veteran-class

[lusty shuttle]

anyone got a good krak grenade build with weapon suggestions

[blissful cliff]

also i noticed you can shoot the Bistol a lot faster in ADS than you can HIPFIRE

[austere mica]

Because it’s a braced stance

Or smth

Idk

[blissful cliff]

Actually, you're right

When you ADS you hold it with two hands versus one

Which let's you control the recoil more, hence a quicker firerate

[oblique cedar]

hello any Krieg larpers around? im looking into helbore build and cant decide on blessings, im thinking armorbane and hot shot, but surgical and weight of fire also sound very good also not sure how useful that hot shot cleave actually is in practice

[full nacelle]

surgical + weight of fire is the way to go

hot shot is cool in concept and pretty meh in practice

[last parcel]

well for krieg larpers, hotshot applies to bayonet too

surgical wof is the normal setup
armourbane is mid
mk V shoots pretty fasty on its own and can get away with skipping wof

[oblique cedar]

armourbane is mid
I hate to read this

also why is there one mark that doesnt even use the bayonet and just slams with the gun itself, wth is this FS 💀

[pseudo fiber]

The rage taking over

[full nacelle]

Anyone have a vraks mk3 headhunter build they enjoy? It's the only gun family I don't have a build for. Doesn't even have to be for veteran.

[split grove]

Is rashad on vet also dumb

[last parcel]

very

[split grove]

Beside powsword and rashad any other strong melees

Like is shovel like ogryn shovel

[oblique cedar]

vet shovel is not ogryn shovel strong but its still very good

[split grove]

Does vet also have crit knife?

Or crit ds4

Wait i just realized vet has heavy swords now

[granite edge]

crit knife and ds4 are pretty strong on vet imo

especially if you go the right side with weapon specialist

[split grove]

Ye i have been introduced to the crit side of things

If i wanna use columnus autogun and need a cara deleter which wep to use

[blissful cliff]

Bold of you to assume the Columnus isn't a cara deleter <.<

[split grove]

Maybe i building it wrong then

Whats the build for column

Talent tree perk blessing

Sry im new to vet talents

[oblique cedar]

everything with high rate of fire is cara deleter on vet if you take Onslaught

[split grove]

Onslaught is right side?

[oblique cedar]

yea

[split grove]

I c i probably missed it

Do u take cara on the autogun?

Or will onslaught be enuff

[frail skiff]

Uh... is that 57% supposed to happen?

[blissful cliff]

it's a bug

[oblique cedar]

iirc I run flak and maniacs, usually works well enough vs cara with just onslaught

[split grove]

Ok

For shredder nades to get the stagger i need to get it at point blank?

For caras

[frail skiff]

This bug is going to drive me up a wall

[last parcel]

i've tried it a few ways and i mostly enjoyed it with ws and melee focus. makes nice use of crit and fire rate increase. DA crits with rending strikes and +maniac lets you kill flamers in 2/3 of the burst in case your recoil control sucks (like mine lol)

you can swap CQKZ for duty and honour to be normal

[frail skiff]

I've got a MK VII build that I've been using

Use it as a general anti-special/ranged clearer and it's been working out fine

[grand perch]

Ah yes, the "karking weapon specialist" star sign

[frail skiff]

If you're inclined, you can take everything below superiority complex and switch it for all nodes in Focus Target

I'm mainly farming the penance for kills at 10 stacks

Decent ammo economy

[spark helm]

Are vigilant autoguns DMR's?

[last parcel]

yes

[frail skiff]

More or less

[spark helm]

Mm.

[last parcel]

3 is a 3 burst 9 is a 2 burst

[spark helm]

How do they fare? I've been leveling up different weapons between my classes and I figured I'd start messing with the vigilant and braced autoguns.

Maybe boltguns, idk.

Tried recon lasguns again. I still don't like them but know that they've gotten better. Just not my thing. Sadge.

I like the idea of angry piss gun.

Eventually, I'll get back to shotguns. Been having a blast with the new system as it is now (for now) so that's pretty good. Being low on money but high on variety is nice.

[last parcel]

if you can hit headshots they're good at picking off elites/specials but are a bit talent hungry. if you can't hit headshots/control the burst to hit heads on the III and IX, a lot less good. make sure you have a high stability roll if you're using one of the burst ones

[spark helm]

Fair enough.

I don't really miss headshots often unless I'm just firing into crowds. Been meaning to mess with marksman focus more since it's been a while and I genuinely love the gunplay builds I come up with.

It's time to do something that isn't infantry lasgun. I'll still be playing my sharpshooter builds for the time being until I go insane with shotties.

Got any builds you've come to like? I'm deciding right now to go with hellbores again or just go into the vigilants.

[last parcel]

i mostly use them as a supporting tool for melee weapon specialist that i put earlier in chat. i haven't made a proper marksman build with them in a while

[spark helm]

Volley fire and focus target are usually my go-to

Volley fire with counterfire in particular

Since I just like popping shooters

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/whack-a-mole-gif-8064490

[frail skiff]

I just had a game where a chaos spawn spawned, we killed it, and after walking forward 10 feet a second one spawned where the first one spawned

[frail skiff]

Literally

Anyone got any good shotgun builds?

[flat crypt]

here's something i like to run with my slug shotty

[last parcel]

double barrel manstopper paired with weapon specialist and the always prepared subnode
the rest is up to you

[frail skiff]

Just 1 stack rounds up to 1 ammo?

[last parcel]

yes

[frail skiff]

Oh dear

So the doom guy build

[last parcel]

pretty much

[frail skiff]

I haven't actually used the Double barrel. What's it good at clearing?

[pseudo fiber]

Anything that isn't a crusher or boss

[carmine ermine]

whats a good intro veteran build or weapons i should use? Im new and around lvl 16

[pseudo fiber]

Voice of command is the go too

Just don't crutch on it

[carmine ermine]

im just trying a bunch of weapons to see what i like, any good melee weapons i should try?

[pseudo fiber]

Shovel is always good
Heavy sword
Chainsword

[flat crypt]

pretty much every weapon has it's place, up to you how you wanna play. Just experiment and have fun

[low notch]

Somebody proposed to me that apparently Born Leader only shares the toughness gained from kills

Sounds sus, anybody know anything about that?

[last parcel]

it just doesn’t share toughness from coherency
it shares regen from nonkills (base voc, ws on your toes, etc) just fine

uh fine as in functions, not fine as in this is a good synergy

[low notch]

That clears it up, thanks!

[junior needle]

Didn't they say they fixed this awhile back?

[last parcel]

i’ll have to check again

[split grove]

i want to path to this node but idk what to drop at all

using column autogun

top side

or should i drop focus target to go to weapon spec?

for veteran curios do u go 1 stam 2 tough or 3 tough?

[earnest bone]

you dont need stam if you arent using Deadshot

[frail skiff]

Try this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/stormtrooper-veteran-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist-auric-ready

[split grove]

is krak nade for the monstro dps?

[earnest bone]

it also capable of AoE crushers/maulers and bulwarks

if they are tightly packed

as for monsters, not only the damage is insane

it also a stunlock

you can free someone from grab or also use this DPS window

[frail skiff]

Crusher? Krak grenade

Chaos spawn munching on your psyker?

Krak Grenade

Krak Grenade?

Krak Grenade

[split grove]

get back in the fight or catch a breath

[keen elk]

"I didn't ask what kind of enemy it is, I said I throw a krak grenade."

[split grove]

do i want reciprocity with autogun?

do i drop grenade tinkerer?

[frail skiff]

Sounds like that one Wrath & Glory session I had

[split grove]

cos i can do the zealot dodge spam thing with the autogun

[earnest bone]

Reciprocity is great, you can easily ramp it up from avoiding ranged attacks

[keen elk]

Gives real "I don't care about room size, I cast Fireball" vibes

[split grove]

drop the 50% dmg on krak?

i have no clue how much that 50% is actually increasing it

[earnest bone]

its serves only as a monster damage boost

other targets are oneshots

[split grove]

so without it kraks wont 1 shot?

[earnest bone]

if you want it or not depends on you

[split grove]

but they'll be low hp

[earnest bone]

well bosses are like 60k HP

[split grove]

I mean not bosses

[earnest bone]

no

it will oneshot any target even without passive

[split grove]

ok cool

then it's reciprocity

[frail skiff]

"See that direction over there?"
"Yes."
"I don't want too."
"Yes sir, removing that direction."

[split grove]

i go with a crit chance flak

On the autogun

dumdum firefrenzy

should be fine?

[earnest bone]

Drop crit for maniac or unyelding

[split grove]

hm...

[earnest bone]

also Deathspitter is a better version of Fire Frenzy

if the gun has access to it

always use it over FF

[split grove]

for the autogun do i dump stability?

[earnest bone]

mobility

[split grove]

ok

[frail skiff]

9 out of 10 times Mobility or Defences are the dump stat depending on the weapon

Helbor dump stat is stability

[split grove]

ok

[keen elk]

Trying to figure out if recon lasgun is still good

[earnest bone]

its insanely good

[keen elk]

I like going brrt with my flashlight gun

[frail skiff]

It's great with onslaught

[keen elk]

Is the technique still to buy greys till you get a good roll, then level it up at Hadron?

[frail skiff]

That's what I generally do

I also check the shop to see if anything good is there

Along with Melk

Found a perfect rolled bolt pistol earlier today

Just need to spend some point to get it to 500

[keen elk]

I've got a few 490s

No 500 yet

[vast whale]

I am one 500 away from having the perfect set of all weapons. 😿

[split grove]

what is considered close range

for the purposes of dumdum

[pseudo fiber]

12.5m

[thick wolf]

on a scale of 1 to 10 how fucked is my grenadier talent tree

[pseudo fiber]

What is focus target really adding to this build

[edgy fable]

that tree looks pretty cursed

[slow spade]

Indeed, needs the team damage buff

If you don't get the damage buff, focus target is eh

[grand perch]

It's also a 1 point grab, i dont See the issue

Switch determined to the skill left of it, precision strike iirc. You already have exec stance when you need suppression immunity. And grenades to lob at groups of gunners

Oh, and the reload speed talent at the top (forgot the name right now) should be changed to out for blood to its right

[serene bough]

why not give up FT + rending strikes for 1 extra grenade

you're building around grenades, may as well take another

[tiny summit]

Weakness. Embrace the vape.

[serene bough]

Vape god

[thick wolf]

because I like having some vague tiny help against crushers with my boltpistol?

I already got twinned blast

well, after posting that picture

[broken gazelle]

[thick wolf]

also I had to take FT as a pure obligation of at least getting a keystone, I used to run marksman with it till the update destroyed my old talent trees

[broken gazelle]

I'm trying out the right hand keystone(?) and enjoyin' it quite a bit

[thick wolf]

tho if I would take out rending, I want to take either target down or redirect fire

[broken gazelle]

I maxed shovel mastery and now I feel dirty for using a non shovel weapon

[strange crow]

Just curious, but do you need grenade tinkerer for shredder frags? Iirc they mostly deal damage through the bleed stacks which are unchanged with tinkerer

[thick wolf]

bigger radius

[strange crow]

I mean yeah but is 2 talent points really worth it

Idk sorry that’s just my 2 cents

[broken gazelle]

I switched to Frag recently. Not sure if I like em.

[tiny summit]

Its Darktide. Its not making or breaking anything

Twinned Blast is funny

Toss down 2 frags on any moshpit of elites and they all fall

[strange crow]

Real

[tiny summit]

You either use 1 for space, 2 for a mixed mob or all 3 because why not?

Or even 4, 5 or 6 depending on talent/modifier

[plucky kite]

did they not fix the power sword in the patch?

I didn't see it anywhere

[tiny summit]

What was wrong?

[plucky kite]

in the notes

[plucky kite]

the chain energized attacks perk sometimes randomly stops working

and instead of being 3 energized hits its just one

[tiny summit]

Ah havent played enough of the new patch

[plucky kite]

like it stops working mid match

[thick wolf]

if only the chance of that happening is a bit higher

[broken gazelle]

Does anybody have a talent they find it hard to live without?
Event though it's not that big a deal?
That's me with suppression immunity

[split grove]

which shovel to use

[broken gazelle]

I'm a MkVII enjoyer.

Good sweeping heavies
And the folded head heavy is a strong downward smash that 1shots Mutants

[split grove]

ok i'll try it

[broken gazelle]

Love me shovel 🫂

The shove->left click is pretty nice too.

[uneven nest]

hello, im a bit new to the game so sorry i dont know, id like to ask what is a godroll weapon? for columnus for example, i know a 4x 80 percent weapon can drop but i am not sure which stat to dump

[split grove]

dump defenses or mobility 90% of the time

there u go

[tiny summit]

Mobility is usually the dump stat because the bonus you get after like 50/60 is minimal

[uneven nest]

okay, thanks a lot, i had high stats everywhere except ammo so that was a bit of a problem

[tiny summit]

Ammo wouldnt be a dump but its also not the worse thing to have on the road to get a better weapon. On a IAG its like at most missing like a mag and lil more

[uneven nest]

does dumping mobility count for lets say combat knife too?

[tiny summit]

Yes

[split grove]

its 90% of weapons

[tiny summit]

When you inspect the weapon, different stats have thresholds. Mobility has like a threshold of valid dodges. You have the highest amount of dodges at like 50/60

[broken gazelle]

I'm workin on revolver mastery but I miss my Lasgun

[split grove]

revolver shooting through a horde and killing a special behind it not doing it for u?

[tiny summit]

My revolver was basically done when the update launched. Sacrificed like 2 revolvers and it was maxed

[broken gazelle]

It can penetrate?

[tiny summit]

Yes

[split grove]

lol yea

[broken gazelle]

Now that sounds fun

[split grove]

it shoots through all targets and hits the special behind it

[tiny summit]

You can kill an entire shotgun squad lined up with 1 shot

[split grove]

if u line up gunners it kills all

[tough flower]

Big iron

[tame lodge]

6.5 cleave

[broken gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-cowboy-shooting-gun-gif-15317612

In that case....

[tiny summit]

The fanning one has less

[broken gazelle]

There's a fanning one too?
Oh lordy

[tiny summit]

Lmao

[hearty panther]

yea but its much cooler

[broken gazelle]

(I've played since day 1, ignore my ignorance)

[zenith helm]

anyone know what version of the hellbore and shovel are best atm?

[slow spade]

I don't even know what mark covers which Helbore anymore

[tiny summit]

Helbore is pick what feels right for you on whether you're fine with a shitty bayonet and crusher killing or good bayonet and slower crusher killing

Just the speed of charge

[slow spade]

I know they got buffed

[broken gazelle]

I hate helbore so much.
I want to like it, but I just can't use it properly.

[tiny summit]

Why did they have to change the helbore marks...it was so easy before

[slow spade]

Because they use less ammo on minimum charge

[zenith helm]

yeah exactly

i dont remember which one i used to use

[tiny summit]

Helbore best gunspear

[zenith helm]

i used to use it like a year ago

[stuck gorge]

All I remember is that the least m1 dmg hellbore has highest charge dmg

[zenith helm]

now i just need to level it up to mastery

im 1 level short

[broken gazelle]

I just want a high powered single shot gun
Not a charge cannon

[zenith helm]

idk which to use

which shovel is best atm?

[tiny summit]

Pick one, go into the psyk and see if its the one with the bayonet stab

[broken gazelle]

I love MkVII
But I only play on Malice so no idea if it's endgame viable

[slow spade]

Just realized I bever learned the shoveld

[tiny summit]

All 3 shovels are good. The folding ones if you want its special for high dmg single target and their difference is attack pattern. The non folding is a good get off me stick

[blazing notch]

I like the standard (or whatever its called now)

[broken gazelle]

I am a shovel connoisseur

Mk7 has horde clear
AND armoured target deletion in transformed mode. ❤️

[strange crow]

Wait ok anyone know when you get max effective dodges for catachan blade? Mine is 80 in everything else and mobility 59 😭

[rose rivet]

can anyone share a talent build please

[strange crow]

What kind of play style are you looking for?

[rose rivet]

im looking for a balanced build where i main melee and snipe elite and specials with guns

[zenith helm]

MK4 is best just tested it

[somber axle]

Helbore Mk I -> Helbore Mk IIIa
Helbore Mk II -> Helbore Mk V
Helbore Mk III -> Helbore Mk IV

[zenith helm]

hits the hardest

[broken gazelle]

I spend 90% of the time in melee so I went down the Weapon Specialist route.

[somber axle]

The II/V is my fav

You can build it to 2-3 shot Crushers too

[rose rivet]

do you guys recommend buying weapons before hitting lvl 30? im level 8

[strange crow]

Buy them from Brunt’s Armory but not the Requisitorium

[vague smelt]

How good are dueling sword as veteran?

[rose rivet]

whats a good gun for sniping?

[zenith helm]

and MK3 shovel is best

1 shots crusher

harder to use because of swing pattern

but heavy light worksw

[strange crow]

Kantrael XII I would say

Nice sight picture, high single target damage, a slower rate of fire than other lasguns so you can pace your shots better, it’s a lasgun so pairs with crits and has access to headhunter, etc

[forest maple]

So what did the hotfix change with the weapon stats? My weapons still show a tiny gray line even at 80%, or is that now what was fixed?

[tiny summit]

I would assume pretty good since we have precision strikes

[slow spade]

Buy from brunt so you don't get blown the fuck out

[broken gazelle]

Kantrael IX is my goto sniper
It used to be called XII

[slow spade]

The Kantreal MK9 is beaten by the Kantreal MG LA for general purpose

But MK9 probably kills in fewer shots

[rose rivet]

whats a good melee for vet?

[broken gazelle]

If it can't kill in 1 shot I don't want it 😎

[forest maple]

Power sword, rashad combat axe, shovel, dueling sword, combat knife, chain axe, chainsword heavy sword

[strange crow]

You’re trying to clear hordes iirc right? I’d say catachan mk vi combat blade, standard shovel or mk vipower sword can all work really well

[broken gazelle]

I started using the shock mace recently
Being able to stun dangerous enemies like Ragers/Maulers is really nice.

[tame lodge]

Former Vraks 7
Think it's Vigilant Graia something now

[slow spade]

Power sword is bugged at the moment

[pliant prawn]

welp time to try on overwatch ... again .....

[slow spade]

But once they unfuck it, its really good

[tiny summit]

Havent played enough with the shock maul to have an opinion. Game was running like ass for a while. Turns out at some point MSI Afterburner put my gpu at minimum power

[broken gazelle]

With alt fire you shock their balls and they can't do anything for a few seconds.

Muties are immune sadly

[sharp jackal]

Is armourbane worth on the helbore?

[slow spade]

Imo no

The only thing charged helbores don't clear out are crushers

Which only take 2-3 shots instead

[sharp jackal]

I see

[patent slate]

So helbores are still busted?

[pliant prawn]

THIS IS THE WORST PENANCE EVER DESIGNED

[patent slate]

Best blessings on the infantry lasguns?

[split grove]

mk7 perk blessings?

shovel

[slow spade]

They're buffed so better than before c:

[slow spade]

Deadly Accurate + Headhunter

[pliant prawn]

wait i just completed on overwatch even tho i let like 3 hits sneak by me

does it mean don't take health damage from melee?

[slow spade]

Yes

[pliant prawn]

fucking dumb

thought i couldnt be hit once

[novel stone]

Carapace or flak for the recon las?

[pliant prawn]

was quitting every mission where i got hit once

[slow spade]

It says that in the penance

[pliant prawn]

yes

but as i just said

i let 3 hits sneak by me but they only hit my toughness

yet i still completed it

aka misleading

[novel stone]

Same

[slow spade]

Indeed, as the penance stated

Unless they changed the text

[novel stone]

Cause if you're taking damage to your toughness you're not actually taking damage

Cause it's not permanent

Taking damage is actually getting your health hurt

[pliant prawn]

i feel like that;s a lie

[tribal viper]

What's the dumpstat for chainsword?

[pliant prawn]

there;s chip damage for your health

[novel stone]

Now once again
Flak or carapace for recon las?

[novel stone]

Mob

[tribal viper]

ok cheers

[slow spade]

Crit because Shocktrooper means more damage

[novel stone]

If your toughness gets low enough yeah

[slow spade]

Toughness is % based

100% toughness = 100% melee damage ignored

[novel stone]

Huh? Never in my life has someone told me to put a crit perk on a weapon

[slow spade]

Recon is different, its ammo AND damage is based on crit

So increasing crit is increasing both

[novel stone]

So damage or change?

Chance*

[slow spade]

I would go crit chance

[slow spade]

Ah text wasn't changed

[pliant prawn]

[tame lodge]

Agrivolver

[novel stone]

Absolutely NOT

[tame lodge]

[tribal viper]

because you wouldn't want to use the rev all too often, would this be worth?

[slow spade]

If agri revolver had more cleave I'd like it more

[pliant prawn]

🤢

[broken gazelle]

I need to shovel

[novel stone]

Definitely not bad but rev is still very worth

[tame lodge]

That's the XIIIg you want to rev as often

[tribal viper]

Ah ok

[slow spade]

Rev is good sadly

[novel stone]

Mob is the dump stat

[slow spade]

Just make sure to dodge if they're swinging

[broken gazelle]

I yearn to shovel

[tawny badger]

rev is good wdym

[tame lodge]

So change the mark

[novel stone]

Speaking of dump stat, is stability the dump on recon las?

[tribal viper]

Reading the pinned guide and it says rev is very risky so /shrug

[slow spade]

No its collateral

Collateral ONLY affects stagger and suppression which are bad for recon

[novel stone]

Huh

Fair enough

[tawny badger]

You still want it to deal with armored targets and quickly dispose of muties

[novel stone]

I have a new las to get then

[true jackal]

shovelmaxxing is pretty fun

[tribal viper]

So, for a general all-rounder, what weapons should i be using? I haven't played in quite a while

[strange crow]

Anyone know the dodge breakpoint for catachan mk vi knife?

[slow spade]

Stability is actually pretty important because recon has high inaccuracy after firing for a while

[novel stone]

Power sword is likely the best melee in the game if you get PS on it

And plasma gun is an easy weapon , revolver is also great

Bolt gun is good if you have a really good melee

[slow spade]

If you want easy to use, Power Sword + Plasma

[tribal viper]

Ok great thank you 🙂 I'll look into getting those for now then

[true jackal]

melee weapon wise, I am a fan of the shovel defensively, the chainswords are also pretty good imo, the power sword is very strong but it's mobility is low so that can fuck you if you aren't used to it

[novel stone]

If you get used to it tho

Mm Mmm

[true jackal]

I have def fucked myself becuase I habitually shimmy dodge esp with horizontal heavies

[slow spade]

Be aware power sword is bugged atm so its nowhere near as good as it used to be

[patent slate]

What’s a really really good weapon for the veteran rn

[true jackal]

all of them

[broken gazelle]

SHOVEL

[tawny badger]

does it? I haven’t really been having accuracy trouble w/ the VIc

[broken gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/smack-rick-grimes-shovel-season1-gif-14559596

[novel stone]

Plasma is kinda cheese so if you don't want whiny teammates not rezing you or yapping use revolver but use what you like so long as it doesn't absolutely suck

[slow spade]

Rashad Combat Axe + Zarona Revolver + Weapon Specialist

If you want literally the best

[true jackal]

oh yeah, the rashad is still busted

I forgor

thing is incredible all round

[novel stone]

Busted how

[patent slate]

I never used it

[novel stone]

And why have I never used it

[patent slate]

How so

[slow spade]

The sword powers off when hit + energizing the sword doesn't refresh the buff

[true jackal]

still has shitloads of cleave with BM and does very good single target

the rashads swing pattern works incredibly well with bm

[novel stone]

I have an axe to level

What's the dump stat

[true jackal]

uh, probably mobilty

[novel stone]

Figured

[slow spade]

The rashad kills faster than the power sword with no downside BUT it needs a lot of points

[true jackal]

mobility is like 90% of weapons dump stat tbf

execpt for the couple guns that dump collat

[novel stone]

I know but you gotta be sure

[true jackal]

fair

[slow spade]

The main reason why power sword is so good is because it needs no skill point investment

[novel stone]

Just got a perfect one

[tiny summit]

No more gambla for the god roll rashad. Its now an end goal

[slow spade]

Rashad needs attack speed

[novel stone]

60 mob 80 everything else

[novel stone]

Well NOW it doesn't

Spent forever getting ps 4

[tiny summit]

First Power Sword I leveled. Got PC4 and Sunder

[slow spade]

I meant skill point investment sorry I should have clarified

[true jackal]

honestly I have been using the mk3 one without it now, but I need to try the other mark with it

mk3 with sluaght + bm spaming heavies is excelent clear even w/o the charge

[slow spade]

Mk6 power sword is strictly superior to the mk3

[true jackal]

i've heard, one of the things that has suprised me after coming back

[slow spade]

Due to weird balance changes made to the power swords

[true jackal]

mk6 wants PC and what? slaught?

[slow spade]

For some reason, Heavy energized attacks do the same damage as Lights

[tame lodge]

[slow spade]

Oh shit nice, I need to give it a go then

[true jackal]

I just want to be able to fucken ads and have a speed loader

[slow spade]

Yeah that was my main issue as a poxwalker would clip a shot for a trapper or something

[slow spade]

Power Cycler + Brutal Momentum

The main reason why mk6 is better is Light attacks are strictly superior for power sword + Mk6 has a built-in -25% block cost

[novel stone]

Does the Mark for the Rashad matter?

[true jackal]

rashad is the name of the type unless they fucken changed it

[slow spade]

Rashad Combat Axe

Tactical lacks the damage

[novel stone]

Yeah what mark

Ooohh

I see

[merry fossil]

Mk3 (previous Mk2)

[true jackal]

antax and achylls are the other 2 "marks" iirc

[novel stone]

Ngm

Yeah I get it my fault og

[slow spade]

Pretty sure there's only 1 Rashad combat axe

[thick wolf]

got that bolt pistol mastery skin, such festive

[novel stone]

You're right there is

[true jackal]

they did change a lot of names around tbf

[slow spade]

Oh ok I was about to get scared I was using the wrong one lol

[true jackal]

columnus is like the vraks or smthing now?

[merry fossil]

Yeah, but Rashad is still Rashad, only number changed

[novel stone]

I heard the bolt pistol is doing good rn

[merry fossil]

Vraks V

[novel stone]

But to me all the blessings seem mid

[slow spade]

Yes Vraks Mark V

[slow spade]

Deadly Accurate + Surgical is mid?

[true jackal]

puncture is kinda nice as well, but deadly + surgical is def more damage

[novel stone]

The bolt pistol does not have surgical does it

I litterally just checked it

[slow spade]

It does

[thick wolf]

it does

[novel stone]

Killing myself right now

[deft lotus]

Is the only way to get a 500 from melk?

[true jackal]

[thick wolf]

although I run mine with lethal prox + puncture

[novel stone]

No, level up weapons

[thick wolf]

with grenade tinkerer, the shredder name becomes the CE grenade in just radius alone

[true jackal]

w/o upgrades probably, but you can upgrade any weapon into it

[novel stone]

Master them then empower them at hadeon

[jaunty sphinx]

Kinda odd that they swapped the names of vraks and columnus still

[slow spade]

No you have to level up Mastery to unlock higher power levels

[deft lotus]

I have maxed mastery on vigilant autoguns but only get around 330 from brunt

[merry fossil]

You'd get better with Brunt's, he got better stat spread

[true jackal]

yeah you have to manually upgrade it

[merry fossil]

And initial spread is more important than initial pwr lvl (unless you are very poor in plasteel/Dockets)

[slow spade]

Be aware that upgrading is expensive

[jaunty sphinx]

Brunts are lower level but have better stat spreads

[slow spade]

130 plasteel for +10 power level

[true jackal]

it's like 1k plasteel for 10 going from 300 to 400

then like 1200 for 400 to 500

[jaunty sphinx]

I've gotten like 3 perfect stat weapons from him now just checking in from time to time

[deft lotus]

Wdym stat spreads? The guns i got from melk have pretty even stats across the board

[merry fossil]

I've almost all sets of 8-8-8-8-6 I need across all chars, thanks to Brunt. Zero from Melk.

[novel stone]

I knew something like that would happen Soni didn't spend ANY plasteel when they announced the update

[deft lotus]

Armory or the old store?

[slow spade]

Melk is for new players to get a headstart now

And buying curios

[merry fossil]

Melk stats are weird.
Brunt store could sell a perfect roll of 80-80-80-60-80.

[deft lotus]

Thats 380? Is that the max?

[true jackal]

which is 80% in every stat save one which will be 60%

[merry fossil]

(max stats, of course. Initial are lower)

[merry fossil]

yes

[thick wolf]

or this

literally 0% damage knife

the blade is dull

[true jackal]

toothpick knife

[heavy rover]

That's a toothpick

[thick wolf]

its not even dull, it's fucking plastic

[merry fossil]

Why are you bringing cooking utensils to the battlefield?

[thick wolf]

I have a knife that's literally called kitchen knife

[deft lotus]

And you get this perfect roll from the armory or the old random store?

[merry fossil]

With blessings to make the tomatoes bleed?

[true jackal]

i've gotten both

[thick wolf]

how the hell did you know that my stealth vet's knife has lacerate

[merry fossil]

Most of those I got after Unlocked, just constantly checking Brunt store (normal, not a random one)

[true jackal]

getting "perfect" rolls is way way easier since you only care about the spred

[deft lotus]

Spread meaning the max potential of each right?

[true jackal]

ye

[deft lotus]

I get it

[thick wolf]

like, how

how did you guess that correctly

also yeah ik rip finesse

[merry fossil]

All of those (except plasma) are perfect rolls.

[deft lotus]

Bro i was still looking at the current values when i spent all my EmperorCoins 🚀 on profane autoguns

[thick wolf]

old knife

[merry fossil]

And like almost all of those are bought after U&L (therefore, not Gold yet - I'm not swimming in dockets&plasteel RN)

(perfect rolls for Vet - mob 60 / ammo 60 sometimes, I'm too lazy to find ideal percentage)

[true jackal]

though i'll note that sometimes the ui bugs out when upgrading and you end up with different number then the spread initally said, but it should either be close enough or literally the same

[patent slate]

Would an infantry lasgun with the Rashad be a good match?

[merry fossil]

what are you planning to do with IL?

[patent slate]

IL?

[merry fossil]

Infantry Lasgun

[patent slate]

oh

Jus like shoot stuff in the distance

snipers

Uh

Maybe ragers maulers

I’m thinking of going weapon specialist

[deft lotus]

Tbh i think the sword with parry is the optimal melee bc you get horde immunity

[merry fossil]

Rashad is good general melee. Not the fastest (Chainsword mk 13 is better); but decent vs almost all armor.
For ragers/maulers IAG is better than IL, I believe.

[true jackal]

claw is def underrated, main thing holding it back is armor damage

[patent slate]

what are the IAGs again

[true jackal]

(but zealot can do funny things with it 🙂 )

[merry fossil]

Weapon specialist is, for example, IAG/Chainsword (without modifying keystone further).
If you want to play with autoloader part of Weapon Specialist, then Zarona/SuperShotgun are fun too

[deft lotus]

Put that on your primary and use the sword for enemies not worth ammo

[merry fossil]

Infantry Autogun. Vraks V, for example (earlier known as Columnus 5).

[true jackal]

aye, bolter + claw was pretty fun, I imagine plas claw is fun as well

[merry fossil]

Best for ammo-dumping in close/middle range, but not great at counter-sniping

[patent slate]

Ohh yea the auto guns kinda go crazy with infiltrate

[pliant prawn]

i need a fast reloading weapon for some of these penances, lasgun is letting me down with the reload downtime. what reloads fast?

[tame lodge]

Agripina (goated)
Vraks 5 (Former Ciag)
Columnus (Former Graia)

[patent slate]

Especially the braced auto guns

[merry fossil]

autogun/agri revlover

[thick wolf]

weird livery skin for the double barrel but the barrel length extender is appreciated

[restive rock]

I can never get the hang of the claw. I’m not really sure how to use it or what it’s good at

[thick wolf]

claw is mainly horde clearer

[merry fossil]

speshul parry

and clearing

[true jackal]

it's good a horde clear and dueling ragers and maulers

[patent slate]

What are the infantry lasguns used for

[thick wolf]

wait maulers?

[merry fossil]

I guess, for Exe builds?

And general counter-shooters gameplay?

[topaz lance]

I think the db mark we currently have is the shortest. They'll add more long range ones later probably.

[patent slate]

No like just overall cause they seem like they do everything

[thick wolf]

don't dclaw struggle against carapace since maulers wear carapace faceplates

[true jackal]

not gonna kill them mad fast but any human sized melee guy can be trivalized with the claw

[patent slate]

Oh wait

Yea nvm I’m stupid

[true jackal]

ogryn sized as well but you aren't gonna kill a crusher with it on vet

[restive rock]

Are there good combos for dclaw vs hordes? Light spam?

[deft lotus]

You should use the krak on crushers

[true jackal]

depends on the mk

[patent slate]

should I pick up the helbores then or the bolter

[deft lotus]

If you have parry just spam that + mega cleave traits i think

[true jackal]

they are all almost excatly the same damage values but have different move sets

[merry fossil]

Hel 2/3 are good. 1 is less so in my experience. (again, for mostly-ranged build). Pick up Showel, and do Krieg proud.

[patent slate]

Yea I used to use the helbores but I thought they fell off

[merry fossil]

Hel 2/3 allows Exe stance build with rather long upkeep if enemy density is good enough.

[true jackal]

the bayonet on them the 1 and 2 are actually pretty good as well iirc

[slow spade]

Their bayonets got nerfed but still good

[merry fossil]

(but I still find Exe stance weakest of Vet ults)

[patent slate]

What talents should I take for the Rashad axe

[merry fossil]

talents?

[slow spade]

It used to be +50% damage

[patent slate]

Yea same ngl I’ve been a big fan of infiltrate for a good while now

[true jackal]

what you'd take normally

it's a pretty general weapon

[slow spade]

The +10% attack speed node

[patent slate]

I thought it needed like talents to be good

[slow spade]

Yes its far away

[patent slate]

Not like the power sword

where you just have it

[merry fossil]

no, Rashad is already good.

[slow spade]

But rashad is expensive

[round plover]

its the blessings that make it rlly good

[merry fossil]

Rashad/Power Sword/Chainsword are great as they are, you rarely need to made a "talent" build around them.

[round plover]

brutal momentum and headtaker iirc

[merry fossil]

Blessings are important, though. Bromentum/Headtaker for Rashad (for example), PowerCycler + whatever for PS, etc.

[slow spade]

Power Cycler + Brutal momentum

[topaz lance]

30% weakspot damage, finesse & crit buff one, melee attack speed

[slow spade]

I miss infinite cleave power sword

Rashad definitely needs points

[merry fossil]

Swap speed, if you do Weapon Specialist build but it's needed for every WS build, not Rashad-only

[slow spade]

But that's mostly for auric I suppose

[topaz lance]

Been running WS without it with no issues.

[slow spade]

Swap speed is only useful for helbore and bolter

[patent slate]

Btw strength is just an increase in damage right

[merry fossil]

yeah, "needed" is strong word, I concur.

[slow spade]

Damage, stagger, and something else

Its really good

[merry fossil]

I was running helbore without it, though, and Emprah, it was a slog...

[patent slate]

So should I take the marksman ability modifier then

[slow spade]

Idk which one that is

Like Marksmen Focus?

[patent slate]

The uh one that grants 20% strength for weak spot hits

[merry fossil]

MF is also weakest of Vet keystones, imho. 😦

[patent slate]

No not that

The ability modifier

[pliant prawn]

the autoguns im seeing have a 3+ second reload..

[merry fossil]

Precision strike? It's plain 30% weakspot dmg

[slow spade]

+30% weakspot damage?

That is good because it buffs your melee and ranged

[merry fossil]

gimme a sec to load in Psycanum.

[patent slate]

That

[idle swallow]

Precision strikes+mercy killer knife w/serrated blade is good times

[slow spade]

Oh lol

I straight up forgot that one

[patent slate]

On paper it sounds really good

[slow spade]

Its good but I see you don't have Iron Will

[thick wolf]

how the hell does lethal prox on a boltpistol somehow increase the shredder nade's radius

[slow spade]

There's better places to spend

[patent slate]

I went into the weapon specialist tree

[merry fossil]

IAG reload time is less then half of 5s Survivalist cooldown.
headhunter is a bit more than half of same cooldown

[slow spade]

"Increase explosive radius"

Thank you Fatshark 💪

[thick wolf]

combined with grenade tinkerer

[broken gazelle]

Same. I love it as a melee veteran.

[thick wolf]

its pretty much fighting to the ogryn bomb in terms of radius alone

[slow spade]

That's a pretty dangerous build to not have Iron Will but if you think you can handle it then go for it

[thick wolf]

and twinned blast, if you can throw two nades at the same time

[broken gazelle]

I used to go down the Focus tree
But then I realised I don't shoot gun enough to benefit from the effects.

[slow spade]

+30% weakspot and the +15% damage to elites are worth considering

As both apply to your melee too

[topaz lance]

I think I have some kind of condition. I cannot use any ability but exe stance. I used VoC to get the penance and don't even wanna touch stealth. I need exe stance in every build.

This has been the best update for me in terms of buffs to my preferred paystyle

[slow spade]

Well it got buffed so might as well try it

[patent slate]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d245060-e7c0-4119-ae0c-0cf2bbc168ac

This is what I came up with

Can someone rate this

[broken gazelle]

I'm trying to fit them in
But struggling

[tiny summit]

Weakspot bonus always sounds good on paper but its like eh. Even when using Exe its eh. You'd have a better time with most other things

[merry fossil]

Even on non-shooting build that dip into MF branch is decent

[broken gazelle]

I like the suppression immunity node

[tame lodge]

Suppression isn't real

[broken gazelle]

Nothing worse than trying to shoot someone with a wobbly reticule

[plucky kite]

is the power sword still broken?

[merry fossil]

Swap Covering Fire with Grenade Tinkerer

[topaz lance]

pro tip: use guns with built in immunity

[plucky kite]

also im gonna try building a shovel do y'all have any ideas/suggestions?

[patent slate]

That was a misclick

Whoops

[slow spade]

Not taking Tactical Awareness is wild

[merry fossil]

Also try to get a point to "onslaught", it's great for mag-dumping into heavy stuff

[slow spade]

You should consider dropping the Brittleness node

Rashad has near perfect armor pen

[thick wolf]

is fully loaded necessary for bolt pistol

[slow spade]

They have Rashad and Krak

[patent slate]

Oh true that

[slow spade]

They're fine

[tiny summit]

The higher dmg laspistol with agile engagement and weapon specialist is my favorite build atm. Get some ws stacks, swap to the laspistol and it domes the priority specialists

[merry fossil]

true, I guess. it's just one of the nodes that's stuck to me builds.

[slow spade]

Yeah its weird that Rashad has near perfect armor pen

2-3 hits to kill a crusher lol

[patent slate]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d245060-e7c0-4119-ae0c-0cf2bbc168ac

Updated

[topaz lance]

don't tell anyone, but Rashad has been low-key busted for a long time.

[nova bay]

mechanically? Well you cannot hold it charged indefinitely it seems by reactivating, but that's minor and possibly intended (that's how force swords work)
Balance wise? I think it's in a good place, you get giga damage and dunk on carapace, but your mobility is pretty awful (on top of having to activate it). The former can be compensated by the weapon mastery keystone, which is how I prefer to run it

[patent slate]

Damn should I get that 10% attack speed

node

[slow spade]

Wait swap back to attack speed

Rashads only real weakness is attack speed

Weapon Specialist is literally for the attack speed

[patent slate]

Yea that sprint node was for the ak

[slow spade]

Well I suppose you can just weapon swap

[merry fossil]

Maybe even swap Brauto for IAG.

[patent slate]

I thought the weapon spec would cover for the 10% melee

[merry fossil]

to get speed buff faster.

[slow spade]

Its mostly just weird it has better armor pen than helbores and stuff

[slow spade]

Rashad kills in 1 hit usually

[merry fossil]

there is no such thing as "too many weapon speed"

[slow spade]

So kill more

[true jackal]

tbf, the axes are "intended" as single target

[slow spade]

Yeah true

[merry fossil]

but Bromentum begs to differ

[slow spade]

Speaking about your axe, swap the Infested damage to Unarmored

[patent slate]

The ak sometimes feels like the most powerful thing ever to something that magdumps into a pox hound to finally kill it

[patent slate]

Unarmoured enemies are only like the snipers n bombers?

[slow spade]

Infested are assholes like that

[slow spade]

Dreg gunners, dreg shotgunners, scab bruisers, groaners

[topaz lance]

Bruiser one hit kill

[patent slate]

Thought they were flak

[slow spade]

Not their head

[patent slate]

Meat grinder lied to me

[slow spade]

Armor is limb based

[patent slate]

Didn’t know that

[slow spade]

Well not even limb actually

Fucking reapers

[patent slate]

So why are maulers flak and not carapace

[slow spade]

Carapace head

[thick wolf]

they're both

[slow spade]

Flak everywhere else

[thick wolf]

flak everywhere else but head

[patent slate]

Oh

[merry fossil]

Cara head, flak body, nothing on neck (i think?)

[thick wolf]

basically, the meaner version of the dreg bruiser

[patent slate]

Is the ak an even good choice for this

After using it for like 30 hours it seems so mid at times

[merry fossil]

try Vraks V iag

[patent slate]

So inconsistent

[merry fossil]

when you want biggest ranged dps, Vraks with dumdum/firefrenzy is nice enough for magdumping into something you don't want to melee.

[patent slate]

Is it a headhunter auto gun?

[merry fossil]

no, infantry

[patent slate]

O

[merry fossil]

headhunter is for Exe stuff, and counter-shooting and whatever.

infantry/brauto for more close and personal.

[patent slate]

I’m not seeing it on the builder

Did it get renamed

[merry fossil]

Yeah, it's listed under old name Columnus V

but now it's Vraks V.

[patent slate]

Ah

The gun psyker weapon

it’s Ight

But i think at close range the ak is better

It’s just at mid range it falls off

Heavily

[merry fossil]

it's fast, it's packing a punch. I'm not sure I have a brauto on my vet yet to compare, but on damnation psychanum it takes...

[broken gazelle]

[merry fossil]

10-12 "headshots" (without charging up blessings) to kill a reaper; about a mag in head region to kill a crusher, 12 bodyshots for rager, etc

[slow spade]

Get rending on it some source, it has heavy armor pen drop off

[plucky kite]

no i mean it was super bugged and the chain energized hit perk sometimes would turn itself off and not work again for the rest of the mission

[patent slate]

Yea I discovered that during experimenting

[slow spade]

It was too good to be true 😔

[patent slate]

The rending node and the 16 stack brittleness node did wonders for the ak

[nova bay]

ran a few missions with it recently with no issue

[plucky kite]

nice

[slow spade]

Its still bugged though

Such is life

[plucky kite]

aw man

[slow spade]

Just have to wait for fix

[patent slate]

What about the hacker shotgun

That one shots ragers no matter what

kinda busted actually

[slow spade]

Good gun

[patent slate]

And I got one maxed out too

[slow spade]

Naturally dogshit range

[patent slate]

Since manstopper got nerfed heavily I took deathspitter instead

[pliant prawn]

can i get Killshot progression via melee kills at 10 stacs of marksmans focus?

[patent slate]

Yea but I’m using infiltrate with the 30% dps, I plan to run in and blast a reaper or bulwark in the face

[pliant prawn]

it only says "Kills", not "Ranged kills"

[patent slate]

Only issue is the reload

It’s kinda long

[hearty panther]

yes

[tawny badger]

flak body carapace head

oh someone already answered this my bad lmao

[thick wolf]

did some changes on my boltpistol grenadier guy talent tree, I think its still cursed

[verbal shuttle]

can anyone share a weapon specialist build talent tree? I want to use it with Devil Claw or Turtolsky

[icy orchid]

Was it Deathspitter and Dumdum or Deathspitter and Firefrenzy for the IAG?

[radiant chasm]

Dum dum

Dum dum is onhit

[icy orchid]

DumDum and Deathspitter or Dumdum and Fire Frenzy?

[tiny summit]

Either/or dont sweat about that one

[icy orchid]

After some light testing it appears that Deathspitter is better

[tawny badger]

++ Processing Inqusitorial Clearance ++

[frank gyro]

what is the dump stat on power swords? cleave targets or cleave damage?

[icy orchid]

Normal Damage

There was a patch recently? have you updated?

huh, no problem logging in when I did. I had some otimization problems but I haven't had loading problems in a LONG time

[sleek garden]

are you on a hard drive

my friend has darktide on a hard drive and it takes him a noticeably long time to load

[icy orchid]

Good point, I've stopped having most of my issues after I got an ssd

[analog tusk]

is it just me or is the zarona revolver the new plasma? 🤔

[icy orchid]

It's still slightly worse than plasma last I checked

unless you're all about that specialist killed number

[thick rose]

I dunno how people can stomach the plasma

[umbral garnet]

Mobility, of course.

[thick rose]

its so gumby

[broken gazelle]

I tried it once
It's not for me

[icy orchid]

Absolutely not

[umbral garnet]

Lmao

[thick rose]

tbh. settling into a warm bath of infantry autogun and combat knife has kinda ruined everything else.

[umbral garnet]

Well, personally, I've had one at 60 ish percent for the longest time and I have no issues.

[cloud phoenix]

Weapon Specialist with Recon lasgun = dumb?

[icy orchid]

depends on your melee I guess?

[broken gazelle]

I'm the same way with infantry Lasgun x shovel

[cloud phoenix]

power sword

[icy orchid]

yes, 100%

[cloud phoenix]

[sleek garden]

I am going between all the weapons and I found the plasma gun best when charging it up and using executor stance to cut through 45 people to body shot a crusher

[icy orchid]

you need extra mobility from Weapon Specialist to make powersword not feel bad

[sleek garden]

and then it goes through the crusher and kills a rager

[thick rose]

I just find I never ever have the room to use plasma

or bolter

[icy orchid]

take combat knife

[analog tusk]

mh while being a veteran and very squishy and bad at staying in melee i understand my role as marking and slaying any specialist i see in one or max 2 shots. and since that works splendidly und even in level 5s with the zarona revolver and switching weapons quickly and using the weapon at any distance feels fine the zarona seems to do all the jobs.

[sleek garden]

I'm surprised you feel that way

[cloud phoenix]

but what about the racon lasgun

swap to a plama gun?

help

[true jackal]

vet is only squishy if you set it up that way

[thick wolf]

I don't know what FS did to the Boltpistol

[true jackal]

same with "bad at melee"

[thick wolf]

but aside from ADSing the damn thing being less ass now, it seems slightly more efficient at killing than before

[icy orchid]

plasma vs recon is different playstyles

[thick wolf]

I actually am enjoying it

[true jackal]

it's the limb damage change

[sleek garden]

It cuts through 1-2 poxwalkers and ignores hands when you're shooting it

[umbral garnet]

Laughs in VoC and power sword

[true jackal]

makes it several times more consistent

[thick rose]

I've been enjoying boltpistol and dueling sword

[broken gazelle]

I love melee veteran

[sleek garden]

dude power sword feels so awful without power cycler they need to change it

[true jackal]

no more getting fucked by an enemy having thier arm in their face

[thick rose]

just facerolling trash with boltpistol and sticking metal into crusher brains

[analog tusk]

dont misunderstand me, melee is fine with the combat axe or the catachan sword, but a veteran is no zaelot...

[thick wolf]

yeah it actually feels pretty good now

then again I'm an idiot who also pairs it up with a chainaxe or chainsword

[sleek garden]

the horizontal sweep heavy variant of the power sword takes up to 5 lights to kill a scab bruiser to the head

[broken gazelle]

I actually prefer melee veteran over melee zealot 🤷‍♂️

[sleek garden]

And awful mobility

[thick wolf]

but yea, new boltpistol feels pretty nice

[umbral garnet]

Sure, we're not made for it, but we can be pretty useful in it.

[icy orchid]

use block into atk with powersword for single target

[sleek garden]

I feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot not using the catachan

[thick wolf]

I actually somewhat prefer it over to the regular boltgun as vet

[umbral garnet]

Mk6's two shot on a crusher, my beloved

[orchid hemlock]

Veteran understanders have joined the chat

[plucky kite]

sire melk just gave me a 60 mobility recon lasgun thank you sire melk

[cloud phoenix]

Weapon Specialist only provide the buffs to the very first shot of a ranged weapon?

[sleek garden]

No it lasts for something like 5 seconds

[cloud phoenix]

oh good

i misinterpreted it, thanks

[thick rose]

doesnt it specify shots per stacks?

I dunno how to interpret that tooltip

[thick wolf]

my zealot would remain using the regular boltgun while my vet sticks with the boltpistol

[sleek garden]

I'm using my power sword with sunder and slaughterer with bonus unarmored damage and extra block power

[cloud phoenix]

but power cycle

[sleek garden]

dang I guess not

[broken gazelle]

I wish there was a shovel emoji

[icy orchid]

you need power cycle on it

[umbral garnet]

Good stuff. But I will forever be a Brutal Momentum and Power Cycler dick rider.

Those two are simply unmatched.

[thick rose]

both limited by stacks AND only for 5 seconds then ?

[sleek garden]

Yeah but the point is, the power sword shouldn't be totally useless without a certain blessing

[cloud phoenix]

is Brutal Momentum better than Sunder?

[thick wolf]

bolt pistol mastery skin looks nice, if a bit too festive for my liking

[umbral garnet]

By miles, for horde clear.

[cloud phoenix]

but power hits already hits everybody

[broken gazelle]

Yeah my mastery shovel looks like a Christmas spoon

[true jackal]

if a weapon can run BM, use BM on it

[umbral garnet]

Especially for the brutes with flak armour.

[true jackal]

thing is busted

[thick wolf]

I think its mainly because of the red and white combo

[umbral garnet]

Are you killing them?

No?

[thick wolf]

and that damn checkerboard pattern

[umbral garnet]

With BM, you can.

[broken gazelle]

Ho ho ho, merry Tidemaa

[frank gyro]

the red is way too bright

[cloud phoenix]

but you lose 15% dmg on crushers and whatnot from sunder

[orchid hemlock]

The first part yes, the second no

[pseudo fiber]

I'd argue it looks more orky than christmas

[cloud phoenix]

so it favours weapons like shotgun and revolvers only

[broken gazelle]

The striped handle doesn't help

[umbral garnet]

If you have a Mk6, you really don't have to worry about crushers or maulers. The push attack and downwards swing can consistently two shot them.

[thick wolf]

I don't know which is worse

[pseudo fiber]

I do love my candy cane knife though

[umbral garnet]

With the right perks.

[thick wolf]

the mastery double barrel or the mastery infantry lasgun skin

[manic moon]

guy

guys*

do the new cleave trait do anything for hellbore?

[thick wolf]

fucking festive af

[broken gazelle]

The green doesn't help it's case haha

[hollow ibex]

they either look like christmas skins or cod skins

[thick wolf]

I can't escape "y'all are celebrating christmas WHEN ITS NOT EVEN DECEMBER YET??" allegations

[cloud phoenix]

huge if true

[pseudo fiber]

The double barrel is the greatest skin in the game I'll have NO SLANDER

[umbral garnet]

Oh, it's true.

[sleek garden]

What's wrong with sunder

Lots of heavy damage

[umbral garnet]

Crushers are PITIFUL in my eyes when I have my Psword.

[sleek garden]

Lots of cleave

[umbral garnet]

Nothing wrong with it.

Use it!

[pseudo fiber]

Shout out to the adeptus mechanicus why are you red

[icy orchid]

it's just not the best

[cloud phoenix]

can you help me understand what is so strong about Brutal Momentum?

[umbral garnet]

I'm just saying there are better options.

[broken gazelle]

You can tase crushers in the balls with the shock mace
Bzzzzzrrt

[cloud phoenix]

Sunder increases cleave as well

[true jackal]

ignoring hitmass is strictly better then incresing cleave

[manic moon]

it makes your attack do a 100% cleave on 4 targets which in case of e.g. axes are pretty good cuz they have high damage but low cleave

[restive rock]

I want a veteran LMG!

[manic moon]

not pinpoint accurate just an eli5 to give u an idea

[sleek garden]

Recon lasgun

[true jackal]

recon is an smg/ar

[restive rock]

Not what I mean smh

[cloud phoenix]

but considering power sword, heavy does a horrizontal cleave

[true jackal]

closest is the bruato

[broken gazelle]

I want a veteran sniper rifle
(Don't say helbore, I hate that thing)

[orchid hemlock]

It favors all weapons

The first part yes, the second part no

[umbral garnet]

Ignoring hit mass is huge on kill. The bonus 15 percent Weakspot is also very useful. You can go from killing 2 to 3 people per swing to 5 or maybe even 6 in hordes.

[true jackal]

but yeah, the art for the shooty tree is literally a dude using an lmg

and the enemies get both a las lmg and a regular one

[manic moon]

damage drop off

[umbral garnet]

Powered strikes already have enough cleave to not get interrupted by maulers if you do a heavy strike, but you should be killing those first with the push attack into hit 4.

[orchid hemlock]

The attack speed is useless on shotguns and and revolvers but very good on autoguns

[manic moon]

u hit the first guy for 1000 the 2nd to 700 then 500 etc

with brutal momentum u do a 1000 hit on all targets

[umbral garnet]

What he said ^

[cloud phoenix]

ahh i see your point, but you waste your shot stacks very quickly with racon lasguns

[cloud phoenix]

i had no idea that's how it worked, thanks for the clarification

[thick wolf]

hadron over here looking at this boltpistol and be like "varlet why did you make your gun festive looking"

[true jackal]

it's been changed like 3-4 times tbf

[thick wolf]

also dunno why the UI bugged, I dunno fatshark moment

[sleek garden]

That's probably her favorite color scheme

[umbral garnet]

And it still reigns supreme.

[orchid hemlock]

What do u mean waste?

She likes cute blood color

[pseudo fiber]

I feel like Hadron is the one person who wouldn't question it

[umbral garnet]

"VARLET >:( You shouldn't have :3"

[cloud phoenix]

wait, at max stacks you get 10 shots fired at 10% increased speed and with a 33% increased C.Chance ?

[umbral garnet]

Yes?

[orchid hemlock]

No only the attack speed, the 33% crit chance only applies to the first bullet

[umbral garnet]

The extra attack speed stays throughout the entire 5 seconds, last I used Weapon Specialist.

[tame lodge]

Meme material
It's also applying to your melee weapon for some reason

[cloud phoenix]

ah tyvm, i udnerstand it now

[umbral garnet]

I could've sworn that tooltip said 3.3% last time, meaning at 10 percent it'd be 33.

[pseudo fiber]

If the crit chance was on every shot while it lasted I think WS would be the strongest keystone in the entire game

[cloud phoenix]

or

power sword + recon lasgun

[thick rose]

fucken rending

[cloud phoenix]

aight ty

[thick rose]

oh wait

no wait

sorry

I am not telling you what is right. I am sharing my exasperation over wtf anything in this game does

[umbral garnet]

Both of those together go very well.

[cloud phoenix]

idk what else to remove

[umbral garnet]

But if I had to choose one or the other, rending.

More versatile vs the smaller enemy criteria of ogryn or monster.

[thick rose]

most of my builds I can take rending or take brittle in the right tree and I dunno which is better

[thick rose]

brittle is like chance on hit or something and then I start wondering how many hits my build is doing and then im like I dont fucking know thanks FS

[umbral garnet]

Recon and Psword you said?

[cloud phoenix]

if you can suggest improvements

yes

[keen pewter]

Easy, remove the revive

[tiny summit]

Most dont bother with tge revive

[umbral garnet]

Oh what yeah

[icy orchid]

rending and brittle really ins't worth it unless you have high rof gun

[umbral garnet]

Remove the revive.

Put it into deadshot.

[cloud phoenix]

revive bad?

[keen pewter]

Ye

[thick rose]

but like... isnt rending good on revolver?

[umbral garnet]

Deadshot on rapid fire guns like Recon and Colomnus can be great.

[thick rose]

at least... the good blessing is 60% rending right?

[broken gazelle]

The negatives of the Revive kinda outweigh the positives imo

[keen pewter]

Makes you keep the ability until someone is dead to use it

[tiny summit]

You'll more often prevent a down than reviving when needed with the CD and AoE stagger

[keen pewter]

Also cd and radius nerfs are big

[cloud phoenix]

do we know how many times a recon lasgun critically strike before reloading? on avg

[icy orchid]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1e4e6a-e190-4d83-82a2-935a3a7f7c00/generic-autogunner

[cloud phoenix]

true

[forest maple]

And vets that play revive on shout, tend to not use shout much because what if and that is pretty bad

[cloud phoenix]

true

[earnest bone]

Me running 50% revive speed to res lazybags in Auric MS:

[broken gazelle]

I used to use that
Never had to pick up ammo

[umbral garnet]

Yes, it's essentially +60 percent damage before the game calculates the armour.

I think that's how it works.

[thick rose]

so 10% is just too small?

[umbral garnet]

Haven't read up in a while, could've changed.

[umbral garnet]

If you have heavy hits, it really helps against stuff like carapace.

[forest maple]

also more cooldown means less use of the talents that proc on ability use. Revive shout is pretty lame node alltogether

[cloud phoenix]

what a dream

[forest maple]

yea, never take the 10% rending talent. Waste