veteran-class

[slow spade]

Both

[last pewter]

punching heretics will never not be funny

it may suck ass to actually do

but it's too goddamn funny

[wanton field]

First shovel I bought… I feel like this is shyte, lol.

[winter grove]

Yeah it is

[wanton field]

It just amused me.

[winter grove]

My condolences

[slow spade]

It is but that's why you can buy more 👍

[deft crystal]

I need a rashaad build

the one I hhave now only 3 shhots

the crushherrs

[winter grove]

Why can't we have a longlas

All those sniper builds would be insane

[serene bough]

what build do people use dclaw with

[winter grove]

Probably WS or FT

[deft crystal]

Probably plasma

[slow spade]

Helbore + Blessing 😎

[winter grove]

That's not a longlas

[deft crystal]

holy shhhh

rrecon made a comeback

[slow spade]

I did vraks mk 5 + dclaw 4 + Krak

[last pewter]

hahahahahaha

[slow spade]

It was pretty comfy

[last pewter]

fucking wanted to watch my video I recorded of playing with the Helbore

let it be known

even though I fucking love the Helbore

[deft crystal]

Recon iis vets best weapon fiinally

[last pewter]

1:40 seconds in, I say, and I quote

[slow spade]

Recon is up there with one of the strongest vet options now

[last pewter]

"I'm not sure if it's the skin or what but the sights on this gun fucking suck"

[winter grove]

Haha

No

[slow spade]

Ok maybe not that mk2

But recon is c:

[deft crystal]

The autogun aiint outdoingg it

[winter grove]

Yeah nah

VIAG5, Zarona and Plasma are still there

[slow spade]

Yeah that's what I'm comparing it too

[deft crystal]

ummmmm

[slow spade]

A proper recon is up there now

[tame lodge]

Mk4 base sights >>>>>>

[deft crystal]

wtf when diid the armourer start dropping perfs

[slow spade]

For some reason, people keep bringing recons without Headhunter though

Which is fucking wild post-Unlocked patch

[winter grove]

Psykers don't need HH I heard

They crit with talents so much

So gunkers pick dumdum and infernus

[deft crystal]

ffor recon right?

[winter grove]

Yeah

But that's not veteran

That's psykers

They crit a lot by themselves

[deft crystal]

dum dum is still bis

oh wait iim stupid

[serene bough]

F

dont want to run blasma

[radiant chasm]

did 1399 to a dreg gunner

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[deft crystal]

a suicidal regiiment would ggo hhard in whh40k

Krieg:

[shell mason]

Don't they brain wash there elite troops and drop them into the middle of fucking hordes of xenos?

[radiant chasm]

decision, i will do lethal bistol grenadier

first

before helbores

[winter grove]

Bomb the shit out of heretics

[deft crystal]

ok I think I optimized this well

yea i know shredder bbetter

bbut point tax

thiis one

But the bayonet is ify

still only 3

ask fatshark

Theres only one version of each weapon and the marks are how you swap the variant

[placid portal]

they renamed everything

With power of mods I make the Heavy Helbore more fun to use by making it an Obrez

[kindred vapor]

Is the stamina when ADS talent worth it?

[placid portal]

Worth it for slower firing guns

[tame lodge]

Deadshot is meme material

[placid portal]

Helbor likes it imo

[slow spade]

Deadshot + Recon mk6 + no stam curios 😎

I use it on bolters

[placid portal]

Vraks Headhunter might like it but not sure

autoguns is meme material with deadshot bc you will purge your Stamina reserve

[slow spade]

Get duck and cover and purposely keep a shooter alive

Problem solved

[placid portal]

Real

[atomic zephyr]

decided to give plasma gun another spin to help carry my friend through heresy
yep, still mind bendingly OP

[slow spade]

I would hope so at Heresy

[atomic zephyr]

yeah that too

lmao

[slow spade]

600 base damage gun 😩

[placid portal]

Nuke the poor dog and specials to mulch

[ancient dock]

Any suggest builds for recon lasrifle?

[junior grail]

Stack Infernus Burn damage, Crits and Rending

[deft crystal]

@ancient dock

[radiant chasm]

ignore infernus, just go dum dum deathspitter and grab reciprocity

what's bistol perks

for lethal proximity+puncture

[umbral scaffold]

Hello vet chat

🐿️

[deft crystal]

I still want my jopall vet

[kindred vapor]

What about on revolver

[tall torrent]

unarmored + maniac

[radiant chasm]

thanks

[radiant chasm]

the issue is that weakspot damage is just good with no downside, it is helpful tho if you are counting surgical stacks/show crit chance mod

cause you hit 100% crit chance 2-3 stacks quicker than normal, get that timing down and it can be really nice qol

[somber axle]

Grab a Recon Mk XII. Get Onslaught, Rending Strikes and Shock Trooper in the talent tree. Pick which ever ability, grenade and aura you prefer
Put +25% Carapace and +5% Crit Chance on the Recon. For blessings follow this list:
Dum Dum + Deathspitter with Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Headhunter without Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Infernus with Reciprocity if you like setting things on fire
Headhunter + Infernus if you don't like Reciprocity but you like setting things on fire
You can now kill everything including Crushers by melting through their faces

[junior grail]

🌰

[radiant chasm]

hmm what else can I grab to boost frag nades

[umbral scaffold]

The bolt pistol blessing

[radiant chasm]

i got elites, i got ogryns, i got the grenade tinkerer of course

yes

that is my build

sorry i shouldve specificed that first

[somber axle]

Keystones are not too impactful. Depending on the aura, grenade and ability chosen you might not be able to afford it. Running keystoneless with the Recon Mk XII is fine though. Focus Target and Weapon Specialist are the easiest to reach from Rending Strikes or Onslaught and personally I'd recommend Weapon Specialist because the extra melee attack speed and the extra ranged attack speed are fun imo

[radiant chasm]

i think i'm tkaing focus target +damage when tagged target dies

cause i don't think the other 2 would help at all

[somber axle]

But you can skip both and still have a really strong Recon build

[radiant chasm]

and i'm right next to it with rendign strikes and ogryn damage

[winter grove]

Clueless

[winter grove]

Ciag and Recon 6d love deadshot

[indigo edge]

Are these good chainsword stats? (Melk store)

[fading yarrow]

You want max Finesse and Penetration, Shredder too if you're planning to do a lot of single target

[kindred vapor]

Is marksmans focus strong with revolver?

[fading yarrow]

If you have good aim, sure

Otherwise you're just going to be doing a lot of standing still, which I personally don't like to do with the revolver

[rigid schooner]

Serviceable, but the ideal is 4 80%s and mobility at 60%

[tall torrent]

No weapon specialist instead

[junior grail]

Does quick weapon swap help with Helbores?

[radiant chasm]

not really tbh

[winter grove]

Whatchu guys think of this?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d33748e-92f9-43b2-9734-e5c271df6fb2/my-mouse-hates-me

[radiant chasm]

revolver likes breakpoints and gets all of them from focus target

i feel MF works best with guns with high finesse but also TTK focus instead of BP focus

[molten hound]

Do you get the max % modifier on a weapon when you fully empower it

[kindred vapor]

Which is weird right? Youd think the one labeled "marksman" would be better for marksman weapons

[winter grove]

MF also promotes game plan that leads you to your death

[kindred vapor]

Looks solid

[radiant chasm]

it's more like the cod adderal player marksman

and not sniper elite marksman

[kindred vapor]

I just pop heads in a row to get it with the revolver

I dont like sit in one spot

[radiant chasm]

you want a gun that fires fast enough you aren't hindered in the movement department cause you can pop a head whenever even if it's a poxer

does close quarter killzone buff grenade damage?

[kindred vapor]

no clue

[molten hound]

MF is good for infantry autos

you just level your crosshair vaguely around head height on the horde and instantly stack it

[ancient dock]

wtf is reciprocity

[radiant chasm]

yea basically, it's for the modern shooter super movement zoomer and people just get scared and think it's the stand still keystone

[radiant chasm]

crit chance on dodge

[molten hound]

its pretty hard to have 0 stacks of MF even if youre sperging all over the place

[radiant chasm]

it stacks and you can get multiple stacks from shooters/ranged enemies

no no you should be sperging with MF

the keystone literally encourages that you can move if you keep getting weakspot hits and kills

people just aren't confident and don't try to play like a call of duty crack addict

too high risk high reward for most players when focus target exists

[muted gorge]

which gun do you think fits a commisar type veteran better? boltgun, or revolver?

[deft crystal]

Boltgun

[muted gorge]

boltpistol*

[deft crystal]

Bolt pistol + chainsword is commisar

ea

or saber

I forgot we got sabber

[radiant chasm]

frag nade addict

lethal prox bistol in my hand

jumping right into auric damn

ntohing can go wrong

[deft crystal]

Oh sh...

[muted gorge]

what blessings do i want on boltpistol?

[radiant chasm]

lletha prox puncture for nade boosting or surgical DA or surgical puncture

since lethal proximity also boosts your nade radius by 25% whcih is huge

[somber axle]

The important part is that you need a good source of crit chance to pair with Shock Trooper. Deadshot, Reciprocity and Headhunter are all options but I wouldn't recommend Deadshot for the Recon Mk XII. If you dislike Reciprocity you'll need the Headhunter blessing on your Recon instead

[ancient dock]

yeah, tried out the dum dum + deathspitter and it just melts crushers LOL

only got the lvl 2 perks aswell, so itll get better

[somber axle]

Welcome to the Recon team

https://tenor.com/view/40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-12244864741850090018

[ancient dock]

I saw some vet wipe everything like the god damn terminator and I had to find out how

[lyric silo]

https://youtu.be/BlL99KD_4_Q?t=601

What does the Veteran say here? "A duggin, flank him?"

[junior grail]

Does this apply for ranged?

[fading yarrow]

Trying this out for the hell of it. How does it look?

[somber axle]

Yes it was fixed recently-ish. Dodging enemy shooters gives stacks

It's free crit chance as long as you play a very frontline aggressive style. If you tend to hang back behind the team it has less value. You have to put yourself into danger to get and keep stacks. But in Aurics you're always in danger anyway unless a Tauntgryn and/or Bubble Psyker are around

[potent lichen]

What are the best perks and blessings for the Heavy Sword? Mk9 if that matters.

[trim steppe]

deathblow and headtaker

[junior grail]

Sorry, I was having Slaaneshi thoughts reading those blessings together

[trim steppe]

You dont want none of that good sir

[junior grail]

Sounds like a strong talent, like it will be up 90% of the time.

Time to boot up the Creature Spawner in Psykhanium to test

[loud flower]

Fellow vets, what are you all running on chain axes?

[junior grail]

Thrust and Bleed, but I like to oneshot Crushers

[loud flower]

i will be pairing it with a bolter, so i am leaning on headtaker and slaugtherer, or something like that

Bloodletter also seems fun

[junior grail]

Which chaxe?

[loud flower]

XII, the one tha has a good zoning light attack

[junior grail]

Then yea you don't need Thrust, it's heavy is super strong as it is

[trim steppe]

I think thats a reliable combo

[frank basin]

i run slaughter and headtaker on chaxe

[north mason]

A bit late, but I'm pretty sure he's saying "they're dug in (behind cover), flank 'em!"

[radiant chasm]

actually pretty opposite, mk12 has easy set up for thrust with it being a straight down vertical

mk4 has to swing from lower right

also you can do an unrev'd mk12 heavy cause it half revs itself

but with bolter you want mk4

with ht slaught

Mk4 has cleaving heavies and PA that have much more stagger than mk12 lights to give you the space to let you use bolter (and reload it)

[wind ravine]

Is this penance bugged? I only play on malice or higher and almost never go down.

[radiant chasm]

have to be from the start cinematic/lobby

if you join midgame it won't count

but if you go down in those games

you lose your streak

[wind ravine]

Ive tested it twice now and thats not the case

I did one mission on malice start to finish. another on 4 and no change

[radiant chasm]

maybe your current record is 6?

[wind ravine]

I had not thought of that

I will do some more easy level 3s for a bit and see if it moves

[radiant chasm]

i pray you do not get random barrel'd or any other nonsense

[frail skiff]

Can I get some opinions on a build I made?

[radiant chasm]

"i'm dug in, flank them"

[frail skiff]

I made a Lucious MK IV build and I want to sanity check it with folks quick

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d338b84-e724-4043-8ecc-46911ae59488

[radiant chasm]

with all that curio ability regen i'd take double charges on stealth

also i wouldn't get grenade tinkerer with smokes

it's 15s base

which should be moer than enough for auric engagements

[frail skiff]

Yeah, but I figured having a longer smoke for the parts where you have to bunker down in a spot would help

[radiant chasm]

otherwise it looks fine

basically you shouldn't need to bunker down for 30 second anywhere, the director will just start punishing your team for being overly slow

[frail skiff]

I guess that's fair

[misty delta]

tempted to buy this 0% dmg shock maul just so I can torture myself

[radiant chasm]

use the 15s, or a 2nd nade if absolutely necessary

[radiant chasm]

the nerf bat

otherwise, MF is fine, i prefer focus target for the reliability and simplicity of it

[frail skiff]

What if I exchanged grenade tinkerer for demoteam since I will be taking care of everything bigger than trash

Eh, maybe not

I guess two charges of stealth would be better

[lyric silo]

Ty!

[frail skiff]

But Tac awareness kinda makes getting cloak back trivial

[lyric silo]

Ty!

[radiant chasm]

it's more so if you don't take double charges

i'd drop curio ability regen

cause you already have tactical awareness

you'd get more seconds cut off with your 12% from curios if it had a longer cd

[frail skiff]

Yeah

[radiant chasm]

grab 15% hp instead

[frail skiff]

Shaves off about 8 seconds

[radiant chasm]

cause that iwll give you a sniper and a poxburster BP

alsow ith stealtha nd smokes is gunner resist needed? but i'm getting tired and I'm not a true vet pro

someone else here could prob ehlp you more

[frail skiff]

Maybe exchange that gunner resist for a sniper resist

[radiant chasm]

yee

and i wouldn't triple gunner resits

at least

resistances have diminishing returns

so it's not 20% each

more like 20%, 16%, 12.8%

and that's not including your damage reduction in tree

[frail skiff]

Still saved my ass on my Brauto build when I had like 5 gunners in front of me

[radiant chasm]

yea so like, i think if you drop just one for a sniper

that could be overall more value

[frail skiff]

I'll give that a shot

But yeah, having overwatch with the ability reduction knocks the CD down to 52 seconds and having two charges means I can at least make a last ditch effort to save the team from a wipe if things go truly south with a backup charge

All the better if I snatch a concentration stim

[fading yarrow]

I switched out Demolition Stockpile for the right branch +5 Crit chance

The build works exactly as I hoped it would

Activate Exec Stance, full auto into a Monstrosity and it just falls over

[wind ravine]

Looks like that may have been it. It just ticked up to 7

[frank owl]

Hey what’s a good melee weapon for gunner Veteran? I’m running the Bolter and trying to find a nice melee to compliment it, I’m a massive fan of the dueling sword but trying to find other options besides it.
I’ve seen a lot of people running an axe, is there any reason to that or just preference?

[hollow ibex]

rashad combat axe is one of the strongest weapons in the game

[frank owl]

Really? What’s special about it?

[hollow ibex]

it's good at pretty much everything

only downside is that it's a bit slow on the attack

but it shreds anyway

[austere mica]

I would recommend something that leans twoards horde clear due to bolters limitations in that regard, like standard shovel, devils claw mk4, shock maul, or heavy sword

It also has the armor damage to make up for some of these weapons bad Cara adm’s

[sharp trail]

go my chainsword

[austere mica]

How did I forget that

[frank owl]

Gotcha I’ll see about the shovel as I haven’t experimented with it in some time

[tawdry jackal]

Having to go from 1-30, I was shocked by how effective regular shovel was

[sharp trail]

mkIII and mmkVII shovels are funny because you can do this

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-opps-oh-no-scull-head-gif-5631943

[tawdry jackal]

Like I prefer mk13 chain sword for my blending but the shovel did work

Heavy attacks to my understanding do the killing, light attacks stagger quickly

Just swing for heads right?

[frail skiff]

I like to think I look good for sniping

Now if only we had an actual Longlas

[deft crystal]

how muchh dmg u guys puttiing out per missiion

Im usually sitting at 400 - 500k

I cant seem to hhit 1 mil

[fading yarrow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d33a2c3-9560-4e81-84f0-c49d7a822a74/chaos-b-gone?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Docket for y'all's thoughts on this

[deft crystal]

Bolt pistol wiithh no focus target?

Drop rrendiing takke focus

[misty delta]

which helbore is the good one idk the new mk numbers

[dry cloak]

All three

[misty delta]

okay which one is the slowest firing one

[dry cloak]

Brown one

[deft crystal]

drop the crit chance and take eithher riighht or left node under focus targe

[fading yarrow]

? It's Boltgun, not Bistol

[misty delta]

ty

[frail skiff]

MK IV has the slowest charge

[deft crystal]

Ohh u right

[frail skiff]

MK IV also hits like a truck

The slow charge time is compensated with Weight of Fire

[deft crystal]

its good then

[keen wharf]

Ive yet to fully upgrade it so it kinda sucks but i dont find a use for this, like. its great at spreading bleed over a good distance but it just kind of sucks at doing anything other then 1 shotting elites and mutants.

[deft crystal]

oh wait

[dry cloak]

Manstopper

Try it with manstopper

[austere mica]

You want Manstopper

[keen wharf]

it has it, bottom blessing.

[sharp trail]

scattershot instead of flechette, go down for weapon specialist and take always prepared

[austere mica]

I read that as run and gun

Might be stupid

[frail skiff]

Are you using the cheesy weapon specialist method with it?

[dry cloak]

Then use this gun with weapon specialist to get guaranteed crits without scattershot

[keen wharf]

i pretty much go full left tree, little bit of middle to take care of Crushers.

[frail skiff]

The amount of cheese is legendary

[dry cloak]

Then go right tree to use shotguns efecrively on veteran

[frail skiff]

Chink in their armor is too situatioinal

[dry cloak]

If you want to use volley fire with shotgun use aprippina pump action

[frail skiff]

At that point you would be better off using a vig autogun

[austere mica]

Why the hell are you using shock trooper on a shotgun

[frail skiff]

wtf

How did I not notice that

[dry cloak]

Apripinna infantry autogun is better imo

[keen wharf]

i just noticed that, lol, i changed it just now since i was leveling up the las weapons.

[frail skiff]

But yeah, I would not run exe stance on a DBS

[dry cloak]

Also if you want to have stupid fun. Try volley fire with graia braced

[frail skiff]

Sorry, had a reply queued

[dry cloak]

I also wouldnt run dbs on exe stance

[keen wharf]

i mean yeah, i still love my Columnus Mk V.

[dry cloak]

VRAKS mk5

[dry cloak]

Try the other two marks they are also good

[frail skiff]

Volley fire?

[sharp trail]

would probably do one of these two for DB, idk lol

[austere mica]

Not as good as mk5

[frail skiff]

I just love using the Graia Brauto in general

[austere mica]

No full right tree?

Lame

[keen wharf]

i have, i enjoy both the Agripinaa and Mk VIII

[dry cloak]

Volley fire aka exe stance

[frail skiff]

I prefer using shout so I can be in the fray with it

[dry cloak]

Used a god tier mk5 and it was trash imo but you do you

[frail skiff]

It's stupid funny when you use it with weapon specialist. Just mag dump 10 stacks into everything in front of you

[keen wharf]

i feel dirty using the Mk V since it pretty much slaps if you're good at tapping heads

[dry cloak]

I have build on zealot that turns graia braced into a minigun. That being right keystone plus blie stim

[austere mica]

Are we talking about the same gun?

[dry cloak]

Then use agripina or the other one

[frail skiff]

Mind sharing? Been leveling Zealot lately

[dry cloak]

Yes. Recoil is fucked and you aim with air above front post

[austere mica]

The recoil is very controllable

[sharp trail]

one free point for whatever, i think i took either cqk/marksman but you can probably get away with smth like on your toes and whatnot

[deft crystal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d33a702-a38b-49a6-af8d-9440cde5601a/toughness-brrrt?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Alright

Someone min/max this

[austere mica]

I also disregard irons because of my mod powers

[deft crystal]

Idk hhow else to improve it

what weapons to change

[frail skiff]

Sniper scope lucuis assemble

[deft crystal]

my head hurts

[austere mica]

I hate scopes

[thorny gorge]

Ive goten to 200 hp and toughness

[dry cloak]

Basically its just converted knofe zelot build but use the gun perks on zealot with right keystone and youre golden

[austere mica]

I only have a scope on my double barrel and that’s because it doesn’t works and just looks funny

Oh and my agrivovler

[dry cloak]

I dont use mods

[austere mica]

I love putting the laspistol sight on literally every gun

[deft crystal]

one day Ill get +3 stam

[frail skiff]

I stuck the exterminatus scope on a MK IV Helbore and replaced the scope reticle with Crosshair Remap

It's funny when poeple watch me crossmap snipe 5 shotgunners in a row

[deft crystal]

whats the shortest mission?

[dry cloak]

Rolling steel

[frail skiff]

The new train mission

[austere mica]

Train

11 minutes hard max

[deft crystal]

besides train

bbecause of people

[dry cloak]

I do this with the helbore stock sightes

[tall torrent]

orthus offensive

6 mins or so

with bell skip

still pays regular damnation rewards unlike rolling steel

[dry cloak]

Enclavun baross or vigil station oblivium

[deft crystal]

that doesnt count towards auric surviivor tho

[terse gate]

what perks am I trying to use for db

[tall torrent]

If ur goal is to do auric storm survivor it’s just a matter of waiting for the easiest maelstrom’s to pop up

[deft crystal]

I could also grab a mod

thhat lets me select

even when its out of rotation

or is that cheatin

[tall torrent]

It’s allowed, u just won’t get any public people to join if the mission is out of rotation

[deft crystal]

The missions still scale down?

[tall torrent]

Wdym scale down

[deft crystal]

not surre if they do thhis

but enemy density scales off of player count

[tall torrent]

Not really in this game?

AFAIK last player standing has reduced intensity

That’s about it

[leaden skiff]

What's the dump stat on power swords these days? Mobility or Cleave Targets?

[tall torrent]

Cleave target

[deft crystal]

for me mobility

cause I slide max

Every dodge is a slide dodge and during that slide I just meelee

[tall torrent]

Cleave target does pretty much nothing between 60 and 80

[deft crystal]

Thhere is a minute difference thoughh

[tall torrent]

How many

[deft crystal]

havent tested

[tall torrent]

lol

[deft crystal]

more of a queestion

[tall torrent]

Going from 10.9 to 11.7 cleave makes basically no difference in this game

[deft crystal]

like thhere is a minute difference?

[tall torrent]

Basically none

[deft crystal]

shouldve added the question mark

[tall torrent]

You don’t hit extra cleave breakpoints with 80 cleave target

It’s pure dump

And power sword has innately bad dodge

[trim steppe]

It took me a LONG time to learn how to push bursters because i was learning with ps and i couldnt dodge far enough away to avoid exploding

[wet ether]

having 3 vets on the team

that never ends well

[junior grail]

Or super well

High skill vets are no joke

[grand perch]

CLOSE KILL BEAT THEM AND DO IT AGAIN NO DYING TILL I SAY SO IF YOU BREATHE YOU CAN KILL

repeat ad infinitum

[wet ether]

low skill vets is what i'm refering too

talking not even max level

[junior grail]

gg say goodbye to all the ammo and have fun picking everyone up downed by a single bruiser

[dry cloak]

VoC 🤮

[wet ether]

was voc nerfed recently?

[junior grail]

It's so commanding tho

[sharp trail]

no

[dry cloak]

It wasnt i just think its a noob skill.

[sharp trail]

gives free morale boosts

[junior grail]

Sounds like someone needs a morale boost~

[thorny gorge]

[leaden skiff]

LOL it's a skill in the tree my dude, undue judgments are a noob thing to do 😉

[dry cloak]

Thats your opinion. I respect it

[wet ether]

think you mean 2025

[thorny gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/2014-gif-22209405

I got baited

[sharp trail]

2015

[grand perch]

Whaddya mean we're closer to 2040 than 2005

[junior grail]

Guys, retro is like the NES right? PlayStation 2 wasn't too far away, right?

[final hamlet]

Yeah?

[frail skiff]

I remember my PS1 days

[grand perch]

I love old games. True retro games like halo 3

[wet ether]

bahhh twin blast needs a buff make the proc chance 50% than it might be viable

[fair river]

Gopnikron status

[wet ether]

would it be to much to ask for the devs to buff competitive urge

make it like 5% or hell 10%

[rigid schooner]

call it #stronger urge

[wet ether]

fuck when are the devs gonna buff the vets aura?

[tall torrent]

A lot of veteran talents still need work

[tall torrent]

Nah they’re fine

[rigid schooner]

300% supression resistance

[tall torrent]

Survivalist is still the strongest aura but it’s no longer necessary to include in every build, and the other 2 are not bad

[wet ether]

5% for both for fireteam and close & kill

those 2 need a buff sorry to say

[tall torrent]

Which is totally fine

5% damage actually changes breakpoints

And 5% move speed is much higher than u think

Compare this to other classes’ auras and they’re just standard

They’re fine where they are because they have some super strong pathing nodes

[wet ether]

Dude you are coping rn I hope you know that compared to survivalist those 2 are just plain dogshit

[grand perch]

Yes but when do we get the "artillery officer" tree

Stay at spawn and direct the Basilisk battery

[tall torrent]

There’re like 3 builds outside of veteran that need survivalist to function

And for veteran, there aren’t many weapons that need survivalist to perform

[rigid schooner]

"yes let me call in an artillery strike on the overloading fusion reactor"

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/клоун-gif-13031758617125701370

[tall torrent]

You’re completely ignorant lol

[broken spade]

i just don't want any auras to matter at all because optimizing auras is jank if you think about it

[grand perch]

Hadron disliked that

[broken spade]

if you think about it, optimally you should change your entire build to swap your aura if too many people are running the same aura

[tall torrent]

It’s in a fine spot rn
Pick survivalist and get the worst pathing nodes
Pick either of the other two and get much stronger pathing nodes

[broken spade]

but literally no one cares because they don't matter

i am fine with them not mattering

i just want them to all be dogshit small bonuses

[tall torrent]

You just have to be a special kind of ignorant to not see how strong move speed aura’s pathing nodes are

[strange crow]

But guys beacon of purity and loner are both cracked???

[blissful cliff]

What should i be using on the combat blade if i'm not running mercy killer?

[tall torrent]

Beacon of purity has horrible pathing, and loner is flat out terrible

Meanwhile benediction has the best pathing possible

[broken spade]

i think it was sarcasm

[strange crow]

Nah benediction is totally outclassed there’s never a reason to choose it

[tall torrent]

Comparing aura to aura is not a fair 1:1 comparison because half the time it comes down to pathing

[strange crow]

Zealot auras too stronk

[tall torrent]

I hope you’re being ironic

[broken spade]

anyways, i don't want a world where people start arguing in lobby about people running the same aura since they don't stack

[strange crow]

1000.00% serious

[broken spade]

let auras be shit

[tall torrent]

Ok but why

[tall torrent]

It already doesn’t matter outside of C-I-VI

[broken spade]

keep it that way

[tall torrent]

Exactly

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/yoskulls-fud-clown-gif-26802991

[tall torrent]

lol

The worst kind of ignorance

[broken spade]

Also true, plenty of people path through non-survivalist auras to save points.
I do it too

not every build actually needs the ammo regen

[strange crow]

Bc I can’t heal corrupt damage from pockswalkers otherwise or regenerate toughness when I’m the only one getting a skull

[tall torrent]

There aren’t many weapons on vet that need a lot of ammo in the first place and ammo is plenty outside of C-I-VI

Like, if u run an autogun but need survivalist to not run out, you’re shooting too much or suck at looting

It’s just that simple

[broken spade]

i actually see a lot of variety in vet auras now. usually when i get a bunch of vets in my team, i have a bunch of different auras

versus before where i would literally only see survivalist

[strange crow]

Wait ok real talk what’s C-I-VI?

[broken spade]

i assume that's the melee no ammo mael

[tall torrent]

Maelstrom modifier
Waves of specialists, scab faction only, mostly melee, no ammo spawn

[strange crow]

Ahh nice

[tall torrent]

It’s basically the only mode where survivalist is the go-to for vet regardless of gun chosen

[broken spade]

speaking of auras though, they should actually rework loner

dogshit aura and community hates it anyways

[umbral scaffold]

Hello, what is more important on knife? Mobility or First Target

[broken spade]

coherency regen shuts down when you're in melee and they fucking give the aura for it to the melee class

actual insanity

[tall torrent]

Don’t ever dump first target

[tall torrent]

The “shut down” is a myth

[broken spade]

i literally tested it

[umbral scaffold]

👀

[tall torrent]

It’s a buggy interaction with the death animation of the last slot-occupying enemy near you

It’s weird

[broken spade]

it pauses your coherency regen if a melee enemy targets you while close

it does not occur with ranged enemies even when they switch to melee

it also does not happen in while you're in stealth. It appears they have to target you

[broken spade]

@tall torrent still think it's a myth?

[tall torrent]

Yea, when he’s tracking you, he’s occupying a slot

It’s code jam

[broken spade]

also this conversation annoyed me so much. Dude tried so hard to come up with every excuse that loner regen shuts was helping him

when in reality he was regening with ewew

[tall torrent]

Loner is ass tho it needs help

It’s basically veteran’s catch a breath

But worse scaling

And takes an aura path

[broken spade]

it's weird that it doesn't pause regen when it's a ranged enemy though

like you can test it with a gunner and you'll still regen

even if they're also attempting to melee you

[vapid nacelle]

Zealot discussions in my Veteran chat? What the karkin' hell is this

[leaden skiff]

Infantry Lasgun get a buff? Dude just ran circles around the group's damage

[marsh galleon]

is there a hidden limit for duck & dive talent + stripped down blessing? i am asking because i started taking damage after some time while running around gunners.

[trim steppe]

I just rushed a flamer to chop his head off. As my weapon was mid swing the recon lasgun vet in the group shot the flamer in the tank and when my swing landed I got launched into space

[broken spade]

pain

[tall torrent]

Duck & dive has a 3s innate cooldown

[wide scaffold]

recon lasgun crit build on vet is still a thing of beauty. I was 15 secs into execution stance and i didn't even notice that i had 4-5 ragers backstabbing me while i was firing

[vapid nacelle]

Explosive flamers was not what I was expecting and while it makes sense, it's still certainly a change of all time

[marsh galleon]

doesn't it reset while you're under fire?

[tall torrent]

It can only proc once every 3s when under fire

If you’ve somehow used more than 50% of your stamina in that time avoiding gunfire, you can get shot even with stripped down active

[broken spade]

damn it's that long?

[marsh galleon]

i didn't, stripped down gives you %30 stamina, and duck and dive makes you invulnerable to gunfire. it's like a cycle. my stamina stays above %50.

[tall torrent]

Then you shouldn’t be getting damaged by ranged enemies

[marsh galleon]

Okay, I'll test it again.

[trim steppe]

I've definitely noticed some chip coming through the combo before

The occasional ranged shot will land

[tall torrent]

Could be meat grinder funny things

[trim steppe]

Naw in mission

[tall torrent]

Could be arcane fatshark code

[marsh galleon]

Maybe this.

[tall torrent]

Prob arcane fatshark code then

[grand perch]

Maybe they have 1 ratling hidden in a barrel somewhere taking pot shots

[trim steppe]

I noticed it especially when I was doing the penance for doding reaper fire. I had the combo on and while I was dodging reaper fire I was getting chipped down, eventually downed

[tall torrent]

You sure you had stripped down and duck & dive?

[trim steppe]

Yup

[tall torrent]

How did u even get downed

[trim steppe]

Just runnin back and forth on a catwalk with 3 reapers shooting at me, the chip eventually got me

[tall torrent]

Did u run out of stamina during that

[trim steppe]

Nope always well above 50%

[tall torrent]

Ok pretty weird, u could report it

[trim steppe]

Figured it was just funky code or server communication issues

[grand perch]

Honestly that would require a vid to see what exactly happened

[rigid schooner]

for the chainaxe, do i dump mobility or defenses?

[tall torrent]

Defences

[deft crystal]

Is it toxic if I leave whhen someone grabs a grim on auric damnation?

when im doingg auric survivor

[vapid nacelle]

I feel like there isn't a right or wrong answer to this question

Because it's just like.. if you don't feel like playing a game at 3/4 or less of your HP the whole time, there's nothing saying you aren't allowed to leave

Whether it's toxic or not doesn't really matter, it's if you're comfortable playing like that or not

Especially if you're not running HP like, I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to join with a toughness build with like 160 HP and not feeling up to playing the match with a single down = death at some point

[frank ledge]

I miss darcy

[earnest bone]

there's more useless stuff aside from that

[broken spade]

True
me looking at the new smite node in psyker's tree

[vapid nacelle]

Maybe could be argued toxic in the event modifier though, the whole point is to collect books lol

[frank ether]

grim games will often leave me at like 50 ish hp lol

[earnest bone]

There's literally 0 point in collecting books and rewards are so low, people aren't just motivated to do it, aside from those, who's still doing penances.
That's why they are in the event, i guess.

[vapid nacelle]

More books collected is extra resources from event reward track

Not everyone has everything in the game unlocked yet

I was gonna say contracts too but uh..

Not gonna lie, melk feels useless now lol

[thick wolf]

for the record, the books and especially grimoires do not function like the ones in VT2, yes?

[blissful cliff]

I don’t think i’ve ever genuinely paid attention to contracts. They sort of just get done

[vapid nacelle]

They don't

[broken spade]

i want books cause i want more ordo dockets

[vapid nacelle]

Grimoires in VT lock off portions of your health

Grimoirea here corrupt 40 HP and then additional corruption over time, per Grim

[thick wolf]

you haven't lived until you hit an assassination boss with the scripture

[blissful cliff]

Books are what? An extra 8-11k ordo dockets?

[broken spade]

that's like 20% more

huge

[blissful cliff]

Not really

[vapid nacelle]

Yeah without the event there's like no point to books lol

[blissful cliff]

You’re better off queuing into QP lol

[broken spade]

a whole mission is like 40k

i quickplay and hope that there's books

[tall torrent]

Scriptures are worth basically nothing

[vapid nacelle]

I quickplay and purge heretics

[thick wolf]

thank god I completed the event AND my scripture penances

[tall torrent]

Grims are worth some, around 4~5k extra per grim

[blissful cliff]

Eh

I don’t pay attention to ordo dockets

[thick wolf]

and I get to kill an assassination boss with it

[blissful cliff]

I blink and before i know it

I made 4mil

[broken spade]

yeah but what if that 4 mill was like, 4.4 mill instead?

if you had collected every book

[blissful cliff]

Collecting every book requires every teammate to be on the same page

[thick wolf]

meanwhile I groan at everytime some schmuck picks up a grim and my health goes from 100 to 0

[blissful cliff]

And to actively forgo medkits and ammo boxes

Which could sometimes cost you the game

[broken spade]

even better, makes the game harder

[blissful cliff]

Specially with randoms

[broken spade]

i love difficulty

[blissful cliff]

Right, but just cause YOU want to do it doesn’t mean others do lol

Besides if i want hard

I do auric maelstrom

Biggest payout their is

89k slaps

[thick wolf]

but, aurics don't increase rewards

unless auric maelstrom is the sole exception

[broken spade]

sometimes the auric maels have barely any conditions and don't increase the ordos much though

like i see 50k maels sometimes

[blissful cliff]

On the low end, but that’s still more on average than going for books without needing to forgo medkits and ammo boxes

[thick wolf]

I'd still rather look for books

[broken spade]

quickplay bonus with all books can get slightly higher than that

[thick wolf]

at least I have something to smack heretics with

[broken spade]

like very slightly more

[rigid schooner]

scriptures are worthwhile because most likely the team is going to have empty slots because the director never seems to spawn boxes when they're actually needed

[blissful cliff]

That’s case by case

[broken spade]

grimoires are pretty free if for some reason someone is running corruption heal

or if everyone's a martyrdom zealot

ogryns also don't really care about it cause of their health pool

[thick wolf]

PSA: the barrel on the double barrel visibly shakes everytime you fire it

this thing is one shot away from exploding in your hands

[blissful cliff]

Yea but i’m not going out of my way to look for it, i know there’s a mod but i just can’t be bothered. I got the event done without even trying in a day or two

It won’t be long before ordo dockets aren’t worth that much or worth stressing about

As we aren’t rolling a million weapons for a god roll anymore

Genuinely one mil ordo dockets is more than enough to complete a build

[rigid schooner]

it most likely would if you can flop it open with so little resistance
IRL double barrels have a decent bit of resistance to opening and closing, the newer, the more it has.
i'd say it's like... opening a firmly closed jar? though you have way more leverage, and it's not like one of those impossible to open ones

[broken spade]

watch them somehow ruin it by adding red weapons that cost like 10 mill

[rigid schooner]

idk what's a good comparison

[blissful cliff]

Please no

[thick wolf]

so far

its the only gun in the game I see that visibly shakes parts when you shoot it

[earnest bone]

Books and Grimoires in VT2 are used to improve the final box(es) quality roll. The higher the quality, the better are your chances to receive Red equipment.

[wet ether]

hey remind me what melee weapons are perfect for crowd control

[blissful cliff]

Rashad

[wet ether]

i know the p sword is one of them

[thick wolf]

shovel

starter shovel my beloved

[rigid schooner]

bolter

[dense burrow]

What is a dump stat on Plasma gun?

[rigid schooner]

charge rate i think?

[blissful cliff]

It doesn’t have a dump stat

[frank ether]

Lets be real like many things books were also an afterthought in darktide.

[earnest bone]

it feels like they are shoehorned just to remember the old days from Vermintide

[thick wolf]

I would've liked picking up grimoires more if they just don't royally fuck up my health

[blissful cliff]

You want something like 69% charge rate and 71% thermal resist (or flipped i can’t remember)

[rigid schooner]

i want to drop bits of string or leather scraps into the face of a grim. see how it likes dealing with that

oh, and sand too

[blissful cliff]

I run at least 200hp as vet

[earnest bone]

Running Curse Resistance was something much more common in VT2

but in DT it's even separated

from grimoire curse and normal curse

which makes it feel shitty to run

[thick wolf]

why did FS even do that

why make an entirely separate resistance to grimoires

[frank ether]

one of many reasons why this game is rather dead playerbase wise

because they fucked around and found out

[earnest bone]

probably will be too strong in their eyes

if Curse was unified resistance (grim + mobs/etc)

[thick wolf]

are we to believe the VT2 and DT dev teams are like entirely different set of people

[blissful cliff]

Only time i consider taking corruption resistance is in pox gas maelstroms

Cause those suck

[thick wolf]

hence the wack decisions

[frank ether]

maybe different leadership at most

maybe not even that

[earnest bone]

It was before the crafting update, but now it got a pretty huge boost

god knows for how long

[frank ether]

It will melt away unless they have some sort of momentum

radio silence doesn't help

[thick wolf]

which considering FS competing to be the slowest dev studio in existence

[frank ether]

they're not good at building hype

look at helldivers and how they hype the shit out of every little thing they add

I mean at some point darktide was at that stage too

you had a shitton of leaks

remember all the rumors for weapon customization

its funny helldivers is going through that same hype rn

except that game might actually do it

[thick wolf]

too bad

it's PSN region locked

fuck you Sony

[rigid schooner]

that's a steam and sony issue

[thick wolf]

its a Sony issue first and foremost

[earnest bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682297707213226056/1236888001930330123/2_5314501294080151416.mp4?ex=67074f37&is=6705fdb7&hm=18a7dbd197c438e1e75293eb43ab13dce3004d154336019f43c415cd133f5a47&

[frank ether]

I never made a PSN account

sony committed to kill their own games

[rigid schooner]

i legitimately think sony is trying to sandbag the game, and signal boosts pointless controversy on it because they made them look bad

[earnest bone]

It's funny that modders

[thick wolf]

they've westernized so much their brains are fried from all the californian businessmen surrounding them

[earnest bone]

erase PSN requirement from Sony games on Steam

my friend got GoW Ragnarok and already removed PSN from his steam copy

and playing just fine

viva modders

[frank ether]

thats good

[wet ether]

so correct me if i'm wrong but power swords are supposed to kill everything in 1 shot up till a bulwark correct?

[frank ether]

personally I just put on the pirate hat for a lot of these games with predatory subscriptions or super invasive anti-cheat/DRM for literal singleplayer games

[thick wolf]

I can't even get HD2

nor Ghost of Tsushima because of said region block

the one post-PS3 game I'm actually interested

[earnest bone]

you can buy steam key from third party

[thick wolf]

no Sony

I don't want to pay for ubisoft open world game with robot dinosaurs but not made by Ubisoft

[wet ether]

is this correct or incorrect?

[thick wolf]

nor an overhyped overrated over-the-shoulder third person cinematic zombie game's horrible sequel

let me pay for legally distinct starship troopers or samurai game you cowards

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/joel-tlou-the-last-of-us-oh-no-golf-gif-27185068

[abstract gorge]

Which recon lasgun mark are we liking this patch? Used one for the first time and it's pretty fun

[earnest bone]

XII / XIV

[thick wolf]

I never get why TLOU blew up the way it did

to the point it effectively destroyed Sony's creative output

[broken spade]

I thought HD2 reverted that requirement

[thick wolf]

still can't buy the game

[abstract gorge]

Yeah XII seemed decent, I'll give XIV a go ❤️

[earnest bone]

2nd game changed its direction towards Drakmann erotic fantasies and completely shifted characters personalities + if you play from beginning to the end it's also stupid in a lot of it's story moments.
It's like from AA+ TV show turned into B+ garbage with low budget.
But the visuals in TLOU2 are great, kudos to designers/animators.

[abstract gorge]

Infernus looks good

[thick wolf]

like hell, I understood Call of Duty 4 blowing up, I understood Borderlands 1 blowing up, but not TLOU

[wet ether]

....ok thanks for the non-fucking existent help useless lot

[thick wolf]

also never used a power sword

but I think it should usually OHK trash mobs

[earnest bone]

Infernus is better on XII, XIV is more about RAW damage with Deathspitter + Dumdum or Headhunter + Dumdum

[abstract gorge]

Noted, thank you 🙂

[thick wolf]

that and whenever I use the power sword, most of the time my teammates already did the work for me

[deft crystal]

whhat perks on a recon?

Crit chance

and whhatt else

[frank ledge]

Ok, but have you hear of helbore stab build?

[thick wolf]

dunno, probably flak or maniac

flak if you want every scab dead or maniac if you want ragers dead

anyway is the lawbringer shotgun still considered bad?

or is it finally a decent pick

[earnest bone]

Flak/Maniac if you dont use Infernus

[pseudo fiber]

I was ill it's fully loaded sorry

[sharp trail]

the outrage was for the PSN requirements, which afaik was put on ice. the game still got purchase restricted across most of the world though lol

[dense burrow]

what is your favorite melee for Veteran?

[untold mulch]

Csword becasue vroom vroom keeps brain happy

[thick wolf]

starter shovel

[untold mulch]

folded shovel is my go to for no ammo modifier

bonk instakill a crusher

[thick wolf]

kinda wish there's a decent non-paid cosmetic for it

because the rest of the non-paid shovel cosmetics turns it into a sapper shovel visually

[sharp trail]

generally chaxe for its sound design as well as the satisfaction of lodging a chain-bladed axe into somethings head

[pseudo fiber]

The steel legion one look so good though

[balmy flume]

Power Sword. But note I am biased from the tabletop 40k experience, where it is certainly king there.

[pseudo fiber]

Probably chainsword always have a nice mix of dodge distance, movement speed and damage

But I also love the standard issue shovel (now mk1 shovel) that thing is so great

[thorny gorge]

Infernus feels more fun but i do better with the ds-dumdum combo on recon

[pseudo fiber]

Are you failing more with infernus?

[thorny gorge]

No

Just feels less efficient

But it also feels more engaging

I think its too do with seeing shit catch on fire

[pseudo fiber]

Then use what's more fun

Who cares

[lucid radish]

Weapon specialist Double barrel shotgun is something else

[thorny gorge]

I am a numbers guy

Me like number go up

[pseudo fiber]

I'm also a numbers guy.
But in the end all that matters is succeeding and having fun while doing so.

[thorny gorge]

Oh im still having fun with both

Just kinda thinking aloud

I have noticed both setups play a bit different

[fickle narwhal]

Guys what gun do you think is the best for this build

[dire olive]

Damn EVERY weapon specialist node?

[frail skiff]

Going on Safari in the underhive

[pseudo fiber]

That's so good haha

[frail skiff]

It's a damn shame that I'm the only one that can see what the gun looks like

[stoic thorn]

I just started playing darktide

I've been playing veteran

I've been using the helbore lasgun and Catachan sword

Do yall have any advice for veteran?

[frail skiff]

Rashan Combat Axe

[pseudo fiber]

What do you need advice for?

[iron silo]

speaking as someone who can't aim for shit, this penance is hard 😦

[pseudo fiber]

Then melee them

[frail skiff]

Step 1: Get Camouflage
Step 2: Get a Agri Brauto gun
Step 3: Find a chokepoint
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!

[iron silo]

[pseudo fiber]

Again it just says kills not ranged kills. You can just get 10 stacks then stand still

And melee enemies

[frail skiff]

Yeah, but unloading a Brauto gun into a horde is more satisfying

[real flicker]

Is the stub revolver underrated? I never see it mentioned

[pseudo fiber]

No

[earnest bone]

You can use Recon lasgun XII

Just target the heads +- when firing at horde and it will be instant 10 stacks

or can play turtle gameplay

but graia braced or agri braced is the easiest

[frail skiff]

Or be a chad and use the MK IV Helbore like I am

[balmy flume]

Frag nades are one of the best Close Quarters option. No, really.
Otherwise, Power Sword, Combat Axes, Devils Claw…most of the Vet armoury for close quarters are good in their own way. Find what suits your playstyle the best.

(Powersword is actually a bit more complex than is meme’d, due to needing activation)

If possible, try to take the survivalist node on the tree (unless you are running specific builds). Everyone will thank you for passively generating ammo.

Also take the Grenade regenerating node if possible, it can save your backside.

Otherwise…shoot well, block well, and most importantly of all, STAY. IN. COHESION.

[frail skiff]

Don't use smoke grenades unless you know what you're doing

[balmy flume]

Nice PFP by the way, no school like old school lol.
KANE LIVES IN DEATH.

[frail skiff]

Gotta keep converting everyone into cyborgs

[stoic thorn]

There's a skill tree?

[frail skiff]

Yes

Go to Talents in the menu

[real flicker]

Anyone got a talent tree and loadout for stealth vet plz?

[frail skiff]

Depends

Do you want sneaky sniper or sneaky recon las?

[real flicker]

I was going to do sneaky sniper i think with revolver but can also use the recon las

i have both

[frail skiff]

Ah, well

My Sneaky Sniper is a Helbore

[balmy flume]

@stoic thorn expanding on the Coehsion point.
Above Heresy level, being solo is a death sentence. Being paired up is 2 groups of 2 is…doable…if there are no bots.

But once you reach Damnation or Auric levels, please, for the love of all that is holy and uncorrupted by Nurgle, stay in a group of 4

[frail skiff]

You can somewhat get away with it for short periods of time with Infiltrate low profile, but once low profile is about to expire high tail it back to the group

You can also use infiltrate to fix the dril- I mean, do the minigames

with no interuptions

[bronze badger]

i remember hearing a vet use voice of command and his line was something like "cadia stands! cadia lives!". which personality would that be? professional?

[pseudo fiber]

Cutthroat

I don't think that's a voice of command line though

[balmy flume]

Cadia lines are tied to Cadia background, and not necessarily just ability activation.

[grand perch]

did someone say cutthroat voicelines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLfRA_v_Fs4

[thorny gorge]

Cutthroat best vet

[stoic thorn]

The lasguns speak to me for now

Plasma and bolter

They sound like fun

[pseudo fiber]

They're very fun

[fickle narwhal]

Are those 2 reload skills compatible each other? Can be stacked?

[tawdry jackal]

Yes

It also stacks with the left path keystone, marksman’s focus

If you routinely shoot nerds in the head, total reduction in reload speed can be 75-80% depending on talents chosen

In practice, 60% from those two talents is more practical

[tiny summit]

I forget that MF has reload speed

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah 10 stacks=10% bonus to reload speed

[fickle narwhal]

Nice thanks for the help, definetly it helps with the bolter

[tawdry jackal]

And there’s a talent node that has 5%

[tawdry jackal]

My suggestion is to become accustomed to the tactical reload (recarga tactica)

There aren’t always elites and specials to kill. Usually are in practice but sometimes you’re going to empty your weapon on a boss

Try to remember to leave one round in the magazine. If not, oh well you’ll still be ok

[fickle narwhal]

[tawdry jackal]

When I build my veteran, I actually don’t use it cause it takes two talent points that can go elsewhere. Only on a executioner stance build do I take it

[fickle narwhal]

I’m gonna try with only tactical reload at the moment since i think that maybe 3 nades would be great with the 1 nade each 60 seconds

A little bit weird but maybe works time to try it

[tawdry jackal]

I got you bro

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ecd06-9d4b-4686-8224-cd6f1be58c2a/boltgunner-2

Try this for general ranged work

[lavish solar]

Kinda need some tips on how to modify this. Was a build I made initially for meming (yay slug headshot go bam) but now after a few games it actually seems reasonably fun and I kinda want to make it work at higher levels

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3431e1-4f68-4432-af41-080d2f586e1c/slug-shotgun?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tawdry jackal]

Need opinions on this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ef18f-a2e4-4ca4-accf-c413c68009c5/bolt-pistol-cs-vet

Also considering grabbing the shovel for crowd control instead

Just cause it swings for heads naturally

[lavish solar]

I think that looks really solid, also incidentally pretty much what I have

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah someone else showed me a similar build to run for dedicated melee but I don’t have it as a reference rn. Going off memory

It loses on keystone subtalents but gains in just variety of damage boosts

Shoot a dude with a bolt pistol real quick, carve them with melee

[lavish solar]

With shovels I can see boss damage suffering a bit but hey you have krak

[tawdry jackal]

Might need to change my melee weapon for this one but mk 13 sword is good general purpose

In fact it usually blends pretty hilariously

Could get used to power sword I guess

[lavish solar]

True, I tend to take it whenever I’m out of ideas, usually works well

[tawdry jackal]

Just hate getting boxed in and being interrupted

Need that mk3 swing to go for the fences powered up

[lavish solar]

True

Oh actually

Having puncture on the bolt pistol can do quite a lot I’ve found

If you find you don’t really use it much for staggering hordes in your face maybe swapping lethal proximity for puncture would serve you better

[slow spade]

Lethal prox has that safety factor

As an unarmed bolt won't stagger trappers and stuff

Which can be dangerous when in hordes :c

[thick wolf]

I think my grenadier's boltpistol has bleed blessing and lethal prox

inflict period joke for every boltpistol hit

[slow spade]

I go Surgical + Lethal but I use frags for the meme

Mini-ogryn bombs are fun c:

[thick wolf]

I also paired my boltpistol with the longshot talent

to mainly compensate

[slow spade]

Eh they nerfed it too much to be useful imo

13m for +0.8% damage lmao

30m for full buff

[thick wolf]

still probably would hurt that one trapper more

also somehow

I'm more accurate with the boltpistol than with the helbore

[shut orbit]

What does the Plasma gun have going for it over the boltgun?

Boltgun seems to perform way better and is more ammo efficient for slightly less damage per shot

[slow spade]

I mean bolt pistol does have near pinpoint accuracy at hip

[thick wolf]

I've been adsing it a lot

and I've landed more shots with it than with the helbore when aiming

[slow spade]

Honestly with the latest buffs and changes, I'm inclined to agree

And I've been using plasma since patch 13

[thick wolf]

the stupid buggy sway is still there, albeit less bad unless it's like high ping

[slow spade]

Oh then sounds like you found a weapon that clicks with you

[lavish solar]

true

[slow spade]

I've been using bolter over plasma recently

[lavish solar]

But run n gun and puncture together is just soooooo fun

[slow spade]

Still optimizing but results are satisfying

[lavish solar]

Any blessing recommendations?

[tame lodge]

Infinite cleave (100 cleave instead of 3)

[lavish solar]

Still not sure if shattering impact is good or not

[slow spade]

Pinning fire + surgical for ne

[shut orbit]

I'm brand new lol, Plasma sounds so good but on Heresy at least it feels like the Boltgun can kill most things in the same amount of shots, doesn't need to worry about heat and has way more ammo + hipfire panic

[slow spade]

Its less mag dumping potential but gets 1-taps reliably

Due to Deadshot + Surgical (0,2s)

[thick wolf]

its a bummer since I want to use the helbore

[lavish solar]

Also makes damn sure whatever you point the muzzle at is dead

Even if it’s behind a hoard

[thick wolf]

but I don't know if the helbore just has shit ADS or I'm too accustomed with the infantry las' reflex sight

[lavish solar]

Which can be really helpful

[thick wolf]

I just aim worse with the helbore for some reason

[lavish solar]

*I mean the plasma

[lavish solar]

Using a dovetail optics mount as your iron sights can do that

[lavish solar]

Ahhh yes deadshot

That one can do wonders on the bolter

[slow spade]

It used to have 2 sec draw time but now its 1.6s and there's a talent to draw 25% faster

Plasma takes roughly 0.8s to pull and fire

So they're now more comparable than they used to be and the plasma's higher base damage and bolter's crit + burst potential are more a factor

[slow spade]

Indeed, 30% base crit when aiming with stam and +10% crit every 0.2s when adsing

The time it takes to fire a plasma would give bolter +30% crit 😎

[lavish solar]

Any thoughts on puncture? I believe that one paired with shattering impact or something like pinning fire can absolutely delete bosses

Also carries the bolter across a few breakpoints if you don’t crit (I think, probably am wrong)

[slow spade]

Puncture seems like bait on anything not a boss

But on bosses it does good chip damage

[slow spade]

Yeah no crit = no 1-tap

You could do some jank shit like get Agile Engagement Bolter

[lavish solar]

I would love to see someone actually do that

[slow spade]

That would likely allow 1-taps without crit if built for it

[thick wolf]

if the helbore had at least a visible front sight or I dunno

[slow spade]

Once Power Sword gets fixed and I don't have to spend 5 points buffing rashad up to power sword level...

[thick wolf]

the infantry lasgun's reflex sight, maybe I would've aimed better

[lavish solar]

I also tend to go with focus target as my keystone which also helps with onetapping stuff

[thick wolf]

hell, the vraks headhunter autogun has a fucking pencil for a front sight and yet I can aim that bitch no problem

[slow spade]

Just remove the bad sights

[lavish solar]

Sometimes it depends on the number of stacks so not exactly reliable but still pretty good imo

[slow spade]

That simple

[slow spade]

Same

[lavish solar]

Not in the base game sadly

[slow spade]

With upgrades, that's a minimum of +16% damage

With the damage upgrade, 10.5%

Still good

[lavish solar]

I have learnt (painfully and slowly) to use the helbore‘s sights

[thick wolf]

yeah I'm not running weapon customization just to give it desirable sights

[lavish solar]

But still would rather have better ones

[thick wolf]

a mod that would potentially make my game crash from out of memory error

[lavish solar]

Even having mk3’s sights on mk1 would be an improvement

[slow spade]

Funny, that's literally the only reason why I mod

[lavish solar]

God mk1’s irons are so bad

I use that mod so that weapons actually hang off of characters when not in use

[tame lodge]

Just use the mk4

[slow spade]

I've never had a crash from weapon customization unless I don't update for like 6 months (aka yesterday after 30 error log messages)

[lavish solar]

Pretty cool feature

[slow spade]

(Fixed now)

[slow spade]

Yeah it helps identify who uses what

Except for staff psykers

[lavish solar]

I was mainly going for the cool factor but yeah that helps too

Actually I think just overlaying a marker over the irons when ads-ing would also help

[tawny badger]

not the helbore pistol 😭

[lavish solar]

Not sure if that’s doable without mods now, we had some more customizability for reticles earlier this year maybe that has an option to do it?

[tawny badger]

lmao
the speak of reticles reminded me of when my dad used to put a piece of tape over the screen so he technically always had an aiming reticle

[lavish solar]

Oldschool lol

[thick wolf]

tis funny how Fatshark hasn't implemented that yet

then again, not every co-op shooter can be Left 4 Dead

where it does exactly that

[slow spade]

I've been going "middle of screen = aim here"

Recently games have been stupid shit like lowering the aim reticle

So not as effective as it should be 😞

[slow spade]

Indeed, you'd think they do that considering how much cosmetics they like to sell

[lavish solar]

True

[slow spade]

To be fair, it removes the bad iron sights 😎

[lavish solar]

Honestly the helbore is in a bit of a weird place rn

[winter grove]

Heresy is heresy

I bet knife is good for horde clear too there

[slow spade]

Indeed, no one can tell their names + the new blessings didn't really change much

[lavish solar]

I feel like the draw animation alone just kinda keeps it away from higher intensity stuff

Let alone the iron sights and other shenanigans

[winter grove]

I should try laspistol for shit

[lavish solar]

And then if you take es to instant draw you find that it doesn’t really change the breakpoints so the ability essentially loses like half its benefits

[winter grove]

Either on vet or gunker

[lavish solar]

Fun weapon, I like those on vet quite a bit

Can’t talk about psykers tho I rarely do gunpsyker

[slow spade]

Gunpsyker laspistol is surprisingly durable due to a special attack they get

The laspistol push is now a forcepush making it very hard to get pinned

But durable =\= high dps

So you win some and lose some :p

Also rip fingers

[meager topaz]

whats the dump stat for the plasma gun?

[winter grove]

Charge rate

[meager topaz]

ty

[lavish solar]

didn’t someone mention that the heat resistance breakpoint was 69%?

[winter grove]

Just get more to be sure