veteran-class

[red robin]

What horrors of the warp do to a mf

[trim lantern]

There's something... "off" about this...

[trim lantern]

The shading in particular

Especially for the hair

[orchid hemlock]

the 2 paths of femboy:

trans

or

extremely terminally online

[rain badger]

Well I see there are new blessings for bolter, brauto, and plasma. Any of them considered must runs?

[trim lantern]

I'll leave it at that

[red robin]

3. Unchecked porn addiction

[frank ether]

ultramales

[orchid hemlock]

isn't that the second?

[rain badger]

Do they do it on porpoise?

[orchid hemlock]

depends

[errant sable]

loving this build

[orchid hemlock]

I have a feeling that Tanner represents the latter

[frank basin]

what the fuck the chat is going on?

femboy bullshit and spess mureeeee bullshit this time?

[rain badger]

What gun should I run on auric damnation?

[frank basin]

grey weapon

no talent

green curio

[rain badger]

Best melee weapon to deal with moebian 21st groaners?

[frank basin]

heavysword is nice

[errant sable]

the punch from combat knife

[rain badger]

I tried heavy sword, but not sure on the blessings to use.

[frank basin]

slaughter something

with savage sweep

[rain badger]

I just spam heavies with it?

[frank basin]

or deathblow if you have low cleave target

[faint beacon]

Heavy sword bitch smacks 21st groaners

[frank basin]

there's mk9 does horizontal cleave

[rain badger]

Vraks II Brauto with death spitter and the new blessing for suppression and damage is bretty güd.

Instantly making all the enemies cower

[faint beacon]

Forgot to respond to it but it’s usually initiated via Light 1 -> Heavy Spam

[frank basin]

3 different heavy sword has different heavy attack pattern

mk9 you said Gale

last time

[oblique totem]

I look away for one (1) day, and this is what happens.

[real osprey]

does it ever go above 80%..?

[uncut pebble]

Deathblow headtaker is BIS for hsword.

[uncut pebble]

No.

[real osprey]

sigh

[uncut pebble]

80% is the cap on all stats.

[real osprey]

grr

why not just call it 100% then...

[uncut pebble]

Because fatshark isn't known for making the greatest decisions.

Hell, half the ui in the game outright lies to you.

[real osprey]

placebos

[frank basin]

mod related bug, i swap mark it shown stats n/a 100%

[oblique totem]

Nope. 80 is the max for some reason.

[uncut pebble]

Not mod related, that just happens sometimes.

Happened to me before I reinstalled some basic QOL mods.

[frank basin]

i still had n/a 100%

thats the bug

[uncut pebble]

It happens because some weapons have different stat types, like one of the combat axes doesn't have finesse.

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, it's a bug, but it's not mod related.

Obese fish will fix it eventually.

Some localizations are also broken, too. The rending blessing for hsword is broken iirc.

[faint beacon]

Fucking what, which one lacks Finesse

[uncut pebble]

Antax?

It has cleave targets iirc.

Or maybe it's achlys.

I dont know, I don't use combat axes unless it's rashad.

[frank basin]

Alchy do not have finesse

Cleave target they have

[faint beacon]

Rashad just deleting everything, idgaf I’m still using Heavy Sword

[uncut pebble]

That's because heavy sword is an axe in function but is a sick ass fucking sword.

[frank basin]

Dueling sword

I saw revolver vet using DS

[faint beacon]

Dog shit against carapace vs Rashad

Unless you’re patient

Like I am

[frank basin]

Just run anti armor ranged gun

[uncut pebble]

Mk9 hsword, h1 special loop.

[frank basin]

If you can’t kill 4 crusher at once

[uncut pebble]

The crusher will die eventually.

[faint beacon]

Or again an okay gun with rending strikes

HHA’s with Rending Strikes teehee

[frank basin]

Burst round HHa?

[faint beacon]

Usually 6-7 swings

[uncut pebble]

Gale, how good is no respite on vigilants?

[faint beacon]

Meh

It’s there

[uncut pebble]

Actually curious because I'm leveling them rn.

[faint beacon]

Deadly Accurate + Headhunter will always be my go too seeing the gun is literally built on

You click weakpoint and win

[frank basin]

I remember when I encounter crusher it take time to kill it as psyker

[faint beacon]

If you don’t, suffer

[frank basin]

Using SG

[frank ether]

if your bar is rashad you're not gonna have a great time with a lot of weapons

[faint beacon]

Literally

[frank ether]

rashad is the problem one in your comparission

[faint beacon]

Rashad is literally the end all be all melee weapon

[frank ether]

unfortunately we are at this level of power creep where we cant have interesting weapons with trade-offs

[frank basin]

Rashad is one on one heavy armored target

[faint beacon]

It’s why heavy sword is unironically my favorite melee

It’s Rashad with an actual downside

Aka not great carapace damage

[frank basin]

Decapitator

[faint beacon]

Trying to recall my melee weapon main journey

[frank basin]

Running powersword feel like middle ground

[frank ether]

yeah its like rashad if it was balanced

[faint beacon]

Powersword -> Sapper Shovel -> Chainsword -> Sapper Shovel -> Rashad -> SI Shovel -> Rashad -> SI Shovel -> Heavy Sword

[frank basin]

Chainsword aren’t great on carapace

Great on flesh target

[faint beacon]

That is vaguely my journey on melees

Also Shredder stat makes it deal more damage against carapace if you special rev

[frank basin]

I did try rev on carapace

Doesn’t feel satisfying

Is feel like impenetrable

[faint beacon]

WS headshot rev with bloodletter instantly killing a crusher in one rev swing lmao

[frank basin]

I’m going check my CS stats

If my shredder level are low

[frank basin]

I run FT on one loadout

Okay my shredder is 75%

That’s average

But penetration is 44%

[faint beacon]

Penetration also matters

[frank basin]

i only can empowering them up to 60%

[hearty panther]

no greater feeling than dropping into the rail section of Chasm Logistratum just for the Ai director to throw 20 dreg ragers at your ragged team

[frank basin]

CS penetration light and heavy deal more damage on flak tpye

carapse like heavy swing only

[faint beacon]

500 Dreg ragers

[wise turtle]

I love the mace, lets me cosplay as an enforcer, and i can finally open up those dang bulwarks. Secretly an op melee in my opinion

[frail skiff]

Finally! Got 3 17% toughness curious

[hearty panther]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

"finally"

i honestly gave up entirely

[frail skiff]

The 3rd one was in the shop lol

[hearty panther]

even with two perks to reroll (the first rework) getting an actual perfect was so far away

[frail skiff]

233 toughness now

[sleek garden]

i thought it could only make it to 16%

[faint beacon]

1 17 and 1 16

I’ll eventually get another 17 for my main build

17 is just incredibly rare for some reason

[frail skiff]

17% for toughness, 21% for Max HP, 3 for Stamina, and 1 for wounds

[faint beacon]

I have a 21 HP lmao

[frail skiff]

I have 2

[faint beacon]

So I have 223/205 Tough/HP split atm

[frail skiff]

Wish I could give them to my Ogryn

[hearty panther]

yea you can just dump ur melk coins into curios tbh

you're gonna get them eventually

[frail skiff]

I kept getting crap when I did that

[hearty panther]

yea but now you can reroll all three perks

u just need that base

[frail skiff]

I found this 17% in the normal shop after inventory swap

[hearty panther]

legit just a question of time

and finances but honestly idk what purpose melk serves currently

[frail skiff]

Instant 500s I guess?

But I rarely see good stat rolls

Like, all the stats are so mixed

Like I see one stat with 80 and the rest are in the mid to low 70s

[hearty panther]

idk id have to have a fresh account to really get a feel for how masteries play out

but i imagine a lot of people are gonna be reaching 30 and masteries done and have a lot of unspent melk coins

[frail skiff]

Indeed

All you have to do is get a weapon with potential perfect stats

Then once you can make it 500

Boom instant perfect weapon

[lunar jasper]

2 wounds next

[frail skiff]

Melk... needs a new purpose or at least something more to dump Melk bucks into other than weapons

[lunar jasper]

Melk is pretty obsolete now imo

[frail skiff]

Cause my favorite vet build has perfect stats on everything

I'm not sure what could be done to improve him

Maybe in the universe where weapon mods were a thing (outside of mods) Melk could sell weapon mods for your guns

[lunar jasper]

Cosmetics?

[frail skiff]

A third source for cosmetics?

4th actually

Forgot the commisary for a second

[lunar jasper]

Sights

[frail skiff]

This ain't Call of Duty

[lunar jasper]

Vermintide lets you earn the coins used to purchase cosmetics so maybe a system like that? 🤷‍♂️

[frail skiff]

What, an exchange system where you can trade Melk bucks for cash shop cash?

[lunar jasper]

Or just earn shop cash lmao, the weapon purchases in melk are pretty much useless now

[frail skiff]

Maybe more weapon skins

[lunar jasper]

No need to buy new high tier blessings when you can just level them up

[lunar jasper]

It wouldn’t be anything but cosmetic

[viral swallow]

late reply but I'm confused, I'm not seeing any XIV or XII variants for recon lasgun

Just MK II, MK VId, MK VIIa

[alpine trellis]

Does anyone know if the 10% ordo docket perks stack say if I had the perk on two of my curios?

[frail skiff]

MK VId is the fast firing one with over 1k ammo

[somber axle]

The names got changed recently

VId = XII
II = VIc
VIIa = XIV

[viral swallow]

Gotcha ty

[somber axle]

I post both names so Vets more used to the previous names can see which variant I mean vs the new naming stuff

Welcomes!

[unborn perch]

Would someone happen to have a good stealth veteran combat blade build that uses smoke grenades, infiltrate, weapon specialist? Need the talent tree.

[red robin]

I like it with the double barrel

[weary peak]

if vet equips VoC they shouldnt be allowed to go over 200 anything

[unborn perch]

Double barrel would take advantage of weapon specialist. For sure.

[faint beacon]

VOC Golden toughness or just VOC

Cause I've literally been playing Base VOC cause its a power move

[weary peak]

if they equip VOC ability

they shouldnt be allowed to go over 200 anything

id say 150 but people need that to stop burster 1 shots

maybe 150 toughness

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[faint beacon]

The fucking tidal wave of +25 Toughness nodes in the Vet tree

[weary peak]

yea I just glance in vet chat and see you have more toughness/hp than a marty build

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-triple-h-head-nod-nodding-approved-gif-13272682

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-shaking-head-gif-13593506101986476598

[weary peak]

vet is a perfectly fine class

[faint beacon]

Sucks to suck Paradise

[weary peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osoT94KZE3E

[faint beacon]

Anyways im all for a Golden toughness nerf/rework in general on VOC

[weary peak]

https://tenor.com/view/wanna-play-something-hop-on-billions-must-smile-chud-gif-17983476061869895239

[faint beacon]

Cause after running a "Semi-Balanced" version of it

aka

fucking Base VOC

its fun without needing a massive crutch such as Golden

[weary peak]

I think

[faint beacon]

sure bud

[weary peak]

golden/over toughness is a good mechanic

fatshark just kinda borked it

[faint beacon]

I think VOC should've IF they keep it

make it like fucking 10+

so it only saves from 1 hit

[weary peak]

im not too mad about "overshields" in a PvE game

but voc is just ridic

[faint beacon]

Its the fact it gives toughness back + tac awarness

its mainly tac awarness

that shit is my biggest issue

6 second CD on kill of

Doing your fucking job

[ebon maple]

Just getting back into things after taking a break. Do veterans have a decent melee build anymore?"

[weary peak]

psykinetics aura at home (this time its better)

[faint beacon]

Im all for gutting tac awarness I wont lie

[somber axle]

Yeah melee Vet is still strong and you can use a lot of different weapons depending on the playstyle you want

[faint beacon]

the moment that happens it really helps balance

[weary peak]

you know whats funny I think psyk aura

should get nerfed as well

[real flicker]

PS vs CS?

[weary peak]

but since i never take it im just going to see a wave of soykers bitching

it'll be great

[somber axle]

Rashad Mk II Combat Axe (recently renamed to Mk III) is still king afaik? But Knife and Power Sword are also still strong too

[faint beacon]

Like seriously

Doing fucking job

here's 6 seconds off it

it should be a small % instead so it benefits the heavier CDs and punishes VOC

[somber axle]

I like the suggestion Numbers Cat made of making it percentage based and not X seconds

[faint beacon]

I've fucking started playing this with BASE VOC

and it works just as well

[somber axle]

Indirectly nerfs VoC without being too heavy handed, weirdly buffs Infiltrate, and Exe Stance uptime becomes more reliant on killing highlighted targets

[faint beacon]

Like seriously if you're a vet you never really have over 200 Damage taken with Base VOC on that combo

minus snipers or bursters

cause idfk why

but lately teammates are very very prone to shooting bursters near me

[somber axle]

Auric Quickplay has a lot of creatures lately LOL

I think the infected Moebian 21st event is tripping up a lot of people because I have noticed people going down to basic hordes without any elites or specials around

[faint beacon]

Rashad users fumble to 21st Groaners lmao

Heavy Sword flies through them

I only win

lmao

[tall torrent]

15% CDR would be better

4.5s for exe / VoC
6.75s for infil

[weary peak]

does this have no internal CDR?

this and psykinetics aura should have short internal CDRs but thats just me

(people love the ability spam creep)

[faint beacon]

nope

you kill like

4 Pox hounds from the Modifier

and instantly get CD back

Literally Tac Awarness is the BIGGEST reason VOC is cancerous

Cause your job as a Veteran is ranged anti special so you damn well know you're proccing it every damn second

[tall torrent]

No

I don’t think internal CD is best solution for CDR skills

[weary peak]

that or reduce how much CDR they give

[tall torrent]

I think it should have an activation cap between ability uses

[oblique totem]

Can't be thrown off if you go down to normal hoards anyway.

[tall torrent]

Like, u should only be able to proc it 3 times between ability uses

[oblique totem]

Also, completely unrelated but a new episode of digital circus is out.

Sneaky Cat just reminds me of it, so I shared it here

[somber axle]

I would watch if I wasn't working right now

The new episode came out exactly at the time I start work tonight

[oblique totem]

Cosmic convergence

[tawdry jackal]

how

[oblique totem]

Flamer explosion?

I think maybe plasma gun malfunction if you tried really hard

[indigo edge]

What are the best perks to put on a power sword?

For breakpoints and all that

[oblique totem]

Pretty sure power cycle is a must

[frail skiff]

Power Cycle is manditory

[oblique totem]

See?

[frail skiff]

You want this

[indigo edge]

Yeah I just got that to level 4

[frail skiff]

Bromentum lets you clear hordes super efficently

[rotund tartan]

blow up a flamer

[frail skiff]

Sunder let's you deal with mixed hordes more effectively

[indigo edge]

I'll definitely get that then, whole reason I'm running a power sword is that helbore is crap against hordes.

[tawdry jackal]

lol

[thorny gorge]

ima try out a plasma build

[frail skiff]

If you're looking for good horde clear then use this

[thorny gorge]

how is this for a base

[frail skiff]

69% charge rate, 71% Thermal resist

Plasma gun is one of the few guns that doesn't have a dump stat

[indigo edge]

That's probably wise though power sword does make a satisfying swoosh noise on the special attack

[frail skiff]

I use PS with Graia Brauto gun to help clear carapace and maulers

[indigo lark]

i'm a bit confused, i've been looking into lasguns and i have a kantrael Mk IX but i don't see that on games lantern, all i see referenced are like the MG XII and such. is the upgrade path into the MG XII?

[frail skiff]

They renamed weapons in this update

[indigo lark]

ah crap

[frail skiff]

In the menu you can swap between MKs now

Select a weapon and in the top right you will see "Marks"

[indigo lark]

yeah, so the options i have right now for this lasgun is Mk VII, Mk IX and Mk IIb

for marks

which one do i want? kinda info overload

[frail skiff]

MK IX is the hardest hitting but slowest firing

I think MK VII is the middle of the road

[indigo lark]

so if i'm more into popping headshots on specials, is that one i want to go with?

[frail skiff]

It would get the job done

[indigo lark]

i typically search out and kill the specials while the team kills the small guys

[frail skiff]

I personally use the MK IX because I've used it since launch when it was the most powerful vet gun back then

[indigo lark]

ok. which perk and blessing would i want to carry on it? right now i have 70% crit weak spot

[coarse tide]

agile or uncanny for duelling sword?

[tame lodge]

Uncanny, lmao

[indigo lark]

awesome, thanks for this

[frail skiff]

np

[tame lodge]

Unless someone did the math to see if vets don't need uncanny on the DS

Naaaah

[frail skiff]

What does uncanny do again?

I haven't used the dueling sword

[tame lodge]

It stacks rending on spot hits

Rending still OP so

[frail skiff]

Ah

[indigo lark]

what primary weapon do you run?

[frail skiff]

Currently?

Graia Braced Autogun

[indigo lark]

i mean melee

[frail skiff]

Oh

Lemme check for that build

It was either PS or the axe

[indigo lark]

i'm using rashad combat axe atm

[frail skiff]

That will probably do for now

[indigo lark]

what's the goal for melee weapon

[frail skiff]

To make breathing space for shooting priority targets

[indigo lark]

i mean like, endgame weapon

planning on going squad leader build

[coarse tide]

i feel like i need uncanny for horde clearing, but need agile to not take damage, tough choice

[frail skiff]

Maybe learn to use power sword then. It's really good for dealing with mixed hordes

[indigo lark]

when i get to unlocking it i'll try it out, thanks a ton for your help

[frail skiff]

NP

[quick seal]

what is dump stat on combat shotgun

[frail skiff]

Eventually when you get to the point you can reliably not go down. Aim for getting 15-17% toughness curios in all 3 slots over wounds. With Iron will it feels like you effectively have 400 toughness

[tall torrent]

Stability

[quick seal]

thanks

is combat shotgun good now?

i used combat shotgun on vet previously

now it's available to psyker?

is it worth using ?

[thorny gorge]

i cant be stopped

[somber axle]

Time to put Flechette on your Shotgun and grab Serrated Blade too

[frail skiff]

Don't forget manstopper

[thorny gorge]

im trying to max out dot dmg with focus target

but i kill shit in the meat grind too fast

[frail skiff]

Sounds like a boss killer build

[thorny gorge]

im using the old recon infernus build

it was a pain in the ass trying to get the right weapon rolls i needed

[unborn perch]

Would someone happen to have a good stealth veteran combat blade build that uses smoke grenades, infiltrate, weapon specialist? Need the talent tree.

[frail skiff]

Something like this?

[fading rivet]

What’s the better mark for Las Pistol?

[frail skiff]

Well, I have a sneaky sniper build that uses combat axe, helbore, infiltrate, and smoke nades

It uses Marksman keystones though since well... shocktrooper

[unborn perch]

I’d be interested in seeing it if you don’t mind. I’m just using this at the moment. Not really sure what’s most optimal though.

[frail skiff]

You effectively have infinite ammo

[frank basin]

Apply bleed fastest you can build

Yeah that making cole ripping his hair

[frail skiff]

Most of the keystone mods for Weapon Specialist are not great

Always Prepared is very cheesy on a double barrel shotgun build though

[frank basin]

Melee q m1 boom repeat

[thorny gorge]

Yea but im taking headhunter

[austere mica]

Always prepared is the only keystone mod for Weapon spec that is consistently worth it

[thorny gorge]

Just for better ammo eco with shock trooper

[frail skiff]

Ah, so this

[frank basin]

Running with revolver like you are John wick

[unborn perch]

I thought so too, that’s why I took em all just to get the most from it. I’m really just interested in going full stealth role.

[frail skiff]

I see

[thorny gorge]

No but that looks fun, i should build one

[frail skiff]

Vigilant is the headhunter AR renamed

[thorny gorge]

Oh no the blessing headhunter

[frail skiff]

Aaaaaah

lol

Still getting all these names mixed up

[thorny gorge]

All g

I just stack crit so i dont blow through my ammo super fast

And i take the brittleness talent

[frail skiff]

You have to actively be mag dumping into hordes to run out of ammo

[thorny gorge]

Yee

[frail skiff]

Onslaught?

[thorny gorge]

Yea

[frail skiff]

yeah, pretty much my recon build

[thorny gorge]

I just run the funny knife lmao

[frail skiff]

Although, I have ganged a new appreciation for the Graia Braced Autogun

[thorny gorge]

The autoguns are fire

[edgy condor]

Any of the Sniper Lasguns meta now, or is the plasma still utterly dominant

[frail skiff]

M249 at home

[thorny gorge]

[frail skiff]

Helbore is still ammo efficent to hell and back

[thorny gorge]

That looks cool

[frail skiff]

But Plasma will still beat it out in terms of deleting a whole wave of ragers in 10 seconds

I wonder if vet will get a heavy stubber (like in the left pciture of the skill tree) or a Hotshot-Volley gun

I just want big daka for vet

[frail skiff]

That poor lasgun is having an identity crisis

[fickle narwhal]

is there any way to have this pose with my equiped weapon?

[frail skiff]

Like this?

[fickle narwhal]

Yes but at the game looks like laser always

[frail skiff]

What are you trying to use?

Cause your picture shows a boltgun

[umbral scaffold]

nope

[fickle narwhal]

Yes in the menu looks like bolter but bot at the end of the game

[tame lodge]

Plasma will always dominate
Try not to use it for comparison

And no, helbores still not meta

Despite going ammo positive

And packing punches

[frail skiff]

It has a niche in no ammo missions

[gilded wraith]

Third best blessing on rashad after headhunter and brutal momentum?

[tame lodge]

Probably decimator

[tall torrent]

no, it's bugged

[tall torrent]

not exactly cuz they don't kill maulers that fast lol

HB3 maybe

1 and 2 not so much

[unborn perch]

What is the best sapper shovel mk?

[tall torrent]

1 & 7

[soft solstice]

question for the perfect strike blessing, does the ignore the armor mass thing on crit give it unlimited cleave, or does it just make it that each target hit reduces cleave by a max of 1 unit?

[orchid hemlock]

It doesn't give you unlimited cleave, but it cleaves thru them all as if they were trash mobs with 0 armor

[soft solstice]

also I want to say all shovels are pretty good, original has a simple moveset with a nice feeling special stagger, one pretty much has all vanguard lights for easy swings and the damage of the shovel spike, and the third should be just like the first but with the spike

so like tha latter then

what I figured it was

[orchid hemlock]

Why can't they give us Zealot players the shovels

U know what I would to the entire game with standard?

[soft solstice]

they gave everyone the dueling sword but knew that the veteran weapons are too powerful to give to the others

[orchid hemlock]

Shovel isn't that insane, because vets can't increase the attack speed

But with Zealot

[soft solstice]

veteran still gets a good amount of attack speed, way less of course but still enough to be good

[orchid hemlock]

Vets get no attack speed

[soft solstice]

10% flat on the bottom right and another 15% from weapon specialist right next to it

[orchid hemlock]

Except from wepaons specialist

[austere mica]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d2b5f78-2b35-4d80-b2bc-c597a67e32e8

Peer review time

[orchid hemlock]

Trench fighter is not correct, it doesn't give you attack speed

It increase the animation speed to make it smoother

[gilded wraith]

Is weapon specialist animation speed also?

[orchid hemlock]

No

[gilded wraith]

Hmm... might have to reevaluate trench.

[soft solstice]

i'm pretty sure that's what attack speed is suppose to do though

[orchid hemlock]

But Zealot can stack some insane attack speed buffs that would make shovel feel like a stun locked maniac

[orchid hemlock]

No it is still good because it helps with animation canceling

Like if you have Rashad, it is very useful at push sweeping

[tribal pelican]

I hounestly cannot tell if sapper shovel slaps or not

I mean obviously it slaps things

but like ill have reallly good games with it but then like a awful one right after

[orchid hemlock]

The best shovel imo is the standard

The movesets is just too good for soo many situations

[frank ether]

I agree

the special stun is good to have aswell

[fallen plinth]

any hainaxe enjoyers

[frank ether]

I enjoy it but more of a zealot weapon in my eyes

[soft solstice]

You have a solid heavy attack, a few nice blessing options though nothing crazy for damage, the special is a great feeling stun on anything but bosses, and it’s just super mobile with good sprint and dodges

Being able to slap hammer blow on it and stunlocking rager groups feels nice, and uncanny strike lets it deal with everything nicely

I want ot say it has the best dodge, sprint speed and cost out of all the 4 stamina weapons, with the heavy sword I think being the closest second

[trim lantern]

Wait, there's a "meta?"

I just use it because I love bayonets.

[tall torrent]

Boltgun + Rashad

[trim lantern]

It's very satisfying to use the Helbore's "Alt Fire Bayonet charge" to kebab a line of melee units. XD

[soft solstice]

granted defense is still a weapon stat you'd want to replace with something like finesse or either cleave stats

[trim lantern]

Wait - is that why you can get "Cleave" from weak spot hits?

[hasty otter]

Meta is incredibly fucking boring

[trim lantern]

That kinda explains a lot, tbh

[soft solstice]

what?

[buoyant mica]

whats the best shovel blessings?

or more to the point whats a good horde clear weapons for veteran melee wise

[trim lantern]

I remember one of the Blessings applying "Stagger based on Charge" to weak spot hits, but I also remember another one that applies Cleave to Charged Attacks.

[hasty otter]

uncanny strike is mandatory but the rest is up to you

also what shovel mark

[trim lantern]

Not kidding, btw

Theoretically, I think it implies that it'd "make your headshots more explosive!"

https://tenor.com/view/stress-stressed-out-gif-25301931

[soft solstice]

I feel like it depends on what on it, uncanny lets you deal with any armor types so being able to do full damage to crushers and mauler heads is nice, hammer blow lets you stunlock alot of stuff, skullcrusher is just nice bonus damage and one of the few ways you have to boost it, decismator or all or nothing I think sound good if you're into that, same with limbsplitter

[tame lodge]

When in doubt uncanny strike Skullcrusher

[soft solstice]

I think take a swing can probably be your biggest damage bosot if you ever push at all which I don't

[soft solstice]

Unless you mean thrust, that sounds like just an ogryn thing

and that also has nothing to do with what you replied to

i was talking about the 5 stat bars on a weapon, defense is usually one that doesn't matter too much that can get dumped

[trim lantern]

Ahhh

[tame lodge]

Sounds like Falter and Hotshot
Both meh blessings
If you want fun bayo then get No Respite
Other than that the ideal blessings would be surgical and weight of fire

[trim lantern]

That's the one! 😄

[candid bridge]

is power and strength the same thing now?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[trim lantern]

"Hotshot" sounds legit fun, tbh

[soft solstice]

right, for helbore, also don't get where my first comment lead into that

[trim lantern]

If it helps, I just logged back on.

[tame lodge]

The tooltip says 50 but it's 50%
So your 3 cleave goes to 4.5 which is aight I guess

Somehow that 50% applies to your melee

As well lmao

[trim lantern]

Makes sense

After all, "Cleave" is a stat that's traditionally associated with melee weapons

[tall torrent]

Combat axe III

[trim lantern]

"I hereby bless your gun to act like a combat axe!"

"But it's a bayoneted ri-"
"COMBAT AXE GUN!"

"Fine, sir..."

[soft solstice]

aren't combat axes bad for that unless you go full weapon specialist?

[tall torrent]

No

It’s kind of costly to run? Since you need 10% atk speed

[trim lantern]

Only if you miss.

😛

[tall torrent]

But that’s pretty much all u have to have

[tame lodge]

The Rashad combat axe is probably the best melee in the game rn

[tall torrent]

Most universally strong yes

Clutch potential not as high as knife / DS

[tame lodge]

Oh I have to test the changes to Achlys

[tall torrent]

Still pretty meh

Rashad is clear winner

I’m prob gonna main exe Boltgun + Rashad

[soft solstice]

sure it 1 shots most trash mobs you hit but you can just run a tactical axe or dueling sword which are still more single target swings but still has enough damage to take advantage of the swings

[tall torrent]

This is the old school veteran experience

[tall torrent]

Combat axe clears horde faster than both, especially duelling sword which has abysmal clear

It’s the Jack of all trades

[trim lantern]

The caveat of using a bayonet?

It's as good at slitting a Crusher's throat as a Rapier...

[wet ether]

gahh why is it an ogryn seem to get in the way at the worst of time

[tall torrent]

U still get to 2~3 hit crushers with combat axe

[trim lantern]

That's mostly because Crushers are COVERED with armor.

[tame lodge]

Very funny considering that in the past the bayo would interact with brutal momentum

[soft solstice]

dueling sword gets uncanny so it can rinse them too, and the wave clear on it is as good as it was for the rapier in verm 2

[trim lantern]

It's an enemy meant to teach you to "get good at shooting in between the armor - or die."

[tall torrent]

Please actually go test duelling sword’s clear speed

Do u use mods

[soft solstice]

no, just alot of time playing psyker

[tall torrent]

Ok

On psyker

Duelling sword mk4

Is about 2x the time it takes for knife

To kill 50 poxwalkers

While having scrier’s gaze active

Without scrier’s gaze, it’s 40s+ which is just awful

[trim lantern]

I almost read that as "Poxbursters." XD

[soft solstice]

just built different I guess, I always had a fantastic time with it

[tall torrent]

It’s not good at horde clear

[trim lantern]

"Who'd run up to a Burster with a KNIFE?!"

[tall torrent]

It does single target really well

And has high mobility & safety

But it’s like, the worst horde clear in the game (?) next to ogryn bully club

[trim steppe]

Duels rarely consist of more than 2 people

Its purpose built

[trim lantern]

Tbh, the Rapier is "a knife, but longer."

• Intended to attack weak spots, "not just anywhere."
  • The head
  • The throat
  • The heart (I think?)
  • Gaps in armor

So long as you stab those spots, you'll do fine

Just mind the armor

Just because it penetrates armor doesn't mean the armor's useless

It's still there

[tall torrent]

Darktide is not a realistic game but they did try their best to depict weapons close to how they’d perform

[trim lantern]

And it WILL reduce your DPS

[inland orchid]

Mfw my weaponized reject doesn’t cause the entire mission to fail when knocking to perils of the warp (they should’ve became a BoN on the spot)

[trim lantern]

In fact, I think I remember a YouTube comment about Darktide's Dueling Sword from an IRL fencer!

[tame lodge]

Weapon expert reacts .....

[trim lantern]

Sorry if it looks like a crappy screenshot, btw

It probably looks better on mobile

https://youtu.be/aFb5o3MpR9k?si=Eki4r1TOsrra0TSJ

Here's a link to the vid, for anyone interested. (Removed embed to not cram space)

[tame lodge]

That's one of my irks with DS2 light heavy loop

[tall torrent]

Mk2 duelling sword’s animations aren’t slow

L2 into L3 is super fast that I first thought it was one attack that hit twice

[tame lodge]

But damn they could make that light heavy loop look better

[trim lantern]

Sometimes, it also helps to "learn how to roll with the punches"

To me, that meant remembering the attack animations to make my melee swings more accurate. ❤️

More Red and Yellow over White and Red, basically

[tame lodge]

You strike upwards diagonally
Then instead of just striking downwards, your character raises his hand THEN strike downwards

DS2 light heavy loop

[wet ether]

the bolt gun whats some good blessings for it?

[wet pendant]

what blessing you guys suggest for plasma gun

[tame lodge]

Surgical Pinning Fire
Cavalcade

[trim steppe]

gets hot / rising heat / gloryhunter

[tall torrent]

Puncture/surgical + pinning fire

[wet pendant]

and duelling sword?

[tall torrent]

Lots of good options
I run agile + riposte on mine

Thrust is alright, uncanny is good

Shred is decent

[wet pendant]

thanks a lot

[wet ether]

best mark for the vigilant?

[fallen sable]

best helbore setup? how are the new blessings?

hot-shot (cleave on weakspot) seems interesting

[tame lodge]

It's pretty meh but aight I guess
Also applies to your melee which is eh depending on the melee

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cee53c5-6790-478f-88b0-9e58dcb16bbb/infinite-ammo-glitch?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/not-heresy-gif-24882220

[frank ether]

I'm working on a very autistic hsword build for vet

I'll just say it involves shredders, serrated blade and either onslaught/exploit weakness on talent tree

and chained deathblow on blessing

its.... bad but it also kind of works?

[plucky linden]

any breakpoints I lose here on Stopping Power?

[shadow fable]

Is puncture worth using on boltgun or is shattering impact + the dmg on stagger still the best?

and is lethal proximity actuallu good for bolt pistol?

[trim steppe]

I think Pinning Fire is still top on bolter, and puncture a good option as a second. Lethal prox is good because it affects your nades, so you can run a nade build with it

[shadow fable]

oh I didn't know that thanks

[somber axle]

Puncture is funny because the bleed helps push it over to breakpoints it misses otherwise without needing to invest in your talent tree for extra damage to meet it but tbh it's more comfy just shooting something and seeing it die right away vs a short time after to bleed

Surgical + Pinning Fire if you want to use it like a DMR

Cavalcade + Pinning Fire or Shattering Impact for magdump boss fun

You can sorta magdump into bosses with Surgical + Pinning Fire anyway but it is less effective

Kinda curious if Puncture is worth taking over one of the other blessings for boss magdumping now

[frank ether]

I made it part of my shitty heavy sword meme bleed build on boltpistol

I think its worthwhile for a more hybrid playstyle between gun and melee

It would be neat (and probably op) if the bleed applied to all enemies within explosion radius

[somber axle]

Lethal Proximity working with Puncture would be hilarious

Unfortunately they're not interested in making it that funny

But at least Lethal Proximity is funny for grenade memes

[plucky linden]

does stability affects spread in ADS (aim down sights) too?

[shadow fable]

that was my thought process

[shadow fable]

I think so

[thorny gorge]

this good?

[plucky linden]

...when you hate sights in this game SO MUCH even the weapon customization mod doesnt help you.

Is it so much to ask for a sight that does not have clutter on the X axis too close to the zero ? Like c'mon.

Too bad weapon customization mod doesnt let me install a Bolter iron sight on hellbore. It's the only fucking sight (including existing reflex sights) in game that seems to fit the requirement.

[thorny gorge]

i have 2 of these and one +2 stam set up them same

[thorny gorge]

this is the sight i run

[frank ether]

I have a feeling that might get gutted

they gutted interactions far less powerful before

[somber axle]

Recons apparently got nerfed in like a week for the short period they were strong and weren't even better than CIAG/Plasma/Zarona

There's no way the devs are unaware of the Lethal Proximity + Shredder Frag Grenade interaction by now and if they want to fix that they're not seeing it as high priority

[thorny gorge]

they just moved the crit beams from 5 to 2

[somber axle]

it was more than crit string nerfing

they also heavily nerfed ADMs

for a long while Recons were considered bottom tier next to the shredder autopistol

[thorny gorge]

which as also giga busted lmao

for a time

[somber axle]

Secrets of the Machine God buffed Recons a bit across the board and now some people consider Recon Mk VId/Recon Mk XII as one of the best Vet weapons in the game

and the funny part is that they barely touched that variant

[thorny gorge]

im one of em lmao

[somber axle]

the fire rate and mag size were buffed

that's it

LOL

[thorny gorge]

the reason is the no locks

the right blessings were a bitch to get

and a good stat base on top

[somber axle]

Recip also got changed

[karmic moat]

I can't decide between executioner's stance or voice of command. am I missing out on not taking an ability that revives people, if I don't take the latter?

[somber axle]

before it didn't work properly on dodging ranged attacks

[thorny gorge]

thats right

[somber axle]

So you needed Headhunter

[thorny gorge]

it didnt for a long time

[somber axle]

now that Recip has been changed it's more damage to run Dum Dum + Deathspitter

[thorny gorge]

werent elite attacks also bugged?

im still doing the old crit build

i just like the dot build

[somber axle]

I think they're still only set to proc for the initial start of the attack when dodged but not to give stacks when dodging the constant volley fire from gunners

Headhunter is just really comfy

[left plank]

revive shout stinky imo you can just use the stagger from yell to revive, headhunter brings shredder nades to aid in revives

[sleek garden]

i figured it out
i hated not having no respite on my shotgun to finish off staggered enemies but i didnt want to give up manstopper+scattershot

[plucky linden]

Yeah, one you mentioned is probably even better than this one.
Also, Scopes (not sights/reflex sights, but magnification scopes), while impractical, really makes you realize how big of a difference between 45 and 80 Stability is even when idle.
Guess I'm dumping Ammo and a bit of Charge rate instead on Helbore.

But holy shit, Fatshark.
Give no X-axis clutter sight plz.

[sleek garden]

so i just got deadshot

[thorny gorge]

try the ranger scope

[plucky linden]

dont want that much zoom.

[karmic moat]

stagger from yell?

[thorny gorge]

yea

it staggers

VoC

i can 3 hit damn ragers with my knife

[left plank]

radius and cooldown nerf on yell is un unbelievably bad trade off for the rez

[thorny gorge]

thats why i magdump the horde

[karmic moat]

that's a more understandable answer, thanks

[sleek garden]

the res is very fast though

[thorny gorge]

yell is 30 secs cooldown

[sleek garden]

and you can spend the time reviving instead swinging

[thorny gorge]

and im running 12% regen on it

[left plank]

you stack rez speed on your curious and you'll finish picking them up before the staggers even worn off

[plucky linden]

but yeah, that mod needs an update to let you customize Helbore with Bolter sight.
Thats the only fucking sight in game that fits the requirement, ffs.

[sleek garden]

i have no trouble with 90% of the sights in this game

why are you struggling

[thorny gorge]

id rather have more yells imo

[austere mica]

Don’t do that

[thorny gorge]

why not

[austere mica]

That’s 3.6 seconds off

[plucky linden]

As I've said above, I have one absolute requirement - no clutter close to 0 on X axis. That is all.
X axis below zero are fine.
No matter the game, my brain doesnt process those sights.

[left plank]

this is also true

[austere mica]

As opposed to

[left plank]

just do that

[austere mica]

60% gunner resist

[thorny gorge]

already have

[austere mica]

15% toughness

[sleek garden]

use the lasgun reflex sight

[thorny gorge]

aready have

[sleek garden]

its just two rings

[austere mica]

36% stamina regen

15% health

[thorny gorge]

no thanks

more yell

[austere mica]

You could be doing so much more

[thorny gorge]

nope

[austere mica]

But you want 3.6 seconds off your ability

[thorny gorge]

im running a meme knife

idc

zealot is my auric char

vet is for heresy pubs

[sleek garden]

panzer you gotta be running the absolute max toughness stacking curios and highest dps power sword revolver combo or youre gonna be useless on heresy

[thorny gorge]

bruh i solo carry heresy all the time

[sleek garden]

it was sarcasm

[thorny gorge]

pardon the tism

[crude fiber]

No it wasn't

[sleek garden]

i just did the train mission with curios i havent touched since last year idk what they do

[left plank]

I lOvE saRCasms oN thE InTERnets

[sleek garden]

and with a lawbringer deadshot manstopper build

[plucky linden]

Kantrael sight is trash.
I'd use bolter Iron Sight instead (it fits the requirement), but it cant be modded.
Hence stopping at this one, it's Accatran.

[crude fiber]

All orders dockets, corruption resist and exp

[sleek garden]

is this not obviously sarcasm? like if you guys play the game you know you dont need this stuff to play on heresy

[thorny gorge]

maditory knife for maelstrom

fear me mortals

[sleek garden]

there is no way that is better than the kantrael sight

it looks like a cod warzone sight

[thorny gorge]

how many years is 40k in the future?

[crude fiber]

Uh 38,000 if I had to guess

[thorny gorge]

and mfers want a acog

[plucky linden]

Will take Bolter Irons over Kantrael any day. Because X axis "clutter" is not close, and are done in a way that arent viewed as sight elements.
It's basically your classic, well done Iron Sight. As much as I hate Irons, it's better than Kantrael for me.

[thorny gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/chips-cry-about-it-cry-about-it-gif-22048775

[plucky linden]

...but Helbore Irons... Helbore Irons are a special kind of torture.

[thorny gorge]

i just cope and use the ranger scope lmao

[plucky linden]

fuck scopes, who needs magnification in this game

[thorny gorge]

me

[crude fiber]

Wouldn't some of the auto gun sights work?

[plucky linden]

hell, Helbore default ADS magnification is too much, I 'd rather do without it

[tidal rapids]

The ogryn with the bonus from nearby bleeding enemies talent will be super happy

[thorny gorge]

?

[sleek garden]

the infantry autogun sights are literally just a front post

just use that yeah

[thorny gorge]

thats a thing?

[frank ether]

your default helbore already is as zoomed as a scope would be

[thorny gorge]

^

[sleek garden]

same with the vigilant autoguns

high magnification

[crude fiber]

Also there's an fov mod somewhere on nexus if you wanted to mess with that

[sleek garden]

kantraels are my go to head clickers though

[frank ether]

I'd like kantraels a lot more if I could take off the red dot funnily enough

weapon customization mod can do it, and it works great

[sleek garden]

i wonder why nobody likes the red dot

[plucky linden]

they would, and I would love them - as Irons, but that mod doesnt let you have them either.
So running very meh but tolerable stuff like this, i guess.

[sleek garden]

its my favorite sight

[tidal rapids]

Delight in Destruction on the left hand side, second below bonebreaker's aura

[thorny gorge]

i think theres a mod setting for that

im not sure tho

[frank ether]

It has a lot of clutter and doesn't scale very nicely with FoV increase

[plucky linden]

hmm

[tidal rapids]

+8% damage resistance per bleeding enemy in melee range, stacks 6 times

[thorny gorge]

couldnt find it

[crude fiber]

Are you running with base weapon customization or the extended? Not all parts are compatible for sure but extended let's you put whatever weapon part on whatever weapon

[thorny gorge]

cuz this is my mod name

[grand perch]

i see two rear sight posts?

[frank ether]

anyway helldivers giving us weapon customization is probably more likely than darktide at this point

[plucky linden]

base probably. didnt know extended existed.

[frank ether]

I hoped and coped maybe some limited customization would be integrated with the itemization update but oh well

they could even do this via the skin system, have different skins that maybe lack the scope or have a different one

[crude fiber]

You need both installed I believe and the load order for them matters I think

[grand perch]

still waiting on that one

[frank ether]

I'd pay for that one

[placid portal]

I love Claw so much, +6 stamina + parry + 5 ragers = everything dead

[plucky linden]

Oh, apparently i'm running extended one, and only it.
Dont even see the base version anywhere

is it called Weapon Customization MT Plugin?

[thorny gorge]

yea

[plucky linden]

ty!

[crude fiber]

Extended is base I think, you'll also want the one on the top right

[thorny gorge]

those 2

[plucky linden]

yep, that's the one

[crude fiber]

Bottom right one might interest you as well

[plucky linden]

got it just now

no sights? hm.

[thorny gorge]

just make sure you load the base mod first

[plucky linden]

yep

wait

base aka extended, right?

[thorny gorge]

this took too long to do

but i got 3 matching curios

[crude fiber]

But are they all the same buff?

[grand perch]

gotta love the current maelstrom. team just left the starting area, 4 bosses spawn basically instantly, all 3 mates go down and leave immediately
if you cant take the heat yadda yadda

[thorny gorge]

2 are

one is a stam

[candid bridge]

does determined and keep their heads down essentially do the same thing?

oh nvm

[plucky linden]

doesnt seem like all of it's sights are working correctly, for some reason. oh well.
On the other hand, Fatshark got themselves nice moddability there, can make a weapon that looks like a plasma enhanced assault rifle if one wishes to. but thats very offtopic so I'll stop with it.

[grand perch]

its not really OT

that things looks like some vet has seen tau weaponry and tried to TECHNOHERESY together something similar

[plucky linden]

😄

[shadow dagger]

a fellow in quickplay text chat tried complaining that the plasma nerf killed it

what a smart guy

[frank ether]

barrel off the map

no trial, just execution

[west cave]

Im kinda glad this system is a mod and not an in-game feature bcs you can bet it'd get monetized to hell and back

[plucky linden]

yeah, absolutely.
Also, got myself a proper reflex sight, even if wh40k shaped, which is fine.

[real flicker]

Hi there, is anyone able to tell me what the dump stat for plasma gun and power sword are please?

[finite carbon]

P-sword: Mobility
Plasma Gun: Thermal Resistance

[real flicker]

Thank you! 😌 are those two weapons good with eachother?

[finite carbon]

They're good weapons, but it's up to you if you think they're worth putting in the same build

I like a melee with more mobility if I run plasma, but that's just preference

[real flicker]

Like combat knife? Il try both out

[finite carbon]

Or dueling sword

[split grove]

Me with my rashad m1ing my way through life

Which knife can deal with cara

Idk the diffs for the knives

[uncut pebble]

I did the same thing with the mechanicus caskets for both standard builds and martyrdom.

Took like 4k melkbux.

[real flicker]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

im trying to get this build to work but taking krak grenades instead but i cant think of what node i should miss out on to do it

[cold berry]

target down

[real flicker]

ty 🙂

[shadow dagger]

isnt charge rate the dump stat for plasma

with thermal resist dump you get 6 shots before max heat instead of 7 or something like that

and unless they gigabuffed altfire 60% chargerate doesnt really affect the performance that much

[pearl stratus]

what's good blessings for the bolter rifle?

[finite carbon]

Ah, could be. I usually play it with weapon specialist so I don't get more than 3 shots out before switching to melee so I don't notice

But charge rate could also work

[gentle maple]

My friend playing vet is looking for a gun as similar to a SKS as possible. He likes popping off epic headshots so I was leaning towards revolver but what’s your best suggestion?

[uncut pebble]

The single shot vigilant.

[frank gyro]

should i go for toughness curio or health?

[cold berry]

triple stam all three trinkets 😏

[shadow dagger]

deadshot addict behavior

[gentle maple]

What’s that, Helbore? I was thinking revolver or maybe combat shotgun. Also what’s the best pray and spray gun?

[shadow dagger]

the weapon type with the word vigilant in it

and the subtype without the burstfire keyword

as for you, id say the fastest firing of either the recon lasguns or the infantry autoguns

i was messing around with blessings a lil bit so those probably arent the best

@gentle maple

name and type are on the top left of each screenshot

[frank gyro]

what is the dumpstat on power swords?

[shadow dagger]

mobility

[placid portal]

But should have 50+% for max dodges

[dire olive]

I'd argue cleave targets personally

[white minnow]

adding to this, special attacks have 11.7 cleave with 80% cleave targets and 10.9 cleave with 60% cleave targets, which is a fairly neglible difference esp when you're still above the 10 cleave bp to cleave two scab maulers/ragers

[dire olive]

And power sword needs all the mobility it can get

Heavy ass contraption

[shadow dagger]

powersword without constant weapons specialist uptime feels awful

on the other hand, you get the full experience of dragging around a car battery

all the upsides, all the downsides

[visual remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1292073809947529297/Darktide_replay_2024.08.20-02.15_-_Trim.mp4?ex=67026901&is=67011781&hm=0e381bf499635675b824cb5e0ae98e7065f51002ec2c870b090dfe1f2dbf1a93&

reminder that vet is broken

:3

[gleaming zephyr]

i need help guys

i just got a bolter from a mystery aqusition and its better than the current one i have

and its at a higher power level

but its exalted instead of transcendent

should i change it or keep my current one

[dire olive]

Go to hadron and consecrate it?

[red fox]

Any beginner guide on how to gear up after hitting 30

[split grove]

Boltor or bolt pistol for sniping out specials

Just curious on differences

Besides swap speed

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun is for mag dumping into bosses, carapace, and mixed hordes.

Bolt pistol is more precise.

[split grove]

Higher finesse?

[uncut pebble]

No, it has less cleave and deals less damage per shot.

Better for killing specialists with, but also deals a good bit of armor damage.

[split grove]

Ok

[uncut pebble]

I've seen a weapon spec clip floating around of a sub 1s crusher kill with the bolt pistol, too.

[split grove]

Is it surgical handcannon or something?

[uncut pebble]

It doesn't have access to hand cannon.

[split grove]

Unlucky

[uncut pebble]

Best thing I'd say to use it for, on vet, at least, is deadly accurate and lethal proximity.

[split grove]

Flakiac perks?

[uncut pebble]

Lethal proximity means your bolts explode at any distance and it increases your grenade AOE (less useful on kraks) and deadly accurate for weapon spec quickdraw headshots.

Yeah I'd do flakiac.

[split grove]

Aite

Is the cleave weaker than zarona

[uncut pebble]

Significantly so.

It'll cleave like 2-3 chaff and stop.

[split grove]

Meh i’ll still use it cos i wanna feel powerful

[uncut pebble]

I mainly use mine on my zealout for staggering things, tbh.

[split grove]

Tbh i just wanna try other weps

[uncut pebble]

Gunner is shooting at me, can't reach him, draw bp and tap him once as I'm closing distance.

[split grove]

I alrdy have zarona vraks

[uncut pebble]

Vet could just outright kill a gunner though because of weapon spec and deadly accurate.

[split grove]

Left boltors to try

[viral swallow]

this is going to sound sarcastic, but do missions, earn credits

[split grove]

Oh but with boltor pistol i should just swap back to focus target

Since i dont get crit benefits

[viral swallow]

watch the shop, nab any weapons that have good potential

[red fox]

nah i get it, resources, but ive not delved into the crafting till now so wanna know how i start doing that

[uncut pebble]

No, no, keep weapon spec.

[split grove]

Do quickswap shit?

[uncut pebble]

Run deadly accurate and either puncture or lethal proximity.

You can just run it as a diet zarona with a grenade buff.

[viral swallow]

Like literally how to do it, or how to get enough resources to do it?

If you mean the former, talk to Hadron

[split grove]

Sounds interesting

[red fox]

I meant more like, should i want for melk to have something i want or pick up a 380 from the shop i think is good and upgrtade that

[uncut pebble]

Like, t4 lethal prox increases your grenade aoe so much, you can drop a shredder dead center in the psykhanium and hit literally everything.

[viral swallow]

On each weapon, you should see a set of two numbers for each stat

one is the current value, and one is the highest potential value

[split grove]

Lol

[viral swallow]

if you're really trying to minmax your weapons, look out in the shops for weapons that have 80s in every category except (usually) mobility

buy those, and you can upgrade them at Hadron to be 500

once you max the mastery track for that respective weapon type

[red fox]

Gotcha

[viral swallow]

you can buy the stuff from melk if it looks good

with the update, melk is basically just a way to save resources

if you see a good gun from him, it'll save you the effort of crafting it up yourself

[red fox]

gotcha

Thanks!

[uncut pebble]

Melk is now the randomly generated curio machine so I can get matching curios at this point.

I got a full matching set of curios for my zealout for both normal builds and martyrdom.

[plucky linden]

Does survivalist not care for ammo in your gun, only maximum reserve?

otherwise why would plasma be ever restoring 1 point of ammunition, when my current combined ammo is 297

[iron marten]

ye

[plucky linden]

anyways, which traits and blessings for "meta" plasma play? Gets Hot! and Rising heat/Blaze away?

[cunning haven]

hi guys, quick question. what is the dump stat for the shovel?

[silent cloud]

How to get Melk's money after finishing week quest?Just refreshing it?

Each day when I see some good stat weapons I always lack of melk's money 😦

[silent cloud]

My thought:Mobility 60,others all 80

Because you are a veteran,you just need it to clean out the hordes

[cunning haven]

hmm i thought mobility was the most important for staying alive

[fiery plinth]

Anyone have a good build for a bolt pistol going for weapons specialist?

[silent cloud]

Bevore you get outnumbered by hordes,you should clean out the Elites.By the way,60 is already enough for escaping hordes

[cunning haven]

alrighty, thanks for the suggestion

[timid otter]

Dodge distance is usually one of the worse stats

Movement speed isnt significant enough to make mobility impactful

[silent cloud]

Yes

[thick kestrel]

so you only get the weekly batch of missions from melk each time. they refresh on mondays(?).

this is however only per character, so you can switch to another class and have a separate set of missions to complete.

[timid otter]

So thereby mobility is a bad stat.

[fiery plinth]

Riiight.

Vin, you have a moment?

[silent cloud]

So if you are veteran using shovel,you main goal is controling hordes.If you weapon stat's damgae is enough,plus two frag grenades,sometimes you even don't need to escape

Mobility is useful for Zealot.But not so useful for veteran

[silent cloud]

Yes,my lord

[timid otter]

Mobility isnt decent for any class

Because the values are so low

[fiery plinth]

Ehh, no need for formalities.

Anyways, I'm looking for the best blessings and stats for bolt pistol

I'm using it with the rightmost keystone

[timid otter]

The difference between 60 and 80 basically is non-existant in all the stats that mobility impacts.

Try dodging and measuring the distance for example that the dodge covers, you wont find the difference.

[silent cloud]

For bolt pistol i using same build as boltgun

[timid otter]

Same with running because its like a 1% movement speed difference.

[fiery plinth]

mind telling me the blessings and perks used?

[silent cloud]

Mine:Lethal Proximity IV ,Puncture IV

[fiery plinth]

and the perks?

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac

[fiery plinth]

thanks

[tall torrent]

Maniac for flamer 1HS, elite + superiority complex for gunner 1HS

[silent cloud]

I use parace armoured and flak armoured

Parace armoured mainly dealing with Crusher

[deft crystal]

are the twiins still annoyiinglyy hhard?

[silent cloud]

My thought:Don't using maniac and elite because Damage 80 boltpistol can one headshot (or two)killing them.

[reef owl]

whats the lasgun dumpstat? recon

[candid agate]

i love executioner stance

[plucky linden]

Survivalist doesn't stack ?!! They made it stack a year ago, no?
Had a Vet with me with Survivalist too, still was only getting 1-2 rounds for Plasma.

[fiery plinth]

Too op I guess

[plucky linden]

but thats too up, 1 team member doesnt have an aura then

[candid agate]

veteran players when they dont get an infinite amount of ammo:

[sonic coyote]

Does this perk apply to all weapons even if they don't have finesse as one of it's 5 attributes?

[plucky linden]

other auras stack, right?

[candid agate]

dont think so

[plucky cypress]

finesse is a melee stat even if it isn't shown as an attribute

so yes

[sonic coyote]

cool. Thank you for the info.

[velvet estuary]

best las pistol?

accatran or kantrael

and I assume you just go burn crit build?

[tall torrent]

accatran

no

dum dum + ghost

[velvet estuary]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

infernus not worth on veteran

[velvet estuary]

really?

it seems alright

prob not the best

[tall torrent]

ghost is just way better

[tawny badger]

with infernus it’s kinda just

uh

there’s other ways to melt a target’s HP w/ the lasguns and being flat out immune to shooters/gunners is something that’s too good to pass up

I say as I pass it up for dumdum

[velvet estuary]

alright gonna do a full support kinda dogshit build on this auric maelstrom

[deft crystal]

ngl

bolt pistol

wiith chainsaw

and commisar hat

makkes me wanna shhoot thhose whho would retreat

[gleaming zephyr]

it costs more to empower though and my max bolter power is 400

and consecrating it

[rain badger]

Anyone have the bug where chat doesn’t work? I press enter, type, and pressing enter again doesn’t do anything.

[deft crystal]

yea

I had it

but closiing my game and reopeniingg iit worked

[silent cloud]

Yo I might meet you once

I once met a commissar with boltpistol

[velvet estuary]

alright the laspistol recommendation slapped

what about the lasgun, what mark and blessings do you lot swear by

[rigid pilot]

I love bolter vet

1 shot reapers 🤤

[deft crystal]

Reapers?

everyy vets nightmare iis ragers