veteran-class

[distant crow]

btw sacrifice or a good pistol?

[blissful cliff]

We need better everything as far as cosmetics lol

I literally hide all of my character's faces

[pseudo fiber]

You can get better but it'll do if you don't have one

[blissful cliff]

Except the Ogryn

[broken gazelle]

Thank the emprah for the moebian gasmask

It was free too!

[blissful cliff]

I bought the Armageddon helmet

[umbral scaffold]

It would be nice to have closed helms that arent from the real cash shop

[broken gazelle]

I'd love to buy some cosmetics but I haven't seen a set I like the look of yet. (In 2 years...)

[tame lodge]

Mk2

[tawny badger]

you WILL purchase aquilas and you are going to like it

-fatshark probably

[umbral scaffold]

I really dont want to. Just feel bad for wearing or even having one

[tawny badger]

but hallowette's retirement fund

[pseudo fiber]

Do you have any regiments you like?

[broken gazelle]

Ironic the one game where I'm willing to buy some cosmetics
Doesn't have any good cosmetics

[blissful cliff]

I can't find my vet, might have to log in to send a screenshot, but i did find my zealot

[broken gazelle]

Not really. 👀

[tawny badger]

you're

[umbral scaffold]

Zelots needs more armor or ministorum like robes tbh. If theres one class lacking cosmetics its them.

[tawny badger]

you're actually the first zealot I've seen to make that torso piece work

[umbral scaffold]

Not counting cash ones ones bevause they dont count

[broken gazelle]

0 Aquilas spent Veteran 😎

[umbral scaffold]

This looks ight

[pseudo fiber]

See it's a little worse when you have a fav because you sit here waiting for them to make your fav.

Oooh big update we'll get a new set-
DANG IT STEEL LEGION AGAIN

[umbral scaffold]

Falling into the trap of "waiting for your fav" i see

Thats how they get you to spend money

[broken gazelle]

There was that stylish black longcoat a while back
But it had a huge ugly box hanging around your neck which ruined it

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/438094692278861827/1289974251599822908/image.png?ex=66ff62e4&is=66fe1164&hm=58030dbb5e6bebf0fcc538fadff3f9963ccff0af4f5d34ee5f325f94d0e50dc3&

[umbral scaffold]

I still need that one... got the pants tho

[tawny badger]

the mastered weapon cosmetics look like toys lmao

esp the ogryn pickaxe

[broken gazelle]

Not my picture but this would be nice
But it looks too big for her.

[pseudo fiber]

I love the master cosmetics shout outs to the adeptus Mechanicus

[broken gazelle]

I know, we're probably wearing hand-me-downs that don't fit
But I'd like cosmetics to fit if I'm paying Aquilas for them.

[umbral scaffold]

I like alot of the mastery skins. Though not a big fan of the trend of painting blades with the reskins

[tawny badger]

not like you're gonna see much else

[umbral scaffold]

Tjats fair but for bladed weapona esp it looks very out of place

[broken gazelle]

Mastery skins just look like Christmas wrapping paper

[umbral scaffold]

But ig if you like csgo knife skins or sonething like that its right at home

[blissful cliff]

Some of the master cosmetics look better than others

I like the plasma and flamer for example

The knife looks AWFUL

[umbral scaffold]

Havent sewn it but i asume its knife but red ?

[broken gazelle]

I finally got revolver mastery maxed last night.
The skin looks pretty bad

[umbral scaffold]

We alrwady have that in docket store no lol?

[pseudo fiber]

The knife is the best one I'm taking NONE OF THAT

[tawny badger]

I like it, it looks like a flare gun lmao

[blissful cliff]

Vet Drip

[umbral scaffold]

For a paid head it looks ight

And huh pants
Its synergizes well

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1288527342683029535/image.png?ex=66f5821a&is=66f4309a&hm=17f583af7f759520e1837ded18a3d43a8513951150ee7f3aec30458eaa4cb044&

[blissful cliff]

i HATE IT

[umbral scaffold]

It looks like clown make up i ngl

[pseudo fiber]

I love my candy cane you won't take this from me

[blissful cliff]

The Ogryn pick axe is the worst offender

thunder hammer too

[pseudo fiber]

Double barrel is peak

[south garnet]

is the extra charge +cooldown worth it on infiltrate or nah

[blissful cliff]

Combat axe is cool though

[south garnet]

I've never really done infiltrate builds and playin around

[blissful cliff]

It's like a mini fire axe

[pseudo fiber]

It really depends on preference

60 second cooldown can be rough

[blissful cliff]

imo? No not really

[pseudo fiber]

The evi is amazing too

[south garnet]

Yea that was my thought, plus costs a talent point

Alright thanks fellas

[blissful cliff]

If you take tactical awareness

You reduce your cooldown by a LOT

i just wish it also applied to elites :')

[south garnet]

For sure, I honestly don't think I have any build without tactical awareness lol

seems silly it doesnt work on elites, but I guess whatever

[blissful cliff]

Psyker (not original i know, but Psyker cosmetics tend to SUCK to mismatch)

[tawny badger]

ftfy

[umbral scaffold]

This looks ight but $

[blissful cliff]

Ogryn, only thing i paid for was the barrett and backpack

[somber axle]

This is extra late because the ping happened at 3 am for me and I was asleep but here it is! Also pinging the person who was asking about the penance

@dry drift

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 8 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[pseudo fiber]

Good morning sneaky

[slow spade]

Spawn director:

[tawny badger]

30 fucking gunners

[somber axle]

Good morning

[slow spade]

Yippie :D

[somber axle]

Time for hide and seek

Infiltrate time

[slow spade]

The sad part is the 8 rager part feels low

[tawny badger]

+1 bulwark

[blissful cliff]

8 ragers? Warren 6-19 must've not gotten the fucking memo cause i swear every time you go to break those green stimm tanks there's like 20 of them that spawn.

[snow siren]

literally just happened to me last mission i played

all in one room too

[trim steppe]

Yeah 8 ragers is like the minimum now

[tawny badger]

dreg ragers if their attacks werent programmed to just not gaf about your dodges

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-mcdonalds-worker-mcdonalds-employee-gif-25564101

[patent birch]

is first target very important on heavy sword, i have a 60% first target and all the other stats are 80, or i have a, 57% cleave targets and the rest are 80%, which should i run?
i can send screenshots

[tawny badger]

first target's kinda important, yeah

[blissful cliff]

Preferably you’d want defense as your dump stat on heavy sword

[patent birch]

im broke

[blissful cliff]

💀

[patent birch]

ik what i need but no ordo

https://tenor.com/view/rcu-gif-20816313

[trim steppe]

First target is always an important stat, it determines the max damage of a weapon even on multiple target hits. Kinda badly named

[patent birch]

ALL of the stats are badly names

:D

[trim steppe]

Yup

Descriptions in this game are.... highly questionable

[tawny badger]

aren't they nonexistient in the case of weapon stats

[blissful cliff]

Check the pinned comments, the first link has a guide and under the heavy sword section it’ll show which stats are most important from most to dump stat.

I’d check for you but on mobile it’s currently being infuriating to navigate.

[patent birch]

ty

[tall torrent]

first target is the single most important stat when it comes to dmg

[patent birch]

🫡

[winter dock]

I do find it odd how many different direct damage stats weapons have

beyond just damage

stopping power, crit bonus, finesse, first target, cleave

[patent birch]

i like it but the names and descriptions dont define its importance well

[winter dock]

Right?

Some of them, with the same name, actually do different things

or have different actual effects against certain armor types

and it all depends on which weapon its actually on, so you have to go and dig into the numbers to ever truly know

[uncut leaf]

whats the horde combo for combat knife & single target for elites?

[tall torrent]

which mark

[uncut leaf]

Mark VI

not sure which is better

[tall torrent]

VI

[tawny badger]

oh god that horde combo for the mk4

[trim steppe]

Any weapon with a combo that is more than 2 or maybe 3 things is never gonna get used by my smoothbrain

Something like a PA into alternating L/H is about as complex a combo as I can manage when I'm up to my eyeballs in heretics

[vestal widget]

... that is what the mk6 knife combo is though

you just do H1 H2 L3 and then H2L3 loop endlessly.

if you ever lose your place in the combo (or if like a bunch of things are about to hit you), you can just do a push attack and then loop straight back into H2L3

[umbral scaffold]

Is stability for semi auto rifles important or it's more useful for automatic

[distant girder]

Only one of two ways I could see hotshot las ever being added to darktide, is either box mags, or the cables act like this 2nd image

[vestal widget]

stability is important for semi autos.

is also important for infantry autoguns but not super important for recon las (but with current meta of upgrading stuff to 380 with perfect dump stats you probably pick a recon las that dumps collateral instead)

[trim steppe]

Ah, nice then

[umbral scaffold]

Noted, thanks

[tawny badger]

funnily enough I dumped stability on my recon lasgun

[vestal widget]

the two important stats on recon las are ammo and damage basically

[tawny badger]

yea

[plucky linden]

Finally some luck, on first try.
Mobility should be the dump stat on it, right ?

[vestal widget]

Yeah, that's the current optimal roll for rashad

it was a pita to build before this patch because all of those other 4 stats are important for rashad

and you needed a nearly perfect one to hit some bps

[trim steppe]

yup thats a perfect roll. Empower away friend

[dense rapids]

infernus or dumdum for the accatran ?

[hollow turtle]

dumdum

[vestal widget]

imo you always take dumdum when it's available

[full nacelle]

Anyone have opinions on what the best Mk1 shovel blessings are?

[twin kettle]

What is best melee weapon on veteran if I just want braindead leftclick spam?

[full nacelle]

Uncanny Strikes + Skullcrusher?

[full nacelle]

Rashad all day every day

combat axe

[twin kettle]

Any specific blessings needed?

This one good enough?

[full nacelle]

Definitely good if you swap out Decimator for Brutal Momentum. Optimal would be 60 in movement and 80 in everything else. First Target matters a lot so that extra 7% helps.

Brutal Momentum is what takes it from good to godlike

[twin kettle]

I've never understood it

What is "Enemy Hit Mass"?

[stuck gorge]

It affects how much you can cleave through enemies

[twin kettle]

Meaning if I kill someone with a headshot, it will automaticly penetrate that now dead target and I'll hit another one with the killing swing?

[full nacelle]

it means if you chop a dudes head off, which is what you do all the time on the Rashad, you get to chop another dudes head off just as hard and the guy next to him and the guy next to him

otherwise the Rashad suffers with cleaving through multiple targets

[twin kettle]

I'll give it a shot, thanks guys

[full nacelle]

once you pick that up heads are flying left and right

no problem! enjoy!

[junior needle]

That was supposedly changed some time ago so you can dodge them

Unless fatshork bungled it

[stuck gorge]

Well you know FS

[deft crystal]

hooly sh anoother magiic enjoyer/

II thougght magiic was dead 😭

[wind patio]

Holy shit

[deft crystal]

here I stand alone in my empire made of cards

[wind patio]

The double barrel mastery skin is beautiful

[full nacelle]

Compare this beast to the knife skin

[junior needle]

Magic isn't dead, it's more popular than ever thanks to commander catching on with normies

Speaking of

Big shitshow recently

[wind patio]

I haven't decided to master knife yet, what's it look like?

[wind patio]

omg

[full nacelle]

crap lol

[twin kettle]

candy cane

[wind patio]

for real loool

[full nacelle]

candy cane lookin ass picnic blanket lookin ass salt shaker lookin ass

its a combat blade... how do you screw that up so badly?

[wind patio]

Glad I picked this one up a while back

[wind patio]

Honestly I think I kinda see what they were going for. Like a cathedral aesthetic

Knife that templars have idk

its red

[full nacelle]

I'm looking for the rizz

but seeing none

[lofty eagle]

black+red wouldve fit so much better on most things

[west cave]

is it normal that I want less different guns and more gun patterns

now that you can rotate between them

[wind patio]

Double barrels want flak, maniac, and what blessings

[west cave]

a lot of widely used guns like bolter and plasma dont have an extra variant

[thick kestrel]

however misguided it is on some of the skins, the red/white is very explicitly a Mechanicus livery reference which does make sense considering the idea that this is a "masterwork" weapon.

it's just missed the mark on the implementation on some of the choices ^^

[west cave]

are there weapons with 4 variants?

[thick kestrel]

I would personally note that the Infantry Lasgun master skin actually has some rather nice lines overall on it. more exposed at the barrel which actually looks pretty solid

[west cave]

weirdly enough most mechanicus weapon dont utilize that kinda pattern, they either have engravings and wooden bits or utilize warm colored metals

[wind patio]

So what blessings would this want

[thick kestrel]

oh aye, actualy mechanicus stuff has a different vibe, with that patterning more specific to the robes

[wind patio]

thinking of scatter + manstopper to delete hordes

[lofty eagle]

braced autogun actually looks kinda good imo
reminds me of the old cs:go days

[thick kestrel]

but it's clear that these weapon skins are drawing from the robe patterning we see as a default

[west cave]

I I wish masterwork was styled after actual mechanicus weapons with gold and wood

[thick kestrel]

it's a good idea, it's just missed the mark on a fair few of the guns

[real osprey]

opinions on this modifier?

[thick kestrel]

low profile is very solid, but you need to make sure you actually take advantage of it

failure to do so, is a dick move :>

[lofty eagle]

but gold = premium and premium = real life dollarydoos

[west cave]

what about wood

[wary sparrow]

/armor

[real osprey]

watching 3 gunners mow down my teammates

[wind patio]

I never go without it and 2 charges if I use stealth.

[wary sparrow]

/bot

[wind patio]

You're practically still invisible after it ends.

[thick kestrel]

more seriously, the big trick is that low profile gives you a window where you can get a LOT of damage done safely, the intention is to let you stand out in the open and take down priority targets quickly

[full nacelle]

extremely good, better than any other infiltrate node if you're making use of that lower threat to clean up the fight and take out priority targets

[thick kestrel]

but it puts more pressure on your team... so it's important for you to take advantage of that window to make up for that risk

[real osprey]

I typically keep it off so I can pull aggro right after stealth

[wind patio]

Having 2 rechargeable get out of jail free cards that let you do whatever you want is soooo good. I can see why they made the CD so high

[full nacelle]

honestly I'm not a fan of the two charges

I prefer the lower cooldown and being able to spam it with tactical awareness

[thick kestrel]

I personally always make a point of grabbing the faster rescue node if I'm running stealth and low profile, only the honourable thing to do

if your team mates end up at greater risk due to it, only proper to go out of your way to do dive rescues

[wind patio]

It's more along the lines of being able to utilize the much higher uptime and abuse its features in critical moments.

[thick kestrel]

(and y'know... the faster you get team mates back up the faster they can get back to drawing aggro for you :> )

[full nacelle]

I feel as though I get higher uptime from taking the one charge with a lower cooldown

two can be useful but I usually don't need to use it back to back

[wind patio]

I think stealth veteran works WONDERFULLY with Power Sword

[full nacelle]

and once you're out, you've got to wait longer to use it

[wind patio]

Power Sword's main weakness is lack of space to utilize it's powered state, and stealth gives you all the space you need for a short time

You can really wreak havoc

[lofty eagle]

special, hit, hit, hit, shove, dodge backwards, repeat works also decently most of the time

[faint beacon]

It’s biggest weakness is mobility

But like it doesn’t matter when the PSword deletes everything in front of it when it’s powered

A lot of good vets can work around its mobility weakness hence why it’s so strong

[wind patio]

It's more along the lines of ABUSING the fact that you don't need to bother with positioning and resetting your combo, and can ignore threats that would interrupt you, allowing you to maximize the potential of Power Sword in a vacuum. Pox walkers wont smack you while you burn down mixed elite hordes, you can dive in and aim for the widest amount of targets, rather than weave from the edges of the swarm of enemies, and other niche things.

[vital wedge]

What is the dump stat for helbore lasgun? I kinda want to use it but have no idea on perk and blessing too

[wind patio]

Mobility isn't an issue for high skilled players, so then the only limiting factor is pure usability and pushing the limits of a weapon. You don't need to be defensive with a slow weapon if the enemies never attack you.

[full nacelle]

Does anyone ever go fully into the Weapons Specialist nodes?

Feels like they're never worth it

[wind patio]

Broooo 5 nodes for meh little bonuses

[tall torrent]

Stability

[junior needle]

The only one people really use is the reload on swap

[full nacelle]

Yeah...

[wind patio]

Yeah reload on swap for specifically revolver and maybe like, shotguns

[junior needle]

Which is great on revolver

[tall torrent]

Toughness & stamina regain stuff are nice

Stamina especially for knife

[full nacelle]

I meant to ask you the other day, what makes stamina so important for knife? Is it all the running around and the push attack?

[tall torrent]

PA is the highest dps combo u have

And ur gonna sprint a lot

[full nacelle]

Gotchu. I'm thinking of running a very melee centered knife build and seeing how that goes.

Wondering what I should use as my ranged weapon since I have no points for it

[wind patio]

when in doubt revolver

[full nacelle]

is there a decent infantry lasgun that doesn't require investment?

[tall torrent]

lol no

[full nacelle]

sheeeeee

[tall torrent]

IIb still needs suppression immunity

[full nacelle]

I could give up Skirmisher for Determined...

[wind patio]

agripina shotgun is a pretty good sidearm for knifey bois

[tall torrent]

What are u even running skirmisher for

[full nacelle]

For the meme. I've never used it in any of my other builds.

I wonder why...

[full nacelle]

true true... haven't used that one in a build yet

[last parcel]

if you want a meme skirmisher build, try run n gun double barrel with triple sprint eff curios

skirmisher is still ass there but it’s funny

[wind patio]

Tight spread, very good DPS, good across all ranges, high capacity for longer fights. Only real issue is reloading. Gotta do that pretty much between engagements, unless you have reload talents

[full nacelle]

I think I'm better off giving up on the dream for now... I hate knowing I'm constantly losing my stacks

[wind patio]

Just remember that it has higher finesse when you ADS with it, so always ADS when you shoot

[full nacelle]

Oh yeah ADS all day

[real osprey]

I didn't know there were mastery skins
how do you get them? just level my weapon mastery to max I assume..?

[full nacelle]

I wish the shotguns hipfire weren't complete cheeks

[real osprey]

also is chainaxe any good yet?

[wind patio]

Yup yup, then get the penance reward

[real osprey]

aah, lovely

I'll keep that in mind...

[wind patio]

I always thought chaxes were good since the buff a long while back. The new one is sluggish but very strong. Only chain weapon aside from Tigrex I can really tolerate

Raw heavy attacks (No special) is quite strong and if built for it, can one shot non ogryns

And the special kills anything it touches

[full nacelle]

I now have 15 builds and none of them use the infantry lasguns

I feel as though I have failed the emperor

[tall torrent]

Yes they’re pretty much the best chain weapons rn

Horde clear is still lacking but they’re much much better than before

[real osprey]

awesome
I'll keep that in mind next time I see one in the shop...

[tall torrent]

Dodges got buffed (just a little negative now)

XII’s push atk can break rager combo and interrupt overhead, while being a high damage strike with low windup

[sharp epoch]

arent the weapons with activation specials bugged rn

[full nacelle]

the pwsword definitely is

[lunar jasper]

Wdym

[sharp epoch]

the weapons with the activation moves on special attacks dont trigger if u do them within 3 seconds

or hwoever they last

[lunar jasper]

The activation doesn’t last three seconds or you have to wait three seconds?

[sharp epoch]

you have to wait

so with ones with single hits on activation like illisi its really bad

[lunar jasper]

Seems like they got reversed somehow lmao

Probably why my psword felt like it wasn’t doing anything on first swing

[sharp epoch]

well psword also has a thing where if you get hit or even like sprint u lose the activiation

[lunar jasper]

I know that, unfortunately

[sharp epoch]

wel not sprint

you just dont stay in the same combo

[tall torrent]

The bug is that if u power up and get hit while performing an attack, the power-up is lost

[sharp epoch]

sprint can cancel the combo

[tall torrent]

This applies to chain weapons as well

Not just power sword

[junior needle]

Classic fatshark

[sharp epoch]

thats been a thing since before this patch

[tall torrent]

Chain weapons weren’t like this before I think

[sharp epoch]

on psword it was definitely because i always use it

i saw a demonstration of the bug with psword and it was how the second special activation wasnt working if you did it in the timer of the first

[slow spade]

Never had that issue before this patch

Now its constant 😔

Hopefully it gets fixed soon

Been using rashad in the mean time

[faint beacon]

Been religiously using heavy sword

[junior needle]

Been playing sm2 multiplayer

[faint beacon]

SM2 multiplayer is a banger, admittedly PVE is more enjoyable now but doesn’t have the same kick as DT or Multiplayer

[full nacelle]

Why does that shotgun not get any reload-based blessings?

[faint beacon]

Does it not have speed loader

[full nacelle]

nah that would way way too much sense

[undone ravine]

Combat shotgun?

Well i guess duh since the other one does

[junior needle]

I hate the parry based combat so I've just been playing pvp

[faint beacon]

It’s not terrible once you get in a groove

[full nacelle]

combat shotgun, the lever-action rifle disguised as a shotgun

[faint beacon]

They just made the minoris enemies no longer a threat of never having armor when they spawn

Hence PVE feels great

[undone ravine]

I think a faster reload on close kill blessing would be kind of boring, id like smth more like the ogryn dakka whatever its called. It has the reserve loading blessing

[junior needle]

I finished the campaign before they made all the changes

It was a terrible mistake

Everything was dogshit

Lesson learned is don't play games on release

Wait a month at least

[undone ravine]

Combat shotgun with a blessing like "on critical hit load two rounds from reserve" or "on close kill gain 10% chance to reload from rserve, going up to like 25% at 5 stacks

[faint beacon]

Honestly

Powder burn

Is it even worth it on the stubbers for like

[scenic merlin]

should i keep this or try to get 80 range

[faint beacon]

Glugger Ogryn

[faint beacon]

Keep it Range and Mob are the two dumps

[scenic merlin]

ty

saved me a lot of ordo bucks

[thorn lark]

Bro ranged affects DMG too

But 78 instead of 80 is like whatever

[scenic merlin]

what blessings should i rock

[plucky linden]

Which one, for infinite ammo marksman build?

[full nacelle]

how important is superiority complex for the DB shotgun?

[tall torrent]

Left

[tall torrent]

Not that important

[faint beacon]

I tend to barrel stuff so I don’t see it being like above 70%+ as an issue mainly cause I always pair it with an Infil build

[full nacelle]

does crit make a big difference when it comes to cleave?

trying to decide if a noncrit db shotgun build using both barrels would be decent

[tall torrent]

Unless there’s blessing that modifies cleave on crit, no

[full nacelle]

gotcha... man I am struggling with this build

[wind patio]

How do you USE the DB

It feels SO BAD

Worst weapon in the game bad

[full nacelle]

usually just as a weapons specialist proccer with manstopper/scattershot

[wind patio]

it kills nothing, has bad ammo economy, 2 shots with a long reload

[full nacelle]

it works fine with weapons specialist for easy procs and infinite reloads

I'm trying to run it as the main weapon in the build and holy crap

[floral hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[worldly pulsar]

Perks for power sword? Flak/Maniac?

[full nacelle]

its fun when it works but it doesn't work a lot of the time

too ammo hungry

[wind patio]

I go with unarmored carapace to meet one shots on dreg gunners and for the light attack one shot on groaners unpowered.

[worldly pulsar]

Yeah, I was thinking about unarmored too. That second hit on gunners sucks.

Does taking maniac gets you any breakpoints?

[wind patio]

It lets you one shot mutant without a crit, and I think 2 shot lights on dreg rager without crit?

[umbral scaffold]

My ass managed to clutch a near wipe with a well placed krak grenade and the voice of command ability

My adrenaline kicked in during that whole ordeal

I thought zealots were constantly on edge murder hobos
I never thought my ass with almost no ammo, chainsaws, krak and a dream would do better then two of the zealots in my team combined

[floral hearth]

They are, doesnt mean they'll actually succeed

[umbral scaffold]

Valid, still

[wind patio]

Either way, crits still kill them well enough. The only enemy with flak armor on the head that actually poses a threat to unpowered Power Sword are Dreg Bruisers. Any others have just low enough health to 2 shot light unpowered, or 1 shot heavy unpowered.

And obviously others you would want to power it

Elites, etc

[vestal widget]

ws vet can afford to drop scattershot for a damage bless cuz you can guarantee the crit

[midnight mesa]

Is it just me or has Blunt's shop become absolutely useless now because all of the weapons have both shit base stats and like

Zero good blessings

They're basically just fodder for upgrading now

[thick kestrel]

it works really nicely with weapon specialist, because you can assure the crit with a few stacks you basically weave it in to your melee pattern as singular big hits on key targets...

think of it as the big right hook to your melee weapon's jabs.

[vestal widget]

it seems biased to provide 80/80/80/80/60 weapons at ~300 stats yes

[thick kestrel]

with both barrels and the cleave blessing it can do some surprisingly good work :>

[idle swallow]

Do a good anti armor melee and then manstopper/scattershot DB with weapon specialist, gib any hordes in a cone in front of you after a melee kill, brace to really kill anything short of a crusher

[vestal widget]

you don't need a reload bless if you're mostly meleeing since you can fully reload it off two trash enemies, but it is qol

[idle swallow]

I do uncanny/mercy killer knife as my melee since I'm already in the right tree

[vestal widget]

i've been running it with knife/ds4 a fair bit, it's a fun build. main downside is if you need to kill bombers/snipers at very long range

[idle swallow]

that's when you infiltrate/smoke and make it someone else's problem hehehe

[elder fiber]

Snipers aren't that bad with lmb but anything tankier gets really tedious

[idle swallow]

or just bumrush them

[lapis zenith]

does exhilerating takedown and confirmed kill stack? (the toughness regen talents on elite kills)

[idle swallow]

Yeah

[lapis zenith]

aussie sandwitch was that @ me?

[full nacelle]

How much does manstopper increase cleave compared to max deathspitter stacks?

[vestal widget]

if a sniper gauntlet is denying a rez or something at long range it can get a bit awkward trying to clear them out

i might consider smoke nades; i should check guides/experiment in shooting range because i don't actually know most smoke grenade mechanics, i just threw some smokes for penances a few times.

[lapis zenith]

smoke grenades should always be thrown at the gunline, not you

it will basically shutoff their AI and they either sit there like idiots or go melee you

[dim goblet]

yo quick question, what stats should i focus on for the duelist sword?

[vestal widget]

dump cleave targets

you can also dump pen if you want to make a meme mobility sword with the .... one that has defences + mobility at once

i forget which one that is

[dim goblet]

so i guess this one is p decent

[full nacelle]

@tall torrent Hey fwiend! Do you know if it would be better to run Deathspitter or Manstopper on a non-WS DB shotgun build using Both Barrels?

I have a 45% crit chance + reciprocity, but is Manstopper only worth taking with Scattershot?

[split grove]

is vraks better than column?

[lucid dune]

vraks is the new name for the old columnus

[split grove]

so...i'm using the wrong one?

lol

[vestal widget]

ppl tend to use the vraks mostly or sometimes the agri

the columnus (nee graia) has middle child syndrome

[split grove]

ahhhh i've been using the wrong one

cos they said column

[floral hearth]

its the krourk to the achlys and gorgonum

[split grove]

[sleek garden]

those blessings are all out DPS

On my Graia-now-Columnus I have ghost and the one that makes your second and third shots spiky damage

[split grove]

what does crit do on autoguns

[vestal widget]

big damage

they have a gigantic finesse (crit/headshot) modifier

so crits and crit headshots do a lot of damage.

you can have a look at the damage breakdown charts in inspect weapon

[floral hearth]

sustained fire

[split grove]

wtf it doubles the dmg

on unyield

well

not double but

[vestal widget]

i assume u mean stripped down instead of ghost; the ranged immunity while sprinting one

[split grove]

it's huge

[sleek garden]

Is ghost not on the autoguns?

[vestal widget]

nope

[sleek garden]

maybe it is something else and I am giving erroneous info

[vestal widget]

it's why iag builds like the 5% crit node and the reciprocity node

[split grove]

ok so turns out i've been using middle child gun the whole time

sigh

[vestal widget]

are you thinking of the headhunters (now called vigilant) autos? the semi/2/3-burst ones

[undone ravine]

They changesld mk names??

[broken gazelle]

shovel with 60% defence dumpstat in the shop. Should I get it? 🤔

[plucky linden]

so, almost finished bolter leveling, switched to Hellbore crit build.
I hate hate FUCKING HATE Hellbore's iron sights, after Bolter.

[tall torrent]

mk8 is actually the better one over mk1

the only thing in favor of mk1 is cleave

dps wise they're very similar

mk8 has lower recoil = more reliable at range

mk8 also reloads less & has more ammo

u can build mk1 with exe + MF to achieve some dmg breakpoints but it's usually just not worth

[last parcel]

i was sitting around testing that and realized that i was basically trying to make a vigilant autogun with select fire

[full nacelle]

What are the best perks for the Mk6 knife?

[drowsy wren]

anyone got a quick way to complete the 2500 marksman focus penance?

[deft crystal]

Mk5 auto iinfantry
rashaad

Best vet bbuild?

[drowsy wren]

probably idk

maybe recon las instead of mk5?

[merry oak]

whats brittleness? enemy armor debuff?

[drowsy wren]

brittleness is armor reduction for your entire team

Rending for example on counts for yourself

[merry oak]

so its enemy armor debuff for everyone

[drowsy wren]

yes

[merry oak]

cool casue the armor bane blessing desciption is all jumbled code

[tame lodge]

For Helby?

[merry oak]

yea

[tame lodge]

Yeah, blessing not worth it

[drowsy wren]

people run helbore in non themed builds? :0

[tame lodge]

What can I say, the weapon is good

[grand perch]

yeah ofc

[tame lodge]

Once you make through its uh

Quirks

Yeah

[merry oak]

the bayonet is pretty strong

if you know how to use it

so you dont really need to whip out your melee weapon

[full nacelle]

if I'm running DB shotgun with WS, why should I take scattershot if I already have guaranteed crits from WS?

[slow spade]

Because it only works for 1 shot

And constantly flipping between weapons is annoying

[full nacelle]

I thought the point of WS was to flip between weapons though

[last parcel]

it is

[full nacelle]

Gotcha. So scattershot less useful on WS vet.

[last parcel]

yeah
it does give you better odds of a crit when shooting after a single melee kill in the middle of a fight but i don’t think that’s as useful as having another blessing

[full nacelle]

perfect, thank you!

this works out nicely, now I don't have to craft a third DB shotgun

[unique orchid]

uhh

thank you emperor

i really did need a second +3 stam on my deadshot veteran

[plucky linden]

is this actually a good base for hellbore infinite ammo crit build, compared to dumping either charge rate or stability fully? Or I should never dump ammo even on it?

[unique orchid]

damage stop and charge are the main stats really

doubly so for a shock build

[plucky linden]

yeah, it's a shock trooper build, with crit buildup.

[unique orchid]

should be fine

[plucky linden]

I had to levelup mastery with this one for now.
8% charge rate is kinda pain when you need it.

[half comet]

guys, what is the dump stat on the dbs? stopping power or mobility?

[trim steppe]

Never stopping power, that is damage. Dump mobility

[half comet]

gotcha appreciate it

[drowsy wren]

any good Marksman focus builds? i struggle keeping it up

[unique orchid]

viagra

[drowsy wren]

[last parcel]

it means vraks 5 infantry autogun

[trim steppe]

What a setup, what a payoff

[drowsy wren]

not vraks again x(

[dire olive]

"Fuck this I'm leaving"

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-holt-brooklyn-nine-99-how-dare-you-gif-12239747

[dire olive]

Laspistol, 15 stacks node

pretty fun

don't have to ads to get the headshots

[drowsy wren]

i might give that a go

tree like this fine for it?

(im only using it for the 2500 penance kills)

[dire olive]

Personally I would switch 10% rending for Exhilarating Takedown

[drowsy wren]

yea makes sense

[last parcel]

oh if you're doing that you'll have better luck with a zarona shotgun with the manstopper blessing

[dire olive]

was about to say

[drowsy wren]

:0

skill tree would work the same anyways yea?

[dire olive]

if you just want to farm spam the shotgun special shots into hordes

[drowsy wren]

spec in to some reload speed then?

[last parcel]

yeah just grab tactical reload on the right starter tree

[drowsy wren]

dump stat mobility?

/ammo

[last parcel]

yeah

/stability not ammo

[drowsy wren]

ah i already have a 420 with ammo dump

which blessing would you run 2nd?

[last parcel]

scattershot. you want more crit to activate manstopper so you can cleave the entire horde at once

[drowsy wren]

full bore works with special shot?

[last parcel]

if you can get every single pellet of the wide shot to hit yeah

[drowsy wren]

i mean does the special shot trigger full bore

^^

[last parcel]

the special shot is the wide shot i was reffering to

it's a long horizontal line

[drowsy wren]

oh i see ive never used this mk

the one ive used before was the slug one

[last parcel]

ah the agripinaa

[drowsy wren]

so i thought 200iq slug procs it

[last parcel]

the slug does proc it

[drowsy wren]

:0

what are we thinking?

[last parcel]

yeah it'll work

camouflage can make regaining 10 stacks easier and there's not much diff between 15 and 10 stacks for horde farming but it's up to you

[drowsy wren]

ive tried it for a run and realized im quite shit with it

having 10 stacks only isnt to nice for the penance

1 step and ur on 9

[last parcel]

you have 6 seconds to make that step after a kill

and you can just stand still for half a second to get back to 10

[drowsy wren]

fair

[last parcel]

either way it's just preference

[drowsy wren]

thanks for the help 🙂

just run unarmored/flak on the sg?

[last parcel]

i did because of bruisers

in the end i don't think it matters much

[drowsy wren]

yea ill put flak crit damage

[last parcel]

ok maybe stick with unarmored flak

[drowsy wren]

xD

[last parcel]

since crit damage is just based on the bonus damage so is always less than 10%

[drowsy wren]

oof i didnt know that

btw this shotgun is actually fun to use

[last parcel]

yeah same with weak spot damage

[last parcel]

it really is

clotheslining a bunch of poxwalkers lol

https://imgur.com/2z6Ci0o

[drowsy wren]

looks nice

[faint beacon]

Pre-UnL as well lmao

[broken gazelle]

ello fellow vetrans

[last parcel]

hello munitorum mk vii sapper shovel

[broken gazelle]

dang right

[sonic elk]

Combat Knife

Catachan Mk III

[broken gazelle]

I'm currently levelling with the catachan MkVI

Though I might switch to mkiii

not sure what blessings to use though

[last parcel]

uncanny with riposte/mercy killer (if taking serrated blade talent)/precog/flesh tearer/executor (if mk VI)

[vestal widget]

huh, interesting

[fading yarrow]

We're so back

[broken gazelle]

top 2 picks if not using serrated blade? 😄

[last parcel]

can't go wrong with uncanny + riposte

[ancient path]

favorite chainsword blessings for horde clearing?

[last parcel]

actually that's a lie, you could go wrong by not aiming for the head and not dodging but at that point you should just die

[broken gazelle]

I was using Mercy Killer and Lacerate. Wasn't sure if I was benefiting from it at all

[ancient path]

also whats the heavy sword like

[last parcel]

i put shred on both. rampage/savage sweep with IV and wrath with XIIIg

[ancient path]

neat

[last parcel]

cuts through non carapace

slow swings though

[ancient path]

word

[vestal widget]

heavy sword's party trick is one shotting mutants, or sweeping a bunch of ragers, shotgunners, etc at once

[floral hearth]

good trick to have though

[vestal widget]

yeah, just gotta cover the gaps on your ranged + nade

[last parcel]

you probably got a bit of benefit from lacerating hordes while throwing mk VI heavies and then hitting them with mercy killer, but it's a lot less beneficial than uncanny + mercy killer + serrated blade

[ancient path]

ive been enjoying the hell out of bolt pistol and chain sword

with voc

[fading yarrow]

Pardon me frens, but which weapon should I build Mastery for next: Combat Shotgun, Double-Barrelled Shotgun or Plasma Gun?

[ancient path]

just trying to get the most out of the build

i really like focus target but the chain sword gameplay almost makes me wanna go melee build lol.

[last parcel]

double barrel is very fun to use with weapon specialist so that'd be my choice
plasma if you want the typical strong choice

[floral hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/экстерминатус-бабай-великолепный-бэбэй-бебей-gif-17986446467396080512

[last parcel]

+attack speed with chainsword makes a lot of happy chemical

[ancient path]

oh yeah

[last parcel]

though sometimes i run both at the same time

[ancient path]

pretty much hahahah

[ancient path]

both? you dont go weak spot damage and ammo?

[last parcel]

i still get precision strikes but skip survivalist

[ancient path]

oh i dont take survivalist. i do 5% more damage > voc

theres a 25% ammo boost on deep left side

im not on darktide rn to refer to actual talent names

i do run out of ammo a lot on the bolt pistol but i only really go survivalist on my "yeah im just blasting" builds

[last parcel]

oh fully loaded
yeah i skip that too and throw on unarmoured since that means i skipped the elite damage from superiority complex

[ancient path]

fair

[tame lodge]

Oh what the heck

Why did they changed the Helbore bayo charge like that

[last parcel]

it fucked me up so hard

[tame lodge]

How do you de-quality of life

That's just weird lmao

[floral hearth]

wha happen

[tame lodge]

You need to hold the bayo then run

Like

[floral hearth]

oof

[tame lodge]

It stops running

Bruh

This mastery skin also changes the mk IV's iron sights

Don't like it

[fiery moss]

So, what's the dump stat for plasma gun these days?

They fixed the charge rate part affecting damage, right?

[plucky linden]

Decimator vs Headtaker on brutal momentum Rashad?
Any specific breakpoints Decimator gives you?

[last parcel]

yes but it still affects uncharged shot speed by like 0.07
for a perfect plasma there is no dump stat
practically you can dump thermal and be fine

[full nacelle]

I am once again giving the Helbore a chance

this time using a Helbore MkIV with hot shot and surgical

charge up big shots, cleave entire hordes

[last parcel]

you’ll only cleave 2 more poxwalkers

[full nacelle]

wait really? so hot shot is useless?

[last parcel]

it’s a marginal benefit that pales in comparison to weight of fire

it’s 50% and they just didnt write that properly

[full nacelle]

I'm not a fan of weight of fire tbh

messes with my muscle memory

and less surgical stacks

[fiery moss]

Oh, I would've thought maybe ammo or something?

[last parcel]

in that case a marginal benefit would indeed be better than screwing with your muscle memory so go ahead

[last parcel]

you can still hold the charge to build surgical if you must. it just gives you the option to rapidly chain shots when crits aren’t strictly required

[full nacelle]

wow 50% cleave... incredible fatshark

what a waste of what could have been an awesome blessing

[last parcel]

plasma is pretty ammo hungry, plus higher ammo stat means more refunded by survivalist

[fiery moss]

Ah that's true, I forgot about survivalist. Thanks!

[last parcel]

fr i was so ready to make a horde clear helbore before they shattered my dreams

[tall torrent]

Take headtaker

[soft solstice]

its better forever since I ran the autopistol and it doesn't feel as nice as I remember it

[south garnet]

So, what's the use-case on the shock maul? I haven't used it yet, and wondering what its niche is/perks and blessings it uses/general feedback.

[full nacelle]

it's not very good, but there is a very funny Inspiring Barrage + Born Leader build I run with it

[broken gazelle]

I mastered it recently and love it. pretty versatile, and the altfire can tase people in the 🥚🥚s

[vestal widget]

decent damage to everything except unyielding, good against crushers. can stun on block

[south garnet]

Alright, interesting! Wouldn't have expected it to be good against crushers, that's encouraging

[broken gazelle]

tase crushers and they just stand there helpless for a while

[vestal widget]

doesn't hotshot work on hits with melee weapon too tho?

[south garnet]

Stunning on block is pretty neat

[soft solstice]

maul has pretty much 100% rending on flak and carapace to the point that I want ot say you can dump penetration on both of them and still good general damage to flak, and still have good carapace damage if you combo your special into heavies, I think you can kill maulers and bulwarks in a fairly quick combothat way

[broken gazelle]

and there's a blessing to do 25% damage vs tased

not sure if that's good, but seems fun

[soft solstice]

and the way that enemies being counted as electuated is that hitting them once applies the shock effect, even if they're not stunned, so repeated hits will get the bonus damage

[broken gazelle]

oh nice. I thought you had to tase em first

[vestal widget]

i need to test out hotshot helbore + knife sometime, need to have a look at what weps would get value out of the cleave

[soft solstice]

the base damage is pretty low on it but its also easy to get, the vanguard heavy does fair damage for crowds, and it has a pretty simple combo

[south garnet]

Interesting alright, so the cool blessings are the + against tased, and something else? Is there a brutal momentum equivalent or?

[vestal widget]

the main issue is that you have to have ranged damage on ranged/blitz

[broken gazelle]

I'm trying to level knife x boltpistol and not really enjoying it
but sunk cost fallacy and all that 😄

[vestal widget]

since trying to clutch vs boss + horde is just miserable

[soft solstice]

no brutal on it

[south garnet]

Ah

[vestal widget]

best blesses are some mix of lightning reflex/skullcrusher/high voltage

[last parcel]

yeah i forgot to mention that

[soft solstice]

hammerblow on it should be able to act like the shovel where any light/heavy hit should stunlock anything short of mutant or boss, but there's better options than it

[vestal widget]

idk how useful or marginal that is on any particular build, differences i feel could easily be placebo

i suppose i should test it sometime

[broken gazelle]

mine has hammerblow but I intend to replace it

[soft solstice]

being able to stunlock groups of ragers does feel pretty nice though

[vestal widget]

i played a bit of critbleed knife + hotshot helbore for the cleave meme but i don't think i actually get the most hypothetically optimal potential out of it because i keep hitting them instead of walking away if i notice they're bleeding out

[soft solstice]

huh, the cleave on shock maul is alot better than I thought it was

[last parcel]

i played a bit of bleed mk VI knife before realizing i don’t pay enough attention to know if it mattered and decided i didnt care enough

it feels like it gives the bayonet more cc though

[soft solstice]

bleed feels nice, all there is

[thorny gorge]

Is it good

Probably not

But i still like it

Honestly i barely even use the knife for combat

[carmine cradle]

hm
gun man

man with gun

hm

[thorny gorge]

I use it for movement and the stray bruiser

And bosses

Thats kinda it lmao

[soft solstice]

i like the knife but I don't really use it outside of specific builds like crit zealot or specialist vet

and now that everyone can use the rapier, I'd just use that instead

[thorny gorge]

I dont even use it for zealot

I prefer heavy evis

[carmine cradle]

the problem with knife zealot is that its too good

[soft solstice]

there's like not really any reason to use the tactical axe now that everyone gets the rapier too, especially since it gets agile too

[cunning haven]

do i need 400 rating for a maxed out curio?

looking for +3 stamina

[soft solstice]

i have a curio over 400 but I don't think the rating actually matters on it?

[cunning haven]

huh, alright... i see a 360 rating curio but it is only +2 stamina. so the ratings dont do anything?

[soft solstice]

not that I know of. I'm pretty sure curios work like normal equipment where the range of how good they are is based on your level, so you probably won't find max stuff like 17% toughness or 20% health curios until you get close to 30

you can freelychange all 3 perks on a curio now but you still can't change the base bonus

[raw birch]

i havent played for quite a while i feel like my plasma dont feel that strong anymore lmao

what guns/meles do u guys use alot nowadays?

i havent plays since twins

[last parcel]

im gonna give the very unhelpful but true answer of "i use everything"

[broken gazelle]

I love shovel

[last parcel]

i never would've guessed

[broken gazelle]

haha

[soft solstice]

I still run plasma on my shout build and it works fine, I just regeared it for the high heat blessings

[raw birch]

oh shit we got ds? thats insane

[last parcel]

and heavy sword
yeah ds is nuts

[soft solstice]

shovel and tactical axe are good general use melees, power sword once you have power cycle, chainsword is still nice

[broken gazelle]

shovel x shock maul are my two current favourites.

[raw birch]

ive heard bolter got a buff, i remember back then it wasnt that great

[soft solstice]

maul is nice as a shovel alternative, even the heavy sword can sort of be like a more AOE shovel alternative with hte right perk selection

[verbal burrow]

Decided to re-work my Talent tree in order to lean heavier into my Ability and my Keystone. What do folks think?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d290a62-2f22-499e-b08f-2bf51fc7d47b/tough-squad-leader-version-5

[soft solstice]

rending blessing on the heavy sword can give it not as good rending as the shovel with uncanny strike but it has way more general damage/cleave for hordes and better access to blessings to buff it

[frail skiff]

Fatshark, can vet have a heavy stubber?
Fatshark: We have a heavy stubber at home.

Heavy stubber at home:

[verbal burrow]

Main changes would be that now that I have figured out that staying alive doesn't require an overkill amount of toughness generation, I got the +10% damage buff for the Toughness Shout, and all 3 keystone upgrades

[soft solstice]

as much as I like support stuff, I feel like redirect fire is too minor to be worth taking, same with for the emperor, i'd say maybe invest both poitns into for blood near the top for that extra toughness regen, or get the 5% crit chance node right before shout and maybe competitive urge?

[last parcel]

the main point of redirect fire is consistency for plasma breakpoints

[soft solstice]

i don't pay attention enough to any that to know if it'd make a difference or not, though I did just put longshot on my plasma build since I do enough long range sniping with it anyway, but I also exclusively do charge shots too

[verbal burrow]

In fairness of I wanted crit chance I could just get the plasma blessing that gives me 50% crit chance

But I know I will always be outmelee'd by ogryns and zealots, and always outranged by psykers, so making other people awesome is fine for me

[soft solstice]

that 5% crit is more of a general thing, good for plasma and also sword, but I do like crit stuff in general, to the point that I put crit chance on all my wepaon perks

[verbal burrow]

I like crit on my Accatran because more fire damage-over-time and more ammo back

but I'd never take that to auric when the plasma has built in Suppression-Immunity and can fire through solid cover

and everything else it encounters until the edge of the map or a bulwark shield

[soft solstice]

I like that fireteam got buffed but it still feels hard to consider taking itover sharpshooter

[tall torrent]

U don’t need all 3 nodes on focus target

Try smth like this

Redirect fire is all you need

Inspiring presence is horrible, don’t ever take that

U don’t need superiority complex if u take unarmored on ur plasma

[last parcel]

they're going for a thematic toughness battery support build so i'd still keep target down

[soft solstice]

inspiring presence only buffs the passive coherency regen speed, but it still feels nice

target down is too nice not to take in general anyway

[tall torrent]

Inspiring presence is like +0.8 toughness per second from full coherency

You have to be built special in a special way to be able to tell that

[tall torrent]

It’s a QoL node that usually isn’t necessary

[verbal burrow]

I don't think I'd vibe with that. Requires me to give up +25% ammo, +15% damage vs elites, and -10% toughness damage.

[kindred vapor]

Can anyone help me make a knife boltpistol build on vet for funsies?

[verbal burrow]

I'd also never consider going in without grenade tinkerer

[soft solstice]

i would have invested into all that right side stuff instead of the left, though there's alot of stuff i'd probably take first, and they do want to invest a bit into the plasma gun, though I feel liek the best thing they could do for that is to take scavenger instead

tinkerer I feel is kind ofn eeded with frag and smokes

[kindred vapor]

this is what I'm using, idk what blessings I want or feats

[tall torrent]

That elite damage changes no breakpoints
And that 25% ammo scales poorly with plasma because it scales from reserve ammo

[soft solstice]

everything but bosses should die to a single krak so the extra damage should just matter for the latter, unless the blast has damage fall off and the extra damage makes it more consistent in killing stuff around the target

[tall torrent]

Extra damage that doesn’t result in better breakpoints is generally pointless

[kindred vapor]

What do you guys think for build/blessings?

[soft solstice]

i'd say replace point blank with run and gun and get used to getting hipfire headshots, than running it with all right side skills though you can run shout instead of invis based on how you like to play. Both are pretty mobile weapons with a shove on hte pistol, which is good for the specialist keystone if you want to only switch weapons to take advantage of the stack

[kindred vapor]

Think I should keep puncture?

I feel like execution might be fun with it

[soft solstice]

puncture should help for big boys, i forget what else it has but it can probably go based on what you like

[kindred vapor]

these are the blessings

[kindred vapor]

What about on the dagger?

[soft solstice]

Dagger stuff is both fine since you can get passive bleeding anyway for mercy killer and uncanny strike is great

Knife is good horde clear and single target with both those blessings while the bolt pistol gives you a good anti elite/special option with good range and enough ammo to keep weapon specialist active, you swap to it to kill a few gunners or flamers and the like, or kill a single pox walker before switching back to the knife for that sweet speed and dodge bonus

And running kraks gives you a nice way to deal with Ogryns without spending ammo, forcing you to swap, or get close to them

[kindred vapor]

So what do you think for perks?

[soft solstice]

I’d probably go with any combo of the two you have and Maniac. You should be able to get enough crit chance to not need the perk for it but I feel like you can’t have enough of it

[kindred vapor]

No I meant feats sorry

[soft solstice]

give me a bit and I can probably slap a build for it real quick

[stoic basalt]

whats the new god roll for power swords?

[frail skiff]

Stat wise?

[frail skiff]

This is what I've been using

[stoic basalt]

that too but blessings, was using points and hope the 1 blessing i ignored isnt the best one

also wow Lasbore has a bugged Blessing

[frail skiff]

Power Cycler is manditory so you're not recharging every 2 swings

Brutal momentum for horde clearing

[tall torrent]

80 everything, 60 cleave target
Maniac + elite
Power cycler + brutal momentum/sunder

Cleave target basically changes nothing

[stoic basalt]

nice its still what I remember, time to channel my inner Link and mow the grass

[tall torrent]

No major cleave breakpoints by having it go higher

[frail skiff]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

Hardest weapon to perfect roll in the game rn is plasma gun

Everything else is easy to craft perfect

[stoic basalt]

does it need 4 at 80? or some certain random number?

[frail skiff]

iirc Dump stat for plasma is charge rate, right?

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun is the only weapon in the game without a dump stat and specifically wants:

80 damage
80 stopping power
80 ammo
69 thermal resist (8 continuous shots)
71 charge rate (remaining)
Unarmored/elite + flak/maniac
Rising heat + gets hot

[stoic basalt]

oh yeah thats gonna be trash to hunt for

not as bad as it was before but yeah not fun

[tall torrent]

It’s bad because the game basically only spawns 4x80+60

But this gun wants 3x80+2x70

[tall torrent]

Nah, directly affects firerate (even for left click)

[frail skiff]

Ah

Interesting

[tall torrent]

Which is around 8.5% difference between 60% and 71% charge rate

It just doesn’t have a dump stat

[frail skiff]

Melk might be the best place since I seldom see perfect 80s on anything in the shop

[stable socket]

I wonder if the perfect stats change if, for example, you're trying to stay at high heat by shooting until near overheat, then quelling for one tick

because in that case you're rarely shooting 8x continuously from 0%

[tall torrent]

You usually don’t need to

But it happens

This is a “perfect roll” situation

U can play with non-perfect rolls as long as they have near-max damage & stopping power

[frail skiff]

The only time I see you doing 8 shots is when you have 6+ crushers coming at you or you're trying to cook a boss

[tall torrent]

Nah

Mauler & rager waves

Specialist spam

Gunner waves

It happens

Again, u don’t have to use a perfect one

I’m just giving u the info on what a perfect roll would be

[stable socket]

if you're running rising heat plus gets hot (without blaze away), would you get more dps by staying at high heat

[tall torrent]

Getting 69% thermal resist doesn’t change how that’s played

[cunning birch]

should i bother re-rolling to get the thermal and charge swapped?

[tall torrent]

It’s good enough for what it is

You could be several million dockets away from another near-perfect roll

I got a 70-70 spread last night but I got scammed because empowering bug made it change stats

[stable socket]

right, but if 69% thermal resist means each shot generates 12.5% heat and one tick of cooling cools you down by 20%, cooling twice to go down to 60% means you can shoot 4x because the shots would bring your heat to 72.5 -> 85 -> 97.5 -> 100

[tall torrent]

Alr requested if they can restore my roll back

[soft solstice]

charge and thermal are the two stats i'd dump and I don't know how much of a difference either or makes

[tall torrent]

It simply doesn’t have a dump stat

[tall torrent]

You cannot shoot at 97.5% heat

[soft solstice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d292558-dbad-4f82-bcf4-7aaaf5459ba0
Here's something pretty close to what I run.

[tall torrent]

U can shoot at 95%

Not higher

Because it builds heat during the pre-fire delay

[stable socket]

so if you had, say, 67% thermal resist and each shot generated 12.9% heat (spitballing), you could still shoot 4x after cooling twice by going 72.9 -> 85.8 -> 98.7 -> 100

yeah i know the exact breakpoint is different

cuz it's 95

but i don't wanna redo the math for the example

[tall torrent]

69% is just a QoL for the “perfect roll”

[soft solstice]

I can't tell hte difference between 60 and 80% charge and I feel like thermal resistance past a certain point is a non issue in terms of how much heat you build and how fast you drain it, especially if you go power and crit rate at high heat, shoot until you get to 100%, vent once to get it down to 80%, shoot, and repeat

[stable socket]

i know, but your "perfect roll" assumes you start from 0% all the time, which may no longer be optimal if you run double heat-scaling blessings

[tall torrent]

60% vs 80% charge rate is a 16.7% firerate difference

[tall torrent]

Even if you run double heat blessings, you’re still going to start fights at 0% heat

[soft solstice]

I only do charge shots with my plasma and I don't feel much of a difference, it feels plenty fast enuogh

[tall torrent]

It’s a “perfect roll” for any scenario including entering combat

[tall torrent]

Don’t use charged shots, they’re not worth

[stable socket]

here's a very extreme example: you're fighting 20 crushers. you start the fight at 0% heat, and a "perfect roll" lets you shoot 8 times before you need to cool - you then repeat "cool to 60% -> shoot X times" until all crushers are dead

[soft solstice]

but charge shots is what I like the best about the plasma, I feel like I'd rather just run something else otherwise

[stable socket]

there is a less perfect roll out there that has less thermal resistance, so you could only shoot 7 times on entry before needing to cool

[tall torrent]

The not-so extreme example is dealing with 8 consecutive priority targets (trappers, flamers, gunners), starting from 0 heat

This happens

[stable socket]

but afterwards, when you do the loop, you can still shoot X times but your fire rate is faster

[tall torrent]

Again, you can play without a perfect roll

[stable socket]

i do agree with you, but what i'm saying is this: the "perfect roll" 69/71 is perfect for the case where you start from cold, but it's no longer perfect for very extended engagements where you never go back to 0% because you can sacrifice a small amount of thermal resistance to get a higher amortized fire rate

[tall torrent]

It’s the perfect “General use” roll

[soft solstice]

but perfect roles are so much easier to get now that its a more relevant conversation ot have

[tall torrent]

Not for plasma, which is the frustrating part

[tall torrent]

Firerate difference between 71% and 80% charge rate is 7.5%
I personally don’t think its so huge that I’d drop the 8 consecutive shots for that

80% charge rate shoots a little too fast for my liking

[stable socket]

the difference between 7 and 8 shots is 14.3% (or 12.5%, depending on which side you're measuring from)!

so yeah while 69/71 is probably the easiest one to measure, it's still a tradeoff

you get effectively 15% more burst for 7.5% less sustained

[tall torrent]

I think being able to take out 8 priority targets before venting at the start of fights is more impactful than 7.5% firerate difference

[stable socket]

which (in 90% of cases) is a worthwhile trade but you're still trading something off

[tall torrent]

Not to mention it inherently being a gun that you shoot only when seeing things u need to shoot

The situations where u need to put out as many plasma shots as fast as possible are much rarer than “taking out 8 priority targets from cold”

You pretty much have to be magdumping boss or crusher wave to make that situation happen

Which is not what the gun is made for

I see your argument, it’s just a really niche one outside of a few super specific situations that the gun isn’t made for

[broken gazelle]

knife with 61% first target
or knife with 73% first target and 66% penetration? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Go for 80 everything except mobility on knife
U don’t want to dump any of the damage-related stats

[worldly pulsar]

You just lose so little for losing the 20% mob

[broken gazelle]

keeping an eye out 😄

[stable socket]

yeah it definitely does depend on the situation - for something like monstrous specialists or melee-only maelstrom (although running plasma for this is not the greatest) i can see myself staying at high heat and only half-cooling for several minutes, but for the everyday use case where there's enough time to cool down between engagements it's just easier to run the 69/71

[stoic basalt]

number 1 thing I want, my guy to hold the gun I was using

[tall torrent]

Shame hat 69/71 is
Turbo difficult to come by

[stable socket]

it be like that sometimes

[tall torrent]

I’m counting on fatshark to fix their empowering bug which butchered my 70-70

And restore my 70-70

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/restore-weapon-to-original-stat-distribution-altered-by-empowerment/99655

[frank ether]

I had a 79 damage heavy sword that turned 80 when I upped it

[soft solstice]

I think if you're gonna slap one of the rending blessings on a knife, you can probably dump penetration?

[tall torrent]

U prob shouldn’t in case u want to run it without uncanny strike

Which is a legitimate playstyle that isn’t trolling

[soft solstice]

of course but uncanny just feels so nice on hte weapons can get it, like rapier and shovel

[frank ether]

I like the part where it amps up bleed damage

[tall torrent]

U don’t need uncanny on duelling sword either

[frank ether]

is this the case for all rending/brittle sources I dont know but I assume so?

[tall torrent]

Knife & duelling sword can get away by building for high crit chance

[scenic merlin]

is stability dump stat for braced autoguns?

[halcyon ridge]

well even "dump" is 60 post update

so yea imo

[soft solstice]

aim should still be fine on it

[tall torrent]

No, mobility

Stability changes ur spread size

[soft solstice]

mobility would also be the second choice

[scenic merlin]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

Which for a gun that can’t shoot straight is pretty useful

[frank ether]

good stability still reduces your spread by a degree or two so I guess thats better than %0.01 faster run speed?

[scenic merlin]

and what would be the dump stat for boltpistols?

[stoic basalt]

whats a good knife? gonna run a kinda Comando build for fun with Knife Bolt Pistol

[frail skiff]

How much of the bottom right tree are you taking?

[wild cliff]

using the catachan what attribute do i dump? finesse?

[soft solstice]

The reload on my bolt pistol is currently like 30% because most of it is in the final part of the upgrade which u have to unlock, and I really feel the slowness but I feel like once I get it to 60, it’ll feel fine with reload perks

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[soft solstice]

Mobility is nice but I feel is dump able since it has decent movement stats at around 60 and run and gun to help with spread, kind of same with stability but I don’t know how much of a difference that makes

[tall torrent]

Never ever dump finesse
Dump mobility to 60%

[soft solstice]

Is collateral one that effects damage for different armor types or just stagger?

I think that and crowd control mixes up what it effects per weapon

[fiery moss]

Run n' Gun on bolt pistol so good

[last parcel]

stagger. armor damage is stopping power

[tall torrent]

Collateral is just stagger & suppression

Outside of autopistol u can safely dump it

[soft solstice]

Then yeah, for sure dump that

[tall torrent]

Autopistol kinda cares because it needs stagger

[scenic merlin]

same for bolter?

[tall torrent]

For Boltgun, dump mobility

[orchid hemlock]

What about for recon?

[soft solstice]

If its not a stat that effects ammo or damage, its probably good to dump

[worldly pulsar]

Can the bolt pistol be reasonably used as crowd control with that one explosion blessing?

[winter grove]

The gay gun

[mossy dust]

Ok am i crazy in thinking that there isnt really much of a difference between thesee too

[tall torrent]

Ideally, 80 everything except mobility

[worldly pulsar]

Hammer is right, but you're correct in that those two are very similar

[soft solstice]

Range on shotgun also includes what’s considered close range, right?

[lunar jasper]

Range is just range of effectiveness on the shotguns before damage drop off

Someone correct me if I’m wrong here but that’s what I’ve noticed

[fading yarrow]

Which blessings should I use for the Double-Barrel?

[soft solstice]

i thought range effected how long until damage starts to fall off, how good the damage was when it does fall off, and I thought it made a difference in what's considered close range for the purpose of blessings

[velvet estuary]

My brothers, what devils claw mark do you lot swear by

4?

[steel lagoon]

4 has the easier combos, 7 is more advanced, 1 has block efficiency

[tame lodge]

By crowd control you mean frag grenade spam

[velvet estuary]

More advanced how

[worldly pulsar]

Yes lol

[soft solstice]

unless the strikedown on 7 has different stats from hte one on 4, 4 just seems the overall best since it has an easy to access strikedown compared 7 which has it as the second heavy, and access to it in general which 1 doesn't have

I think the 7 might be able to chain light heavy strikedowns but I think that's still weaker htan chaining heavies on the 4

[errant sable]

any changes I should make to this? also it was 61 collateral but empowering it brought it down to 57

[soft solstice]

I don't know how effective proximity actually is, and I feel like run and gun is too useful on it, I'd much rather run either revolver otherwise

[errant sable]

I have rev but a little tired of it

[tough tiger]

Proximity is great for suppressing hordes at close range

I wish the aoe procs puncture too tho

[errant sable]

would be silly

[tough tiger]

Would be very silly xd

[errant sable]

I thought it would so that's why I had it XD

[tough tiger]

On demand shredder frags

[errant sable]

what purpose does the special serve?

[soft solstice]

you're suppose to be able to combo it into a quick gunshot but I feel like trying to land a headshot with it is kind of weird, so I guess just as a quick shove if you don't want to switch to your primary? Which I find good for busters if you're running specalist keystone

[tough tiger]

To look cool

It's great to smack a gunner in the face and blow its head off in 1 go

[gentle pivot]

What is the least important stat for the sapper shovel? I'm guessing it's either mobility or defense?

[blissful cliff]

defense

[soft solstice]

defense but it should be pretty much impossible to get a shovel with a low enough mobility stat to lose a dodge

[blissful cliff]

Also the only thing i would change on that Bistol is swap puncture for Run and gun, it makes hip firing genuinely more accurate than ADS lol

[soft solstice]

I have no idea how much the push cost makes a difference but I never push in general and I don't know how useful the push is on it anyway

and even with a low defense stat, its still a very efficient weapon for sprinting

[lunar jasper]

For the first part that’s what I said, for close range definition it’s based off distance not weapon range effectiveness

Sorry for late response lmao

[soft solstice]

right, I took a look at it and I think it effects when fall off starts to occur and I kind of started to think that it effected what counts as close range when it probably doesn't

[lunar jasper]

Nope close range is defined by distance from enemy, idk if it varies between weapons though

[soft solstice]

I think close range in terms of blessings and talents is a preset distance across all weapons

[lunar jasper]

Yes, that I know

Although with shotguns specifically the DB I don’t think they’ll ever really get out of close range definition anyway lmao

Unless it’s the slug special shot sg

[crimson pebble]

puncture doesnt proc off lethal prox btw if that's what you were going 4

[tall torrent]

Make frag grenades go crazy

[tawny badger]

lethal proximity smoke grenade ‼️

[tall torrent]

Close range is defined as 12.5m

The “range” stat for DB shotgun governs damage falloff range intervals

[soft solstice]

how does it effect frags? I'm also not sure if proximity is made to be a damaging blessing or just a stagger CC one

[lunar jasper]

So I was right about the range stat

[tall torrent]

+25% explosion radius

[tall torrent]

Close range is 12.5m radius from the player

[soft solstice]

so having the gun out when a frag pops applies the bonus to it? that sounds like that one bug where empowered psionics was buffing hte damage of the lightning staff

[lunar jasper]

[last parcel]

you don't need the gun out

[tall torrent]

It’s not a bug, it’s working as intended

[soft solstice]

that feels so weird

how did anyone ever notice that?

[tall torrent]

I make the veteran guide

[serene bough]

Number cat knows all

[tawny badger]

what if the strike was canny

[soft solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-osu-greece-greek-cat-osu-cat-greek-gif-2694212203346871017

[tawny badger]

what if the proximity was nonlethal

[errant sable]

ya I realized that in the testing area, just didn't know what else to put

[crimson pebble]

surgical is a must imo then either puncture or that one that increases crit weakspot dmg

[tall torrent]

Puncture is ok for some breakpoints

Lethal proximity is basically BIS because it makes frag spam go crazy

I think lethal proximity + Run&gun/puncture is the best way to run it for veteran

[undone ravine]

i change my mind on combat shotguns, iu just tried the zarona shotty with the cleave and crit blessings, its actually pretty good

[crimson pebble]

not crit maxxing smh

[tall torrent]

If it had the 0.2s stack version of surgical I’d rate it higher

But puncture just generally do more

I’d even run point blank over surgical on it

[crimson pebble]

thats why you pair it w deadshot and maybe overkill it w exe

[tall torrent]

At that point it’s just of just a worse Boltgun ?

[last parcel]

[crimson pebble]

yea but cooler

[tall torrent]

And revolver?

Boltgun is actually peak on veteran rn

Super fun, pretty strong too

[crimson pebble]

always has been

[tall torrent]

Nah the exe stance tax was bad

[crimson pebble]

nothing compared to the infiltrate build point economics

[tall torrent]

The fact that I can unironically fit a Rashad into a Boltgun build for veteran while still getting a keystone

Crazy

And both weapons hit all their major breakpoints too

[crimson pebble]

i ruh rashad w plasma for true evil maxxing

[tall torrent]

Infil is not that much talent tax

If ur weapons can function breakpoint-wise without superiority complex

Which unfortunately does not include boltpistol