veteran-class

[idle warren]

what stats are you likely to "dump" on a bolt pistol

[forest maple]

i dump collateral but you can dump mobility if you like

[umbral garnet]

Mobility.

[thick rose]

I want stats on achievements in this game

[umbral garnet]

I always try and dump mobility for the most part. Personal preference. I don't care about dodges or sprint speed, if I can kill better, I want to KILL BETTER

DEATH, GRAAHH

[terse idol]

I think it's not thaaat good

You build straight damage for the recon las and like ahh I dunnnoo

[thick rose]

I wonder how many people have unlocked the only good reward on this damn silly cheeb point progression - the chest armor

[umbral garnet]

I get what you mean, after the crit chain nerf on Columnus it doesn't feel as ridiculous.

[tawny badger]

I think with no other buffs the recon las crits like.. 15% of the time? Had a bit of a hard time finding a concrete answer

[terse idol]

Well like it's just the raw damage the columnus does and the recon

[thick rose]

because I played quite a bit of this game (admittedly never targeting anything beyond very early veteran armor) and am still so far

[terse idol]

Like, what is deadshot giving you in terms of killing power

That isn't a meager increase in dps

[idle warren]

oh yeah i used to have a dump mobility bolt pistol but then it changed stats for some reasons

[umbral garnet]

Faster TTK I guess. Less bullets per target, too.

[plucky kite]

enough to make a grown woman cry
might change flak to carapace tho

[forest maple]

stability is the dump stat for all hellbores right?

[icy orchid]

ouch mobility dump

[umbral garnet]

I suggest changing Slaugther to BM, but yes, that's good when you get carapace added.

[tawny badger]

less sway -> more accuracy -> more shots hitting and more headshots (if you’re about that) -> more mileage per mag + more onheadshot effects (i.e. exhilarating takedown)

more crits -> more damage + more oncrit effects occurring (i.e deadly accurate, shocktrooper) -> more mileage per mag

[icy orchid]

I rather dump damage over mobility

[umbral garnet]

Please enligthen me

I don't know the issue with it.

[cloud phoenix]

wait, so for lasgun can you remove the rending?

[thick rose]

how do I say this quickly? damage matters less than living and the key to living is having stamina so what does that say about draining stamina to do damage?

[icy orchid]

If you don;t have mobility and stamina you can't clutch when you really need to. You can NOT out damage every situation.

Without stamina and speed you can't save your team, let alone yourself

[forest maple]

Recon? I don't play recon with rending and i just bring a melee that can clear crushers. Everything else, the recon deletes anyway

[plucky kite]

its mostly for horde clearing hence why i used slaughterer, but imma be real idk the difference between damage increase and strength increase

[umbral garnet]

Fair. I guess I never had an issue because I run my Bistol with my power sword, which makes up for my mobility.

[cloud phoenix]

i see, the powersword would benefit from the rending talent?

[umbral garnet]

BM is way better for horde clear.

[plucky kite]

really?

huh

[icy orchid]

yup

[plucky kite]

I'll try it out then

[icy orchid]

BM and PC is the way to go

[forest maple]

everything benefits from the rending talent, its just not that good compared to other talent nodes so most people skip it.

[icy orchid]

or better yet, drop the Powersword and grab a Knoife

[plucky kite]

without pc the weapon feels so ass

[thick rose]

KNIFEISLIFE

[tawny badger]

who dares sleep on rending strikes

[plucky kite]

the sparks make my happy brain chemicals go brr

[umbral garnet]

I can tell you enjoy mobility.

[acoustic ruin]

i just went and redid my veteran, i wanted to go and use the Lucius MK II Helbore Lasgun but i don't see a MK II in the helbore lasgun marks am i just stupid or am i missing something

[thick rose]

after a long period of knife, I have been playing around with all the different weapons sinc I can god roll them and man the game is a lot harder without knife

[icy orchid]

using shock maul rn and I recently maxed out H. Sword. Everygame I just wished I had my knife

[umbral garnet]

I get it, my knife and las pistol build feels fucking awesome running circles around the bastards.

Nothing like shanking a crusher in the face three times and they die because the knife is disgusting.

[tawny badger]

speed demon forced to slow down by picking something that isn’t knife, gets crusher overheaded

[icy orchid]

Oh hey, there's ammo/health/whatever some distance back? with the knife you can leave your team, go grab it and get back before one of the dumdums gets downed

[umbral garnet]

Oh the burden of having to carry.

Oh the humanity.

[icy orchid]

Reciprocity + Desparado are basically must take nodes lol

[umbral garnet]

DESPERADO MY BELOVED

That 25 bonus finesse is INSANE

C.Chance is nice too.

[icy orchid]

Combat Ability Regen and Stamina Regen on every Curio

[plucky kite]

i use knife on my zealot so i play like a pious crackhead

[umbral garnet]

🤝

Brother from another mother.

[icy orchid]

They can't kill you if they can't hit you

[plucky kite]

i use gunner resistance, toughness and ability regen on every curio

[icy orchid]

with enough stamina, you can dodge everything

just don't get hit

and kill gunners before they kill you

[plucky kite]

i might change one of those to burster resistance if there's a perk for that
they're the bane of my existance cuz my teammates love shooting them when I'm about to shove them

or shove them on me

[restive rock]

Nurglite: “surely the 20 other guys will protect me from this loyalist’s sword.”
+10 billion percent cleaving:

I love cleave

[plucky kite]

hot knife challenge cutting through one hundred heretics

[tawny badger]

cleaving hard cap on certain weapons :(

[hollow ibex]

no burster resist

[plucky kite]

aw man

1984

[hollow ibex]

teammates are usually ok with bursters at higher difficulties in my experience

[umbral garnet]

If you get hit by a poxburster, just blame your other teammates.

😎

[plucky kite]

burster ptsd so bad i was having auditory hallucinations last night with the fucking burster clicking
shits haunting me

[umbral garnet]

Plong plong PLONG PLONG PLONGPLONGPLONG GRAAAH

[icy orchid]

Honestly, the only mob that reliably gets me these days are ragers when I'm getting body blocked

[umbral garnet]

Hate ragers.

They feel impossible to stun sometimes.

[icy orchid]

Ragers alone are the only reason to get block efficiency on curios

[plucky kite]

nah fuck that
12 snipers on maelstrom with 5 bursters running at you

[tawny badger]

Its the dreg ragers

[icy orchid]

literally just dodge and push

[tawny badger]

Dreg ragers are the real bastards of the two

[plucky kite]

and then 3 hordes spawning in from all sides
while the ragers are spawning in

maelstrom is like actual hell

[icy orchid]

You can outplay those, ragers, if they're on you, you can only block and fall back while hoping your team can kill them fast enough

[umbral garnet]

Seeing an entire deployment of crushers and ragers is horrifying. The crushers are fine. But those naked screaming men

Horrible.

[icy orchid]

You're basically guaranteed to take SOME amount of damage against ragers if they get in close

[tawny badger]

bulwark

[icy orchid]

the others? DodgeSlide.

[umbral garnet]

Bulwark is annoying, sure, but you just gotta wait for windows.

Ragers have no windows.

[tawny badger]

See

[plucky kite]

i can semi reliably two shot them with the power sword normal slashes but
usualy i just shoot them
but yeah if ragers get close and you don't kill them fast enough you're getting damaged

[tawny badger]

I try that with the bulwark

[umbral garnet]

UNLESS YOU VOC OOOOOOH YEEEEAH

STAND UP AND FIGHT

BANG BANG BANG

[tawny badger]

I dodge/block the bulwark’s attack, Rev chainsword and swing

Sword gets caught on the shield

Kill self

[plucky kite]

you can also be a pussy and use infiltration

[true jackal]

do ragers still ignore part of the dodge state?

[icy orchid]

Help your team you rat. Take VoC and Born Leader

[slow spade]

Dreg ones do, flak is fine

[icy orchid]

Gold Toughness is the Emperor's Gift. (After Hatred that is)\

[plucky kite]

i use infiltration to rez people
mainly when they're getting railed by ragers

[umbral garnet]

They're the fleshpounds of Darktide.

[tawny badger]

The.. what?

[umbral garnet]

Heart sinks to see five of them running at you.

[umbral garnet]

He doesn't know.

[icy orchid]

now you see, your buddies won't go down if they have gold toughness

[slow spade]

Big, fast, hits hard

[true jackal]

fleshpound is an enemy in killing floor

[umbral garnet]

Killing Floor, yeah.

[plucky kite]

my buddies have like half a braincell

[tawny badger]

I see

[icy orchid]

you need better buddies

[plucky kite]

they go down if a slight breeze hits them

[tawny badger]

That’s why I asked

[umbral garnet]

Let me be an arsehole, damnit.

[terse idol]

Me as I don't take shock trooper
I mean yeah

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[terse idol]

I just feel like the stamina drain is eh

[tawny badger]

you don’t take shocktrooper on lasgun?

[terse idol]

I played recon yesterday without deadshot with death spitter and the other one

[umbral garnet]

Your loss.

[terse idol]

Uhhh

Do I

I forhor

I thiiink I do

[umbral garnet]

Shocktrooper on any lasgun build is no ammo pickup heaven.

[tawny badger]

Oh I mean I don’t fuck with deadshot either unless it’s on the double barrel shotgun

[terse idol]

But I don't take extra crit

Innate crit + survivalist

[true jackal]

sometimes deadshot pops off

[terse idol]

Just kinda gives you alotta damage

[true jackal]

wish I could toggle it

[terse idol]

I just have exe

[umbral garnet]

I have deadshot on two builds, and that's all I need.

[true jackal]

like be able to ads and not drain stam

[tawny badger]

you are going to have zero stamina and you are going to LIKE IT

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[umbral garnet]

It's always such a pain in the ass to mag dump into two crushers with my Columnus, turn to see 2 ragers and I have no stamina and VoC is on fresh recharge.

https://tenor.com/view/mario-dies-thwomp-mario-64-mario-64-thwomp-death-gif-14049040339050574490

[terse idol]

Just reloooad

[umbral garnet]

Too close to reload is the issue.

[tawny badger]

should’ve mag dumped into the ragers first

[umbral garnet]

Real...

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[umbral garnet]

Real

[tawny badger]

how dreg ragers be looking at you when you hit them with that dollar store 194960301% impact (they’re mid-combo)

[umbral garnet]

The zealot with a Fan the Flames flamer looking back at them

[brittle furnace]

wtf is the deal with ragers holy shit theyre my arch nemesis

[true jackal]

they have massive stagger resist mid combo and I beleive that the naked ones attacks can deal damage through the dodge state(so they still hit you while you dodge)

so you kinda are ment to block them, but they also attack alot, and are almost never alone so your stamina gets eaten up very quickly

[tawny badger]

the naked ones are absolutely on crack

while the armored ones are ragers if they came from a just society

[tame lodge]

They are melee threat that should be engaged only if you know what you're doing

[somber axle]

Deadshot is extra goofy on the Recon Mk VId/Recon Mk XII. Fire rate is way too high. But it becomes hilarious when you're using Reciprocity with it too. Infinite ammo gun glitch unlocked at the cost of 0 stamina unless you take Duck and Dive LOL

[brittle furnace]

i know what im doing i just still hate them

[true jackal]

I do kinda like that the naked ones are more of a threat, makes the dreg faction have a sorta niche, but they do get annoying

[somber axle]

I like Deadshot on the Recon Mk II/Recon Mk VIc waaaay more

[umbral garnet]

I know exactly what I'm doing. Listening to free bird and running into them with a knife and VoC

[somber axle]

And it's way easier to control on that and the Recon Mk VIIa/Recon Mk XIV

[true jackal]

since the scabs have maulers, more and better shooters and ogryns

[brittle furnace]

i usually dodge backwards and hope an ogryn helps me lmao

[tame lodge]

That's the spirit

[umbral garnet]

YOUR DEATH WILL BE SWEET, BUT NOT FOR YOU

[true jackal]

do the dreg ones even have coherent voice lines?

or are they so cracked up they don't speak outside of grunts and yells

[umbral garnet]

Aside from EEEEYYAAAAHH from trying to gut you, not to my knowledge.

[true jackal]

too much nurgle crack

[tawny badger]

A couple

oh the dreg ones

uhhhhh

yeah they do

[tame lodge]

Mootash Pharg Nurgle

[true jackal]

"are somehow more coherent then their scab counterparts"

lol

[umbral garnet]

MOOTASH PHARG

NURGLEEEE!!!

[floral hornet]

Is sustained Fire and punishing salvo good on accatran mk xiv recon lasgun?

[true jackal]

no

[umbral garnet]

My favourite lines are from the flamers.

TEMPERATURES RISING!!!

[hearty panther]

susfire can be alright

[umbral garnet]

THE ROT TAKE YOU!!

[hearty panther]

punishing salvo no

[tawny badger]

really low bar tbf

[floral hornet]

what are the 2 blessings and 2 perks you guys can recommend

[hearty panther]

finesse mods are already pretty mid on the recons so its not much of a boost

Dumdum + w/e you want tbh

[tawny badger]

punishing salv- 😴

[true jackal]

I am extremly hesitant to take any of the x shots in salvo blessings

opening shot is good on some weapons

but i'd rather not be locked into bursting to make full usage of my blessings

[umbral garnet]

Opening Salvo with Yeehaw revolver, my beloved

I love the crit build on that thing.

Murdering crushers in less than a second

[true jackal]

it's pretty nuts on the semi auto "vigilant" autorifle

the reset time on it is so low that you can make almost every shot get 20% more power

[tawny badger]

fuck burst fire
we mag dump all day every day

[restive rock]

I forget what dregs and scabs are, exactly

[true jackal]

dregs are the ones dressed in yellow, scabs are the corrupted guard looking ones

[restive rock]

Like lorewise

I’m guessing dregs are just like the civilians

[true jackal]

dregs are just guys, scabs are former guardsmen

[tawny badger]

dreg is the cult of whatchamacallit

admonition?

[candid agate]

scabs are a traitor legion, dregs are a nurgle cult

[true jackal]

basically either pressganged, corrupted or w/e civilians

[restive rock]

Ah right cool

[tawny badger]

scab is the traitor legion Moebian 6th I believe

[trim steppe]

dregs are citizen cultists in yellow, scabs are moebian guardsmen in black armor

[restive rock]

Do you reckon they could make a third one?
Idk what a third one could be exactly

[umbral garnet]

Poor sods of the 21st getting corrupted.

[tawny badger]

they technically did with the- ^

[true jackal]

hmm, unlikely a third nurgle themed one

[tawny badger]

genestealers

[umbral garnet]

GENESTEALERS PLEASE

[true jackal]

we could get genestealers at some point

[umbral garnet]

PLEASE FATSHARK PLEASE

WE KNOW WHAT ZOLA IS

[true jackal]

but they wouldn't show up in the same missions as the other 2

[tawny badger]

slaanesh

[umbral garnet]

PLEASE THE PSYKERS KNOW

[somber axle]

Headhunter + Dum Dum if you dislike Reciprocity

Dum Dum + Deathspitter if you like Reciprocity

Headhunter + Infernus or Dum Dum + Infernus (latter with Recip) if you just really like setting things on fire for fun for a bit less damage overall

[restive rock]

I know next to nothing about genestealers or what specialists they could have

[tawny badger]

they steal 👖

[true jackal]

basically all the same + a couple of things

[restive rock]

Not my jeans!

[true jackal]

instead of ogryns they'd have abominations

[umbral garnet]

Basically people but from the art I've seen they can be a bit mutated.

Tyranid stuff, no?

[candid agate]

they're basically the vanguard for a tyranid invasion

[restive rock]

Yeah I guess what I mean is I know they’re a tyrannid cult, I just don’t know about their specific troops

[true jackal]

• full blown gene stealers would be a specialist/elite on it's own

[tawny badger]

ok but real talk they’re people that are kinda in this weird mutant state between human and tyranid and their ultimate goal is to weaken whatever civilization they’re in from the inside for preparation of a tyranid invasion

[restive rock]

Something I would like is maybe a mission based around taking down one injured death guard
Whatever injured means for a death guard

[umbral garnet]

I just wanna fight things with bug limbs. Space Marine 2 has given me a taste for bug blood.

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/aberrant-shootas-blood-teef-warhammer40k-genestealer-cult-wh40k-gif-25037741

[umbral garnet]

They received a cure.

Lmfao

[true jackal]

outside of having these mfs instead of ogryns it'd be mostly the same units

[orchid hemlock]

memememe me.....me

Rashad

[restive rock]

I’ve seen people say they are way too strong
But I mean, our rejects tear through thousands of enemies, including things like beasts of nurgle and chaos spawns

[true jackal]

mfs are glazing space marines if they don't think our 4 rejects could take them down

ogryns are physically strong then them, we have access to heavy weapons

etc

[icy orchid]

Not even a normal CSM but a Plague Marine? are yall high on warp dust?\

[true jackal]

no lol

[edgy dew]

one charged plasma shot and we win against the spes marine

[true jackal]

p much

[restive rock]

You could have them appear at different parts of the mission and they’re really strong, but retreat when hurt
And you wear them down at different stages until they’re cornered, and you fully kill them

[true jackal]

even a dg would go down to sustained plasma fire

[umbral garnet]

The power balancing lorewise in this game is busted. Four psykers, depending on their power, could annhilate anything in front of them. Four ogryns could reasonably take on something in front of them. Especially just a single death guard. Four gaurdsmen would be relative fodder. Four zealots are just four insane people who'd likely die in a frenzy quite fast.

[true jackal]

and as we are implied to be immune from a lot of the deases or smthing an ogryn could literally tear one limb from limb

[restive rock]

Have ogryns ever fought chaos marines in lore? Like is there a story about it happening

[icy orchid]

Ogryns are physically stronger than generic marines last I checked

[umbral garnet]

Not to my knowledge. But in a hand to hand, an ogryn has a reasonable upper hand.

[icy orchid]

shame they're so dumb

[umbral garnet]

They are BIG UNS

[true jackal]

not 100% sure but it basically boils down to if the space marine can outmaneuver the ogryn

[tawny badger]

ogryns are stronger than generic space marines yet they are beset by some rotting dog

[true jackal]

they have to process that it's not a cute puppy on them

[umbral garnet]

Like I said, game mechanics are impossible to implement well with lore for this game lmfao

[true jackal]

so they don't knock it off themselves

[restive rock]

From what I’ve heard from my ogryn research, an ogryn could just tear apart a space marine if he ever got his hands on one
But the issue is that he just wouldn’t, because of the speed and combat intelligence of space marines

[true jackal]

essentially

but it can happen

[restive rock]

Idk if death guard are like literally physically slower in lore though

[true jackal]

they are

[restive rock]

Lol they’re too gloopy

[icy orchid]

They might be slower but they're still space marines, they'll take our heads off the moment we peak lol

[true jackal]

not sure how their reaction times are effected, but they def move physically slower

[tawny badger]

nurgle watching what’s left of a traitor captain going up against a lore accurate ogryn

[umbral garnet]

The fact we can survive being swallowed by a BoN is already just plot armour speaking.

[restive rock]

I love ogryn so much

[tawny badger]

the fact that we can survive existing near a BoN is plot armor on its own

[umbral garnet]

LOL YEAH

[true jackal]

also daemon hosts

[restive rock]

I never see them used when I watch people play tabletop

[true jackal]

BoN?

[restive rock]

Beast of nurgle I’m guessing

[tawny badger]

Brotherhood of Nsteel

[restive rock]

Idk what they do to you in lore though

[true jackal]

yeah, I Was checking what you where refereing to as not being used

[restive rock]

I’m guessing you just corrupt to death immediately?

[tawny badger]

Pretty much the same stuff they do to you in-game

But also they make you rot and decay just by being near them

[true jackal]

they try to hug you and accidentally squish you

or desolve you

[tawny badger]

^ this as well

Beasts of Nurgle are really just big ol puppies with the unfortunate side effect of accidentally killing everyone they play with

[true jackal]

then they get sad and turn into plague drones

[restive rock]

I feel like if I was told I had to do close combat with a nurglite force, I’d just rather die

They’re so unbelievably disgusting that I feel like I’d immediately lose my mind getting close to them

[umbral garnet]

Plague ogryns can also just split someone in half with one well placed sneeze.

[true jackal]

that is quite literally what happens to regular humans fighting them

[umbral garnet]

Our characters are the Main Characters, so we're practically invincible.

[tawny badger]

Yeah about that

[west cave]

sm2 really put into perspective how fragile guardsmen are

even with all the fancy gear

[tawny badger]

It’s not really even all that fancy

[umbral garnet]

It's inspiring to see a guardsmen kick off a tyranid and blast it in the face with their flashlight.

[west cave]

a gaunt so much as breathes the same air as a guardsman and they die

[true jackal]

tyranids are basically the perfect counter to the guard tbf

[west cave]

comparing to gear you get in darktide

[tawny badger]

true

[true jackal]

they don't feel fear, there is more of them then there are guardsmen, and they are reasonably tough and hit just as hard

the first 2 really fuck over a lot of guardsman tactics

[west cave]

same can be said about orks

[umbral garnet]

They're basically the "if ants became huge, humans would be fucked" argument.

[west cave]

how huge

[umbral garnet]

They're organised, unfaltering, obedient, durable (exosekeleton) and strong.

[tawny badger]

necron jumpscare

[west cave]

we're talking human size or larger

or smaller

[umbral garnet]

Human size or larger, yes.

[restive rock]

Necrons have the best counter to tyrannids
Just don’t be made of flesh

[west cave]

I think if ants were the size of cats we'd still be screwed

[tawny badger]

they also don’t have morale issues

[west cave]

dont nids deploy some sort of acid to melt the crons down when needed?

[true jackal]

and it's hard to adapt to being disentegrated at the molecular level

[west cave]

just dont get hit

[tawny badger]

can’t they just do the same thing with every other faction

[umbral garnet]

Necrons are lame, they're just robots with death rays. Tyrannids are cool, they have acid and ravenous hunger.

[restive rock]

Someone pointed it out on Reddit I think
Because necrons destroy mass when they shoot, they’re like the only army that makes tyrannids actively lose mass when they fight

[umbral garnet]

We hate Necrons. Stupid arrogant fucks.

[west cave]

ye but not every faction has acid that can melt crons

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

[tough flower]

Who's we

Necron are tight

[west cave]

i thought they just disassemble mass

[umbral garnet]

I fully anticipated this gif, thank you.

[orchid hemlock]

I'm a firm Nid simp

[west cave]

which is almost exactly what nids do

[orchid hemlock]

yes my queen 🧎🏻

[true jackal]

necros are pretty cool, cooler then nids (at least how the fandom views nids sometimes0

I get annoyed with the nids being the end all be all galaxy enders

shits boring

[tawny badger]

tyranids are just fatasses

[true jackal]

make them just as desprate as everyone else

[tawny badger]

always gotta be eatin shit

[orchid hemlock]

sorry we built diff

[west cave]

okay question, if you take a buncha guardsmen and shoot them with the atomizer guns and then put all thats left of them in a concentrated place, would it be similar to nid soup?

[umbral garnet]

Only 'robots' I fw are the tech priests.

If they augment those hips

Man.

[tawny badger]

those are cyborgs

❌❌❌❌

[tough flower]

Commissar, this man right here

[true jackal]

no, nid soup isn't thier component structure

[umbral garnet]

I know, it's why I said 'robots'.

[west cave]

I was more asking about atomizers

[true jackal]

necron turns you into basically just carbon, nid soup has more to it I believe

[west cave]

carbon is still useful to nids no

they literally suck air and stuff

and minerals

[tawny badger]

does nid soup taste like chicken noodle

[plucky kite]

we should make a rule to never raise ai teammates
because ai is heretical

[orchid hemlock]

what do yall think "bio matter" is made of smh my head 😔

[tawny badger]

biographies

[tough flower]

The lowly servitor (bot) has clutched more than once

[true jackal]

nah, it's just the servitors playing them at the fatshark office

[orchid hemlock]

ur mom

[west cave]

it prob tastes like vomit

[tough flower]

We all have a place to serve the Emperor

[west cave]

nid soup is just vomit

[tawny badger]

crying uncontrollably

[restive rock]

Whatever they do, it means tyrannids can’t eat other tyrannids that get shot
Combined with necrons not really being made of tasty meat, tyrannids will just lose food

[west cave]

ripper swarms eat the meat and then spit it out in goop puddles

[umbral garnet]

The only thing that makes me upset about the tyranids is the terminology used sometimes is so gross with it being all organic.

[restive rock]

So afaik tyrannids won’t fight them

[west cave]

again, nids take more than just meat

[umbral garnet]

Fucking 'feeding tubes' coming out of their ships.

[west cave]

they very much eat carbon

[umbral garnet]

War of the Worlds kinda gross.

[west cave]

in its purest form

[tough flower]

Yeah, I think they ignore Necron tho

They want biomatter, not just matter

[true jackal]

maybe it's hard to eat atoms? idk

[west cave]

they suck the microbes out of air

[tough flower]

Necron have no biomatter

[west cave]

with the air

[true jackal]

gw isn't the best at making things actually make sense

gotta suspend a little disbelief for lots of 40k to work

[restive rock]

Yeah but you can eat a small amount of carbon for the cost of having loads of your side being disintegrated
Ultimately having a net loss on mass

Or

Just fight some humans or whatever

[tough flower]

^

[west cave]

im pretty sure they take anything that can be even remotely useful for later, even non-bio materials bcs thats how you get different chemistry going

[tough flower]

Even if they get something out of fighting Necron it can't even compare to fighting an actually biological species

[west cave]

like acids and whatnot

[umbral garnet]

Yummy yummy flesh.

[tawny badger]

necron v tyranid is definitely a net loss for tyranids

[true jackal]

I assume the tyranids aren't 100% efficent in thier eating either

[umbral garnet]

Tyrannids are the 'cosmic horror' entity of WH40K. It's the only thing not motivated by something complex. It's just hungry.

It just wanna nom

[restive rock]

But it’s not useful because they just want to increase their biomass, and fighting necrons makes them lose biomass

[umbral garnet]

Oh wait.

Orks exist. They're just motivated by fighting. That works too.

[west cave]

I wasnt arguing for nids actively trying to fight crons, moreso when they have to, they still dont leave empty-handed

[tough flower]

Orks vs. Tyranids is a biological arms race

[tawny badger]

that’s not really cosmic horror that’s just British

[restive rock]

I’m just saying I don’t think they’d ever choose to

[tough flower]

That's how you get krorks

[west cave]

you mean octarius war?

[restive rock]

Unless necrons chose to fight them ig

[tough flower]

Yes

[umbral garnet]

Yeah, Orks aren't cosmic horror, they're cosmic entertainment.

[west cave]

do orks like crons?

cuz big guns

[true jackal]

orks like anything that actually fights

[west cave]

and they can put up a fight

[tough flower]

Don't orks prefer melee fights though

[true jackal]

generally

[tough flower]

Necron don't do a ton of that

[true jackal]

but dakkas is still good

[west cave]

I remember smth about orks not liking fighting demons bcs when demons die they dont bleed, they just evaporate kinda

like no gore = no fun kinda policy

[umbral garnet]

Orks LOVE the imperium for all the tanks and shit and how versatile they are. We 'ATE THE ELDAR PUNIES

COWARDS

[true jackal]

ork logic is amusing as well, "why build a fortress if you don't want someone to try and take it"

[west cave]

its half and half

[true jackal]

orks questioning why humies get so mad when they attack

[umbral garnet]

They like Necron tech for how advanced it is, if I remember correct.

Especially certain orks.

[true jackal]

fun for mekboyz

[west cave]

oh ye they constantly nag the stormlord

I forgot about that

[tough flower]

That's fair

[restive rock]

There’s that one ork that is permanently fighting in Khorne’s domain

[west cave]

tuska

[restive rock]

Surely that is the character having the absolute most fun in the whole of WH40k

[tough flower]

By far

Orks in general are the only ones having fun

[restive rock]

A species bred to love and require fighting
Fighting forever

[west cave]

chaos marines tho

[true jackal]

chaos marines are grumpy gitz

[west cave]

emperors children and night lords

[restive rock]

LOL

[west cave]

ok maybe not night lords

[true jackal]

they think they are having fun orks actually are

[west cave]

non-deathguard nurgle marines

[split grove]

does shovel mk7 have high stagger?

[restive rock]

Are chaos marines still kinda like space marines in their attitude?
Or do they fully indulge in chaos?

[west cave]

cuz death guard are depressed

[tough flower]

Night Lords are having some of the worst times ngl

[restive rock]

Like idk what a slaanesh marine would even get up to

[umbral garnet]

MUSIC AND SEX

[tough flower]

Emperor's Children are like drug addicts I imagine

[umbral garnet]

LOTS OF MUSIC

[west cave]

they're assholes with no sense of brotherhood and hate eachother as much as everyone else

[tough flower]

The highs are more like relief than actual pleasure

[west cave]

even if they're within the same warband or legion

there's like 3 instances over 30 years of 40k when a chaos marine called another chaos marine "brother"

[restive rock]

Canonically endowed space marines

Like that story of the space marine showering

[split grove]

what does the mk7 special strike do

[west cave]

usually its dark eldar lite kinda affairs

[severe gale]

on dueling sword?

er

[umbral garnet]

Honestly, blasting music and just pounding all the time doesn't sound that bad.

[severe gale]

heavy sword

[split grove]

shovel

[severe gale]

oh

[severe gale]

flips it down, to deal 2 instances of high damage to a single target

[restive rock]

You’ve fallen already

[split grove]

so that's my big boi killing move

[severe gale]

yeah

[west cave]

marines dont pound

[umbral garnet]

I'm a simple man, I enjoy the pleasures of the flesh.

[west cave]

they have no game

[split grove]

Do i need thrust to hit breakpoints

[severe gale]

u can reach a crusher one shot with one of the flip shovels, idk which one though

[umbral garnet]

I'm not saying I wanna be a slaanesh marine.

[west cave]

no game

[restive rock]

There’s a story where a space marine is showering with an inquisitor or something and she’s like ‘it’s a shame you guys are chaste’ LOL

[split grove]

I'm running decimator uncanny strike rn

seems like the goated option

dunno what perks to run on it tho

[west cave]

marines are like

ugly as hell

with all the scars and stuff that the carapace armor attaches to

and just proportions

thats one weird inquisitor

[restive rock]

She was not interested in his face I guess

[tough flower]

Lmao

[idle swallow]

dropped his monster condom for his magnum dong

[west cave]

40k standards

[tawny badger]

maybe he was just gay

"only men can take my gene seed" moment

[west cave]

for the emperor

[thick rose]

push-attacks ragers with knife and moves on because using the good weapon

[restive rock]

In the story he doesn’t even get what she means until another person explains it to him

[restive rock]

LMAO

[umbral garnet]

That knife stab is goated.

[restive rock]

AHAHAHAH

[thick rose]

"nice"

[tough flower]

The Emperor and his 18 roommates

[umbral garnet]

Vulkan could have mine bro

The salamanders are amazing.

[thick rose]

I wish elon was cool and wanted more orks like me. then we might have greentide and be playing dope ass ork heros

[tawny badger]

…musk?

[restive rock]

“Why is your skin now pure white, brother?”

[thick rose]

no. elon from down the street.

[tawny badger]

alright man

[umbral garnet]

"I am still one of you, brother, ignore the makeup."

[modest hinge]

On Devil Claw IV is Rampage/Shred still good at horde control? I'm running Rampage/Savage Sweep right now and wanted some more oomph on those hits.

[restive rock]

People coming in for veteran advice only to see in-depth gay space marine discussion

[tawny badger]

well

[brittle furnace]

lore friendly

[tawny badger]

now we need to change the topic to in-depth gay imperial guardsman discussion

[brittle furnace]

even more lore friendlier

[thick rose]

this is the intellectuals class so it only makes sense that the big questions are being asked

[modest hinge]

Don't mind looking at some hot steamy action while waiting for tips

[umbral garnet]

A commissar could never.

Heartless bastards.

Like Dukane. THE BITCH

[tawny badger]

too busy banging eldars

(also gay)

[tawny badger]

yea

communism

[thick rose]

I cant rmember which blessing is which now but, since devil claw horde clear is on light, heavy, light, heavy... instead of light spam

its whichever is activated by that XD

[hearty spoke]

I see people using them, but I don't really get it. Can someone explain why helbore rifles are good...maybe I'm dumb?

[thick rose]

bayonet

was OP

[tawny badger]

you shoot the enemy in the face
big damage

enemy die

[thick rose]

what was it... you got the melee weapons blessings on the bayonet special for a while?

[umbral garnet]

BM applied to Bayos.

They fixed it.

So sad.

😔

[terse idol]

Well nerfed, they didn't like that

But iirc railgun zealot still exists

[restive rock]

I like the idea that nobody likes her after like 7 voicelines

[terse idol]

So sooome of these interactions they like

[umbral garnet]

When Morrow of all people becomes sympathetic, you know that person is a prick.

[tawny badger]

the darktide community when a commissar is understandably upset at a fucking tox bomb train slamming into their forces:

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[umbral garnet]

"You can talk back to me, but if you do it to her, you won't even see the bullet that kills ya"

'Ol Morrow.

He's a good lad.

[patent birch]

heavy sword blessing and perks?

[umbral garnet]

The whole thing is that we PREVENT IT!!

That mission is refreshingly difficult.

Mostly because of inferior teammates but

[thick rose]

all I want from this game is to enter an old map at a random location, move through to an exit at either end and collect random loot to upgrade the ship

and instead I get a fucken nightmare spawns coming from every random angle no strats level

sadness

[patent birch]

this is verteran chat

erm

but yea more content and i want the maps to feel less samey

[tame lodge]

Isn't that just GTFO

[patent birch]

mid ahh game

[thick rose]

its a few games now I guess... but I like this one because its 40K and good...

[umbral garnet]

This game captures the thunder I like about L4D2 but in a more modern setting with improved graphics and mechanics.

Character interaction and SLAUGHTER

[jovial sky]

What's the best shovel?

[umbral garnet]

I like the sapper Mk3

I think it's the 3

The one with the overhead special.

[thick rose]

its gotta be one of the stabby special shovels

and one has the good heavy spam like the old shovel and one has weird attacks

so

[umbral garnet]

Nothing like having thrust on that bad boy and one shotting a crusher with a fucking sharpened shovel of all things.

[heavy rover]

Mk vii has the wide heavy spam, while the mk III has wide light spam and an overhead heavy. So it really depends on what you're looking for

[umbral garnet]

I find the overhead heavy way easier to hit heads with.

[heavy rover]

Yeah, same

[uncut pebble]

This is why Morrow is my favorite npc. He knows the troops are gonna bitch, and he's alright with them bitching to him, because there's nobody else they can bitch to without getting shot. He's a good man.

[thick rose]

GROOMING STANDARD

[umbral garnet]

He really is. Traumatised, too, with him being from the Badab war or whatever.

[thick rose]

https://youtu.be/_nEFLKpknM4

[umbral garnet]

Like, they mention genestealers in the dialogue talking about his history. AND the psykers make it quite obvious with Zola hiding a part of herself she doesn't even know about.

GIVE US GENESTEALERS, FATSHARK

[stuck gorge]

Wasn’t it Armageddon?

[umbral garnet]

Consdering his Steel Legion uniform, most certainly.

But I swear I hear them mention Badab. And some other name.

[stuck gorge]

I’ve only heard his vox comms about Armageddon

[atomic zephyr]

he has a lot of rumors surrounding him

but he only speaks personally about armageddon

[thick rose]

generation kill is basically an imperial guard documentary

[atomic zephyr]

none of the rumors are confirmed

[umbral garnet]

He's 'very old'.

[atomic zephyr]

hes old because of a warp travel accident

[umbral garnet]

Yeah. Got stuck, no?

[atomic zephyr]

mhm, and apparently the only survivor on that ship

which presumably is why grendyl has him

[umbral garnet]

Like I said, traumatised.

Poor sod.

[stuck gorge]

I’ve heard something about his documents being lost nearing the end of Armageddon talking with dukkane I think it was?

What that stuff about

[atomic zephyr]

oh i havent heard that line yet

its either inquisitorial fuckery or the administratum being the administratum

[true jackal]

probably grendels doing

[atomic zephyr]

both are equally likely

[true jackal]

or cleared becuase he was assumed dead

[atomic zephyr]

ya

on the topic of armageddon, i am slowly losing the internal battle to stop myself from purchasing the new outfit

[stuck gorge]

Let your intrusive thoughts win, buy the drip

[umbral garnet]

I got every single one of them.

I love the Steel Legion.

[atomic zephyr]

i literally went to hallowette and stared at the outfit preview for five minutes

[umbral garnet]

I could not stop myself.

I've had that original sulphur yellow jacket forever now.

Steel Legion forever.

[atomic zephyr]

i didnt own the game last time that was in rotation

but i think i like the simpler newer one better

less doohickeys attached

[stuck gorge]

The first armor set I remember being in shop when I started playing was the rogue trader ones

[atomic zephyr]

yea those dropped with the rogue trader game

same week

i dont remember what was in shop when i started playing but it was in may 2023

[stuck gorge]

I was able to get myself the Cadia veteran gear around when that came out, stopped playing for awhile then came back recently and I don’t even like vet anymore

[atomic zephyr]

i didnt like the cadian vet gear

it felt like half a carapace outfit

[stuck gorge]

I just impulse bought it idk why

[atomic zephyr]

cadian

[umbral garnet]

I just want them to give us a proper bloody Kasrkin helmet.

Not the shitty face cloth one.

I want that visor and face plate.

[balmy flume]

Closest we have is the Scion helmet some rotations ago

[umbral garnet]

I have that one too, yeah.

[atomic zephyr]

there are a few that get close, the helmets with the block of metal over the mouth

[umbral garnet]

But those are scions, nor Kasrkin!!! 😭

[atomic zephyr]

but they dont have visors

i wish i knew why the devs were allergic to having things over the eyes

[balmy flume]

lol

[umbral garnet]

The zealot having a shattered goggle.

Like, sure, cool, BUT GIVE US GOGGLES AT SOME POINT

[atomic zephyr]

okay well the psykers get blindfolds i guess

[tawny badger]

psykers: cant see shit
zealots: cant see shit

[stuck gorge]

Psykers stole all the functional goggles

[umbral garnet]

Truly.

Also, the zealots justh have no drip.

[atomic zephyr]

real

[tawny badger]

they can dress up as pirates

[atomic zephyr]

i have the hardest time doing drip for my zealot

[umbral garnet]

Ok, except the rogue trader outfits, they were cool.

But real Zealot drip is impossible.

[stuck gorge]

I want more ogryn drip that isn’t just paid only

Why the free stuff kinda meh

[tough flower]

Ogryn really are dripless

[tawny badger]

you mean veteran

[stuck gorge]

lol

[tawny badger]

I got more of these

[umbral garnet]

ARE THEY WEARING THEM THOUGH

Aside from the first two

WEAR THE OTHERS

THEY'RE THERE FOR A REASON

[tawny badger]

they got eyes on their forehead trust

[umbral garnet]

AT LEAST GIVE US AN OPTION TO PUT THEM ON OR NOT

[tawny badger]

sure! for 600 aquilas

[umbral garnet]

Horrible.

[tawny badger]

we need to kill hallowette

[stuck gorge]

It also breaks the voice modifier and won’t be fixed for another year with goggles equipped

[split grove]

once again i seek mk7 shovel perks

[tawny badger]

flak maniac

[umbral garnet]

Ahhh, shovels.

Some of the best sound design in the game.

THONK DONK BONK

[split grove]

blessings

[umbral garnet]

My question is how does the folding shovel stay straight while wacking the hell out of them but all your character has to do to flip it is calmly flick the shovel backwards

[atomic zephyr]

flakiac is ol'reliable

[stuck gorge]

There’s a button to unlock it at the bottom of the grip fr fr

[split grove]

i went for the hit more get more power

and uncanny

[umbral garnet]

Skullcrusher and uncanny are nice.

[split grove]

do i need thrust for mk7

[umbral garnet]

If you want a one shot for crushers and maulers, thrust is the way to go.

[split grove]

i went decimator

[true jackal]

uncanny, then scrusher, decimator, or thrust depending on preference/shovel type

scrusher may get you more damage(haven't tested this just a feel thing) but decimator lets you cleave better

[split grove]

is scrusher for horde clear

i mainly just want to fuck up moebian hordes

[umbral garnet]

The stagger of the shovel is pretty alright so yeah those stacks of +dmg is nice.

[split grove]

my kill armor guy is my autogun

[umbral garnet]

If you wanna murder scabs, then of course flak is a good perk.

Skullcrusher for the plus damage on staggered.

Uncanny for armour pen.

[split grove]

aite

after shovel gonna level up all the other weps

[umbral garnet]

I believe the Mk7's horde clear combo is just heavy after heavy

With the Mk3 being light spam.

[true jackal]

yeah

the mk7 likes thrust

mk3 can also use thrust if you are trying to bop single targets with it

[split grove]

too bad, i shall use this shovel to slay hordes

Does vet have a horde clearing gun actually

[umbral garnet]

Mk3 overhead my beloved.

Send that crusher to the grave with a little metal spike.

[umbral garnet]

Braced weapons, mostly.

[true jackal]

I think if you are going for a bop build on that you may want thrust, limbsplitter rather then the typical set up

[umbral garnet]

Good stagger, damage and ammo.

[umbral garnet]

I don't suggest limbsplitter, I keep skullcrusher on it to be able to deal with hordes without fighting for minutes on end. Then again, if you don't want to sacrifice perks to be able to make that one shot happen, then limbsplitter is the way.

[true jackal]

limbsplitter L, least it doesn't nerf your weapon anymore

like there was bricking a weapon, then there was getting limbsplitter on it

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VIIa/Recon Mk XIV, Braced Autoguns, Agripina Infantry Autogun, Lawbringer Shotgun/Zarona Shotgun when paired with Manstopper/Scattershot blessings for the special slug wide shot

I guess Plasma can also clear hordes but you would have to be very silly to spam Plasma for clearing Poxwalkers

[true jackal]

though I wouldn't recommend relying to much on your gun to clear hordes, but it's all situational anyway

[tawny badger]

counterpoint

[true jackal]

clear pox hordes specifically

[somber axle]

Lawbringer/Zarona Shotgun is probably the best horde clear gun Vet has

[tawny badger]

I can proc exhilirating takedown 12391549131 times

[true jackal]

mixed hordes are a different story

[somber axle]

Oh also Double Barrel Shotgun with Manstopper

[umbral garnet]

INFINITE TOUGHNESS

[somber axle]

That's also good at horde clear

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-gif-18014317

I'M FUCKIN INVINCIBLE

[true jackal]

ye, though I mainly use it if a) my team has no ammo problems and I can do whatever, or b) there is ragers, shooters etc in the horde as well

if the game is going well do what ever long as you don't make it no longer go well

[umbral garnet]

I wonder how freeing it must feel to have a weapon that's ammo hungry like bolter, plasma or somethin else and all your teammates are staff psykers

All the ammo just for me.

[true jackal]

it feels great

until the psykers die in melee in 5 seconds

[umbral garnet]

:(

[true jackal]

but that doesn't always happen

[umbral garnet]

A good smite psyker is genuinely amazing.

Hordes? No lol Zap

[trim steppe]

Ep smite is unironically incredible

[true jackal]

to me psyker and vet (thoughj a bit to a lesser extent) kinda get a pass on going down

both can be very squishy

[trim steppe]

But overtuned to the point that it's pretty cheesy

[umbral garnet]

If a zealot goes down in melee, I expect there to be an entire mosh pit around them for that to have happened.

[true jackal]

either that or they walked into a firing squad with wrath down

[umbral garnet]

A free 5 second unkillable window every 2 minutes is GROSS

[jovial sky]

What do you guys think is the best type and then mark for said type for las gun build

[umbral garnet]

Lasgun Ia best by far with its balance of damage and fire rate between the 3 marks.

[true jackal]

all the lasgun types do differnt things

[umbral garnet]

Recon and Helbore have their strengths, I don't use Reocn enough to say which mk I like.

[true jackal]

last I checked the heaviest damage one was the best for infantry, but i've been gone a while

[umbral garnet]

Helbore I really like the middle one too.

[umbral garnet]

The fire rate doesn't justify the higher damage.

In DPS terms, Ia is better.

[shadow urchin]

What if two stray poxers hit'em with the fabled "Double Ass Slap" stealth attack?

[true jackal]

hits breakpoints is the main deal with it

[jovial sky]

Lasgun la?

[umbral garnet]

But I suppose if you want a heavier hitter, the 12 isn't bad.

[true jackal]

or at least it did, haven't checked

[umbral garnet]

Ia, yes.

Eye a.

[true jackal]

less dps, but more 1 shots

[umbral garnet]

True. More ammo efficient as a result, I think.

[jovial sky]

Uhhh. Is that like a infantry lasgun?

[umbral garnet]

Yes, infantry.

[jovial sky]

Ah. Aight.

[umbral garnet]

Helbore is longer range BP hitter.

[true jackal]

all the hellbores are good-alright, just be wary of the dogshit sight it has

[umbral garnet]

Recon is funy brrr

[umbral garnet]

GIVE US A REFLEX FOR IT AT LEAST

Having to squint to see through those irons is insufferable.

[true jackal]

they aren't even irons

it's literally a rail to mount a sight on

[umbral garnet]

💀

[jovial sky]

What setup do you run with the infantry lasgun in terms of perks and blessings then?

[umbral garnet]

I do a crit weakspot build. So headhunter and the +100 percent critical weakspot damage.

[true jackal]

the highest damage lowest fire rate wants opening salvo, the others I am unsure

[umbral garnet]

For perks I have flak and weakspot.

[true jackal]

they fucken changed the mark numbers💀

i had to check to see which was which

[jovial sky]

Does it require exactly 80 in all stats to hit breakpoints? I got a 78 damage and 62 mobility.

[tawny badger]

I feel like a lot of the iron sights in this game are kinda just

not good

[true jackal]

yeah, the hellbore in particular is really bad about it tho

like i have respect for anyone that actually uses the weapon a lot w/o the customization mod

[umbral garnet]

DID THEY

AAW HELL NAH

I'm sorry, to whoever I told Ia then.

[true jackal]

ia was the middle one right?

[umbral garnet]

Yes.

[true jackal]

it is vii now

[umbral garnet]

7. Ok.

[true jackal]

heavy is ix and fastest is iib

[jovial sky]

Ah. Alright

I was a bit confused looking at it xd

[umbral garnet]

My bad, yeah. The Mk7, then

[uncut pebble]

Mmmyes, confuse the player base for no fucking reason.

Because "mk(x) of (weapon type)" would be too simple.

They really renamed the double barrel from ironhelm (as it was being confused with thunder hammers) to crucis (also confused with thunder hammers).

Quality obese fish name scheming.

[true jackal]

it wouldn't be as bad if it said what each type did when looking at the selection

though I guess that'd be wierd for melees

since it isn't just "higher firerate lower damage, etc"

[trim steppe]

Renaming a bunch of manufacturers and mark numbers of guns the community is intimately familiar with is exactly what I've come to expect from Fatshark. Amazing base content insulated in utterly baffling design decisions

[somber axle]

I've heard the tinfoil hat theory that the renaming was done because of prodding by Games Workshop

But who knows?

I just have a screenshot of the whole list of weapon renaming saved just in case

I've only memorized the Recons tbh

[smoky sparrow]

i dont care about most of these tbqh
it will always be surge and purgatus for me tho

[true jackal]

I think the "vigilant" auto gun name changes are ok

[smoky sparrow]

trauma too

[true jackal]

since 2 of them were vraks before

and they are vastly differnt

[wispy sorrel]

WTF are they even naming gun patterns for Vraks? Not only did it rebel, it was a shrine world! It had an armory on it but it wasn't a forge world. it just STORED a lot of stuff for the imperial guard. Those autoguns would have come from somewhere else.

[true jackal]

some of the name changes are just irrelevant, and some are actively more confusing

rashad mk 2 to rashad mk3 makes no difference

[atomic zephyr]

its a reference i guess

[wispy sorrel]

not to mention, they certainly aren't building anything there any more. given 17 years of war with the death korps of krieg, and major chaos presense. there's barely one brick ontop of another on vraks

[smoky sparrow]

i think the names relate to the place the person that first made them were

some are straight up named after people too

[true jackal]

wait, they changed the names of the power swords but kept the same mark numbers

that and the vigiliant changes are the only ones I see that make sense

[potent canyon]

Probably already said, but I absolutely love weapons specialist with the dueling sword and bolt pistol. This build feels so good.

[slow spade]

+25% attack speed on a weapon that 1 hit kills is indeed good UwU

[potent canyon]

And all the finesse and crit bonuses chef kiss

[somber axle]

Idk lore much but the Recon Mk VIc feels like it's meant to be a fun variant of the Recon Mk IVc in the Elysian arsenal art

[true jackal]

🤷‍♂️ I just mean like functionally

[true jackal]

like giving the power swords different manufacturer names helps tell thme apart for newer people easier and leaving the mks the same keeps the difference easy for "older" players

[umbral garnet]

Can't wait to start deploying mortars in the enforcer station to explode the heretics.

[somber axle]

Maybe one day they'll give us a grenade launcher weapon

We have Plasma so why not?

I still really want the Longlas tho

[true jackal]

longlas, melta, and a regular and las lmg are my weapon wants for vet

[hard cave]

I wish the pump shotgun didn't look so damn bulky

[umbral garnet]

I also recently realised that the flamers now explode, which is a very nice detail I didn't think about. Seeing their tanks spew flames and then detonate really adds a lot.

[true jackal]

well it is only recently that it was added

[somber axle]

Flamers exploding has to be the funniest change

[umbral garnet]

Solid addition, I love exploding people.

[somber axle]

Zealots launch themselves accidentally

It's perfect

[slow spade]

I just wish their fuel tanks didn't eat shots if you hit their back :c

[tame lodge]

The cannisters have a pretty forgiving hitbox from the front

Shotguns are prone to spark them

[tawny badger]

I think it's easy to hit them cuz it's-

from the front, their hitbox is mostly around the flamer's head, right?

[spiral dew]

Question: Is there a maximum number of cleave kills for plasma shots?

is there a difference between uncharged and max charged shots?

[hearty panther]

Yeah I think the Flamer changes are great and I also think they change the rules in how you should approach one as a team. All of which is great since it takes two 'figured out' enemies and makes them new and more complex.

[hearty panther]

Cleave on left click got nerfed, I do not know the new values. Pre-patch it was 20 uncharged, 100 charged

[tame lodge]

Both shots have 100 cleave
It would take 11 scab Ragers to stop it
The alternative is carapace

[plucky kite]

lads

i got the fabled

[hearty panther]

Damage wise a fully charged shot is essentially three shots stuffed into one

[plucky kite]

59 mobility weapon

rounding errors are funny

[pastel wing]

hey this a good knife for stealth vet?

[tame lodge]

Yeah you just need to change every perk and blessing

[pastel wing]

ok ok thanks

[tame lodge]

You could keep mercy killer

But you'd have to pick the Serrated Blade talent

[pastel wing]

i seeee

ok ill look into it

^^

[plucky kite]

any tips on what perks and blessings to use?

[tawny badger]

good ol thrust and uhhhhh

I forgot the other one

precognition I think

as for perks there’s always flak/maniac

when in doubt, flak/maniac it

then again chances are you can run crit damage w/ dueling sword

[pearl granite]

guys, where do I find the new blessing book or something, to unlock it?

or, how do I unlock the blessing in hadron shop?

[tawny badger]

open up your inventory, go to masteries tab

[thick kestrel]

you unlock your blessings through the mastery tab in your character page, hit "I" and have a look at the top 🙂

[pearl granite]

thanks

[grand perch]

are there any interesting use cases for any of the heavy swords special attack?

[tall torrent]

I like
Maniac & carapace
Agile + riposte

[tall torrent]

Break rager combo, chains into H1 faster than pure heavy atk spam

[forest maple]

***Incorrect Rounding of Weapon Stats

On uncommon occasions when looking at a weapon card, the total value of the potential stats distribution shown might add up to 1% higher or lower than the maximum (380).

This is a rounding issue, however the actual stats total will always effectively be 380 for all weapons.

---

From recent hotfix. Does that mean that weapons that had 59% or 61% are actually 60% in effect but display 1% higher/lower value?

[tall torrent]

Not bad as a horde clear option for Mk7 heavy sword

[grand perch]

cool thx

[faint beacon]

Mk IX has been my go too to Heavy Swords they’re very enjoyable

[uncut nest]

Which one of these is better?

[hearty panther]

left

[uncut nest]

What is the dump stat for bolt pistols?

[forest maple]

mobility or collateral

[broken gazelle]

Grenade Tinkerer or Demolition Team? 🤔

[rose gale]

what is the dump stat on the bolt pistol ? stability or mobility ?

[cold thistle]

Rapid fire cadian veteran names go.

[tame lodge]

Rock

[rose gale]

norbert

[last parcel]

CadianCatboy
Kasrkitty
CadianFemboy
CadiaSits
CreedsLilPogchamp

half of these i’ve actually seen already though

[trim steppe]

This is very handy, thank you. I legit wasn't sure what some of the weapons were anymore

[rose gale]

cadia has femboys ? finally, imperial propaganda that works

[cold thistle]

Names noted. Now if one of you proud veterans could share your build tree. ❤️ Prefferably with the shout ulti

[trim steppe]

Collateral. Second choice is mobility

[rose gale]

really ? collateral feels like it be better than stabilty since it doesn't really need that much

[trim steppe]

Better for aiming if both you and the enemies sway less

[cold thistle]

Pistol and chainsword a good combo?

[vague smelt]

Opinions on armourbane blessing for Helbores?

[frank ether]

nice, nice

I'll definitely not steal those

[silent cloud]

Hello guys i had a problem

My boltgun mastery is already 20,but still no that penance unlocked and no skin.Anybody confront this problem?

I'm a new player after the recent update.I don't know anybody meat this problem before.

[last parcel]

sometimes the problem goes away after a restart

[forest maple]

Ah, the good old "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

[silent cloud]

I mean,if I ask this that means i restart couple times

But anyway thank you

[trim steppe]

I did not personally have that but I know other people did, I believe it is a known bug but I don't have info on how to resolve it other than on/off again

[tame lodge]

Pretty meh really

[silent cloud]

Yes.I read some comments in forums before,some people have this problem too.I think this is a bug(At least,not my network problem).Hope Fatshark will fix it🤔

[tender inlet]

Which mark for the combat shotgun?

[hollow ibex]

They're all good in their own ways tbh

[tender inlet]

Yeah but which of their own ways of being good is better than the other ways of being good.

[topaz lance]

Agri is you wanna snipe, Lawbringer for funni manstopper build crit build to delete hordes, Kantreal or whatever if you wanna set things on fire.

[hollow ibex]

Pretty much

[topaz lance]

(double barrel if you're based)

[tall torrent]

Mk7

Slug can 1 tap Poxbursters on bodyshot

U could run scattershot + manstopper + mettle with mk6 for funny toughness regen ig?

[cold thistle]

What do yall recommend for bolt pistol blessings?

[tall torrent]

Lethal proximity + Run&gun

Grenadier build

[cold thistle]

wdym grenadier build? Im using shout and right tree ish.
Missing a couple of points on the right side as im still 23

Running chainsword and bolt pistol

May swap chainsword for a aoe weapon if I can find a good one

Any recommendations?

[tame lodge]

Chainsword is AoE

Good horde clear

[cold thistle]

You're not wrong if I use the heavy.

[gritty furnace]

Is there any weapons that have a low magazine count and has a blessing that provide a melee buff upon killing?

[tame lodge]

If you want to spam light then get the XIIIg with wrath

Or a Rashad combat axe

Kek

[cold thistle]

Shred and Wrath? or does Veteran not like crit?

[hollow ibex]

Kickback

[gritty furnace]

thank

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn weapon though

[tame lodge]

Chainsword crits don't fall off when cleaving so shred is appreciated

Although

20% crit is kinda low

Might need to use Reciprocity talent

[cold thistle]

I am using reciprocity. Does Veteran have any way to refill his ability. Kinda wanna spam shout

[atomic zephyr]

yes

middle tree

i forget what its called

tactical awareness?

[last parcel]

tactical awareness yes

[atomic zephyr]

6s back for every special kill

[last parcel]

you have it in your build right now

[cold thistle]

You're right, I forgot curio perks exist so i can get an extra 12% there

What curios does Vet like, 2x toughness and Stam?

[gritty furnace]

[low pagoda]

better agripinaa VIII OR graia IV ?

[tame lodge]

Graia goes brrrr
Agri hits hard and cleave

[tender inlet]

Good thing fatshark didn't rename anything, so all our past knowledge is definitely applicable and nothing will be confusing at all.

Thanks fatshark

[tall torrent]

200 health and 20% sniper resist
Everything else up to u

[slow spade]

Lol not using 3 wounds

Dying is a myth and your team always has your back 😎

[low pagoda]

i used maniac / flak fine right ?

[hollow ibex]

You don't stack toughness?

[slow spade]

Some people are very scared of snipers

[last parcel]

you only need 1 health curio and 3 perks for>200, so you could still do 2 toughness curios and 3 perks if you want

[slow spade]

Sadly vet can't toughness tank snipers anymore 😔

[hollow ibex]

Ugh perk slots are precious. Idk if I can spare any perk slots lol

[balmy flume]

Be like me, take Shout ability, Toughness Curios *3 AND Sniper resistance *3.
Shout and tell Snipers to eat shit.

Middle keystone to tag snipers for extra ranged damage

[last parcel]

well >200 and the sniper resist are so you don’t instantly die if you fuck up avoiding a burster/sniper after being downed. if you can’t spare perks for that, you’ll still be fine in most cases

[last parcel]

that's the gold toughness from shout tanking the snipers, not the curios

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I'd have to take a look at my curios again

[balmy flume]

Ok true

[strange crow]

That’s what I run but some ppl argue for health over stam

[balmy flume]

I run 3 toughness

Then again I could be based on outdated info (way back when toughness on Vet was a no brainier)

[true jackal]

what ever keeps you alive the longest

[vital urchin]

Anyone else notice the Helbore marks have changed? Im assuming the new MK IIIa is the old MK1

[true jackal]

different for everyone

[last parcel]

I --> IIIa
II --> V
III --> IV

[vital urchin]

Thank you 🙏

[last parcel]

you can honestly do whatever you want, but the current info is in the Curios and Defense section of the vet guide in the ms word link from the pinned message

[toxic leaf]

stam if you happen to be using deadshot otherwise toughness

[somber axle]

Triple Stamina curios is funny for Deadshot memes with automatic weapons but if you're wanting to be more serious 1 HP and 2 Toughness or 1 HP, 1 Toughness, 1 Stam net you the HP breakpoint with HP perks and 1 perk for Sniper resist while still leaving you plenty of perk options to choose for other things

You could honestly get away with using Deadshot with only 1 or 2 stam curios depending on the weapon and still meet the HP breakpoint

[sullen scarab]

how did the game turn the one on the left into the one on the right lmao

[topaz lance]

I always run one stam curio. Dunno, kust makes not getting hit in the first place much easier

[radiant adder]

Best power sword setup?

[last parcel]

swedish math. they're working on a fix

[sullen scarab]

My life is ruined

I'll never forgive the swedish math

[trim steppe]

For real? That's nuts

I've had them shift 1 point but not 4

[plucky lichen]

a liiiiiiiitle close. just a little

that Krak Grenade was like... 0.1 second away from failing the mission man

[last parcel]

plenty of time

[plucky lichen]

5 seconds isnt a lot of time lad. not on a HI-STG.

let alone - the krak grenade, shield still goes up if the boss dies, and it came back up pretty much the frame the boss died.