veteran-class

[somber axle]

Specials are enemies that only ever spawn

[torn root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies?type=ELITE

[somber axle]

If you found them walking out in the open it's probably an elite

if you found them walking out of a door it's probably a special

though sometimes elites do spawn in behind doors too

[wet ether]

p sword mk 6 what final perk should i use

[radiant chasm]

Martyrdom requires you to lose hp for empty wounds for most value, blazing piety is just busted self sustain on right side nodes, and BLO on ogryn is a whole mess

[torn root]

basically specialists always have an audio queue or in case of snipers a visual -- every other non chaff is elite

[radiant adder]

Which devil claw sword is best?

[somber axle]

snipers have that funny audio queue exclusive to sniper gauntlet stuff with the crackling radio static

[tall torrent]

I think MF doesn't do the weakspot hit gimmick well enough, that's just my opinion

[radiant chasm]

Whatever keystone comes out it will have a gimmick

[somber axle]

I wish they'd make it universal

it's a fun sound

[gray nebula]

for relics should I go all 3 with +17% toughness or throw a health in there too?

[torn root]

carapace, weakspot damage -- pretty sure the weakspot damage multi carries over through the cleave

[tall torrent]

get >200 health and 20% sniper resist, everything else up to u

[tall torrent]

elite + maniac is the best for general breakpoints

carapace doesn't change what elite already accomplishes

[torn root]

elite and weakpoint is the same value

[tall torrent]

maniac gives mutant 1hs

[torn root]

why wouldnt you just take the one with a braoder target range

[wet ether]

@torn root remember this from yesterday

its why i ask

[tall torrent]

which breakpoint does weakspot change

[radiant chasm]

Weakspot varies too much to be a general suggestion

As in the finesse mods on the weapons

[torn root]

okay but then still maniac then weakspot, elite is not hitting as mant targets and for the BP on mutant you still have the hit the weakpoint

same value

lmao

[radiant chasm]

Usually there is always an armor or 10% elite/specialist BP to hot instead

[torn root]

okay again i state

elite and weakspot both give 10%

[tall torrent]

elite changes dmg vs every elite enemy including crushers, and it gets u the same 2 hit as carapace does

[torn root]

weakspot is wider range

[radiant chasm]

Elite gives 10 to the whole hit

10 weakspot is only to the bonus damage

[tall torrent]

weakspot is +10% W.fns

[torn root]

and you are always aiming at the head for the BP

[radiant chasm]

That is drastically different

[tall torrent]

weakspot doesn't make ur weakspot hit go x1.1

[torn root]

if you arent hitting the head you arent reaching any BP regardless

[tall torrent]

it makes the "bonus dmg through hitting weakspot, compared to base dmg" go x1.1

[radiant chasm]

10% elites/specialists and 25% armor will do more than 10% weakspot in every testing scenario

On the matching targets

This gap widens drastically on low finesse weapons as well

Mutie BP take maniac or even spec over weakspot

[torn root]

okay aside from the screw up tho you ARE hitting the break point regardless

[radiant chasm]

Fhhdhshs

[broken gazelle]

power cycler + ??? for power sword these days?
🤔

[radiant chasm]

What do you mean

[radiant chasm]

Brutal momentum or sunder

[tall torrent]

brutal momentum / sunder

[torn root]

I guarentee you i can 1 shot a mutie right now with weak point Maniac if i swap

im already only like 200 off

lmao

[broken gazelle]

sunder huh. Oke.

[radiant chasm]

Theb you go maniac specialist tho idk why the mutie bp is being fixated here

[tall torrent]

does weakspot give u the same crusher 2hs

[torn root]

yes

[tall torrent]

ok go for it

[radiant chasm]

Like u can use it but weakspot and crit damage is not the same damage increase as elites/specs it sucks but that is how fatshark coded

[torn root]

and with weakpoint its just coverage especially for hoards

effective on monsters too

[radiant chasm]

Does it give a bp tho?

And if you want to damage monstros unyielding is better

[torn root]

getting a BP for muties on PS is low key troll

[tall torrent]

no I meant
does ur weakspot + maniac power sword still 2 hit crusher

[torn root]

the only BP psword should care about is legit crushers

[tall torrent]

because if that doesn't 2 hit, ur better off with elite + maniac

[torn root]

if i swapped to BM yes

[tall torrent]

ok ig ur better off with elite + maniac

lol

[torn root]

nah on sunder im keeping cara weakspot, im not fretting over muties

got a gun for that

[tall torrent]

actually

yea u don't need maniac if u run sunder

sunder's heavy atk +20% dmg already sends u over that breakpoint

lol

[torn root]

^

[gray nebula]

alright guys thanks so much for the help so far, nearly done, what recon lasgun do you recommend of the 3? And what perks/blessings?

[thorny gorge]

Im tired of my troll knife, what am i supposed to run if i dont have serrated blade

Blessing wise

[radiant chasm]

Uncanny plus riposte imo

Maybe precog if you going down commando

So you got recip and the other melee node

[rain badger]

What the fuck.
Is that just a light + heavy?

[torn root]

except i have no aim so i am still double swiping on dodge

[torn root]

no

bash attack light 1

[rain badger]

Yeah. Thats what I meant.
Redonk

[thorny gorge]

[tribal tangle]

Played a game earlier... what did bro mean by this?

[rain badger]

This update has revived the game for me so hard.

[thorny gorge]

I was waiting to dump hours once this update dropped

Now ima nolife this game

[radiant chasm]

Cleave maxing

[thorny gorge]

I really didn't enjoy endgame with the locks

[rain badger]

I no lifed it when it came out. I remember spending like 8hrs on the vet penance where you had to use all ammo and get 100% accuracy

[radiant chasm]

You can’t no life this update

You max everything so fast

[thorny gorge]

Idc about that

I wanna get my streaks going with builds i actually like

[torn root]

psykhanium simulator on lock

[rain badger]

Devs - “locks are engaging, we are never gonna unlock everything!”
Also Devs - “enjoy your perfect tuned weapon now.”

[gray nebula]

recommended perks/blessings for this lasgun?

[thorny gorge]

Infernus insted of salvo

[orchid hemlock]

here we go again

[torn root]

no

[rain badger]

[torn root]

i think we need to let this one rock

[radiant chasm]

I dont remember recon marks

[thorny gorge]

Infernus-headhunter or deathspitter-dumdum

[torn root]

yall already had to read me bitch about a non issue

lmao

will say probably change the mark to 12 tho

they others feel ''bad''

[radiant chasm]

If you got the fast shooting mark you want infernus headhunter for ammo efficiency, infernus dum dum and crit talents for burn damage output and deathspitter dum dum for damage on the cleaving mark

[thorny gorge]

Tje cleave one is cool

[torn root]

theres one with CLEAVE?!

[thorny gorge]

The XIV

[rain badger]

When did a recon do 141?

[radiant chasm]

It’s not a lot but yea it cleaves

[thorny gorge]

That's the XIV for ya

[torn root]

oh eeeh it still feels meh

it cleave 1 dude

thats not bad

[thorny gorge]

Is nice with dumdum setup

[torn root]

well since i have been sitting brok in the test room

[thorny gorge]

And deathspitter should interact with it

[torn root]

guess which set up im stuck on

hehe

[thorny gorge]

Fast one?

[torn root]

well no the blessings

can swap marks for free

[thorny gorge]

Oh yeah

[thorny gorge]

Your stuck with infernus right?

[torn root]

yeah

im ''appreciating'' it

[thorny gorge]

Wanna play in a bit lmao

[torn root]

sure, carry me?

too broke to play well

[thorny gorge]

Heresy for some quick bucks?

Or I can hop on my zealot if you wanna do damns

[torn root]

damnation or nothing!

[thorny gorge]

Oh wait

[torn root]

wont put you through auric hell

[thorny gorge]

I can do my infernus

Its set up right atm

[tame lodge]

It's 3 cleave

[torn root]

realized i was shooting into scab

[thorny gorge]

Hey kuro

[torn root]

oy?

?!

if its an exploit im staying far away from it

fair gamer right here

[thorny gorge]

Idk whats going with it

[regal smelt]

yeah ill carry you...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/219548028460072960/1291174099774603294/You_Are_This_Guy.gif?ex=6703c056&is=67026ed6&hm=63a78fcc1b90a5dc468d6044458b67313a1b01360c7e76fab2c5889cf735b93e&

[torn root]

YO IS THAT GAME FUN?!

how much water did you get?!

[regal smelt]

i cant run it so I just make clips of my friends getting slammed

[torn root]

lmao

[regal smelt]

you can see the discord livestream in top right corner of the gif and im so disappointed

[torn root]

i wanna get the game but im gunna wait just a little bit longer

[regal smelt]

definitely a big wait. not much of a shooter yet, and if your looking into more of a hardcore pve shooter with some boys you get GTFO

[torn root]

im in the server lmao

got about 4 run downs left to complete

love the masks

[regal smelt]

i got tons to do since my boys are too busy being deployed

only did like half of old r6 and full new r1

[torn root]

damn hope they are well, i know how it feels having buds on deployment

[rain badger]

What mod adds the color text?

[torn root]

idk if they have a mod pack but you can download those individually maybe

they highlight diff aspects as well as go into details on blessings and talents

and having the terms color coded helps a lot

[ocean idol]

What is good melee weapon for melee focused build?

[torn root]

any melee vets?
XD

[ocean idol]

well third column pretty much all melee focused talents, so

[fiery moss]

My plasma vet alternates between middle and right column

Just to get some quality hack n slash in since you can't plasma your way through everything if there's another vet in the team competing for ammo

[supple stag]

Rashad, Power Sword, Dueling Sword or Knife will do

[torn root]

yeah im not sure what to answer because i dip into all 3 columns, i know some ppl like melee specialist

[wet ether]

i miss the old survivalist

[torn root]

and apparently you can get away with just dipping into desperado

[torn root]

stock piles of ammo son!

[wet ether]

what you mean?

[digital cairn]

Power sword III.

Duelling sword IV I hear is good now for vet

Shovel (either one with the foldover special)

Knife is still good

[fiery moss]

Weapons Specialist is goated if you switch melee/ranged a lot though

[torn root]

the old survivalist gave you non stop ammo back

[ocean idol]

why 5 and not 4?

[digital cairn]

Typo lol

DS IV

[wet ether]

true hate the new survivalist

[supple stag]

Power Sword Mk. VI is better than 3

[ocean idol]

Well you need specific ranged weapons to make it good though

[fiery moss]

And then you pick up trench fighter and desperado on the way to weapons spec

[ocean idol]

Like either revolvers or plasma

[fiery moss]

yeah, I mentioned plasma above

[torn root]

for the power sword even with the 3 move set i think 6 is still better for melee

poke combo and head height sweeps

if not a slightly elitist take

that will be the one i have

[ocean idol]

Does Close Damage affect melee?

[wet ether]

nothing like chopping off heretic heads

[torn root]

iirc yes

[ocean idol]

i think power sword too annoying to turn on all the time if you focus on melee

[torn root]

close damage should be anything damaged from within 12.5m

[torn root]

yeah but the power mode itself is a saftey mechanism

[candid bridge]

what is the dump stat for plasma guns?

[torn root]

anything you actually hit and damage with it will be staggers save bulwarks and crushers

[fiery moss]

Special activation on power sword is really just saved for big hordes I need to clear fast

[ocean idol]

Are there any attack speed nodes?

[fiery moss]

trench fighter

[torn root]

i think finess is attack speed no?

[supple stag]

Trench Drill Fighter is the talent you grab for it

[torn root]

desperado?

[fiery moss]

10% attack speed increase

[supple stag]

Also activating melee specialist from keystone helps

[fiery moss]

Desperado is crit chance and finesse, not sure if finesse affects attack speed?

[ocean idol]

That's it?

[ocean idol]

no, of course it does not

[torn root]

nah finess gives light and heavy attack speed

[tall torrent]

No

[ocean idol]

finesse is headshot damage

[torn root]

does it not?

[tall torrent]

Finesse is bonus weakspot, critical & critical weakspot damage

[torn root]

diff from the weapon stat?

[tall torrent]

Only the “finesse” stat as part of a weapon’s stat distribution can impact attack speed

[ocean idol]

is Skirmisher useful?

[tall torrent]

No

[fiery moss]

yeah veteran doesn't really get much in the way of attack speed bonuses, mostly attack damage

[torn root]

unfortunate

see i dont melee enough

[fiery moss]

go trench fighter instead

[torn root]

ngl its an mlg weapon because it has cancles

[fiery moss]

mlg?

[tall torrent]

Shame power sword is just
Rashad lite

[torn root]

try hard

[ocean idol]

I made some weird build

[ocean idol]

why not both

[tall torrent]

Because skirmisher is just bad

[torn root]

you can cancle the shit out of the charge animation

[fiery moss]

your perk points can be better spent elsewhere

[torn root]

works for the 2 most important combos

even into the heavy hits

[tall torrent]

Don’t use exploit weakness, not worth

[fiery moss]

I don't find serrated blade and agile engagement super useful.. the latter because of my weapon swap speed not being fast enough to use it

[torn root]

best weapon cause its the most skill expressive

[fiery moss]

I'd go for On Your Toes at the keystone instead

20% toughness every 3s is so god damn good

[supple stag]

Serrated blade only really works for mercy killer knife loadout

[tawdry jackal]

Is cavalcade still worth using on boltgun for a magdump build or should I use shattering impact like the word doc says, combined with pinning fire

[fiery moss]

wait wtf LMAO this is hilarious

[orchid hemlock]

petition for fatshark to remove bleed from the game

because it baits soo many people

[torn root]

fighting game mechanics son!

[fiery moss]

how are you triggering the anim cancel? with block?

[ocean idol]

is Accatran still only good shotgun?

[torn root]

yes

[ocean idol]

what weapons you use?

[fiery moss]

plasma gun and power sword or rashad lol

or bolter and chainsword to feel like a fake space marine

[tame lodge]

If you only shot body then sort of yes

[ocean idol]

well thne of course you won't use, but i have quick swap

going either shotgun or revolver

[torn root]

when i learned that i could do this i never took the weapon off

[ocean idol]

or may be even las psitol

[ocean idol]

And if i headshot?

[tame lodge]

Agripina

[tall torrent]

cavalcade is still fine
u can run PF + cavalcade

[fiery moss]

But with those weapons then you might as well zealot

[tame lodge]

[torn root]

actually since we are talking about bolter

opinions on puncture?

[fiery moss]

it uses bleed

so

no

[tawdry jackal]

Gonna put it back on then

[torn root]

reeeeeeep!

[tawdry jackal]

Basically I’m trying to get my boltgun back to the point where it turbo fucks crushers

[fiery moss]

seriously lol

I could see bleed being nice if you're barely short of breakpoints

but

that's what your teammates are for

[torn root]

i think shattering impact cavalcade still works

i THINK

[fiery moss]

Or pinning fire>?

[tawdry jackal]

I used to run pinning fire/cavalcade. will test in psykhanium later

[ocean idol]

SHUT UP

[torn root]

can vet instant stack pinning fire with a grenade?

[fiery moss]

im interested to know lol

[torn root]

i ask because i know that chorus of dawn still stacks it, just not the same way it used to

its it just 1 stack or max

[ocean idol]

ah, i actually meant agripina, i confuised them because both have incidenary shots

wait what

nvm

in fact

i never used Agripina before...

[wet ether]

braced weapons are they good?

[ocean idol]

for close quarters spraying yes

[torn root]

good at add clear, bring a weapon to deal with non chaff

i hear rashad is good

waiting to finally try tht axe

[ocean idol]

I would take shovel

[fiery moss]

cant tell if trolling

[ocean idol]

???

[fiery moss]

rashad is so goated

[ocean idol]

And?

[fiery moss]

why would you take shovel over rashad

[torn root]

but if you go shovel how fast does that kill crushers/maulers?

i actually ask cause i dunno if i have ever heard of it clearing elites

[shadow dagger]

shovel is just the braindead easy pick honestly

[austere mica]

Anyone know the good tac axe variant or is there actual reasons to use specifc ones

[shadow dagger]

no need to drag camera for even average bromentum value with rashad

[torn root]

aaah, just the moveset?

[shadow dagger]

when you can just heavyspam with shovel instead

[torn root]

is it the one with the sweeps?

[shadow dagger]

i think its the mk7

[torn root]

either way i think the best experiens for players is usually 1 weap for adds and 1 for coverage

[shadow dagger]

the one thats just the default shovel except the special is actually useful(?)

[torn root]

only reason i recommended the rashad

i would LOVE to recommend PSword but thats not an easy weapon

and it loves cancles

i remember first using that shit -- non stop downs

until i realized i should be shoving and blocking more

[regal smelt]

i dont know how to get the caxes to work since they changed brutal momentum. not enough cleave to keep hordes staggered even with push attack spam

[torn root]

and then i learned to be a fighting game character

[fiery moss]

The fucking cancel is just so wild

[torn root]

HOURS

IT TOOK HOURS

THEY BETTER BE

[fiery moss]

because the clear on it with the power activation is just so good

literally on moebian 21st modifier missions I'm the only one actually killing shit usually with that

[torn root]

damn i wish i could have picked it up that fast

homie is just build different

[wet ether]

out of memory fat shark really needs to fix that shit

[fiery moss]

I haven't picked it up yet

lol

My timing is not anywhere nearlyt as fast as yours

[torn root]

bro you tryna fight

dont be sayin shit like that

i have a few things i like in this game XD

[wet ether]

what you mean that glitch is still here and its annoying as fuck

[torn root]

wait which glitch?

[vague osprey]

Rolled good on this weapon but now it shows NA in stats any idea about this glitch ?

[torn root]

photoshop OP

keep 100%

[wet ether]

out of memory ya know that bug

[torn root]

which bug?

[vague osprey]

It doesn't have 100 in testing

aka it's underperforming og stats

[torn root]

would keep it for the memes to see if the item card stays like that forever

[wet ether]

ok fuck you and stop trolling

[torn root]

XD

you leave my sword alone!

I aint spend hours learning this shit just for it to dissapear

god hands

[tall torrent]

power sword is basically rashad lite

unfortunately u actually need melee talents to make rashad shine

power sword needs almost no talent investment so it's easier to run for ranged builds

[thorny gorge]

If you use weapon customization you gotta reset game when you swap marks

[ocean idol]

way faster than with rashad

[tall torrent]

how

[ocean idol]

BEcause it literally kills crushers and mutants faster?

[tall torrent]

rashad kills in 2~3 hits

[ocean idol]

also may be maulers too

[torn root]

dude

[ocean idol]

that's a lie

[tall torrent]

no?????

[torn root]

rashad is legit like the 2nd fastest elite killer isnt it?

[tall torrent]

what did u put on ur rashad lol

[tall torrent]

2nd or 3rd

duelling sword & knife are faster

that's kind of it

[torn root]

yeah cause no duelling sword exists

[tall torrent]

and karsolas ig

karsolas (ogryn) is the rashad equivalent

[torn root]

oy dont spit on my sword

[fiery moss]

I think dueling sword struggles against ogryns

[torn root]

thats a .5 second kill on everything

[tall torrent]

power sword is really just rashad lite

[thorny gorge]

Should i go for precog or uncanny

[torn root]

duelling sword is 2-3 hits

2 if you crit

[tall torrent]

takes 2 hits

[fiery moss]

With a crit?

[tall torrent]

if u go uncanny/thrust, u don't

[fiery moss]

I've struggled to make duelling sword work against crushers

[torn root]

actually on vet im sure its 2 hits

[fiery moss]

oh interesting

[torn root]

SHOW ME THIS AXE NOW!

so i can cry about the hours i labbed

[torn root]

maybe not on a boss -- homie is over there playing hammer in monster hunter

wtf

[ocean idol]

Ehm, what? T-hammer is faster than both, plus chaxe with thrust is good at it too

[tall torrent]

For veteran specifically, it’s 2nd or 3rd

For zealot it’s still in the top 5

[frank basin]

How it execute in actual environments; like special enemy and trash mob around you?

[tall torrent]

In actual environment u kill everything

[frank basin]

It increase the ttk on plague ogryn

When you dealing some heretic around you

[tall torrent]

There aren’t many situations where u can’t just kill ur way out of with a Rashad

And i didn’t even use grenades

[frank basin]

20 second without undisruptive is nice

[tall torrent]

Only 1 ability use

[fiery moss]

Trash mob easily handled by lobbing nades at your feet

[frank basin]

We get some special unit on the way many them disrupting your killing monstrousity

[tall torrent]

do I rly gotta get on and record rashad 2-3 hit crusher rn

[ocean idol]

i really want friendly fire in this game 😦

[fiery moss]

I mean.. technically kinda works?

trash mob can't shoot at you

LOL

[frank basin]

Melee trash mob can find you

[fiery moss]

you just might not be able to move very much around because they're still bodyblocking

[frank basin]

Just gun mob can’t shoot you

[fiery moss]

yeah but your issue with a big boss is not the melee dudes, in fact the melee dudes are there to help you regen toughness

it's the ranged dudes

[frank basin]

I think zealot thunder hammer beat ttk on monstrosity over rashad

[fiery moss]

I would not be surprised by that

[tall torrent]

guide update

[fiery moss]

thammer is literally

[tall torrent]

[fiery moss]

delete monster

[tall torrent]

yea

but thunder hammer is not as good as rashad vs group elites

used to be way worse

[ocean idol]

Iron helm might be

[tall torrent]

now it's closer

[frank basin]

How you gonna deal flak group elite?

Mauler

[sleek garden]

why do i find so few veterans in my game

[tall torrent]

mauler is simple u bonk them, they're slow

hard part is rager

[sleek garden]

every time i get into an auric we have no veterans and the shooters make us pay

[frank basin]

Yeah group of elite

[fiery moss]

oh interesting, I didn't realize stagger reduces mass and cleave always ends on carapace

[tall torrent]

thunder hammers for some reason cannot break rager combo in 1 hit

[fiery moss]

that makes sense

[frank basin]

It is ironhelm or crucis?

To break combo

[tall torrent]

neither can

without empowering

u can't PA break rager combo

heavy sweep cannot

[frank basin]

Empowering? The crafting or blessing?

[tall torrent]

u need +stagger talents

[tall torrent]

press special to power up for big bonk

[frank basin]

Oh that

Charge attack

[fiery moss]

actually the stagger on this is goated

now that I'm noticing

lol

[tall torrent]

yea

[sleek garden]

that is some seriously tinny audio

[tall torrent]

u can stagger 2 with PA

with headtaker stack (1) u can stagger 3

[fiery moss]

that's probably discord compression for you

[torn root]

fuck me ragers are annoying

[fiery moss]

what's PA?

[frank basin]

Push attack

[fiery moss]

oh

[tall torrent]

yea

[sleek garden]

i try my best to shoot ragers before they get close

[tall torrent]

but with a rashad u can fight basically everything

[frank basin]

When I see group elite packing up, is time for me to drop the shredder

[tall torrent]

[fiery moss]

my answer to ragers: plasma

[tall torrent]

cadia wouldn't have fell if they had rashad

[torn root]

like 2 is managable but on the 3rd my brain shuts off

[fiery moss]

ragers in melee? dont care, plasma

[torn root]

saw me hesitate there?

[frank basin]

Mag dump bolt gun

[tall torrent]

plasma is actually pretty slow cuz u need 2 shots to kill them

[regal smelt]

they should make ragers undodgeable again

[tall torrent]

boltgun kills them faster

[torn root]

i also wasnt using BM tho

[tall torrent]

on power sword?

[fiery moss]

I've not had issues with tagging and headshots

[torn root]

thats an argument to run that frigin blessing

[torn root]

I am a sunder enjoyer

[tall torrent]

BM doesn't change performance vs small groups of ragers that much

[frank basin]

I swap sunder to thrust

Just see how it is

[tall torrent]

u innately have enough cleave to hit 3 dreg ragers with energized PS hits

[torn root]

yeah but i take Sunder for Mixed Hordes and boss fighting

i Do in fact use the heavies after the poke

gotta justify the cancles i practiced

[tall torrent]

just become a rashad enjoyer

[torn root]

NO

[tall torrent]

it's super easy to roll rn as well

[torn root]

ALL THE HOURS IN THE LAB

I CANT

[frank basin]

Rashun enjoyer

[tall torrent]

rashad used to be turbo difficult to roll

but rn half the weapons are just 4x80+60

and rashad dumps mobility

[torn root]

im also broke

[tall torrent]

so it's just super easy

[torn root]

waiting for someone to carry me

[tall torrent]

I can play if u want

I need resources too

[torn root]

broke aah boy

[tall torrent]

plasma bankrupted me

[torn root]

bet XD

[tall torrent]

5M dockets -> 3k

[frank basin]

Broke? You have 36k diamantine

[torn root]

i bought a 700k nerf gun

[torn root]

WHAT?!

[tall torrent]

yea plasma is just insane to roll

if u value ur sanity, don't

[torn root]

i started playing again 5 days ago at 136k

to be fair i did build up 2 brand new toons tho

[torn root]

value? sanity? not when i have the chance of housing a daemonette

slaaneshi in my darktide when?

[tall torrent]

I’ll add u

If ur on to play rn

[torn root]

i am

[tall torrent]

Actually give me like

Half an hr

[torn root]

ive got a few hrs

sure

literally been editing a guide since yall made me hard 2nd guess myself earlier

nah i play but after my sanity meter fell low building a damn nerf gun i have been on wait mode

legit the recon las gun was my most expensive roll probably wont be rolling like that for a while lmao

[shadow dagger]

i assume you mean pre update?

[torn root]

nah more than likely this update

cause plasma doesnt really want 4 80s

[shadow dagger]

compared to?

[torn root]

thermal res you want at 69%

for the max value

70% is fine

but yeah 70/70 is still hard to get in it's own right

fatshark created a new min max method but that shit expensive af

[tall torrent]

No, plasma is the hardest weapon to perfect roll in the game rn

[fiery moss]

I just went 60 thermal and consigned myself to venting a lot

[umbral scaffold]

plasma doesnt really have dump stats

[stable socket]

Is the rashad with a +10 percent melee node supposed to oneshot melee mobs with flak helmets (the bucket heads), with 0 headtaker stacks? Mine leaves them alive with a tiny sliver of hp (I think it does 693 or 698), possibly because my dump stat is 61

[shadow dagger]

what happened to altfire to make it worth using anywhere outside of crusher packs

[fiery moss]

ah well, just vent more I guess haha

[torn root]

what talents are you using, and what are your rolls

[shadow dagger]

havent been paying attention to balance patches

[fiery moss]

I usually vent almost immediately after shooting for at least one tick

unless I'm being swarmed

Throwback habit to psyker

[tall torrent]

1 headtaker stack isn’t that hard of a requirement, I think u need desperado if u want to 1HS without headtaker stacks tho

Also @torn root I can play now

[torn root]

send me an inv req!

[tall torrent]

Do u still need books for the event

[torn root]

i finished that on my 1st day back

we good

[tall torrent]

Oh lol

[torn root]

but it IS extra money

[tall torrent]

I sent u a friend request

Lemme restart my pc rq

[stable socket]

My talent tree is like this, and the game says my rashad's stats are 80 in all with 61 in mobility (which implies that I'm actually missing 1% from a damage-related stat)

I'm not sure if the extra 1% will get me to the oneshot though

[shadow dagger]

so whats the difference between 60 and whatever the new best charge rate now

is it even worth trying to minmax 10%

[torn root]

1 shot every like 6%?

[spiral dew]

Hi team. I've been using search, but I can't find ideal perks for plasma. I've gone between flak + maniac, carapace + flak, and carapace + maniac and not totally satisfied with any of them.

What are other peoples' experiences?

[torn root]

some shit like that

just know at 69% thats the BP for 8 shots

[tall torrent]

It’s around 8.5% firerate difference

[tall torrent]

Unarmored/elite + flak/maniac

[fiery moss]

flak to make sure you hit breakpoints

[torn root]

oh im dumb i didnt see charge rate lmao

i might be cooked

[fiery moss]

And then elite

[tall torrent]

Unarmored is actually nice

[fiery moss]

what are you hitting with unarmored?

[tall torrent]

Gives u Dreg gunner 1HS without superiority complex
And allows u to 1 bodyshot Tox bomber

[fiery moss]

ohhh

[tall torrent]

Which I think is a huge plus because fuck Tox bombers

[fiery moss]

Dreg gunner is always annoying to not oneshot

and yeah

[torn root]

on god

i have been freaking out every time i hear them recently

[tall torrent]

Also I’m on rn

[fiery moss]

I'm surprised unarmored gives you 1 hit kills but + elite doesn't?

since dreg gunner is an elite no?

[torn root]

ever been toxed cant see shit then accidently blow up a flamthrower?

[torn root]

1 sec i ran out of memory had to restart

[fiery moss]

toxed, can't see shit, and then <X> really

lol

where X is getting jumped by dog, hit by mutant or trapper

[torn root]

oh nah

[fiery moss]

or whatever

like not being able to see shit is so bad

[torn root]

yesterday i watched an ogryn get bullied

[fiery moss]

when my buddies want to play the lights out modifier I'm like no thanks

[torn root]

tossed by a mutie, into a snipe then dogged

best moment of a failed run

[fiery moss]

lmao

[torn root]

almost done loading!

[spiral dew]

so something like elite + flak then?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored/elite + flak/maniac

[fiery moss]

yeah but I'd also try @tall torrent suggestion of + unarmored instead of + elite

[torn root]

i dont see a friend req 😦

[tall torrent]

Warden

[spiral dew]

Will unarmored + flak still pop crusher heads though? That's why I had carapace in the first place

[torn root]

OD XD

will note right now

braincells atm = 0

best of luck lad

[spiral dew]

also, I'm blindly trusting that Rising Heat is good, but can someone explain what it actually does?

[fiery moss]

you want to go blaze away and gets hot actually

Gets Hot means you're literally critting for stupid damage all the time

[spiral dew]

That's what I had, but rising heat is new and I read a recent post that it's the new meta

[fiery moss]

Blaze away is just so good

[spiral dew]

figured I'd give it a shot, but performance felt similar

[tawdry jackal]

I noticed if you pause while firing it stops the build up

Like even momentarily

Sometimes I like to space out my shots or slow down to adjust aim

[fiery moss]

yeah, but you can charge and hold charge and it'll count as firing

[tawdry jackal]

The thing I’ve been told never to do

Yeah that’s not a valid counter argument imo. Like good to know but in practice

Lmfao

Ayy lmao

[fiery moss]

you can delete ogryns with charged shots

[tawdry jackal]

NEVER CHARGE YOUR SHOTS THE HEAT IS NOT WORTH IT; this channel

And also the players in the discord VC

I’m so confused now

[fiery moss]

🤷 Swapping blessings is dockets only, try them all and see which you like better

[spiral dew]

I likely will at some point, but I mostly want to be able to put down crusher/mauler packs fast with this weapon. That's job 1, everything else is nice to have imo

[umbral scaffold]

its good against a crusher of if you crit max with charge blessings

[tawdry jackal]

Ok cool I can live with that

[fiery moss]

Single crusher/mauler is charged shot headshot

Pack of them is blaze away spamming

[tawdry jackal]

I’m usually encountering groups

[fiery moss]

most of the time my team is running away in disarray anyways

no time to charge and headshot

lol

[regal smelt]

I just use the charge like a wind up heavy when im engaging only 1 or 2

[tawdry jackal]

Gonna start carrying Krak grenades again

Did shredders for a bit to be efficient with talent usage

[fiery moss]

I run frag instead of krak

[tawdry jackal]

Now I’m kinda like nah

[spiral dew]

assuming I will take the advice and switch back to blaze away, does anyone know what rising heat does though? What is 'scaling' in this context?

[fiery moss]

according to reddit, power

[spiral dew]

kinda mad at the fatshark team for adding a blessing with a new term without explaining what it does

[tawdry jackal]

I understood rising heat when googling around to synergize well with gets hot

Run hot hit harder

I could be wrong tho

[spiral dew]

rising heat + gets hot feels pretty similar to blaze away + gets hot, fwiw.

[regal smelt]

base shredders without regen are nice for revives. if someone complains you're taking nades as a vet you tell them to stop going down

[fiery moss]

Just take a plasma gun and add the blessing and test it

[stable socket]

(from the pinned guide, r.str is ranged strength)

[umbral scaffold]

i use power blast and gets hot

[spiral dew]

fear FS, please add blessing 'testing' to the meat grinder. thx

[tawdry jackal]

Doesn’t blaze away hit harder per shot?

[stable socket]

if you chain the shots, yeah

it's 8-16-24-32-40 str for chained shots

(idk if the first shot always gets 8 or whether it's actually 0-8-16-24-32-40, but i hope it's the former)

[mortal wharf]

Just popping in Vet chat to say: Holy shit, the original shovel kinda slaps

[umbral scaffold]

oh yeah

[mortal wharf]

I was just playing to level masteries, but it might be my go to Vet melee

You also get Uncanny Strike now so you can slowly bonk down crushers and monstrosites

[stoic hound]

Hello,
Does anyone know if Onslaught talent stacks share the same cap as the shattering impact/thunderous blessings ?

[stable socket]

After some testing I can say that getting another rashad with 60% dump stat instead of 61% does not help me hit the oneshot breakpoint on the bucketheads - RIP plasteel

[spiral dew]

how did you set yours up?

[mortal wharf]

As far as perks and blessings?

[spiral dew]

yep

[mortal wharf]

I just went Maniac Flak, but I think Unarmored over maniac would be good too

for blessings Decimator and then either Uncanny Strike or Skullcrusher depending on the ranged weapon

[idle swallow]

If your ranged is confidently anti armor then the munitorum shovel is a very nice weapon to use

[pearl sapphire]

My loadout despises armor, I’ve got a bolt pistol, dueling saber, and kraks, no crusher shall pass

[tall torrent]

@torn root gg, that’s it for me

[torn root]

was half passed out lmao ty for the carries sir, i think at one point i stopped moving, my bad

[tall torrent]

Nah u did well

[tawny badger]

shovel heavy sound

[minor iron]

which combat shotgun is worth using? trying to level them now and it just feels rough

[floral seal]

I've been using the Mark VII and just spamming slugs

its not bad

[full kettle]

I didn’t know there were builds

[ember basin]

i love the agri revolver

wish it got more cleave

[frank basin]

I run exe stance with it

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-mcree-high-noon-its-high-noon-blizzard-gif-13496300

[ember basin]

ya, that what i run

i run stealth before the new update because i only got a so-so agg revolver, maniac flak with crit on less ammo and rending blessing

but with the new update i can upgrade it and it been a god send. As long as something is within my line of sight, monster, elite, special they all die within 5 bullet.

it was so cool running through a high shock gauntlet maelstrom with it, but it feel super bad running anything with less special

[trim steppe]

1 mil 🎉

[gloomy tide]

devil claw -- ideal blessings?

[tough tiger]

rampage and wrath?

[junior grail]

Question, is Double Barrel Shotgun on Vet viable for Auric?

Been a while since I played this game

[tough tiger]

just dont shoot at crushers with it

anything up to a mauler will die to a double blast

[junior grail]

Even Vets armour pen talents dont help?

[tall torrent]

No, bring a melee weapon that deals carapace smg

[junior grail]

Aight thankies

[pastel zealot]

which mark on recon lasgun is the better choice?

running headhunter + infernus

[hidden fulcrum]

eeerm howd you manage that

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[hidden fulcrum]

lol

[pastel zealot]

_<

[hidden fulcrum]

teach me orcka whale

[orchid hemlock]

teach u what?

[fading yarrow]

Finally got a second 17% Toughness Curio

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

Are all the buffs additive? With two 17% Toughness Curios and 5% Toughness on all three Curios, do I have 49% extra Toughness overall or is there weird math to it?

[placid portal]

+9 stamina or bust

Parry the world

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-parry-parry-gif-17766572258316137524

[oblique totem]

It's possible to get +10 stamina I think

[crimson pebble]

w one of the tree nodes yea

[fading yarrow]

Zoomer slang is corrupting me

I read "w" as "win" instead of "with"

[silent cloud]

What is the meaninf of “Stopping Power”

Does it influence damage ?

[tall torrent]

Armor-related damage & stagger

Get 80%

[silent cloud]

Thanks

Is this proved? By testing damage?

Little bit curious

[tall torrent]

Yea

U can inspect the weapon to see what it does

[frank basin]

+12; from the weapon perk

[ember basin]

should i dump damage on the combat knife?

[austere mica]

NO

WHY

[ember basin]

mobility is more fun, first target and finesse seem to influence damage more than damage stat

[austere mica]

There are two weapons that dump damage

[thorny gorge]

[austere mica]

and they are both flamethrowers

[ember basin]

well, what to dump?

[austere mica]

If you really want the minimal benefits from an extra 20% mobility, penetration

It gets entirely patched over by uncanny

[nocturne stratus]

good blessings for bolter?

[frank basin]

Surgical and pining fire

[nocturne stratus]

best perks?

[frank basin]

Flak and maniac

[frank basin]

Or shatter impact over surgical if you bursting firing on carapace enemy like crusher

[placid portal]

Slap Unyielding and gun down the Monsters

[frank basin]

There is specific built depend

Some build aim toward the specialist killer and human sized threat over bosses

[nocturne stratus]

is there a good guide to vet like the Ogryn guide?

[frank basin]

Or boss killing weapon like unyielding and carapace

Probably this I think

[placid portal]

Boltpistol is too damn savage, the bash into the shot combo is peak rogue trader thuggery

Can't hold my boltgun after using the boltpistol

[wet ether]

you know i call it like i see it and i called a psyker useless last game because they didn't revive me they were free to revive me no enemies around or anything but just left me to die lol

[tawny badger]

enough stamina to run for 1 additional second w/ the bolter

[wet ether]

And I was proven right blasted idiot was vacuuming up all the ammo

[frank basin]

Ammo devourver

King of bullet eater

That person eat like watermelon and spit bullet

[wet ether]

idiot was using smite and that psyker scream whatever the hell its called

[frank basin]

There was case someone told a veteran being cold and sadistic to teammate being pinned or netted it leave them there like telling “your fault not dodging it so you take that punishment”

[frank basin]

Scrier gaze psyker?

Or skriek venting

[wet ether]

shriek thats what the idiot was using

[frank basin]

Shriek useful staggering trash mob

Also vent all peril when max high

For half

[austere mica]

Or the soulblaze overstacking

[wet ether]

but using a gun also....

memory serves me correctly it was the braced autogun

[frank basin]

I love braced autogun

My graia favorite

If the psyker using agripinna the slow and heavy hitting

Is fine

But eat ammo faster

Than graia

[wet ether]

it was fast firing

[short sedge]

the emperor gives his silliest sparkheads to his most angriest cadian

[oblique totem]

It's true

[frank basin]

Graia is okay unless he keep brace and eat everything.

That be problematic

If he use ranged weapon all time
And no melee it be ammo ineffectiveness

Veteran with always prepared ammo Reserve boost help extended longer consumption ammo

[wet ether]

it was a psyker using the braced autogun remember that

said it eaelier

[frank basin]

Yeah if he not brace the graia every time

It slow down eating ammo

I think that psyker did brace it

Missed most shot

[molten hound]

is there any reason to not use combat knife

i just cant think of one

[frank basin]

Nah

Combat knife with uncanny strike good armor killing

[wet ether]

i use the power sword over the combat knife

[molten hound]

i guess shovel and power sword immediately deal with hordes better

[tall torrent]

Very high talent point cost for veteran

[molten hound]

sorta

[frank basin]

Specially run WS with it I think

[tall torrent]

Knife costs an insane amount of points to feel good to play on vet

[molten hound]

you should take reciprocity and desperado regardless though

imo

[tall torrent]

It’s not just those two

[molten hound]

maybe not needed for power sword

thats all you really need

[frank basin]

Exploit their weakness make little better

[tall torrent]

Stamina related things

[wet ether]

bahhh i never take reciprocity

[molten hound]

what?

that talent is so good

[frank basin]

Reciprocity dodging good for knife

[tall torrent]

For a power sword it’s kind of whatever lol

[frank basin]

I don’t have reciprocity on power sword

I spent all point for plasma build

[molten hound]

yeah you dont need it for power sword but i would take it for almost every build

[tall torrent]

Everything that’s not power sword, yea

[molten hound]

pretty good even on shovel

[wet ether]

p sword is on every build that i use 😄

[frank basin]

Crazy

[tall torrent]

Have y considered Rashad

[molten hound]

i havent tried heavy sword or devils claw but im guessing its good on those two as well

[frank basin]

Show him your rashad video killing plague ogryn

[thorny gorge]

ight hammer

ima try out dumdum and deathspitter

can i use the XII mark

[nocturne mulch]

You mean didnt brace it?

Graia is more accurate when braced

[wet ether]

i use dum dum and stripped down combo that withduck and dive

[thorny gorge]

this is what i got

[frank basin]

In close range, if that psyker shoot afar away on braced would be unnecessary

[thorny gorge]

what should i chage the crit chance too again?

[frank basin]

Medium range find

[ember basin]

at 60%, i lose 3 point of damage, it seem i can dump both damage and mobility to 60

[tall torrent]

Yea

[frank basin]

FS never round the damage up to perfect number

[tall torrent]

I run flak instead of unyielding

[frank basin]

Some people with OCD have bad with it

[thorny gorge]

better for maulers?

[nocturne mulch]

At any range

[tall torrent]

More generally applicable

[frank basin]

You every try shoot sniper 40m away with graia braced auto?

[nocturne mulch]

Yes

[frank basin]

Did you land a hit?

[nocturne mulch]

Bracing it makes it accurate

[frank basin]

Like continuing firing spread it out

[nocturne mulch]

It is not like the other 2 braced autoguns

[thorny gorge]

what should i swap out crit chance for on my knife

[frank basin]

Burst firing make more accurate shot

[thorny gorge]

elite or carapace

[tall torrent]

I run carapace and 2 stamina lol

Riposte + precog

[frank basin]

Sprint efficiency

[thorny gorge]

rip

i threw on uncanny

[tall torrent]

Uncanny is too good

[frank basin]

Killing crusher is easily

[thorny gorge]

like fs forgot to nerf good?

[frank basin]

Your knife is made of Adamantine steel

[tall torrent]

U can still 3~4 hit crusher without uncanny because knife’s crit scaling is just insane

[thorny gorge]

[tall torrent]

Rending should not ever be that high

[thorny gorge]

uncanny precog?

together>

[frank basin]

Can a knife easily duel with power sword?

[tall torrent]

If u want to play knife on vet in a more Chad way, go riposte + flesh tearer/precog

[wet ether]

survivalist nerf killed that aura for me sadly

[thorny gorge]

[frank basin]

Lacerate flesh tearer make cole tearing his hair

[austere mica]

Its still really good, just not full refunds for every shot good

[wet ether]

its not that bro its the timer on it

[austere mica]

Yeah

Not full refunds for every shot

[thorny gorge]

damn i kill things faster with the new blessings

lmao

[austere mica]

only some of them

[frank basin]

Mercy killer + lacerate?

[austere mica]

Please explode

[tall torrent]

Nah

Knife on vet can get to 75% crit chance

[wet ether]

would 2.5 second be to much to ask?

[tall torrent]

You’re just better off with crit scaling

[austere mica]

5 seconds is fine

[frank basin]

Don’t have to dodge everytime

[austere mica]

I don't run out of ammo with survivalist unless things are truely dire

[frank basin]

Just body hit and smack on head

[tall torrent]

Knife is really all about dodge

[austere mica]

If you want to run mercy killer just get Serrated Blade

[midnight totem]

double barrel shotgun's mastery skin is very nice

[austere mica]

Its like 1 point on every build ever and gives unconditional bleed

[wet ether]

i've ran out of ammo more times than i can count with the survivalist nerf

[thorny gorge]

good god deathspitter is something

why so much cleave

[austere mica]

That sounds like a ranged weapon overreliance issue

[tall torrent]

The other thing is that
Serrated blade is kind of hard to grab in some cases

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1290498905343000636/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.09.30_-_22.21.04.03.mp4?ex=67049743&is=670345c3&hm=2deae389891fcc7cd1f9205ecdc1aedffb7b3aaee4a429ecbbb6ad98ae9fa278&

[midnight totem]

the last time I ran out of ammo I was playing auric scab melee only maelstrom without survivalist

[tall torrent]

This is riposte + flesh tearer

[molten hound]

uncanny is pretty good but riposte and flesh tearer is just insane

[frank basin]

I was thinking like Mozambique Drill like two hit on torso and one on head.

[midnight totem]

and my last shot was on the way to extraction

[wet ether]

it is honestly tryna break that habit

[austere mica]

Go play vermintide

[tall torrent]

He has a Vraks V

[molten hound]

uncanny makes you marginally better at killing crusher if it pops into a mixed horde at the expensive of just mowing straight through everything else

[austere mica]

and don't play a ranged career

[midnight totem]

vermintide is not good for breaking one's reliance on ranged weapons

[placid portal]

Vet main Sentance: 200 hours of Vermintide

[frank basin]

Outcast engineer did not sign geneava convention

[midnight totem]

but I'm used to chaining repeated headshots with kruber's rifle

on foot knight

[frank basin]

Not hunter

Hunter kinda glass cannon

[midnight totem]

unless they removed the free shot return on headshot perk for the rifle, its been a while

[wet ether]

bro i'm fairly sure that game is dead on oceana

[void bison]

vet main sentence. one over watch 2 match

[thorny gorge]

[placid portal]

you are cruel, no man should suffer that much

[void bison]

i take that back. zealot main sentence is one over watch 2 match.

[frank basin]

I would play as Mcree if they have it

[orchid hemlock]

5 minutes of a LoL ranked match

[midnight totem]

what reason is there to play Overwatch... when all the butts have been nerfed

[wet ether]

you cruel son of a bitch why did you bring up a bad memory

[void bison]

no man deserves such a punishment.

[frank basin]

Hurling insulted guarantee

[thorny gorge]

i am blasting edm and mag dumping hordes like a true vet main

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/seeth-meme-memes-2023-goofy-ahh-disintegrate-gif-14577750081686364738

[thorny gorge]

lets play dawg

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/outraygeous-shrimple-outrageous-eagle-ray-gif-27253586

[frank basin]

Toxicity level is increasing

[thorny gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-cry-about-it-gromp-громп-lol-gif-27513370

[tall torrent]

Don’t dump damage

Dump collateral for recon Lasguns

[void bison]

tru. but i aint losing much

[tall torrent]

Everything that scales %damage scale from base damage

It’s just better to go for more dps

[thorny gorge]

dump collat or mobi for recon

collat is better i think

[void bison]

i never use recon lasguns so i just use that one.

my plasma gun is my baby

[thorny gorge]

hammer should i keep or move

since im not doing infernus

[tall torrent]

Yes

5% crit chance is usually a good pickup

[thorny gorge]

yea im not seeing anything else useful in the tree

CQKZ?

[tall torrent]

It’s just a generally good pick

[dire lagoon]

anyone else feel the bolt pistol is pretty underwhelming compared to the bolt gun?

[tall torrent]

But it’s usually like a last point luxury kind of thing

Outside of recon & infantry autoguns

[austere mica]

I like it more

Hits the crusher oneshot BP with some tinkering

[void bison]

yeah

[thorny gorge]

it does its job

with is diffrent than bolters

[dire lagoon]

really? what's the setup? I've just played a few games with weapon master setup and it's quite fun. But I feel like bolt gun is just a straight upgrade.

[void bison]

bolt gun is slower. holsters and reloads slower. bolt pistol can also kill specialists a little easier.

[tall torrent]

Grenadier

[austere mica]

I'll make a new recording because the clip I currently have is outdated

[void bison]

surgical and the bleed blessings make it good for eating crushers too.

[thorny gorge]

yee

[fallen sable]

Infantry lasguns vs laspistol? When would you take one over the other?

[void bison]

lasgun

[thorny gorge]

puntcure is a really good blessing

[tall torrent]

Laspistol

[fallen sable]

fight!

[void bison]

on bolter it just works

[dire lagoon]

yeah please do, super curious to see it.

[tall torrent]

If u enjoy melee more, laspistol
If u enjoy backline sniping more, infantry lasgun

[fallen sable]

Ah I see. I assume laspistol is Dumdum+infernus, infantry headhunter + ?

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + ghost for laspistol

Headhunter + ghost for infantry lasgun

Ghost is really strong, pretty much no reason not to use it

On psyker u can get away without ghost since u have empathic evasion

[fallen sable]

ghost hm? aight I'll give it a try thx

[hearty panther]

ghost isnt a damage blessing but it secretly is

cause you can just stand in place plinking heads or just walk right up to a reaper without giving a fuck

[austere mica]

It isn't even that difficult

[dire lagoon]

ty

[tall torrent]

U don’t need determined for Boltpistol now btw

The sway reduction also made it way more resistant to suppression

[austere mica]

Interesting

[tall torrent]

Same goes for Boltgun

[austere mica]

Will test tomorrow (if I remember)

[tall torrent]

So Boltgun actually got 2 talent taxes alleviated

Which is huge

[austere mica]

The most I could do with that that point is like, field improv

[thorny gorge]

this is 12m?

omegalol

dumdum kinda busted ngl

[tall torrent]

Yea

[supple stag]

I need to rebless my laspistols, yeet infernus and grab ghost on them

Weapon specialist with laspistol is absolute baller

[thorny gorge]

Does the cleave recon still use 2 ammo per shot?