veteran-class

[frail skiff]

No diea

*idea

[blissful cliff]

There you go, probs some sub optimal picks but oh well

I haven't had any issues with the build except maybe boss dmg

In which case, take kraks instead

[frail skiff]

Which ranged are you using with that?

[blissful cliff]

revolver

[deft crystal]

Some meta head wiill come through probbably

and liike tear it apart

[blissful cliff]

Sometimes i'm feeling spicy and i'll use the bistol instead

[vestal canyon]

Is there a main thing they struggle with? I see tac axes slaughter hordes and combat axes murder crushers but whats a weakness they have? Dont have they have really bad cleave?

[blissful cliff]

No, cause Brutal momentum exist

If it weren't for that blessing

[obsidian plover]

He already got all the meta nodes

[blissful cliff]

Those weapons would not be as good as they are

[shut talon]

is inspiring barrage not good on vets

[obsidian plover]

Vet tree is tight af

[idle pecan]

is it better to only have 1 copy of each weapon type and use duplicates to power up other weapons?

[blissful cliff]

i'm using the mod to make it smaller

[frail skiff]

Remind me what it does again

[blissful cliff]

To save having to send 4 screenshots lol

[shut talon]

recover %toughness per % of mag dumped in a barrage

[blissful cliff]

Do you mean for sacrifices?

[frail skiff]

Like replenished?

Or does it increase your max?

[idle pecan]

yeah

[blissful cliff]

If so, i recommend you only sacrifice green weapons that are the same type as the one you're sacrificing it too (i.e only sacrifice combat axes too combat axes, knives to knives, etc.)

Anything above green tier it's better to just discard it for the resources

[idle pecan]

i have like 25 diff devils claw swords

[vestal canyon]

I like to have a few of the same weapon each for different builds. You could just edit them to fit the build you want but I do it for convenience sake

Anymore than like 3 is probably too many lol

[blissful cliff]

Yea i need to roll for another knife that doesn't need serrated to work lol

[vestal canyon]

Sacrificing weapons to the same type gives the XP a 5 times multiplier if youre gonna that

[frail skiff]

Personally I use Deathspitter with Fire Frenzy to keep the damage up

WIsh Brauto had dumbdumb

[deft crystal]

Me when I actually have to play the game for a build

[vestal canyon]

I thought that too but its supposed to be more of a support supression weapon than a damage dealer

[frail skiff]

I mow stuff just fine with the Graia + Onslaught. I consider the fact that it supresses gunners a bonus

[shut talon]

just tested, it recovers toughness yea

[frail skiff]

Honestly, you don't need it if you bring shout

[blissful cliff]

I still need to make a build to optomize the vraks iAG

WITHOUT taking vet shout lol

[shut talon]

good point

[verbal burrow]

😭

[restive rock]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA i still think this is really funny

[frail skiff]

The best part is that non Cadia vets will taunt Cadia vets when they lament about Cadia

[vestal canyon]

I didnt get super into Warhammer until I played Darktide. When I saw Cadia on the character creation menu I thought it was just like people living on an asteroid field

[frail skiff]

Nooo

It got bent over by chaos

But the planet broke before the guard did

It was the biggest middle finger to chaos with it being the closest thing to the eye of terror

[silent cloud]

When i saw character creation menu and those things like choosing your mother planet or career,I thought Darktide has at least a single player campaign or something

After then realized just some dialogue differences.

[verbal burrow]

Let them fucking try it, I ain't picking them up if they do

[restive rock]

“Cadia fell, but we still live! YOU HEAR THAT?! CADIA LIVES!!!”

One of my favourite lines

[real flicker]

is this ok? or should i look for a min maxxed one?

[vestal canyon]

Dump stats in the grand scheme of things really do not matter at all. But if you really wanted to min max probably damage or collateral

If youre trying to hit a breakpoint do mobility if you just want a general use good pistol do damage

[real flicker]

damage as the dump?

[silent cloud]

Still 6% improvement space for collateral

[frail skiff]

They need to redo the weapon spec tree, cause everything else other than Always Prepared is crap

[deft crystal]

focus target

[frail skiff]

What about it?

[split grove]

hows this for vraks autogun

and dagger melee

🤔

[frail skiff]

Vraks IAG?

[split grove]

yes

veteran tree is so hellish cos i want everything

does vraks iag want the rending or the monstro ogryn dmg

Rahhh

[frail skiff]

This is what I did using a chain sword

I find Onslaught to be sufficent enough

Weapon spec to tear through hordes with chainsword and ranged spec when you need to mow down something specific close by or chain a kill back into melee spec

[split grove]

i wanna specifically use my good ol dagger + vraks

[frail skiff]

What's the upper tree?

[split grove]

bare minimum

[lavish solar]

I do believe that out of the 2 ogryn&boss damage is more useful

But that’s just me

[split grove]

its fine i dumped desperado

ogryn boss dmg just affects dagger too anyway so

might as well pick it up

instead of des

i'll get my crit from reciprocity

[lavish solar]

Desperado is the one with melee finesse damage and crit chance no?

[split grove]

yes

[lavish solar]

I think probably take that over rending strikes?

[split grove]

but i really want the ogryn monstro dmg node

[frail skiff]

What's on your knife?

[split grove]

knife is uncanny + ripo iirc

[lavish solar]

Like 10% rending really doesn’t give you that much

[frail skiff]

Yeah

[split grove]

the rending on the iag is pretty good no?

or brittleness is all i need

[lavish solar]

So I think probably do ogryn and boss damage node as well as desperado, and drop rending strikes

[lavish solar]

I mean you have onslaught so that’s going to give you a lot of dps against carapace regardless of whether you take +10% rending or not

[split grove]

hm ok i think that's the play

[lavish solar]

I think taking rending strikes is only really helpful if it gets you over a breakpoint so probably best to test things out in the psykanium

Maybe it works with your build

[meager topaz]

What are good blessings for the double barrelled shotgun?

and perks

[bronze badger]

just crafted this. i was using the pinned pdf doc as a guide. anyone want to share their favorite talent tree for this gun? im assuming it will use the reload speed nodes. im using it with executioners stance, and that leads me to marksman's focus. not sure i thats the best way though, with this gun i find myself hipfiring and annihilating groups of enemies intead of precise headshots etc.

[viral swallow]

boltgun is nice because it can do both

ADS for picking out gunners, snipers, shotgunners

hipfire for mauler squads and crushers

[viral swallow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d321e8b-1c9f-4afd-8637-adb3e7e482bd/bolterboi-2

probably something like this, if you want executioner stance

[bronze badger]

cheers

[viral swallow]

no idea what the boltgun breakpoints are but this hits most of the important nodes

[shut orbit]

Just started playing the other day, loving the Plasma gun so far. Which of the bottom purple main nodes would be best for it? I'm using Executioners Stance with counter-fire which works pretty well, but the leftmost purple trait tree seems headshot-reliant which is a little tricky with the plasma rifle not having a zoom

Focus target seems like it might be better instead?

[trim steppe]

Focus Target is a good choice for plasma

[shut orbit]

Also when should you be using the charged shots? Normal shots one-shot most enemies and the charged shots seem to take too long to charge to be higher DPS as far as I can tell

Is it mostly from their traits that buff it?

[trim steppe]

Never, basically

[viral swallow]

charging isn't worth

[shut orbit]

lmao

[viral swallow]

just hipfire at head height

[shut orbit]

Is there any specific melee that works well with it/is just good in general? I've just been using the power sword because it's funny, i've seen a lot of people with the combat blade though

[viral swallow]

use whatever you like, I like axe

[bronze badger]

Charging is never worth? Wow. I remember when the vermintide style talent trees were present, the build was to charge and one shot maulers. Do you not charge vs them either?

Crushers* the ogryns

[viral swallow]

nope, you can 2 tap them with uncharged headshots

more ammo efficient and doesn't leave you as vulnerable

[bronze badger]

Sheesh I will have to try it

[broken gazelle]

Glad I finally got power sword mastered so I can never use it again

[lavish solar]

actually

What do we think about the new blessings for helbore?

Haven’t played with the new blessings a bunch so not sure if they’re any good

[viral swallow]

man, I really want to figure out a way to free up one extra point for 'bring it down' in this build but I just can't swing it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d321e8b-1c9f-4afd-8637-adb3e7e482bd/headclicker

[broken gazelle]

Not looking forward to mastering Helbore hate that weapon.

[lavish solar]

I quite like it but it can be a pain in the ass to pull out

[lavish solar]

If you want it badly enough you can probably move the stamina regen delay point on the left side to bring it down

Buuuuut that can be problematic depending on how much you rely on stamina I guess

[viral swallow]

considering the whole build is built around dodgespamming with precog and riposte, stamina matters a lot

[lavish solar]

Fair enough

[trim steppe]

Charged shots use 3x ammo but don't do 3x damage, there's really no point

[frail skiff]

Kinda still good to charge it if you have shock trooper along with the blessing that maxes crit out the longer you sight in

[grand perch]

Shock trooper does not apply to plasma

[tame lodge]

Armourbane is meh
Hotshot is meme material

[frail skiff]

I was talking about helbore

[grand perch]

Oh sorry

[frail skiff]

Pair it with the Improved crit weak spot dmg and crit rate scale with sighting in

[lavish solar]

Yeah also charged shot can reach some pretty nasty breakpoints

[lavish solar]

Good so I can stick with weight of fire and surgical

[frail skiff]

I remember managing to tweak it before a patch nerfed something that I could one shot headshot crushers in exe stance

[lavish solar]

I think that’s mk3 exclusive but yeah doable

[frail skiff]

I exclusively use the MK3

[lavish solar]

With mk1 you do have the potential to oneshot everything short of a mauler tho which is pretty nice

[lavish solar]

Chad

Any tips oh now to play it?

[placid portal]

But the spam Helbore not bad with armorbane no?

[frail skiff]

Well um... if you have a certain mod... you can make aiming easier

[lavish solar]

Haven’t tested it but if armorbane stacks with each shot the I guess it can be nice

[lavish solar]

Ahh I see

What about the shit bayonet tho

[placid portal]

Cant fix that 😭😭

[lavish solar]

Noooooooo

[frail skiff]

Well the thing about that is that with that certain mod... you can replace that with a flashlight

[placid portal]

I am still advocating The mk3 helbor to do a gun bash into Strikedown

[frail skiff]

So huzah, you can be a funny sniper in the dark

[lavish solar]

True

[frail skiff]

I have also turned my Helbore into a sniper rifle

[placid portal]

Me: mashing mark target in the void

[frail skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378343217386749962/1289865965210832978/image.png?ex=67063e4a&is=6704ecca&hm=7c810ab50e87222abf8904ca9a0fc41d75c41a7d220edc805838f3cf2fd578f5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=215

[lavish solar]

Problem is I find that bayonet helps quite a bit with helbore’s atrocious draw time so mk3 is kinda…

Let’s just say not good for staying alive

[lavish solar]

Oooooh

Nice

[frail skiff]

That's why I bring the good old axe

[placid portal]

Which is why I use exe stance or cancel draw animation by shouting

[frail skiff]

Also, here is a tip

[lavish solar]

You WHAT by shouting?

Didn’t know that’s a thing

[placid portal]

Pretty sure you can overlap the shout hands animation over the draw animation of the helbor to skip it

[frail skiff]

When you draw the MK3. If you don't have a full mag you can reload and then animation cancel with sprinting to pull it out instantly

[lavish solar]

Wow thanks a lot

[placid portal]

Might be misinformation

Havent used shout with helbored but I did use it with boltgun at the time

[lavish solar]

np I can try it out later, thanks for the info anyways

Also my sorry ass find it a bit hard to survive in melee with es build, I feel like I either get fucked by not stagger things enough and get hit or not killing things fast enough with a high stagger weapons

Any advice other than git gud? (Still working on that one)

[frail skiff]

My current Helbore build uses Infiltrate with the -90% threat to get some breathing room to snipe things across the map

[placid portal]

Kinda selfish but ngl helbore needs to be selfish AF

Vet killing engine cant run without the blood of elites/specials

[bronze badger]

could you send me this again? it leads me to your headclicker build for some reason

[frail skiff]

The only down side is that without Iron Will, you are rather squishy to anything that smacks you. So uh... try not to get hit

[placid portal]

I wonder if I should just run Mark target keystone for helbor

[lavish solar]

fyi I tried a few weapons: folding shovels (might be me but dps seems a bit sad), heavy sword (similar story though it feels better at killing lightly armored enemies), chain sword (pretty nice all things considered), Rashad (I feel like breakpoints can be not super great without pathing into +melee damage nodes) and of course power sword which is strong but a bit clunky and can be annoying when switching to melee reactively

[placid portal]

Claw krieger to master melee defense

[frail skiff]

Rashad is just the best at killing everything

[placid portal]

Claw makes bosses fun except nugle beasy

[frail skiff]

Just power attack anything higher than trash and it just works

[lavish solar]

True, but I do feel like it needs one of the +melee damage nodes on the right side and I can’t really spare the points to go there

[trim steppe]

Rashad is the best melee weapon in the game, hands down, to the point that it gets sorta boring how good it is

[frail skiff]

True, but it lets you make some builds that shouldn't really work

[trim steppe]

You can reach all the bps with no nodes if you have max headtaker stacks, so you either take some nodes for instant bps or you have a short ramp up time to your horde clear

[lavish solar]

Ahh okay thanks

Also me furiously wanting to make an infantry langun es build work may have contributed to not surviving higher difficulty missions

[frail skiff]

"And my axe."

[lavish solar]

Just wondering why no flak

Does it oneshot headshot those with no perks already?

[frail skiff]

I use it with Brauto

[lavish solar]

Okay got it
edit: I assumed you deal with gunners and stuff with autogun when replying but on second thought I might be mistaken

[trim steppe]

You dont need flak if you have melee nodes and HT stacks. Again if you want instant dreg bruiser bps for clear you need flak. I like flak, but taking carapace instead helps reduce hits needed for crushers by 1

[frail skiff]

Which with Brauto is a necessity

SInce even with onslaught you have to make dump a whole crusher

If you want to melt a crusher with your gun, then the high RoF Recon las is better

[trim steppe]

The zarona revolver can also 1-shot crushers if you build right. 2-shot in other cases

[frail skiff]

True, but I feel the recon has better ammo economy to deal with just about everything with Shocktrooper

[lavish solar]

So true

Also tends to delete bosses if you take unyielding perk for lols

[trim steppe]

Lasguns with shock trooper can give you basically infinite ammo. But also ammo usually isnt a huge deal 99% of the time, so long as you dont have 4 people running ammo hungry builds and avoiding melee

[frail skiff]

I personally just like the Brauto guns more than las

[trim steppe]

Zarona + Rashad is the gigachad meta its kinda stupid, try it if you havent already.

[trim steppe]

Argi brauto my beloved

[frail skiff]

I use Graia more for the memey mag dumpy nature of it

It also supresses the hell out of everything I shoot at

[trim steppe]

I like the agri cuz it has 3 penetration so you can just mow down anything and everything. One of the safest guns in the game imo

[lavish solar]

Also great stagger to boot

[frail skiff]

True, but the mag size leaves much to be desired

I just wish that the Brauto guns had like double the mag capacity across all the marks

[trim steppe]

The stagger and suppression on it gives you lots of space to reload when you need to, but yeah it has the smallest mag

[lavish solar]

Also the lowest fire rate so actually not super bad with regard to continuous firing

[frail skiff]

Or god forbid they give us an actuall heavy stubber/Hotshot Volley gun

[fickle narwhal]

Is thought velocity regen a good pick for the curios??

[frail skiff]

Is what?

[trim steppe]

wtf is thought velocity

[frail skiff]

Must be a psyker thing

[lavish solar]

Probably for the boneheaded inplant

Helps with thinking faster probably

[fickle narwhal]

I don’t have the game at english some translation are not the same word

Armor regen

[frail skiff]

Toughness regen?

It's bad

[fickle narwhal]

Yep

[frail skiff]

Only works with coherency regen

[trim steppe]

toughness regen speed is a bad pick except for ogryn, it only boosts your passive coherency regen, not all the other sources

[frail skiff]

Honestly, it should work like a minor version of Tunnel Vision

[fickle narwhal]

Ohh i thought toughness was a core pick on veteran , i usually use 5%hp 5%toughness and toughness regen, any suggestion to change?

[frail skiff]

Resist gunners/snipers

Ability regen

[lavish solar]

Also combat ability regen

[fickle narwhal]

Right, i wish there was a speed reload stat on those

[frail skiff]

I just use this in all my slots

[lavish solar]

For more funny yellow toughness

[trim steppe]

I'd always run 3x gunner res, maybe 1 sniper res, I really like sprint cost reduction, it makes life way better. Stam regen speed is not bad either. the 5% hp and toughness are fine if you dont want stamina and want straight armor

[frail skiff]

The thing I find is that if I use shout, I can tank a whole sniper shot and lose maybe 20 health

[trim steppe]

i usually add 1 corruption res for funsies, it helps if someone picks up a grim (or two) and offsets BoN and bursters and stuff that can leave your hp pool really bad, especially if you dont run an HP curios

[fickle narwhal]

I use this so combat ability regen maybe is not that necessary due the low cd, so i guess ressistance on gunners would be the way to go

[frail skiff]

Drop the rending keystone node

It's too situational

Do everything in your power to at least get to tactical awareness in the center tree

[lavish solar]

Probably also get iron will while you’re at it

[trim steppe]

I dont really run combat ability regen personally, i find the bonus to minor compared to the others. and with cd reduction on special kill talents your ability is up a ton anyway

[frail skiff]

Depends on which ability you use I guess

[trim steppe]

Once my build feels comfortable I usually run 3x ordos on my curios tbh gotta earn dat paper

[frail skiff]

Heh

Gotta get that level 8 zealot 500 gear amirite?

[frail skiff]

What weapons are you using with that?

Also

Drop Enhanced Target priority

[fickle narwhal]

The bolter and the chainsaw at the moment

[fickle narwhal]

But this help on the teammate to kill gunners some times right i mean gunners really worry me

[frail skiff]

Well, I haven't used bolter in months so I can't really comment

[fickle narwhal]

If you have not talents on melee wich one is the most efficient melee weapon?

I’m happy about the saw but wonder if there is one even better

[frail skiff]

Rashad performs well with zero investment

[fickle narwhal]

Someone tell me that maybe feels to slow without talents

[frail skiff]

Just make sure to have headtaker and Brutal Momentum

It will literally chew through just about everything

[winter grove]

May I give a suggestion?

Remove the "highlight the targets for allies" augment for exec stance

[frail skiff]

Already said that

[winter grove]

Damn

[frail skiff]

It only last 5 seconds and people are GENERALLY obersvant enough to see gunners in their FoV

[winter grove]

Not ogryns

They somehow can be blind

[hardy marlin]

aside from vraks, whats a good "meta" gun? ive seen revolver clips floating aroung online

[frail skiff]

Can't go wrong with plasma

[tame lodge]

Vraks Revolver Plasma

Once again

Vraks Revolver Plasma

[frail skiff]

Bolter has made a bit of a comeback or so I've heard

[hardy marlin]

alright, so ill look up a revolver build. dont really like plas too much

[frail skiff]

Recon las is a fun meme build for melting everything short of a boss

Hell, it will still melt bosses with prolonged fire

[tame lodge]

Oh and if the clips that you are seeing have a revolver melting bosses
Then it's the Agripina Revolver

[warped robin]

is Power Sword good after reworks? havent played for a year nearly; also is plasma still good? and does anyone have a nice tree for tagging elites?

[frail skiff]

It's... clunky imo

[hardy marlin]

ah, so one is for bossing and the other for generic shooties?

[frail skiff]

Power sword is okay, Plasma is top tier

It's just okay

You can get better milage out of chain swords or Rashad Combat Axe

[warped robin]

would you stick to PS or swap it to sth else? probably DSmk4 like all characters?
also can you drop me a tree for plasma using veteran? you could do it on priv

i'd be thankful to start somewhere at least and then change it to my liking

[frail skiff]

This is literally the highest rated plasma vet build available

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

[lavish solar]

Yeah especially after this update

[warped robin]

ive seen that one, true

[lavish solar]

Somehow fatshark messed with the charge-up and now if you get hit after charging up you lose the charge which can be pretty annoying

[frail skiff]

Yeah, that's a massive turn off for me

No pun intended

[lavish solar]

Also I believe repeatedly charging up the psword doesn’t refresh the charge time now

Which is also pretty bad

[lavish solar]

Me too but now I actually kinda want to play it occasionally, before it’s just a delete everything button which feels way too op

Now it requires some semblance of skill to use effectively under pressure (I guess

[frail skiff]

@warped robin The only thing I would change is the toughness regen cause for the love the of the emperor toughness regen is bad on vet

Actually... does anyone know if toughness regen affects Catch a Breath?

[warped robin]

toughness regen at the start? "Confirmed Kill"?

[lavish solar]

Perk on curio

[frail skiff]

On the curio

[warped robin]

ah okok

what for?

hp? skill cooldown? something else?

[frail skiff]

Health/Combat Ability regen

[warped robin]

wow, so not much changed

that's nice to see 🙂

would you stay with tough2 hp1 curios or swap around?

[slow spade]

You can swap hp for stamina if you're more confident

[lavish solar]

Actually, what about the +coherency radius node?

[slow spade]

Hp has no synergy with vet but stam + toughness does

[lavish solar]

Not sure how helpful that one is unless it really helps with keeping close order drill active and thus helping with survivability

[slow spade]

"Support" vets can get value from it

Born Leader, Voice of Command's Duty and Honor, Close Order, and Ping keystone get value

[lavish solar]

I see, thanks

[slow spade]

Obligatory auras too

[slow spade]

Just keep in mind, that its hard to keep in coherency on higher difficulties due to fucking bombers

So value varies :c

[fickle narwhal]

Now i understand your love for the Rashad, the more i use it the more i like it

[lavish solar]

True

[slow spade]

Rashad is the alternative now that power sword is bugged

Once power sword comes back though...

[lavish solar]

if

Won’t count on Fatshark unfucking their code any time soon

[slow spade]

I'm coping its a bug and not just forgotten changelog notes

[lavish solar]

Me too, especially since I think thunderhammer and crusher suffer from the same problem

[slow spade]

They do

Any Powered weapon :c

[lavish solar]

Also somehow with unlocked and loaded fatshark messed up the electric staff

Massive L

[slow spade]

Yeah hopefully they unfuck it

But it is what it is

[lavish solar]

True

In the mean time, I’ve had moderate success with heavy sword on vet

Can’t comment on how strong it is but feels pretty fun and safe in most melee situations

[slow spade]

I like rashad as a replacement

[shut orbit]

Just got the chainsword unlocked, when should you use the charge up special?

[slow spade]

It needs more investment than power sword but it is what it is

[lavish solar]

Against bosses and ogryns mostly imo

[frail skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/it-just-works-todd-howard-fallout-skyrim-bethesda-gif-14816629

[slow spade]

Killing big boys

[lavish solar]

Also mutants

[shut orbit]

What does it actually do?

[frail skiff]

Rip and tear

[lavish solar]

Basically it latches on to the first enemy it hits and does a few ticks of damage in quick succession

With massive damage at the end of the animation

[shut orbit]

Do you just use it > light and repeat?

[slow spade]

Keep in mind that each tick can proc blessings and talents

So you can synergize that way

[lavish solar]

Light and heavy after activating both work

[lavish solar]

Ahh the good old days when thunderous procs on sawing ticks

That’s only for chain axes I think but regardless, was really fun pairing that with bloodletter

[frail skiff]

What would folks think if the mag capacity on all Brauto guns were doubled?

[lavish solar]

Space ak will probably be a bit too op

But I like the idea of more daka

[tame lodge]

Rev heavy has more damage than rev light

[slow spade]

While I wouldn't say no, that's pretty strong lol

[frail skiff]

Graia with 148 ammo in a mag.

[lavish solar]

Maybe change them to belt fed so you need a long ass reload for balancing

[frail skiff]

OR

OR

[fickle narwhal]

I wish chainsaw were a little bit better since it’s the most iconic melee weapon on 40k but i guess it’s okay

[frail skiff]

Give us a heavy stubber dammit

[slow spade]

Drop gun -> pull out 2nd gun

[lavish solar]

They’re pretty nice on zealot imo

[lavish solar]

I like that idea

[slow spade]

Chain weapons just lack vs hordes which can be compensated with blessings

You can dodge while sawing someone now so its a lot safer

[lavish solar]

Chain swords are pretty decent vs hoards I think

[slow spade]

Yeah with blessings

[lavish solar]

Not super great but good enough to keep one safe

[slow spade]

Otherwise big sad :c

[lavish solar]

True :(

Also one more question

Why would one pick the old shovel over the folding ones

Pretty sure the old one has slightly lower damage for heavies in the inspection page and it can’t deal with carapace as effectively, but I think people still like it

Slightly confused as to why

[regal smelt]

the wide heavy swing for cleaves i guess

[lavish solar]

Yeah but the mk7 also has the same heavies

[regal smelt]

maybe they just want to stagger the enemies instead of killing them

[lavish solar]

Fair enough

[warped robin]

if talking about PS then achlys mk6? dump mobility?
rashad which one and dump mobi as well right?

[somber axle]

I think it has a slightly faster swing speed but also the special attack is a very high stagger poke that shoves poxbursters without stamina cost which can be a lifesaver for Deadshot fiends who shoot until their Stam is empty and get caught by a silent poxburster or to slap a Rager out of their combo

[lavish solar]

I would dump cleave targets as once you power the thing up it cleaves shit like nobody’s business regardless of the base cleave numbers stat

[lavish solar]

I see, thanks

[warped robin]

what about mark version of PS and rashad, do you have info on that?

[lavish solar]

Also psword has bad enough dodge distance as is, with a low mobility stat I tend to get myself killed trying to dodge stuff

[lavish solar]

I think objectively mk6 has more potential with its light attack pattern and push attack

[slow spade]

Power sword mk6, dump mobility as it barely affects you,

[warped robin]

and it can be charged while blocking iirc while the other one couldnt(?)

[lavish solar]

That too

[slow spade]

Rashad use combat axe

[lavish solar]

Although mk3 doesn’t make you slow down to a crawl when charging up

[barren tiger]

I am a returning player after like 1.5 years and trying out voice of command talent, this is great.

And the fact you can craft your weapons with what you want made my recon lasgun pretty decent in damnation.

Game really put out some good updates while I I was gone

[lavish solar]

I personally prefer how mk3 feels and really want to say it’s up to personal preference. Unfortunately the mk6’s push attack is literally broken and makes it just so much better

[somber axle]

Yeah Recons got buffed during Secrets of the Machine God so they're all very solid weapons now but the VId/XII is extra fun and powerful with Rending Strikes, Onslaught and Shock Trooper for Crusher shredding

[lavish solar]

Oneshotting crushers and deleting bosses smh

[slow spade]

The only reason to use mk3 powersword is for Heavy attack spam (even that is shit) otherwise Mk6 is superior in every way

[lavish solar]

True

[slow spade]

Because for SOME reason, Fatshark made light and heavy energized attacks do the same damage

So there's no reason to use heavy ever

[pseudo fiber]

Except with sunder

[slow spade]

So mk6 powersword has a better moveset, better damage, better stats, and easier to use

[slow spade]

Except you attack faster with lights so mk6 is still better damage

[frail skiff]

Until a trash mob pokes you in the ass

[slow spade]

-25% block cost

[shut orbit]

Do you just spam heavies for hordes with the mk4 chainsword?

[slow spade]

And mk3 still sucks vs being backstabbed too

[lavish solar]

Yeah I think so

[glacial mist]

what's the maximum number of empowered swings i can get with a power sword?

[slow spade]

Max is 3

[glacial mist]

k thanks

[slow spade]

Power cycler T4

[lavish solar]

Alternatively use the mk13(I think it’s the mk13?) and light spam

[pseudo fiber]

it's the 13 yeah

[frail skiff]

Or just use the Rashad since it will literally file your taxes for you

[slow spade]

Keep in mind its bugged and refreshing your sword doesn't work properly at times

[slow spade]

It need more investment than powersword

So its not a "strictly better" weapon

[glacial mist]

is there a weapon that i can spam light attacks into a horde?

[lavish solar]

Feels a bit clunky with its attack speed but yeah it deletes mobs

[subtle hornet]

What Recon Lasgun is better now for gun psyker?
In new PDF (in word) there is no marks of bad/good/niche.

[slow spade]

Rashad

[glacial mist]

a good weapon for*

[glacial mist]

what's that?

[slow spade]

Rashad combat axe is just light spam into hordes

[frail skiff]

Heavy attack anything bigger

[glacial mist]

combat axe? i thought that's more of a boss killing thing

or maybe im thinking of the shovel

[slow spade]

If you put points, it 1-hit kills any trash mob

[pseudo fiber]

Combat axe is an everything thing

[slow spade]

And you can kill up to 4 guys per swing

[glacial mist]

nvm that i'll try that when i get back on my vet

[lavish solar]

Rashad combat axe, mk13 chainsword, technically mk14 chainaxe, also probably tacaxe and knife

[subtle hornet]

Help.

[lavish solar]

At least these have light attack patterns suited to spamming

[slow spade]

Here's someone's Rashad for reference

[frail skiff]

Even without investment you just gotta get it going with headtaker and it will still mow the lawn

[slow spade]

Sorry I've not used recon since Patch 13 :c

[frail skiff]

That's mine

[slow spade]

Neat c:

[frail skiff]

Nevermind

[lavish solar]

I think all 3 works perfectly fine tbh

[frail skiff]

Mine is Unarmored/Carapace

[slow spade]

Mine is unarmored + Maniac

Fuck dreg ragers

[subtle hornet]

Carapace? Isnt lasguns bad against it?

[slow spade]

Rashad combat axe

[frail skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1293183403293671485/Screenshot_2024-10-08_015807.png?ex=67067265&is=670520e5&hm=dce5bc9a5991ac8d00962b1b8961e62c0ac90af022b66d14b30d0cae7141436e&

[slow spade]

Rashad has like 80% armor pen on carapace

Idk why

[subtle hornet]

Wrong discusion.)

[idle swallow]

I probably wouldn't do the 2 ammo per shot recon on psyker just because the ammo use is a bit too high but you can probably make all 3 work if you're careful about usage

[slow spade]

Yeah honestly you might want to use the search bar to look for recon discussions

[lavish solar]

But that one has cleave which is pretty helpful at times

[slow spade]

No way, there's not like 10 recon convos

[lavish solar]

Especially with the talent that adds up to 100% cleave scaling with peril

Pushes the mk14 up to 6 cleave which is absolutely nuts

[frail skiff]

I wish vet had a cleave improvement talent

[lavish solar]

Same

[frail skiff]

Agri Brauto with extra pen

GIMME

[lavish solar]

I guess you can take hotshot on a helbore

Apparently it gives like 50 cleave

[frail skiff]

But why do that when you can have 100% crit with 100% extra crit headshot dmg?

[tame lodge]

That's the tooltip suffering from Fatsharkosis

[slow spade]

Funny

[tame lodge]

It's 50% cleave

[lavish solar]

Wait can you have +100% crit headshot damage?

I thought helbore didn’t have that blessing

[frail skiff]

I forgot what the blessing was called

It has it

[lavish solar]

Ahh okay fuck

[slow spade]

You can't

Deadly Accurate Helbore would be funny though

[frail skiff]

...

Hold the eff on

[lavish solar]

Actually wait, what’s the base cleave for helbore shots

Can’t be sure if it has any

[tame lodge]

3

All marks

[lavish solar]

Ahh okay

Thanks

[tame lodge]

So with hotshot is 4.5 on weakspots

[lavish solar]

Which is still ass

[slow spade]

You can kill 2 bruisers though c:

[lavish solar]

Sad, I was thinking about deleting hoards with 50 cleave

[tame lodge]

And with the Marksman red node it's 5.4 (for 10 seconds)

[split grove]

knife perks is it elite dmg + cara?

[frail skiff]

Oh, I guess I'm stupid. I forgot I was using weight of fire and Deadly accurate wasn't a thing for helbore

[split grove]

with uncanny ripsote

[lavish solar]

Weight of fire is really nice tho

[serene bough]

I run uncanny + flesh tearer

[serene bough]

Riposte is good too, many other blessings work well

[split grove]

do i want 1 stamina curio

[serene bough]

I run 1 Stam curio since push attacking is your greatest single target dps

[slow spade]

Don't worry, we all wish it did

[serene bough]

You could run 2 stam curios but I think this is overkill

[frail skiff]

With the right build we could probably thank a third to half a bosses HP in 1 hit

[slow spade]

3 stam curios, all spring efficiency, both speed nodes

ZOOM

[split grove]

flesh tearer for additional horde clear?

[slow spade]

Bolt pistol has Surgical + Deadly Accurate 🤔

[frail skiff]

Brauto gun with stripped down so you can literally run forever with gunners

[slow spade]

As the Emperor willed 🙏

[lavish solar]

Probably take duck&dive just for good measure

[split grove]

is bleed damage good on big lads?

[frail skiff]

They can't kill my team if they can't hit the DISTRACTION CARNIFEX VET

[lavish solar]

Yes on unyielding, not so much on carapace

[slow spade]

Only if you have brittleness/rending

[serene bough]

It won't change ttk on most enemies but I keep it for chip damage on bosses and the occasional suprise kill

[lavish solar]

Unless you have uncanny active

[slow spade]

But it does do good chip damage

[serene bough]

Theres some funny breakpoints like H1 weakspot crit on poxwalkers will bleed them to death

[lavish solar]

That’s for mk6 knife I assume?

[serene bough]

Ye

Mk6 is better than mk3 for vet from my experience

[frail skiff]

Now that I think about it.

Deadly Accurate Helbore would make the Infantry Lasgun redundant outside of slightly easier to aim

[serene bough]

I don't think so, ilas has its place as a pretty reliable firearm

[lavish solar]

I honestly can’t figure out infantry lasguns now

[frail skiff]

Maybe, but having a lasgun that could go toe to toe with plasma would be something

[lavish solar]

Not sure what they can do better than other options in

Ummm

Any given task

[serene bough]

high volume of fire and ammo efficiency

[lavish solar]

Yes but in that regard the recon las is probably better

[serene bough]

cant say for certain, recon is a bullet hose

[slow spade]

Certainly not ammo efficiency lol

[serene bough]

i prefer ilas over recon for longer range precision

[lavish solar]

True

[frail skiff]

Ilas has accuracy

[slow spade]

Yeah you got to burst fire recon at long range

[frail skiff]

But I prefer helbore for sniping

[slow spade]

It has high weapon spread after a sec of firing

[lavish solar]

But the high ammo efficiency of infantry las doesn’t mean a whole lot if you don’t have the time or space to shoot a lot

[slow spade]

Full auto mod + the carbine lasgun 😎

[lavish solar]

Plus I feel like it struggles a bit with regards to breakpoints

[slow spade]

Deadly Accurate + Headhunter

[frail skiff]

Helbore MK3 + Infiltrate -90% agro + scope

[slow spade]

If that doesn't help you, nothing will

[lavish solar]

Yeah but it doesn’t always proc which is the issue

[serene bough]

mk1a just needs exec stance to reach 1HKO breakpoints, whereas the mk4 can comfortably hit 2-3 headshots

[slow spade]

Don't be unlucky

[serene bough]

DA is a trap blessing, its all about HH + ghost

[lavish solar]

Thanks I’ll pray more zealously

[slow spade]

Sorry I kill my shooters

[wraith lion]

Guardsmen, do charged Plasma bolts still punch through shields and cover

[split grove]

the flow of this knife is so tough

[lavish solar]

Not shields

[slow spade]

Cover yes, shields no

Stealth nerf to plasma

[split grove]

h1 h2 l3 h2 l3 h2

do u sprint before or after u heavy to go faster

[serene bough]

DA doesn't push any breakpoints on the mk4, and im not sure what breakpoints it pushes on the mk1a admittedly

[wraith lion]

Why the hell did the dedicated anti tank gun lose shield pen on fully charged attacks

[lavish solar]

Yes but I find if I pair mg1a with es I am very very limited in terms of melee and grenade choices

[slow spade]

Because funny

[serene bough]

personally, I prefer the mk4 and running some melee traits since it can be used more aggressively

im not a big fan of the mg1a

[lavish solar]

Either bring krak for a bit of anti carapace and lose out on cc or bring frag and get fucked the moment more than 1 crusher appears

[slow spade]

Frag counters crushers though

[glacial mist]

revolver vs bolt pistol, which one is better to quick headshot take down a mauler/crusher?

[wraith lion]

Do charged shots at least stagger the bulwark?

[slow spade]

It knocks rhem on their ass

[slow spade]

Revolver

[serene bough]

H1 > H2 > L3 > L4 is the combo for horde damage

[ocean idol]

What guys your preferred weapons on vet?

[slow spade]

Revolver is the strongest vet rangef

[serene bough]

but i think H1 > H2 > BC is more DPS, its just more annoying for me

[lavish solar]

True but you still need a melee that can deal effective damage to them

[slow spade]

Powersword + plasma/bolter

[slow spade]

That's easier said than done

[lavish solar]

ikr

[wraith lion]

Infantry Autogun + Heavy Sword but I'm doing a tallarn build so don't take me too seriously

[slow spade]

In a class with like 60 anti-crushwr melee weapons

[frail skiff]

Rashad + Graia Brauto right now

[serene bough]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6a195f-4891-4c49-8aff-6dee24bb5d50/mg4-knife i run this

[wraith lion]

Agripinaa IA my beloved

[slow spade]

The only vet weapons that struggle vs crushers is like devil claws and heavy swords

[lavish solar]

Thing is with an es build you also need a melee thats pretty good against hoards

Which basically means pick power sword

[slow spade]

I never said they struggled vs hordes

They do not

Vet is the "do everything" class

[lavish solar]

Wait what do you refer to when you say “they”

[slow spade]

Almost every melee weapon Vet has

[lavish solar]

Hmmmmm okay

I do really need some pointers on strong anti crusher melee

Genuinely

[serene bough]

knife or rashaad caxe

[slow spade]

Rashad, Powersword, Chain weapons, Knives, Dueling Sword

[serene bough]

i dont like tac awareness i think its a crutch

[slow spade]

The folding shovels

[supple stag]

Even folding shovels can remove crushers

[supple stag]

Chainaxes I can agree, chainswords not so much

[frail skiff]

Yeah, but you're literally handicapping yourself without it

[slow spade]

Can kill them reliably in my experience

[lavish solar]

Fair enough, I feel like most of them are more like “you can deal with a few crushers if you really need to” but I guess that’s good enough

[ocean idol]

Tallarn?

Also both of those are anti-horde, no?

[serene bough]

i dont think so, there's no need to be spamming stealth unless you constantly want to screw over your team with threat reduction

[ocean idol]

i do want to try heavy sword on vet though

[serene bough]

if i loaded stealth with dps abilities i'd take tac awareness

[lavish solar]

Is pretty fun

[slow spade]

1 frag -> kill 1-3 crushers -> 1 frag -> repeat

[frail skiff]

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it

[lavish solar]

Good advice

[ocean idol]

Why ghost? +weakspot damage too small to matter?

[lavish solar]

Speaking of folding shovels, what blessings to bring?

[serene bough]

DA doesnt do anything for Mg4

[lavish solar]

Kinda on the fence with regard to thrust

[slow spade]

The main advantage over krak is it also staggers the horde

[supple stag]

Thrust Uncanny

[serene bough]

tanking threats with ghost is overall much stronger, especially considering the volume of fire you're going to put out

[slow spade]

Decimator if you feel spicy + Uncanny

[lavish solar]

And I assume flak & carapace for perks?

[serene bough]

i don't agree, knowing when to use your abilities at the right time and place is sufficient enough instead of spamming

[supple stag]

Let me check my folding shovels real quick

[wraith lion]

Tallarn Desert Raiders, a Guard regiment that specializes in armored cavalry and guerilla attacks. They earned their fame in the Horus Heresy when they sent Iron Warriors packing when their whole planet was Virus Bombed so they simply conducted a guerilla war from the cabins of thousands of tanks, rolling up on Pertuabo's sons and disappearing as fast as the shooting starts

[lavish solar]

Thanks a lot!

[supple stag]

I have Carapace + Elite

[lavish solar]

Ahhh okay thanks

[supple stag]

You can experiment a bit yourself

[wraith lion]

Their minis are depicted using Kantraels with traditional rifle stocks instead of pistol grips but I'm currently trying to find a Helbore with good enough stats to invest in

[supple stag]

I built them to be specifically anticrusher tools

[wraith lion]

Speaking of, which Helbore mark should I use if I just want the bayonet and stock and don't really want to charge unless I'm fighting something taggable

[lavish solar]

Gotcha, also how the hoard clear? With past experience I feel like shovels tend to stagger hoards a bit more than killing them

[grand perch]

dont bother with non charged shots basically

mk3 hits ordinary shooter BPs with exec stance (maybe even without never looked into that) if youre dead set on uncharged shots

[lavish solar]

Yeah basically this

[frail skiff]

Agree to disagree. I always find it helpful to have insurance incase something unexpected happens

[serene bough]

that is fair

[lavish solar]

Plus with the iron sights by the time you find the enemy you’re probably at full charge

[slow spade]

There's no reason to not get Tactical Awareness because I want Demo Team 😎

[wraith lion]

Surely I don't need to charge up to dispatch regular shooters

[slow spade]

More nades 😩

[balmy flume]

Is Agri Autogun with Exec Stance a good idea once again nowadays?
Tempted to go back to it now the Talent Tree is fixed up…

[lavish solar]

Doesn’t hurt to charge and have a higher crit rate in that case imo

[wraith lion]

Higher ammo consumption was my worry, don't want to expend the power on a target that doesn't require it

[lavish solar]

You don’t need to, but at least for me if you just start charging immediately after a shot, by the time you line up the second shot you’re at full charge most of the time

[lavish solar]

Yeah but if you bring shock trooper and surgical

Charge—higher crit rate—more likely won’t consume any ammo

[wraith lion]

My other two gaming buddies are also Vets so there's the odd concern with all three of us at orange ammo bars squabbling over who gets the bullets

[lavish solar]

Plus charging up makes extra sure that whatever you’re shooting is dead

[wraith lion]

Oh I hadn't even thought of that

[lavish solar]

If you want to do uncharged shooting I think mk1 is better (?) as it can oneshot basic gunners with a headshot

I think

Reasonably sure mk2 can’t but can’t swear to that

[wraith lion]

Is Mk2 the one with the slashing bayonet

[lavish solar]

No that’s mk3

Mk2 is the one with the sting-like thin bayonet

The one that shoots the fastest

[frail skiff]

I'm just a MK3 enjoyer

[wraith lion]

So using the Surgical-Shocktrooper combo whats the best helbore

[frail skiff]

MK3 if you want to go big game hunting

[lavish solar]

I can’t figure out how to play mk3 effectively for the life of me but it’s really pretty strong if you use it right

[wraith lion]

Uhh I was using Exe stance for countershooting

[lavish solar]

All 3 are good with this combo I think, mk2 a bit less so since it charges up so fast

[wraith lion]

Highlight shooters, remove shooters

[frail skiff]

Ah

[supple stag]

For Mk VII go for heavy spam, with Mk III light spam is decent

Their horde clear is acceptable, if you don't compare it to Rashad/Power Sword

[lavish solar]

Gotcha

[frail skiff]

I use infiltrate with 90% threat since I don't really need shooters hilighted to know what to shoot

[lavish solar]

Also I genuinely don’t like mk2 since it’s a bit weak breakpoint-wise

[wraith lion]

Well the highlight just boosts ranged damage by like a shitton

[lavish solar]

As in “why no oneshot gunner”

[wraith lion]

Is infiltrate good now?

[supple stag]

It's fine, I like it

[serene bough]

infiltrate has always been good

[supple stag]

Especially with tdr node after leaving stealth

[wraith lion]

It might fit the Tallarn ambush tactics better

[lavish solar]

True

[serene bough]

well, except for maybe the first week when the CD was too long and the duration was too short

[wraith lion]

Loop around a horde in stealth, start picking out the gunners and specials, switch to my sword and keep cutting them down from there

[frail skiff]

Remember: during stealth you can underhand grenades and that won't break stealth

[lavish solar]

Wait you can do that?

[frail skiff]

Yes

[serene bough]

yeah

[lavish solar]

The more I know

[serene bough]

technically not with kraks though

[lavish solar]

Wow

[serene bough]

the stick counts as a hit and will uncover you

but ideally, you'd be underhanding shredders

[wraith lion]

Local infiltrate vet removes crusher patrol with krak grenades, doesn't even get noticed

oh dang :(

[lavish solar]

Help I’m trying to infiltrate but the slap of my krak grenades connecting with carapace armor keeps alerting the patrols

[frail skiff]

Well, I use smokes with my Helbor build, so it's a little less useful unless I'm setting up to deal with a karkton of shooters/gunners

[radiant chasm]

Dont need the tdr node with the aggro drop node

[wraith lion]

Both is good if you have excess points no?

[frail skiff]

Well

[lavish solar]

That’s a pretty big if

[frail skiff]

-90% agro makes tdr redundant unless you're alone

[radiant chasm]

Why would you stack “enemies won’t go after you unless you are their only viable target” with “take less damage”

[serene bough]

i dont think tdr node is worth if you're going to take threat reduction

[wraith lion]

In case your randos fuck off to the other end of the hive for some reason

[serene bough]

you'll sometimes take aggro from melee enemies but gunners you're going to be completely invisible for another 10 seconds

honestly i think the TDR node is kind of pointless since threat reduction node is almost always better

[wraith lion]

Although I guess it'd be better to take the perk that increases damage when you exit stealth to help clear some space

[frail skiff]

Eh

[radiant chasm]

Never had that issue

[split grove]

for mk3 knife does it have good stagger?

[radiant chasm]

Ehh it’s only 5 seconds

[split grove]

on horde

[radiant chasm]

No

[frail skiff]

Edge cases where everyone dies but you and you're trying to rush your happy ass across the map to your tied up team

[split grove]

i wish i had a flame dagger from vtide lol

[serene bough]

the only two perks for stealth i consider are threat reduction and damage increase, i dont bother with the other two

[vivid vale]

@tall torrent noticed you've got deathspitter as BiS on recon las-guns. what makes it better than infernus or headhunter?

[shell python]

real talk krak grenades are so fucking addictive

[wraith lion]

What's better to pair with a good helbore on infiltrate; Dueling Sabre, Heavy Sword, or Knife

[frail skiff]

Overwatch seems good on paper, but having the extra CD especially if you don't have TA can be a death sentence in some cases if things start going wrong fast

[lavish solar]

Actually forget about infernus and headhunter for a sec, how is it better than dum dum

[shell python]

bulwark or crusher? “no fuck off”
monstrosity? focus fire + krak grenade = 40-45% health deleted

[radiant chasm]

Recon Lasguns don’t have good finesse

[serene bough]

yeah, TA is sufficient enough to not require another charge of stealth imo

[split grove]

infernus headhunter is for the big burns i think

[radiant chasm]

And fire damage is only a straight comparative upgrade vs unyielding after like, 12.5m

[split grove]

but if ur tryna close range blast shit to death spitter is the goat

[vivid vale]

he's got dumdum on there, which I agree with. the deathspitter choice makes me wonder if he's onto something.

[split grove]

is the parry sword really safe into anything

[lavish solar]

Ahh okay

[thick needle]

Is there a better option than Savage Sweep or am I good

[vivid vale]

shred

[radiant chasm]

Infernus is good on the fast firing recon

[frail skiff]

Anyway, off to bed

[pseudo fiber]

chaos spawn spawns suddenly the smykers cannot play the game I hate it here I hate it here

[radiant chasm]

It’s the 13g you want wrath

Not savage sweep

[lavish solar]

I’ve been playing a bit of heavy sword + helbore lately, feels pretty good

[wraith lion]

I've been using HS too! It's just weird getting into the rhythm of purely heavies and push bc the lights don't seem to do anything

[lavish solar]

Till you have to solo clutch against an entire mixed hoard, at which point you start wishing you have either Rashad or power sword

And probably a gun that you can draw out in less than 3 months

[split grove]

mfw i just wanna have fun but my team is dead and now i'm clutching

[wraith lion]

I won't lie I tend to spam bayonet stabs in hordes lmao

[lavish solar]

Mk9 then? I was using the mk6 and light spamming like the pleb I am

[frail skiff]

less than a full mag? As you pull the MK3 out reload and then animation cancel with sprint. Instantly pulls it out

[split grove]

so the devil claws can parry overheads?

[lavish solar]

Still pretty fun and surprisingly pretty safe as it staggers quite a bit

[lavish solar]

Yes

[split grove]

must it be the perfect one or can be during the entire window

[wraith lion]

The heavy sword always feels like it's more of a taggable tool tbh

[lavish solar]

Non-perfect parry clears all of your stamina but I don’t think you get damaged

[split grove]

oh yeah reload and sprint cancels i need to learn those

[lavish solar]

Me too, only cancel I learnt is the plasma one

[slow spade]

Bolter has one too

[split grove]

which hsword is the best?

[lavish solar]

Curious as well

[frail skiff]

Rashad

[lavish solar]

I think mk9 is best for zealot, for vet I’m still trying to figure things out

[bronze badger]

wow the bolt pistol is so satisfying. i think its because its faster than the boltgun, but retains enough damage to one shot lighter enemies. BLAM

[lavish solar]

My only gripe with the mk9 is that using heavies tend to lead to random pox walkers hitting me during the charge-up

[split grove]

stop stop stop not the rashad

i'm so rashad carried its not funny

[lavish solar]

Which fucks up my combos

[frail skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[lavish solar]

Also run&gun soooo fun

[split grove]

btw is rashad flakiac or cara unyield

[frail skiff]

Depends on what you pair with it

[fading yarrow]

Flakiac is so fun to say

[frail skiff]

I pair a Brauto gun so I use Cariac

[lavish solar]

Soooo any tips

[split grove]

me reading

[frail skiff]

Wait, no I use unarmored carapace

So I can horde clear and overhead ogryns

Brauto mows down everything inbetween

[slow spade]

Pins reader

[icy orchid]

Bruh, Is there a colorblind option for just sniper lines or something? I just went 3 times down to snipers I couldn't see.

and yes, it was in the direction I was looking in

[split grove]

i'm gonna say mkix

is the best

cos the horde chart say big horde clear

[toxic leaf]

generally, yes

[lavish solar]

With heavies yes

[toxic leaf]

it horde clears well, special is good for ragers and elite balls

[lavish solar]

But one hit during charge up means fuck you

[split grove]

if i wanna kill a big thing i'm gonna use my gun

[toxic leaf]

i wouldnt take heavy sword without krak though

[split grove]

and if my whole team dies and it's 8 cara in front of me, i accept my clutch or kick

[lavish solar]

so currently a bit hesitant on taking mkix

[split grove]

mfw no rashad in hand

[toxic leaf]

its not taht bad, you dont need to charge heavies, you jsut need to use them

[frail skiff]

You can solve that problem by always taking a Rashad

[lavish solar]

True

[toxic leaf]

rashad is better but heavy sword does have a niche in histg in being able to 1 shot ragers and elites

they have throwing ragers as you

[lavish solar]

muties too

[split grove]

yeah but i just pull out my gun most of the time lol

wait u can 1 tap muties with this thing?

[frail skiff]

I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF UNLOADING MY BRAUTO GUN INTO THIS RAGER

[split grove]

what the fk

[toxic leaf]

the heavy overhead from the special will one shot on weak spot

[split grove]

how many stacks do i need of htaker

[toxic leaf]

but the special attack will not

[lavish solar]

Yes

[split grove]

lol

so it CAN do it

[toxic leaf]

yea but you need to special > heavy and charge it afaik

[verbal burrow]

Might want to shunt a bit more mobility into that shredder

[split grove]

why do i need to charge it?

[toxic leaf]

9 times out of 10, the mutie is dead from either a rock

[split grove]

is there thrust on this thing?

[toxic leaf]

or DS psyker / zealot

[lavish solar]

More important than htaker stacks you need to hit the weak spot of the mutie

I think H1 on weak spot just flat out oneshots muties

[split grove]

without + maniac?

just the + elite

[lavish solar]

Probably need one of the + damage nodes tho

[lavish solar]

I’ll need to get back home and check to be sure

[split grove]

whatever i'll just do it until it doesn't work

[toxic leaf]

charging muties are one of hte most contested kills in the game i think, ogryn rocks, zealot knives (i think), dueling sword heavies all want ot one shot

people love charging muties

[lavish solar]

True

Also charged up chain weapons

[toxic leaf]

yea rev'd chain weapons

[verbal burrow]

Plasma Gunner Veterans with headshots

[lavish solar]

Actually funny enough

With thrust and +maniac just a regular heavy from the mk14 chainaxe can oneshot muties

Not super super useful but really fun

[supple stag]

I only run tdr node

Taking more than 1 node for an ult feels like a waste of talent points tbh

[lavish solar]

angry psyker noises

But yeah I generally agree

[pseudo fiber]

without headtaker stack

[toxic leaf]

hea the overhead is super good at taking out elites and specials

thats why hsword is so good at rager swarms

vs the rashad

and i believe it cleaves more than the rashad on its heavies for trash killing

[lavish solar]

Actually are heavy swords loosely lore accurate for kriegers?

[toxic leaf]

but you need to use heavies and can get knocked out of it

[lavish solar]

Just wondering because the funny shovel becomes less funny after a few hundred hours

[toxic leaf]

i swear they made vet easier to knock out of attacks because i was playing yseterday and my psword felt so bad because i kept getting fumbled out of combos

[lavish solar]

That’s just power swords bugging out after the new patch

[toxic leaf]

is it a bug?

[lavish solar]

I think so

[toxic leaf]

it felt awful and i definitely sandbagged that map

[lavish solar]

All power weapons now lose charge if you’re hit

[toxic leaf]

felt bad for the team, i was going down against regular bruiser hordes

thinking wtf is going on

[lavish solar]

Same goes for thunder hammer and crusher I think

Also repeatedly charging up your weapon doesn’t refresh the charge time

[toxic leaf]

either way i had to put the ps down and use a shovel

for my exec stance builds

[icy orchid]

Did they nerf the knife and IAG like within the last couple patches?

[toxic leaf]

at least that can create space and stall

[lavish solar]

Don’t think so, heard that there’s something weird with knife heavies since unlocked and loaded but can’t confirm personally

[icy orchid]

I feel a lot weaker thesedays

....I suppose I could just be rusty

[radiant chasm]

No but the iags got renamed

[lavish solar]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-im-too-weak-weak-too-weak-i-am-too-weak-gif-27278272

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/korone-yes-gif-18408532

[lavish solar]

Korone cute

[thick needle]

do revives feel really bad to anyone else now

[tame lodge]

Make sure you're using the correct Columnus (now Vraks 5)

[lavish solar]

I swear the number of times my revives got interrupted by gunners clearing out my toughness skyrocketed in the past few weeks

[dense rapids]

which blessing do you pick alongside surgical for the bost pistol ? Everyone swars by bleed but I barely see any difference

[lavish solar]

I ummmm

Don’t use surgical

But that’s just me

For real, bleed is pretty good at getting you over breakpoints

[tame lodge]

Well if it's surgical then deadly accurate

You just have to hit heads

[lavish solar]

True, but then you basically get a worse zarona

[dense rapids]

I never do

I always get them are one or two hp needing another shot

[lavish solar]

In missions with this or that talent active it can be a bit more impactful

I’ve had a fair share of specialists bleeding out after like a second of being shot

Also for what it’s worth bleed helps with unyielding enemies too

[fickle narwhal]

i'm soo tyred of this moebian armor hordes

it's a pain in the ass

[lavish solar]

Bring Rashad

[hearty panther]

I hope they aren't going away.

[lavish solar]

Then it makes absolutely no difference

[lavish solar]

True, pretty fun modifier

[balmy flume]

I suppose P Sword can also slice through said armoured zombies?

If so I got no problem

[lavish solar]

Yes

Psword slices through everything short of carapace

Those too if you have sunder

But beware, psword now loses charge if you get hit

So try to be extra careful when charging up

[outer wolf]

guys, what's the best infantry lasgun mk atm?

[tall torrent]

yea

[outer wolf]

Also, best kantrael blessings? Deathspitter/Infernus?

[final zealot]

Is deadshot not worth having with a columnus on a exe stance build?

wondering if I should drop it or not

[lament vessel]

Absolutely not. That thing will guzzle down your Stamina.

[exotic plume]

Quick question - does "+50% aura radius" of the perk Charismtic mean your effective coherency range is increased by 50%, or JUST the passive aura?

[final zealot]

Guess ill slot something else in then, like tunnel vis maybe

does enhanced target priority count outlined enemy kills by allies towards exe stance upkeep?

[lament vessel]

Plus you don't need Deadshot for it anyways. It already demolishes everything with headshots thanks to its extreme fire rate

[vestal widget]

2b (the fast-firing weak one) if you wanna spam shoot a ton, 7 (middle one) otherwise for one tapping stuff. the slowest most powerful one didn't really get more breakpoints than the middle one last time I checked (this was with an imperfect lasgun before latest patch) so I think everyone used that instead.

headhunter/deadly accurate or maybe headhunter/ghost, you can have a go in the firing range and see if deadly accurate gets you any breakpoints you value and otherwise go with ghost.

[fickle narwhal]

What is the average cap of toughness for veteran??

[vestal widget]

deadshot does it even faster but you want a lot of talent and curio support if you want to maintain it so it becomes a Deadshot Columnus build (you want target down, duck and dive and probably a stam regen node or both, and prob 2+ stam curios)

[tame lodge]

Coherency as well
Goes from 8 to 12 meters

[outer wolf]

So infernus is not worth on kantrael? Pity

[tawny badger]

infernus on an infantry lasgun :(

[somber axle]

I can answer this in more detail!

Headhunter is only if you're not running Reciprocity or Deadshot. You need some source of consistently boosting crit chance. One of the trio is enough, no need to get Recip, Deadshot and Headhunter. Headhunter has diminishing effects the higher your crit chance is. If you're not running Deadshot or Reciprocity it works very well

Infernus is less damage overall. Most special and elite targets die fast before the dot ticks make a significant difference to TTK. Things like Bombers, Snipers, Gunners, etc. die quick enough with the right talent build that Infernus barely changes anything. It's mostly for boss damage and killing beefier targets like Ogryns and Maulers. Deathspitter outperforms it on damage in most cases but you need Reciprocity or Deadshot to feed it for Shock Trooper

But for a shorter read

Dum Dum + Deathspitter with Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Headhunter without Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Infernus with Reciprocity if you like setting things on fire
Headhunter + Infernus if you don't like Reciprocity but you like setting things on fire

Infernus is nice extra damage and fun for both the visual effect, saving ammo if you stop shooting early to let the dot finish off the target and occasionally killing a target that flees beyond LoS

But it's lower performance vs Deathspitter

[void bison]

I don’t like infernus without the quick shootey one since it procs on critical and not hit.

[real flicker]

Whats the best blessings for the bolt pistol?

[void bison]

Puncture.

[real flicker]

lethal proximity doe not feel good imo

[somber axle]

I also would strongly recommend against using Deadshot with the Recon Mk XII. The fast fire rate will make your stamina vanish too fast to get much uptime with it and it's low value as a result. You sorta need to run Target Down with Duck and Dive and alternate between hip fire and ADS to squeeze value out of it and it's not worth the trouble juggling imo. But Deadshot can be fine on the VIc and XIV if you're a Deadshot fiend like me. The slower fire rates make it much more controllable

[radiant chasm]

It’s for nade boosting and cqc

[junior grail]

I noticed Helbore has a new blessing, rending on full charge

Is it worth building around it?

[real flicker]

what would the alternitive be if i was to not use it?

[radiant chasm]

Surgical

Surgical DA or surgical puncture

[void bison]

Surgical and puncture are best cuz the crit chance lets you maul the annoying guys.

[vivid vale]

awesome write-up, thank you!

[final zealot]

So with a columnus, should I just get tunnel vision with the extra talent point I got, or should I drop another talent to grab bring it down

could also just use the extra talent point to grab krakhead nades, but shredders are generally nice to have

[tame lodge]

No
You can try with the faster one
Still no

And it's brittleness

Not rending

[velvet estuary]

are the p swords bugged

feels like the activation sometimes just fucks off even when not hit

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[velvet estuary]

ok im not crazy thank fuck

[slow spade]

Someone gave the dev a supposedly working fix

Next hotfix pls

[bold belfry]

Anyone got a build for plasma gun?

[slow spade]

As in for plasma itself or skill points?

[bold belfry]

Both

[slow spade]

+25% maniac and +10% damage to elite with Rising Heat + Blaze Away is the most reliable plasma for me

Sadly I don't have access to my computer so I can't give a skill point build :c

[somber axle]

Welcomes! The guide has what is optimal damage but other options are ok and depending on someone's preferred playstyle they might choose something with a bit less damage they find more fun. Reciprocity really favours an aggressive frontline fighter playstyle to maintain. If someone wants a more backline support shooter role Headhunter or Deadshot work better

[bold belfry]

Also

I have a plasma gun with 80% damage, ammo, stopping power and thermal resistance

Worth keeping or?

Idk what the dump stat is for plasma guns but charge rate is 61%

[slow spade]

Charge rate 61% is fine

You're not spamming it too much so missing 0.07s per shot is tolerable

[regal smelt]

not to mention that with faster fire rate weapons crits come in groups. you waste so much stamina firing crits that you're going to get anyways

[bold belfry]

Worth holding onto then? It's the last one I have from buying them from brunts to dump them into masteries

[slow spade]

3 stamina + both stam delay nodes

Deadshot is free damage 😎

[trim steppe]

CR as a dump stat is just fine. If you want an optimized one, spliting CR and TR is the ideal situation. (69%+ TR, the rest into CR). But we're talking single digit or lower gains here

[slow spade]

Yes, there won't be any issues

If 0.07s per shot makes or breaks your run, there's other ways to improve

[somber axle]

Yeah. All the Recons have a crit string of 2. It ends up spending stamina on shots that didn't need the boost. But it can be really funny if you decide to be goofy and run both Deadshot and Reciprocity to juggle both. I ran an Auric HiSTG where I spent pretty much the whole match shooting and barely ever touched melee. Shock Trooper and high crit really let you just freely vomit lasers into hordes LOL

It's definitely overkill though

[slow spade]

If only we got old Survivalist with the new recon

[trim steppe]

Yeah, totally good. If you want to dump a ton of ordos into marginal improvements later, you can, but its not much value

[slow spade]

Truly infinite ammo

[vestal widget]

so many guns were ammo-positive with old survivalist

[ember basin]

man, i just noticed

a lot of vets are really tall

[slow spade]

Which is a mistake

[ember basin]

i joined several lobby with full vet where i am the shortest

[slow spade]

Fuck gunners

[regal smelt]

yeah im able to get enough crit chance off of reciprocity alone to never touch melee, as long as im survivalist and there's at least one person in the squad not using ammo. im really thinking about swapping the crit chance perk for damage at this rate.

[ember basin]

short kings win again

[slow spade]

I need to modify my char's height

I chose the middle height :c

[regal smelt]

make tall to see them over enemies or small to hide behind certain boxes lol

[slow spade]

Indeed

[trim steppe]

A lot of people wanna be chads and max out the height slider. Meanwhile my guy named Dazzler is as short as possible, very angry, very zoomy

[split sapphire]

I'm so enjoying the bolter again, freaking powerhouse!

[slow spade]

Short king moment for me so I can reload behind cover

[slow spade]

Indeed

It feels more reliable than plasma for me

[bold belfry]

[split sapphire]

Plus the sound is satisfying

[slow spade]

Big damage 😎

[regal smelt]

short psyker helped me so much back before skill trees when every gunner had knockback

[trim steppe]

You could do Gets Hot instead of Blaze Away too if you wanna try out some different combos. Unarmored instead of Elite is another option to try out and see how it feels

[orchid hemlock]

i found one guys

[regal smelt]

but now theres plenty of ways to delete them for free so its better to just see

[rocky jacinth]

make shooters dangerous again

[slow spade]

queues for auric maelstrom

[split sapphire]

Is glory hunter still viable on bolter, or is that more for plasma gun?

[trim steppe]

Literally the first one I've ever seen

[slow spade]

Yes

Its not bad

Just less damage