yes you did
#veteran-class
frank ether
people started using columnus iag because it got stupid OP
radiant chasm
no cuz i was running gun pysker at the time
agri brauto?
thorn lark
What?
radiant chasm
i thought you said you ran shredder psyker
thorny gorge
agri brauto?
no
thorny gorge
i thought you said you ran shredder psyker
is shredder not a gun
mighty escarp
Infernus Vet was the strongest vet had ever been, then it got nerfed
frank ether
dude, I don't have time to talk to autistic people with reading comprehension issues
dawn garnet
radiant chasm
is shredder not a gun
it's not agri brauto
tall torrent
I blame fat shark for keeping info hidden
You should see how their weapon code names are
frank ether
infernus recon was good for a splitsecond and then it spent near 2 years being garbage
mighty escarp
its not
frank ether
its still garbage compared to power recon
tall torrent
Veteran’s shovels are coded as
combataxe_p3_m1/m2/m3
torn root
You should see how their weapon code names are
pass, i already get annoyed trying to remember weapon names
tall torrent
radiant chasm
deathspitter dum dum recon stil mogs infernus
mighty escarp
Infernus vet broke the game entirely, it melted bosses in 5 seconds
somber axle
It's me! I'm no one
radiant chasm
Infernus vet broke the game entirely, it melted bosses in 5 seconds
born died, reborn as gunlugger flaming rounds
frank ether
It's me! I'm no one
henlo
radiant chasm
died again
thorn lark
Infernus Recon during Beta, my god...
Until they nerfed infernus stacking infinitely actually. It happened after the launch.
torn root
oh wait you were talking about recon nvm
mighty escarp
Until they nerfed infernus stacking infinitely actually. It happened after the l...
Yeah I was there...
torn root
my bad
thorny gorge
does deathspitter and dumdum still just use crit stacking?
somber axle
It's really funny because the Recon Mk VId didn't get damage buffed beyond fire rate and that alone was enough to rocket it from one of the worst weapons in the game to one of the best LOL
The other two variants got damage buffs
frank ether
firerate is technically damage
somber axle
It is yeah
radiant chasm
dps
tall torrent
does deathspitter and dumdum still just use crit stacking?
Yez
somber axle
It was always a funny gun
mighty escarp
lol farming crushers and bosses all day, daemonhost got released, and it would just disappear instantly
somber axle
Tbh I don't think the Recon Mk VId actually changed that much damage wise
thorny gorge
Tbh I don't think the Recon Mk VId actually changed that much damage wise
it didnt
mighty escarp
The only 'broken' thing Vet still has is tank stance now
radiant chasm
because bleed through didn't exist
somber axle
Everyone heard that Recons were buffed and started playing with it
torn root
lol farming crushers and bosses all day, daemonhost got released, and it would j...
bro the 1st time is showed a daemonhost the sun was the greatest moment in this game
tall torrent
Tbh I don't think the Recon Mk VId actually changed that much damage wise
Base damage buffed, armor damage remained ~equal to pre-buff
somber axle
Base damage buffed, armor damage remained ~equal to pre-buff
Base damage was only buffed on the other two variants
It did not receive a damage buff beyond fire rate
tall torrent
Maybe I remembered wrong
thorny gorge
Everyone heard that Recons were buffed and started playing with it
i was playing becuase locks got removed lol
orchid hemlock
invincible zealots and vets
I miss crit hit proc perma invis 😔😔😔😔😔😔
mighty escarp
bro the 1st time is showed a daemonhost the sun was the greatest moment in this ...
I miss my power...Vet has been nerfed so often but Pyskers needed something...
somber axle
i was playing becuase locks got removed lol
That's fair LOL
radiant chasm
I miss my power...Vet has been nerfed so often but Pyskers needed something...
lol lmao
crutched asf
mighty escarp
Crutched?
radiant chasm
vet is still strong asf, while i agree they keep fuckin buffing psyker for some reason
radiant chasm
but vet has tons of power
torn root
I miss my power...Vet has been nerfed so often but Pyskers needed something...
all honesty playing psyker and leveling and reading the tree can feel like shit
that have too much rng on their tree
i dislike it
somber axle
iirc
Recon Mk VId got mag size increase and fire rate buff but nerfed swap speed/reload speed
Recon Mk II got damage buff and ADM changes
Recon Mk VIIa got damage buff, ADM changes, buffed ammo reserve and impact
thorny gorge
Stacks 5 times (up to +32.5% strength)
and i thought infernus was good
somber axle
VIIa got the most love
radiant chasm
voc, agile engagement, focus target, weapon spec with certain builds
somber axle
but VId is the most loved
tall torrent
and i thought infernus was good
Well, compared to the slaughterer equivalent on ur gun, no
torn root
Vet had all the stuff comparatively, damage, beef, versitility
thorny gorge
Well, compared to the **slaughterer** equivalent on ur gun, no
ima be real, i only played zealot till this update
mighty escarp
vet is still strong asf, while i agree they keep fuckin buffing psyker for some ...
Mmm at least in terms of power, vet still has its super tough regen tank stance and....some power generation, but 90% of the power gen that vets used to get have been removed through patches...
I know you want to fight me but I have played this game longer and know the game more than you, Im not someone you can argue with over 'is it good' because Im not arguing if Vet is good, Im stating Vet has broken the games balance
tall torrent
But for psyker, prob take infernus over deathspitter on recon
Saves u ammo
radiant chasm
like c'mon if you are stuck on 75% perma DR, perma ability active but that's years ago
thorny gorge
But for psyker, prob take infernus over deathspitter on recon
Saves u ammo
Oo?
cool
i will try
radiant chasm
Mmm at least in terms of power, vet still has its super tough regen tank stance ...
i bought the game day one of open beta you nerd
mighty escarp
and you had no idea how power worked
radiant chasm
Str/pwr=dmg,impact, cleave
mighty escarp
after you were told
west cave
theres a guardsman vest atm that you can get for applying 7500 armor, the one with only one glove and a lot of purity seals, its sickish yellow but ive seen a black one
how do you get the black one
radiant chasm
you can have me describe power in this discord over a year ago i bet lol
tall torrent
how do you get the black one
Infiltrate penance
radiant chasm
fuckin hyperfixation
mighty escarp
again, its fine, I really dont care, but again, you cant argue with me, but you can keep beating your head against the wall if you want
torn root
Str/pwr=dmg,impact, cleave
but it double dipped on cleave because of the stagger
thorny gorge
i bought the game day one of open beta you nerd
post purchase date nerd
radiant chasm
infiltrate aggro drop uptime, VoC,
torn root
it currently does as well
radiant chasm
post purchase date nerd
tall torrent
it currently does as well
If only autopistol had skullcrusher as a blessing
radiant chasm
i'll get my B helmet out
mighty escarp
thorny gorge
woven coral
is desperado good for tacaxe and duelling sword?
mighty escarp
radiant chasm
oh damn u did do something earleir than me
orchid hemlock
We really comparising dick sizes via when we bought darktide? 🤔
torn root
im taxing you mofos
radiant chasm
i dind't get imperial edition until the first sale
radiant chasm
and i somehow know more than you
you don't know your shit from your chocolate
orchid hemlock
I started playing this game fall of last year
thorny gorge
you don't know your shit from your chocolate
mighty escarp
Been in this game for a very very long time...
thorny gorge
you type like a geek
west cave
Infiltrate penance
thx
mighty escarp
When Infernus was broken
when Psword was broken
Shredder
Brauto
when my XII was my god
orchid hemlock
radiant chasm
if you wanna get rich and stay rich you save money when you can
mighty escarp
yall really made me go broke for a 3.5 second buff
I didnt say nothing, I said do what you wanna do
frank ether
are you now having a rat race over who bought the game first
radiant chasm
psword is a tank because it has taken so many nerf hammers and keeps being great xd
tall torrent
yall really made me go broke for a 3.5 second buff
Is 4000 docket fee for swapping blessing really that damaging on imperial economy
radiant chasm
are you now having a rat race over who bought the game first
they brought it up xd
torn root
I didnt say nothing, I said do what you wanna do
bet you'r cool
mighty escarp
You keep doing you Kuro, just dont sabatoge the run and we golden.
frank ether
utter tardation, I can't even call this for what it is without being autocensored
torn root
Is 4000 docket fee for swapping blessing really that damaging on imperial econom...
I SPENT DAMN NEAR 700K ROLLING A PEICE OF SHIT RECON AND MAXING IT
radiant chasm
utter tardation, I can't even call this for what it is without being autocensore...
we get it plush
torn root
yeah im broke
radiant chasm
u are easily upset by things you read
tall torrent
I SPENT DAMN NEAR 700K ROLLING A PEICE OF SHIT RECON AND MAXING IT
Oh lmao
torn root
always been broke
radiant chasm
u can try to change the conversation topic or not look at the channel
torn root
nah
mighty escarp
._. the amount of dockets and resources I farmed and spent to roll god rolls only for it to be easy as sin now....
torn root
im keeping my old ones XD
frank ether
u can try to change the conversation topic or not look at the channel
nah I'll just leave you all to your rat race honestly .d
torn root
FFS!
mighty escarp
but I was already mastery lvl 20 on like..10 of my weapons on patch day so...that was nice..
torn root
Broke ass
mighty escarp
I dont hate plasma gun, I hate plasma vets
radiant chasm
nah I'll just leave you all to your rat race honestly .d
u sound like you care more if you wanna dump slurs bro
thorny gorge
i spend too much trying to roll a good one
torn root
i hate the plasma gun
my shit is at mastery 9, its gunna stay there for a while
radiant chasm
rat is a slur?
this isn't to you lol
mighty escarp
cool, you can get 8 shots from 0 heat, thats great....
watches them miss 5 of those 8 shots
thorny gorge
this isn't to you lol
cry about it ferret pfp
radiant chasm
no the slur was the R one lol you can go scroll up and read
radiant chasm
what he call you a idiot in a not nice way
then type it too lol
torn root
BACK TO MEDIOCRITY as the emperor intended
torn root
broke my bank to revert XD
radiant chasm
and let you go cry to the mods?
i didn't say anything to mods
thorny gorge
why complain then
radiant chasm
radiant chasm
complaining about reeree is sad bro
that's like saying QQ unironically
thorny gorge
frank ether
u sound like you care more if you wanna dump slurs bro
just meant to say its petty but sure I guess, clearly I'm not helping change topic so I'd like to excuse myself now
thorny gorge
les go
mighty escarp
radiant chasm
like oh ok look who can't say REDACTED
radiant chasm
wow so are you going to stop about who played longer
tall torrent
What are y’all even arguing about
mighty escarp
wow so are you going to stop about who played longer
I havent mentioned it? I was just joining you as a fellow beta 😦
radiant chasm
What are y’all even arguing about
just some losers wanting to say slurs but scared
thorny gorge
radiant chasm
god the B helmet is ugly
torn root
radiant chasm
i can't believe it came out
torn root
brother?!
mighty escarp
😦 just trying to be friendly....
thorny gorge
i can't believe it came out
hey bandit
radiant chasm
😦 just trying to be friendly....
yea my bad
thorny gorge
get muted nerd
torn root
WE WERE THERE WHEN THE ONLY THING WORKING WAS THE CACH SHOP🤣
frank ether
What are y’all even arguing about
I don't know, I wanted to talk about the food I made but all I hear is:
''I bought the game first so I'm right''
''no I bought the game first I'm righter than you''
like... ??? .d
thorn lark
I feel there's a lot of people returning and not realizing the game and discord have changed
thorny gorge
god i enjoy the block function
mighty escarp
WE WERE THERE WHEN THE ONLY THING WORKING WAS THE CACH SHOP🤣
I got my free 1000 cash shop credits, I bought my glam, I made the jojo...
thorn lark
A bit like we're the OG's move along noobs
radiant chasm
get muted nerd
"I'm ignoring you, i'm blocking you, i gotta announce it to the whole server!"
tall torrent
I didn’t even play the game much before patch 13 cuz it ran like ass lmao
mighty escarp
radiant chasm
I don't know, I wanted to talk about the food I made but all I hear is:
''I bo...
i never said it made me right
torn root
I got my free 1000 cash shop credits, I bought my glam, I made the jojo...
i spent my shit on the ugliest zealot set
with the shittiest golden mask
thorn lark
I didn’t even play the game much before patch 13 cuz it ran like ass lmao
It always ran around 50 fps for me. And then last week it hovered around 80
mighty escarp
I feel there's a lot of people returning and not realizing the game and discord ...
I blame games lantern, this discord, and RAR for why people still dont know how the hell to play this game sometimes...
radiant chasm
I blame games lantern, this discord, and RAR for why people still dont know how ...
steam forums, reddit
mighty escarp
That too
thorn lark
I think I just deleted for the drip...
mighty escarp
its nice drip
radiant chasm
for the drip and weapon customization mods make my game too unstable
regal smelt
I hate this helmet, but it brings out my eyes
radiant chasm
i just remember pre bleedthrough on toughness
torn root
I hate this helmet, but it brings out my eyes
1000 yard stare
mighty escarp
lets all just come together and remember, as much as we hate each other...
The zealots are the reason we got nerfed
radiant chasm
oh and bleed being broken
tall torrent
I hate this helmet, but it brings out my eyes
They really just released an update that brought Moebian 6th armor (that actually looks good) and said you’ll get either helmet with no mask, or mask with no helmet
radiant chasm
lets all just come together and remember, as much as we hate each other...
The z...
veteran crybabies coming back in force
mighty escarp
Sorry, I miss being able to do 6 energeized swings with my PS without PC
radiant chasm
at this point fatshark might just give you the 7 powersword swings back
torn root
lets all just come together and remember, as much as we hate each other...
The z...
as a previous zealot main im sorry for the hit bolter got
mighty escarp
you did this to me
tall torrent
If they release the helmet + mask combo for the Moebian 6th Armor I think I’d actually use that a lot
regal smelt
They really just released an update that brought Moebian 6th armor (that actuall...
yeah i never realised how good it would look with a mask, jesus christ why are they alergic to giving us a mask+helmet
torn root
ppl dont know this but there was a select few of us zealots abusing the bolter back then, they nerfed it then they finally touched the problem -- chorus of dawn
we use to chant then delete bosses
some idiot let fat shark know about it
tall torrent
yeah i never realised how good it would look with a mask, jesus christ why are t...
The thing is
It actually looks pretty cool with helmet + mask combo
radiant chasm
veterans getting survivalist nerfed from SSS+ tier to S+ tier, riots
zealots getting ranged fotf interaction removed, thank fuck
tall torrent
U could have recoloured it and told me this was some storm trooper armor and I’d believe it
radiant chasm
some idiot let fat shark know about it
i mean it was not well hidden lol
mighty escarp
I used to be happy with my XII and my PS, just clearing damnation each day without a care in the world. Gunner swarm? Got ya friends, Elite wave? no problem! group of Crushers, dont worry pals, I'll clear the rest, so you can focus on that...
Now....Im just blamed for everything
frank ether
If they release the helmet + mask combo for the Moebian 6th Armor I think I’d ac...
yeah I'd love that, or just give me a green version of this armor so I can slap the scion helmet on
torn root
i mean it was not well hidden lol
ppl found out about it like literally months after we were abusing
frank ether
also the googles could be... glowier?
torn root
i still blame YT ppl
radiant chasm
you sound like dorn (not an insult)
torn root
i would see a chaos spawn, pray a little then unless the fucking warp on its ass
radiant chasm
also no, i remember seeing the first monster chorus kill in like, a week on this discord tops
tall torrent
also the googles could be... glowier?
It looks alr in the dark but it doesn’t pop in brighter environments
mighty escarp
veterans getting survivalist nerfed from SSS+ tier to S+ tier, riots
zealots get...
to be honest, I think that hurt everyone else more than the vet. I know my friends who run revo/flame/ogryn were more upset than I was
frank ether
It looks alr in the dark but it doesn’t pop in brighter environments
I like the way scion googles look, and that ogryn helmet, the one they gave for pearl clutcher incident
torn root
also no, i remember seeing the first monster chorus kill in like, a week on thi...
either way it didnt get nerfed until months after tho
lmao
radiant chasm
and a good amount of the community testers at the time are on the discord
radiant chasm
either way it didnt get nerfed until months after tho
that just fatshark speed
mighty escarp
especially my revo zealot friend. WHERES MY AMMO?! WHY DO I NEED AMMO NOW?! NAI, WHERES MY AMMO?!
torn root
most ppl werent even using chorus
tall torrent
I like the way scion googles look, and that ogryn helmet, the one they gave for ...
Scion helm is just peak
torn root
that just fatshark speed
fair
radiant chasm
chorus is the worst ability in terms of fun for me lol
lucid pike
Guys is the helbore lasgun bayonet attack extremely good or am I tripping?
frank ether
Scion helm is just peak
It is, just a shame it doesn't have a lot of stuff to match it with
radiant chasm
i want to be interacting with the game not dropping my dps to zero
tall torrent
to be honest, I think that hurt everyone else more than the vet. I know my frien...
They buffed ammo spawn rate quite a bit in that same patch, like 20~25% more
torn root
chorus is the worst ability in terms of fun for me lol
it was only good when it stacked pinning fire [the problem] and when it could shove monsters off of maps
radiant chasm
it would be like psyker having to channel to keep shield up or vet channeling to keep shouting
frank ether
really all I need are some recolour options for the new penance armors I think
torn root
i guess the ston lock was broken too
frank ether
give me a green mobian 6th
regal smelt
anyone know if this is good for passive damage or just a meme?
radiant chasm
anyone know if this is good for passive damage or just a meme?
it's a meme
both of the other nodes are better
frank ether
anyone know if this is good for passive damage or just a meme?
Its bit of a meme, next to two really good nodes too
torn root
anyone know if this is good for passive damage or just a meme?
its bad/memey
radiant chasm
infinite smite
tall torrent
If only I could get a black scion helm
mighty escarp
They buffed ammo spawn rate quite a bit in that same patch, like 20~25% more
no ammo buff in the world will help people who used to be able to not have to care about ammo pickups and just be able to feed it to me...
Now they gobble it up like a bum on a cheese sandwich just to keep up their addictions
frank ether
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668420727443030038/1288948725565362186/...
that armor is on zealot right?
tall torrent
that armor is on zealot right?
Nah, veteran
radiant chasm
ammo is like at what, 5000% ammo per map?
tall torrent
I like it
frank ether
ah, oh wait I remember it
radiant chasm
or am I overshooting it
regal smelt
just wondering because 20% damage could be huge if it actually procs, but the fucking buff icons are broke as shit and dont pop up more than half the time
frank ether
its actually quite decent but I passed on it because I was mad at fatshark at the time lol
tall torrent
But everyone I showed said the helmet doesn’t match colors and it’s just 
torn root
no ammo buff in the world will help people who used to be able to not have to ca...
i see pple take all the ammo and still have less than me
radiant chasm
it's a lot of ammo and outside of 3 ogryns/no ammo maelstroms, survivalist doesn't feel needed anymore all the time
frank ether
But everyone I showed said the helmet doesn’t match colors and it’s just <:whatt...
they are right it doesnt
but at least its black and green
torn root
like these bums are dumping ammo into the aether
frank ether
as opposed to red or blue which would look clownish
tall torrent
If they make a green version of that Armor I’d use it
It just looks cool
Preferably without candles tho lol
thorny gorge
I like the power armour helmet for vets
torn root
need cadian armor set
thorny gorge
need cadian armor set
tall torrent
need cadian armor set
They actually released a Kasrkin Armor while u were gone
torn root
They actually released a Kasrkin Armor while u were gone
NOOOO!
NOOOOO THEY DIDN;T
FUUUUUcK
thorny gorge
tall torrent
Top Armor here, basically Kasrkin
thorny gorge
torn root
i fucking cry
thorny gorge
Do old bundles come back through?
thorny gorge
thorny gorge
FS should just open a casino
torn root
WHY?!
tall torrent
They just released the Kasrkin camo version in a bundle
But this plain green one is still not out
Somehow
orchid hemlock
Top Armor here, basically Kasrkin
Gimmie
regal smelt
Well, the old steel legion coat
both the helmet and coat were in there, just not bundled. The old bundle also came with weapon skins and a curio so you know fatshark aint gonna give us that again with how they like to nickel and dime us now
tall torrent
I think at this rate they’ll release the actual tempestus scion armor before that one lmao
torn root
But this plain green one is still not out
the shark likes to edge its victims
frank ether
I want the scion set smh
thorny gorge
Hey hammer, how different do I play with deathspitter-dumdum over the infernus setup
tall torrent
wtf happened to scion armor?
Idk it’s still being worked on ig
thorny gorge
Same way?
tall torrent
Hey hammer, how different do I play with deathspitter-dumdum over the infernus s...
U shoot at stuff and expect them to die
frank ether
At least they included the old steel legion jacket this rotation
tall torrent
Not much different
frank basin
Top Armor here, basically Kasrkin
how did you crop background?
tall torrent
how did you crop background?
iOS feature
thorny gorge
Ive heard it lies to you
frank basin
iOS feature
damn
frank basin
im only iphone 7
thorny gorge
Im talking about the range
frank basin
oldest phone
thorny gorge
How far out does it proc
torn root
Im talking about the range
like im being dead ass you shoot and get a damage bonus for 12.5m
tall torrent
I was reading shit about dumdum
+6% C.dmg (max 5 stacks) from successive ranged hits (starts stacking from 2nd shot), lasts 2s
thorny gorge
It doesnt extend past out the 12.5?
tall torrent
How far out does it proc
Max effect 12.5m, linear falloff from 12.5 to 30m, does basically nothing after 30m
thorny gorge
K
thorny gorge
torn root
It doesnt extend past out the 12.5?
no but you can stack it at any range
thorny gorge
Oh cool
tall torrent
both the helmet and coat were in there, just not bundled. The old bundle also ca...
Ya
With my luck I think they’re gonna make the scion armor not have gloves or smth
regal smelt
i was having trouble stacking it outside the range like 20 minutes ago wtf
tall torrent
If it doesn’t have gloves, I don’t want it
regal smelt
nvm buffs start to not show just by activating executioners stance lol
torn root
i was having trouble stacking it outside the range like 20 minutes ago wtf
dysnc, lag, or maybe missing is th eonly thing i can think of
thorny gorge
Oh yea, does the recon work with exe?
torn root
nvm buffs start to not show just by activating executioners stance lol
thats a bug
thorny gorge
I would think so
tall torrent
WHY?!
Also fyi the Kasrkin camo version of this Armor is quite buggy in terms of textures in relation to FOV and does some really weird things with certain attack animations in first person
torn root
nvm buffs start to not show just by activating executioners stance lol
might want a mod for that
torn root
Also fyi the Kasrkin camo version of this Armor is quite buggy in terms of textu...
i aint buying that shit
i want my plain green outfit
FOR CADIA!
thorny gorge
Same
regal smelt
might want a mod for that
yeah I've been scrolling through nexus every time i gotta update to try and find an improved buff bar, no luck
tall torrent
i want my plain green outfit
Which means that the green one might have the same bug lol (when it releases, eventually)
tall torrent
I reported this issue already, they still haven’t fixed it
regal smelt
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/239
ty
tall torrent
I just use the light Cadian Armor now
thorny gorge
I like the VoC one
torn root
Which means that the green one might have the same bug lol (when it releases, ev...
shiiit, still worth
thorny gorge
I enjoy the seals
tall torrent
At least I can see the tattoos in first person so that’s a W for me
torn root
i was learning psyker and bitch ass siphon warp kept hiding from me
had to download this
tall torrent
i was learning psyker and bitch ass siphon warp kept hiding from me
It could be worse
It could be DD stacks not showing up
torn root
It could be worse
It could be DD stacks not showing up <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
misery
thorny gorge
Heres my vet
tall torrent
Buff bar is just really buggy
regal smelt
It could be worse
It could be DD stacks not showing up <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
I just zoomed around as gunker and knew by the amount of blue men I was killing I had full stacks
tall torrent
On veteran u can have an issue of having so many confirmed kill procs going off that it breaks the buff bar completely
And only like 3 of them shows up
torn root
Heres my vet
my basic ass
tall torrent
Even when you have like 7 that’s active
torn root
shit kinda clean tho
tall torrent
Mortis set looks good until u realize the gloves have buggy texture
And ur hand shows through the gloves whenever u have a grenade in ur hand
torn root
Mortis set looks good until u realize the gloves have buggy texture
try to ruin this for me
i dear you
tall torrent
This Cadian set also has a problem
If u set mesh LOD below 1, your arms will show through the sleeves
thorny gorge
my basic ass
Very nice
torn root
STAHP
tall torrent
try to ruin this for me
I can show u what it looks like
thorny gorge
This Cadian set also has a problem
If u set mesh LOD below 1, your arms will sho...
I can see it lmao
Wtf
tall torrent
I can see it lmao
Yea you need to set it to 1.5 for it to cover ur arms normally
Even at 1, while running it’ll still show through
thorny gorge
Ima fix my shit rq
torn root
my gloves look fine!
tall torrent
my gloves look fine!
Also since u like infantry autogun
There’s a skin in the shop that changes iron sights slightly
Thinner front sight
tame lodge
terse gate
Does quick play que you into maelstorm missions
tall torrent
No
torn root
Also since u like infantry autogun
There’s a skin in the shop that changes iron ...
im not buying anything in this game until i feel like i can recommend it it to genreal public
unless that armor drops
then i might reconsider
tall torrent
im not buying anything in this game until i feel like i can recommend it it to g...
Tbh I think it’s already well worth recommending
Unless they want to roll a plasma gun
terse gate
Ok so some silly billy qued scab only no ammo pick ups willingly at lvl 18 with a recon lasgun go figure
tall torrent
Plasma gun can genuinely bankrupt u
thorny gorge
Ive never been so broke
tall torrent
No wonder the imperial guard only ever allows elite forces to use it
torn root
yeah plasma cant just get 4 80s and 1 60
thorny gorge
torn root
you actually need middling numbers
i refuse to do that shit
700k for a shitty nerf gun
cant imagine what i gotta drop for plasma
ember folio
so whats kinda the ultimate metas? what combos?
thorny gorge
look at first pin
torn root
so whats kinda the ultimate metas? what combos?
PSword, Plasma VoC
ANYONE WHO DOESNT AGREE CAN FIGHT ME
ember folio
look at first pin
oh jeez sorry
thorny gorge
oh jeez sorry
no, dont be, theres just way more info in the sheet that i cant relay
there is no real must take build
pastel zealot
is recon lasgun good to use?
torn root
the celerity stim needs a slight tweak
it lessens all usage of stamina i think
because it affects deadshot
tall torrent
the celerity stim needs a slight tweak
I think it’s fine rn, it’s a pretty strong pickup
Instantly regen all of ur stamina, reduce stamina usage
High atk speed
pastel zealot
im just dipping my toes into veteran, there a decent build anyone would like to toss at me? (what kind of curios, melee, etc.)?
many times ive seen some cracked veterans
ember folio
there is no real must take build
yeah i just know there tend to be The Best Weapons TM and the talents that pair well
options sure, but not everything is meta
torn root
I think it’s fine rn, it’s a pretty strong pickup
yeah im trying to say i dont think the reduction is just 25% at least not for deadshot i think
torn root
its hard to see for dead shot but i amd shooting faster which is supposed to be burning me faster too
not sure if thats 25%
maybe im just dumb?
tall torrent
Idk I just know it does like 8 different things lmao
torn root
yeah fully restores stamina, reduces stamina usage , gives reload speed and attack speed/ fire rate / and all charge rates
it also speeds up quelling
torn root
is the burning one any good?
i think it might be good, im not sure on the verdict
pastel zealot
i remember back in the day it was a bit gnarly, just trying to get this gun started up is all xD
thorny gorge
oh, what blessings/perks for recon lasgun?
Try dumdum-deathspitter or infernus-headhunter
pastel zealot
its not the worst
GEEBUS
odd sparrow
thing is burning basically doesnt matter if you actually focus your shots correctly
torn root
thing is burning basically doesnt matter if you actually focus your shots correc...
it matters
by a few shots
not that you are gunna stop for it tho XD
odd sparrow
might as well just take dumdum+deathspitter for more dmg
thorny gorge
Yee
thorny gorge
Either one works
torn root
yeah yikes on the boss damage tho
odd sparrow
infernus is only "good" if you milk the value from the dot. Which you dont really have time for since most enemies become a threat you cant just ignore
torn root
probably multiply that by 3 and thats how fast you would actually kill 1
thorny gorge
yeah yikes on the boss damage tho
Infernus?
thorny gorge
Then you wont be getting good burns
torn root
i kinda thought the burns just kinda slightly add some damage on top of dum dum ngl
relying on the burn is probably just not the way to kill shit
if it is im crying
torn root
so its just add clear?
thorny gorge
Cuz other wise no damage
pastel zealot
is powersword any good to use for veteran?
torn root
when i have the gun gun
torn root
is powersword any good to use for veteran?
.>
idle swallow
nah it sucks
pastel zealot
i was leaning more towards duelist sword since im used to it on zealot
thorny gorge
so its just add clear?
Are you using onslaught?
torn root
is powersword any good to use for veteran?
thorny gorge
Show build?
torn root
is powersword any good to use for veteran?
not even a finess set up or brutal momentum
bare minimum damage for melee
pastel zealot
the hell?!
torn root
Show build?
winging it
gray nebula
I'm coming back to the game after many months away, how would you guys build an assault chainsword with the new system?
orchid hemlock
I'm coming back to the game after many months away, how would you guys build an ...
rashad
thorny gorge
winging it
you missed damage nodes
torn root
I'm coming back to the game after many months away, how would you guys build an ...
rampage + wrath/savage sweep imo
of just use the axe
thorny gorge
Thats why you do no damage to boss
torn root
Thats why you do no damage to boss
?
gray nebula
ok I'm trying to work on the chainsword masteries but I'll try out the axe
torn root
im missing like 1 damage node
lmao
am i bugging?
percision strikes, deadshot, rending strikes, bring it down, onslaught
thorny gorge
?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2cf52d-7eaf-49b6-b306-570ddad3e85b/bad-build give the tree a look
thorny gorge
percision strikes, deadshot, rending strikes, bring it down, onslaught
And complex
Ignore my weapons
torn root
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2cf52d-7eaf-49b6-b306-570ddad3e85b/ba...
weakspot damage is 30%
you dont have!
thorny gorge
Dps a reaper for me
ember folio
is there a non-selfish duelist build thats worth a damn lol
torn root
Dps a reaper for me
no unyielding
ember folio
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1b6648-4968-4b00-a3b8-4d1883cffd95/saltzpyre-vet-carry-clutch-king-auric-maelstrom-tested Cause this is cool but also really bloody selfish
tall torrent
You gotta take headhunter
Nah
5% crit chance perk + talent, plus reciprocity
torn root
Thats good then
i just wanna know how the gun is supposed to play
tall torrent
Headhunter is really low value in practice
torn root
it confuses me
thorny gorge
i just wanna know how the gun is supposed to play
Magdump everything
tall torrent
i just wanna know how the gun is supposed to play
Recon?
torn root
like i hear infernus good but it can;t carry damage
thorny gorge
It can
orchid hemlock
torn root
i dont wanna have to be in ability to just delete dudes
tall torrent
Dum dum + deathspitter, shoot at stuff that move but don’t have name tag above their heads
torn root
Dum dum + deathspitter, shoot at stuff that move but don’t have name tag above t...
okay 1 i am broke
after today i realize i dislike death spittter
thorny gorge
With both shocktrooper and survivalist you can get away with magdumping
tall torrent
Infernus is ok-ish for boss damage
torn root
but on this gun i might try it
tall torrent
But this is not really a boss damage gun imo
It’s strong for anti-elite and basically not having to reload
torn root
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/fu...
this is another tree with less baked in damage
is crit on perks standard for the gun
maybe that's what im missing?
tall torrent
is crit on perks standard for the gun
Yea
ember folio
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a90b4dc-f331-4a40-b334-6f29a5a97470/indomitable-commissar-crittanksupport good build generally speaking?
somber axle
after today i realize i dislike death spittter
Headhunter + Dum Dum if you're not using Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Deathspitter with Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Infernus with Reciprocity if you dislike Deathspitter
Headhunter + Infernus without Reciprocity if you dislike Deathspitter
don't touch the other blessings imo LOL
thorny gorge
maybe that's what im missing?
Yep
tall torrent
5% crit chance perk is really good for recon & infantry autogun
torn root
Headhunter + Dum Dum if you're not using Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Deathspitter with...
i have reciprocity, i dont like death spitter am on dum dum infernus
maybe my hopes were to high
somber axle
Carapace is funny on the Recon Mk VId/Recon Mk XII for shredding Crushers extra fast with Onslaught/Rending Strikes
orchid hemlock
<https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a90b4dc-f331-4a40-b334-6f29a5a97470/i...
i dont like the idea of toughness regen but this is one of them ig
gray nebula
is tough regen speed worth it on vet relics? Working on the basics to get back into the game
thorny gorge
Is it worth swapping unyielding for carapace?
somber axle
i have reciprocity, i dont like death spitter am on dum dum infernus
That's fair I'm also not really a fan of Deathspitter outside of the Recon Mk VIIa/Recon Mk XIV
orchid hemlock
is tough regen speed worth it on vet relics? Working on the basics to get back i...
no
thorny gorge
ember folio
i dont like the idea of toughness regen but this is one of them ig
what changes? goal is to have a good allrounder with focus on team support rather than some of the very selfish builds i see
thorny gorge
5hp 5 toughness and 20gunner or sniper resist
orchid hemlock
what changes? goal is to have a good allrounder with focus on team support rathe...
i mean i disagree with using the laspistol to generate toughness, I prefer the plasma: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62/healing-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
torn root
is tough regen speed worth it on vet relics? Working on the basics to get back i...
toughness, combat ability regen [only if you want] maybe health, and 5% toughness
orchid hemlock
but again I dont like the idea of generating toughness peroid
wet ether
im just crying over 1 second
Quit ya crying there are weirdos out there who don’t even have proper builds put together
ember folio
oh yeah theres the issue then; i hate plasma
torn root
mostly because you have toughnes DR
tall torrent
its good ttk outside of ability
U don’t need deadshot for this gun
formal relic
does anyone know what percentage point a power sword gets its 4th dodge at?
ember folio
it might be effective but ive tried it before, feels awful to use
for me i mean
torn root
Quit ya crying there are weirdos out there who don’t even have proper builds put...
the only reason i can play this shit is because of deadshot
orchid hemlock
deadhsot is bad on recon imo
somber axle
Deadshot, Reciprocity, Opening Salvo and +5% crit chance perk on weapon sounds hilarious LMFAO
torn root
wait 1 sec
thorny gorge
deadhsot is bad on recon imo
Is that the weakspot talent?
somber axle
what is that
wet ether
the only reason i can play this shit is because of deadshot
Why the fuck are you using deadshot on las recon
torn root
wtf
somber axle
70% crit chance?
tall torrent
Is that the weakspot talent?
No, it drains ur stamina for crit chance
torn root
same ttk without deadshot
thorny gorge
Oh
torn root
LMAO
orchid hemlock
Is that the weakspot talent?
ember folio
so what can i do for an allrounder with focus on team support build without getting plasma gun lol
somber axle
75% crit chance with the other 5% crit chance talent node in the tree too
wet ether
Fuck you are one of those weirdos
thorny gorge
thorny gorge
somber axle
Tbh I feel like Deadshot requires Target Down + Duck and Dive to make it feel ok on the Recon Mk VId/Recon Mk XII because of how fast it drinks through your stamina otherwise
torn root
so 55% crit with reciprocity stacked
somber axle
You need a reliable way of getting it back quick
torn root
Tbh I feel like Deadshot requires Target Down + Duck and Dive to make it feel ok...
got both
tall torrent
for unfernus
U don’t rly need it because infernus stacks to 12 stacks (max) in 3 hits
Deadshot doesn’t matter much in that situation
orchid hemlock
deadshot requires a lot of things to line up to work
torn root
You need a reliable way of getting it back quick
im just being dumb
somber axle
Deadshot is one of my fav talents LOL
orchid hemlock
i also dont like the idea of having to juggle stamina on a gun like the recon
somber axle
It feels like juggling another resource in a fight and it feels really fun to play around
thorny gorge
im just being dumb
If its not dumb is it fun?
somber axle
It's just extra unwieldy on the fastest firing gun in the game
thorny gorge
Yee
torn root
Lame
tall torrent
Crit string is 2 shots, so in one crit you stacked to 8
thorny gorge
But
torn root
no wonder it did no damage
orchid hemlock
also critting is mostly to proc shocktrooper, the recons dont have a lot of finesse damage anyways
tall torrent
You just don’t need deadshot (ever tbh)
torn root
aaah
somber axle
Crit chance is important for Shocktrooper synergy (and just general damage boost)
torn root
okay okay im learning
tall torrent
Deadshot is a bad pick in 95% situations
torn root
Deadshot is a bad pick in 95% situations
you shut your filthy mouth
thorny gorge
Isnt it good on hellbore?
somber axle
It's a very fun talent
wet ether
im just being dumb
Take off the plus 10% extra rending it’s not that good
tall torrent
Isnt it good on hellbore?
I don’t enjoy the crit farming aspect of it
orchid hemlock
yeah deadshot is bad i refuse to believe that people are not coping taking it 😔
somber axle
But it's going to get you killed unless you like juggling and know how to do it well
radiant adder
Which shovel is best? And what blessings are best?
somber axle
wdym it's fine on stuff like Shotguns, Helbores, even Infantry Lasguns imo
orchid hemlock
Take off the plus 10% extra rending it’s not that good
rending is extremly important on lasguns due to having low armor pen
it also stacks with onslaught
somber axle
It's really not as big a detriment to juggle stamina as it seems as long as you use it with Target Down and/or Duck and Dive
torn root
Take off the plus 10% extra rending it’s not that good
rending benefits smaller hits
it is slightly noticable
somber axle
it's just extra difficult to juggle with automatic weapons
thorny gorge
Recon las is one of the guns that doesnt need a keystone btw
somber axle
it's sorta just free crit if you don't run yourself dry on stamina LOL
wet ether
rending is extremly important on lasguns due to having low armor pen
Eh I would personally recommend getting determined
radiant adder
If anyone uses shovel could you tell me which one is best / which blessings to use?
wet ether
Onslaught by itself Is a powerful
torn root
i see why ppl clowned on it
somber axle
It's the clown's choice award weapon in my heart always
earnest bone
If anyone uses shovel could you tell me which one is best / which blessings to u...
try Standard MK1 with Flak/Maniac and Uncanny Strike/Decimator
orchid hemlock
Onslaught by itself Is a powerful
nah, onslaught is kinda cope talent it just works well with recons because it stacks fast and has a large clip size
torn root
Recon las is one of the guns that doesnt need a keystone btw
key stone is strictly for stamina, it just happnens to give me more damage than the other choices
orchid hemlock
onslaught really is just there to help you deal with 10% of enemies
thorny gorge
orchid hemlock
that's it
tall torrent
its way more noticable on something like the columnus tho
Vraks V has 3 crit string
This gun has 2 crit string
wet ether
Hold up are you guys talking about the previous columnus for infantry auto guns
torn root
nah, onslaught is kinda cope talent it just works well with recons because it st...
doesnt it affect burn too tho|?
earnest bone
onslaught really is just there to help you deal with 10% of enemies
well its also a small damage boost on maniacs, flak and unyelding
so it works
tall torrent
And Vraks V has very high finesse modifier
Recon does not
wet ether
That’s now named vraks
somber axle
onslaught really is just there to help you deal with 10% of enemies
wdym it helps with ADM vs Carapace and Unyielding, improves your damage vs Flak and Maniac too
split sapphire
Remind me of the best blessing/perk set up for the bolt gun somebody, i got everything unlocked for a ranged set up
somber axle
the Recons have a 0.5 ADM vs Maniac iirc
so it's also helping you there vs Ragers/Muties
tall torrent
Recon finesse only does like 30% more damage, it’s very low
orchid hemlock
wdym it helps with ADM vs Carapace and Unyielding, improves your damage vs Flak ...
yes but the small damage increase doesn't jusitfy 4 talent nodes t get to it
somber axle
it's not changing TTK much vs squishier targets
orchid hemlock
the main reason you take onslaught is for crushers
tall torrent
Remind me of the best blessing/perk set up for the bolt gun somebody, i got ever...
Flak + maniac
Pinning fire + puncture/surgical
somber axle
but it is absolutely improving your ADM vs the vast majority of specials/elites including bosses
split sapphire
Flak + maniac
Pinning fire + puncture/surgical
Many thanks
wet ether
She still my go too
somber axle
the only ones it's not really helping against are the Dreg Gunners/Dreg Shotgunners
wet ether
For my vet
somber axle
but they die really fast anyway
tall torrent
maulers scab ragers
Nah, it’s just crusher
orchid hemlock
maulers scab ragers
no, maulers can be killed easily on the chest
somber axle
Rending Strikes + Onslaught trivializes the ADM woes Recons have vs a lot of things
tall torrent
Onslaught doesn’t change TTK for those enemies by that much
torn root
Well I guess I’m a clown then because I love that gun
oh no if you love columnus you are a king
orchid hemlock
ragers are not difficult to kill with ranged weapons if you have maniac on them
somber axle
Onslaught has a very noticeable change on TTK/DPS vs bosses
it's a very worthwhile pick on the Recon Mk VId/Recon Mk XII
I wouldn't grab it on the VIIa/XIV though
and it's kinda eh on the II/VIc
I wouldn't go out of my way for Onslaught on the II/VIc tbh
orchid hemlock
like I said onslaught's damage doesn't jusitfy going 4 nodes to it when you can use those to get damage elswhere
torn root
i reckon it would be much slower without rending onslaught
somber axle
the 4 nodes you get are really good nodes though
stam regen delay, either Duck and Dive or Close Quarters Kill Zone
orchid hemlock
u can't take recip which is what u need for recon
somber axle
the only bad thing is pathing to Weapon Specialist
tall torrent
i reckon it would be much slower without rending onslaught
Without deadshot, u also don’t need target down
orchid hemlock
melee is ehh
somber axle
u can't take recip which is what u need for recon
yeah you can
what does your tree look like that you can't afford Recip?
it's within 1 point
somber axle
if you're already in right tree you're right there
orchid hemlock
ok but u still need to waste another point to get it
somber axle
it's literally next to the 5% melee node above it
orchid hemlock
yes I am aware?
somber axle
yeah that's not a big deal imo
orchid hemlock
but it is not pathing towards onsalught
somber axle
the funny Recon shredding build is talent tax expensive but if you decide not to grab the important bits you might as well not be using the Recon
orchid hemlock
when I am saying u need to waste nodes I am talking about the nodes required to get to onslaught
somber axle
I don't see it as wasting imo
torn root
dead shot legit doesnt do much for it
torn root
Without deadshot, u also don’t need target down
uuugh this gun
orchid hemlock
dont care that isn't what I am talking about
somber axle
the only waste is if you path to Weapon Specialist through Onslaught because it's Skirmisher and that's eh
somber axle
the talents you have to take to reach Onslaught are all good talents and worth having
tall torrent
uuugh this gun
Drop deadshot, drop target down & focus target
orchid hemlock
the only node that isn't a waste to get onslaught is the stamina delay
tall torrent
Deadshot is bad 95% the time, this gun is not within that 5%
somber axle
idk Duck and Dive and/or Close Quarters Kill Zone are both good nodes imo
thorny gorge
Duck and dive is goated lmao
orchid hemlock
idk Duck and Dive and/or Close Quarters Kill Zone are both good nodes imo
they are ok, but in comparison to nodes like focus target, desperato, recip, bring it down, hell even longshot
thorny gorge
Why desperato on recon
somber axle
the extra stam is nice during fights whether you're on the Recon or using the stam for push attacks and that's such a massive QoL change for using Knife or Rashad when bullying a bunch of Ragers into stagger
orchid hemlock
or utility like field
torn root
they have about the same time killing enemies
i just didnt have to use my ability for it
somber axle
they are ok, but in comparison to nodes like focus target, desperato, recip, bri...
Longshot is bad
ember folio
is veteran still the OpClassTM
somber axle
do not
tall torrent
they have about the same time killing enemies
You don’t need to aim headshot on mauler
pastel zealot
hey what perks for infernus + headhunter recon?
somber axle
it's providing almost no value in the vast majority of engagements and the few times it adds damage it isn't going to noticeably change your breakpoints
pastel zealot
flak+maniac?
tall torrent
they are ok, but in comparison to nodes like focus target, desperato, recip, bri...
Longshot is ass
somber axle
it's just fluff damage if you're across a room shooting at a boss
tall torrent
hey what perks for infernus + headhunter recon?
5% crit chance + flak
pastel zealot
kk
orchid hemlock
yeah I know it is ass, but it is better than 5% melee 💀
somber axle
Longshot is never worth taking ever tbh but Exhil Takedown is fun so I cope
thorny gorge
hey what perks for infernus + headhunter recon?
5 critchance and unyielding or carapace
tall torrent
yeah I know it is ass, but it is better than 5% melee 💀
No
Longshot is way worse than 5% melee damage
wet ether
if using this build and this beauty of a weapon that that is still my dear faithful mk V autogun than i am a clown
tall torrent
5 melee damage can actually change breakpoints, Longshot is not doing anything
somber axle
Longshot for the Recon is kinda silly and not worth spending the talent point
tall torrent
It’s just a total waste of a point
somber axle
maybe if you're way behind the team and they aggro a bunch of Crushers it might slightly help you as you spray from so far away
it's not worth taking
torn root
Longshot is way worse than 5% melee damage
yeah long shot kinda bad
somber axle
there are way more impactful nodes
gray nebula
anyone got a link to a mod to increase loadouts beyond 5?
tall torrent
yeah long shot kinda bad
It’s not “kinda bad”, it’s “dogshit”
+0.6% ranged damage at 13m, yea sure that’s definitely worth spending 1 point
torn root
if using this build and this beauty of a weapon that that is still my dear faith...
no no mk5 is a goat
somber axle
I think Longshot needs a rework too tbh
wet ether
oi sneaky cat think i'll be joining you in the clown department bud
somber axle
it's just too weak right now to justify
orchid hemlock
for a talent tree that focuses heavily on the recon i can see it more valuable since u are putting all of your eggs in that basket
but again why would I waste points towards onslaught if I can get 5% melee and recip and bring it down and desperato?
torn root
It’s not “kinda bad”, it’s “dogshit”
+0.6% ranged damage at 13m, yea sure that’s...
daaayum, that low?
i didnt know the numbers i just knew it felt bad to use
somber axle
oi sneaky cat think i'll be joining you in the clown department bud
did you see the new episode of Digital Circus or do you mean you're taking up Recons too?
wet ether
did you see the new episode of Digital Circus or do you mean you're taking up Re...
taking up recons
somber axle
welcome to the Recon team
tall torrent
daaayum, that low?
Because they changed close range from 8m to 12.5m, Longshot now only activates at 12.5m+
It’s just horrible now
torn root
Because they changed close range from 8m to 12.5m, Longshot now only activates a...
bruh
creating new problems by solving old ones is crazy
torn root
https://tenor.com/view/40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-122...
why this look like gtfo even tho i know its not
orchid hemlock
smth like this ig: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
torn root
smth like this ig: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-b...
BUT WHY NOT JUST GET FOCUS TARGET?!
im upset
orchid hemlock
because I would rather have melee nodes than focus target
somber axle
for a talent tree that focuses heavily on the recon i can see it more valuable s...
It's already very talent tax expensive because you need to dip your talents deep into all three parts of the bottom tree. Shocktrooper, Rending Strikes and Onslaught are important and massively change how the gun feels/plays. If you drop Onslaught you no longer have the ability to shoot Crushers and your damage vs bosses changes noticeably too. It also slightly affects DPS/TTK vs Flak/Maniac and that sorta encompasses most of the threats you'll regularly deal with outside of Unarmoured targets like Bombers/Dregs/Snipers. The bright side is that unless you worm it up hardcore you're comfortably in range to reach Focus Target or Weapon Specialist without sacrificing Iron Will or some form of grenade regen (Stockpile/Demo Team) and if you path down center tree you're picking up VoC/Stockpile anyway for cheap and can skip on Demo Team too. It's talent tax expensive but it's not that big of a deal tbh
torn root
because I would rather have melee nodes than focus target
also kinda valid
somber axle
Depending on the build yeah I'll grab Determined
but usually I skip it when using the Recon Mk VId/Recon Mk XII
tall torrent
do you actually need determined?
for infantry lasgun, absolutely
infantry lasgun without suppression immunity is unplayable
torn root
but also isnt this one of the few guns that benefit less from rending?
tall torrent
i said less
no, infantry lasgun has bad flak ADM
somber axle
you can grab Focus Target and Redirect Fire and still get Desperado
tall torrent
it needs rending
torn root
no, infantry lasgun has bad flak ADM
aah
orchid hemlock
focus target imo is also hard cope at times tbh
somber axle
you can path through Skirmisher into Weapon Specialist and get Desperado
it's flexible
orchid hemlock
because u dont get the full value of it the majority of the time
somber axle
if you want to go keystoneless you can shove the 3 points where ever
torn root
focus target imo is also hard cope at times tbh
nah i kinda agree, its only ever worth imo if you can grab one of the upgrades
tall torrent
focus target imo is also hard cope at times tbh
for weapons that need redirect fire for breakpoints, no
otherwise, yea
somber axle
Focus Target + Redirect Fire is nice
tall torrent
like, if u play plasma, u basically just go focus target
somber axle
5 stack RF is 7.5% and 2 stack FT is 8% so at minimum as long as you're consistently pinging and killing you're maintaining a 15.5% buff vs whatever target you're shooting at
orchid hemlock
yeah in weapons u need to reach breakpoints, focus gives u the ability to reach them
but recon has 200 billion bullets
tall torrent
5 stack RF is 7.5% and 2 stack FT is 8% so at minimum as long as you're consiste...
it's not 15.5%
because those 2 buffs are not the same additive bracket
somber axle
is this a funny math moment
yeah LOL
I always forget which are additive and which are multiplicative
tall torrent
focus target is strong because it's "dmg taken" which is multiplicative to dmg and strength
orchid hemlock
focus is important in a build like this:https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cee53c5-6790-478f-88b0-9e58dcb16bbb/infinite-ammo-glitch?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
somber axle
focus is important in a build like this:https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds...
no Recip or Deadshot for Helbore?
Surgical is nice but like after Surv changes without another source of crit Helbores can slowly chew through ammo
orchid hemlock
i dont like helbore peroid
orchid hemlock
but the point is to show where focus is useful
somber axle
but you begin to sweat toward the end of no ammo maels when it's orange and ticking closer to red LOL
Focus Target is really useful for team support with Target Down and for Deadshot memes
It's not just for breakpoints but that's definitely one of the best use cases
somber axle
I can't imagine the 8 stack ever being useful outside of like
maybe Karnak Twins?
and that's a generous maybe
torn root
thats when you sharpen your bayonet
best part of that gun
somber axle
I'm sad they changed Helbore bayonet charging
it feels so wonky now
still fun but it's awkward adjusting
tall torrent
Focus Target is really useful for team support with Target Down and for Deadshot...
deadshot kinda scales better with marksman's focus now
weakspot kills regain 10% stamina
it's just a shame that deadshot is not worth in 95% situations
and in the last 5% it comes down to point luxury
somber axle
deadshot kinda scales better with marksman's focus now
Yeah Tunnel Vision is nice but it's less team support vs Target Down and as nice as the weakspot kills 10% stam is it feels more comfy leaning into FT/RF for breakpoints on the Helbore still
torn root
stll 100% sure that dead shot was meant to be used with target down
it feels natural
especially with duck and dive
tall torrent
after marksman's focus's subnode got changed, it just gains stamina better
10% for every weakspot kill vs 10% for every tagged enemy killed
it doesn't say ranged weakspot kill either
somber axle
It's extra fun using Deadshot while running MF/CitA/TV with the Recon Mk II/Recon Mk VIc
probably one of my fav playstyles atm
tall torrent
it doesn't say ranged weakspot kill either
nvm it is only ranged weakspot kill
still more efficient than target down
torn root
nvm it is only ranged weakspot kill
was about to say
somber axle
spray head height and enjoy extra rending and stam gain for just shooting
torn root
target down also ahs the benefit of just taking focus target which doesnt need prior kills
i rather middle grounds than peaks you can fall off of
somber axle
CitA and Rending Strikes feel really good on the Recon Mk VIc and Recon Mk XIV since Onslaught is so eh on them
somber axle
target down also ahs the benefit of just taking focus target which doesnt need p...
Yeah it's nicer being able to start fights at your breakpoints instead of needing to work up to them with MF
if there's downtime between fights and you're sprinting around the stacks are gone
but the buff to MF duration has been really nice
less hectic juggling
tall torrent
Yeah it's nicer being able to start fights at your breakpoints instead of needin...
that's my main complaint with MF
I wish MF was just
u have 10 stacks, but drop them if u hit non-weakspot
gain with weakspot kill
that'd be so so so much better
somber axle
I feel like the duration buffs are a bandaid fix to a keystone that just doesn't feel good to play with
radiant chasm
Honestly i think they should just make it like dd
somber axle
I think it needs a rework
radiant chasm
decay quickly one at a time, but earns simply (weakspot hits against larger enemies and weakspot kills in general)
tall torrent
Honestly i think they should just make it like dd
nah cuz vet cares about consistent breakpoints, DD still has fluctuation
and psyker is inherently more RNG (crits) & doesn't care about breakpoints all that much
radiant chasm
Ehh then MF should just get a whole rework
somber axle
It sorta needs it but idk if Fatshark has it on the radar at all
They at least knew it was a very unpopular pick when they buffed the duration
radiant chasm
I think zealot will be the next major changes
tall torrent
Ehh then MF should just get a whole rework
well yea, I think my proposal is pretty good
radiant chasm
Fotf can easily be stretched out to have more optional nodes and defat the main ability
tall torrent
u just have stacks that decrease when u hit non-weakspot
but gain them back with weakspot hits
it still encourages u to hit as many weakspots as u can
but u get the full benefit at the start of fights
radiant chasm
Like the one sniper rifle in teamfortress 2?
tall torrent
They at least knew it was a very unpopular pick when they buffed the duration
it's still a very unpopular pick
I don't see many people use it
left side veteran talents still need work imo
killzone still meh
torn root
Honestly i think they should just make it like dd
no
tall torrent
I wish I could get shock trooper without having to go through fully loaded
torn root
plx lets not give rng to vet
somber axle
it's still a very unpopular pick
I think it's the most unpopular keystone for sure but idk if left tree is the most unpopular side of the Vet tree
somber axle
some people still lean into Surv Aura and after the change to Exe Stance people have been running it more lately
radiant chasm
You get stacks from weakspot hits (elites and up) and weakspot kills from anything and just lose stacks quickly but one at a time
tall torrent
I think it's the most unpopular keystone for sure but idk if left tree is the mo...
still is
torn root
You get stacks from weakspot hits (elites and up) and weakspot kills from anythi...
that SHOULD be how most stacks work in thins damn game
somber axle
plus Shredder Frags will always have the Grenadier Lethal Proximity meme and even outside of that they're still probably the best grenade overall
radiant chasm
It’s unpopular cause people can use it poorly and then hate it
radiant chasm
You’ll see it with a vet trying out MF and they just crab walk everywhere or standstill
somber axle
and I think that's probably consistent across all difficulties
tall torrent
It’s unpopular cause people can use it poorly and then hate it
no I just don't like having to have already killed things to get my dmg bonus that are supposed to contribute to my breakpoints
somber axle
I don't think lower difficulty Vets are touching MF either
but who knows?
Fatshark can probably see the metrics there
radiant chasm
no I just don't like having to have already killed things to get my dmg bonus th...
Thats why i said hits should contribute but only on mobs that show up in the kill feed
radiant adder
Is 4 still best devil claw sword?
tall torrent
Thats why i said hits should contribute but only on mobs that show up in the kil...
I'd rather it just be a permanently up buff that drops from not hitting weakspots
wet ether
question whats classed as elite exactly?
tall torrent
it's unintuitive to play and only interacts with ur gun
somber axle
It’s unpopular cause people can use it poorly and then hate it
That's true but also even if you are both good at and also like juggling and maintaining stacks it still feels awkward starting fights at 0 stacks if MF is where you're finding breakpoints
radiant chasm
I don’t think any keystone is just a straight buff
tall torrent
question whats classed as elite exactly?
shotgunner, rager, mauler, gunner, crusher, bulwark, reaper
radiant chasm
There has to be a gimmick
tall torrent
There has to be a gimmick
yea, my proposal is "hit weakspot to maintain ur max killing efficiency"
somber axle
question whats classed as elite exactly?
Any enemy that's normally found patrolling the map is the easy way to remember it