veteran-class

[fading yarrow]

A whole fraggin' lot of the time

[orchid hemlock]

tbh cooldown is not bad, but not taking gunner/sniper resist is kinda insane 💀

[fading yarrow]

I replaced my Gunner and Sniper resists with Stam Regen and Sprint Efficiency
I've gotten gud enough that Gunners and Snipers are essentially a non-issue for me

[orchid hemlock]

i dont care about stam regen, im talking about cdr

[austere mica]

It isn't terrible in and of itself, but when compared to either 15% toughness/health, 51% gunner/sniper resist (multiplicative DR), it really isn't worth it

[fickle narwhal]

is this that important? i saw this on alot of builds, gunners/sniper resistance

[hardy marlin]

should i be using voice of command whenever someones shield breaks, or are there better times to save it for?

[austere mica]

Snipers isn't super important (in my opinion because I barely get hit by them) but gunners are like THE most common chip damage besides shooters

[orchid hemlock]

gunners/reapers are probably the most dangerous enemies in the entire game

the reason you take sniper resist is because it helps reach breakpoints

if you have 200 health and have 20% sniper resist, you can survive 3 shots instead of 2

[fading yarrow]

Maybe but consider the following

I don't need Gunner/Sniper resist when I'm invisible/golden shielded(I run the same Curios on my VoC loadout, but with a Toughness Third Curio instead of Stam) over half the time and the Gs/Ss are dead for the rest

[marsh condor]

Speaking of Gunners, when can Veteran get a Hellgun or Heavy Stubber (single version)?

[austere mica]

VoC is lame (this is an~~ opinion~~ objective fact)

[austere mica]

Probably not because GW is lame

[orchid hemlock]

by that logic you dont need 3.6 cooldown reduction either because you can take less damage form gunners and still have the overcapped shield

[austere mica]

(the hellgun needs a backpack)

[fading yarrow]

Get mogged by

TIMMYYYYYYY
GIVVUM HELLLLLL

[plucky pewter]

Yo Vets, whats better for a Plasma Gun stat to be low in?

[marsh condor]

Fair on that, but the Heavy Stubber could still be a semi-classic LMG, something like the M60

[austere mica]

Plasma needs a stupid specific stat spec for an "optimal" weapon

[hardy marlin]

69 thermal 71 charge iirc

[fading yarrow]

^

[austere mica]

I think thats what the brauto's are meant to be

[marsh condor]

It doesn't feel the same, honestly.

[fading yarrow]

False
I don't need to take less damage when I'm not taking any damage via having my shield up every 7 - 10 seconds

Call me a Custodian 'cause my armor is golden 24/7

[orchid hemlock]

but u dont have the shield up all the time

[fading yarrow]

Also
I just realized that the Curio discussion distracted from my main question

[orchid hemlock]

also just because you are overcapped doesn't mean you take less damage

[fading yarrow]

Should I tweak my knife blessings?

[vapid nacelle]

Okay, already being able to fire the heavy laspistol at about the same rate as the light laspistol feels absolutely amazing

[fading yarrow]

Correct
I'm not taking any damage

[orchid hemlock]

u still take toughness damage regardless if you are overcapped or not by gunners

also, the elephant in the room is that you don't need to use VOC off cooldown

in fact it has more value as a toughness reseter

[fading yarrow]

I find it has immense value in being used before an engagement

[vapid nacelle]

You mean to tell me you guys don't shout at the top of your lungs the moment there's a single poxwalker or shooter attacking someone?

[fading yarrow]

^^^

[vapid nacelle]

but who wouldn't want to scream

[austere mica]

Yeah I like having fun, and winning no matter what I do is lame

[vapid nacelle]

I find ways to lose no matter what I do, we are not the same

Last man standing and there's a single poxwalker? I'm still full HP? welp seems like a good time for my garbage internet to fuck with me and get me soloed

Pouncing hound? Hold up let me just lagback my attempt to dodge/push it away

[pastel zealot]

whats the dump stat for plasma gun again?

[fading yarrow]

@pastel zealot

[pastel zealot]

right right

ty

[fading yarrow]

Np

In fact I should probably build a proper Plasma Gun, too

[tall torrent]

none

[fading yarrow]

no he

[tall torrent]

This is essentially godroll plasma

[crimson pebble]

is blaze away no longer the choice for plasam

[tall torrent]

Not as good as rising heat

[mighty escarp]

🙂 glad it works

[tall torrent]

It’s strong for knife

[fading yarrow]

Starts rolling Plasma Guns
Broke after three rolls
Oh boy, here I go grinding Malice again

Unless

[tall torrent]

Why’re u grinding malice lol

I don’t recommend plasma

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-taxes-money-skinner-finger-thing-gif-16245332

[tall torrent]

It’s the hardest weapon to perfect roll in the entire game

[fading yarrow]

Money

[tall torrent]

Damnation just pays more tho?

Why specifically malice

[fading yarrow]

Malice takes less time

[tall torrent]

Not much less

U can speedrun damnation too

[fading yarrow]

With the randoms I get? Throne no

[tall torrent]

U could solo the map

[orchid hemlock]

Normal damnation isn't very difficult

Even if it takes you 3 times longer to do a damnation run, it's still better

[fading yarrow]

For one, I'm having a hard time believing that speedrunning a Damnation map is as easy as y'all are making it out to be
For another, your math is wrong

[tall torrent]

What region are u in

I’m getting on in a bit

We could play

[fading yarrow]

If one Damnation takes me three times longer than one Malice, three Malices give me 2.3k more, not to mention the docket boost from three extra Gifts to scrap

[fading yarrow]

EST

[tall torrent]

Sure, u wanna vc?

[fading yarrow]

And I'd take you up on that but I'm about to log off to pray and sleep

[tall torrent]

Oh lol

[fading yarrow]

Quarter-past 11 pm lol

[tall torrent]

That’s fine

[viral nacelle]

Got to say goodnight to emprah before sleep 🙏

[fading yarrow]

In my big snug bed I lay;
And pray to Terra for xenos to slay

[fleet garden]

THE EMPEROR PROTECTS

[keen elk]

What armor type do the new infected mobians count as? Flak?

[broken terrace]

how do you build a shock maul?

[fleet garden]

they have some flak ye

[hardy marlin]

start with the handle so you can make sure the head fits

[broken terrace]

also is one mark of shock maul better than the other?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored head
Flak body
625 health

They are basically scab bruisers

But shorter

[sonic rain]

Up to 20% what?

[tall torrent]

Strength

4%, 5 stacks

[sonic rain]

oh nice

I might put that on now that I know what it does lol

[supple stag]

Fatshark moment

[tall torrent]

Rising heat + gets hot is overall the best blessing combination

[sonic rain]

[indigo edge]

What is the dump stat for the bolt pistol?

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[fading yarrow]

I've been too afraid to ask

[final zealot]

Is there a reason why exe stance/stealth vet builds are uncommon to see? Like is it just a case of voice being that good?

[fading yarrow]

What does Collateral do

[final zealot]

Group stagger iirc

Like enemies staggering when other enemies near them are shot or killed

You can check in the weapon inspect screen and see exactly what stats it modifies

[fading yarrow]

On one hand Voice is that good, but I don't think Stealth and Exec Stance Vets are uncommon at all; I see them all the time

[final zealot]

I dont really see them around all too often, at least compared to voice

Voice is good and all but I kinda hate running it lol

Every build uses it

Its like the basic bitch option

[hardy marlin]

the extra toughness (and refresh) is nice, though

[final zealot]

Yeah its def good

I just find it boring and mindless tbh

Exe stance is super fun when you can get nice stance chains going

[hardy marlin]

its the safest option, i feel that

[fading yarrow]

I use it for the simple reasons that it's simultaneously badass(voicelines, sound design) and viable

[final zealot]

Granted I like the EZ win button zealot stealth skill

[fading yarrow]

FOR THE GOLDEN FRAGGIN' THRONE

[frank basin]

Brace revolver with exe stance

High noon

[final zealot]

I dont like revolver with exe stance ngl

Slow reload and small clip makes it akward to keep stance up

[fading yarrow]

Revolver's reload is slow?

[final zealot]

Also revolver already does absurd damage anyways, stance with it doesnt really give it much it cant already do other than wallhacks

At least IIb revolver

The one by one reload kinda breaks my flow

I love the super fast auto weapons with exe though

[frank basin]

Columnus

Vrak mk something

[indigo edge]

I like using exe with Helbore, the extra damage lets it one shot stuff like ogryns. Also shock trooper means it's unlikely you'll have to reload.

[earnest bone]

Voice of Command is just that good (insane team + your own survivability + CC) and Stealth has insane utility

[indigo edge]

Also it kinda has a slow swap with melee so exe is nice

[fading yarrow]

I think I'm going to try to make an Exec Stance Boltgun build with all red damage nodes

[earnest bone]

leaving Exe stance as pure DPS tool

which you dont even really need tbh

[final zealot]

Fair enough, I think the wallhacks from it are fairly nice though, makes it easy to keep track of enemies in an often very chaotic game

[tall torrent]

VoC is super strong and has the best pathing node (grenade regen)
Also both Infil & exe have extra talent tax

[earnest bone]

-cough- -cough- you can use Spidey Sense mod which is also a wallhack basically

[final zealot]

Imagine cheating

[earnest bone]

Its approved

[final zealot]

True sons of the Emperor play vanilla

Anything less is heresy

[tall torrent]

Some mods are pretty useful and don’t rly feel like “cheating”

[earnest bone]

thats like using your fathers AK47, while your mom just got you a new railgun

[tall torrent]

Spidey sense and health bars are like the closest in terms of “cheating”
But idrc if people use it

[final zealot]

I feel a mod like that kinda tows the line, I personally would never use them myself

[earnest bone]

Yesterday i installed tree minigame mod for Hab Dreyko

but im still not sure how it works

will test it later

[final zealot]

I do think mods for qol are nice though, like removing annoying visual effects

[tall torrent]

U could use stuff like full auto, stims pickup icon, show remaining dodges, scoreboard

They’re pure QoL

[junior grail]

I use mods to make my rifle look like a pistol, we are not the same

[tall torrent]

FS is slowly integrating some mod features into the base game though

They added favouriting items this patch

[earnest bone]

i saw one guy deceiving himself calling his gun Meltapistol

[fading yarrow]

Imagine being able to use mods

[final zealot]

Quality of life it it was epic

[fading yarrow]

[junior grail]

In time the good mods will be implemented, like in Vermintide 2

[final zealot]

Is the hellbore basically Vet's sniper rifle(aside from revolver)

[earnest bone]

Selling multiple items is 2nd best QoL this patch

[final zealot]

Havent had a chance to mess around with one yet

[earnest bone]

after favourite items

[tall torrent]

Ya

[fading yarrow]

Helbore, Zarona, Combat Shotgun, Boltgun

[earnest bone]

it's still took like 5-6 real hours to sort inventory on both zealot + veteran

i also scrapped like 90% old weapons

[fading yarrow]

Took 5-6 to sort ur mom ayyyyyy

I'm sorry

[tall torrent]

I think
Add dodge bar, full auto option, legacy catalog in premium shop, stim color distinction in UI and scoreboard

Then I think QoL-wise we’re kinda set

[earnest bone]

Console players need full auto

and maybe keep swinging too

like if you hold the button

it keeps going light attack chain

[fading yarrow]

I would like Stims in the UI in general tbh, still can't see if teammates have one or not on console

[earnest bone]

not sure if it works like that right now

[tall torrent]

I think full auto is more useful than keep swinging

Keep swinging only works well for like

4 (?) weapons

[earnest bone]

rashad(antax), knife horde clear, chainsword 13, evis mk15, tactical axes (2 and 4), what else

[tall torrent]

Rashad & Antax
Knife 3
EV15
Tac axe 4

[fading yarrow]

Keep Swinging just sounds kinda bad ngl
If holding down your melee just makes you chain non-stop lights, how do you heavy?

[tall torrent]

That’s kinda it

Chainsword XIIIg use PA + L + H loop

[earnest bone]

lights on 13 are fine, compared to 4

[frank basin]

That healthbar tho just pop up allow me check and count number elite and specialist. Heck it let me see easily specially fire vfx blocking it.

[fading yarrow]

How can health bars be cheating?

[frank basin]

It act like tagging enemy location

I always miss the shot when fire blocking my visual

It make me decent targetting with healthbar

[fading yarrow]

Oh so the mod just has all enemy health bars visible all the time?

[frank basin]

You can turn on and off

Specific enemies

I turn off all trash mob melee and ranged

Only special and elite

I like see how much damage I dealt on a unit in game

[tall torrent]

U can see health bars of enemies across the map

And see which enemies are lower health

It’s like a soft ping of enemies that have been damaged

I don’t use it because it looks just messy on screen

[pastel yew]

ping recolour and better crosshair options also

[frank basin]

Environment can be dark hard to see, the health bar just help me to see on it, I could ping the enemy

[tall torrent]

Crosshair is fine

Just use rapid fire from interface settings

[pastel yew]

every enemy in this game is constantly

.3 seconds

away from being no longer alive

I don't think that's really all that big of a deal

[tall torrent]

The 18 maulers in C-I-VI aren’t gonna die in 0.3s

[pastel yew]

it does give you a lot of info you shouldnt have in terms of position though

[pastel yew]

no but 1 mauler is gonna die quickly, repeat 18 times

who's out here half damaging enemies

if it's aoe, they're all tagged

[shut talon]

any recommended melee for noob vets who've already maxed power sword?

[tall torrent]

Main benefit is seeing specialists that have escaped across the map and prioritize them

[frank basin]

Rashad combat axe the cat pfp want to say

[pastel yew]

I think I'd care more about the healthbars if

pinging already wasn't stupid

because even if health bars give me info, I can already hear where they are

[shut talon]

Thanks, gonna try it out

[pastel yew]

and then I can just spam ping and find em instantly

shoutout to all those people that don't rebind what ping they do

so they throw out 1000 "OVER THERE" pings

;-;

[frank basin]

Use brutal momentum on the axe try invest tier 1 blessing of that.

[worn flicker]

is there an up to date guide on the infanty lasguns?

[blissful cliff]

Literally me

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

lmao

[shut talon]

headtaker or shred for the 2nd blessing?

[pastel yew]

where my 3x stam curios, deadshot deadly accurate lasgun enjoyers

[frank basin]

Headtaker you can stagger one stack head taker push attack on dreg rager

[worn flicker]

awesome, thanks

[blissful cliff]

Rashad is busted

I don't think there's a single thing it can't do

[pastel yew]

-rep literally none of those blessings are

deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

Too bad that ghost is just better

[pastel yew]

SPACE + A/D

[tall torrent]

Yea sure

[pastel yew]

the real ghost was the dodge we made along the way

[tall torrent]

Too bad ghost is still just better

[frank basin]

Not everyone have skill to land shot while dodging

[tall torrent]

Deadly accurate changes no major breakpoints for IIb and VII

[pastel yew]

I guess that's fair

[tall torrent]

And for IX u just don’t need it

DA is better for vigilant Autoguns

[pastel yew]

also to make deadly accurate remotely fun to use you need something like deadshot

and a stam lean

which means way less defence

[tall torrent]

The problem is that headhunter is essentially free 20% crit chance and ghost is “tank every ranged enemy ever”

[frank basin]

Glass cannon single target vs 50 horde

[tall torrent]

DA’s damage increase is not enough to compete with those

[pastel yew]

I feel like ghost is

a lot more interesting for the laspistol

[tall torrent]

Too good

[pastel yew]

and a really boring pick for the rifle

[tall torrent]

It’s a really boring but really strong pick

[pastel yew]

eh game is powercrept to hell we can shave some

[tall torrent]

Because without ghost u have to waste dodges / run exhilarating takedown to deal with ranged enemies

[pastel yew]

efficiency off the top

[tall torrent]

And being forced to run exhilarating takedown is just

Not fun

[pastel yew]

I do wish more blessings were interesting though

or had some like

altering effect

I feel a lot of the blessing design is super tame

[tall torrent]

If infantry lasguns had better blessing pool

Maybe I’d drop headhunter for smth else

But ghost is way too much value to not use

[tall torrent]

Newer ones are a lot better

But older weapons need some love

[pastel yew]

yeah the bolt pistol has some interesting stuff

certainly beats the

40000 cleave blessings we've got

would be neat if benefits came with some trade offs though

so things could be preference as opposed to like... "this is objectively the best"

[tall torrent]

If execution was available on smth else

Execution’s idea is cool but it’s unfortunately placed onto a gun that wants to 1 tap stuff

[serene bough]

Rip mk IX

[woeful ibex]

Hows the new shotgun?

[serene bough]

You'll be useful someday

[pastel yew]

think it would be a lot cooler on melee weapons than ranged ones, it's design fits a lot better there

I think the idea was you could make more of a use of the shove and the explosion to proc it

[tall torrent]

It’d be so peak for autopistol

[pastel yew]

I do think it's fun and good for a quick swap with your melee weapon though it's bonus is just kinda mid

it is super thematic with shout though

[placid portal]

Quick question, the dueling sword blessing that refreshes dodge effectiveness is basically refreshing our dodge count?

[tall torrent]

[junior grail]

Autopistol still nerfed?

[placid portal]

Autopistol in the gutter bc columnus exists

[pastel yew]

it's probably up for a buff at some point

there were just other underperforming weapons that needed some qol

that are more popular

[placid portal]

Wonder how to help autopistol

[pastel yew]

I'd have been pretty sad if the autopistol got adjusted before the bolter or th

[pastel yew]

simple

put another one in your other hand

bap bap

[junior grail]

Two autopistols

[pastel yew]

that'd make it

interesting to me

high dps

piss accuracy

super close quarters weapon

[placid portal]

would be since first dual wield weapon

Cool factor fr

[pastel yew]

no dual wielding is also just so sad

in a 40k game

no bolt pistol chainsword, no double pistols, no nothin

[junior grail]

Doesn't need to double its ammo neither, just the raw dps would be fun

[placid portal]

Maybe dumb but having Run and gun in the weapon innately would be cool niche as a rush down gun

[pastel yew]

run and gun is a blessing I so desperately want to fit a playstyle better

[placid portal]

Really cool how that run and gun got so much buff

Less spread + more close range damage

[serene bough]

Probably less spread and less fall off

It still does decent damage to maniac but it's pitiful against so many other armor classes, ignoring the ciags for a moment

[placid portal]

Agripinaa brauto my beloved

Muh Space AK

https://tenor.com/view/monday-gif-19469890

Dunno what everyone uses for blessings bc I just go simple and pop Deathspitter and Killing Frenzy

[frank basin]

my space m249 the graia

[trim steppe]

deathspitter + KF / Stripped Down

[frank basin]

i use inspiring barrage and uhh i forgot

[placid portal]

Closest gun to ogyrn stubba

[placid portal]

Stripped down is based with duck and cover

[frank basin]

strippdown on double barrel

[trim steppe]

Infinite mobility is pretty cool and useful

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-e1m1-cacodemon-gif-19329571

[serene bough]

Remembering the days when stripped down gave sprint speed

[placid portal]

😔

[frank basin]

yeah

long ago

[placid portal]

Rest in pepperonis

Helbor experience:

• See enemy
• Aim down and charge
• Target is already dead
• Proceed to stab more enemies than blam them 😭😭😭

[frank basin]

blame?

blam?

[placid portal]

BLAM💥

[frank basin]

oh

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-darktide-stop-wait-cease-gif-2247250952699468598

[trim steppe]

I just can't like Helbores. I've tried, they just feel terrible to me

Good thing theres 30 other guns

[frank basin]

still use Helbores for my sniper loadout

[placid portal]

If only the kriegers colored the irons with green glow paint

Like the boltgun or boltpistols

The mk4, originally mk3 variany has a hoop so it's easier target acquisition

[fading yarrow]

Man
I want Commissar drip but I reaaaally don't want to spend 20 bucks for it lmao

[placid portal]

If only 😔

[fading yarrow]

I heard there's a Commissary update coming before the end of the year - dunno how true that is but hopefully there'll be something at least a little similar

[placid portal]

Kinda dumb burning 50 robux to not get some cool skins

[vapid nacelle]

I'm wondering what the worst possible vet build would be that's still technically maxed out

like full gold gear, all max level blessings and perks, all talent points spent but objectively the worst possible things all at once

[winter grove]

Invest in all left side

[vapid nacelle]

no go even futher

intentionally waste points on weak passives when possible

the worst weapons in the game

the most useless blessings and perks you can think of

but still technically every resource given to you was used to "maximum effectiveness"

[austere mica]

TB speedload auto pistol + haymaker smackdown mk3 knife

Or taxe

[vapid nacelle]

great

now we need a "good" build

and then we need to get 4 of them in the same match

[thorny gorge]

Ig what ever recon las or Rashad build?

[vapid nacelle]

which tactical axe is the worst of the worst

[austere mica]

Mk4(?)

I personally like taxe

[winter grove]

I wouldn't say taxes are bad

[winter grove]

The lmb spam one? Def not

[thorny gorge]

You want bad?

[austere mica]

You can build it really really bad

[thorny gorge]

Flesh tearer and lacerate

And no melee talents

[winter grove]

Taxes at least do damage

[thorny gorge]

Or crit

[vapid nacelle]

just whatever is the worst possible weapons

[austere mica]

That actually does something

[winter grove]

Armor Piercing too

[vapid nacelle]

I'm talking THE worst thing we can possibly run

[austere mica]

As opposed to haymaker smackdown

[vapid nacelle]

The MOST antisynergy or nothing burgers possible

[thorny gorge]

Best roll or worst roll on gear

[vapid nacelle]

Max tiers

So all t4 blessing, perks, all gold gear

all 30 talent points spent

but the WORST POSSIBLE decisions with it

all at once

[thorny gorge]

Yea but what dumpbstat

Damage?

[vapid nacelle]

depends on what the weapons are

probably

[thorny gorge]

You know what

Ill build whatever you guys come up witj

[placid portal]

The og knife would be the worst no?

[thorny gorge]

Then we do auric maelstrom

[vapid nacelle]

with 4 of them

[thorny gorge]

[placid portal]

Or the latrine shovel

[vapid nacelle]

isn't the shovel like actually ok though even unboosted

like it's not s tier but it's.. serviceable

unmodified knife though

[thorny gorge]

Power sword with out power cycle

[placid portal]

Ok then the mk3 knife

[dark echo]

Should I change anything on this plasma gun?

[placid portal]

Still good at chopping enemies no?

[thorny gorge]

Bricked

Dismantle

Try again

[placid portal]

So rising heat is the new blaze away?

[thorny gorge]

No lmao

[radiant raptor]

Absolutely not lol

[dark echo]

You get to keep the damage at max heat venting which is nice

[thorny gorge]

U get one charged attack

[placid portal]

Enough to not take unarmored for dreg gooner?

[vapid nacelle]

objectively which Blessing is the "worst" on a curio

[dark echo]

Wounds

No contest

[vapid nacelle]

bet

[thorny gorge]

Ordos xp and grim res for the minors

We gonna make bank

[vapid nacelle]

how'd I do

[dark echo]

XP is bis when you cap your dockets because its the best way to make number go up

[thorny gorge]

Perfect

[trim steppe]

Hey don't shit on +ordos, I run that non-stop. Ordos were and probably still are the bottleneck

[thorny gorge]

Although haymaker might be too good

[vapid nacelle]

OOH i've got it

[placid portal]

It's disgusting and horrible

It's amazing

[vapid nacelle]

increased damage on bleeding targets

with no bleeding.

[thorny gorge]

Yes

[placid portal]

God mercy killer + smackdown

[vapid nacelle]

now it's time for the "build"

[thorny gorge]

Good one?

[vapid nacelle]

worst possible.

[thorny gorge]

Ah

[vapid nacelle]

have to start somewhere here

what's the worst of this

[thorny gorge]

Oh hang on

[trim steppe]

top left

[thorny gorge]

Longshot

[trim steppe]

middle and right are great

[placid portal]

Dont take any toughness recovery

[thorny gorge]

Take smokes?

[vapid nacelle]

Volley Adept?

[thorny gorge]

Yea

[vapid nacelle]

am I wasting points well enough

[placid portal]

Infiltrate with overwatch because 60 second cooldown

[thorny gorge]

taake smokes

[vapid nacelle]

bet

[placid portal]

Then go to ammo scav to waste moar points

[vapid nacelle]

10% melee is forced

[thorny gorge]

Go straight down

But dont ake serrated

[vapid nacelle]

we have to go with engagement

[thorny gorge]

Then go over to exe

[vapid nacelle]

we can't trigger mercy killer

[thorny gorge]

That works

[thorny gorge]

Killzone cuz auric?

[dark echo]

Fatshark needs to radically buff kraks and rework smokes

[vapid nacelle]

is opening salvo not weaker than killzone

[dark echo]

Shredders are just too good to ever not take on maelstrom

[vapid nacelle]

oh wait

but it's a shredder autopistol

which isn't good at range

[thorny gorge]

Yee

[placid portal]

Krak users when more than 3 bulwarks spawn

[vapid nacelle]

maybe I should take both

[thorny gorge]

[frank basin]

They nerf pinning fire on shredder autopistol

[vapid nacelle]

they're both objectively near useless for this "build"

[thorny gorge]

Waste em

[vapid nacelle]

twinned blast too

gotta get that 20% double smoke

[frank basin]

I think not

[thorny gorge]

Take all the nade perks

Timmy would want àllot of smokes

[frank basin]

Stockpile demolition

[vapid nacelle]

like this?

[frank basin]

What are you trying do for?

[trim steppe]

Here's my submission for most cursed build

[frank basin]

Build for auric?

[thorny gorge]

Take field improv only cuz it refills nades

[vapid nacelle]

the worst possible build

literally the WORST

possible

things

you can come up with

[placid portal]

Worst build possible

[vapid nacelle]

but it has to be technically "maxed out"

it has to technically count as a build

[austere mica]

Grenade regen is and agile engagement are good

[vapid nacelle]

gold weapons, fully upgraded

[thorny gorge]

It may heal but Timmy would take for the nade refill

[vapid nacelle]

t4 perks blessings

[frank basin]

Take infiltration

No support just self benefit

[placid portal]

• overwatch

60 second cooldown is an eternity

[thorny gorge]

[vapid nacelle]

is executioner stance or stealth more useless for dud 3 knife + dud autopistol

[thorny gorge]

Exe

[placid portal]

Stealth is bc exe buffs shredder imo

[thorny gorge]

Infil lets you have a break

[frank basin]

You’re making worse build not good build?

[trim steppe]

Oh weird my exec stance pick didn't select. This more cursed

[placid portal]

Stealth only makes you get closer but no damage

[frank basin]

That is for worse build

[vapid nacelle]

I'll go stealth + overwatch

but no buffs

[thorny gorge]

But it lets you get away

[frank basin]

Free jail out card

For solo only

[vapid nacelle]

not that you're gonna be able to do anything with that escape card

[thorny gorge]

It does dump agro

[placid portal]

My point

[thorny gorge]

[vapid nacelle]

actually this is a good idea

it forces enemies to your teammates

[placid portal]

Dumps it but doesnt do much bc you have nothing to back it up

[vapid nacelle]

let's do it

[thorny gorge]

[frank basin]

Low profile

[placid portal]

No low profile

[vapid nacelle]

I can't tell if tihs is a good idea or a bad idea

[frank basin]

Low profile make you 90% less threat

[thorny gorge]

Too safe

[placid portal]

The 50÷ toughness resist

[vapid nacelle]

it's good in the sense that they won't target you but bad in the sense that it forces them to target your team more

and we want bad

[frank basin]

You want that

[thorny gorge]

Take it

[frank basin]

Take low profile

[vapid nacelle]

bet

[thorny gorge]

How many points left?

[trim steppe]

Yes but if you die then its worse AND they target your team more anyway

[thorny gorge]

[frank basin]

Make your teammate suffer more

[vapid nacelle]

alright I'm here

[frank basin]

No keystone

That’s fine

[vapid nacelle]

what do we waste these last two points on

[trim steppe]

Take supression immunity because autopistol

[placid portal]

Dont go right, those are actually good

[trim steppe]

and born leader because you have no toughness regen

[thorny gorge]

Dead shot

[placid portal]

[thorny gorge]

It actively with fuck this build

[frank basin]

Duck and dive

[vapid nacelle]

done.

[thorny gorge]

[vapid nacelle]

and now

[thorny gorge]

Ight lads

We need to build this

[trim steppe]

4 vets with this build in an auric maelstrom

[thorny gorge]

Can gib link?

[vapid nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d31a6d7-2a0b-4c78-bd8c-a3452c62e300/chad-2

[frank basin]

You want a go?

[restive rock]

This is what I run normally

[placid portal]

Wait swap 50% suppression for +1 stamina

[thorny gorge]

That helps dead shot

[placid portal]

Fine covering fire

[vapid nacelle]

there isnt a +1 stamina available i think

or am i missing it

[trim steppe]

stam is good, dont take it

[shut talon]

node in the top middle

[placid portal]

Covering fire is still broken right?

[vapid nacelle]

can't reach

[trim steppe]

In what way

[verbal burrow]

Good morning lads

[shut talon]

ah i see the context now

[vapid nacelle]

so is it done

[placid portal]

How it doesnt apply the buffs/regen correctly

[vapid nacelle]

have we made the worst possible complete veteran build in darktide history

[thorny gorge]

les go

bad knife

[cunning birch]

managed to roll my plasma just then to 😄

[trim steppe]

Not sure, even if it works right its a bad talent so I never take it

[thorny gorge]

AAAAAAAAAA

[placid portal]

Spec to crit damage and poxwalker

[vapid nacelle]

block efficiency sprint efficiency

[trim steppe]

Daaaaaaaaamn thats nice

[placid portal]

Too good since defensive

[frank basin]

Weak spot damage

[placid portal]

Poxwalker bc they already die fast

[cunning birch]

defs a feelsgood moment haha

[trim steppe]

No 381 scrap it

[cunning birch]

[verbal burrow]

Blessings and perks are great but it is missing the 80% thermal resistance imo

[placid portal]

Weakspot damage is too consistent should be crit damage

[frank basin]

Become veteran burster

[thorny gorge]

dont need 80 therm for the shot bp

[frank basin]

Blow yourself up

[verbal burrow]

I agree that it is splitting hairs and that the gun will serve you well

[placid portal]

Should have the game pause the mission to promt a d6 to roll to check if you blow up

[trim steppe]

He got a literal perfect roll, 69% is the effective best TR roll

At least according to the eggheads on here, I just kill stuff

[vapid nacelle]

Now it's time to consult the other class chats and make the worst possible builds for the other 3 classes

[frank basin]

Start the psyker

[placid portal]

Kinda hard to make ogryn worst

[verbal burrow]

Mine is only slightly different in the sense that I run gloryhunter as I have collected every source of +toughness capacity, +toughness resistance, +toughness gain and +toughness sharing

[frank basin]

Smite and scierer gaze

[placid portal]

Empra's chosen Forrest Gump is too OP

[verbal burrow]

It is how I play medic

[thorny gorge]

would this work?

[verbal burrow]

I would not accept Stopping Power under 80%

[trim steppe]

No way, you finally got your godroll? Big grats dude

[thorny gorge]

how does charge rate affect it?

[verbal burrow]

How fast you charge the heavy attack I never use

[austere mica]

It also effects primary fire

[thorny gorge]

[verbal burrow]

In what way do you suppose it does?

[austere mica]

It says it does

Plasma has a delay before it fires no matter what

[placid portal]

It had a bug how it lowered damage of uncharged shot

[glacial marlin]

Do you think we will get more ranged weapon buffs so far I feel the revolver is the best weapon on vet. I like the bolt Pistol but it's just weaker than revolver.

[austere mica]

Changes it from 1-.5 seconds

(.5 is the mythical 100% roll)

[fiery moss]

How's the heavy sword for horde clear?

[thorny gorge]

is that the 71 charge rate?

[placid portal]

Perfect strike + horizontal sweep

[fiery moss]

nice. dump stat?

[austere mica]

Bromentum weapon, guess

Decapitate 4 shotgunners a swing

[placid portal]

But claw is my brother, parry the ragers, kill them all

[austere mica]

Dump defenses, run headtaker Deathblow and flak+ armor other than carapace

It’s Cara adm is terrible

[fiery moss]

tysm 🙂

[austere mica]

I prefer mk7 but mk9 is also good

[placid portal]

Dueling sword on vet to make Winged hussar vet?

[austere mica]

It’s probably better I just hate block cancel singletarget

[tall torrent]

Congrats

[tall torrent]

Yea 5M dockets and one bankruptcy later

[fiery moss]

lmao

[verbal burrow]

I do wonder

If you're running Rising Heat and Gets Hot, would you not want the Thermal Resistance to be as low as possible so it cooks to 99% asap?

On paper that sounds logical

[verbal burrow]

Condolences to your wallet

[tall torrent]

No because 69% thermal resist allows u to fire 8 shots continuously instead of 7

That’s one more dead trapper/flamer/bomber/gunner before u have to vent

[tame lodge]

My kin on the Imperium
If you compare every weapon to the Zarona revolver you'll notice that every weapon is bad
Don't

In fact
Compare every weapon with the Shredder Auto Pistol

[glacial marlin]

I guess. But I really like revolvers so I used revolvers a lot. Now all the others just feel meh cause I like to target elites and specials. For the toughness regen for my squad.

[blissful cliff]

I mean you don't HAVE to be the one murking all the elites, there's other ways to be just as effective even if you aren't the one killing them

I quite like the Bolt Pistol, it's not as strong as the revolver but it certainly cc's hordes with lethal proximity very well

And it's far more efficient at dealing with ranged elites

[austere mica]

It also has a funny crusher breakpoint

Totally impractical

[blissful cliff]

The buff to nades is also nice

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iPQYBq3uJm0BBJAHf?invite=cr-MSxacXcsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Really liking the boltgun for the "anti-special" role

[glacial marlin]

I don't like the draw speed on Bolt gun.

[faint beacon]

One Motion:

[fleet garden]

its there for a reason

[verbal burrow]

Oh I don't actually full vent, I just tap the LMB to vent just enough for the next 2 shots. I want it as close to 100% overheat as possible for the blessings to take maximum effect

[verbal burrow]

gotta plan ahead based on the audio queues

[tall torrent]

Well, going below 69% thermal resist doesn’t really make u reach max heat faster

[verbal burrow]

Mood

[tall torrent]

Takes the same amount of shots to reach 91% heat

Which is max stacks of gets hot & rising heat

[verbal burrow]

the goldilocks zone

[tall torrent]

Difference is, with 69% thermal resist, you still get 1 more shot

[verbal burrow]

I pre-cook it to near 100% before going around the corner actually

[tall torrent]

That’s just purposefully lowering ur combat dps

[verbal burrow]

It is however putting every shot in the perfection region of gets hot and rising heat

realistically I only do that if I know there's gonna be a crusher patrol down a narrow corridor tho, otherwise I don't plan that far ahead

[tall torrent]

U get to fire once before u vent at 91% heat

[verbal burrow]

No one said fucking around with gets hot and rising heat was practical but it sure is funny

[shut talon]

is there a more practical pair of blessings for plasma?

[tall torrent]

Yea, rising heat + gets hot

[shut talon]

thanks ser

[nocturne mulch]

God I love reading the balance takes on Reddit and Discord. Y'all are hilarious, keep doing the Emperor's work.

[tall torrent]

What did people say this time

[tame lodge]

Welp done with iLas mastery

Back to not using them

Which sucks because they have the best flashlight for running

[split grove]

what's a nice gun to pair with knife

[storm pine]

plasma

[split grove]

aite

whats a not plasma gun to pair with the knife

[storm pine]

revolver

or bolt pistol

[split grove]

3rd option?

ok i'll work with that

[tame lodge]

Double Barrel

[storm pine]

double barrel is just close range revolver

[split grove]

just looking for guns to max

but i already maxed those 2

[nocturne mulch]

Just wondering did anyone get the twitch drop rewards this time?

Account is linked and in twitch it says the rewards are claimed but nothing in game.

[split grove]

dumpstat for plasma?

and bpistol

[nocturne mulch]

Any gun works fine with knife on vet, knife is really strong. Do you have a particular preference for ranged weapon?

[split grove]

nah it's fine i'll pick bpistol cos i havent levelled it

i'm farming for plasma and bpistol stats rn

[nocturne mulch]

Do you like weapon specialist?

[supple stag]

Laspistol is pretty nice

[split grove]

i just need the dumpstats for the weapons

i'm gonna build plasma or bpistol

[nocturne mulch]

Collateral I would say

Or reload speed if you're comfortable being in melee the whole time to abuse weapon specialist free reload

Imo the only stats that matter on bpistol are damage and mobility

[earnest bone]

Recon lasgun XII/XIV, Columbus XV IAG also known now as Vraks V, Brauto also works

[split grove]

fir okasna dumpstat?

[indigo edge]

Bolt Pistol dump stat is Collateral (want 60 in it)

Plasma is weird, with no real dump stat, the ideal stats are 80 in everything except 71 charge rate and 69 thermal resist (Important break points for both).

[vapid nacelle]

what are those break points out of curiosity? I haven't used plasma gun since I first got the game

[shut talon]

dang I literally just missed those break points with 70 CR

[blissful cliff]

Any good iAG mark V builds that use stealth?

Trying to make one but i'm feeling starved for points lol

[placid portal]

Boltgun with enough collateral to open them bulwarks up and feed them with some more bolts

God I love boltgun

[somber axle]

69 thermal resist gives you one extra shot before heat cap and 71 charge rate gives you like .05 faster shots when spamming uncharged shots I think?

it might be a bit faster but like

the difference between 60% charge rate and 80% charge rate is 0.1 iirc

so it's not a massive difference but if you want to optimize hardcore it's there to chase the magic percentage

[vapid nacelle]

interesting

[somber axle]

oh wait sorry

0.1 seconds

not 1.0 seconds

it's very minor as far as the difference goes

like firing your shots as fast as you can with 69% thermal resist you get all 8 shots off a few seconds faster to clean elites/specials better

[vapid nacelle]

I mean hey I like my perfect numbers so I'll remember this lol

[somber axle]

it can still make the difference in a very intense moment tho

[vapid nacelle]

whenever I get over my crippling laspistol addiction I'll make sure to give it a shot

[somber axle]

the hard part is rolling a Plasma with 80 Damage, 80 Stopping Power, 80 Ammo, 71% Charge and 69% Thermal Resist

[vapid nacelle]

yeah I figured

someone earlier mentioned being 1.1m dockets into attempting it lol

[somber axle]

the bright side is that pretty much everything else is so easy to roll perfectly now that you'll probably have the extra dockets to throw away hunting it

[final hamlet]

Is it possible to get all stats to 80?

[vapid nacelle]

nope

[somber axle]

no

[vapid nacelle]

the most total stats you can get is 380

[somber axle]

at best you can do 4 stats at 80 and 1 stat at 60

and most weapons just dump mobility or collateral to get 80 in everything else

Plasma is just a weird case

[vapid nacelle]

is it the only weird case in the game?

or is there another weapon with something like it

[somber axle]

tbh I'm surprised they don't just dump ammo to 70% instead

[ocean heron]

i have recently recognized the usefulness of the plasma gun

[somber axle]

it's like 127/127 ammo at 70% vs 135/135 ammo at 80%

uncharged shots cost 3 ammo per shot

you're giving up like 3 shots

for perfect speed charge

[vapid nacelle]

6

I think

5 or 6

[somber axle]

charged shots are 9 ammo so if you happen you be one of the Vets who likes charged shots the ammo difference matters even less

[vapid nacelle]

factoring in reserve I mean

[ocean heron]

which is why it has allowed me to get insanely close to getting make every shot count

[somber axle]

oh wait yeah you're right LOL

it still feels pretty insignificant tbh

[ocean heron]

(still one wrinkly bitch of a penance tho)

[vapid nacelle]

Idk I'm not using plasma gun for a while still

Laspistol is my life

[somber axle]

feels easier to just get the full 1.0 charge speed at 80% leave ammo at 71% and put thermal resist at 69%

outside of no ammo maels do those 6 shots even matter

[ocean heron]

nice

[somber axle]

it's still awkward because you're rolling 2 stats at very specific numbers though

so it's not any easier

[somber axle]

I did mine with a goofy low ammo percent lawbringer shotgun (now named zarona shotgun) originally

iirc any pellet hitting any enemy counts as a hit and not a miss

[obsidian plover]

Or just dump your ammo to 60

EZ

[somber axle]

I got it accidentally just shooting into hordes at the end of a mission for fun since I was down to less than a handful of shots

[ocean heron]

that's mainly what i do when i have a small excess

[somber axle]

I just really like the Lawbringer/Zarona Shotgun wide horizontal special shot with Manstopper/Scattershot

it's just so fun evaporating hordes

[ocean heron]

just sit outside the valkerie and pew pew mfs who peek their heads out

[somber axle]

one of the very few guns I don't feel dumb shooting at poxwalkers

[vapid nacelle]

I've had an issue where my dodge key also forced me to slide at the same time

[ocean heron]

if you want to evaporate hordes, get the agrippinna infantry

[vapid nacelle]

I finally found a way to just like reset every input key though and now I can dodge and not struggle to headshot things in melee range because my vet's a short king

[somber axle]

I have and it has a much slower and far more ammo costly horde clear vs Zarona/Lawbringer Shotgun

it's still fun though

but not the instant "everything is a red mist" effect that the shotgun has

in a single shot

[placid portal]

Manstopper + crit lawbringer buckshot shotgun

[ocean heron]

well i run specialist so all i have to do is underhand a frag with my knife out and then BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

[somber axle]

magdumping into a horde feels a little less silly on the Recon Mk XIV with the cleave + Shock Trooper and crit

but autogun visual/audio feels really good for magdumping

Boltgun is my fav for magdumps but I feel immensely guilty even thinking about magdumping a horde with it

Magdumping bosses with Boltgun though

[frail skiff]

Is it just me or could the Brauto guns could use a buff?

[somber axle]

Boltpistol Lethal Proximity Shredder Frag Grenades are hilarious

[ocean heron]

as my bio says, BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM C L I S S S S

and it's way more fun with speed stim

[somber axle]

Recon Mk XII 1200 RPM with celerity stim and weapon specialist ranged attack speed active is the best

fastest attack speed in the game

and with good crit chance it doesn't drink through the ammo nearly as fast as it seems it should

[ocean heron]

speaking of frags, shout+underhand frag can evaporate hordes

[frail skiff]

Don't forget that if you use infiltrate, underhanding grenades will not break stealth

[ocean heron]

that too

it's so funny to just infiltrate and walk up to some gunners,under hand a frag and run away

[somber axle]

Manstopper shotguns are so goofy LMFAO

[ocean heron]

do a circle of them and just underhand a frag

[frail skiff]

Or if you use a krak, just slink up to a crusher and just slap it on his ass

[somber axle]

and on Zealot too

[frail skiff]

Wait, the throwing dagger pierces?

[ocean heron]

THEY GOT FUCKING VAPORISED BY THE KNIFE 😭

[somber axle]

Zealot throwing knife is affected by Manstopper blessing on shotgun

it's so funny LMFAO

[frail skiff]

wtf?

That's insane

[ocean heron]

IT'S LIKE THEY GOT SUCKED INTO A BLACK HOLE 😭 😭 😭

[somber axle]

tbh I don't play Zealot much so if it was changed I'm not aware of it but it could do that and I think it still does

[frail skiff]

I just made a zealot the other day and have been using daggers for funny kills

[placid portal]

50m knife counter snipe?

[frail skiff]

Done

[ocean heron]

i once killed a sniper without intending to

[placid portal]

I used the sniper to kill the sniper

[somber axle]

FUNNY KILLS YOU SAY?

[placid portal]

Love enemy friendly fire

[frail skiff]

I did the same thing with Graia BRauto gun. I unloaded into a horde and a sniper was trying to cross the middle of it and it got collateraled

[ocean heron]

i was waiting in an elevator and heard a hound spawn so i threw a knife at the door in front of me and it got the sniper

[verbal burrow]

To whomever was playing the shout vet with the DOW1 Commissar Soundboard,
Excellent

[somber axle]

I should play Zealot more but I'm too in love with Vet and Psyker

[frail skiff]

The best ones are when you miss the a target and end up braining a trapper that just came around a corner with the throwing knife

[ocean heron]

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED

[frail skiff]

"The emperor guided that one."

[verbal burrow]

I've now refurbished my Veteran and Psyker, and am putting the final touches on my Ogryn, then I will also start on a Zealot

[somber axle]

are you going for the 6th penance armour

it looks really nice on Vet

I'm not a fan of the look on Psyker and it's also kinda eh on Zealot

[frail skiff]

Which armor, cause I only have 3 penences left

[ocean heron]

I WAS TRYING TO KILL A HOUND BUT SOME POOR SNIPER GOT A PIECE OF BLESSED STEEL TO THE HEAD

[somber axle]

this

[placid portal]

Blue armor 😎

[frail skiff]

I use that armor sans the helmet on my Zealot

[somber axle]

the mask looks neat too

kinda wish we could get the metal mask + helmet combo

[ocean heron]

BLUE ARMOR

BOTTOM TEXT

[placid portal]

I wish we can wear the trench raider goggles

[cold berry]

Mandolorian

[frail skiff]

That would make too much sense and the game would break

[somber axle]

I remember originally the dataminers found Ogryn helmets for the 6th set that were both helmet and mask so people were excited

and then we just got the helmets and masks separate and the Ogryn combo was never released

feels like it's being kept in reserve for later penance rewards as updates expand things

we got a few new penance rewards with unlocked and loaded

[verbal burrow]

SIGMAR BLESS THIS SHOT

[somber axle]

look at how AMAZING this is

maybe one day we'll get it

[ocean heron]

it's heresy that we didn't get this

[restive rock]

I wanna do that

Closest thing to a SoB I think

[worn flicker]

is there any way to get high uptime on vet stealth?

[ocean heron]

if it was red and could be equipped on vet then irischdarf would be rocking that techpriest drip 24/7/365

[worn flicker]

seems like the best you can do is reduce CD with specialist kills?

[somber axle]

get Overwatch node, ability cooldown perks on all curios and use with tactical awareness
if you really want to double down hunt for a concentration/CD stim

oh and low profile for "stealth" outside of invisibility too

[ocean heron]

low profile is fucking goated

[frail skiff]

Just don't forget that you will essentially dump all agro on your entire team. So try to contribute with underhanded frags

[ocean heron]

or charged helbore, plasma gun, revolver, basically anything that deals a shitton of damage

[frail skiff]

Yeah I use smoke and infiltrate on my helbore build

[dire lagoon]

Ability cooldown curiou only works in coherency?

[worn flicker]

hmm does smoke just prevent ranged attack targetting?

[frail skiff]

No, they work at all times

[thorny gorge]

yea

[frail skiff]

It's like a more spammable psyker bubble

It will cause most ranged enemies to run into melee range

Or cause some to fire into the smoke at your last known position

[hollow turtle]

Huh... An OG Tiberian Sun pfp reference... Noice.

https://tenor.com/view/kane-kane-lives-nod-brotherhood-of-nod-you-can't-kill-the-messiah-gif-846595455736174124

[frail skiff]

Listen to the sounds of your own extinction, human

[ocean heron]

anyways i'm gonna actually play darktide now

[hollow turtle]

No, stay here. Let the hive rot further. It pleases the plaguefather.

[frail skiff]

Could round up everyone and have an all guardsmen party aboard the Occurence Border Mourningstar

[deft crystal]

iimagine beiing a normal joe

and u just see 4 people slaughteriing thhere way through from a distance

[frail skiff]

Considering the fact that we're Ordo hereticus moonlighting as Ordo Malieus whenever a daemon shows up

[placid portal]

Hopefully the silver cavalier doesn't show up

[somber axle]

They work always. Toughness Regen perks are bad on curios for Vet because they only affect coherence toughness regen, not toughness regen from kills or talents

[dire lagoon]

yeah I see

I actually don't run toughness regen or cooldown on any of my builds for any class

I feel like acess to cooldown reductions are already enough in talent trees

[frail skiff]

They should change it to work like a discount version of Tunnel Vision

Using this x3

[thorny gorge]

which ablity are you using?

[frail skiff]

Shout mostly

[thorny gorge]

it shaves of 3.6 secs

maybe try hp

and one sniper dmg

if you have supression immune

[placid portal]

So 4 specials and 3 seconds to get another shout

[thorny gorge]

[safe sage]

does this do what i think it does?

does a melee weapon blessing give my ranged weapon more stagger?

[frail skiff]

I don't think so

The only blessing that I've seen affect other weapons is the bolt pistol one that will affect grenade splash

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-write-that-down-xox-gif-8186437

[frail skiff]

Yeah, turns frags with grenade tinkerer into pocket nukes that will delete hordes instantly

[cold berry]

is this a bug?

[safe sage]

it still says increase ranged stagger

[frail skiff]

I honestly don't know

I don't use Shock Maul

[placid portal]

Probs bc it was from a ranged weapon blessing

[frail skiff]

I use Rashad axe for everything

[jovial sky]

What blessings and perks do people run on shovel? I am currently running mark 1. But, also curious whether that is the right call.

[shut talon]

can i just say the vet penances are very annoying

[dire lagoon]

I think it's kind of like how some weapon blessings on zealot can affect throwing knife, something similar.

[frail skiff]

Which ones you stuck on?

Cause all I have left is Killshot Ready and Adept Assassin

[shut talon]

killshot ready and make every shot count

everything else has some progress in it

[jovial sky]

Make every shot count. Just grab sth like the revolver and empty it on a heresy mission and then just melee the rest of the mission ezpz

[shut talon]

then again, psyker has the push one, and zealot has the kill 40 stunned by grenades

[jovial sky]

Just use it to kill some specialists and elites.

And a heresy mission is pretty ezpz with just melee for most of it.

[shut talon]

right, I keep forgetting i don't need to empty it in the last room or so

[frail skiff]

Killshot Ready isn't too bad. I've used it with a Brauto gun and if you stand still and fire into a horde at head level you usually get like 15-40 kills in a single mag

[shut talon]

I'll try to get a decent one then. Much thanks

[frail skiff]

I have a particular fondness for the Graia since max ammo is high and the mag goes up to 74

I seldom go below 500 ammo since scav gives you 10 ammo per kill

on proc

[blissful cliff]

How good is the heavy sword on vet?

[frail skiff]

Haven't used it

[woven field]

decent but you need the 10% haste talent

otherwise you'll be swinging through molasses

[frail skiff]

Rashad Combat Axe is my beloved

[blissful cliff]

Rashad is making the game way too easy lmao

[woven field]

Heavy Sword can potentially hit harder on Vet than Zealot due to Vet's rending and melee damage nodes/talents

[frail skiff]

It lets me make silly builds that have no right to work

[frail skiff]

Here, borrow my M249

[blissful cliff]

LOL wtf is that?!

[restive rock]

What is heavy sword for? I haven’t used it so long but I remember not doing well with it

[frail skiff]

Weapon customization mod

[woven field]

Heavy Sword is quite literally anti everything non carapace

[frail skiff]

Rashash is just anti-everything

[blissful cliff]

Carapace is it's only weakness i've noted

Yea Rashad is just busted

[woven field]

and even then Carapace can get chunked at Rashad levels if you have decent talents/nodes

[blissful cliff]

I think the heavy sword needs to be built upon

With some work it could be a poor man's rashad lol

[frail skiff]

Rashad is good without melee investment. Rashad is godlike with investment

Like, it is so good it is actually making me worse if I use something like a power sword

[blissful cliff]

I haven't used the psword since Power Cycler became a blessing lmao

[frail skiff]

I want to like it, but the crappy dodges and having to charge it up every 3-4 swings just makes it feel clunky

I'd rather use a chainsword

[blissful cliff]

I feel like the psword just needs something else, like maybe energized heavies and normal lights or something like that

Just a way to make the little loop of charging it less clunky feeling

[frail skiff]

Maybe decrease the animation time for charging it up with attack speed or something

[blissful cliff]

Or make it not swing dependent but just timed

10s of charge time

go nuts

[frail skiff]

That would be a bit extreme

[blissful cliff]

5s of charge time? lmao

[frail skiff]

10s It would make it more busted than when it was during beta

[blissful cliff]

Yea but

my argument

Rashad is just as busted WITHOUT needing to handle a charge gimmick

[frail skiff]

True

[blissful cliff]

AND it doesn't nuke your mobility

[obsidian plover]

You don't need to charge but you will need those headtaker stacks

To barely match the damage

[frail skiff]

Not hard with Bromentum

[vestal canyon]

I really want someone to put me on to using axes. I have to be ignorant about something with them because I see good players do great with them. What my thinking is is that if i want mobility id use a knife, if I want armor damage id use a chain weapon or shovel. Is there any straight up advantage to using a tac axe over a knife or a combat axe over a chain weapon? I really wanna use them but when I do I just feel like Im missing something

[frail skiff]

Rashad won't lock you in place like a chain weapon will

[blissful cliff]

I can't speak on Tac Axes too well, i don't use them

[deft crystal]

neither will power sword

[blissful cliff]

According to others, it's in a weird spot with not having as much mobility as a knife or dmg as a combat axe

But as FOR combat axes

They delete hordes much faster than chain weapons, and deal with armor much quicker than chain weapons

As for mobility, with weapon specialist, the mobility isn't that bad at all

[frail skiff]

Yeah, but Weapon Spec will also push Rashad even further

[blissful cliff]

Now keep in mind, by mobility i mean dodge distance, not sprint heavy attack shennanigans

[vestal canyon]

Whats a good setup for either a tac axe or combat axe? I think ive actually used every weapon in the game for over a thousand hours now but ive never really gotten why people use the axes

[frail skiff]

Forgot I had a reply queued

[frail skiff]

Like stat spread?

[obsidian plover]

PS w/ slaughterer will do the thing even better

[vestal canyon]

More so blessings and perks for dealing with things

[obsidian plover]

You are not gonna use a PS this patch bcoz the bug is not fixed

[vestal canyon]

Ive just sort of completely overlooked them

[vestal canyon]

What about a tac axe?