guess

[shadow fable]

which?

[frank basin]

reciprocity when you want recognition (finesse damage), riposte for when you want save points not lean on right side.

[stoic thorn]

Ooh the chainsword is FUN

[frank basin]

@shadow fable i fix some sentence i was confuse there moment

[umbral parrot]

That was fun

Going back to Power Sword and Plasma tho

So yea, in the morning i saw that Power Swords had an issue? They sometimes don't activate? Is this true!?

[winter grove]

Ye

[tame lodge]

None kek
The weapon itself has bad horde clear
But I bet on Precognition

[strange crow]

Ok I'm kinda confused, the green recon lasgun (VIc) has lower damage and higher rof than the tan recon lasgun (XIV), but the green one has only 636 reserve ammo compared to tan's 852, why is this?

[tame lodge]

Balancing

[strange crow]

Does it have a better crit chance or sm?

[strange crow]

So FS just did an oopsie lol?

[tall torrent]

XIV uses 2 ammo per shot, VIc uses 1 ammo per shot

[strange crow]

Oh ok makes sense

Ty

[stoic thorn]

How does the power sword perform

[serene bough]

as the name implies, its a power house

lacking in the mobility department though

[stoic thorn]

Excellent

[serene bough]

mk6 better than mk3

[tall torrent]

Rashad lite
But costs less talent points to be good

[nocturne mulch]

Every melee weapon performs well. Try them all and pick which you enjoy the most

[barren tiger]

from my experience it works really well when the run is going "smooth" but goodluck when youre trying to clutch

[strange crow]

Also @tall torrent what's the website u were involved in making that had more in-depth stats and advice for all the weapons?

Sorry for ping but it seems rly helpful

[tall torrent]

Not a website, it’s a MS word file

[strange crow]

Ahh ok I assume its pinned here then?

Yep there it is thanks

[tall torrent]

It’s not finished but most stuff are ok

[strange crow]

It's better than me having to bother you or others each time I have a question lol

[winter grove]

I remember that sunder mk3 is an actual build

[shadow fable]

Is the exploit weakness talent good against bosses?

[serene bough]

havent heard much of this

dont know many people who use sunder mk3

[rigid schooner]

General question, how often do you take twinned blast? And how often do you take other grenade talents, like grenade tinkerer, etc. at all, or instead?

[serene bough]

twinned blast is pretty mediocre, i almost always take demo stockpile and field improv

[rigid schooner]

Im finding that I do that too

[stoic thorn]

Hm

I have reviewed both chainsword and power sword

I will be taking the devil knife

[serene bough]

best to avoid imo, it's not that great

[shadow fable]

I was hoping to increase melee damage against bosses

[stoic thorn]

Bolt pistol was fun but

Helbore my beloved

Bayonet charge

[serene bough]

depending on your build you're better off just grabbing ogryn damage from the middle tree

[ebon hound]

Bolter go brrr

[shadow fable]

Already got it

[stoic thorn]

Nothing is more fun than screaming BANZAI and then charge the enemy