veteran-class

[winter grove]

Lol

[lavish solar]

Fair

[split sapphire]

I'm enjoying the devil's claw more often. Just feels satisfying to use. Along with it's special ability

[lavish solar]

Haven’t used those in ages, probably should pick one up again, recently a lot of people seems to have been enjoying it

[split sapphire]

It's great with groups, plus with the variation you use, either the mk. 4 or 7, strike down is great compared to the mk. 1

[stoic thorn]

I quite like the catachan devil claw knife

It's a big knide

[thick wolf]

would increase crit chance perk would on a helbore

[stoic thorn]

And I'm using the bolt pistol

[thick wolf]

or what's the reccommended perks for helbore rn

[lavish solar]

Last time I used it I was using an ES build and was struggling really hard after all 3 of my teammates decided to go to the other side of the objective across the hall

[split sapphire]

I use the mk. 4 devils claw cause the strike down heavy is the initial attack if used first.

[lavish solar]

After that I tend to pick weapons that actually kill stuff fast

But probably part of that problem was I didn’t have the correct blessings on my devil’s claw

[lavish solar]

Which mark? The slowest one probably benefits from carapace and unyielding but I don’t really have much experience with that particular one

[thick wolf]

fastest

[lavish solar]

For what was the mk1 I think flak and maniac does the trick

[split sapphire]

I have rampage and savage sweep on my sword rn

[lavish solar]

That one I took unarmored and flak to get breakpoints for gunners

But maniac is probably a good pick

[lavish solar]

Yeah that should help

Imma give it another try

[split sapphire]

Just wondered what perks are top picks, still unsure of what

[thick wolf]

I had to type fastest because

fatshark and games workshop in their infinite wisdom decided to jumble up the marks for no reason

[lavish solar]

Flak and maniac I think?

[lavish solar]

So true

[split sapphire]

I think i already have those, so i should be good then

[thick wolf]

gah, made me wish the helbore would have headhunter

[lavish solar]

Honestly I think headhunter would just be outclassed by surgical for helbore

[tame lodge]

You're probably thinking about Deadly Accurate

[thick wolf]

would probably be useful for the speedy variant

headhunter is the 20% crit chance on weakspot hit tho

[lavish solar]

Yeah for that one maybe

Depends on how fast you can line the shots up I think

[thick wolf]

surgical just can't catch up with the speedy

[tame lodge]

Or you can become redundant and stack surgical with headhunter (wouldn't recommend)

And Deadshot

[lavish solar]

In a vacuum yes, in practice oftentimes the iron sights mess me up so by the time I find the fucker I need to shoot I’m at pretty high stacks of surgical anyways

Incidentally this is also why I prefer the mk1, has nicer breakpoints while the slightly slower charge rate doesn’t make too much of a difference for me at least

[lavish solar]

Gotta have that sweet 100% crit rate

[thick wolf]

is mk1 speedy or medium

for fucks sake the renaming of these mks

[lavish solar]

Medium

With a charged crit it oneshot headshots I think literally everything short of bosses, carapace or unyielding enemies

Oh and muties

Without crit still oneshots a bunch of elites and specialists

[stable flint]

How does stamina regen work on curios exactly

Like, what does it affect ? Only natural regen or it also affect nodes that give back stamina

[lavish solar]

I think it doesn’t affect regen delay but increases regen speed

Probably just the natural regen

[stoic thorn]

Holy shit I love the bolt pistol

The parry on the devil knife is perfect

[cold berry]

I'm seeing a lot of Vets running around in Auric with Bolter builds without Survival aura
am I going crazy

[stoic thorn]

I've just been unlocking shit I don't know what any of the stats mean

Ignorance is bliss the heretics have a bolt shaped hole in them and I am content

[slow spade]

If you build right, every round is a dead specialist so its not THAT bad

Ragers take 2 on body still 😔

[pseudo fiber]

A little idk why you wouldn't path into survivalist with a bolter build given you usually run shredder and exe stance

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialiat bolter for that ranged attack speed 😎

[stoic thorn]

Big knife big bullet mmm

Budget zealot

[thick wolf]

brother I'm coming across a lot of vets with bolters

it makes my grenadier guy look even more questionable

[pseudo fiber]

Bolter has a power fantasy doesn't it

[thick wolf]

like I'm running with the boltpistol

don't make me feel like I'm bringing in the wrong gear by having another bolter user to fight ammo with

[slow spade]

Just steal it first

Surely you're faster

When I queue with a shitty teammate not conserving smmo

I just start gobbling up ammo to top off

Red ammo before the 2nd area? Yeah I'm taking ammo as I want

[hybrid prawn]

bolt party

[slow spade]

Power sword users 😔

I hope the hotfix comes soon

[hybrid prawn]

kek

[balmy flume]

Wait wut happened

[umbral parrot]

Hotfix for?

[balmy flume]

I run PSword so I am concerned

[restive rock]

What are the thoughts on the Cadia chainsword?

[elder fiber]

comfy

[restive rock]

I use it a lot, honestly just because my dude is cadian

[elder fiber]

mg13 really wants attack speed tho

[umbral parrot]

It's amazing. I wish the Rev was stronger

[balmy flume]

Welcome to the BP fanclub.

All the power of a Boltgun with all the shortcomings removed...

[slow spade]

All powered weapons are bugged so using your special doesn't refresh your weapon

[restive rock]

Yeah, I feel like the rev is kinda weak too
I usually just hit maulers in the leg with normal attacks

[tame lodge]

There's a bug with charged attacks
Sometimes you charge it up
But it's the normal attacks that come out

[slow spade]

It can get you killed really fast :c

[tame lodge]

It's freaking annoying

[umbral parrot]

I knew it

[balmy flume]

Fffffff.

Time to build a backup shock Maul. Been wanting one for the extra stamina pip anyways.

[umbral parrot]

I was not crazy and was not my mouse

[thick wolf]

back then the boltpistol is a worse boltgun

[slow spade]

Its been acknowledged and someone posted a potential fix on the bug thread

[thick wolf]

since it functioned more like a worse revolver with a mag instead of bullet by bullet

[slow spade]

So hopefully it gets fixed soon

[elder fiber]

if its vs a mixed mob then thats safer than rev vs individuals anyways

[umbral parrot]

Still sucks against individuals

[thick wolf]

which rev are we referring?

[umbral parrot]

Chainsword, XIII. That does 1k damage against most

[thick wolf]

is it the horde clearer one?

look the marks are now confusing to remember after fatshart and bames workshop decided to jumble them for no reason

[elder fiber]

they both murder hordes, 13 is just lightspam while og is heavyspam

[sick cedar]

What're the best perks and blessings on the helbore y'all?

[thick wolf]

oh wait

13 is the one with the sweeping light attacks while the uhhhh, blue thingy is the sweeping heavy attacks?

[umbral parrot]

It's great

[stoic thorn]

It is only for until I can get me hands on the plasma gun

[tame lodge]

Don't worry you'll enjoy the plasma for like 500 hours then you'll drop it

[sharp echo]

Take a block of cheese out of your fridge.

Take a big bite out, but don't go all the way through

enough to imprint teeth marks.

go.

Currently the psykers are ahead as they have taken a bite out as the instructions say.

[vestal badger]

*instructions may be too complicated for vet mains

[thick wolf]

for how much people dicksuck on the plasma gun I don't find it exhilirating to use

I feel slower using it

when I can just zip around doing headshots with an infantry las

[stoic thorn]

Idk what the plasma gun does in the game

But my kasrkin gunner with Plasma gun has never failed me in atomizing enemy operatives in kill team

If it cannot explode on you I will be extremely disappointed

[sharp echo]

veterans... unresponsive. moving on.

[pseudo fiber]

It's strong but boring is a pretty common opinion

[tame lodge]

Only if you use charged shots
So yes it does explode

[stoic thorn]

YEAHHH

LETS GO GAMBLING!!

[thick wolf]

its not just boring

[stoic thorn]

IM GONNA LAUNCH MYSELF ACROSS THE ROOM BECAUSE I FAIL THE HAZARD TEST

[thick wolf]

I don't even feel powerful using it

nor do I feel like I'm doing anything

[stoic thorn]

Same here I'm just blind firing at things

If they look important enough that's a bolt pistol to the face

Or a charged helborer blast

[somber axle]

The charge shot feels fun to use on Plasma but it's so rarely ever worth using

[stoic thorn]

Life gets better when you turn off brain and start going ham on poxwalkers

If God didn't want to give us that many poxwalkers

Why did he give the death guard combat patrol 30 poxwalkers

Praise the God emperor and the catachan for making a damn good knife

[somber axle]

If you build a certain way it will 1 shot Crushers and Bulwarks but you could also just 2 shot them with uncharged shots for roughly the same TTK and less ammo spent (1 charged shot costs 9 ammo, 2 uncharged shots cost 6 ammo)

New Plasma meta is all wounds curios and spamming charged shots during hordes to turn yourself into a human poxburster

[thick wolf]

and also, someone has to deal with the ranged trash

[somber axle]

That too yeah

[stoic thorn]

damn

I am very disappointed

[thick wolf]

even the boltpistol can fill both a horde meme and ranged trash killer if paired up with shredder

[somber axle]

It penetrates cover but is not ammo efficient for clearing rooms of non-elite ranged enemies

Unless you get them as they walk through a hallway or door

[stoic thorn]

I am excited for the chainsword though

Unless someone says "the chainsword fucking sucks use x instead"

[somber axle]

Plasma is still really fast at deleting multiple elites/specials off the map

I just sorta wish the charged shot was more worth

[stoic thorn]

When do Veterans get the chainsword

Like what level

Saving for it unless there's a bolt pistol in the req market that has a fancy number next to it

[sharp echo]

Veterans your official score is 0 as you have ignored the challenge completely.

[frank monolith]

?

[stoic thorn]

I think you should be executed by the commissariat

[sharp echo]

There.

[stoic thorn]

Not everyone has a

Block of cheese in their fridge

[sharp echo]

You may still have a chance to get your score up.

[stoic thorn]

Some of us have sliced cheese like normal people

[somber axle]

I don't like cheese though

I'm a sneaky cat not a sneaky rat

[runic grove]

rending is useless for bolt guns right?

[stoic thorn]

I'm sorry rich kid not everyone's got a regigiatto cheese wheel fermented in 1927 in their fridge

[sharp echo]

can be cheddar.. or even a cheese stick.

[somber axle]

Normally yes but there's a very obscure breakpoint for the Boltpistol using Rending Strikes and Chink in their Armour with Deadly Accurate to get a consistent 1 shot kill on Crushers

[stoic thorn]

I have yet to see a fellow Asian have

Cheddar

In their fridge

[somber axle]

Outside of that one niche meme yes rending is not needed

[stoic thorn]

Or any brick of cheese

We eat slices

Because it's optimal

[somber axle]

It recently got major ADM buffs vs Infested so it no longer struggles on Hounds or Bursters either

[sharp echo]

I'm asian and I have cheddar in my fridge. but that's beyond the point. if you don't have a block of cheese, simply use a slice.

[stoic thorn]

Well then that's unfair innit

You can't really bite into a slice of cheese

Without it fucking crumbling

[thick wolf]

I find it funny tho

[stoic thorn]

Are you trying to waste food

[thick wolf]

how the boltpistol is the only gun in the game with a distinct partial and empty reload

[somber axle]

Just get cheese friends a bag of shredded cheese as a treat

[sharp echo]

Even the attempt will get you some points.

[thick wolf]

well, aside from double barrel but that one aint mag fed

[stoic thorn]

An entire cheese slice

Gone to waste

A cow was milked for that

[sharp echo]

Zealots already have half a point for enthusiasm

[stoic thorn]

Anyway unknown numbers confuse me

[tawny badger]

how thin is your cheese slice

[stoic thorn]

About 2mm thick

Maybe 1

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-mickey-mouse-hungry-stingy-bread-gif-9574980

[stoic thorn]

It's a cheese slice

[hearty panther]

lmao

[stoic thorn]

Not a cheese thin cuboid

[hearty panther]

exactly what i pictured

[tame lodge]

Mk4 at Level 10

[stoic thorn]

I'm lvl 9 I am hyped

Chainsword is tommorow

Tbh I don't even need that much cheese

[hearty panther]

I wish more did just for the visual effect, but admittedly there's no actual difference in reload speed so it's pointless outside of the aesthetic.

[stoic thorn]

I just toss the cheese onto my pasta

Punch it into the microwave

Blam melted cheese in the spaghetti

[thick wolf]

I mean

some games have the partial and empty reload have identical reload speed at times

[tawny badger]

give tactical reload different reload animations

[hearty panther]

Some do but usually the point is that a tactical reload = faster as an incentive.

[thick wolf]

sometimes a partial reload involves a magtap, but empty just slots it right in no time wasted before racking the slide or slapping the bolt catch

[thick wolf]

some guns already have differing reload anims

lasguns have differing reload anims, autoguns have differing reload anims at times

hell, the old lasgun reload is still being used

[hearty panther]

Those are just randomized.

Like when your guy misslots the battery into the magazine catch, it's not actually taking you any longer. It's just for flair.

And I do like those touches.

It's just that putting in an empty + tactical reload on all guns is a lot of animation work for no benefit to gameplay itself.

[thick wolf]

still different reload anims regardless

[hearty panther]

So if they ever do do it it'll be pretty low priority.

do do it it

i hate my sentence

[runic grove]

is there a blessing that keeps my psword special active when gettin hit?

i have problems vs rager groups if i dont have shout

[umbral scaffold]

Power cycler

[runic grove]

gettin hit not hittin

[umbral scaffold]

Ohhhh Specials states get intrupted on all weapons

Nah

[balmy flume]

Also apparently there is currently a bug with the special as well sadly

[umbral scaffold]

I eish there was onw though

[balmy flume]

I think sometimes the Special looks like it is activated, but the game treats it as a normal hit instead.

That is the bug apparently.

But more pragmatically, for ragers, shoot them in the head or nade them in a pinch.

[umbral scaffold]

Its shitty bcs i have even the garranteed specials mod because animations oberide special activation all the time along when with i do activate it it gets interupted

Ps-s fun but its got a huge elephant in its closet

[runic grove]

idk i think rashad > psword because of that interrupt trash

and rashad can push attack rager groups of 3

[stoic thorn]

Hm

I relent

I will eat the cheese

I am hungry

@sharp echo

I've actually measured the thickness of the cheese and it's 2mm

[sharp echo]

Oh... my god

oh how the tables have turned.

[buoyant knoll]

what is the next best elite/gunner killer for sharpshooter veteran, beside the kantrael?

[sharp echo]

Psykers and veterans are tied!

[tame lodge]

Vigilants

[lavish solar]

Sorry to bring this up again but since I think ur running bolter with deadshot, how do you manage stamina? I imagine just bringing one +3 stamina curio would do okay in most cases but are there anything else (talents, perks, etc) that you do to have enough stamina? Thanks

[buoyant knoll]

is that the thing with the iron sight?

[lavish solar]

Plasma

Not even joking, unless you want to kill a million little gunners

Then it becomes problematic

[sharp echo]

Actually I'm giving you 2 points for that Engiboi

[slow spade]

No stam curios, I have stamina regen, sprint effi, and cooldown on all 3 curios

All toughness curios

[stoic thorn]

How did me buying darktide end up with me eating cheese

And drinking pure ramen broth

[sharp echo]

What?

[tame lodge]

Afaik only Infantry Lasguns have holo
So uh yeah

[sharp echo]

When did I tell you to drink ramen broth?

[stoic thorn]

What

[lavish solar]

Hmmmm in that case does deadshot even stay up long enough for sustained engagements (e.g. firing a whole magazine when ads)?

[slow spade]

Why would you need it to? You kill all the elites in 1 shot with crit, The shooters die in 1 hit regardless of crit, and specialists are hardly the tankiest

[lavish solar]

Yes but sometimes shit happens and you kinda need to delete a bunch of gunners which means (probably) picking them off one by one in quick succession

[slow spade]

Then you shoot them?

Its not necessary to have full stamina to kill like 6 gunners

[lavish solar]

Okay fair enough

[slow spade]

The only real time I have issues with stamina is blocking

I miss my power sword

[lavish solar]

Same here

[sharp echo]

OK so veterans currently in the lead, will update when something happens.

[lavish solar]

Also do u use ES or shout for bolter?

[slow spade]

Rashad isn't cutting it 😔

[slow spade]

Shout, executioner is overkill

[lavish solar]

Okay thanks

[slow spade]

Well it kills ragers in 1 hit on body

So not the worst idea considering auric...

But I personally think headshots are fine enough

[lavish solar]

True

Also without shout chances of getting fucked by 2 random pox walkers skyrockets

Which can lead to problems considering auric

[slow spade]

The main trick is that dreg gunners have 1400 hp and they're mostly unarmored

I think I need to swap my bolter from Flak to Elite damage

[lavish solar]

Probably not a bad idea

[slow spade]

Its not that bad with high enough toughness

250 toughness means I take like 2 hp when 2 walkers hit me

So exec stance is fine imo

Assuming you plan to be a "fuck ogryns and bosses" kind of bolter

[lavish solar]

Oh

[slow spade]

As idk what your plans are :p

[lavish solar]

Never even thought of it that way

[slow spade]

Yeah Iron Will op

Hp is only for snipers and bursters

[lavish solar]

True, I’ve been running 1 toughness 2hp, guess it’s time to switch things up

[slow spade]

Which are only a problem when there's like 6 of them

Fuck Shock Trooper Gauntlet

[lavish solar]

lmao true

[slow spade]

I personally build for toughness so I can make a few mistakes

Sometimes I don't heal 3 medicaes straight

[runic grove]

theres a trick with psword activation animation cancel?

[slow spade]

Mk6 only, activate -> block asap

Its simple thankfully

Saves you like 0.5s which matters a lot

[lavish solar]

Fair enough, I think the 1 toughness 2 hp is something that I slapped on when I first started playing and always got chip damage

Then I just didn’t think about it and kept using it

[slow spade]

Canceling the mk6 has the unintended effect of also blocking any attack for an instant

Which can help

[slow spade]

Adapting to observations is natural don't worry about it

I've played for 800 hours so I optimized around myself only

[thick wolf]

I always carry at least 1 wound

because I have no confidence running only two wounds in higher difficulties

seeing three segments gives me comfort

[slow spade]

Some people bring 3 stam for max crackhead energy

[thick wolf]

or if they're running deadshot

[runic grove]

makes it actually useable

[slow spade]

Deadshot with a mk6 recon as any good vet would UwU

[fickle narwhal]

man i fcking hate having comand voice to help my team and then see everyone dying alone cause they love to be split 😦 why everyone run away from people on this game

[slow spade]

The difference between firing a plasma shot and not firing essentially

[slow spade]

Because like 80% of all the enemies are designed to split you up

Even the levels are

Plasteel in some fuckoff corner, med stim in a bench on a sideroom

[thick wolf]

A LOT OF FUCKING TRASH RANGED

PLEASE

DEAL WITH THEM YOU IDIOTS

[slow spade]

You can basically guarantee victory by always staying together

[thick wolf]

I CAN'T BE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THEM

[slow spade]

But you won't be rich

[fickle narwhal]

then comand voice has no sense at all if this was the case

[buoyant knoll]

1 sharpshooter vet is enough to clear all the trash range with a lasgun

[slow spade]

At the minimum, it protects you

[thick wolf]

also zealot's loner aura

[slow spade]

I think that's a good thing :p

[buoyant knoll]

the problem is the annoying minion that swarming you, while your team do 0 thing to pretect you

[slow spade]

Yeah rip zealot

[fickle narwhal]

i can understand zealots going alone cause they have some tools for that, but man what about vets going alone and dying that faar i hate it

[tame lodge]

There's also a grim scripture hunt atm

[slow spade]

Darktide has always had a dogshit average skill level

[thick wolf]

yeah but imagine in a pub and no one's playing the sharpshooter vet

unless you have someone who's incredibly good at dealing ranged trash without being vet

[buoyant knoll]

don't say that to people on reddit, they tear you apart.

[slow spade]

Assail psyker

[thick wolf]

which in half of the pubs I have, it's a complete coin toss

[slow spade]

Who do you think I'm referring to?

[fickle narwhal]

people really hate to kill snipers

[slow spade]

The reddit warriors that don't understand the tools they use :p

[buoyant knoll]

I do play sharpshooter vet pretty regularly, but people don't protect me when I'm messing up these range. Goddamn ogryn and zealot.

[thick wolf]

and half the vets I run to always run with plasma or boltgun

[slow spade]

To be fair, they like to hide a lot

[thick wolf]

and don't even try dealing with the ranged threats properly

ironically boltpistol users are trying their best to do that

[slow spade]

And people don't mark

[fickle narwhal]

it happen to me when i do the same, maybe a talent skill to repel enemies when you shoot would be interesting

[thick wolf]

gotta rely on the witch™️ to help you

[buoyant knoll]

like sharpshooter vet literally handle 90% of the range shooting at you, and people don't protect them.

[thick wolf]

even on my stealth shotgunner or grenadier I want those trash ranged dead

[fickle narwhal]

to be fair darktide some time gets really chaotic, hard to keep the control of the situation

[tough tiger]

Sometimes i have to snipe snipers with a zealot throwing knife cuz apparently everyone else cant see the bright red laser

[buoyant knoll]

I just completed all the sharpshooter vet penance today, feels pretty gud about myself lol.

so I'm gonna excuse these zealot and ogryn

[lavish solar]

At this point maybe just do infiltrate and the -threat node for uninterrupted shooting

[slow spade]

Tbh at higher difficulty, you usually don't shoot shooters

You run up to them and melee

[thick wolf]

until you see a scab gunner

[lavish solar]

ES has a nasty habit of making one have tunnel vision and reluctant to switch to melee

[thick wolf]

in which for some reason since this update, they are even more of a menace than before

[lavish solar]

At least that’s what it’s like for me

[fickle narwhal]

shootgunners disagree on that i mean they literally can push you like a ping pong ball

[runic grove]

and psword 6 is specia-blockcancel - lmb spam against horde?

[slow spade]

They stop shooting and try to melee you instead for the most part

[thick wolf]

they changed Executioner's Stance to not disable when you pull out your melee

[slow spade]

Dodge + slide at them

[fickle narwhal]

they usually should spawn at a pack

[slow spade]

Indeed

[thick wolf]

like oh my god

[buoyant knoll]

I can imagine running into 12+ gunner and elite on damnation is not a very pleasant thing

[thick wolf]

I've seen scab gunners just rip apart zealots more than I remember

[tough tiger]

Shotgunners are just free toughness

[slow spade]

If they stagger, then shoot of course

[lavish solar]

Yes but oftentimes it’s not 1 or 2 stragglers coming for you it’s the whole horde

[thick wolf]

I don't remember scab gunners being this much of a menace pre-crafting update

[lavish solar]

And at that point you better forget all about ES and try to cut through it

[balmy rain]

How viable is a Veteran Bolt Gun/power sword build?

[thick wolf]

meanwhile dreg gunners are like harmless by comparison

[balmy rain]

mainly the bolt gun part

[lavish solar]

Yes

[slow spade]

That's a very strong combo

Even better once they unfuck the power sword

[balmy rain]

Love the bolt gun, but I'm worried about it's viability as a "jack of all trades" weapon to be used constantly for the Veteran. As in not just "pick out specials", but for everything you want... I just love this weapon

[lavish solar]

It’s going to be a bit clunky but yeah really powerful

[balmy rain]

Why is it fucked?

[fickle narwhal]

RUN FORREST

[buoyant knoll]

they don't want us to have the best weapon in the game.

[balmy rain]

They definitely made the clunk a bit better, not as bad anymore. but yeah whipping it out and reloading is so slow haha

[slow spade]

You can't refresh the buff when the buff is active so it tends to turn off randomly

[balmy rain]

I mean like HOW is it fucked

[balmy rain]

oh... is the buff not based on hits?

like 3 hits and it goes off, not a timer

[fickle narwhal]

lol i thought power sword works like that and i though what a shit lmao

[slow spade]

It is but refreshing the buff does NOT refresh the time nor the hits

[thick wolf]

clearly the bug is anti-power sword propaganda

[lavish solar]

With the bolter yes, I’m a bit more worried about the power sword

[slow spade]

So do you have 1 hit or 3 hits left? Who knows lol

[lavish solar]

Not a super big deal tho

[thick wolf]

fatshark wanting you to use anything other than psword

[balmy flume]

Consider le Bolt Pistol.
All the Boltgun power with none of the weaknesses.
Though admittedly you lose the double tap, but…you rarely rapid fire Boltguns unless things have gone deep south.

[fickle narwhal]

guys what do you think about demolition team skills perk, do you recomend it?

[slow spade]

Or a boss spawns

[slow spade]

Depends on grenade

[lavish solar]

It also has half the magazine which can be a problem

[slow spade]

Smoke and shredder frag like demo team

[thick wolf]

lmao

[slow spade]

Krak doesn't care

[thick wolf]

smoke grenade with all the grenade perks

vape build

[buoyant knoll]

real question tho, are most people in darktide reddit bad at the game?

[slow spade]

Everyone is blind 😎

[lavish solar]

Yes

[slow spade]

Most players in general

[lavish solar]

Because it’s actually dead

[slow spade]

Go to a lobby, inspect the average player

[thick wolf]

the strike team asking the vet if he's lighting up a vape before telling them "what the fuck is wrong with you"

[slow spade]

Weep

[lavish solar]

I’m the only one on it using 500 pseudo accounts to have conversations with myself

And I know for a fact that I’m bad at the game

[balmy rain]

ooh I see... what is considered the "meta weapon" or just a decent "all arounder" weapon for the Veteran?

cause the power sword is like the unique weapon, the cool unique thing about veterans melee

[slow spade]

A good way to have a laugh is to send screenshots of random people's builds to each other

[fickle narwhal]

i have this at the moment, i'm thinking about 5% crit or that demolition team

[slow spade]

You get some weird shit

[balmy rain]

wonder what's an "all arounder"/"jack of all trades" for Veteran, like the Crusher is for Zealot

also

LOVE me some combos

[lavish solar]

Without knowing any more of your needs probably plasma and/or recon lasgun?

[slow spade]

Shredder likes demo team

[balmy rain]

weapon with lots of combos/having to switch between heavy, light, push etc.

flowing

[buoyant knoll]

revolver.

[slow spade]

Can't go wrong with crit or demo team so use what feels best

[lavish solar]

Oh melee?

Ummmmm Rashad

[balmy rain]

lmao, just count 3 head

[slow spade]

Meta is Rashad Combat Axe, Mk6 knife, and Power Sword

[fickle narwhal]

5% looks low, but there is tons of elite enemies so i'm gonna try it

[thick wolf]

what a vet with all grenade talents throw smoke grenades in the mission be like

[slow spade]

True UwU

[balmy rain]

Just personally it does seem kind of annoying to have to rebuff it every 3 attacks... like maybe 5 attacks? or 7 or smthng... or a timer

[shell python]

what were they robbing, fucking vapecon?

[slow spade]

It USED to be a max of 7

With infinite cleave

[lavish solar]

I want to get shovels and hs to work but so far anything beyond regular damnation high intensity makes me feel really insecure

[slow spade]

Naturally they nerfed that lol

[lavish solar]

So probably need more experience with those

[balmy rain]

I don't like the bolt pistol. I get the added mobility of it, but it just feels so weird and weak compared to bolt gun. I LOVE the 2 tap/automatic fire of the bolt gun.

also hate how this game has to do tilted aiming with pistols ugghh

[slow spade]

It has a timer too

Its just you normally use all 3 charges first

[thick wolf]

same thing happens when you have a smoke grenade vet enjoyer as well

[balmy rain]

I was moreso asking for a melee weapon

[thick wolf]

would be even more hilarious if the smoke grenade also disorients the melee trash as well

[balmy rain]

The Plasma could be cool I guess, I never have liked heating mechanics in videogames, but gotta try it to find out

[lavish solar]

Then probably Rashad or just the shovel, apparently that’s a good jack of all trades

[slow spade]

Rashad combat axe is the most universally good melee weapon atm

[thick wolf]

I didn't like the fact that plasma overheat is just inconsequential lol

compared to psyker peril

[balmy rain]

everything else other than the power sword is just so damn lame 🥲

[slow spade]

Yeah...

[thick wolf]

sure you have psyker talents that stop you from blowing up, but plasma is mitigated by not using the charged attack at all

[slow spade]

I really want to use the power sword too

[tame lodge]

Take more charged shots

You'll be fine

Trust me

[lavish solar]

It’s basically a big middle finger to anything that you want to remove from existence

[balmy rain]

WHAT... Why did they ever nerf it... that's so lame

[lavish solar]

Point, click, delete

[slow spade]

7 powered attacks

Bruh

[lavish solar]

It was way too op

[balmy rain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281985194911600641/1282609921564868641/UwU.gif

[lavish solar]

Still is at 3 charged attacks imo

[tame lodge]

Because it was straight up broken overpowered

The unhealthy kind

[balmy rain]

bruh... could they have made a lamer looking melee weapon 😭

[slow spade]

A Grey power sword at release is stronger than a fully upgraded power sword today

[balmy rain]

yep, it's like THE cool weapon Veteran has (at least to me)

[lavish solar]

Well there IS the mk4 devils claw

Giant exacto knife vibe

[thick wolf]

moebian 6th vet set is spooky at dark lighting

[balmy rain]

I use Crusher as Zealot for the versatility and engaging comboes/coolness.

powersword thingy for Psyker and Gunlugger most of the time for Ogryn with the pickaxe or shield

the cool

unique stuff

[lavish solar]

Well yes but for vet you get 2 (at the moment) broken power swords and a shovel

Maybe try the shovel

[slow spade]

Looks extra cool if you add force sword effects on it c:

[balmy rain]

I just wish I could swing more without having to "reset" the weapon all the time

[balmy rain]

lol true I guess

most of the weapons are just so lame

[thick wolf]

truth

[balmy rain]

1 handed lame ass weapons

no dual wielding? like what

[thick wolf]

the powersword visually looks so lame compared to the forcesword

[balmy rain]

no shields?

[thick wolf]

forcesword meanwhile visually looks like I have the power of god in my hands

[slow spade]

Give me combi-bolters fatshark

[balmy rain]

Ogryn has that basically lol

[balmy rain]

yeee

[lavish solar]

I kinda liked having no 2h weapons for vet, kinda plays into the militaristic aspect

[balmy rain]

except the Psyker has a powersword too

that looks cooler lol

cooler handle/guard

cooler blade

cooler effect

[lavish solar]

But again it’s 40k so having 2h weapons is probably better

[balmy rain]

and one of them has the slash effect instead of the "get stuck on mob" effect lol

though I don't think you can get it from 1 to 3 charges 🥺

[lavish solar]

Yes but for each charge the power sword can swing up to 3 times

While the force sword does 1

[balmy rain]

oh yeah the forcesword. TRUE!

[balmy rain]

Veteran just got SHAFTED

[lavish solar]

Also just fyi the mk 6 power sword oneshots crushers

So it’s strong af

[balmy rain]

Veteran feels like the least unique character. Not just "oh you are call of duty shooter", but that you get so little cool unique stuff

[thick wolf]

then again I'm not the biggest lover of power swords so I'm not exactly feeling much

I mean vets are basically the every soldier man

[slow spade]

You can always get mods to make more satisfying weapons

[balmy rain]

What does he even get that is unique to him? 1 melee weapon and 1 ranged weapon? really...

oh no

2 ranged

[slow spade]

Weapon Customization mod is on the other discord

[thick wolf]

sometimes I just want to be john ramirez with only viewmodel hands as my only visual appearance

with no special abilities, just gun

[lavish solar]

Yep, kinda neat imo

Seeing just the average guy using experience and wits to survive and do shit

[buoyant knoll]

not really I think, he the only class with 3 different playstyle. Other class have 1 or 2.

[balmy rain]

Yeah I get that, same with Psyker. I am fine with 2 handed being Zealot and Ogryn thing

[hallow island]

hi im new is there a tier list of weapon types that are most effective for the vet

[lavish solar]

Power sword, shovels, plasma, helbore

[thick wolf]

I mean ffs

[lavish solar]

Not too bad all things considered

[thick wolf]

psyker and zealot have his starter shovel in the prologue

but they can't use them afterwards

[balmy rain]

well it's not the average guy, it's a VETERAN, someone with YEARS of training and experience

[lavish solar]

That’s like 2 of the most op weapons the game has to offer

[thick wolf]

considering its 40k, veteran may as well be the everyman compared to like, the three other classes

[balmy rain]

How so?

[thick wolf]

I mean zealot has superpowers for christ sakes

[tame lodge]

When it comes to ranged weapons
Every weapon works except the Shredder Auto Pistol
Check the first link on pins for more info

[balmy rain]

Also is the right most capstone thingy viable at all? don't really see or hear anyone using it

[lavish solar]

Compare that to someone literally too zealous to die, an ogryn smart enough to use auspex, and a psyker

[balmy rain]

the melee/ranged capstone

[tame lodge]

Just keep in mind some stuff will change

[lavish solar]

Yea he’s pretty average

[balmy rain]

It seems cool, but it's probably weak as hell

[lavish solar]

That’s actually one of the stronger keystones

[balmy rain]

it was what I went with in Roguetrader lol. the versatility of ranged and melee

[tame lodge]

It's strong as shit lmao

[buoyant knoll]

you can do elite or gunner killer with sharpshooter. Playing fast, stealth and mess their backline up as an infriltrator. Playing as a melee commissar with support and cc.

[balmy rain]

Ogryn has shovel, but yeah

[thick wolf]

interestingly enough tho, the moebian 6th set for vet screams more like a sneaky stealth guy

[hallow island]

thank you!

[thick wolf]

the lack of helmet probably would do

goddamn it fatshark

I'm torn between my inquisition drip or this

[buoyant knoll]

wait im gonna post my drip soon.

[balmy rain]

Imagine wanting to play the guy with a SHOVEL, when you can play a dude with a 2 handed hammer or crusher, or a dude with a huge cool looking "magic" sword

[lavish solar]

wdym zealots can charge up to a heretic’s face and delete him; hold up a relic, casually walk up and delete him; or go stealth to run up and delete him

[balmy rain]

well I was more so talking about fun to use and the fantasy of the weapon

[lavish solar]

Obviously 3 completely unique playstyles no? /j

[balmy rain]

like style

[thick wolf]

karker's creepy when you put him on dark lighting

[buoyant knoll]

thats 1 playstyle: delete him. Can zealot do reliable gun damage?

[thick wolf]

his lenses g l o w

[lavish solar]

I was joking man

[buoyant knoll]

my zealot was screeching in heresy noise

[balmy rain]

huh?

[tame lodge]

Wait, you're telling me that there's more keystones than Martyrdom
Damn

[balmy rain]

is it though? don't really see any builds for it

[lavish solar]

Also kinda but not really

[thick wolf]

imagine being alone in a dark room and you see this glowing eyes creeping out a corner

[balmy rain]

I mean Zealot got that too... you can do like tanky support, stealthy special/boss "sniper" and then just full ham melee clearer

[lavish solar]

With a laspistol a zealot can be decently okay at dispatching gunners and specialists, but it’s more of a utility weapon than a main means for dealing damage so I get what ur saying

[thick wolf]

no wonder the scab ranged looked so threatening

[tame lodge]

That's because 90% of games lantern build is hotdog water

[balmy rain]

also Ogryn has a full on damage capstone, a tank one and a fully ranged one

[balmy rain]

are they? what site should I use then or is there any really?

[buoyant knoll]

I got a zealot and his playstyle roughly the same no matter you build him.

[balmy rain]

I mean I don't care about pure meta

cause pure meta is so boring to me in this game

[thick wolf]

that being said

[balmy rain]

but to get some insight to what is good and what is doo doo

[thick wolf]

I am disturbed by the endangered species that is book zealot in my pubs

[hollow phoenix]

Book too slow, must go in and kill

Dash forever

[tame lodge]

With weapon Specialist you can just juggle between melee and ranged without needing to reload your weapon

[hollow phoenix]

Rip and tear in the God Emperor’s name

[balmy rain]

I mean in the way that you are always going full ham melee? sure yeah

[earnest bone]

im seeing a lot of book zealots these days in maelstroms and sometimes in aurics

and they play well too (well, for pubs)

[tame lodge]

Or straight up go A10 warthog on them heretics

[thick wolf]

I wish I have that luck

book zealot is always appreciated

[balmy rain]

good support, but such a lame ability to use

[hollow phoenix]

I’m making a Double Barrel Speed Vet currently

[buoyant knoll]

check drip.

[earnest bone]

facts

[lavish solar]

To me vet has the unique ability to make basically whatever gun he has access to feel fun and unique to use which is not something I can say about any other class, so maybe base ur build and play style around ur range weapon or choice, then it will stop feeling so samey samey

[balmy rain]

Yeah that seems like the most fun way to play Veteran to me, the left tree is GOD AWFUL, I do not want to stand still and the middle tree is okay, kinda annoying to constantly be spamming mark but I mean it's okay

[hollow phoenix]

Vet is THE gun platform character

[uncut ore]

Damn, recent games going poorly

back in my day vets could carry with nothing but a lasgun and an Infinite grenade pouch

[thick wolf]

except autopistol

[hollow phoenix]

Every other character specializes in some form of gun

[thick wolf]

autopistol is just depressing

[lavish solar]

Exactly

[hollow phoenix]

But he can use any and make it work well

[uncut ore]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling-old-man-news-the-simpsons-gif-5498361754025948763

[glacial marlin]

What enemies does gunner damage resistance affect?

[hollow phoenix]

Like sure you can run Laspistol on Zealot

But shotgun and flamethrower is much more effective

[lavish solar]

At that point just spec all in on melee and use the auto pistol to suppress whatever’s in the vague direction ur running toward I guess

[thick wolf]

gunners??

I mean its self explanatory

just gunners

[broken spade]

pretty sure it also affects reapers

[thick wolf]

oh, those too

[tame lodge]

Gunners are not shooters nor stalkers

[broken spade]

that's about it though

[thick wolf]

I find reapers more of a joke most of the time compared to

LINE OF SCAB GUNNERS

[broken spade]

doesn't affect shotgunners either

[lavish solar]

Which makes no sense and is actually so annoying

But that’s fatshark I guess

[buoyant knoll]

what would you do when 8 armored rager running at you?

[glacial marlin]

So no shotgunners resistance then

[broken spade]

shotgunners are not gunners apparently

[hollow phoenix]

What’s scarier: a guy who can go invisible and blasts you away with a double barrel, or a coked up lunatic praising a god charging at you while he’s bleeding to death willing to put that double barrel where the sun don’t shine?

[thick wolf]

scab trash panicking after seeing a dipshit use the worst gun in the game

[lavish solar]

lmfao so true

[thick wolf]

psychological warfare

[lavish solar]

I think lorewise that might be how voice of command works

[thick wolf]

the latter

[broken spade]

it's like throwing sand in their eyes

autopistol is just pocket sand in a gun

[hollow phoenix]

My zealot is honestly hilarious, he’s my shortest character and debatably my most insane one

[thick wolf]

the best of the best traitor guardsmen

gets psychologically attacked by a literal peashooter

no wonder they lost

[balmy rain]

flame feels like poop to me... love the bolter

[tame lodge]

Tbf they needed to make those small boys threatening somehow
They are pretty tame until they form firing lines

[hollow phoenix]

Bolter is fun but the reload hurts me

[lavish solar]

I mean they can’t handle a fucking pocket knife so no wonder indeed xd

[hollow phoenix]

double barrel and Eviscerator is just Doomslayer

[thick wolf]

"LOYALISTS SIGHTE- oh god he's using an autopistol"

[hollow phoenix]

Papa Nurgle’s strongest Mauler when the funny big guy throws a rock at them

[lavish solar]

True, but now they can overwhelm teams just through sheer numbers and the fact that they like to spread out all over the place and can’t be tagged

[thick wolf]

the image of an elite guardsman of the moebian 6th getting his shit kicked in by some dipshit with a swiss army knife

[balmy rain]

flamethrower is just for clearing trash mobs... like thats what you already do lol, and even at that it feels weaker than melee weapons.... Flamethrower is cool but in gameplay it feels useless... cant pick out specials with it

[lavish solar]

“Oh god oh fuck”
panik

[thick wolf]

then again this is this same game world

[hollow phoenix]

That’s what hammer is for

Or in my case the funny chainsaw sword

[thick wolf]

where some dinky ass revolver deals more damage than an ogryn's 50 cal twin barreled john moses browning gpmg

[lavish solar]

Not just for trash, it removes entire mixed hordes with any amount of elites mixed in, which can be really helpful under stress

[balmy rain]

yea but with crusher I can do everything, with hammer clearing trash feels like ass... but even the flamer feels like ass to clear hordes with, way better to use a bolter for it lol

[lavish solar]

But yeah it misses out big time with anti-specialist, probably best to take throwing knives

[balmy rain]

maybe if the flamer did more immediate damage and had like double the ammunition?

[thick wolf]

except that would be stepping the toes of psyker purgatus

[lavish solar]

It’s strong in its use case as is

Problem (if there is one) is that its use case is pretty niche

[tame lodge]

Flamer Knife is arguably the strongest build in the game

It's not even funny

[lavish solar]

Tried it out yesterday with friends, can confirm

gets slightly less ideal when everybody brings flamers tho

[thick wolf]

4 zealots

[tame lodge]

Plus they gave Everlasting Flames which is just Charmed Reload

[balmy rain]

what kinda melee weapon to go with it? and why is it so strong

[tame lodge]

What infinite cleave + Huge AoE does to game

[thick wolf]

also

I've swapped my knife to a starter shovel for my stealth shotgunner

it had no right to somehow work

[lavish solar]

It can help deal with really nasty situations when ur team is about to get overwhelmed

[thick wolf]

trading away movement speed for a poop scooper you found in a sewer

[tame lodge]

Flamer will kill anything that isn't a Crusher
So you bring something to deal with Carapace like a knife
And if specialists and whatever is your problem, throwing knife

[thick wolf]

and its somehow working

sure I don't run as fast anymore but it really helps with the horde

[grizzled pebble]

Been op since game released

Veri cool

[lavish solar]

Sooooo Thunder Hammer, throwing knives and flamer?

[grizzled pebble]

Bleed knife!

[tame lodge]

Yeah that has been a match for a while

[lavish solar]

Okay now I really need to try this

[tame lodge]

And I guess DS4 Flamer is peak rn

[stray stream]

U got a nice build in mind for that ?

[thick wolf]

starter shovel man

also ignore the other vet who's totally not an ork in disguise

[tame lodge]

No you'll have to ask zealot chat

[stray stream]

Makes sense

[balmy flume]

So…the train mission is also RNG on the hive map?

[balmy rain]

Thunder hammer would also do the job right? And look cooler in the process

[balmy flume]

I was looking forward to some train fun but it seems my map RNG hates me…

[balmy rain]

also what ability to go with it? stealth or charge? also capstone preference? More crit or inexorable

[elder fiber]

You want primary with mobility to offset flamer shitty movement

[balmy rain]

is martyrdom ever better than the left or right capstone?

[elder fiber]

capstone is preference

yes

[lavish solar]

Not really

[balmy rain]

hmmm i guesss but a knife is so lame, well ill try them out

[lavish solar]

Thunder Hammer is mainly for removing that one thing you really want dead

[elder fiber]

ult on flamer is preference too since chastise adm was killed a few patches ago

[frank ledge]

Veteran should run shock maul

at all times

[lavish solar]

Hoard clear is mid at best

[tame lodge]

Well Dueling Sword 4 is the alternative to knife

[balmy rain]

ehh still lame but yeah I get it

[hollow phoenix]

Or be me and just bring a DB, that thing rips people apart like it’s nothing

[fickle narwhal]

is this bolter damage too low?

[lavish solar]

Sadly yes

[fickle narwhal]

faaaaaaaaaaaaack

[hollow phoenix]

This make me realize I really need to stick with one character to get my gear up like that

[fickle narwhal]

can a weapon have every stats at 80%?(btw why 80 is the top and not 100?)

[lavish solar]

No, 5 stats add up to a maximum of 380 with a hard cap for each individual one at 80

So for example if a weapon has 4 stats with 80 then the last one is capped at 60

[fickle narwhal]

oh i see, i guess damage is the most important stat at the bolter right?

[lavish solar]

For bolters I guess what you want is 60 in mobility and 80 in everything else, or as close to that as possible

[fickle narwhal]

still have a decent damage to be fair

[hollow phoenix]

What would a DB want then?

[lavish solar]

Wait what actually is a DB

[hollow phoenix]

Double Barrel

[lavish solar]

Everything except mobility I guess?

[hollow phoenix]

I think Vet can make it hella accurate, I know Zealot can with that one perk that reduces spread on a dodge

[lavish solar]

Haven’t played it a bunch so mainly guessing here

[hollow phoenix]

I’d argue you’d want mobility on it cause you’re gonna be running around like a lunatic with it

Needing to get up close with it

[thick wolf]

does DB have stability as a stat?

[lavish solar]

Yes but not at the expense of any other stat imo

[hollow phoenix]

It has 2 shots and is a shotgun

Stability is a liability

[slow spade]

There's very few weapons where Mobility isn't the immediate dumpstat if not all of them

[hollow phoenix]

[thick wolf]

but does DB have stability as a stat?

[hollow phoenix]

Idk

[slow spade]

Doesn't stability affect hipfire accuracy?

[lavish solar]

Damage and stopping power determines how much damage it deals, range determines how far away you can be while deleting stuff, reload speed is just that

[hollow phoenix]

I’m not playing right now cause I’m in class

[thick wolf]

it also affects weapon recoil

I think

[split sapphire]

My bolter has 545 dmg. At 80%

[hollow phoenix]

Well my class hasn’t started yet, I’m just sitting in the room

[slow spade]

Shitposting at work myself

[thick wolf]

I kinda wish the kantrael fire rounds feel like they're actually dealing damage

[hollow phoenix]

Is it a good sign I fire a DB at a Crusher and one shot it? Or at least I think I one shot it?

[thick wolf]

combined with how kantrael shotgun has the lowest ammo pool compared to lawbringer and agrippina

[somber axle]

For using the Double Barrel Shotgun if you get the Both Barrels blessing and/or Always Prepared talent under Weapon Specialist you can probably safely dump stat reload speed but the benefits of mobility above 60% are negligible afaik

[tame lodge]

Damage, Mobility, Range, Reload Speed and Stopping Power are the DB stats

[lavish solar]

I guess, not sure how tho

[thick wolf]

ok so no stability, got it

forgor

[hollow phoenix]

Who needs range on a shotgun

Just barrel stuff the mf

[thick wolf]

me because I'm tired of doom 3-ass shotguns

[lavish solar]

As a slug enjoyer I would have to disagree with ur take on range

But I get it

[tame lodge]

Shotguns in this game goes really far

[hollow phoenix]

If the DB was a slug I’d agree

But it’s not

It’s hella buckshot

[red robin]

Damage falloff I be hating

[fickle narwhal]

lmao someone fuck my 10 auric strike triggering the demon host and disconecting, i'm a little bit angry

[hollow phoenix]

Was it a shield Oggy?

Shield Oggy’s love starting Dhost

I should know

I’m the Shield Oggy

[fickle narwhal]

no, it was a vet, seems like he was just ragequitting cause he pulls the demon and then bye bye fucking bad luck man

[grim moon]

what perks for zarona revolver?

[hollow phoenix]

Hot take: Shield Oggy’s are best Oggy’s

[fickle narwhal]

usually there is no problems with shield ogryms since they can tank it very well but that idiot just fuck the full premade

[tame lodge]

Can't go wrong with Flak Maniac or elites in some cases

[grim moon]

thanks

[thick wolf]

crit chance perk

[balmy flume]

Dumb question
How do you do the train mini game?

[oak aspen]

It’s fine, damage is basically a dump stat

[idle swallow]

Keep the ball in the middle of the screen with small stick adjustments, letting the ball fall to the side halts progress. Takes a while to complete

Basically balance boarding it

[thick wolf]

also takes thirty goddamn seconds and is HORRIBLE if you have high ping

[balmy flume]

I might actually leave this to the Ogryn lol

Thx

[thick wolf]

yeah the minigame requires an Ogryn, ironically

since he can't be taken out of the minigame when he's damaged

[oak aspen]

just cover your teammates?

[thick wolf]

oh yeah sure

especially in pubs and in higher difficulties

[idle swallow]

an impossible concept to most pubbers

[thick wolf]

where the timer is decreased

[oak aspen]

this is true

[thick wolf]

30 seconds of that blasted minigame with a timer on your ass

[oak aspen]

only timed mission and your teammates decided to smell the roses half way across the map

[somber axle]

It's much easier to do if you have Infiltrate and Low Profile

Otherwise good luck

[thick wolf]

even that gurantees like

roughly twenty seconds?

[somber axle]

You are entirely at the mercy of whether or not your team can cover you

[thick wolf]

hence, in how long that minigame takes

[somber axle]

18 seconds

[thick wolf]

you may as well have an Ogryn in your team at all times

[somber axle]

But if you get Overwatch

2 charges

36 seconds

[buoyant knoll]

damn it good to have a good team on auric.

[sharp echo]

uhhh don't get overwatch

[somber axle]

So if you get bonked out of it you can hit the second charge and have a bit of leeway for messing up

Low Profile and Overwatch are fine

Just don't do 3 or 4 sub nodes of Infiltrate

[sharp echo]

oh lmao

[idle swallow]

I usually just do low profile cuz I'm points greedy

[somber axle]

You absolutely do not need more than 2 nodes at most

[sharp echo]

I'm a dumbass and forgot i was in a darktide chat and that there was a node called "overwatch"

[somber axle]

Plus Overwatch is ok if you have ability CD regen perks on your curios

Infiltrate CD: 45 sec
Infiltrate CD with Overwatch: 60 sec
4% x 3 = 12% ability regen
12% of 60 = 7.2
12% of 45 = 5.4
Infiltrate CD with perks: 39.6
Infiltrate Overwatch CD with perks: 52.8
Then factor in Tactical Awareness dropping the CD by 6 sec every special kill
Without Overwatch you need 6-7 special kills to bring back the CD immediately after
Or 8-9 special kills with Overwatch
It also helps for keeping the CD rolling when the ability is ready with 1 charge but you haven't needed to use it recently

Overwatch is nice to have if you can afford the extra point but there are so many more important things to grab usually

[fickle narwhal]

demolition team my beloved, i'm the fucking bomberman

[hollow phoenix]

Which class can do an explosive build the best?

I feel like it’s either Vet or Ogryn

[viral nacelle]

Trauma staff in shambles

Literally all boom all the time

[hollow phoenix]

Forgot that existed

I literally have no idea what it does

[viral nacelle]

You point the circle of boom at baddies and then they go boom

[hollow phoenix]

How many staves are there?

I know inferno, voidblast, voidstrike, and electrokinesis

[loud flower]

Fellow vets, what are your Bolter perks and blessings recommendations ?

I am running this set-up, but i feel like i could be doing better

[tall torrent]

this is not correct

with 12% CDR from curio perks and Overwatch's +33% CD
u get 45s (1+33%-12%) = 54.45s CD

[last marten]

i see people dumping reload speed a lot in game

[loud flower]

Rather then mobility? Thinking about it, it can make sense

ideally everything will be dead in one mag, so who needs to reload

[somber axle]

Oh I see! It's all done as one calculation and not the talent applying the CD increase then the CD reduction kicking in after

Fatshark math is so tricky

Overwatch is still nice to have though. Less uptime if you're using Infiltrate on CD every time it is up, but with the natural downtime of maps your timer is almost always ticking away to another charge while Infiltrate without Overwatch has moments where it is available but not needed

[woven oak]

I like Surgical as a blessing to give you a bit more ability to deal with specials at range. But I'm also struggling to find a Boltgun build that clicks for me.

[terse gate]

I feel my biggest problem with playing zealot is I seem to always get terrible vets

[barren tiger]

So I need some insight fellow vet players.

I love the power sword, but it seems it’s only good when things are “smooth”. In clutch moments it’s difficult for me to block, fast hit, etc and survive.

Is there another weapon that I can try out? (Returning player so not up-to-date on everything)

[loud flower]

You can cancel the activation animation on the power sword if you hold block right after activating

Which leades to faster powered attacks and such. But if you want to try out other weapons, a good chain sword will do the job

[fickle narwhal]

Rashaad people love that axe

me too to be fair

[earnest bone]

Rashad mk3, Chainsword mk13, MK1 standard shovel
Dueling sword 4
for blessings and perks check pinned guide

[loud flower]

This is a chainsword i use to just spam ligth attacks

It was my best one before the update, now i need to go after a better roll

[nimble canyon]

anyone know good blessing and perks reccomendations on the shredder pistol?

[stray stream]

Pinned guide

[barren tiger]

Is the dueling sword good for hoards clearing as well? I think I’m looking for a well rounded weapon and others have stated chain sword is good. But the dueling sword seems interesting

[slow spade]

"Eventually" is the best way to describe its hordeclear

[barren tiger]

Gotchya

[terse idol]

I think dumping reload can really suck for some weapons

[slow spade]

It can kite for days but you're only killing like 2 guys per swing

[terse idol]

Especially lord forbid if it starts to affect your staged reloads

[slow spade]

Dump mobility on bolter

[barren tiger]

Yeah that seems to be the other end of an extreme from what I got already, I’ll try the chain sword. Sounds like a more middle of the road type gameplay

[slow spade]

Like you're not moving with a bolter as you intend to shoot with it

[slow spade]

The axes with brutal momentum help too

[barren tiger]

Tyvm everyone.

[slow spade]

Here's one the strongest axes

[terse idol]

Also imo run, cavalade and shattering impact, or surgical and glory hunter.

[slow spade]

Change flak to whatever enemy type you hate the most, including flak

[barren tiger]

So flak

[terse idol]

Surgical for boltgun is cracked

[slow spade]

I mean if you hate flak then use flak

[terse idol]

At least for vet

[slow spade]

I use Maniac

Because trappers are the anti-christ

[terse idol]

Why flak?

I swear we had this conversation before

You run carapace

[slow spade]

Dreg bruisers have flak on head

[terse idol]

At least imo

[terse idol]

It isn't as important as scab brusier 1 tap

[slow spade]

Dreg bruisers are now 1-hit kill

[terse idol]

Which is why you run unarmoured

[slow spade]

The logic is now you have both

[terse idol]

You lose out on lower-kill break points for crushers.

[slow spade]

Carapace is fine because you stagger on heavy

Or you just have a gun

[terse idol]

I mean

Eh I dunno

I prefer cara for lower breakpoint on crusher

[slow spade]

You can but it mostly depends on your build

[terse idol]

And dredge brusiers are squishy enough that gaining 1 stack of headtaker is gonna push you over for brutal momentum

[slow spade]

Like a revolver + rashad doesn't really care about rashad crusher damage

[terse idol]

But you still build the same

And carapace is more relevant for maulers

Cause overheads will always hit maulers heads

[slow spade]

Depends on build as you can sacrifice points for things like toughness

[slow spade]

Second verse same as the first, depends on build

[terse idol]

I'm in the thought process that if you're running the rashad anyways you'll be running alot of talent support for it anyways

But now you can just roll god rashads

So you can get away with like 1 free point

[terse idol]

Like ahhh me opinion leaking
You can say that about literally any perk combo

It's just about maximizing what that specific tool you're picking can do

[slow spade]

"Just change based on what you hate the most" why the fuck do you think I said that

Crushers and maulers are easy for vet anyways

[terse idol]

In this case building for the rashad gives it alot more

Yeah if you're building your gun for it sure

[slow spade]

Yeah

Aka building a normal vet

[terse idol]

I will recommend the heavy sword

Although worse vs cara

[barren tiger]

Thats a new one I havnt heard of 😮

I’m assuming it’s decent at both hoard clear and survivability?

[slow spade]

It better be :p that's what its designed for

Keep in mind it has poor armor pen

[barren tiger]

My build is more centered around my firearm so Im lacking in the melee department a little with power sword

[slow spade]

So things with flak will make you sad :c

[terse idol]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/heavy-sword/turtolsky-mk-ix-heavy-sword

[barren tiger]

Think I’ll try that before the chain sword, since chain sword sounds solid and a good failsafe lol

Tyvm

[terse idol]

Yeah at least imo cause it gives you enough stamina so you don't lose your block so easily

[barren tiger]

Fat bet

[terse idol]

Flak maniac my beloved

😌

[slow spade]

Obligatory rending too

[grand perch]

good ol turtlesky sword

[terse idol]

What's blessings do you run for heavy sword anywho?

I'm running uhh

Headtaker perfect strike

Probably gonna swap for headtaker deathblow

[slow spade]

I mean there's only 1 real way to use heavy sword

Headtaker + deathblow

[terse idol]

Deathblow when it's just BM

[slow spade]

Indeed

Sadly any other blessings aren't worth it in comparison

[terse idol]

The curse of death blow and brutal momentum

[slow spade]

At the very least, its a simple sword to set up

[nimble canyon]

is shredder pistol any good?

[slow spade]

No, its actively the worst vet weapon

You can still make it work

But bringing it to aurics is going to make people sad

[nimble canyon]

i can tell, how do you make it work lol

[slow spade]

Idk, the pinned guide covers it

I haven't used shredder pistol in almost a year

[opaque crane]

anyone else run into this cosmetic bug?

[terse idol]

Omg Swagger hi!

[nimble canyon]

no it doesnt lol. they kinda just said "yeah this is ass dont use it"

[somber axle]

No but you can use it in Aurics if you want tobbe silly

[nimble canyon]

is helbore decent?

[slow spade]

Oh well, its accurate at least Flak + Maniac

Pinning Fire + Blaze Away

[misty delta]

flak/maniac
pinning fire/blaze away

hell.

[nimble canyon]

i need to max lvl it

[slow spade]

It hasn't changed since it got giga-nerfed

[nimble canyon]

what about helborn?

[somber axle]

I used it with Pinning Fire and Blaze Away, Rending Strikes/Onslaught, Flak/Carapace and hit Exe Stance to shoot Crushers with it for funsies

It's not very good at it

But it's still funny to do

[misty delta]

dont ask me about helbores I use unconventional builds with those

[slow spade]

It should be something like Maniac + Elite, Weight of Fire + Surgical

Idk for sure

[uncut pebble]

Helbore is simultaneously the best and worst weapon for vet.

[misty delta]

^

[uncut pebble]

It has insane single target dps, excellent ammo economy, and it shits out nonstop crits.

[misty delta]

Weight of fire is only really worth it on mk3 or whatever the number is nowadays. The brown one.

[uncut pebble]

This is false.

Weight of fire + surgical are BIS on all 3 models.

[midnight totem]

Drip day should be tomorrow right?

[loud flower]

This is the helbore i use for my sniping build

[nimble canyon]

which helbore is best?

[misty delta]

infernus + surgical lets me one shot flamers on the green one 🤷

[loud flower]

Elite should be I am thinking of using flak instead of elite

[uncut pebble]

Infernus literally doesn't do anything but a tiny bit of fire. You're fudging a bp you could otherwise hit normally for a significant decrease in your potential ROF.

Anywho, helbore is also terrible because the bayonet can't keep up with chaff spawns, so you're forced to draw melee and deal with the awful swap speed.

[loud flower]

I use the MkV because it has the fastest charge rate

[misty delta]

how would one go about reaching this BP normally? I need to unbrick this build

[uncut pebble]

Long story short, if you're gonna use the helbore, you have to build for it.

[uncut pebble]

Experiment with maniac damage, rending strikes, superiority complex, and the weakspot damage talent.

[nimble canyon]

i still need to do bolt gun sometime

[misty delta]

bolt gun good

[uncut pebble]

Do not use specialist damage for your helbore. (or anything at all)

[misty delta]

I have all of those except rending. *sigh* I guess I’ll bite the bullet and take it. Feels weird taking something that synergizes with high RoF on a helbore of all things

They’re left with a smidge of hp left when I try it in the meat grinder so it defo works

[loud flower]

This is the build i use for my helbore set up. I can normaly noe shot ragers and two-three shot ogryns

And it has a good boss dps

[barren tiger]

I’m a voice of command fan now and I think being versatile (decent at everything, excelling in HVT killing) is my preferred playstyle. Dark tide has had great updates. Last I played was launch and…. Yeah 🤣

Also, veteran players are by far the most helpful out of all the channels and the most kind in game, oddly enough.

Parker’s are cool too. But the zealots and the ogryn players are somethin else 😂

[misty delta]

vets are nuts about minmaxing (kinda because we have to)

[barren tiger]

Yeah that is just the nature of the class

[misty delta]

I’ve had good experiences with Ogryns