veteran-class

[shell python]

i always use VoC and im in the heat of it with a chainsword when im not pulling back to lance special enemies

[thorny gorge]

who wasnt having good results with psword?

[shell python]

me, odds are im shit though

[thorny gorge]

make sure you have pwer cycler

[shell python]

huh

[thorny gorge]

other wise you only get one charged attack

[earnest bone]

Team: don't go, there's gunners!
Me: OH YES RECIPR STACKS YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[stray nebula]

I always try my best to be respectful and act in good faith, but I won't ignore someone who becomes hostile to me when I do everything in my power to avoid that.

[verbal burrow]

I for one, was not having a good time with power sword when this game launched

[shell python]

oh yeah i forgot i had my psword like

not upgraded

[somber axle]

Also I should warn that Deadshot is a very risky playstyle

Especially with automatics like the Recons

You do not get the crit bonus or sway reduction if your Stam is empty

[shell python]

i fuck heavy with deadshot when im using a bolter or plasma gun

think itd be good with an infantry lasgun?

[somber axle]

And it drains stamina while ADSing and drains more stamina for every shot fired

[verbal burrow]

I work the same way so I understand that, but I do it in real life. It's not worth doing it because someone has a problem with your build

[somber axle]

It will kill you if you need to swap melee to shove, push attack, etc. and you just spent all your Stam shooting

[shell python]

id imagine, though, deadshot reduces the versatility of the infantry lasgun

[somber axle]

It needs either Target Down, Tunnel Vision or Duck and Dive to use with any decent uptime

[shell python]

forces it into being a sniper instead of a hybrid sniper/horde clearer

seriously though i love the starting model of infantry lasgun

perfect balance between firerate, ammo and damage

[somber axle]

Deadshot is bugged and doesn't work with Plasma sadly. It has been since launch afaik. It seems intentional that it doesn't work with it at this point

[shell python]

oh. fuck.

[somber axle]

It works with Boltgun though!

[stray nebula]

This may be a virtual space, but the people speaking here are just as real. Also, it wasn't someone having an issue with my build, it was me asking for a recommendation for a build.

[somber axle]

I use Deadshot often with Infantry Lasguns and Helbores

[shell python]

ooooo deadshot would be great with the helbore

[somber axle]

It's much easier to control the stamina loss with semi-automatic weapons

[verbal burrow]

Not your fault they like that tho. What kinda build are you wanting to make?

[shell python]

also is there like, any case where the helbore is a horde clearer?

[midnight totem]

No

[verbal burrow]

Public service announcement: Deadshot does not work if you are out of stam

so chaining charged hits with helbore is no

[stray nebula]

I appreciate you wanting to help, but my original question has been answered in detail thanks to Sneaky Cat.

[somber axle]

I mean kiiiinda? If an ally is holding a crowd in front of you or a horde is coming down a hallway/through a choke and you have space the cleave can let you clean up the horde surprisingly fast. But the new Hotshot blessing gives +50% cleave and can be funny because it also applies to the bayonet

[shell python]

excuse me what

[somber axle]

It sounds better than it is

[verbal burrow]

Sneaky cat is usually pretty good with answering questions

[shell python]

the bayonet too?

[somber axle]

The cleave on the Helbore is 3.0 I think? That just pushes it to 4.5. You get 1 more Poxwalker than usual or 1 extra Groaner than usual LOL

I'm not sure if the cleave value is universal across the variants. I'd need to double check the guide

For reference Groaners have a hit mass of 1.0 and Poxwalkers have a hit mass of 1.5 afaik

So you shoot through 4 Groaners with Hotshot or 3 Poxwalkers

Normally you get 3 Groaners per shot or 2 Poxwalkers per shot

[verbal burrow]

Horde clear be like

[oblique totem]

Praise be to the clown vet, whose wisdom guides us through the roughest of bug patches.

[verbal burrow]

you know what does cleave through literally fucking everything?

[shell python]

honestly i kinda feel bad when some of the more technical aspects of the game are lost on me
i dont know what rending is, i forgot what cleave is, i dont know what hitmass is, i dont know how to make a proper build
i just picked whatever traits/skills, made sure to get VoC, krak grenades and focus fire, and then i choose between horde clear or priority target weaponry

[verbal burrow]

a plasma gun

[shell python]

pretty much what i got except i have rev it up instead of rampage because nyooooom

[shell python]

im gonna be honest

i praise the emperor inside every time i fire into a horde and see the ensuing spray of blood and maggots

[somber axle]

Helbores are one of the few guns I don't feel bad firing through a horde or mixed horde because Surgical + Shock Trooper and Reciprocity and/or Deadshot gives you infinite ammo

[shell python]

also wait how do recip and deadshot give you inf ammo again

[tame lodge]

You can get 5.4 cleave (on weakspot) for 10 seconds
The answer still no though

[somber axle]

I've been alternating between Surgical + Hotshot and Surgical + Weight of Fire depending on what I feel like playing

[tame lodge]

Or 9+ cleave with the mk4 bayo

[regal smelt]

I honestly feel like the dodge to gain crit chance talent completely outclasses deadshot. you can stay closer to enemies to get stacks on dodge and as soon as one actually hits you have the stamina to make them stop

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper gives you free shots on every critical hit with Lasguns only. Helbores, Recons, Infantry Lasguns and Laspistols all benefit from it

[midnight totem]

Probably surgical hotshot on the faster helbore

[shell python]

mother of FUCK i need that

[tame lodge]

Think I can push that to 11 cleave

[midnight totem]

Weight of fire instead of hotshot for the helbore 3

[somber axle]

Recip at max stacks is 25% crit chance, Deadshot is 25% crit chance and Surgical is +10% crit chance every 0.3 seconds while aiming down sights so you can get almost guaranteed crits on every shot. Aiming for just 1 second between every shot gives you 30% crit from just Surgical. Add that with the 5% base crit chance from Vet and aiming for 1 second with max Recip and Deadshot active is 85% crit chance

And Helbores want you to stop to charge each shot

So you'll naturally build Surgical stacks just playing it normally

My math may be off because if Helbores have innate crit chance I don't know the number offhandedly

[regal smelt]

does vet still have 5 base crit? I thought it was moved into the talent tree node

[somber axle]

I use my Helbore in no ammo Maels sometimes because it doesn't really need ammo pick ups anyway LOL

[tall torrent]

5% base crit chance
5% crit chance talent

[regal smelt]

gotcha

[somber axle]

Afaik yeah but I will consult the guide for more info

Oh wait there's Numbers Cat

[tame lodge]

Wait, they made the uncharged shots cost 2
Hmmm gotta check those adms

[somber axle]

If you grab the 5% crit talent node and get a 5% crit perk on the weapon you can make it extra silly but at that point it feels overkill

Instead of wasting the talent point or perk slot you could just aim Surgical for another 0.3 seconds and get the same benefit

[regal smelt]

Yeah I wouldn't ever bother going out of the way for more than 2 crit chance talents unless it's for the meme

[tall torrent]

The 5% crit chance talent is one of the best luxury spends if u have 1~2 points left after completing ur build

[somber axle]

Tbh you don't need Deadshot but I like it

[stray stream]

How is devil’s claw IV nowadays ?

[somber axle]

Recip or Deadshot is enough on its own for most maps, doing both is just for funsies on no ammo Maels

[worldly pulsar]

Can somebody recommend a good bolter vet build?

[stray stream]

Is devil’s claw 4 any good nowadays ?

[hearty panther]

god i miss vanguard

[midnight totem]

Same

[deft crystal]

chain sword, powersword, knife

shovel is flavor

[worldly pulsar]

Delicious flavor though

[stray stream]

What

[worldly pulsar]

He said the shovel was a flavor pick for melee weapon. I really like shovel.

[thorny gorge]

Its a good cook

[indigo edge]

What are the ideal stats for a plasma gun?

[thorny gorge]

69 charge 71 thermal

everything else 80

[tall torrent]

It’s alright

[somber axle]

Still fun vs poxwalkers/groaners but suffers when Flak enters the mix via scab bruisers or dreg bruisers. Parry is still very fun for dueling Ragers but is awful at handling Crushers

As long as you bring a ranged weapon to answer Crushers it's ok! And very fun

[split grove]

for recon lasgun do i need superiority or bring it down

idm no capstone

also what perks and blessings and which recon?

[sick cedar]

Man.

[untold mulch]

Someone forgot that balance is important in a melee weapon

handles like a rock

[timid goblet]

thats the most cursed chainsword ive ever seen

[orchid hemlock]

Neither, u need determined

[sick cedar]

I frankly forget what finesse does

[shadow fable]

attack speed

[sick cedar]

Oh right

[orchid hemlock]

Weakspot damage, crit damage, and weakspot crit damage

[timid goblet]

how do you send screenshots like that in disc??

i need help with an infantry lasgun build, and my power sword blessings too

[orchid hemlock]

Probably easier just to use this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[timid goblet]

sounds good, thanks brotha

[split grove]

which ones determined?

[orchid hemlock]

I'm on my phone so I can't show u, but it is right next to precision strikes

Here I'll just show you what I use with onslaught: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[timid goblet]

damn no keystones on that build huh

[normal spruce]

so much has changed since I last played, is Zarona revolver still good?

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[normal spruce]

and the weapon specialists talent is too right? I don't remember how it was like before

[orchid hemlock]

Other than weapon specialist, none of the keystones on Vet are insane

[normal spruce]

I had a power sword + zarona weapon specialist build

Oh ok then, its all good, I will start with my previous build

[split grove]

why is determined used

[orchid hemlock]

Do you understand how "suppression" works?

[hard lichen]

Ayo it's been like a year since I last played and they added my most wanted weapon: the bolt pistol.

Cold water me. Good? Shit? Mid?

[timid goblet]

im not running determined rn, should i just get rid of my focus target keysstone and run determined instead, in your opinion?

[split grove]

idk why you're quoting it but basically ppl shoot me i miss more

[orchid hemlock]

I'm quoting it to highlight it

In Darktide, even when you are aiming down sites your accuracy can decrease.

When you are being shot at you become "suppressed" which makes you loose accuracy.

[somber axle]

Dum Dum + Deathspitter with Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Headhunter without Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Infernus with Reciprocity if you like setting things on fire
Headhunter + Infernus if you don't like Reciprocity but you like setting things on fire

The other blessings are very eh. Dum Dum + Deathspitter is the best damage but you need to consistently stack and maintain Reciprocity since it becomes your main source of crit and you need crit with Shock Trooper to avoid becoming an ammo goblin

I do Dum Dum + Infernus with the Recon Mk VIc and Recon Mk XII, but I use Dum Dum + Deathspitter with the Recon Mk XIV personally. Reciprocity is my main source of crit on the Recon Mk XII but I like to do Deadshot with the Recon Mk VIc and Recon Mk XIV. Depends on what playstyle and talents you prefer. I wouldn't recommend Deadshot to most but you need some form of crit between Reciprocity, Deadshot or Headhunter. Just pick which ever you like most

[orchid hemlock]

Without determined, the Lazer accuracy of the recon is lost

It's the difference between a Lazer pointer and a light show

[timid goblet]

yeahhh the gunners are always a pain. ill run determined

[split grove]

do i really need the immunity when i'm just close range gunning people down with dumdum deathspitter

[somber axle]

Perks are Crit Chance and Carapace or Flak on the XII, Crit Chance and Flak on the VIc and XIV

[split grove]

which ones the giga fast firerate one

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[somber axle]

You could swap Maniac in if you prefer but those feel most impactful

[orchid hemlock]

In fact I argue that all of the laser rifles need determined

[timid goblet]

recon MK XII

[split grove]

ok i'll try out infernus

[timid goblet]

yeah i run infanty lasgun, good balance of power, range and CQC for me. but it def needs determined

[orchid hemlock]

Focus target by itself is bad, u really need at the very least redirect fire with it to justify the damage falloff of switching targets

[split grove]

i just dont want to focus target at all preferably

[orchid hemlock]

Focus target is very awkward as a keystone as well

If you need breakpoints it is useful

But on a gun like the recon, a few extra shots is not a breakpoint

[split grove]

gonna try this

base dmg vs dmg whats the diff

[orchid hemlock]

This is good but u need also the extra 5% crit rate node at the midway point of the talent tree

Free 5% crit rate is valuable on recon

[split grove]

k so drop the elite dmg

[orchid hemlock]

I would drop desperato

[thorny gorge]

and desparda

[orchid hemlock]

Elite damage is too good

[thorny gorge]

but weakspot dmg is nice

[orchid hemlock]

Elite damage is everything that u cna highlight

[thorny gorge]

b

[split grove]

recon lasgun really be like yeah everything is for me

can't even spare 1 point for my poor crit melee

right time to get a non-crit melee

[thorny gorge]

everything but keystones

[orchid hemlock]

Well this is because u need to waste a lot of to get onslaught

[split grove]

shovel

[orchid hemlock]

If you don't go onslaught u can grabs lots of other talents

[split grove]

nvm i'm lazy i'll rashad

[thorny gorge]

oh

grab duck and dive insted of close quaters

[orchid hemlock]

But yes if you want to go onslaught recon you need to devote the entire tree to it

[thorny gorge]

dnd works really well with reci

[orchid hemlock]

Eh, you don't have ghost or dead shot so it isn't required

More damage is fine it's up to you tho

[thorny gorge]

^

[orchid hemlock]

I prefer more damage because I want to spike boss grenade dumps after I shout

[thorny gorge]

i would maybe think about bring it down tho

[orchid hemlock]

Bring it down is fine, but lasguns really need the rending

It also stacks with onslaught

[thorny gorge]

taking that instend of precision?

[orchid hemlock]

You are very starved for points

Recon has low finesse modifyers so precision is also extremely valuable

Precision is good on all guns tbh

Because it's just flat weakness damage

the problem with bring it down is that it only works on unyielding

[split knot]

Guys, I played with burning Accatrana for a long time, but recently I noticed that I'm not burning bosses anymore, they changed bless or what? Same with psyker burna stick

[orchid hemlock]

rending and precision works on everything

[jaunty night]

anyone got a good vet build with columnus ?

[split knot]

have sup build with smokes and scream

[jovial sky]

Anybody got any ideas for best blessings for shovel?

[split knot]

colomnus 5 with rashad

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[jaunty night]

are smokes effective ? i would like to try real grenades, haven't really played vet

[orchid hemlock]

they are fine, I just ussually take krak to save points in the tree

[split knot]

smokes good, just drop it under you in fight

[jaunty night]

nice, well im gonna try that then, thanks

[orchid hemlock]

the strength of the collumnus is you dont need to take too many points on the tree for it

[split knot]

also dont forget to take regen grenades and upgraded grenades

[fickle narwhal]

Can anyone sugest me a good vet build for spear bolter

[split knot]

stealin smokes aint good)

[tiny summit]

The true path

[split knot]

nah

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[split knot]

@jaunty night

[tiny summit]

Im not trying to be optimal. Im trying to hotbox the hive

[timid goblet]

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ce25c43-a636-4463-b1bc-dfab68cf8a66/max-impact?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[split knot]

playing with that, pretty stronk

[orchid hemlock]

ah a fellow meme tider

[shadow dagger]

what's boltor activation distance again

[split knot]

weapons:
Colomnus 5(now vrax) with Unyielding dmg and Flak, Stripped Down and Dumdum
Rashad Unarmoured and Flak, Decapitator and Brutal Momentum

[nimble canyon]

anyone know a good infantry lasgun build?

trying to max the most headshot dmg i can do (unless there is a better way to play the gun)

[thick kestrel]

this is what I run personally:

[nimble canyon]

nice, what blessings do you run and what type of lasgun? I tried each but i cant really tell the best for dps. I like the faster ones but again idk which is best

[thick kestrel]

specifically with the "heavy" infantry lasgun, the "standard" one tends to be better if you can be really consistant with the headshots but the heavier varient lets you get away with more bodyshots on normal shooters

for blessings on the last I go with headhunter/deadly accurate with flak/maniac perks

[olive vine]

hey does anyone here know what kind of regiment the moebian sixth is ?

[thick kestrel]

you want to make sure you've got a good versatile melee though, this lacks anti-carapace so you'll want a folding shovel, powersword or combat axe to cover your weakpoints

[olive vine]

shit wrong channel

[thick kestrel]

something which holds up with low points investment with melee :>

[nimble canyon]

ye i love the shovel

[thick kestrel]

heh no worries, personal guess has always been an infantry regiment though, with a large ogryn auxillery presence.

they seem to lack armour or tanks, unlike the defending forces of the 21st + planetary defence force and the imperial forces have a clear air superiority with the 21'st large number of Valkyries.

certainly non-mechanised though

[olive vine]

i do wonder how they got their hands on valkyries themselves .

[thick kestrel]

not unreasonable odds they've managed to steal a few since the campaign started, but considering how rarely we see them? they seem to be restricted to moving the commanders we fight around.

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[thick kestrel]

mobility wise though the Mobians have control of the train system, which seems to mean a LOT for Tertium

[olive vine]

its probably cause they have like zero pilots.

[thorny gorge]

so if i swap bring it down with presion strikes i end up gaining dps if i can hit my shots

[tacit hearth]

Using this- thanks

[shadow dagger]

why is helbore vet performance so goddamn inconsistent

[orchid hemlock]

Aim better

Skill diff

[shadow dagger]

they either spend the entire game stabbing things or shooting ragers in a vent purge sniper gauntlet

or I literally never see a special farther than 25m away the entire game

there is never an average performing helbore vet

[tacit hearth]

So we have the Locke Spearhead bolter

when do we get the Lockheed Martin bolter

[somber axle]

The gun is very awkward to learn for people new to it. The charge and release mechanic for firing throws off some people. It also has some awkward sights. The swap speed and reload speed are both pretty slow. It's a weapon that takes practice but once a Vet knows the weapon well it sorta just demolishes everything pretty easily. It's just not as easy to pick up and use as a lot of other weapons. Plus the big name weapons like Zarona Revolver, Plasma, Vraks Infantry Autogun (formerly Columnus Infantry Autogun) and now Recon Mk XII are all much easier to pick up and dominate matches with

It's also a math check weapon to see if someone accurately tested their breakpoints

It's very close on some important breakpoints like Flamer, Dreg Gunner, etc. so a poor talent tree means it underperforms

[tall torrent]

IIb is the best one

[fickle narwhal]

What’s better, 3 curios with roughness or 2 roughness and 1 wounds?

Only 2 wounds seems like very low hp

[tall torrent]

Get >200 health and 20% sniper resist, everything else up to u

[fickle narwhal]

Okay thanks

[tall torrent]

Wounds don’t increase ur health

[fickle narwhal]

[shadow fable]

I usually like 1 stam, 1 health, and one toughness

[fickle narwhal]

But wounds it’s the hp bar ?? I am nit completely sure about stats yet

[shadow fable]

It's more downs

better forgiveness on downed

[tall torrent]

Wounds are health segments
The more wounds you have, the more health you’ll have after being revived (after downed), and the more times you can be downed before dying

[shadow fable]

I find it's a new player trap unless martyrdom zealot

[fickle narwhal]

Where can i see character overall stats??

[fickle narwhal]

Oh i see so i was wrong, damm

[tall torrent]

Go into psykanium - meat grinder and see what health u have

[fickle narwhal]

150 , big f

That’s why only 1 brute hit kills me

[tall torrent]

Curio info

@fickle narwhal

[fickle narwhal]

Holy hell that seems very helpful thanks

[jovial sky]

With the double barreled shotgun. Do people make a lot of use of the braced shot? Is it any good?

[shadow fable]

Stamina is also quite useful for many things and you really only need one +3 stamina curio. Blocking, some special attacks, push attacks, running, and the vet crit chance for stamina trade talent.

[tender inlet]

Anyone got a build for Dueling Sword Vet?

[shadow fable]

It has it's uses but not often. It's only really good for up close, one shot mutie heads, reaper heads, mauler bodies if need be, and extra penitration through a large group especially a pack of ragers or smthn.

[jovial sky]

Ah. It has extra cleave?

[shadow fable]

Yes

[tall torrent]

no

same 4.5 cleave

difference is, it has 32 pellets

because u shoot both shots at once

[shadow fable]

Sorry that's what I meant

[tall torrent]

at close range it's much higher dmg than firing twice in hipfire

it also has better gore effects

[shadow fable]

Just feels like extra because more death in front of the barrel

[tall torrent]

making it objectively the better way to play the gun

[toxic leaf]

did something change with the power sword? im charging up, getting hit, and swinging uncharged swings now

[thorny gorge]

its bugged rn

[toxic leaf]

like i do the charge cancel and im still swinging uncharged

it feels awful if this is intentional

[thorny gorge]

if you get hit during the special it cancels

[toxic leaf]

thats always been the case but im getting hit and losing charges period

[shadow fable]

Are you getting hit? Or hitting something then uncrhaged?

[toxic leaf]

get hit by a bullet, charge lost

ive used the ps a lot and it just feels different

[shadow fable]

I'm not sure if shots have always made it lose charge but getting smacked always has to my knowledge

[toxic leaf]

i can barely hold my own against brusers with it because the charged swing is just not swinging

its so fucking weird

[novel stone]

Thunderous or thrust for the Rashad?

Thrust for heavy spam thunderous for light?

[toxic leaf]

neither, brutal momentum and headtaker

[novel stone]

Fair enough

[shadow fable]

Heavy spam works well enough without thrust

[novel stone]

Tru

Thx

[toxic leaf]

thrust could be fun for some heavy spam memes but rashad is not full charging heavies

its just spamming them

[tall torrent]

neither, headtaker + brutal momentum

[novel stone]

Yeah I wasn't enjoyign it

[fickle narwhal]

What is the best melee weapon for hordes,?i am with the chain sword at the moment

[toxic leaf]

so you barely get a boost and losing brutal momentum is awful for it

[shadow fable]

Sepaking of thrust the mk3 power sword making a comeback with better heavy attack blessings

[tall torrent]

Rashad III combat axe

[novel stone]

CS is good but If you got a power cycler 4 power sworr that slaps pretty hard

[fickle narwhal]

Thanks i will try it

[thorny gorge]

ive just been junning rampage

[toxic leaf]

rashad only if you are specd for melee, a rashad that isnt 1 shotting bruisers is bad

[thorny gorge]

are the heavys blessings better?

[toxic leaf]

i would say power sword is best if you have no melee talents but it feels really bad rn for me

[novel stone]

@tall torrent @toxic leaf what refines would be best for the Rashad, maniac and carapace?

[shadow fable]

Chainsword can be good but it has to be damn well built and covered by other stuff in your build for things it can't handle well like armour

[tall torrent]

There’re 3 kinds of veteran builds
The ones that can afford a Rashad
The ones that can’t afford a Rashad
And the ones that play knife

[toxic leaf]

unarmoured + something, i use elites

[tall torrent]

I use carapace + elite

[novel stone]

I was prib gonna use carapace no matter what so I'll run with that

[thorny gorge]

this good for a horde clear setup?

[toxic leaf]

the most important thing about rashad is 1 swinging bruisers to the head without buffs

[shadow fable]

Rashad works SO well with the db shoygun and weapon specialist with the attack speed blessing near it

[tawdry jackal]

Wait how do you got this mod working?

Did I fuck it up setting up?

[toxic leaf]

if your rashad isnt doing that or requires 3-4 headtaker stacks, you need new perks

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1292621882859851786/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.06_-_14.50.19.10.mp4?ex=67051030&is=6703beb0&hm=b6f7f9b496e07b0e86681c02d2de94506b910ce14ab2718dea5b7f049bbe247c&

also clears hordes extremely well

[thorny gorge]

did you add it into the mod load list

[tall torrent]

top 3 anti-elite
top 3 horde clear
top 5 (?) boss dps

[tawdry jackal]

Yes I did, and to the mods folder. Doing gamepass not steam version

[orchid hemlock]

Top 1 supa

[tawdry jackal]

It shows up in mod options

But it doesn’t work

Even when toggled on

Like is it a mod dependency deal?

[thorny gorge]

probably becuase of this ngl

[tawdry jackal]

Fuck this starting over on steam

[shadow fable]

real

[tall torrent]

Nah, u don’t need to

The added description stuff aren’t even that accurate

[shadow fable]

I came back to infantry las recently. Is it worth it to take deadly accurate? Or do you get more value out of something like ghost?

[tawdry jackal]

TOO LATE SPENT THE 25 DOLLARS SON

[orchid hemlock]

Ghost

[tawdry jackal]

IMPERIAL EDITION. GIMME AQUILAS BIIIIHH

[shadow fable]

I thought so with precision strikes talent being a thing

[orchid hemlock]

No it's for duck and dive and determined

[tall torrent]

Ghost + headhunter
Maniac + flak
Use IIb, it’s the best one

[tawdry jackal]

I like having my shit on steam anyway

[tall torrent]

IX is only good at headshot
VII is middle child syndrome

IIb has best ammo & handling

Very easy to decide

[tawdry jackal]

Now I can do a new class from 1-30 now that I experienced veteran

[novel stone]

Does the chax still compete with the other stuff nowadays? I really liked it when I started playing like a year ago

[tall torrent]

Try XII

[shadow fable]

Headhunter over efficiency?

[tall torrent]

Efficiency is horrible

[shadow fable]

I see

[tall torrent]

Save one ammo every 4.5s

Vs +20% crit rate at the minimum

[shadow fable]

Now that you say it I understand

Is there any fix for the fullscreen tab out problem yet?

going windowed on tab out is mildly infuriating

[orchid hemlock]

What is the new naming conversion? 😔

[tall torrent]

MG IV = IIb

[orchid hemlock]

My goat 😭

[shadow fable]

What's a solid melee to pair with infantry? Dueling sword maybe?

[tall torrent]

Rashad

[shadow fable]

lol

[shadow fable]

Heavies against bosses now after the heavy attack changes to it right?

[orchid hemlock]

Is DS decent horde clear if you go mk2 and rampage?

[shadow fable]

I wish all the combat axes did the cool thing where it flips around to use the spike for strikedown heavies

[fickle narwhal]

What is rashad??

[sharp trail]

rapier with flense for infinite bleed stacks

[shadow fable]

Green combat axe

best one out of the three

[fickle narwhal]

Thanks i was looking at google lol

[somber axle]

Rashad Mk III Combat Axe

[shadow fable]

Flense?

[somber axle]

You'll want the right blessings and perks. You also need some of the melee oriented talents. At least one of the melee attack speed talents or it feels slow

But it is probably the best Vet melee no contest

[shadow fable]

It balls with the db shotgun, melee speed talent, and weapon specialist

very good

[somber axle]

Brutal Momentum, Headtaker, Unarmoured for Bruiser 1 tap without needing to stack HT, Carapace for better Crusher breakpoint. Trench Fighter Drill and Weapon Specialist too

[sharp trail]

for when you want to kill people with hatchets

[somber axle]

You can skip Unarmoured if you're ok spending extra swings to meet the Bruiser 1 tap

[shadow fable]

Is the chainaxe still mid for the vet?

I like it conceptually but not so much in practice

[somber axle]

Yeah. It has poor horde clear and is very slow without melee attack speed talents. It's fun for burying into boss weakspots though and the feeling of staggering a Daemonhost with a Krak before getting a rev'd chainaxe into their face is magical

Fun but very far behind a lot of other Vet melees

[shadow fable]

pretty much sums up the experience

[sharp trail]

it's not ideal but i enjoy using it with DB with manstopper

[somber axle]

The horde clear is goofy because most of the time you're just knocking around hordes without killing them

[vestal widget]

wasn't it heavies into bosses always

[midnight totem]

On the other hand, cosplaying a khornate is easier then ever with the red mastery chainaxe

[orchid hemlock]

the duality of man 😔

[radiant finch]

tried this today, didn't like it. power cycler is king

[tall torrent]

Quit anime gacha forevah

[orchid hemlock]

tbf, this game was also a gacha for 2 years

[tall torrent]

It still is
If you want to perfect roll plasma gun

But it’s not an anime gacha

[orchid hemlock]

I simp for hadron

close enough 😔

[nimble canyon]

how come?

[tall torrent]

Best ammo economy, best sustained firing uptime, instant sprint-to-fire, fast ADS move speed, same 2HS like VII in exe stance but shoots faster & is not overly reliant on headshots like IX

[nimble canyon]

i see, ill try it out

[orchid hemlock]

Get this mod, and you will understand why: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/87

[shadow fable]

What is the best dueling sword for vet and what blessings/perks?

Or is the knife just better for vet?

If so what for knife

[pseudo fiber]

the mk4 is good with uncanny precog

[vapid nacelle]

I use this personally

[placid portal]

So what is special about Heavy sword vs claw, do not understand

only know Heavy Sword has Brutal Momentum & headtaker

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword has generally better damage, and DC swords are more defense orientated

If u don’t want to utilize the parry aspect of DC swords, they’re not worth using

[stray nebula]

Why does the mk VIc recon las have the same mag size and a lower ammo reserve than the mk XIV when it has lower damage and a faster fire rate?

[tall torrent]

XIV uses 2 ammo per shot

VIc uses 1 ammo per shot

[stray nebula]

Ah, okay.

[somber axle]

I made something for this!

VId = XII = Blue = Fastest Fire Rate/Large Mag Size = 60 damage per shot, 1200 RPM, 1 ammo per shot, 180/880 ammo (1100 reserve with Fully Loaded)
II = VIc = Green = Most Ammo Efficient = 98 damage per shot, 667 RPM, 1 ammo per shot, 108/636 ammo (795 reserve with Fully Loaded)
VIIa = XIV = Brown = Highest damage per shot/3.0 Cleave = 141 damage per shot, 461 RPM, 2 ammo per shot, 108/852 ammo (1065 reserve with Fully Loaded)

do you think it's too much info

[placid portal]

makes sense now

[somber axle]

the XIV reserve is deceptive because it's got the least number of shots of all the Recons

look at the 108 clip/852 reserve as 54/426

[placid portal]

so it's basically an laser autogun

[somber axle]

it looks extra awkward like that but it also has the slowest fire speed so it doesn't drink through the ammo as fast as the XII

and all the Recons are fine with Shock Trooper

VIc has the best ammo efficiency for cost/rate of fire and lets you lean into shooting a lot more than the ammo numbers make it appear at a glance

[tall torrent]

Kind of
It has the best ammo efficiency for general use though

Because u have 3 cleave

It goes through general horde, shotgunners, flamers & trappers

And better dps than VIc

[somber axle]

XII is the funny armour piercing machine gun
VIc is like an automatic Infantry Lasgun
XIV is like the Agripina Braced Autogun/Agripina Infantry Autogun for funny cleave through hordes/mixed hordes

[vale ledge]

Could this be peak-

[shadow fable]

Unyielding is questionable but good otherwise

[vale ledge]

That was on there after I upgraded it

Havent gotten to ironing it out fully

[tall torrent]

XIV is if u wanted a cleave automatic gun to also shoot straight

[somber axle]

I'd recommend swapping Armourbane away to Weight of Fire. Hotshot is funny if you like shooting into hordes a lot. Unless you can meet the 1 tap Dreg Gunner headshot/1 tap Flamer headshot with Focus Target/Redirect Fire you need Unarmoured/Maniac. But you can comfortably meet the 1 tap Dreg Gunner/Flamer with some ranged damage perks and Focus Target/Redirect Fire or Exe Stance

[somber axle]

are the spreads on the autoguns that wild? I haven't touched them in forever

or recoil I guess is the right term

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa mk1’s recoil is high enough to be unreliable at long range without exe stance
Agripinaa mk8 cannot ADS

XIV simply doesn’t care

[somber axle]

Lasguns are the champions now

[shadow fable]

Weight of fire is still better than armor bane on the fast one?

[tall torrent]

Armourbane is a weird one

[somber axle]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

It only matters for crushers

But u still take like 4~5 headshots on avg to kill one in exe stance

[somber axle]

You can get Crusher 2 tap without Armourbane

[tall torrent]

Which is just too slow to be worth it

It does nothing for what Helbore is supposed to be good at

[shadow fable]

I guess ttk is just faster with weight of fire

[tall torrent]

Well, no, you just don’t typically shoot crushers with Helbore

TTK is too slow to be worth it

[somber axle]

Depends on build but if you grab Carapace perk, FT/RF and Exe Stance you can push it to 2-3 shot

which is pretty fast tbh

[tall torrent]

Armourbane doesn’t improve that drastically

[somber axle]

If you don't run Exe Stance and FT/RF then you need Unarmoured and Maniac for Dreg Gunner/Flamer breakpoints and it's not a good idea to shoot at Crushers

[shadow fable]

Lasguns have always been that goat of the imperium

[somber axle]

I forgor how many shots outside of Exe Stance though

I should go check but I'm in FF14

[errant fern]

new vet drip is pretty sick

[tall torrent]

New drip this Thursday

Hopefully some actual Armor

For veteran

[somber axle]

the top guns for a hot minute have been a revolver, plasma and an autogun so it's nice to see a lasgun shove its way into the top tier and even funnier that it's a Recon

I'm hoping the new armour is the green Cadian armour they've been hiding forever

[tall torrent]

Plasma is not top 3 anymore imo

[shadow fable]

yeah definitely

[tall torrent]

It’s revolver / Vraks 5 / recon

Plasma is after these

[placid portal]

When revolvo gets 450 damage with 2.5x crit multiplier

[somber axle]

not anymore but it held the spot for quite a while

[thorny gorge]

I have spent about 1.1 million trying to get the correct roll for plsama

[shadow fable]

I'd love to see Kasrkin, A full set for the scion helmet, and maybe the lucifer blacks

[thorny gorge]

[somber axle]

still top 5 easily

[vapid nacelle]

Laspistol #1 in my heart

[shadow fable]

Boltgun took the place of the plasma for me I love it now

[placid portal]

the spam or the heavy variant

[thorny gorge]

Not if i cant get a good one

[vapid nacelle]

I like both but I'll say spam

[placid portal]

the heavy variant is my personal favorite bc it has insane flak modifier

hip fire 3 shot ragers or a poor gooner

[somber axle]

I want the armoured legs

wait no the armoured top

but like not sludge camo

I've got everything else

[tall torrent]

There is a Kasrkin Armor already in the game

[placid portal]

Woe, a Box Shoe upon yee

[vapid nacelle]

I've near exclusively used Laspistol on my Vet since before the class overhaul and it will always remain my precious child

[somber axle]

but nothing armoured that matches with the armoured legs that isn't just sludge or the standard green commissary chest

[shadow fable]

Really?

[somber axle]

I think Boltpistol Lethal Proximity Grenadier build is top 5 Vet builds?

it's definitely up there LOL

[vapid nacelle]

I like the heavy one but the spam one always ends up feeling better for me to use

[somber axle]

it's a powerhouse

[shadow fable]

I'm glad to see boltweapons perform as they should

[placid portal]

damn I feel that in an inverse manner but I respec

[vapid nacelle]

I love both though

[somber axle]

the Boltpistol is neat but it's wild that the strongest part about it is the interaction with Shredder Frag Grenades

[shadow fable]

I have the legs and helmet but yes this

[vapid nacelle]

I just wish the heavier one did a little more damage or something, Idk something just feels a little off about it and I can't quite place what it is

[somber axle]

I want the chest but in standard green and not sludge camo

I've got like a million helmets to match but like 1 chest piece that works

[tall torrent]

Same

[shadow fable]

Same and also maybe that thick knightly looking chestpiece in green for vet

[tall torrent]

But

I want the tempestus scion armor more

[somber axle]

I was really hoping they would've taken the Space Marine 2 release to throw Cadian things onto the store

But we got some nice Steel Legion so it's ok

[vapid nacelle]

so now I'm gonna force myself to use it again because all weapons not named the tactical axe deserve appreciation

[somber axle]

Tempestus Scion full set would be nice

isn't the whole set also in the files and just not released?

I could swear I've seen screenshots of it

[tall torrent]

Datamined (unfinished) tempestus scion armor

[somber axle]

no gloves

ouch

[tall torrent]

If scion armor somehow doesn’t have gloves in the release version, I’m not buying it

[somber axle]

hope they add gloves to the final

[tall torrent]

This is what I use now

[somber axle]

that's also solid

[shadow fable]

damn

[somber axle]

SM2 really just made me want to play standard looking Imperial Guard aesthetic LOL

[midnight totem]

I'd love the chest piece in black

[shadow fable]

yeah same

[oblique totem]

Man, I feel bad for Pomni

[midnight totem]

... and a white or black power sword skin

[shadow fable]

I really like the green commisar looking one in the rewards track for vet except for the missing glove

[midnight totem]

I actually can't find any pants I really like, other then the base black inquisition vet pants

[somber axle]

Black would be a cool look

[midnight totem]

And of course, my groxhide leathers

[somber axle]

I think we only have the weird candle Zealot looking chest and the mortis operative stuff for pure black armour

there's the black leather coats though

for commissar/hive ganger aesthetics

[midnight totem]

Yeah but they arent that nice. Love my fancy grox hide leathers though.

[somber axle]

I guess the Rogue Trader set is black-ish? Sorta dark brown

[midnight totem]

Yes, that's where it's from

I would like the rogue trader chestpiece too but...

The chest is a bit caved in

Im no space marine but like, where are my guardsman pecs?

[pseudo fiber]

I hope it's blue

[somber axle]

we're lanky skinny starved gaunt rejects turned acolytes

[shadow fable]

I've been running these lately

[toxic leaf]

which mk recon do we like the most?

[somber axle]

Personally? Mk VIc
But overall I think most like the XII more and it's more powerful by far

[shadow fable]

the fastest one

[somber axle]

though I'm biased because I like how the green Recon looks with my Elysian set

[midnight totem]

I knew I shouldn't have given big man some of my rations

[pastel zealot]

anybody have a decent VoC build that uses krak grenades?

[tall torrent]

I don’t like the green penance Armor cuz one hand has no gloves

[shadow fable]

Yeah otherwise I like it

[midnight totem]

Nah, better touch all that nurgle gunk with your bare hands

That's what the purity seals are for

[idle swallow]

need some fingerless gloves

oh wait there already is, praise the emperor

[shadow fable]

I don't understand what it is with game drip designers and making drip one step away from perfect. Like helmets not being closed, missing neck coverings, missing gloves, etc

[regal smelt]

all the armor sets that are close to looking like you can mix and match multiple pieces being 1 shade away from the same color, so annoying similar yet unwearable

seriously fuck that

like why the fuck do you make more than 1 set with white as a primary color, and then one of the whites is just gray enough to fuck any chances of fitting a chestpiece and pants together

have to get a dumb mod just to change the color that only I can see on shit i payed for

[nimble canyon]

for infantry lasgun, what are like the best blessings to use. Currently feel like im not landing any of my hits with this gun.

[shadow fable]

Ghost and headhunter

[nimble canyon]

like the recoil is too much

[vapid nacelle]

Hey Vet gamers I have to ask

[shadow fable]

The recoil? Are you sure it's the infantry

[nimble canyon]

yeah the IIb

[regal smelt]

trouble landing hits? the blessings I go for are just damage, there's nothing that affects recoil and infantry las is as light as it can get almost

[vapid nacelle]

I'm extremely used to the Laspistol being a top tier Monstrosity killer thanks to crit and weak spot damage + Infernus, I was wondering if the Recon Lasguns did something similar since they also have Infernus

[shadow fable]

Use the Mk VII

It's the best

High damage and fire rate with very manageable recoil

[somber axle]

Yeah Recons can be built to burn bosses with a solid TTK

[regal smelt]

weakdpot damage is lacking, but yeah you use it for infernus and keep max stacks on a boss while you switch to other targets

[junior grail]

How is Vet with Heavy Sword?

[formal pebble]

is infantry autogun better than recon lasgun

[regal smelt]

keep forgetting it exists, probably more fun than devils claw

[vapid nacelle]

Gotcha, thanks

[somber axle]

Vraks Infantry Autogun has a bit higher damage afaik but it's worse accuracy at longer ranges and doesn't have Shock Trooper to prop up the ammo cost

[junior grail]

I assume its more fun when combined with Vets Rending talents

Looking for something other than Duelling Sword

[shadow fable]

Marksman's focus is underrated with chink in their armour and the fast recon lasgun

[regal smelt]

i mean expose weakness is a shit talent lol (and melee crit chance aint the best on heavy sword), but yeah the 10% rending probably helps a ton if you can reach that and the attack speed buff

[junior grail]

Wrong reply but agree, recon has a lot of fun factor

[shadow fable]

Yes

[vapid nacelle]

How about the Bolt Pistol, is it good at damaging Monstrosities?

[regal smelt]

before the crafting update foe sure. after, it's easier to get max infernus on recon and ammo economy actually feels managable. I tried going back to my columbus vraks, but I only like it for my gunker now

[shadow fable]

To me that's the difference between bolt pistol and boltgun. If you want boss dmg go boltgun and if you want handling and specialist kills go bolt pistol

Not that boltgun is bad for specialists it's still quite good

[vapid nacelle]

Gotcha. Sorry I've like never used ranged weapons on my vet other than helbore and laspistol lmao

[shadow fable]

A true guardsman

[vapid nacelle]

I concur

[regal smelt]

i miss the time when mg12 was the best pick other than bolter

[vapid nacelle]

Everyone taking too long to handle all the shooters in cover so might as well snipe/counterfire them myself

Self sufficiency or whatever

[mighty escarp]

Heres a question for you

[shadow fable]

The versatility of lasguns cannot be understated

[mighty escarp]

what keystone are you taking? Are you using EXE stance?

[serene bough]

ye

love me an ilas

[shadow fable]

Same

[vapid nacelle]

Remind me what Keystone means, is that the ones at the bottom of the tree?

[oblique totem]

Gun > Sword

[mighty escarp]

more the middle, your ult, exe? shout? Invis?

[vapid nacelle]

ah

On the build I'm running atm it's Shout

[broken scroll]

it's the purple ones at the bottom, yeah

[vapid nacelle]

I do have a dedicated Laspistol build with Exe Stance too

[mighty escarp]

So, when you go into a fight, are you shooting immediately?

[somber axle]

Keystones are Marksman's Focus, Focus Target and Weapon Specialist

[shadow fable]

If you have a good team having exe stance is great since you don't need to shout to cover as much

[oblique totem]

I was confused, I thought Ketstones were the bottom three and abilities were the others

[vapid nacelle]

Like, a ranged shootout fight?

[mighty escarp]

A lot of times, if the gunners are out of control, its because someone shoots them immediately, they split up and run to cover, which prevents people from getting close enough to them to get them into melee instead as a group

if gunners are out of control and shooting everyone, its because someone triggered the next encounter too quickly without planning to kill them

[vapid nacelle]

Oh I think I get what you mean, no I don't preemptively aggro

[broken scroll]

wdym, that's clearly the vet not doing their job 😛

[mighty escarp]

lol yeah that too

[oblique totem]

A good enough vet can keep the gunners under control

[mighty escarp]

kinda the point

[vapid nacelle]

In the past I did though

Past me has gotten my squad wiped more than a few times and I think I've learned from that mistake lol

[mighty escarp]

its the fact you said "everyone is taking too long to handle all the shooters in cover" is a big hint that something went wrong

[vapid nacelle]

ah

[mighty escarp]

I use EXE stance personally, but I use it more to scout for info. If theres a massive wave of gunners on patrol as a group, I'll rush in first, kill them all immediately just to removed them before they hide in cover. If I dont see anything, then I stay in the back and cover the melee boys

dont need extra toughness if no one loses toughness

[vapid nacelle]

It depends on situations of course but

If there's not much else around causing havoc I usually just walk into the shootout, I have Ghost 4, Out For Blood and Confirmed Kill and the shout so I'm usually fine just taking all the aggro

[mighty escarp]

it can depend on the build really

[vapid nacelle]

I also have Smokes too so I try to cover the team with those as needed

[mighty escarp]

ah

[vapid nacelle]

Not upgraded ones, not sure how much that matters, the normal ones seem to work fine for me, everything tries to shoot me at least

[nimble canyon]

do you have a reccomended build for infantry lasgun

[shadow fable]

Yes very much so I can dm you the one I'm using now if you'd like

[mighty escarp]

Theres a lot of little mechanical things when it comes to shooters, but most cases, if shooters are out of control, its because someone triggered them too early without killing the wave, then they run and hide, and sometimes, one will hide so far back it can trigger the next shooter wave.

Then you get like...50 gunners in a fight and they just pelt everyone to death

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

[nimble canyon]

yes please

[vapid nacelle]

And that's why I just about never go without Laspistol anymore

Ghost 4 my beloved

[shadow fable]

I'll do it in a minute just not at my pc right now

[obtuse wind]

Any builds?

[vapid nacelle]

I love playing needle knight with the dueling sword but I wish my internet wasn't as bad as it was 😔

[shadow fable]

Any particular ones in mind?

[silent cloud]

Can veteran playing duelling sword?I want to use it,but it seems not as good as when Zealot use it

[mighty escarp]

it wont ever be as good as zealot without going into weapon specialist tree, its a good alternative to some of the axes, but its not going to be top tier weapon for vet

[shadow fable]

It's quite good for armor and high single target damage if ur bored of power sword all the time

That's why I use it

[vapid nacelle]

I've gotten horribly addicted to it

[silent cloud]

Is it hard to dealing with hordes?

[shadow fable]

The horde clear isn't half bad either

[obtuse wind]

I'm new in Darktide so, I don't know so much, BUT, ¿theres a "just a good build"? for adapt.

[vapid nacelle]

The horde clear is ok

Just have to make sure you're aiming for headshots or else it's gonna be really bad

[shadow fable]

For everything you can't go wrong with power sword and bolt pistol. Very strong combo right now

[obtuse wind]

Sounds good.

[shadow fable]

Or one of my personal favorites boltgun chainsword

Shreds monstrosities

[obtuse wind]

I've been playing with a infantry lasgun/shotgun and the shovel XD.

[obtuse wind]

Space Marine like.

[shadow fable]

Those are solid picks too

[shadow fable]

Fr

[vapid nacelle]

This might be a dumb question but Cleave Damage stat doesn't matter when you're only hitting one target right?

[shadow fable]

I don't think so

[mighty escarp]

depends on the weapon

[vapid nacelle]

Needle 4

[nimble canyon]

sorry for late response, ye anytime you wanna dm go ahead. i really need a good build because i feel like im doing something wrong

[mighty escarp]

allows you to cleave through hordes more effectively with LMB spam

[obtuse wind]

Any advice before playing more?

[shadow fable]

I sent it

[tall torrent]

IX is actually ok rn, it’s just that it’s way too headshot reliant and doesn’t feel nearly as good as the other two infantry Lasguns

[vapid nacelle]

should I get rid of my Mobility after all? 😔

[sharp trail]

audio cues will help you know if an enemy pitbull is about to spawn in behind you and maul you

[obtuse wind]

I was surprised by the herds.

Theres no herds of Packmasters or assassins in Vermintide XD.

[silent cloud]

This is my combo too.Very powerful combo

[oblique totem]

There are herds now too?

[silent cloud]

Bolt pistol is some how better than boltgun ,my view

[fickle narwhal]

What build do you play on auric maelstorm? cause i can't play on that section literally i'm dead at the five minuts

[shadow fable]

Mostly except for monstrosities and some patrols

[thorny gorge]

Recon work

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is actually really hard to build

[thorny gorge]

Or Rashad

[silent cloud]

Na.

Easy to build

Just use same build as boltgun

[fickle narwhal]

but don't you get out of ammo?¿

[shadow fable]

I find it does everything super easy

[thorny gorge]

Not if i copy your homework

[tall torrent]

That’s actually just worse than Boltgun lol

[silent cloud]

Depend on your skill

[tall torrent]

[silent cloud]

For me is the almost same damage as boltgun

[thorny gorge]

[fickle narwhal]

thanks i guess you have to play that with the axe right?

[tall torrent]

Boltgun’s breakpoints are way more accessible than Boltpistol

[silent cloud]

But faster reload and high mobiliry

[thorny gorge]

I believe in the timmies of this game

[tall torrent]

Axe is very strong yea

If u don’t want to use it, u don’t have to

[sharp trail]

what're bolt pistols BPs?

[tall torrent]

Gunner & flamer 1HS

Mainly

[vapid nacelle]

What would it take to make the Tactical Axes worth using

[silent cloud]

I am already tired of the reload speed of boltgun,so when i play boltpistol,it really suprised me

[tall torrent]

Flamer is easy

Gunner is

[thorny gorge]

Just steal info from hammers spreadsheet guys, lmfao

[tall torrent]

Much more complicated than every other 1 tap orientated fun

[vapid nacelle]

Honestly Agile had me a little hopeful for Tactical Axes until Dueling Sword also got it

[obtuse wind]

Thanks for the tips, love you guys.

[shadow fable]

anytime

[tall torrent]

The fact that Boltpistol needs superiority complex to hit breakpoints

Real shame

[fickle narwhal]

What gun do you use with that build??

[shadow fable]

my boltpistol build

[obtuse wind]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogflying-animal-gif-22953101

[tall torrent]

It’s optimized for plasma’s breakpoints

[shadow fable]

point blank isn't needed tho

[tall torrent]

But I don’t recommend plasma for most people

[vapid nacelle]

Oooo shock maul spotted, I wanted to use it but never got around to it

[fickle narwhal]

oh that's confusing

[shadow fable]

good but outclassed

[vapid nacelle]

😔

[fickle narwhal]

do you guys recomend bolt rifle?

[tall torrent]

You’re much more likely to have a better time with Vraks V autogun or Zarona revolver

[shadow fable]

yes it's great

[thorny gorge]

It costs alot to roll the plasma you need

[fading yarrow]

The way Hadron says, "Go. We both know you'll return," makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

[thorny gorge]

Im up to about a million spent

[minor ocean]

salut, des fr qui jouent ?

[thorny gorge]

[tall torrent]

Strong pick, needs a dedicated build to support it, not a whole lot of variety in build, needs you to be able to self-sustain in melee without VoC gold toughness

[sharp trail]

what's usually preferred?

[fickle narwhal]

I’m trying to build it but i need alot of reload speed to make it viable somehow still not being good enough and i fall very strongly on hordes

[winter grove]

Stealth bolter

[shadow fable]

depends. If you want a grenade build go for lethal proximity, if you want headshot damage go deadly accurate, and if you want a little DOT go the bleed one

[sharp trail]

ah right, forgot lethal prox if you're going grenadier

[vapid nacelle]

Something I noticed a moment ago, Vet seems to be the only class that doesn't have a melee weapon with a blessing that can generate Toughness in some way

[fickle narwhal]

Do you have a recomended build page ? I have two builds save but none of them truly feels good enough for auric

[shadow fable]

I can give u one for boltgun if u like

[silent cloud]

Almost the same build.Middle line

[shadow fable]

he has so many tougness talents it's not even funny

[vapid nacelle]

Yeah it probably makes sense balancing wise

I just thought it was interesting

[silent cloud]

For me it actually boltpistol better than boltgun slmetimes

[fickle narwhal]

Yes pls i need it, i’m using this one

[vapid nacelle]

Psyker technically doesn't either but their force swords have Exorcist which, paired with Quietitude, can technically generate Toughness that way

[shadow fable]

Gotchu

[void bison]

Confirmed kill makes me the toughness dealer.

[shadow fable]

lemme know if u have questions

make sure u have a decent stamina curio since this build uses deadshot

and the swap speed talent + reload after special kill solves mosy of the boltguns problems

[fickle narwhal]

Yes i’m using this thing since tou told me earlier about stamina i pick this thing on my build

6 bars stamina at the moment

[shadow fable]

You only need one curio with +3 stamina it helps enormously

[fickle narwhal]

Thank u i will try with this build, wich are the weakest and the strong points of the build in your opinion?

[shadow fable]

You have to be slightly stingy about ammo for the non priority enemies, mag size can be a small problem, and boltgun handling is a little poor. Otherwise I love this build

[tall torrent]

Lethal proximity + puncture/run&gun

[shadow fable]

If you have it built the same it should take 3 headshots to kill orgyns

[tall torrent]

Tell me what blitz, aura, ability & weapons u want to use

[tall torrent]

U don’t need determined on Boltgun anymore

Rending is also unnecessary

[hearty panther]

luv u tac axes

[shadow fable]

Y not?

[hearty panther]

miss u vanguard

[shadow fable]

rending still helps with chainsword

[vale ledge]

I think the Reliquary Array is peak

[idle swallow]

I think you are peak, Slab

[sharp trail]

are there any certain melee nodes I can try to skip out on for mk6 PS?

[shadow fable]

I know this is the wrong channel but I will be in the strike team 33 vc if anyone wants to discuss builds or run some

[tall torrent]

They buffed Boltgun sway a lot

[shadow fable]

I see thanks

[tall torrent]

It helps but not by that much

If you want to run a chainsword u could just go exe Boltgun with kraks

The anti-Armor on that is so good u can get away with chainsword

[shadow fable]

I like the saving shout and shredders. I use the chainswords because boltgun solves the issues it has

[tall torrent]

Exe is prob the best ability for Boltgun rn

[fickle narwhal]

I’ve tried the build seems solid but i have to learn to use deadshoot and not be out of stamina, but definetly a solid build for auric

[fickle narwhal]

Since i’m not a decent player i am not sure what to use to be fair not enough hours at game to know the meta

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are u mainly playing atm

[fickle narwhal]

I’m at auric at the moment but can’t play on maelstrom without problems

[tall torrent]

Which maelstrom though

Because maelstrom difficulty varies wildly

[fickle narwhal]

This one

I can play auric but i’m not solid in that difficulty

[tall torrent]

Oh that one

What’s ur main concern there

[fickle narwhal]

I can make 3 or 4 missions and then die for stupidity

I want to stay alive to be honest

But want to enjoy the glorious bolter

[tall torrent]

Well yea but what’s killing u

[fickle narwhal]

Too

I think the worst part are the hordes

[shadow fable]

Thanks I hope you enjoy it

bolter has good hipfire at close ranges anyway

[tall torrent]

What about the horde

[mighty escarp]

Sorry, was in a game, hope you got yoru answer

[vapid nacelle]

I didn't really but I'm lazy to get an 80 cleave 60 mobi so I'mma just stick with this for now

[fickle narwhal]

This is my fav build at the moment but very bad for melee

[fickle narwhal]

Yes actually this is funny as hell but make me scary about ammo waste

[fickle narwhal]

The ammount of little ones

[tall torrent]

Ok first off if you’re playing Boltgun, just respec that talent tree

[mighty escarp]

Ah, mmmm....it will be fine but dont rely on it to handle a massive wave, the mobility will help you get out of the danger so you can engage with the rest of your team, but dont even think of going in with the damage to save you, it will take a little while longer to cleave through the enemies. It will be perfect for picking off mutants or tougher elites though and maybe B- on horde clear

[tall torrent]

I run this for Boltgun

[vapid nacelle]

I've been diving into hordes the whole time 😭 just infinitely dodging my problems away

[mighty escarp]

If you plan to take it into an auric damn with lots of mods, it will disappoint you in the end but then again, there are better choices for vet in auric mael

[vapid nacelle]

You're probably right

But it's the first melee weapon I've actually liked using on my Vet

[sharp trail]

is the +10% melee damage node on the top right of the tree necessary for any melee

[mighty escarp]

its pretty good dont get me wrong though, gives enough power to take down a tougher elite thats got you in a corner or mutants (besides a PS of course)

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword is a strong melee for veteran because it basically does what knife does with 1/3 of the point investment
However you just have to accept that your horde clear will be abysmal

It’s a strong option for fighting elites, armor and bosses

[vapid nacelle]

yeah, the horde clear isn't great

[tall torrent]

It’s a really remarkably dogshit option for fighting bruisers

[vapid nacelle]

It does at least do something to them though

At least it's not Tactical Axe

[tall torrent]

Yea it tickles them

Tac axes have way better horde than duelling swords lol

[mighty escarp]

the only other thing you could do is reroll the perks to focus it purely for horde clear instead (you'll lose a lot of power in other avenues, but it will at least help close the gap)

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword is bad at horde clear basically no matter what u do

U can only bring it up from “abysmal” to “slightly less abysmal”

[vapid nacelle]

I forgot they had that going for them honestly

[mighty escarp]

but they like using it, question isnt whats better, question is how to make it better so they can continue to have fun with it

[vapid nacelle]

It just seemed like a garbage weapon lol

[tall torrent]

A slightly better option is like

[fickle narwhal]

Thanks this looks similar at the one that ETkings suggest me but with more melee buffs, in your opinion what’s the strong point and the weakest of the build??

[tall torrent]

Try pairing with DB shotgun

[vapid nacelle]

Idk. The horde isn't great but it's been working well enough for me so far, just takes a bit longer

I'm just happy I can just, stab the big problems

I don't have to krak grenade or something

I can just, stab them

[mighty escarp]

@vapid nacelle As long as you arent going into a Auric Mael with a lot of modifiers, you'll be fine in any damnation with it (maybe a little bit more tricky on auric damn) but it will serve fine, there are better options, but its more important you have fun with it

[tall torrent]

Mine?
Strong point: you can fit a Rashad into a Boltgun build and both weapons hit their optimal breakpoints
Weak point: you don’t have a way to instantly recover toughness loss and you have to play more passive instead of frontline melee

[vapid nacelle]

I've been going into auric, I was hesitant for a bit but I think I've been doing well enough to not hold the team back

[mighty escarp]

keep improving

[tall torrent]

Try weapon specialist with DB shotgun, it covers anti-elite and horde nicely

[mighty escarp]

Ive seen people with shit builds go into auric and way out perform anyone going for optimal

[tall torrent]

If u enjoy super aggressive frontline high mobility playstyle it’s great

[mighty escarp]

Whats important is how well you know your build and using it fully to do your role

[vapid nacelle]

yeah no kidding.. I went in with a zealot with a knife running like 8 thousand miles ahead of us destroying everything and I don't care too much for running ahead of the team but being able to play that good at the game is something I don't think I can hope of reaching lol

[mighty escarp]

Seen enough optimal builds on people who end up being so fucking heavy through aurics that it slows the pace down considerably...

[vapid nacelle]

this one

[mighty escarp]

those are a dime a dozen, and its all luck

[vapid nacelle]

Like it was no contest

[tall torrent]

Also @fickle narwhal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=6705705f&is=67041edf&hm=62da90a6f59f43352a8b460c96fc76fbcb811e6ed7e665e4a327ce0f703c45e2&

[mighty escarp]

Keep in mind, the reason they do that is so they can hog those stats, when you see a knife zealot rushing far ahead, its because they most of the time want to pad their score.

Put them with the rest of the group and they rarely contribute

[vapid nacelle]

yeah, I wasn't really upset at all

[fickle narwhal]

I see thank u for the build looks promising i’m gonna try it right now

[vapid nacelle]

They went down on their own at one point and they were too far away to rescue so obviously actions have consequences lol

But still, it was a cool carry

[mighty escarp]

Learning your builds will always be 20x more useful, and being honest, a good 80% of the builds and stuff you find on this server and online arent the best to follow either

[vapid nacelle]

But yeah, the occasional people I see just doing double everyone's damage with like slab shield ogryn and stuff, while staying with the group, I hope to get at least a little closer to that at some point lol

[vapid nacelle]

I've just thrown together my own usually with the occasional "hey does this look ok"

the one I've been making work at the moment

with Needle 4 + Laspistol

[mighty escarp]

Usually when I create builds, you want to answer three questions

1. How do you handle the bulwark horde
2. How do you handle the gunner swarm
3. How do you handle the horde

Those should be the top 3 things you need to answer in your build, and you cant do all of them optimally, one of them will end up being on the weaker end. I usually focus more on the horde clear because the horde is what normally results in the wipe

[vapid nacelle]

That's actually kind of interesting, for me it always ends up being the opposite

The horde of like 50 thousand ragers/ogryns or gunners wipes us but the hordes are almost never the issue

which is why I'm running Dueling + Pistol to cover both as much as I possibly can

Smoke for more aid against shooters, Shout to help generally and to knock down all the armored elites that charge in

Just whatever I could put together that seemed to help the cause

and so far it's been the vet build that's worked out the most for me. And trust me the +112 means nothing in the corner, I am garbage at this class lol

[mighty escarp]

Vet belive it or not, plays more of the support class for the group

[vapid nacelle]

I have noticed that, and I like playing supports so it's perfectly okay with me

[mighty escarp]

you can make it offense, but vet has extremely powerful support to keep the group functioning

[vapid nacelle]

Sometimes the best way to support the group is to just eliminate the big bad in front of you that the rest of the team can't though

I've mained Psyker for the longest time so I'm now revisiting the others

[mighty escarp]

looking at your build...mmmm

[vapid nacelle]

I'm assuming that's a "not great" mmmm

[mighty escarp]

Its more the points on the bottom right tree, the 4 you are using there, does it actually help you?

[vapid nacelle]

I think they do, I have Agile so I'm spamming the dodge a lot so Reciprocity is almost always at 5, and the extra melee crit/finesse has been scoring me kills I'm not sure I could get otherwise

At the very least the tons of crit has been significantly helping with hordes

The toughness is just kinda there

I have a high number addiction so when I see a high toughness / toughness damage reduction node I instinctively want to take it if I have the point lol

If there's something better to drop that for I'll gladly do it

just a force of habit thing

[weak cape]

I blocked this guy but wanted to share. This guy wouldn't respond to anything I said in voice so when I was netted I spammed pings because there was a bomber next to me about to set me on fire. And he literally just let me die. He was also running a stealth vet and played like ass.

[mighty escarp]

but your normally meleeing with the group right?

[vapid nacelle]

Usually, yeah

Or at least trying to

Not all teammates are... reliable 😐

but I try to stay with the group as much as possible to get as much ammo and toughness spread

and everything else, y'know

support vet stuff

[mighty escarp]

whats the other blessing on your dueling?

[vapid nacelle]

My favorite kind of teammate

[weak cape]

I wouldn't even be mad if he was carrying. I don't love ping spam either but it definitely gets my attention on whatever they want me to focus on.

[mighty escarp]

ah uncanny

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

Just for as much "fuck you armored patrol" insurance as I can get

[weak cape]

I want a good dueling sword on my zealot and vet so damn bad.

[vapid nacelle]

I see Uncanny constantly mentioned for Dueling Sword so I figured it wouldn't be a bad choice

I always see it

[mighty escarp]

ah some things are making sense...

[vapid nacelle]

Feel free to let me have it if I went wrong somewhere, I listen to all input

[mighty escarp]

If the goal is to use dueling to handle hordes with the group while supporting the team with covering fire with laz pistol...whats the las have?

[vapid nacelle]

Laspistol also being my monstrosity killing weapon of course

[zinc surge]

would anyone know which mod puts crosshairs on iron sights like this pretty please?

when you aim ads

[hearty panther]

u just draw it on ur screen with a sharpie

[mighty escarp]

how often are you swapping between your las and dueling?

[vapid nacelle]

Depends on the situation

I don't really constantly swap unless there's just a series of threats happening forcing me to

Surprise gunners out of nowhere into sudden melee specialists or something like that, idk a group of muties

But overall not really a lot, I'm using one weapon for one situation and the other weapon for the other

[mighty escarp]

Id probably go weapon specialist then

[vapid nacelle]

You think it'd be more worth than yellow tag?

[junior grail]

Don't quote me but I think Crosshair Remap

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword is much better than laspistol for that

[zinc surge]

thank you ill take a look!

[mighty escarp]

the issue is more that yellow tag is slowing you down more

hell I wouldnt even go survialist, you dont need the ammo for this

[vapid nacelle]

right I should've clarified a little further on that lol, this build was kind of a take on recreating Witch Hunter Captain from Vermintide 2 and I went with Survivalist just to sell the support a little more

That's also why yellow tag, WHC has bonuses on tagged enemies

but I can make a separate build for all this too

3 slots I'm not using so might as well

[mighty escarp]

being liberal with your build, Id probably build more like this

This is what it will change

[fading yarrow]

I have taken the +3 Stam and Sprint Efficiency pill
My knife Vet is zooming like he's never zoomed before

[mighty escarp]

1. You will lose the toughness regen when you are by yourself, but since you are more melee centric, you'll be more often gathering toughness with your team.
2. You lose the damage gain from Focus target, but the amount you are providing isnt enough to be as valuable as the gain you get just from your own output. By moving to weapon specialist, your crit chance will basically double, gain more dodge power and your gun gains faster attack and higher crit chance, allowing you to proc Infernus more frequently
3. Because weapon specialist provides toughness bonuses to your ally, anytime you are switching between your weapons due to melee specialist, all your allies will gain an additional toughness boost around you
4. Melee specialist will give your dodge more speed and power, allowing you to make further use out of agile and your Repro, so you gain your crit faster and more safely.

In the end, you gain more melee weapon speed, making it more on par with how zealots use their dueling swords, which will make the horde clear on it MUCH more effective

In the end, you'll lose nothing from those other slots, as these ones are more in tune with how you play

you'll basically become a toughness battery for your allies

[vapid nacelle]

I like the sound of all of that, I'll give it a shot

[zinc surge]

it was Crosshair Remap and using the Rapid Fire crosshair thank you!

[vapid nacelle]

Have to admit I've never used weapon specialist before 😅 it's gonna be a new experience for me

[mighty escarp]

it plays the same way you are playing now, except supports it

[vapid nacelle]

Also is Invigorated important? I feel like I just about never have Stamina issues

Is it useful for something in particular that I'm not putting 2 and 2 together on

which happens a lot

[mighty escarp]

plus it will make it so you dont have to reload as often as when you have to fight and switch to ranged, it will do a small reload for you automatically

Its specifically for when you need to dodge spam to hit far ranged enemies you cant charge into (bombers, flamers, dogs) so it if you are in trouble, that swap immediately replensishes 1-2 dodges for you so you dont get caught

[vapid nacelle]

Stamina regen replenishes dodges?

or am I confused

[mighty escarp]

not dodges, stamina, so you can dodge or slide backwards

its mainly a backup plan in case the situation happens where things get too heavy and you need that extra burst to reposition

[vapid nacelle]

makes sense

I guess there's no harm trying with and without it too right? and seeing the impact firsthand vs without

[mighty escarp]

Dash into a fight, kill the melee, a bomber is heard, you need to reposition, finish off a group, swap to gun, replenish your stamina immediately so you can get a burst of speed, take out the threat, go back to what you were doing

[vapid nacelle]

Gotcha

I think this is really showing just how much I might be doing wrong lol

[mighty escarp]

after you kill the bomber with your melee, when you swap back, you gain melee specialist again, restoring another 20% stam, allowing you to immediately sprint to your next location or fight, it basically rewards you for playing more like an action hero

[vapid nacelle]

Makes sense to me

Alright, I'll take this into a game and see how much I can make use of it

Thanks again :D

[mighty escarp]

npo

[vapid nacelle]

One last question

if I end up not liking Invigorated too much, where would you suggest I put the last point?

Testing in the psykhanium and this already feels significantly better than it did before numbers wise though

[mighty escarp]

Skirmisher if you want extra damage running from pack to pack
Suppression immunity so you can line up your shots better during a fight with shooters
Demolition team will make your zealots and ogryn extremely happy

[vapid nacelle]

I was short of one shotting the unarmored gunners by like 40 damage before but now I can one shot them

[vapid nacelle]

Doesn't Demolition Team only affect the Veteran now?

[mighty escarp]

for your smoke grenades, so you dont ever need to pick them up and they can horde them

[vapid nacelle]

ah ok, that's fair

I don't spam mine so I thought I was missing something lol

[mighty escarp]

its meant so you can

[vapid nacelle]

makes sense to me

[mighty escarp]

you can go demo stockpile too if you dont want to leave it up to chance

[vapid nacelle]

I think I'd go with stockpile for that yeah

I get the idea either way

[mighty escarp]

you'll always have a smoke for every fight, so shooters will always be under smoke

[vapid nacelle]

I appreciate all of this a lot though, thank you 🙂

[mighty escarp]

and with tinkerer, that smoke lasts much much longer

glad to assist

[vapid nacelle]

I suppose I'll come back here if it goes well

[clear lantern]

naming themselves at the megalomaniacal villain of Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn hahaha; that dude it at least in their 30s.

[fading yarrow]

Should I change up the blessings on my knife? It feels good as is but I can't help but feel like I'm not using it to its full potential

[austere mica]

Please do not the combat ability regen

[orchid hemlock]

I dont know what is best on knife anymore on vet let me check

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-dont-think-will-gif-21178108

[austere mica]

3.6 seconds

[fading yarrow]

Combat Ability Regen has treated me very well

[austere mica]

When has 3.6 seconds mattered that much