veteran-class

[junior needle]

If so it's dogshit

[verbal burrow]

What I run when I orient entirely around the Plasma Gun is this:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d257f1f-b5f7-4fe8-b7a0-a06328eb9bee/plasma-gunner-5

[last parcel]

yes

[west cave]

it has the lowest ttk against both elites and giant targets

[junior needle]

lowest ttk*

[cunning haven]

i do that all the time though 😅 . well as long as there aren't higher priority targets

[junior needle]

high dps = low ttk, low dps = high ttk

[west cave]

I know I forgorr

[umbral garnet]

With helbore, chaffe is the last thing you want to be shooting.

[junior needle]

It becomes a bad habit as you progress into higher difficulties

[umbral garnet]

Helbore is THE marksman find target bang dead weapon.

[verbal burrow]

The problem is that sometimes the AI director and your quickplay teammates with no working headsets don't give you the option of not shooting things that aren't your targets

[cunning haven]

ok, i won't take covering fire then...

[verbal burrow]

Why would you not want covering fire?

[umbral garnet]

How many points did you say you have left

[cunning haven]

3

[umbral garnet]

Hmm

[junior needle]

Very short range, requires you to shoot into chaffe your teammates are already clearing

Does nothing otherwise

[verbal burrow]

Also refills everyone's Toughness if I bisect six dudes with one plasma bolt

[junior needle]

And your teammates should be able to exist in crowds without needing constantly fills up from you doing it

[verbal burrow]

But they're not

[junior needle]

Unless they buffed the range, it's a very short distance

So your team would have to be bundled up next to the things you're killing

[verbal burrow]

I only just came back to this game, and my german friends are hooked on Helldivers, so I'm stuck in quickplay difficulty 4 hell until I pick myself up and find a new team

[west cave]

I think if that's happening you're already doing something wrong

[cunning haven]

description says ally must be 5 meters from the target for covering fire. it gives 15% toughness as well as 10% damage for 3 seconds

[umbral garnet]

Lookin at the build, I'd suggest desperado, honestly, to not make you helpless in melee. Speaking of, what melee are you using, a shovel or did you not change it?

[junior needle]

It's just a poorly designed talent

[verbal burrow]

Yes but Quickplay is about making the best of a bad situation

[umbral garnet]

Clutches are common. Quickplay you rely on yourself. Simple as.

[junior needle]

Also it doesn't work on you because UHHHH

[verbal burrow]

Though sometimes you get teamed up with a cute repentia with a giant chainsword and giant chainswords are adorbs

[junior needle]

Fatshark game design

[umbral garnet]

If you can survive well, your team will be fine.

That's the logic of quickplay. For me, at least.

[cunning haven]

i have a shovel, but i haven't built it yet. still need to look at melee weapons properly. but i mainly use my bayonet and grenades unless i get overwhelmed.

[trim steppe]

QP you cover your team but you dont focus on supporting them (through talents etc)

[wind spoke]

Holy shit, weapon specialist build with bolt pistol and Mk VI power sword slaps pretty fuckin hard. I'm probably way late to this party, but damn...I might hang onto this one.

[umbral garnet]

I want to suggest sapper shovel mk3 because my Krieg voice wants to yell so bad but I think something with better horde clear could help, like devils claw or heavy sword now that we have those.

[atomic zephyr]

give the mk9 heavy sword a try too

[verbal burrow]

Oh I fully expect the game to spawn a dozen dudes directly behind me so I build in anticipation of that

[wind spoke]

That's probably my next weapon to test. Hadn't settled on which mark to use but from my limited testing I've been leaning towards 7. Any reason for 9 in particular?

[atomic zephyr]

combos are great

[umbral garnet]

We are spoiled as vets. VoC, power swords, and insane damage potential with those ranged weapons like plasma and whatnot

[cunning haven]

i have the mark 1 shovel. i haven't upgraded it but its pretty decent. ill look into the other melee weapons too, but i haven't felt the need to use them so much. im playing mainly difficulty 3-4

[atomic zephyr]

cycle H1 and special on single target

lights in horde

chews through it real good

[wind spoke]

mmm, will have to test with the special in the rotation on single target, hadn't done that. thanks for the suggestion!

[verbal burrow]

I remember having that at one point in my life. It wasn't much, but it was a long stick, and I could swing it horizontally, and that was enough at the start

[umbral garnet]

I see. Well, I understand your reasoning. If you ever consider higher difficulty, however, melee become almost bread and butter, fair warning. In this case, MK1 shovel is serviceable.

[cunning haven]

so which would you drop?

• competitive urge
• rending
• killzone
• focus target

[narrow frost]

tee hee

[umbral garnet]

Also, deadshot on a weight of fire Helbore? I think you could spare that talent point for something else like exhilarating takedown for that toughness regen on WP kills.

[strange crow]

For every Krieg shovel joke made the writers of the Imperial Armour book cry out in pain

[atomic zephyr]

real

[umbral garnet]

Oh, I just noticed too, if you want this helbore to be support heavy, born leader is great to let teammates get toughness from you.

For instance, with that exhilarating takedown, each time that procs, your mates get 15 percent of what you get.

[cunning haven]

i would think i have to be shooting while close to them and it's 15% of 15% which is pretty small compared to covering fire which is 15% flat and i can be anywhere

[junior needle]

Crit damage
Every day we stray further from the Emperors light

[narrow frost]

did someone call for a crit?

[umbral garnet]

Trust me, covering fire is not worth it.

[cunning haven]

ok

[junior needle]

iirc it's centered around the dying enemy

[umbral garnet]

Sounds nice on paper until you realise just how messy it gets really fast and your teammates just will not benefit when it happens to one person while the other two still have to fight for their lives.

Hell, ogryns and zealots have such incredible melee toughness regen they manage fine by themselves.

[junior needle]

Even if they're getting hit, which is largely avoidable

[umbral garnet]

It's your job as a vet to kill those bastard gunners and trappers running closer and bombers and blah blah blah

[cunning haven]

i see. i dont know much about the other classes so i imagined they would like some help

[junior needle]

It's much less help in practice than people generally think at first glance

[umbral garnet]

Psyker and vet (most times) are the two who don't excel. Unless the vet has VoC and a power sword.

Then they're invincible.

[junior needle]

It'll be the most help for newer players who shoot into chaffe (that their teammates are already clearing) regularly and have teammates who don't know how to melee properly

But falls off drastically with competency and higher difficulty

[cunning haven]

haha that is me 😅 but i do want to play high difficulty eventually

[junior needle]

Overshout is the best thing to take without question if you want to improve team survivability

[umbral garnet]

One second, lemme use that build editor to make one I think would work great for the helbore and shovel you wanna use

[cunning haven]

thanks, i kinda like the shovel but i haven't really experimented much with melee weapons. the few ive tried felt worse than the shovel. i mainly just want the melee weapon for clearing the weaklings when i run out of grenades. bayonet is great for single targets and i just used charged shots for carapice

[umbral garnet]

Hope this worked?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2588d0-15a5-4987-8f4e-697a2e28ede3/helbore-support?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Mix and match for preference there.

But I feel that is a great support build.

It's not a pure support built, it lets you stand your own in melee and still murder at range.

But it still helps a ton.

[cunning haven]

this looks like a lot of fun

[umbral garnet]

Trust me, when you know what you're doing, it feels great.

Learn more about melee, I implore you. Combos, marks, armour types and damage types, dodges, stuns and blocking and pushing well.

When you understand melee, it'll be even better. Shooting mostly remains the same. Point and shoot.

Just hit your target, yeah?

[cunning haven]

i will look into melee more. for combos is there like a simple weapon for me to just spam left click? and do the blessings on melee apply to bayonet at all?

[umbral garnet]

Some used to, but they fixed it. It was broken back then.

For a melee that is simple, look at the sapper shovel mk3. It's light spam (left click spam) is well rounded for horde handling.

And it's special, which you shouldn't worry about too much until you've learned some more, lets you destroy single targets in melee too.

The psykhanium is your best friend.

[strange crow]

Every weapon you’ll need to dodge and sometimes push with, but the catachan Mk6 combat blade is a great light spam weapon for hordes (what you’ll prob be melee-ing)

[umbral garnet]

Fuck around, find out.

[strange crow]

And yes mk3 shovel too

[umbral garnet]

Catchan is good also, yes.

[strange crow]

Mk6 power sword but you also have to power it up

[umbral garnet]

I just tried to stay with the theme of a shovel.

[strange crow]

And power sword is broken rn

[strange crow]

Ahh yeah my b carry on

[umbral garnet]

He will learn of the power sword's strength yet, my friend...

[strange crow]

Once they patch it…

[umbral garnet]

And when he does, he will laugh. He will laugh while he slaugthers.

[umbral garnet]

If they do, it'll be a riot.

[cunning haven]

wait it is better? why dont i just use that then? or is it difficult to use

[umbral garnet]

It's not difficult, persé, but if you are entirely unaware as to how melee works, start with something simpler.

[strange crow]

It’s not difficult, but basically the really good blessing for it is bugged rn and only works sometimes

It also has low mobility so u need to be able to time your dodges a bit better

[trim steppe]

My game was crashing every time I pulled out a bolt pistol. I validated my game files and it fixed it. I quit and came back later and my game crashes every time I pull out a bolt pistol. I guess the emperor doesn't like me using it

[cunning haven]

oh, i dont like that. i just panic dodge 😅

[strange crow]

The emperor protects (the heretics from your holy bolt pistol)

[umbral garnet]

If I had to boil it down, the Mk6 power sword becomes a combo of button presses:
Combo 1: Special button (to power it), and then spam to your heart's content.
Combo 2: Single target murder, push attack and then another left click.

Blessings? Brutal momentum and power cycler.

[sharp epoch]

just go knife build on vet you get a lot of panic dodges and good mobilityh

[umbral garnet]

That too.

Knife is very forgiving.

[strange crow]

Ofc if you like shovel it’s usable too

[cunning haven]

well i have to go now, but i really appreciate you guys taking the time to help me thanks

[umbral garnet]

No worries.

Enjoy, my friend.

Become one of us.

[sharp epoch]

also heavy sword is good if u just need the sword for horde clear

[verbal burrow]

It was beautiful

I just had a 4 guardsmen party

[strange crow]

How’d it go

[verbal burrow]

All of them running the Accatran brrt

The beast of nurgle lived for 5 seconds

The sound of all of them going FWWWAAAAAUUUUWWWW at the same time was peak

[strange crow]

Lol real

[verbal burrow]

fucking thing just started crawling towards us down one narrow corridor and we were like

this timestamp https://youtu.be/67tL3odu440?t=310

I also loved how before the deep vault on archivum sycorax, we were given an ammo crate and 3 large ammo bags

It's like the game knew

[umbral garnet]

AI director dapped you up with that sweet sweet hellfire.

[verbal burrow]

That's a first since the game released tbh

the best part was that given that it's like 16 rounds per second, four of those cut through hordes of the Moebian 21st like scythes through wheat

God I wish Kantraels could reach these heights of meme

[dim saddle]

my boy bennick is good with the ladies i guess lmao

[verbal burrow]

That's actually a thing that happens yeah

[dim saddle]

i was so put off gaurd by it LMAO

[verbal burrow]

You see it all the time with people trying to touch the pope tbh

Prine sees y'all as pilgrims who are in the process of becoming martyrs and thinks it is very wholesome

And frankly given that all of my trinkets are some variant of bones from saints and martyrs, we're not innocent from this stuff either

"This jawbone belonged to a saint"
"I can really feel the +15% corruption resistance bro"

[wind ravine]

Can any other vets rate my gun? Anything I should change

[last parcel]

complete trash scrap for dockets

[wind ravine]

I just realized I cant upload pics here and its because I dont have the red role I believe

[last parcel]

ok but actually though there's a pinned message with a ms word link to an updated vet guide that includes blessings and dump stats for all weapons

[wind ravine]

I see here in the weps that my damage is 79/79 but other recon guns say 70/80 Does that mean I can upgrade those guns to 80 or thats just its roll?

[last parcel]

the other recon is currently rolled to 70 damage and can be upgraded to 80*
*assuming you don’t grt hit by the swedish math bug they’re trying to fix where it randomly reduces the max potential while you’re upgrading

[torn glen]

When you buy a weapon it has a set statistics.
23/80 = it currently has 23 value and goes highest to 80

[torn glen]

In your case that 79/79 can’t be upgraded to 80. You need a new purchased weapon that has 60 / 80 / 80 / 80 / 80 over all.

[wind ravine]

Seems to be two different answers.
I have to roll 80/80 or I can upgrade a white wep to 80

[torn glen]

Same answer spoken differently by 2 different people.

[torn glen]

You have to roll an 80 when you buy the weapon

[wind ravine]

Ok so I cant upgrade to 80. So the gambling system has been condensed to wep stats

[torn glen]

It’s not really a gambling system anymore.

You just buy until you get the correct 60% stat dump. And the rest are 80%

[last parcel]

the second number is the weapon’s max potential. you can upgrade that grey up to that point

[earnest bone]

and its so easy to buy one

i basically crafted 5 different shotguns cuz im lazy to swap, i'l just equip another one instead of changing marks/blessings/perks

[last parcel]

honestly same

[torn glen]

Exactly, so it’s not really a gambling system anymore. I used to spend multiple millions just to get 1 weapon. Now I can spend 10 mil and make perfect weapons for all 5 load out slots

[tribal pelican]

I second that it is incredably cheap and easy to get a perfect stat weapon for almost ever weapon in the game as most just need a 60 in a dump stat

[earnest bone]

and it's not that bad as there's way too many weps and classes to craft for

[torn glen]

Not to mention the weapon marks being free to change between added even less reason to spend money

[earnest bone]

well the system was first and foremost for new or casual players, with hardcore ones being a sidekicks

and its a success i guess

[thick rose]

starting to feel like ill never get enough achievement points for that chest

[torn glen]

Indeed

[earnest bone]

nah, you can just steadily works towards the goal

[torn glen]

You will sah, just keep at it sah.

Honestly 4.5k penance points is nothing. I’m still finishing up some penances and I’m over 5.1k now

[earnest bone]

i think im at 4.8 now

but i didnt do much penances

for ogryn and psyker

Psyker is like 30+5 levels and Ogryns 30+21, so didnt saw much play there

as i was waiting for crafting update

to start creating perfect weapons for them

There's no FOMO effect like with a fckn gacha or F2P crap, so proceed at your own pace

nobody is holding a gun behind your back

[thick rose]

I really dislike achievements and never hunt them but I like those chests.. bloody fatshark boomed me

[earnest bone]

they are a fine way for long term goals i guess, since the game is all about repeatable gameplay sessions

[lucid radish]

He’s dedicated

[tall torrent]

Excluding plasma gun, yes

Plasma gun is still complete gamble if u want perfect roll

[west cave]

how do you get this armor

wanted to ask for a while

[lucid radish]

The commissar outfit? Prolly 13 dollars

[west cave]

dam

[hasty otter]

Its in the premium shop and its off rotation...

[west cave]

dammmm

[lucid radish]

Thats if it in rotation

[hasty otter]

It'll come back... eventually

[real osprey]

any tips on using power sword?
I used to use it when it was busted whenever I didn't feel like thinking too hard, but right now I can't really figure out how to effectively wield the thing

[hasty otter]

[west cave]

I assume there aint a way to grind for that stuff

[hasty otter]

Nope. Only real money.

Might change in the future... but not as of now.

[lucid radish]

Make sure you don’t have to dodge, if you have to. Then you are probably dead

[real osprey]

why's that..?

[hasty otter]

Isnt the PS as brain dead as it was before

Oh right, you need the perk for it to have mutli-swing charge up.

[lucid radish]

Dodge distance and dodge limit is garbage, good hoard clear

[hasty otter]

I mean its still piss easy

[lucid radish]

Just kill everything fast with power cycler

[real osprey]

makes sense
put a funny blessing on it to win

I think I'll keep with my shovel for the most part anyways...

[hasty otter]

People got pissed when the removed the mutli-slash, so they added it back as a blessing

It was dogshit without it, but now its more or less decent

[west cave]

itll change in the grim dark future of the 41st millennium

thats about as long as youd have to wait

[hasty otter]

I mean it feels grim dark right now

so we're not too far off

[frail skiff]

Okay. Brutal Momentum or Sunder for Power sword?

[trim steppe]

Either. BM is better clear and Sunder is better in mixed hordes wtih bulwarks etc

I'm keeping this for when I'm less poor to see if empowering it pushes TR up 1 point

[tall torrent]

It’ll prob be fine

I wish I was half as lucky as u lol

[trim steppe]

I regret to report that I've also seen 6 perfect Crushers in my shop rotations.

I poured one out for you each time 🫡

[wind ravine]

Is there a guide on how to make a perfect wep? I guess I still don't fully understand it and I think reading about how you guys make them will help

[long kraken]

kantrael still stinky

[trim steppe]

Most weapons have a dump stat that you don't really care much about, usually Mobility or Defences. Browse the hourly shop or purchase mystery weapons at Brunt's Armory until you find one whose potential stats (the second number in the brackets) is 80 in 4 stats and 59-61 in the dump stat. Buy it and take it to Hadron. You can consecrate it to change its color up to Orange, which gives it 2 perks and 2 blessings. You can also empower it which pushes all of its stats up towards those potential numbers you saw earlier. You can only empower a weapon so far until you unlock enough mastery for it. You get mastery by playing games with that type of weapon equipped. Mastery also unlocks more and better perks and blessings which you can apply to your weapon (and change as much as you want) at Hadron.

[broken gazelle]

Is someone slandering my beloved kantrael?

[earnest bone]

Me laughning in my double barrel:

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shotgun-kill-yeet-gif-23581385

[broken gazelle]

I love shotguns/ double barrel in games normally
But in Darktide I feel like I need more range

Though I imagine with weapon specialist the auto reloading talent might make double barrel fun.

[earnest bone]

Yeah, its immensely fun, you can nonstop swap back and worth

and also use agile engagement to full potential

[broken gazelle]

Swing boom swing boom

[earnest bone]

so its 25% melee/ranged boost

on top of that

• manstopper is funny

and for 100% critrate on swap

you need to kill 3 targets in melee

basically one swing on rashad or something

depends on melee tho

[tall torrent]

after U&L update, both boltgun & boltpistol now see minimal ADS sway increase under suppression
they no longer need suppression immunity to return fire accurately

[earnest bone]

they said they are gonna improve them further and this is just bandaid

we'l see

in 2026*

[carmine ermine]

any good boltgun builds for vet? Newish player looking for something to check out

[west cave]

would it be accurate to say bolters perform worse on lower difficulties?

bcs theres plenty of buffs that work only if you kill elites

[broken gazelle]

I tried bolter and hated it
Powerful but takes 69 years to reload/swap to.

[thorny gorge]

should i buy

[pseudo fiber]

You can
Usually collateral or mobility is a better dump stat however

[thorny gorge]

isnt the recon las rather stable either way?

[pseudo fiber]

It's good enough

[thorny gorge]

i just dont wanna pass up 4 80s lmao

plus i got the sights mod

[pseudo fiber]

I mean it's not super hard to get 4 80s now but again you can grab it it'll perform well

[thorny gorge]

is mobi a universal dump stat?

[pseudo fiber]

Pretty much

[thorn lark]

yes, i confirm

it never has been since patch 13

combat axe is overtuned especially rashad

chword has probably the best horde clear in the entire game

and you really want to lean on crits

with a vet there's so much stuff to do

weapon specialist with rashad brutal momentum headatker

and zarone surgical handcannon

[carmine ermine]

chain sword?

[thorn lark]

and take the talent that gives you ammo back on kill

[thorn lark]

yeah

[carmine ermine]

is there are mark thats good for it? i havent looked into it much

assault chainsword or the other one?

[thorn lark]

i am note talking about elite or armored guy killing

the x13 needs wrath to proce rampage

so you could go shred wrath or rampage wrath

investing in the right tree is a good idea too, with reciprocity and desperado

the mk4 you go rampage shred/savave sweep

that's a good base

the rashad is probably better for the vet, antax si a bit slower

combat axe really wants unarmored too

i don't think you need maniac

change infested to unarmored, flak can stays or be replaced with elite/carapace/unyielding

also https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

oh, bad maniac dmg right?

if so, yeah, keep it

but change flak to unarmored, the oneshot bp is harder to get than flak

for bruisers

pox are oneshotted

like always

bruisers have a higher number of hp

scab has unarmored head, and dreg has flak head, it's the pot helmet guy

nah keep the combat axe

you'll need it for armored targets

you can not always rely on nades to do the job

the combat axe is very good at everything

also, the kant lasgun... if that was the mk12 before, is not the best anymore

people have moved to 1a

at lot has changed 😄

[broken gazelle]

Chain swords are cool
But I don't like how they perform in Darktide

There's basically no gatcha any more I'd say

[thorn lark]

well now you can build whatever you want

as long as you have masteries

and it's not that hard

[broken gazelle]

Yea. Reblessing is infinite now, (with a small money cost).

I don't really pay attention to player numbers
As long as I can easily match with a team of 4 it's all good.

[thorn lark]

hmmm

[last parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1290782105717968906/bZMQ0nx.png?ex=66fdb603&is=66fc6483&hm=1173ba41f557555ecb129b1c143e574b984fb522e2bfdb29ebdc53f59f429b3f&

it got renamed to VII

[thorn lark]

oh thanks bake

[broken gazelle]

I use the IX myself.

(formerly XII)

[thorn lark]

tbh you can still use it

i have used bolter before the nerf, after the nerf, and now after the fix

if you like a weapon, use it

[pseudo fiber]

Except the shredder autopistol

[thorn lark]

rip

[broken gazelle]

I like slow rate of fire, high damage
And IX is the only one that really fits that fantasy

[thorn lark]

but it was king for a year....

helbore

i mean helsnore

[broken gazelle]

I tried helbore and for some reason I just can't hit anything with it.

[thorn lark]

have you tried to put a crosshair with a mod?

i just cannot play some guns without that

[broken gazelle]

Maybe it's the sights
Or the charge mechanic
Or I'm just too used to the Kantrael sights

[thorn lark]

you could use it with the weapon custom mod

[scenic merlin]

what is the combat shotgun dump stat?

[thorn lark]

but yah the charge mecanic...

[broken gazelle]

Oh it has a loong swap time too

[thorn lark]

i never felt a diff between low and high stab tbh

[scenic merlin]

nice there was a god roll in vendor

[thorn lark]

and mobility,,,, it depends if you're moving with your melee or range

[broken gazelle]

I maxed my infantry mastery though
So I'm working on Revolver mastery now

[thorn lark]

i think i am around the 3/4 mark

[smoky sparrow]

so what do yall use with the dueling sword?
i feel like i should be using something that can hordeclear a lil bit, but so far i cant stop using the revolver

[pseudo fiber]

I use it with a bolt pistol grenade build

[grand perch]

Reject revolver

[smoky sparrow]

NEVER

i love my officer larp

[thorn lark]

bolter or assault db shotgun

[smoky sparrow]

oh yeah imma try the db, im already running WS

thx!

[west cave]

theres a perk that significantly decreases reload time if you kill an elite

and bolter is best against elites and non-boss giants

and at high difficulties you get like 6-packs of shotgunners and an ogryn in every other room

[broken gazelle]

I can see that working in that case

[west cave]

ye you cant go back to running bolter without it basically, and its at the very top of the perk tree

try it out

[broken gazelle]

Maybe one day I'll get gud and move up to Heresy or above

[west cave]

and also theres a flat reload time decrease not far from it

[pseudo fiber]

Give it time you'll be there in no time

[broken gazelle]

I've been playing since Day 1 though.

[west cave]

I started running max difficulty the second I unlocked it and never looked back

[pseudo fiber]

Oh well what's holding you back do you think?

[broken gazelle]

Probably confidence
And skill

[west cave]

kinda the same as in other horde shooters like helldivers or deep rock, its a steep curve but you get used to it quick

[broken gazelle]

I mean I found Malice hard for a long time
But it's almost relaxing now.

[west cave]

haz5 in deep rock is a very good example, its twice as hard as haz4 but you need only 3-4 runs to fully adapt

[pseudo fiber]

Well wouldn't that eventually be true for damnation?

The only way to get used to it is to push yourself

[west cave]

ye

you get used to it fast

very fast

theres just a higher percentage of elites which

again

for some weapons is a boon

[broken gazelle]

I'd probably adapt if I dipped my toes in

[west cave]

bolts and plasma arent that hot on lower difficulties from experience bcs of lack of elites

maybe on 1 they are cuz everything is on 1

but its like

how do I put this

[broken gazelle]

I guess I also worry that weapons I enjoy will be useless on high diff

[west cave]

theres a much larger gap in power compared to lower difficulties

[pseudo fiber]

No weapon is useless on high difficulty
(Except shredder autopistol)
Genuinely all of them can perform well

[west cave]

that too

its just that bolter and plasma truly shine there

[broken gazelle]

My go-to is Shovel & infantry Lasgun
(But currently levelling shock maul and revolver)

[west cave]

also krieg lasgun is neat

^

tho that doesnt mean a person has to stick to one playstyle, they can like multiple and not know it until they try stuff out

[pseudo fiber]

I'm more joking but the autopistol is the only weapon I'd fully class as "Bad"
Numerically I mean. The autopistol has really really bad maniac damage. Which in high difficulties there are lots of.

[west cave]

autopistol lacks a niche

less buffing more tweaking

[broken gazelle]

Yea Ragers are bad enough on Malice
I can't imagine dealing with them on heresy+

[flat crypt]

It's not bad, it's a non-lethal crowd control tool x)

[pseudo fiber]

Dodge backwards and use your push attack to stagger you'll be good
As mentioned shovel is good
(Alt attack with the mk1 (old standard issue) and use the folding attack on the other two to deal with ragers)

[west cave]

maybe increase its reload speed and reserve amount so you can just shoot it basically nonstop

and leave the ammo for the team

[broken gazelle]

Shock mace can tase them for a while
But when they come in packs of 3+ it doesn't help much.

[west cave]

what if it dealt more damage per shot based on how many different enemies you hit within one clip or smth

that could be fun

as a perk

so its a crowd control weapon that discourages blind spraying

[broken gazelle]

I am loving the revolver right now
But the low ammo pool does make me reluctant to use it on basic shooter troops

[pseudo fiber]

Don't do that yeah

You can kill a shooter if they're like annoying you

[broken gazelle]

I noticed I spend 90% of my time in melee
So I tailored my talents around thst

[oblique totem]

To shreds, you say?

[broken gazelle]

What I really want is... A bigger shovel

[dire olive]

Thundershovel

[thorny gorge]

cooked this up

[broken gazelle]

Nice necklace

Shovellin' time.

[thorny gorge]

[fiery plinth]

Oi @slow sky is the marksman ability bad for bolt pistol?

[slow sky]

i have literally not used executioners stance since like 7 months before bolt pistol even was added to the game

[lone sierra]

which stats are the least important
and which one is more important?

[slow sky]

idk lmao

[stuck gorge]

Mobility is usually the go to dump stat

[fiery plinth]

And what about the left most keystone

[dire olive]

Bad

[slow sky]

i assume this is knife based on the stats
all of these affect damage in different ways except mobility, and mobility already has its most potent effect at max potential at 51% on basically every weapon

[slow sky]

i hate it with every cell in my body

[lone sierra]

got it ty all

[dire olive]

Left keystone wants something more spammy/consistent than a bolt weapon

[slow sky]

i am a weapon specialist GAMER

and will never play vet without it

[dire olive]

An IAG, a (whatever they renamed headhunters to), a las pistol etc

[stuck gorge]

Vigilant something for headhunters iirc

[fiery plinth]

Vigilant autogun

I think

[broken gazelle]

I was a Focus enjoyer until I discovered the joy of weapon specialist

[slow sky]

RAAAAAH WEAPON SPECIALIST MANSTOPPER DOUBLE BARREL RAAAAAHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/enricopucci-happy-happy-enrico-pucci-jojo-made-in-heaven-jojo-gif-26801198

[broken gazelle]

Pew pew

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-doom-slayer-gif-25844921

[grand creek]

ok this looks fun as hell i was wondering what i wanna play as my second class
SOLD

[broken gazelle]

I love shotgunnng but I feel so helpless when a sniper appears.

[slow sky]

best keystone in the game

[topaz lance]

the effective range of the db is surprisingly far for countersniping if you use run and gun and exe stance

[slow sky]

see
that game that video is from
i queued into it with this build on purpose cuz it was a sniper wave maelstrom

[fiery plinth]

Ehh. Personally I don’t switch them up often

[fiery plinth]

Hhh… idk I guess I wasn’t as conditioned much to utilize my keystones for vet that well

No guarantees but I’ll try to utilize weapons specialist

Any good way for me to do that?

[broken gazelle]

I am a weapon specialist convert ❤️

[slow sky]

using it with a weapon with very low ammo capacity is great, cuz the node below it completely removes any need for reloading realistically

which is why i use it with double barrel, 1 melee kill is 1 shell reloaded cuz the 3.3% rounds up

[fiery plinth]

Is it god with bolt pistol?

[slow sky]

it also works great cuz manstopper is infinite cleave on crit, and you get 33% crit chance with each stack for your first shot

ive not played with it on bolt pistol, so i would have no idea, but the maximum reload is up to 33% of the mag

i think BP is 10 shots?

[fiery plinth]

So about 3

[slow sky]

so at most 4 shots reload

[fiery plinth]

It’s 8

[slow sky]

oh ok

it also gives you a decent chunk of melee speed and dodge buffs for a decent duration after a gun kill

[fiery plinth]

It only gives 1…

[slow sky]

1 what

[fiery plinth]

Bullet

[slow sky]

if you only got one kill, yes

because 3.3% rounds up to the 1 bullet

its 3.3% per stack

up to 10 stacks

[broken gazelle]

I found I only get 1 shot back no matter how many stacks I have with the revolver

[slow sky]

you should get two with at least 8 stacks

[fiery plinth]

Nvm it’s 3

[broken gazelle]

oh, so you need at least 8 stacks to get more than one.

[slow sky]

oh wait no im dumb

im really tired

7 stacks

[broken gazelle]

not too bad.

[slow sky]

1 bullet is 20% of the revolvers mag

anything below 20% will round up to that

at 7 stacks, you reload 23.1% of the mag

which rounds up to 40%, two bullets

[broken gazelle]

how many stacks per shot for the double barrel?

[slow sky]

there are only 2 shots in the mag for db

you can only ever reload 1

[forest maple]

What are you guys running on your recons Vld's? I just cant decide what is better, but i think i'm close. Flak+ crit chance and dum dum + infernus seems to be the go-to for non-onslaught gameplay and unyielding + crit chance and headhunter + infernus for onslaught.

[slow sky]

but that means 1 kill at 3.3% of the mag rounds up to 50% for one shell

[fiery plinth]

It didn’t make me much of a concert but

Convert*

It works well enough

Hhh still. I can’t figure it out well enough

My brain isn’t wired to alternate between them well

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/canddy-gif-27354515

[slow sky]

Then again I am already familiar with it cuz I used autoloading weapons in destiny 2 for both general use and dps rotations so it's not new to me

[graceful cypress]

I run headhunter, dumdum. I don't think infernus is all that good when I can just shoot and kill them, even for an unyielding boss killer.

With flak, unyielding

[lavish solar]

I personally find mk6d have pretty good dps on everything barring carapace (which isn’t what it’s for anyways) so rn I’m using unyielding+crit chance, headhunter and infernus

[fiery plinth]

Yeah that is not good for me

[lavish solar]

Probably not min maxed but it’s really fun

[graceful cypress]

Because with infernus the burn damage isn't really that much if you just shoot them with dumdum instead. I think infernus needs a buff.

[lavish solar]

Fair enough, in practice you basically either dump enough shots into something that they’re dead before infernus does a whole lot or shoot for a bit then turn away preying that you have enough stacks to burn it to death

[graceful cypress]

I think an interesting buff would be that you don't consume ammo while shooting an on fire target or maybe that enemies that are on fire also get slowed or take increased damage in general

[forest maple]

You guys underestimate infernus. Its not as bad as you are saying. It does pull its own weight and does good enough damage, spread to multiple targets

[graceful cypress]

Because we get staggered/slowed by fire. So I think it would make sense that enemies get cc'd too

[earnest bone]

Depends on melee weapon:
You can run Flak + Maniac + Dumdum + Deathspitter OR Headhunter

You can run Elites or 5% crit chance + Unyelding with Dumdum + Infernus for Bulwarks/Reapers and Bosses.
Also it depends if you will run Onslaught or not.

Rn im running 2nd to obliterate bosses and bulwarks, while my melee handles everything else

[lavish solar]

I mean I use it so I do believe it’s not THAT bad but honestly I don’t think it’s super strong for human-sized targets either

[graceful cypress]

I don't think it's that bad, just outclassed by the other two perks

[lavish solar]

Dps-wise dum dum probably is better

[earnest bone]

Dumdum is the core

2nd slot is flexible

[forest maple]

^

[graceful cypress]

Yeah absolutely, free damage

[forest maple]

I also dont really play with onslaught and i pair my recon with a crusher/elite killing powersword

[lavish solar]

Also any build recommendations for mk7a? Been using dum dum and deathspitter and kinda liking it so far but I keep feeling not taking headhunter is a bit of a missed opportunity

[earnest bone]

decide what you want or what you'l do with it

[graceful cypress]

My load out I usually use is mk5 columnus and sapper shovel. I have been using bolt pistol and duelling sword lately though

It's fun

Bolt pistol is not that bad as on release, it can actually kill in 1-2 shots now

[earnest bone]

231k boss damage is comparable to THammer zealot

[chilly jewel]

anyone know the recommended dump stat for the plasma gun?

[forest maple]

people say to go 70% charge rate and 70% heat resistance

otherwise, go 60% charge rate if you cant find that specific one

[chilly jewel]

ive got 60 ammo and 80 everything else on the plasma i found

[lavish solar]

I’ve heard people talk about ammo but personally I don’t think there’s any single dump stat for it, the one Ive been using so far has damage and stopping power maxed out and kinda 70ish on the other 3

[forest maple]

Ammo is a stat you want 80%

[chilly jewel]

ahh i see

[forest maple]

you want 70% heat resistance because it lets you shoot once more at 95% heat level, supposedly

and then the other stat to have lower is charge rate and if you get 70% resistance, next one is to have 70% on charge rate but it is really, REALLY hard to find a 70/70% split on the 2 stats you want

so i suggest going with a 60% Charge rate dump plasma gun forn ow

[spark helm]

I prefer balanced stats over the 80s. Most weapons i use don't feel made and broken by it buts it's nice to have the 80s anyway

[lavish solar]

That might mess with the handling a tiny bit but yeah I agree

[forest maple]

Thats fair, but having 80% on key stats and 60% on the dump stat (mobility mostly) is optimal

[forest maple]

its about 10% fire rate from 60 to 80

i think

[fiery plinth]

Hold the front door since when did falter increase ranged stagger strength?!

[forest maple]

might be a new addition not sure

havent really used falter

[cunning haven]

hi, quick question. is it possible to out regen the stamina loss on deadshot?

[forest maple]

maybe if you take duck and dive and constantly dodge shots ?

[cunning haven]

i was wondering if i took like tunnel vision and full stamina curios if it would be enough for infinite deadshot

[forest maple]

Maybe it can be done with the single shot vigilant autogun

if you are good enough to pop heads fast enough

i dont really see it being infinite or topped up with full auto weapons

[cunning haven]

i am using a helbore

dont have any curios to test it with, but tunnel vision by itself isnt enough

[forest maple]

by curios, you mean full set of 12% stamina regeneration?

cause +3 stam wont really help

if you cant keep it up without it

[cunning haven]

yes, with the +3 stam

[forest maple]

if you run out with 4 blocks of stamina etc, you will run out with 7 aswell

i think when you spend stamina, the regeneration stops

so only tunnel vision can give you stamina while shooting

[lavish solar]

Wait what is tunnel vision

[forest maple]

passive regen wont

[forest maple]

marksman focus right node

[lavish solar]

Ahh okay, thanks

Actually maybe try something like ghost paired with the give stamina when dodging incoming fire node, that has a chance of working if enough stuff is shooting at you and if you keep clicking heads

Unfortunately I don’t think helbore has that blessing

[forest maple]

ye, he can only really use duck and dive and tunnel vision

[cunning haven]

ok, so correct me if i am wrong. i am looking at the description. deadshot consume 0.75 stam every second and 0.25 every shot. im guessing this is fixed amount and not a percentage? if that is the case then the 10% stam recovery with +3 curios will be much more than the 10% stam recovery without it. so the stam regen wont help because the regen stops when in deadshot, but the +3 curios could help? if 0.75 is a percentage then +3 curio will make it worse

[tidal rapids]

This is, indeed, a skin

[lavish solar]

It’s not a percentage I think

[forest maple]

i think deadshot used to be percentage and now its flat i think

so 0.75 + 0.25 is 1 block of stamina total

so you realistically use 1 block of stamina for each shot

[cunning haven]

damn, i hope someone here could test it for me cuz i want infinite deadshot. it'll be funny

[forest maple]

with hellbore

[cunning haven]

probably still wont be enough but if it is that'll be hilarious

[forest maple]

so yea, maybe with more stamina you get more back cause its a flat 10% percentage

you might be cooking

find a +3 stam and report back

i still dont think its really feasible in moment to moment gameplay

[cunning haven]

i am a peasant. i would need 3 maxed out curios with stamina wouldnt i?

[lavish solar]

I can try it out in like an hour

[forest maple]

ahahah that sounds TERRIBLE

3 , x3 stamina curios

you are literal paper

[cunning haven]

yay, thanks

[lavish solar]

if you don’t mind waiting a bit

np my man

[lavish solar]

I remember seeing someone doing 3 stamina curios with a Columnus

Absolute gigachad

[forest maple]

stamina for days

[lavish solar]

Wait its Vraks now I think

The iag

[forest maple]

you can also get +2 stamina on weapon perks

go even further

+11 stamina

[lavish solar]

True

[broken gazelle]

I noticed I have On Overwatch already.
Wasn't even trying for it

[heavy rover]

I've done a regular infantry lasgun build with deadshot and tunnel vision before. not necessarily infinite deadshot, but it does last for a very long time. especially if you've got +3 stamina curios equipped

[cunning haven]

maybe it becomes infinite if you +2 on the gun?

im very keen to try it out

[lavish solar]

infinite deadshot kinda depends on how fast you can headshot stuff I think

So if there’s enough stuff for you to hit the extra +2 might not even be necessary

[slow spade]

Leave a shooter alive for the Duck and Cover stamina regen UwU

[cunning haven]

actually sounds like a plan, personally i dont wanna play like that for some reason. but id love to see a video of that

[placid belfry]

are we in agreeance that the double barrel is raw unfiltered ass

[tawny badger]

ok I'm probably missing something here because why does the heavy sword (mk 9) feel like ass

[cunning haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe961rc2xCc

i found a video for the deadshot thing. not using a helbore but damn, this is funny

[tawny badger]

"zero range damage" autopistol moment

[slow spade]

15 cleave shotgun that kills mutants and maulers in 2 shots?

[pseudo fiber]

Have you got deathblow on it?

[slow spade]

Bruh

It even has minimum pellets that lets you snipe snipers and gunners reliably

[tame lodge]

If that's a compliment then yes

[tawny badger]

❌

[tough flower]

Extremely hot take tbh

[lavish solar]

Just tried, it’s absolutely possible to do infinite deadshot provided you have enough stuff to shoot at

[pseudo fiber]

Put dreathblow on it then my man it's brutal momentum but a different name

[cunning haven]

thanks for confirming

this is splendid news

[lavish solar]

np, not sure how good it’ll be in actual game but is theoretically doable

You may have to resort to shooting into hoards to keep your stamina up at times tho

[cunning haven]

i do enjoy thining out the horde when i have nothing else to shoot at

did you use all +3 curios with the +2 on the gun?

[tawny badger]

society if no dreg rager

https://tenor.com/view/society-if-gif-22696824

[lucid dune]

whats the dump stat on the plasma gun?

[somber axle]

Charge Rate kinda

Damage/Stopping Power are most important for breakpoints and you need 68% or 69% thermal resist to get an extra shot before heat cap

[lucid dune]

great, i had one with 80 in everything except charge rate

[somber axle]

Sounds perfect then

I think someone said it has a very tiny unnoticeable change on uncharged shot speed but it's like 0.07 between 60% and 80% so it's meaningless if you mainly spam uncharged shots

[lucid dune]

i see, thanks

[somber axle]

Welcomes!

[hidden linden]

hey gents, would you settle on this or keep rerolling?

[lucid dune]

incredible

[broken gazelle]

nice damage

[split grove]

so after the infantry autogun what other guns do i try out

[idle swallow]

tanner has blessed this weapon praise be

[split grove]

i have revolver and infantry autogun

[tawny badger]

Just try what you want

[velvet estuary]

Veterans rule really

[undone ravine]

I thoroughly enjoy using it in zealot in the same way one uses the z revolver, since zealot focus on alot of melee range engagement

[grim ice]

How do people feel about the combat axe

currently grinding it for mastery and unsure how to build it or what mark to use

[topaz lance]

This is a broken weapon

Rashad is busted

does everything

[idle swallow]

Rashad is the standard and is easy to use, just swing at heads and win

[grim ice]

I just finished the tactical axe and got used to the heavy swings /

[tawny badger]

nurgle looking at the remains of mortarion after he fought a rashad user

[grim ice]

whats good for blessings, headhunter and thunderous?

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/no-score-judging-zero-gif-13779921

[tawny badger]

brunt did NOT cook with this

[topaz lance]

This is all you need, Rashad is literally braindead. I love it though and I think they'll never nerf it since it's under a lot of peoples radar.

[grim ice]

My favs are the mk 6 combat blade and m3 shock maul, been fun branching out to grind masteries

[hasty otter]

They probably wouldnt nerf the rashad.

[earnest bone]

It has subpar damage against elites and bosses, they wont touch it

[hasty otter]

I mean the dueling sword is on vet now

[grim ice]

I know the dueling sword is broken, but I want to try the heavy sword out

[earnest bone]

compared to knife or ds4

or w/e

[topaz lance]

I mean subpar when compared to literally broken weapons sure. I can kill a gunner in a light attack with full headtaker stacks

it's easy.

[slow spade]

"Subpar damage vs elites"

[hasty otter]

Heavy sword is good according to some people. I personally am not a fan of its movelist.

[topaz lance]

Crusher 3-4 heavies

[slow spade]

It kills elites in 1-2 hits though lol

[earnest bone]

DS4 literally 2 hits for crusher

or one

if zealot

[slow spade]

So the same

Boss damage is pain though

[earnest bone]

HS weaknesses are kinda big

those are 0 carapace and 0 unyelding damage

basically

but for others

its a meatgrinder

[slow spade]

It does have a rending blessing but eh

[earnest bone]

its not something HS would want to, activations for it is meh

as well as usage

it would be different if there was uncanny

[hasty otter]

People say the mk9 is good. Though i am not too sure about that

[slow spade]

Indeed, a shame its annoying to use

[hasty otter]

I will personally build one out for it since i have dockets to spare

[slow spade]

Mk9? Like the lasgun?

[hasty otter]

HS

[earnest bone]

MK9 for antihorde heavies/mk6 for better antielite-solotarget

short version

[pseudo fiber]

You can run with that
I'd you feel it isn't stable enough you could always get another.

[slow spade]

Oh sorry, wasn't familiar with HS marks

[earnest bone]

cant say anything about 7

never used it

[hasty otter]

i didnt like the mk7. Kinda awful.

[earnest bone]

i think it has a gimmick that where with chastise you can oneshot 5 ragers with horizontal strike immediately

but i could be mistaken and thats for zealot only (we are here talking about vet)

[hasty otter]

niche.

well at least mks are swappable

i'll just make the mk9 and pop on over to check out the mk7 just to see

Such a good update.

[earnest bone]

if you get text bug

with N/A everywhere

close the game

Swapping weapon marks for X weapons trigger it for me

but some weps are fine

[sour elbow]

I find it's a blender for the weaker stuff, and the special attack seems to be good for smacking things. It almost feels like a beefier shovel.

It's a fantastic pairing with the plasma gun and other "I will pay you X shots to f%^k off" weapons designed for the heavily armoured foes.

[hasty otter]

Catachan swords need some love.

I might be a psycho and start bringing them

[brittle furnace]

Any auric viable builds that make use of exec stance and or marksman keystone

[topaz lance]

Columnus iag

can't be bothered to look up the new name

[slow spade]

Vraks mk5

[brittle furnace]

Really??

[slow spade]

Don't get hit

[brittle furnace]

That's what I use for my current build

Easy then lol

What blessings

[slow spade]

You can use Out For Blood to get toughness from ranged kills

[sour elbow]

Their attacks are arse but their special ability is borderline broken

[vestal widget]

dumdum + fire frenzy/deathspitter/that reload one/stripped down if you're doing a meme on ciag

[sour elbow]

The parry works on ANYTHING, does big damage and stagger

[topaz lance]

dumdum deathspitter

[brittle furnace]

Wow alright so I don't even need to swap anything

Thanks yall

[sour elbow]

So attack spammers like ragers or fleshbags? Catachan swords make them 'lol' tier.

I just took the mk9 heavy sword for a spin. If you do the special attack, your heavy attack becomes an overhead

So you smack someone, they get staggered and then you follow up with an overhead heavy attack

[slow spade]

Be aware you can parry multiple attacks now

So watch your stamina

[vestal widget]

it's resetting back to the initial heavy attack (h1), you can also block cancel to just loop the h1 if you need to kill a bunch of mutants or smth

[sour elbow]

Really wish the powersword and catachans did a bit more damage normally. I know, I know, the selling point is the special attack, it just ruins the weapon feel.

[earnest bone]

You can also block cancel

into heavy vertical

[sour elbow]

I'm terrible at that sort of thing, so practically no I can't. :p

[earnest bone]

works great with Mutants running one by one at you

[harsh merlin]

I just came back to this game and I am completely lost lol, anybody got a build for recon lasgun/revolver?

[sour elbow]

if in doubt left tree and iirc recon lasguns want low collateral because then they don't stagger as much, so you can full auto the face more easily.

[tame lodge]

Agripina IAG
Vraks 7 or whatever the new vigilant name, the semi

[harsh merlin]

Alright

[strange crow]

Here’s the build I stole of gameslantern for recon lasgun: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bcd40b8-2436-4650-86f7-66476ddd4e93/shadowstrike-veteran-shredder-frag-grenade-infiltrate-no-keystone-auric-ready

[vestal widget]

keep their heads down is kind of bad because it makes you miss headshots when they cower

[strange crow]

Ah ty

[undone ravine]

This is my build, with the blessing that increases crit chance per weakspot hit, and using shockmaul

[vestal widget]

i'd probably take close order drill/confirmed kill if you play damnation/auric since you'll get your share of elite/special kills

out for blood right hand tree provides more consistent toughness regen under pressure

[strange crow]

Ok cool yeah I was thinking I’d want those two anyways

[distant umbra]

shouldn’t you get longshot instead of the reload perk?

[vestal widget]

longshot is bad now that they raised close range to 15m

[distant umbra]

oh really

i did not know that

[vestal widget]

it means the damage only starts scaling from there, whcih means you only get a substantial bonus for really long range shots

might be okay if you just need 10-20 more damage to hit a breakpoint on a one-shot weapon or something after you took all the other relevant bonuses, but not great in other cases

[strange crow]

To do so I should prob sack Onlaught and the stam regen node right before it right?

[vestal widget]

i'd replace longshot/exhilarating takedown

onslaught is best on the fastest firing recon (i think th at's still called the 6d)

[undone ravine]

Having the infiltrate ability i rather get close the ranged targets, plus enemies i cant get close to, i use the burn stacks blessings and that usually kills them after a few shots

[strange crow]

Oh wait yeah I’m dumb I forgor

[undone ravine]

Only execption is reapers i guess

But they have fat heads, easy to melt

[split grove]

Which is the better chainsword?

And what's the moveset

[vestal widget]

try replacing determined with iron will, makes you much more tanky and you can kinda brute force suppression anyway by suppressing them with recon's gigantic mag/infiltrate/shooting first

also, consider out for blood over tac reload, the toughness regain on ranged kills and general increased toughess is pretty nice

[vestal widget]

check top pin

[undone ravine]

I know it was a big request back in an earlier patchs, i reqlly wish more weapons had sights like the lasgun, the iron sights are so fat on some weapons that getting headshots is annoying with recoil

[grim moon]

Are combat shotguns any good? How would I build one?

[undone ravine]

In my opinion the shotguns are a parody of the revolver and the autoguns, they do the same things but worse

[earnest bone]

You can use a mod if on PC

and some amazing sights for a Lasgun

[terse idol]

Manstopper is the selling point for shotguns

At least for your 1 of your blessings

The Hacker DB shotgun is best paired with weapon spec
And man stopper for guranteed crits and that cleave

[grim moon]

Interesting @undone ravine @terse idol Is the Hacker the only one thats viable or are the others useable aswell?

[terse idol]

That much I haven't figured out yet 😭

[tame lodge]

Funny Agri sniping

Funny Zarona Horde Shot

Funny Suppressive Fire

[terse idol]

Oh yeah agri and man stopper

[grim moon]

Not looking to be a supermeta build, just thought shotguns usually are fun 🙂

[terse idol]

Oh it's not like super meta, it's just a suggestion

[grim moon]

I understood! 🙂 Which of the combat shotguns would you suggest?

[tawny badger]

zarona shotgun spec shot + manstopper + deadshot

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[tall torrent]

Mk6 and 7

[tawny badger]

they're all good in their own ways, it really depends on what you're going for
agripinaa is great against armored targets w/ it's special shot
while zarona and the other one I forgot the name of are better against hordes

[vestal widget]

agri's advantages over the revolver are that it has enough stagger to stagger a bulwark through shield and that it is totally suppression immune

[tawny badger]

kantrael, that's the name

...actually I think kantrael's pretty good against monstrosities and other big targets

[grim moon]

I see, really thankful for the replies

Im thinking about pairing with a power sword, is that a good idea?

[tawny badger]

ack

The power swords are pretty good so yeah

[vestal widget]

other than that, agri tends to perform worse than revolver. but worse than revolver is most weps in the game; they're viable enough to have fun with.

vet can abuse manstopper and have fun with weapon specialist's guaranteed crit on the shotguns

[grim moon]

Played las pistol and power sword with weapon specialist just just thought it be fun to try something new

Ill try agri with manstopper I think, anything else I need to make sure to include?

[tawny badger]

for talents you may want to work towards ones that increase your ranged crit chance so you keep triggering manstopper

like deadshot on the lower end of left tree

or.. a lot of stuff I don't remember the names of on right tree

[vestal widget]

reciprocity is the on-dodge and weapon spec keystone base gives the guaranteed crit

[lucid dune]

psyker can also abuse manstopper

i went and tried the super shotgun weapon spec and it was awesome wiping a cone in front of me in one shot

[inland orchid]

I love me some weapon spec builds, really makes your weapons shine

[slow spade]

I like ping because whatever I ping dies moments after I ping

"Kill this guy"

[lusty sapphire]

Level 76 staff/force sword psyker tells me and the team to "learn to melee" and "eat shit and die" "we will see" when I tell him he already sucks ass

I pick him up, he dies again 2 minutes later

Leaves

Why are shitheads so confident I will never understand

[inland orchid]

I had a lad leave after getting downed so I was mad confused, the lad proceeded to rejoin the squad to get himself back up

[stuck gorge]

It’s that one opposite of imposter syndrome thing

[west cave]

do guardsmen use bullet-based weapons?

in lore

or is it smth reserved for security and arbites and whatever

[undone ravine]

In my opinion none of the shotguns are viable, the damage is only good on the slowest and shortest range one, all of them have revolver magazine but with more rounds (so it uses more time to fully reload, smaller magazines imo are always better if your loading individual rounds) i only use the agripina every now and then because slug funny

Like if your loading one by one, thats nice for quick reloads for emergency situations, but at that point there are magazine guns that reload fast enough that imo it doesnt matter

[brittle furnace]

on a ranged focused build, for a last point, would you rather take for defence iron will or a flat 25 tgh node

[last parcel]

you always take iron will

[undone ravine]

Whats tgh?

[brittle furnace]

toughness

[undone ravine]

Oh okay i was like "tought game hunter??"

[icy orchid]

Is there some wacky rounding down problem on chainsword damage?

[wind ravine]

Thank you. Also I figured out why I wasnt understanding. I wasnt in game but my wife was and she said she was upgrading but the numbers wherent moving.
She conveniently forgot to tell me or even check out what the empower button did and I didnt see that till today.

Thanks.

[icy orchid]

I'm trying to get a damage dumpstat chainsword and i've gotten 59% instead of the normal 60

[lusty sapphire]

Why tho?

[last parcel]

it’s a problem with every stat and weapon. known issue and happens to rounding up too

[tame lodge]

Weird choice for a dump stat

[icy orchid]

because I rather dump damage before I have to dump mobility on melee weapons

[tame lodge]

Weird choice for a dump stat

Have fun

[icy orchid]

There's VERY few weapons where you need damage stat to hit breakpoints

Plasma, Bolt pistol, Revolver, etc

[tame lodge]

I SAID
HAVE FUN

[undone ravine]

Need big number on da screen

[icy orchid]

Many smol number combined bigga

[lusty sapphire]

And there's very little difference between 51% mobility and 80 as well like if dmg changes digits, mobility changes by decimals lol

[undone ravine]

Little number bad!

[icy orchid]

You want it for dodge distance and dodge limit

[undone ravine]

Theres like a breaking point between 3 doges and 4 yeah? Once thats hit i wouldnt care

[trim steppe]

Yeah at 51%

[icy orchid]

Youz just need more dakka. A big Boom ain't better than more dakka

[lusty sapphire]

51% gives max dodges and dodge distance difference on the chainsword is

.1

[icy orchid]

oh, there's a reason I've never built or played with a chainsword before lol

[lusty sapphire]

With 60% i guess you lose at most a .04

[icy orchid]

..I was gonna make a themed build but with stats like that, I might just stick on the knoife

[trim steppe]

Yeah but what if I need to move .003 more on a dodge but I was dumb and built for damage on my weapon????

[icy orchid]

I thought they buffed chainsword or something, how is it that bad?

[trim steppe]

Chainsword is good, mobility as a stat is just bad 99% of the time once you're above 51%

[lusty sapphire]

It's still ok. Like not knife mobility but it's ok

[trim steppe]

To say it another way, the mobility of the chainsword is good, but the mobility stat is bad

[icy orchid]

I mean maxed mobility knife and max mobility powersword are the only melee weapons in my inventory rn anyways... eh

[lusty sapphire]

I think only a handful of weapons actually benefit meaningfully from mobility

As in even less than dmg breakpoints on weapons

[trim steppe]

Power sword is like the only weapon I want higher mobility on because it's mobility is total ass and I want as much as I can muster

[icy orchid]

I mean...Psword and knife are the only weapons for veteran anyways

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah, that instead of cleave there

@icy orchid you should try the duelling swords

[trim steppe]

Mk4 duelling sword is fun, pointy thing go poke

[tawny badger]

can't go wrong with a good ol chainsword 😋

[icy orchid]

Chainswords are for broke guardsmen who can't afford powerweapons

[tawny badger]

then call me brokeury242 bc I fw the mk 4 chainsword more than either power sword

[real flicker]

where is the best place to look for some vet builds for aurics?

[harsh merlin]

Anybody got a build for double barrel shotgun? it looks like it can do something fun and weird

[topaz lance]

Exe stance and weapon specialist

[harsh merlin]

I am thinking about going for the right tree for the holstered reload

[harsh merlin]

wait fr?

[real flicker]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bcd40b8-2436-4650-86f7-66476ddd4e93/shadowstrike-veteran-shredder-frag-grenade-infiltrate-no-keystone-auric-ready

with this build, on the curios i didnt think the gunner resistance stack?

[harsh merlin]

Is exe stance worth taking for double barrel tho

[lusty sapphire]

Don't do exe stance with double barrel

[topaz lance]

Oh no, I didn't know YOU don't want me to do that so I wont of course

I'll do whatever I want, thank you very much

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ee013-4031-48da-8f18-d4c894e58291/double-barrel

[tame lodge]

Meh

[lusty sapphire]

Not only you don't shoot fast enough for it to boost your dps significantly but you also already oneshot most stuff you shoot at

[last parcel]

yes, do that and your double barrrel build is halfway done

[floral hearth]

meta is a sickness, let people have fun

[lusty sapphire]

I literally have a reload speed exe stance db build. It's just not that good imo

[floral hearth]

fair, good does not have to equal to fun tho

[tame lodge]

Double Barrel isn't meta anyways kek

[topaz lance]

Exe stance reduces the spread significantly, making the db more feasible across longer distances.
I have literally killed snipers that were 35m away

[lusty sapphire]

I mean. The shout + ws kinda is

[topaz lance]

with one shot

[slow spade]

Na Voice of Command and weapon specialist definitely aren't meta and should be buffed 😎

[lusty sapphire]

Stop

Do not the op talents

[floral hearth]

i nearly threw a table before my sarcasm radar kicked in

[slow spade]

Brb restoring +100 yellow toughness VoC

[tame lodge]

"I'm making piss"

[real flicker]

wait where is VLD lasguns now?

[topaz lance]

VoC is the such a boring unfun ability. If someone asks for an interesting build and people suggest VoC I roll my eyes.

[slow spade]

That's the high gothic translation of what we say when shouting

[slow spade]

Power sword + plasma + VoC for a unique build UwU

[tame lodge]

Name changed
Buy a recon get three
Just change the mark on your inventory

[real flicker]

Is it VLc now?

[lusty sapphire]

What if I told you, field medic. No piss toughness, just res. All the support talents

[tawny badger]

recon lasgun VIc + executioner’s stance

[last parcel]

xii

[real flicker]

Ty

are lasguns still bad?

[tame lodge]

Recons? Not really
Infantry? On a weird spot rn

[real flicker]

ahh ok, do you have any idea what the dumpstat is for the recons?

[tame lodge]

Collateral then stability

[last parcel]

there's a pinned message with a ms word link to an updated vet guide that includes blessings and dump stats for all weapons
it doesn't have builds yet but is planned to have some later

[real flicker]

thank you!

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg this one?

[mighty cedar]

is there a in depth guide about the veteran ( like the ogrynomicon off the veteran)

[blissful cliff]

Check the pins, there’s a link to an updated MS vet guide

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

where my lacerate knife fans out there? 😤

[tawdry jackal]

It’s so hard to get a perfect plasma gun based on this guide

Starting to accept imperfect guns in the interim

Probably should have done that from the start but like what’s 1 or 2% off the ideal doing for me usually?

[slow spade]

Lol apparently that Rolling Steel Maelstrom really was just a free ASS

[dawn garnet]

theres a rolling steel maelstrom

[slow spade]

I wonder how many people got the ASS title from the rolling steel maelstrom

[dawn garnet]

congrats btw

is it still up?

[slow spade]

Sadly wasn't mine

[tame lodge]

There's a maelstrom

[slow spade]

But someone I talk to had the funny experience of finding this

And its just a normal ass Rolling Steel Damnation

[tame lodge]

Yeah I don't see modifiers

Lmao

[slow spade]

And it counts

He's been trying to get ASS for a while

Easy clap

[sullen scarab]

Is Shattering Impact good on the Bolter? I remember everyone saying it wasn't really worth it, but now when searching this discord a ton of people are saying to take it now lol

[dawn garnet]

I run puncture shattering i like it on zealot

[slow spade]

It should be not that good on Veteran

As the changes to bolter made rending less of an issue

Fuck dogs

[sullen scarab]

Ah got it

Is that why people on the zealot discord say they run shattering impact

because they need it more?

[winter dock]

Shattering impact on boltgun is a bit superfluous yeah

for vet anyways

[sullen scarab]

yeah I always rememebred you never took it

[winter dock]

don't know about zealot optimization

[sullen scarab]

outside of like launch

[slow spade]

It also means they can unload while charging and use melee to finish target

So it combos better with Zealot

[sullen scarab]

ohhhh you're right

I forgot

apply the brittleness lol

[slow spade]

Then beat the shit out of target 💪

[sullen scarab]

3000 iq moves

haha

I guess Pinning FIre/Surigcal still the best for vet

[slow spade]

Imo yea

[sullen scarab]

how's Cavalcade?

I've never really wanted to run that due to the randomness

[slow spade]

Idk how good bolter's crit multiplier is

But its probably better than Surgical if you magdump

[sullen scarab]

yeah lol

does bleed still interact with brittleness stacks?

[mighty escarp]

🍿

[sullen scarab]

I saw someone say puncture/shattering was hilarious

for zealot

[slow spade]

Yes

[sullen scarab]

What's the interaction like with bleed?

Is it like bleed keeps applying brittleness?

[slow spade]

Most armor pen basically

Lets you bleed armored targets to death

[sullen scarab]

ah ok lmao

so basically it makes the bleed hit harder

through the armor type

[slow spade]

Part of why Purg staff is so good is because it has perfect armor pen (except carapace)

[sullen scarab]

ahhh

[slow spade]

And bleed does like 3x more base damage than warpfire

[sullen scarab]

I was trying to remember what they did since I remember they changed how bleed/brittle ness interacted

[slow spade]

I think they just made it so bleed doesn't refresh blessings

[sullen scarab]

ahhh ok

you're right

I remember

[slow spade]

So you can't have permanent DumDum stacks from bleeding targets

[sullen scarab]

I only remember it being something on the Ogryn

where you would take THunderous/Skullcrusher with the bleed talents

on the mk3 club

my brain is expanding

I understand now.

thank you.

[slow spade]

Funny times with dots

No problem comrade

[sullen scarab]

🫡

also tfw I dump mobility on all my guns and now I see i should have dumped collateral

[last parcel]

usually not much, but with plasma thermal resist it's the difference between being able to shoot 7 and 8 shots in a row. You'll have to ask path for more details since he's the one who wrote it and I don't play plasma (and he can attest to the difficulty of the roll since he spent millions of dockets without getting the perfect one )

[last parcel]

you'll be fine

[sullen scarab]

I will

its a mental thing lmao

[slow spade]

Collateral mostly impacts the recon anyways

[last parcel]

just blow your brains out

[sullen scarab]

I don't have brain burst

😢

you want to dump collateral on recon because you don't want people ducking behind cover right

[tawdry jackal]

What about charge level?

Cause I’ve seen 80% thermal resistance, near perfect gun with 80s everywhere but that

[sullen scarab]

i remember a godroll is like 69 thermal resist, 71% charge rate

[slow spade]

Basically 3x80% and 2x70%

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah that’s the problem I’m having. So need the second best solution

[slow spade]

Something like that is fine

[sullen scarab]

I'd rather dump charge rate over thermal

[tawdry jackal]

Cause I wanna have a plasma gun on deck while I wait for the perfect one

Gotcha

Yeah that’s my thinking too

[sullen scarab]

like you'll shoot a LITTLE slower

but i'd rather be able to get off like 8 shots without overheating