veteran-class

[tame lodge]

It's a Vraks now

They renamed some weapons

[neon estuary]

there are 4 best blessings for colomnus infantry autogun(too bad you had to pick 2), dumdrum, speedload, raking fire, and fire frenzy.... i just go with dumdrum and fire frenzy

[hard cave]

i love my ia kantrel lasgun

[tawdry jackal]

k im done with teh powersword

i give up on the mk3 at least

[pseudo fiber]

Do the mk6

[fading yarrow]

TIL how to do the Hab Dreyko unguent injector puzzle and now I can't help but think that, if I was to be servitorized, there wouldn't need to be a lobotomization stage

It's so simple, how did I not figure it out earlier

[pseudo fiber]

Because you were under pressure at the time and didn't have a chance to process ot

[tawdry jackal]

too late, discarded the power sword, sticking to my mk 13 chainsword for ripping and tearing

may come back to it when i ahve too much stuff

[topaz lance]

Imma go exe stance + weapons specialist bolt pistol next

I think the bolt pistol can be used both as a "run and gun" weapon and snipe specials well

Should be interesting

[tawny badger]

wait how do you do the injector puzzle

I've just been hitting circles til I get the right one

[topaz lance]

Select the circle, check if it's the correct one. If it is hit it if not move to the next

[tawny badger]

so I'm still just blindly hitting circles til I get the right one

[topaz lance]

Kinda dumb, took me way too long to figure it out. But they've since then toned down the hordes in that finale. At least that'S what it felt like when I plaed it last

[fading yarrow]

You hit a circle, if it shows up red you go to the next circle, and so on until the circle shows up white
If a circle shows up white, hit it quickly again to move to the next part
Repeat twice more

I've been mashing circles repeatedly for months and banking on random chance

[tawny badger]

I thought I was supposed to be going for the circle closest to the..

the uh

the ring

the middle of the rings

[fading yarrow]

Same

[topaz lance]

it's never that complicated 😄

(except the Martyr skulls sometimes)

[slow spade]

Bruh, good to know

[low notch]

I found that it's best to opt out of quickplay altogether unless you're able to filter out this waste of time. Aside from the gamble on the team's competence, the rewards are complete garbage, and quickplay bonus isn't changing it.

[mint flame]

Are these stats good for recon lasgun?

[low notch]

Yeah I'd say

[tawny badger]

I'd argue that stability is more of a dump stat than mobility cuz the recon already has like no recoil

[mint flame]

Hmm okay, I will look out for that

[trim steppe]

The main dump stat for recon is collateral, followed by mobility.

you want 80 damage, ammo, and stability

[terse gate]

Builds fun. Just ran it through auric malstrom

[slow spade]

You want headshots -> collateral makes enemies cover their heads and hide -> collateral is dump stat

[buoyant mica]

whats the best perks for the recon las gun?

[trim steppe]

dumdum deathspitter

er

flak + maniac/crit

[slow spade]

Dumdum Headhunter

[tawny badger]

^

[slow spade]

Oh perks

[grand perch]

2 guys 1 misunderstanding

[slow spade]

Maniac + Unarmored (you're aiming at head)

[tawny badger]

flak maniac

[orchid hemlock]

Crit and flak if no onslaught

Crit and maniac if YES onslaught

[tawny badger]

the scab mauler in question:

https://tenor.com/view/fixing-my-suit-mike-mclusky-jeremy-renner-mayor-of-kingstown-suit-up-gif-24147705

[slow spade]

Mauler head is carapace

Classic Recon user

[tawny badger]

that's

that's why I said that

[slow spade]

Would have made more sense if you said scab gunners

[heavy rover]

Wait a minute... since when did Lighting Reflex have a cooldown timer for shock mauls?

[tawny badger]

I was saying that that selection of perks doesn't work well against-

fuckit I give up

[slow spade]

It does?

I didn't notice

[heavy rover]

yeah, was pretty surprised to see it has a cooldown timer now

ah well, spamming block against ragers was fun while it lasted

[slow spade]

Rip

Been too busy trying out Rashad now that power sword is scuffed

[tawny badger]

return to dclaw parry spam

[slow spade]

Never gets old, a bit dangerous now that you can parry multiple times at once

Got to watch my stam

[plucky kite]

i used to not like veteran

then i started using the funny power sword

now i REALLY like veteran

[slow spade]

You'll like it even more once the weird power sword bugs are fixed

[plucky kite]

kinda bugged yeah

[forest maple]

whats wrong with the power sword?

[plucky kite]

sometimes it doesn't energize

[slow spade]

Every other major patch fucks the power sword in some weird way

[trim steppe]

power sword is fun but you should give rashad axe a go. It is insanely strong

[slow spade]

It turns off when hit/stagger + charging does not refresh the energized state

[trim steppe]

now that it is easy to roll

[slow spade]

Rashad is the alternative to power sword while Fatshark unfucks it

[plucky kite]

main reason i like the power sword is that it mows down hordes REALLY fast

its like cutting butter

[slow spade]

Indeed

[forest maple]

I thought getting hit out of a combo meant that it should stop being energized? That was a mechanic was it not?

[slow spade]

Nope, never was

[trim steppe]

Rashad does that too but without the need to energize

[forest maple]

I freaking swear that was the case. Huh

[plucky kite]

I'll try it out once i finish mastery on the power sword

[forest maple]

but its like this for as long as i remember it

[slow spade]

Short duration moment probably

[plucky kite]

I'll try the bolter too once i finish the bolt pistol

[slow spade]

You only have like 2 seconds

[terse idol]

Grenadier bistol has been pretty gooood

[slow spade]

Power sword is better burst, rashad is more consistent

[terse idol]

Maximum grenade talents lethal proximity

[plucky kite]

tbh this update was so good i changed my review on steam to positive

[terse idol]

Rashad is just abiiit more strange to build

[trim steppe]

True. Rashad also has the added benefit of good mobility

[terse idol]

Unarmoured + headtaker + BM

[plucky kite]

actually makes building weapons and curios fun and rewarding

[trim steppe]

True, but its easy now with the patch

[slow spade]

Yeah you need to swing to the right for the attack speeds

[terse idol]

The mobility isn't any better than the tac axe suffice it to saay

[trim steppe]

we're comparing to power sword

[terse idol]

But yeeah

[slow spade]

A shame it doesn't have the push attack damage 😔

[terse idol]

Okie okie

[plucky kite]

damage is the true dump stat

[tall torrent]

Rashad is super easy to build now because half the weapon rolls in the game are 4x80+60

[terse idol]

Guess now all it takes for anybody is knowledge

[slow spade]

The main issue with Rashad is it has a relatively slow attack speed

So got to swing to the right path

[tall torrent]

The actual hard part is rolling 3x80+2x70 or even-70s

Which are insanely rare to come by for some reason

[slow spade]

While Power Sword doesn't give a shit

[plucky kite]

i could not get a single fucking 60 mobility power sword its always like 62 with the 2 points being taken away from damage of all things

i think fatshark hates me

[terse idol]

2% is okie unless you want perfect numbies

[slow spade]

Power sword likely killed in 1 hit anyways

[terse idol]

[trim steppe]

There are a decent number of those in the shop, but much more rare at Brunts

[plucky kite]

but... i want to kill things deader ...

[tall torrent]

Melk’s shop?

[trim steppe]

No the normal weapon shop, changes every hour

[tall torrent]

Yea the problem is brunt barely sells plasma gun

[trim steppe]

I see quite a few 3x80 + 2x70s there

[slow spade]

You still have your other weapon 😎

[trim steppe]

Yeah rarely a plasma lol

[slow spade]

Ikr

[trim steppe]

but thats just 1 hard to roll weapon

[slow spade]

I basically never see Plasma

[tall torrent]

I’ve spent 2M rolling for a 3x80+2x70 plasma

[slow spade]

Plasma is the new Rashad UwU

[tall torrent]

All wasted

Actually insane

[plucky kite]

thoughts on the new veteran Armageddon outfit?

compared to the old one and not comparing it

[slow spade]

Its not bad but I liked the first steel legion skin more

[tall torrent]

Something is really wrong with how weapon stats are generated rn

[trim steppe]

It took me close to 1mil to get my 2x70 plasma

[plucky kite]

i got both because i have no impulse control (i cannot be trusted with money)

[grand perch]

pray 4 good rounding errors

[slow spade]

Ironically, its still a massive improvement

[tall torrent]

It’s a massive improvement, it could still be better

[plucky kite]

where are red weapons at

[full nacelle]

Why does the level 20 mastery combat knife look like that?

[plucky kite]

candy cane knife

[tall torrent]

It’s also bad when you consider the process of getting good weapons now

[full nacelle]

its so easy to make a badass combat blade

[trim steppe]

"Now I have a knife, ho ho ho"

[slow spade]

I know just funny how its scuffed in the other extreme now lol

[tall torrent]

Docket vs plasteel costs is around 100:3

Which means plasteel doesn’t matter

[plucky kite]

i think if they made it not painted like that it would be cool

[tribal pelican]

My girlfriend told my my mastery bolter looked like it was getting dressed up for a spring picnic

[plucky kite]

i like dirks

[tall torrent]

The best way to farm for materials is to speedrun every mission, ignoring every material pickup

[full nacelle]

your girlfriend is 100% correct

[trim steppe]

I mean, only if you have a shitload already, like us greybeards. I've spent over 100k plasteel since the patch

[full nacelle]

waaaat...?

[plucky kite]

my favorite mastery skin so far is the hammer

[tall torrent]

If you’re spending it to max mastery yea
After full mastery it literally does not matter

[full nacelle]

I can tell you right now that I am 100% gated by plasteel not dockets

[slow spade]

Dockets is my limiting factor as well

[tall torrent]

You don’t have full mastery yet that’s why

[old quail]

i started the patch with all weapons mastered and i have 0 knowledge of how the system works

[plucky kite]

I'm limited by both I'm poor

[trim steppe]

I spent 0 plasteel for mastery, its all for rolling and empowering weapons

[old quail]

ignorance is bliss

[tall torrent]

How do u possibly end up spending more plasteel than dockets

[plucky kite]

i also use it a lot on curios

[full nacelle]

I don't understand what you guys are spending your dockets on after full mastery

[plucky kite]

because curios use a lot of plasteel

[trim steppe]

I have spent about 3.5 mil dockets and 100k plasteel

[slow spade]

I scrapped my gear that I've had since release

[grand perch]

holy rashad batman

[tall torrent]

Empowerment + perk & blessing swap all cost dockets
Only consecration and empowerment cost plasteel and only ~3k

[plucky kite]

holy hell

[full nacelle]

I can get a perfect stat weapon after 3-5 rolls of a weapon... which is one run of an auric damnation mission

[tall torrent]

Yea you’re still spending more dockets than plasteel lol

It’s around 100:3 ratio

[full nacelle]

are we farming outfits out here or?

[trim steppe]

Yeah but you also earn dockets 50-60x faster than plasteel

[tribal pelican]

I had the same thought that crafting materials wore kinda useless now since you only need such a small amount to make a perfect weapon. BUT for the first time evro im actually trying diffrent weapons becuse im no longer intimidated by needing 2mil for brunts just to get a semi decent one and so im actually spending a lot more mats

[plucky kite]

i wish there were more outfits to farm lol

[slow spade]

Just getting genuinely perfect rolls now

[terse idol]

Flak?

[slow spade]

Not the typical 80-60 split

[tall torrent]

Nah
Plasteel is 1k per damnation
Docket is like
55k per auric HiSTG damnation

[slow spade]

You aim for head which is mostly unarmored

[full nacelle]

I guess for some weapons... That gets into the ultimate min-maxing though of trying to squeeze out an extra 1% mobility on a weapon

[terse idol]

Why flak doe

[trim steppe]

yeah, thats 55x

[full nacelle]

which I don't really care for

[tall torrent]

3 missions’ worth of plasteel = 1 gold max power weapon

[terse idol]

You go carapace imo

And unarmoured

[tall torrent]

3 missions’ worth of dockets = barely 1 good roll

[plucky kite]

is flak not a good perk to have
the most common armor type is flak

[terse idol]

For crushers

[slow spade]

Yeah which is what the original convo was about

[terse idol]

Most bp's for rashad is for cara iirc

[plucky kite]

also the new flak hordes

[terse idol]

And the infamous

Unarmoured

[split grove]

columnus autogun whats the dump stat?

[full nacelle]

I guess we have very different definitions of good roll

[terse idol]

Aren't their heads unarmoured?

[trim steppe]

thats just not true anymore, for most all weapons you can get a perfect roll in like 10 rolls, which is 2 missions

[slow spade]

Not their heads

[full nacelle]

mobility

[trim steppe]

other than plasma

[terse idol]

So same thing

[plucky kite]

fair enough

[tall torrent]

I’m rolling plasma & crusher

I’ve had 20 consecutive crusher rolls with 80 defence

[slow spade]

Oof

[plucky kite]

i wish they had moebian hordes in the psy

[full nacelle]

I've been getting 80/60(mobility) rolls after about 3-5 rolls every time

[plucky kite]

to test out damage and whatnot

[slow spade]

They're a limited enemy so such is life

[plucky kite]

yeah rip

[terse idol]

Far as I know they are just healthier scab bruisers

[plucky kite]

really good enemy imo

[trim steppe]

I feel like theres gonna be a small handful of weapons that are hard to roll, but 95% of them are super easy to get a perfect roll

[plucky kite]

its almost like the fuckers have improved AI

[slow spade]

Yeah they're just scab bruisers but faster

I think they have more stagger resist

[full nacelle]

Ah... I didn't know people were that invested in breakpoints

[tall torrent]

The other thing u have to consider is

[slow spade]

I find my Vraks mk.5 isn't stopping them as easy

[terse idol]

Rashad is like pretty high on the breakpoint game

[tall torrent]

Once u have good roll on every weapon for a class

Plasteel spending basically stops

[terse idol]

Unironically

[tall torrent]

I’m at that stage rn

[full nacelle]

if it has 60 in mobility, I'm good

[plucky kite]

unless you level another class

[trim steppe]

Yes but thats still a BIG threshold to hit for any casual player

[plucky kite]

since its shared

[slow spade]

A 5% damage node is enough to change shots to kill

[full nacelle]

I'm not looking to pull my hair out trying to squeeze out an extra .1% dodge distance

[terse idol]

Really? On what weapons?

Or what weapo9n

5% is soooo small

[plucky kite]

hammer is an example methinks

[full nacelle]

yes but rolling millions of dockets just to get an extra point of mobility is much more work than that

[slow spade]

Mostly plasma and weapons like Rashad where you want 1 hit kills

[plucky kite]

because of how much damage it does

[terse idol]

You get most of that from like everything else

The crusher BP is like

The weird part

[full nacelle]

yeah those 5% and 10% little boring nodes do add up

[plucky kite]

y'all
are shovels viable rn

[slow spade]

It doesn't change the fact that damage adds up

[full nacelle]

shovel are fine

[terse idol]

But getting the scab b bp is just the minimum req

[full nacelle]

not great but not bad

[trim steppe]

I spent the last 4 days rolling perfect rolls on each weapon on every class and its taken about 100k plasteel and I'm not quite done yet, and I haven't touched curios yet. I had a huge stash when the patch dropped, but the casual player might never get 100k plasteel. Plasteel will continue being the gate until you reach super end game like us

[tall torrent]

Surprisingly many
Plasma
Boltpistol
mk7 vigilant autogun
Zarona revolver
Rashad (in some cases)
Knife (in many cases)

[terse idol]

[slow spade]

Yes, very good defenses

[tall torrent]

Emphasis on plasma & Boltpistol

[plucky kite]

bolt postol my beloved

friendship with revolver ended

[slow spade]

Shovel won't instant wipe hordes like power sword or rashad

But it won't die

[plucky kite]

i wish the old Armageddon helmet didn't clip with the new Armageddon chestpiece

its like a perfect fit

but the sides of the mask clip on the collar

[trim steppe]

Once you have a perfect version of every weapon every, then you only need dockets and plasteel is irrelevant. but 1 games worth of dockets is enough to completely reroll 5 weapons' perks and blessings, so its very forgiving in terms of trying stuff out

[tall torrent]

I’m still rolling plasma

[split grove]

whats the columnus perk and blessings

[slow spade]

I should roll another plasma too

I have a near perfect one I've been using since Patch 13

[faint beacon]

what BPs are we discussing again

unarmored?

[tall torrent]

Plasma roll RNG is when u don’t want to be happy in this game

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[tall torrent]

Peak frustration

[slow spade]

I go for Dum Dum + Deathspitter / Maniac + Flak (lol my recoil control)

[plucky kite]

how is my drip

[slow spade]

Imperial Guardsmen/10

[terse idol]

🅱️

[split grove]

maniack

classic

[tall torrent]

5% crit + flak
Dum dum + deathspitter

[plucky kite]

🅱️

[faint beacon]

🅰️

[slow spade]

Man I remember I had people flamming me for putting crit on my autoguns

[tall torrent]

U need both 5% crit perk & talent

And reciprocity basically

[slow spade]

I do

Oh

Not Reciprocity

[tall torrent]

But it’s basically the best way to play mk5 / mk8 infantry autoguns rn

[slow spade]

Yeah I felt the crits would be good

[fallen plinth]

this is the dumbest change ever

[slow spade]

More damage + rending from crits

[slow spade]

Lol check the Helbores

Literally just mark changes for seemingly no reason

Helbore mk3 is now the old Mk.1 lol

[terse idol]

https://youtu.be/DrYRpPxBEaU?si=FyYpL7kTZ5pJ405X

[tall torrent]

It’s IV now

[plucky kite]

give us the actual fucking comissar outfit obese megalodon
please

[tall torrent]

MK1 = IIIa
MK2 = V
MK3 = IV

[slow spade]

Indeed, referencing the MK.1 now being called Mk.3

Which definitely won't be confusing UwU

[plucky kite]

which MK of the power sword do y'all prefer

[slow spade]

Mk.6 is generally better

25% block cost reduct, hordeclear on light attacks instead of heavy, charge animation cancel (block when charging)

[trim steppe]

plus the funny crusher 2-shot on push attack

[slow spade]

Also power sword energized attacks are weird

Light and Heavy attacks do the SAME damage

So the light attack focused Mk.6 has a huge advantage

[plucky kite]

how many wounds do y'all think would be good for damnation

[slow spade]

2

[trim steppe]

2 is fine. take 3 until you feel comfortable

then dump the wound for more hp or toughness

or stam

[plucky kite]

the main bane of my fucking existance is
bursters

[odd sparrow]

toughness is generally better for vet

[hearty panther]

no wounds. we hardcore up in here. if u die u delete ur character.

[odd sparrow]

health is pretty ehhhh on, vet no synergy

[trim steppe]

that will become a non-issue as your skill improves

[slow spade]

Voice of Command's Duty upgrade lets you face tank bursters

• block shove them

Obligatory shoot them

They also take 30x explosive damage so a frag also works

[trim steppe]

a little health helps absorb chip, occasional breakthru, and offset corruption (grims, hounds, etc). Its still good

I usually run 1 toughness, 1 hp, and 1 stam curio

[slow spade]

3 toughness curios for me

2 toughness, 1 stam if I use Deadshot

[trim steppe]

I like running 1 stam all the time, 2 if i run deadshot

[slow spade]

I find stamina delay reduction to be better than stam

[odd sparrow]

3 toughness for me as well. im just not taking damage 95% of the time with iron will

And if i do take dmg the extra hp wouldnt have mattered much

[slow spade]

As you only need 1% stam to push

Yeah the "take hp to mitigate damage" is a very poor argument

As that's what toughness does but better

[pliant prawn]

Hey vets, what are the best melee options this patch excluding dueling sword? Pretty sure it's getting nerfed so idc about that one

No source on that, pure speculation

[idle swallow]

Munitorum shovel💪💪💪

[vestal widget]

rashad, ps6, knife, same as before

[trim steppe]

rashad axe, heavy sword, power sword, duelling sword, knife. chainsword and shovel good too

[vestal widget]

oh yeah, heavy swords. i need to go roll one

[pliant prawn]

Aren't there weapon marks? Like which of these are better than their peers

Not to mention different combos

[vestal widget]

rashad is one of the marks of the combat axe

power sword mk6 has the push stab

knife is down to pref

[tame lodge]

Hsword 9, that's the one you want for some reason

[chilly jewel]

been gone for a while and was wondering if the recommended blessing for the plasma gun have changed

the one i made way back had glory hunter + gets hot, is it still the same now?

[pliant prawn]

I find the only tolerable knife is the newest one. Exceptionally better horse clear than the other(s?)

Lol typo ima leave that one up

[trim steppe]

rashad combat axe, mk6 heavy sword, mk6 power sword, mk4 duelling sword, mk6 knife, mk4 chainsword, maybe mk3 shovel (idk about that one i dont use shovel much)

[trim steppe]

thats fine, gets hot + rising heat is the meta

[pliant prawn]

Thanks lads

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk3 combat axe
Catachan mk6 combat blade
Achlys mk6 power sword
Maccabian mk4 duelling sword

[chilly jewel]

ahh ok ill give that a try thanks

[vestal widget]

mk3 shovel can get carapace/mutie one shots, it's otherwise pretty eh the way I tried building it anyway. horde clear is safe-ish but not the best, and you need a ranged wep to cover boss damage if you take it

[loud flower]

What are the best weapons to pair with the shock maul?

[vestal widget]

something that does good boss damage because it also has a bad unyielding damage mod + damage blesses that aren't great for boss damage

[hard cave]

any weapon

[loud flower]

A good shotty ought to do it, maybe

[inland sundial]

is this a good upgrade for an Infantry Lasgun

comapred to this

as in is it worth the 4k coins

for that small increase

[midnight totem]

How many coins you got

[inland sundial]

6.9k atm

[midnight totem]

Maybe

If you really like using the lasgun

[inland sundial]

yea its my go-to for vet

the one I have rn is my main ranged weapon

[hard cave]

infantry las gun ia my beloved

[split grove]

for columnus do i just go focus target?

[umbral scaffold]

Show me your helbores

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-gif-7678673529070379788

[inland sundial]

do you mean the Hellbore IIIa or is there actually an infantry mark idk about

[somber axle]

I still haven't upgraded it btw

[umbral scaffold]

Nice

[somber axle]

She's perfect

[last parcel]

upgrading it would be a sin

[umbral scaffold]

Remove infernus and run Brittlness or even try that cleave perk

Trust me

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-what-is-love-baby-don't-hurt-me-gif-12723256336994168017

[inland sundial]

havent changed anything yet but got this a while ago

[umbral scaffold]

Nice… focus on getting that ammo though to 70min trust me

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-gif-9591495016542653169

[inland sundial]

cant

since everything else is 80

[hard cave]

The starter las gun for vet

[umbral scaffold]

I believe In you… grind and max you’ll get a good one

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-smile-baby-don’t-hurt-me-cheesy-smile-gif-5095950788232868997

[inland sundial]

how do I get that later lol

[real flicker]

i wanna start playing vet, any links to some good builds?

[hard cave]

wdym

[last parcel]

mk vii infantry lasgun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1283741449007009792/1289113696483676182/image.png?ex=66fb98af&is=66fa472f&hm=9ffaa2107ab12c408fd273ee22f5e0e08b28a3bda0a8a7accbc9bdf286ba0dac&

[hard cave]

You can buy it from brunt

[hard cave]

oh,,thats a lot of name changes,,,

[inland sundial]

ah it got renamed lol

mostly use the XII (guess IX now)

but considering you can freely swap now

might as well give the others a shot again

[tame lodge]

Infantry lasgun or iLas are the ones with holo sight

[hard cave]

weapon specialist with vii is super fun

especially if you build it exactly like ix

[plucky kite]

i was

doing auric maelstrom

and

one crusher

[hard cave]

more firerate at the cost of 30 less damage per shot

[plucky kite]

one shotted 3 of us

at the same time

possibly the unluckiest thing i have ever seen

and then

dog horde on the lone psyker

[sand kite]

is armorbane worth on helbore and which helbore should i use

[hard cave]

he's getting shinies for killing you guys

[plucky kite]

for real

even more dangerous than a daemonhost

he's getting promoted to super crusher

[tame lodge]

Not really
3a or 5 iirc

[plucky kite]

🙏

[tame lodge]

Turns out you don't need to apply brittleness when you can one or two shots whatever the enemy

[umbral scaffold]

Brittleness is for unyl enemies

Two shooting crushers with a nice mk1 Helbore is far better then using the mk3 and wasting more ammo

[inland sundial]

ik I just wasn't aware of an ia mark existing

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o-heam-giga-chad-gigachad-sigma-male-gif-18018390271438689871

Weight of fire is great but I do feel that’s better paired with the cleave on headshot as the rof can match the cleave potential for hordes

https://tenor.com/view/irz-dusmani-mike-o'hearn-mike-meme-baby-don't-hurt-me-what-i̇s-love-gif-1558362495874808789

[loud flower]

Someone asked for helbores, so here is my baby

[umbral scaffold]

Now that’s a Helbore

Slap brittleness over weight and you got a boss killer

https://tenor.com/view/starwell-baby-don't-hurt-me-o'hearn-mike-o'hearn-gif-2413340519038789591

[split grove]

autogun do i need to go down the crit path?

[umbral scaffold]

Yes brother….

But no need for las crits

Your ammo is healthy enough

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-mike-ohearn-jokester-joke-funny-gif-27699537

[loud flower]

I was actually thinking of that

[split grove]

who is this dude u keep posting

[pliant prawn]

The hell? I really don't get the new system

[loud flower]

Its him, what do you mean

[umbral scaffold]

And change elite damage to flak or maniac so you can do half charges on gunners

[pliant prawn]

You're not him.

[umbral scaffold]

Makes ammo effeciency far superior

[umbral scaffold]

Neither are you

[pliant prawn]

I know

But you don't seem to know

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-mike-ohearn-jokester-joke-funny-gif-27699537

[split grove]

do i ads with the the infantry autogun or spray headlevel at close range

[plucky kite]

mobility is a dump stat

[split grove]

Im an ogryn so i have never adsed in my life

[plucky kite]

the change it does is very very small compared to everything else

so a minimum mobility weap is good

[loud flower]

For a boss and carapce shotty, should i go for the dragon breath with No Respite + Scatter shot?

[tame lodge]

Or I could just dish out faster full charged shots

So surgical Weight of Fire still winning

🗣️

[frank ether]

yea its all about actually landing weakspot hit on boss

brittle has utility value for your team I guess

[tall torrent]

no, 200+ health helps a lot

[tame lodge]

Hmm they really added more brittleness blessings huh

[frank ether]

I think I'd take it on the fast helbore

Its too fast to make good use of surgical with weight of fire anyway

so u might aswell experiment

[tame lodge]

That's probably the only one that would take it yeah

[thick kestrel]

Brittle seems more advantageous on the lower damage higher RoF weapons... on the Helbore I think it only really has some utility against monstrosities?

I suppose there's some advantage combined with the cleave perk to apply mass brittle to packs of crushers and the like... but I'm not sure if that works out against building a more direct damage loadout.

but... that feels very niche

[tame lodge]

You can't shoot through crushers

[odd sparrow]

with toughness you just dont take dmg to begin with.

i used to have 1 hp, 1 tough 1 wound. constantly take small hits and taking chip dmg

when i switched to 3 toughness my hp is just full the vast majority of the time

[thick kestrel]

even with the bonus cleave? ah... you need damage over the top don't you?

[tame lodge]

Even if we ignore the carapace blocking cleave

[thick kestrel]

it's trample... not peircing

easy to forget ^^

[tame lodge]

Helbore has 3 cleave and Crushers have 12.5 mass

[thick kestrel]

well aye, my brain was thinking the 50 cleave from the weakpoint hit blessing, but you're correct in it not panning out

[umbral scaffold]

Why get only 20% when your full charge is up …. Yeah it’s enough since you’re pairing it with deadshot but 55% is better than 45%. Plus brittleness offers better damage output for both you and your team

And I say 55 cause you reach 3-4 stacks for mk1

When its weight of fire its near 2-3

[tame lodge]

You're using Deadshot?

[umbral scaffold]

Isn’t that the Crit perk

I might’ve gotten the name wrong

It’s the one where you get less sway and shit

[terse idol]

Exe stance?

[tame lodge]

Once again, you don't need the brittleness if you kill your target in one shot

[terse idol]

I will admit higui is right
Surgical is sweet

Weight of fire and surgical...

I mean the thing is you can always get 1 stack of surgical stacked if you're aiming

1 or 2

[mint flame]

Why is ammo 78%

[last parcel]

because eat shit

[mint flame]

I just rolled another one and stability is 78

im eating shit tonight

[tame lodge]

Stab on a recon
Wouldn't worry about

[umbral scaffold]

So I kill crushers in one shot

I kill bulwurks in one shot

[plucky kite]

my power sword bugged out mid match

and

[umbral scaffold]

Mk 1 doesn’t kill crushers in 1 shot

False information

[plucky kite]

my energized hits straight up stopped working

[slow spade]

Yeah its bugged atm

[plucky kite]

like the perk itself stopped existing out of nowhere

whats that axe again

[slow spade]

Use Rashad in the mean time

[plucky kite]

i'm gonna level it

aight

[slow spade]

Rashad Combat Axe

[slow spade]

Here's a near perfect Rashad for reference

I would personally replace Flak for maniac or carapace

[loud flower]

What would be a fitting build for a Adpetus Arbites? Shock Maul + Combat Shotgun?

[pseudo fiber]

yup

[thorny gorge]

Ive been liking the burn recon

Getting the crit chance perk and bonus make it so cracked

[tame lodge]

You're right

You don't need brittleness

That's it

Now I'm going to get something to eat

See y'all later

[sharp epoch]

wait power sword is bugged rn? since when

[plucky kite]

no clue but the energized combo hits just stop working out of nowhere

[sharp epoch]

is it after getting hit?

[slow spade]

It powers off after being hit/stagger + energizing does not refresh the buff

So now its very inconsistent

[wispy pine]

hello guys is any of these new blessings for plasma worth using? 🤔

[slow spade]

Rising Heat + Blaze Away is a reliable and consistent combo

[idle swallow]

Does hot shot on helbores apply to bayonet poke?

The wording doesn't sound ranged specific

[tame lodge]

And apparently your melee

[idle swallow]

Your normal melee while helbore is stowed?

[last parcel]

Yes I was playing it last night

[umbral scaffold]

Agreed 👍 what I use

[idle swallow]

groovy

[last parcel]

and yeah

[vivid charm]

hey does anyone know if the bolt pistol still cleaves when the round blows up or does it stop?

[echo vortex]

what a good auto gun for shout vet?
should i put dum dum + stripped / +flak + Maniac?

[tawny badger]

man

ogryns just be getting the worst of it

[trim steppe]

I was using carapace instead of flak but then I needed 5% melee damage, desperado, and 5 stacks of headtaker to 1-shot dreg bruisers. So it would take some time to ramp up my horde clear when dregs showed up. So I still like flak over carapace, especially when my ranged weapon has any amount of anti armor on it

Or if I'm running kraks

[trim steppe]

Always a good combo. The Vraks Infantry and the Agripinna Braced are the better autoguns

You could do fire frenzy instead of stripped if you want

If you run stripped it pairs nicely with the Duck and Dive talent

[untold kernel]

Woop, all veteran penances completed :3

[echo vortex]

ty, yeah running with it. Trying to see what works better on auric damm. my lovely lasgun doesnt seem to handle well

[undone ravine]

I hate this patch note, i kinda liked that talent, and although yes its a block for the 30% reload, id much rather have the better sprinting than what (to me) seems like an imperceptible change in weapon swap speed

[grand narwhal]

YAAYYY thanks fatshark i was a veteran shooter build that was centered around my executioner stance

but then my ability broke!

so i couldnt even use it

AND THENNN my gun broke!

so im a ranged gunner centered around my ability unable to use both

[last parcel]

time for a bug report

[trim steppe]

What gun and what's wrong with exec stance?

[wispy pine]

Whats that meaning for rising heat? It just adds something like 20% more bar before you reach 100% so you have 120%? Or power with how much heat you have?

[slow spade]

Its 7.5-20% power

[sharp epoch]

yeah the 25% weapon swap speed doesnt even feel noticiable compared to the 30% sprint efficiency

[slow spade]

Blame Fatshark

[trim steppe]

Up to +20% strength (which is damage cleave and stagger) scaling up as your heat bar fills

[slow spade]

Clearly we need to dual-wield Rashads

[trim steppe]

Hatchet man

[slow spade]

"I am the Dreg rager now"

[grand narwhal]

i literaly cant use my ability i tried everything

[grand narwhal]

and just lasgun

it wont fire

i even killed myself to get picked up

still didnt fix it

[trim steppe]

Haven't heard of either of those bugs before

[grand narwhal]

i havent seen them before

[trim steppe]

Submit a bug report on that

[undone ravine]

I liked the sprint helping me with the dodge on sprint blessing, i only used autoguns because i didnt need the accuracy of a recon las if i could close distance free of charge

[trim steppe]

At least you can freely change your curios now so you can put sprint on any/all your curios

[undone ravine]

Steipped down i think its called

[sharp epoch]

stripped down

[grand narwhal]

is there any gun report option here on the discord by chance?

[sharp epoch]

you get diminishing returns if your put all of them on sprint efficiency cause its multiplicative

[trim steppe]

Yeah you get 39% instead of 45% reduction with 3

[trim steppe]

Uhhh idk I think bug reports are done on the official forum

[grand narwhal]

fuck i really dont wanna make another forumn account i dont remember half my accounts as it is x.x

[idle swallow]

don't worry just tell me your account info and I'll remember it for you

[undone ravine]

As a kid this felt silly but as an adult it has become so tiring

[round yacht]

Does this 5% crit chance affect our gun? or just the melee?

[last parcel]

yes gun

good for recons/infantry autoguns

[atomic zephyr]

it will cleave and then explode in a heavier target

i shot through a groaner's head to hit a shotgunner or rager yesterday a few times

it wont cleave very far

but it will prevent secret service groaners from stopping you

[serene bough]

it will if you just pump enough lead into the enemy

[trim steppe]

Use a password manager and 2fa for everything 👍

[atomic zephyr]

this is also true

each mag has 8 bolts, plenty to brute force through a crowd

[serene bough]

penetration has brought new life to bistol and bolter

feels very good to shoot now

[atomic zephyr]

and aim assist + sway reduction

[serene bough]

that too

[atomic zephyr]

i have hit shots that i am certain would have missed before the update

but it makes it useable

[true jackal]

vet lads, what blessing are good on the plasma gun?

[trim steppe]

Meta is gets hot + rising heat

Blaze Away and Gloryhunter both still good too

[true jackal]

I assume rising heat is a power boost

[trim steppe]

Yeah

[true jackal]

dump stat on it?

[trim steppe]

The easy answer is dump charge rate. The annoying answer is you want roughly 70% thermal and 70% charge rate

A perfect plasma would be 69% thermal and 71% charge rate

[true jackal]

I see, is it mainly spaming uncharged shots?

[trim steppe]

Yup, basically you never want to charge shots

[true jackal]

thank you

[trim steppe]

This is my essentially perfect plasma, for reference

[undone ravine]

To be 100% honest i dont know what a password manager is, but i hate 2fa, just tedious imo

[hearty panther]

password manager is an app that produces and then stores passwords for you in hash or other code/cypher bases

so you can have it produce a different 128 digit password for all your accounts and you dont gotta remember them all

[full nacelle]

They definitely need to at least buff the weapon swap speed... It's does nothing on weapons like the revolver and not noticeable on 90% of the others.

[junior haven]

I use bitwarden for this.

[undone ravine]

In the psyknaroum i felt that only the boltgun was noticeable

[iron atlas]

Need help with On Overwatch

[hearty panther]

I know Vanguard was utterly unappreciated but that they replaced it with such a niche talent really fucken rubs me wrong lmao

[full nacelle]

I don't get why they would replace one situational node at the start of a branch with another situational node

[full nacelle]

same... feels good on my bolter builds and crap everywhere else

[hearty panther]

It's also alright on Helbores.

[tall torrent]

It’s noticeable for frag grenade toss, Boltgun & plasma mainly

[full nacelle]

do a full tank build, it only counts on health damage

[undone ravine]

I tested it there too but didnt feel like itd help in a pinch, i have always hated helbore for having slow switch speed

[full nacelle]

I did it with a born leader toughness stack voice of command build but some people like to do infiltrate with the -90% threat talent and just be invisible the entire game

[undone ravine]

It affects grenade switch??

[tall torrent]

Yea

It’s -25% all swap speed lol

[full nacelle]

I'm still raging about helbores since I deleted the build for mine yesterday

[undone ravine]

Holy shit i might actually use it after i test it, i hate the wait time to pulling the pin in a pinch

[undone ravine]

I didnt think of grenades as a "weapon"

[hearty panther]

Thing too is that there's tech to circumvent draw speed that I've already trained myself to do so ... the node is 100% useless to me.

[full nacelle]

grenades are friends, not weapons

[hearty panther]

-20% sprint cost on the other hand was tremendous utility that's now gone ;_;

[full nacelle]

I just don't understand why they would make that the first talent on the tree

[undone ravine]

Mr grenade is no longer your friend after you pull the pin ~ person whos name i forgot

[hearty panther]

I dunno why they didn't just fork the path at the start to let us have both.

[undone ravine]

They say it wasnt performing how they wanted, thy couldve literally just made it a little better and kept it

[full nacelle]

true... that's why I keep Mr. Grenade safe and secure in my pocket the entire match

[full nacelle]

definitely for aesthetics... it would make the talent tree asymmetrical

[hearty panther]

It was actually quite strong since it was a multiplicative effect with sprint efficiency.

[full nacelle]

no more nyooming for you

[hearty panther]

They could have made it a more generic stamina efficiency I suppose.

[full nacelle]

that would have been great honestly

[hearty panther]

Push block sprint all in onem

[full nacelle]

on like a lot of builds

[tall torrent]

I use it for my plasma build with frags & survivalist

[full nacelle]

especially for deadshot builds

[tall torrent]

That’s the only build where I feel it helps

[full nacelle]

weapon swap speed is way too niche

[undone ravine]

I wouldve preffered it not work that way honestly, then there would be less reason to waist weapon perks with sprint when it could be for more dmg

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t change krak throw speed that much

But for frag it’s noticeable

[faint beacon]

Bolter it’ll also help

[undone ravine]

This is so sad

[hollow turtle]

Bolter and helbore

[faint beacon]

Just those longer deploy weapons it helps and it’s just a QOL on other weapons

[tall torrent]

I think it just needs to be higher value tbh

The idea is cool

[hollow turtle]

The nice thing about 2 of the variants of helbore is the bayonet.

[hearty panther]

Stamina has tremendous value for survivability though. It's not damage in a strict sense but the more you can sprint, the more you can reach and avoid.

[hollow turtle]

No need to melee switch, just keep poking them with your laser stick.

[undone ravine]

Yeah, it was 30% wasnt it? 50% might be over powered, but 40% would be nice

[tall torrent]

Vanguard was -20% sprint cost
One Motion is +25% swap speed

I think One Motion needs to be like 40% minimum

Maybe higher

[hearty panther]

Yeah why does Psyker get the 50% node with all their weapons being fast to draw lmao

[undone ravine]

It wouldnt effect any builds i used anyway sadly, the revolver and recon las switch very fast

[faint beacon]

Cause Glass cannon = should have higher stats

[full nacelle]

thank you for this info! added it to my bolt pistol grenadier build

[faint beacon]

Fuck you

OM im on the ropes about tbh

[hearty panther]

It's a dead node to me. Just in the way of OfB.

[faint beacon]

I think it’s fine but at the same time it’s just not noticeable on certain weapons

[full nacelle]

I got really lucky because almost all my builds that go that way on the talent tree make use of it

but yeah... it would be a waste if I was using one of the classic melee w/ revolver builds

[tall torrent]

If it gave every weapon close to revolver’s swap speed

I’m taking it on every build

[full nacelle]

that would be sick lol

[faint beacon]

Zarona and DS

Satan Spawn

[full nacelle]

also holy crap guys, I know we're talking crap about the talent tree but I love this game's talent tree

[tall torrent]

I’m still mad about wasting 3M dockets on plasma and not getting what I wanted

[full nacelle]

I've been running my grenadier build through auric missions and wasn't too impressed because all it had going for it was grenades and otherwise I just sat around with my thumb up my butt

made a few adjustments and now I can absolutely destroy with the bolt pistol when my nades are down

feels so much better

[full nacelle]

holy SHIT! I am so sorry

[undone ravine]

I think the critical point to consider is that it blocks tactical reload, wich insinuates that a slow to arm, slow to reload, and easy to not magdump weapon would like those talents, wich to me only sounds like the helbore and plasma gun

[tall torrent]

It’s just Boltgun

Plasma gun doesn’t need reload speed ever

Neither does Helbore

[undone ravine]

If you dont mag dump your boltgun your a loser

[full nacelle]

true and real vocath

[tall torrent]

If u have to magdump Boltgun to get value you’re playing it wrong

[full nacelle]

also true and real

I have one magdump boltgun build and one sniper boltgun build

best of both worlds

[tall torrent]

Plasma has reload tech
Helbore has shock trooper

It’s really only Boltgun that wants those 2 talents at the same time

[full nacelle]

reload tech frightens me

[undone ravine]

I dont like the bolt gun because the mag size is small and reload speed so slow, so if i want to pick off and reload i spend alot of time being reactive and loading instead of proactive and mag dumping. Though i am also not a bolt gun appreciator so i may has a misguided idea of how the boltgun excels

[blissful cliff]

I pulled it off while shit was hitting the fan in maelstrom and a plague ogryn was starring right at me

Did i feel cool? yes

Did it matter? Fuck no, we still lost lmao

[full nacelle]

my sniper boltgun build has +75% reload speed

[undone ravine]

I feel like the revolver and the bolt gun have the same function but the revolver has easier reloading while the boltgun has better stagger for things like crushers and bulwarks, the magazine size to reload speed ratio i feel doesnt justify choosing boltgun over the revolver

[full nacelle]

oh yeah the revolver is friggin broken no doubt about that

[undone ravine]

THIS IS IGNORING IF YOU USE THE BOLTGUN BECAUSE ITS FUN

[faint beacon]

There’s a reason I hate the Zarona revolver

[tall torrent]

Different purpose & function
Revolver is the strongest gun on veteran tho so not rly a fair comparison

[faint beacon]

It’s just a better Boltgun in every way

[full nacelle]

boltgun has better boss damage

revolver confirmed garbage

[tall torrent]

Revolver still beats it there

[idle swallow]

There's no gloryhunter ranged options that work with shock trooper is there?

[full nacelle]

shhhhhhhhh

[faint beacon]

8 rounds to the head drops a monstrosity

I hate to say it

[last parcel]

boltgun has better sound design

[tall torrent]

No
There’s laspistol with reassuringly accurate but that’s garbage and nobody runs it

[last parcel]

i am nobody

[undone ravine]

I would love to see a vid of you using it in a mission, i will admire the build if this is true

[undone ravine]

What function do you think they differ to?

[tall torrent]

Revolver is for melee build with weapon specialist

Boltgun is usually some sort of sharpshooter build

[coarse plinth]

Do you guys used Determined - Suppression immunity, or not worth

[full nacelle]

I plan to start making build videos shortly so I will keep you in the loop

[tall torrent]

Depends on gun

[coarse plinth]

recon las

[undone ravine]

Shrimply dont agree with this, isnt the sway too insane for this? I know they made it better but it still sways like a mf

[tall torrent]

Yes

[coarse plinth]

ty

[full nacelle]

very rarely worth it... not really worth the point on most builds

[coarse plinth]

hmm

[tall torrent]

Boltgun pre-patch was still usually mainly used in sharpshooter-esque builds

Sway reduction just made it easier to use which is good

[undone ravine]

I somewhat agree, i use revolver with the focus target whatever talent, the yellow highlights, but its helps alot for my melee centered build

[tall torrent]

You can run Boltgun on a weapon specialist build but it’s essentially using 0% of what boltgun’s good at and fully embracing 100% of what isn’t good about Boltgun

[undone ravine]

I would have to watch someone using it this way to believe

[full nacelle]

See I like to nerf myself and play a 100% revolver based build. Makes it more interesting since I actually have to reload and get to constantly snipe.

[last parcel]

let me just get into my time machine real quick

[tall torrent]

Revolver is basically soft locked into weapon specialist

[full nacelle]

unless your build is actually based around keeping the revolver out

it's not optimal but it is more fun imo

[undone ravine]

I do pretend to be a sniper before the team engages in a horde fight, i love sniping crushers with the critical hit something % rending, but once were in the fray i only use the revolver for a breath to take care of things like gunners and flamers

[full nacelle]

yeah that sounds about right! very strong on pretty much any build to just go weapon specialist + revolver

[tall torrent]

You can start by imaging what a Boltgun talent tree looks like

[full nacelle]

my personal favorite though is a marksman's focus revolver build based around just shooting the crap out of anything that isn't a poxwalker

[undone ravine]

I think it function far better on the foxus target talent, i dont understand how weapon specialist is supposed to be played, like i get why the revolver would be good with it, but the benefits are a handfull of seconds, and dont help at all between fights

[full nacelle]

because you only take the revolver out for a quick second to snipe something

then get back in melee

it's THE weapon specialist gun

[undone ravine]

Yes but it doesnt help outside team fights

[tall torrent]

Near permanent +15% melee attack speed, free crits for revolver (which hits major breakpoints), and doesn’t need u to reload

[undone ravine]

Such as approaching a group of elites

[undone ravine]

It gives free ammo? I thought it gave like 15% reload speed or smth with the crit chance

[tall torrent]

Always prepared loads the gun for u

Maybe u should read what talents do

[full nacelle]

always prepared is what makes it broken

[blissful cliff]

Always prepared is super goated for that

[undone ravine]

You mean the 3.3 reload on whatever event?

[blissful cliff]

It also makes the double barrel very usable

[tall torrent]

Yea

[full nacelle]

it rounds up

3.3% is 1 bullet

so even if you kill 1 poxwalker

[idle swallow]

Zarona Revolver works well in pretty much any talent setup but it works realllly well with WS

[full nacelle]

you get a bullet in the chamber

so on every melee build

WS revolver is optimal

[sour harness]

So I saw some veteran yesterday do 900k DMG in an auric yesterday (with a competent team - don't think anybody went down). It was like 3x the next closest person. He was using a duelling sword, VoC, krak... Any of you karkers know how this wizardry is possible?

[full nacelle]

Which other ones do you think can compete? Genuinely curious as someone who runs a gimped Bolter WS build on one of my melee builds

[tall torrent]

Kill elites & specials faster than others can

[full nacelle]

duelling sword OP, VoC OP, krak OP

that's just a really strong setup

[sour harness]

So a regular build with 3 stamina curios and running ahead is what you're telling me lol

[tall torrent]

Well no, just running ahead & actually killing things efficiently

[full nacelle]

yeah probably just a really good player solo'ing the map with an optimized build

[tall torrent]

Nah Boltpistol doesn’t come close to Zarona outside of the grenadier build

[full nacelle]

personally I don't think DBShotty is competing... It's REALLY good in melee but sucks with any ranged situation

[tall torrent]

It flat out has worse breakpoints

[full nacelle]

I do love it though

[tall torrent]

Needs way more investment to hit breakpoints

[sour harness]

True, I could see it being as simple as that if the other 3 players were awful and getting carried, just seemed like an absurd DMG number for a smooth mission.

[blissful cliff]

Is it worth it to have run and gun on the Bpistol or would something like surgical work better? Specially if i’m using a mercy killer knife

[tall torrent]

Run&gun

[blissful cliff]

It just sucks that it doesn’t proc while sliding

[full nacelle]

I tried both recently and prefer surgical a lot more... I use it on a grenadier build to snipe while everything is being knocked around

[sour harness]

Pretty sure he was using a double barrel shooty (or agripina) too and not a zarona or anything, was just really impressive

[blissful cliff]

The DS is arguably the strongest melee weapon the vet currently has access too

[sour harness]

It may have actually been John Darktide

[full nacelle]

surgical + deadshot = really strong bpistol

[blissful cliff]

I like my lethal proximity nades though <.<

[sour harness]

I agree, for some reason it just seems "off" using it as a vet

[full nacelle]

lethal proximity and surgical is what I run

[tall torrent]

It’s a single target one trick but it’s extremely strong at that

The best all-rounder is still Rashad imo

[full nacelle]

rashad is such a beauty

god I love it

I spent so long farming one before the update and I ain't even a little mad about it

[blissful cliff]

Oh you meant the talent lol

[full nacelle]

oh you mean marksmans focus? yeah and then I realized my build doesn't even use it

so ignore that

lmao

[blissful cliff]

Lolol

[full nacelle]

got confused with my bolter build

[terse idol]

Run and gun and lethal proximity?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[terse idol]

Run and gun is making my brain cook cause I gotta play in a way I'm not used to

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to, it’s very passive benefit

[full nacelle]

why run and gun? I was trying it yesterday and wasn't impressed

[tall torrent]

U have reduced spread & instant sprint to fire

[tall torrent]

Hipfire accuracy & sprint to fire

It’s a general utility blessing

[blissful cliff]

Run and gun’s 15% extra damage should apply to sprint slides

But it doesn’t :(

[tall torrent]

The 15% extra damage doesn’t matter all that much

[full nacelle]

I found that surgical was much better because I didn't need to hipfire or sprint a lot when everything was getting knocked over by frag grenades

[tall torrent]

If Boltpistol had the 0.2s version of surgical I’d consider it

[full nacelle]

surgical with ADS let me special sniper while grenades cleared a path... felt much smoother

[tall torrent]

But it uses the 0.3s version

[vast whale]

This update has brought all of the idiots back. Dying on the last train car with the boss at 2% health because people can't prioritize saves. -_-

[blissful cliff]

Give it a week or two lol

[full nacelle]

that's fair... I still really like surgical + deadshot for it

didn't spend a lot of time sprinting when grenades were being thrown

[terse idol]

I just feel like if you run surgical with bistol you might as well run bolter

[muted prairie]

i know dueling swords are the hot new thing, but boy am i just happy to finally have a perfect rashad

it's everything i hoped it would be and more

[tall torrent]

I think it’s just not worth it considering Boltpistol already takes absurd investment to hit breakpoints

[full nacelle]

I run bolt pistol because it's a grenadier build with lethal proximity which the bolter does not have

[tall torrent]

U’d need to drop all melee talents for that kind of playstyle

[blissful cliff]

Also the special is cool <.<

[full nacelle]

I've been caught

[last parcel]

war crime

[tall torrent]

Then u get the worst melee horde clear in the game on a class that usually wants high melee horde clear

[full nacelle]

I have infinite frag grenades and infiltrate with -90% threat

if I'm having to horde clear in melee

something has gone wrong

[tall torrent]

At that point just drop deadshot for superiority lol, superiority at least helps with gunner breakpoints

Also u need redirect fire for Boltpistol breakpoints unfortunately

[full nacelle]

which ones are those?

[tall torrent]

10% elite + superiority + redirect fire allows u to 1 shot both gunners

Without superiority u need a rly weird talent set-up

[full nacelle]

ah ok I'll play around with it more

maybe thats why run and gun felt so bad

[tall torrent]

U can get around with 25% unarmored for Dreg gunner
But it’ll be like 1188 damage (80% damage roll) on scab gunner which is mad awkward

And this is with both 5% ranged damage nodes, fire team and redirect fire

So it’s just better to take superiority

I’ve done horde clear trials, DS4 horde clear is among the worst available in the game

It’s like ogryn bully club tier horde clear lol

[full nacelle]

preciate all the info! this would definitely explain why run and gun felt so bad compared to surgical for me

probably a lot more consistent

[tall torrent]

Also, 25% unarmored on Boltpistol is not that good because it doesn’t give u Tox bomber 1 tap bodyshot

Unlike plasma

Plasma I think it’s worth running 25% unarmored over 10% elite + superiority

Boltpistol, it’s just better to take superiority

[full nacelle]

so am I still taking flak/maniac then?

[hollow turtle]

bolt pistol is fun.

[full nacelle]

bolt pistol do be being fun

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac, take superiority complex & redirect fire

Drop target down

[full nacelle]

gotcha, just wanted to make sure

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately Boltpistol is a pretty point hungry gun

[full nacelle]

it actually works out perfectly for my build

[tall torrent]

Much like the Boltgun

[full nacelle]

just have to swap deadshot for superiority and target down! to redirect fire!

[hollow turtle]

Works nicely for a commissar Focus Target build.

[full nacelle]

ez pz

and I can still be a full on grenadier degenerate

sweet

[hollow turtle]

Lol that too.

[tall torrent]

No iron will is crazy

[blissful cliff]

I feel like the only thing the grenadier build isn’t too good on is boss damage

[tall torrent]

Boss damage & general horde clear

[blissful cliff]

Either that or it’s a skill issue on my end lmao

[tall torrent]

U don’t want to rely on grenades for horde clear

[full nacelle]

haha yeah and I definitely felt it... I wanted to see just how much of it was placebo since I've used it on every build

yeah its not really meant for poxwalkers

[blissful cliff]

I use it to nuke armor lmao

[full nacelle]

big mixed hordes that your team can't clean up fast enough

throw a grenade or two

ahh thats krak grenades

[tall torrent]

Grenadier is really strong vs mass ragers, maulers & bulwarks

That’s kind of it

[full nacelle]

the grenadier build is usually frags

[blissful cliff]

I run frags

One nade,

[full nacelle]

you're nuking armor with frags?

[blissful cliff]

Everything gets knocked over

Then i stab them all

And they die in a hit or two

[full nacelle]

ohhh

I thought you meant you were onetapping crushers with frags

[blissful cliff]

Fuck no lmao

Mercy killer mark 6 knife

I shiv them to death

[terse idol]

Yeah for the grenadier build
But DMR bolter just kinda kiiiills

[blissful cliff]

The frag isn’t really necessary but i don’t trust pugs

[full nacelle]

you just reminded me that the bleed on frags counts towards mercy killer

I totally forgot about that for some reason

[faint beacon]

I mean Vigilant Rifles also drop things really quickly

[blissful cliff]

Ye, granted it isn’t needed cause serrated blade exist but

[bold comet]

I'm trying to get the penance that requires you to not bounce the Grenade and get 5 kills... as far as I'm concerned you can't cook grenades... what gives?

[full nacelle]

you have to have a REALLY long open room

stand all the way in the back and throw it very high

[tall torrent]

High toss

[bold comet]

Oof

[balmy flume]

You need long distances.
Open end area maps, or maps with bridges.

[full nacelle]

nah that's perfect cause I don't have points to get to serrated

[tall torrent]

Don’t rely on grenades to activate mercy killer for u

[last parcel]

it’s about 40 m away to get it to explode midair

[blissful cliff]

When you go to throw the grenade, the line that shows you the arc will cut off if you aim high enough. That cutoff is actually when/where the grenade explodes

[bold comet]

Thanks m8

[full nacelle]

but funny synergy though

[blissful cliff]

I got it done on the torrent map with the long af bridges

[tall torrent]

Synergy is serrated blade + mercy killer

[full nacelle]

yeah... I have that on another build

[full nacelle]

also I have a confession Mr. Hammer. Before I optimized my bpistol grenadier build I took Confirmed Kill and Out for Blood with Born Leader for funsies

it was not funsies

but it was worth a shot

[pliant prawn]

im never going to get this penance done

[full nacelle]

on overwatch?

[tall torrent]

Gale last night was playing inspiring barrage autopistol with born leader

[full nacelle]

I'M RUNNING THAT! We are the same person LMAO

[pliant prawn]

make eveyr shot count

[tall torrent]

Use double barrel shotgun

[pliant prawn]

im trying

[full nacelle]

just got to shoot random poxwalkers along the way

and not pick up ammo

[pliant prawn]

sometimes someone takes my kill and somtimes i just fucking miss

😭

[full nacelle]

yeah make sure you're running ahead of people

or off to the side

[pliant prawn]

i could do On Overwatch if i wanted to

but i have to be in the mindset for it

prime directive

[full nacelle]

On Overwatch is a little more tricky

Make Every Shot Count is just... Find a lone poxwalker and dump your ammo until empty

or dump it into the boss

[last parcel]

you’re missing with a shotgun?

[pliant prawn]

YES

[full nacelle]

and then pray nobody has survivalist and gives you 1 ammo when the mission ends

[true jackal]

the new train mission is quick enough and you have to blitz it enough I got it "on accident"

was one of my last of the og penances I needed

[pliant prawn]

like i said sometimes i just miss

the screenshake infuriates the fuck outta me

[full nacelle]

you got to just go find some lonely poxwalkers to demolish

get a low level DBshotgun and blast them

then go melee the rest of the mission

[tall torrent]

Go to settings, interface, and turn camera sway intensity to 0%

[full nacelle]

500 hours into my Darktide career and I just found out about this setting

[tall torrent]

U can even change ur crosshairs

[full nacelle]

[tall torrent]

Use rapid fire fyi

[frank ether]

stuff like screenshake or motion blur always question who its there for

[full nacelle]

now you're just getting crazy

[frank ether]

at least ray tracing I understand the idea

[trim steppe]

Unless they patched it, that doesn't break the penance so long as the moment you hit zero ammo you switch to melee and never switch back

[full nacelle]

oh that's nice!

[tribal pelican]

what is the point of the power sword? what is it good at I dont see many people running it these days

what do people ussualy throw on it besides power cycler

[trim steppe]

It kills everything in a 180 arc 6m in front of you. Power cycle and brutal momentum

It just makes you slow and you have to charge it all the time

But it's very strong

[tribal pelican]

mobility dump stat as per ussual?

[sleek garden]

Make your big boom feel powerful instead of playing a 2d shooter from 1996 I suppose

[trim steppe]

I prefer dumping cleave targets to squeeze some extra movement speed out of it, but you can dump mobility and be fine

[uncut pebble]

Yes, but some argue cleave targets because bm is carrying you.

The difference between 60-80 mobility is... negligible.

[tribal pelican]

thanks for all the input and how do we feel about the diffrent mks

[uncut pebble]

Mk6 is better.

Empowered lights swing in a 180 degree arc.

[trim steppe]

Pretty much straight up the mk6 is better

[uncut pebble]

Your single target is PA into a light, should kill anything if you hit headshots with both.

But if you're a goofy little goober, we can't stop you from running a mk3.

[trim steppe]

Mk3 is perfectly serviceable

Just no reason not to run the mk6 at this point in the game

[true jackal]

horizontal heavies on the mk3 are very nice

level at head height with bm and let rip

^

afaik most classes melees are all perfectly viable

[trim steppe]

All weapons work, just some clear overtuned and undertuned ones.

[tame lodge]

Rip tac axes

[scenic merlin]

can i see the tree you guys use for power sword

[frank ether]

I did try tac axe last week

infinite dodge is funny

[trim steppe]

Tac axes got effed by the brutal momentum update and never recovered

[true jackal]

i'd say most if not all melees don't have as much of the "if you are good enough" they tend to work pretty well