veteran-class

[noble depot]

yea i didnt kow

[blissful cliff]

Ye ye

[noble depot]

i asumed it was like a Vet thing to be able too

[toxic leaf]

vet melee is also jsut as good as zealot melee, but vet has better ranged options due to the tree diff

[noble depot]

BEcause i really couldnt figure out the difference between Zea and Vet other than charge/grenade

compared to Vermintide 2 the classes feel so similar

[blissful cliff]

I mean when you boil it down to that

[silent swift]

it is really only in there ults/ tree and grenade

[blissful cliff]

There’s virtually no difference except ults and grenades lmao

Except class unique weapons

[noble depot]

:/

[toxic leaf]

right now veteran can do everything a zealot can do except throw knives

[silent swift]

like I said the more strict differenciation is long gone after patch 13

they pushed vet so hardcore into zealot like gameplay it is insane

[blissful cliff]

Vet feels like the hardest tree to figure out lmao

[toxic leaf]

vet tree actually has choices to make

[noble depot]

Sad that the classes seem so stripped compared to V2

[toxic leaf]

unlike zealot that takes everything they want

and picks a keystone

[blissful cliff]

And psyker is the same pretty much

[serene bough]

im pleased how the bolter feels now

is good

[silent swift]

problem is, they made you play every class multiple times so strict differenciation can't hold up to this shit

[toxic leaf]

ogryn is also the same, mostly because the gunlugger keystone side is very bad and not worth it when not trying to do BLO memes

they can take pretty much whatever they want, they just pick the ability

[blissful cliff]

Honestly, that’s probably why my buddy is struggling so bad on vet

[noble depot]

I played the bow elf in V2, cant find anything to play like that yet

[earnest bone]

wat, Veteran skill tree literally allows for like 30-50 different builds

VT2 isn't even close to that

[blissful cliff]

Cause zealot feels pretty self-explanatory. It feels ‘hard’ to get a subpar build on zealot

[toxic leaf]

vet has to choose between agile engagement, field improv, exhilarating, bring it down, rending strikes, superiority complex

[blissful cliff]

You’d gave to actively try lmao

But on vet, you need to think carefully what choices to make

[toxic leaf]

theres a ton of things you cant take with a g iven vet build that would be awesome to have

[noble depot]

As a new player it doesnt feel like it, it feels like builds are similar whereas in V2 it was like 3 main builds per character and they were all super different

[blissful cliff]

And how you want your build to play

[silent swift]

It is manly some small differences, it has by far not this big shifts like vt2

[noble depot]

im happy to be wrong but its just right when im figuring out which class to level

[earnest bone]

well, you have 3 different final nodes here, but the variety comes from how you reach these nodes and what weapons you are gonna use, the synergy is important

[noble depot]

i dont see anything surface level to tell me what i want

[blissful cliff]

I would say, that’s because there’s a hard fantasy they can lean into

They unfortunately didn’t lean enough into the hard dramatics of 40k

[noble depot]

100%

Are there shields?

[toxic leaf]

also part of the issue is just enemy dynamics

[tawny badger]

the hard dramatics?

[tawny badger]

for ogryn, yes

and.. technically psyker

[toxic leaf]

if you take a melee only build, you are absolutely crippled when snipers, tox bombers, and bombers spawn on you

[silent swift]

I would recommend to you that you level both classes a little bit. but the range only class like bow elve would be the veteran, but i highly recommend to not play it. it is unnecessary difficult for like 0 benefits

[blissful cliff]

Not my best use of words <.<

[noble depot]

ive had a quick google, apparently there are like snipers and shotguns

ive seen none of these, are they class locked?

[toxic leaf]

there's a heavy incentive to homogenize builds in this game because of how bad the game would feel when those specialists and elites spawn on you and there's nothing you can do but hope your team has something

[blissful cliff]

Yea, a pure melee class would absolute struggle in darktide

[toxic leaf]

like you can take double barreled shotgun on your vet and then just hold your dick in your hands when you have 3 snipers and a tox bomber on the top train in rolling steel

pls team kill

[blissful cliff]

Grail knight aim’t blocking shit lmaoo

[noble depot]

Ye V2 doesnt have that really

[tawny badger]

sort of
snipers (assuming you're talking about the helbore lasgun) is exclusive to veteran
there is the vigilant autogun which is accessible to all classes (but ogryn)
shotguns are accessible to all classes (but ogryn, but they have their own version)

[noble depot]

Its kinda weird they havent added more classes

[torn gorge]

why

[tawny badger]

in vt2?

[noble depot]

No in Darktide

[torn gorge]

current ones have lot of depth in how they can be played

[noble depot]

Vt2 has the sub classes whatever they got called

[orchid hemlock]

Nah this game already has a lot of variaty to the talent tree

[tawny badger]

darktide also essentially has subclasses via the talent tree

[noble depot]

but V2's offered like big class like changes

[silent swift]

bro we got a crafting system rework after 2 years. we are happy that we get updates in like 4mmonths xDD

[noble depot]

The fire mage had a sub spec where you were a necromancer

[orchid hemlock]

Darktide also doesn't have thematic "classes" like in fantasy WH

[torn gorge]

which was released more than 5 years after

[noble depot]

yea they kinda fucked it lol

[torn gorge]

sienna careers were kinda similar, specifically between pyromancer and battle wizard

[tawny badger]

we also are kinda just nameless dickheads in darktide

[noble depot]

Warhammer seems to have alot of themes, probably too out of scope for the Darktide se tting

[silent swift]

but to be fair. VT2 classes really make a difference in your gameplay in darktide these is no big difference in cahning builds tbh

[noble depot]

yea

[silent swift]

in the end you merly change anything in ur skill tree, just use other weps for diversity.

[torn gorge]

i would disagree

[noble depot]

tbh, V2 would make flamethrower a class, Darktide its just a weapon option

[torn gorge]

weapon spec setup plays very differently from left capstone

for example

[west arch]

What perks do you tend to run on your recon, if I may ask?

[torn gorge]

or Exec stance vs infiltrate

on vet

[sharp echo]

crit chance and flak

[west arch]

Thank ya!

[silent swift]

playin bow oriented elf and playin the dark elve class really made a differnce. playin autogun on executioners stance or on infiltrate does not really differ much. ofc you can make "totally" different builds. but tbh in the end you are mostly hitting things with your meele wep to death xD and thats why "range" oriented builds in DT are not really worth the hustle.

[topaz lance]

Ok Tac Axe feels nice

[silent swift]

Ah VoC revolver vet can snipe specials as fast as a lasgun executioners but has the easierst life in any situtaion like ever. xD

[strange crow]

Battle wizard was a spammy ranged character, pyro was more of a crit farmer/sniper so not that similar

[noble depot]

is it just me or are the levels longer than in V2?

im actually struggling to beat any

they take so long and teams just die, we are like difficulty 3

we are so shit

[silent swift]

pretty same like 30min was the same in vt2, or not?

[stray sage]

VT 2 is "easier" because you can clutch with grey health

[blissful cliff]

It's the same length

[silent swift]

it is much more difficult because you have the constant hybrid gameplay between range and meele due to the much higher range density of enemies

[stray sage]

In DT health lost is health lost

[hearty panther]

20-30m for a map that's 'easy' yeah

[tawdry jackal]

Fucking marksman Bolter holy shit

[noble depot]

mine are like 40+

i swear V2 was like 20 minutes

[stray sage]

V2 being an older game with less ranged enemies to pin you down

[noble depot]

maybe because i feel so lost in the maps here and im not as grounded in what i kow

[tawdry jackal]

Like executioners stance, marksman focus or whatever, all possible reload talents

As long as I have one round left in the mag and shot a few dudes in the head+one elite: 70% faster reload

Reload in 2s

[stray sage]

Its just practice

VT2 has a lot of people who know the maps back to front

[tawdry jackal]

Even just 30% combined reload speed on a normal shout build from two talents is hilarious

[stray sage]

Even Chaos Wastes; play enough and you know the tiles

[noble depot]

like me lol

also my elf, i can run and shoot

[silent swift]

still miss deadly accurate. bolt pistol has hit, why the fk does the gun not O.o

[tawdry jackal]

Chunk chunk chunk

[wet elk]

pretty good rolls?

[tawdry jackal]

Idk I put surgical on it. I could try the bolt pistol too fuck it

[noble depot]

If i get into a fight in Darktide, i have to stop moving

[silent swift]

yea was plain stupidty by fatshark not to put it on after this patch

like fk puncture. dont need this useless bleed

[stray sage]

Also significantly more ranged specials

You also don't have classes that have a "Press F to kill special" Button

[tawdry jackal]

Like I wouldn’t use bleed talents on a bolter idk why it exists

[stray sage]

Looking at you Kerellian

[tawdry jackal]

They bleeding already from a hole exploding in their chest

[silent swift]

too make bolter more attractive on zealot

[noble depot]

elf had that haha

[silent swift]

same to fkin fire frency.

[stray sage]

Yeah Bolt Pistol blessings are weird

You'd think they have more damage-oriented perks

[noble depot]

my entire build was special killing and the spear so i could line kill with headshots

[tidal rapids]

Looks good to me, this is the kind of combo that I need to put on myself more often than given by Hadron.

[stray sage]

The difficulty for hordes in DT is that you can't just wade in and farm grey health like you could in VT2. Push, combo, get health, repeat.

[strange crow]

I wouldn’t say so, dodging has a smaller margin for error and there is no shield health like there is in Darktide

[noble depot]

Is it just me or are heahlth potions like non existant in this game compared to V2?

[tidal rapids]

Though admittedly I generally only run lasguns of one type or another as vet myself

[stray sage]

Well, unlike VT you can't "Bring around" health as readily as you could

[silent swift]

but idk reloading on bolter isnt the prob for me. the grandpa like weapon ready makes it fkin trash

[stray sage]

Medicae stations are static.

Health stims are random

[strange crow]

If you’re going all books bringing around health isn’t really a thing

[noble depot]

Im so used to my bow with piercing

that hordes would fall, they dont in here

[silent swift]

take executioners revolver. you one shot crusher and can switch weapons as fast a f1 car chasing the finishing line

[tawdry jackal]

Tactical reload requires a talent before it that gives you 25% weapon draw

[stray sage]

Only weapon that can do that reliably are hellbore lasguns IMHO

[tawdry jackal]

Like idk I never had a problem whipping it out

I usually keep it out when I’m using it too

[silent swift]

i know the one mostion perk gives 25% weapon swap speed

but still revolver ist like the real bolter

fkin obliterating litteraly everything in sight

so stupid that a fkin rocket deals less dmg than a tiny ass wild west gun

[noble depot]

im on difficulty 2

and we cant win...

[blissful cliff]

WAR FUNDING!

[noble depot]

Am i that bad i throw my entire team

[blissful cliff]

What level are you?

[noble depot]

10

this team are 9,15,13

[blissful cliff]

And you're doing malice?

[noble depot]

i dont remember the name

[stray sage]

Might just be new people who haven't fully grasped the game yet.

[blissful cliff]

level 3 difficulty?

[stray sage]

Remember back in the VT2 early days when this could happen?

[noble depot]

im just loading out the level

[stray sage]

An unlucky boss spawn and shit hits the fan

It is what it is

[noble depot]

Uprising

It was letting me do Malice so i was doing that

it was like 50/50 win or lose

i actually want to get some xp and gold as i have nothing

so i dropped to Uprising and we still get shit on

all quickplay

[stray sage]

Which region are you doing it in?

Asian?

[noble depot]

EU

[blissful cliff]

I'd say it's probably because there's just so much more to deal with in Darktide than in VT2

I can play a couple matches with you if you'd like?

[noble depot]

if you want

[blissful cliff]

kk, give me just a sec

[noble depot]

im just gonna pee and refill my drink

[stark cove]

I love krak grenades

[blissful cliff]

Pulls out KRAK grenade "The Emperor Protects."

[noble depot]

I am a machine that turns tasty water into not tasty water

[blissful cliff]

I'm willing to bet there's a stronger disparity between being low level in VT2 versus in Darktide

I don't recall feeling too too weak in VT2, weapons also to my knowledge didn't have stats, merely perks

[noble depot]

Im actually quite salty we cant use our weapons in the hub

like i wana just test out the feel of it

[stray sage]

I mean also characters who don't have ready access to armor-piercing in the early game in DT

In VT 2 there were ways around it with the right characters.

[blissful cliff]

Run to the psykanium!

[stray sage]

And guns generally had good armor piercing

[noble depot]

i just found that lol

[stray sage]

But in DT not all guns work against carapace

[blissful cliff]

Yea even like

Just about every weapon had an answer against all enemies in Vermentide

[noble depot]

Ready?

[blissful cliff]

Oh, hold on trying to stuff this food real quick

[magic citrus]

anyone here still use powersword?

[noble depot]

What are you stuffing your food into? 😏

[blissful cliff]

That's my secret to tell

[noble depot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fire-flamethrower-burn-on-fire-gif-7684110515453159552

[strange crow]

You don’t know pain until you’ve tried horde clearing with Sienna’s mace

[blissful cliff]

Just blow up

Easy

[strange crow]

Real

[blissful cliff]

okay, ready

[noble depot]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Londii/

Youre not ingame according to steam but i got invited

[blissful cliff]

Yea, that's cause i hide like a gremlin

[noble depot]

Is that a lvl 3 and lvl 2?

in Malice

[blissful cliff]

It'll be fine

Also with the new system i don't believe you're stuck with low level weps on low level characters since you can sort of just

[noble depot]

You just said dont go into Malice unless you are lvl 10 lol

[blissful cliff]

Yea if you're a new player

[noble depot]

Can you transfer items?

[blissful cliff]

No, but resources are account wide

[noble depot]

kk

[blissful cliff]

As soon as you unlock crafting you can just

make end game weps lol

[noble depot]

oh right ok

also does the game scale based on player count?

i feel so slow lol

[lyric dock]

What a wonderful warm up game for my Vet Slightly annoyed that Armored zombies don't count on the scoreboard, but oh well

Ogryn and Psyker spent most of the finale of the Carnival at the middle of the theater so they just got eaten alive by every damn shooter possible while Zealot and I stayed decently covered in one of the few decent hold spots

[noble depot]

This is so much faster

[candid agate]

whats the dump stat for boltor

[blissful cliff]

nah it's difficulty

[blissful cliff]

mobility

[candid agate]

cheers

[noble depot]

Did i lose connection!!

at the last moment!

[sharp echo]

what perc on knife with uncanny anjd lacerate

[blissful cliff]

reconnect

[sharp echo]

question?

[blissful cliff]

i wish i knew lmao

I run maniac and like

crit chance or something dumb like that

[noble depot]

So i have no trusts still

i have 1/3 slots open

[blissful cliff]

no trust?

[noble depot]

oh curios

yes lol

[torn gorge]

everyone and their mother just now group up right of the medistation anyway

[sharp echo]

you can close the gate, it's a good spot.

[lyric dock]

Yep

And if you catch the gate as soon as it opens you won't get any spawns on you

[sullen merlin]

Which recon gun is overall the best bang for your buck?

[sharp echo]

I actually like having 2 on each gate

[torn gorge]

minus the shotgunner packs spawning on the ramparts on top of you

[sharp echo]

but it'shard to set up

[tame lodge]

The heavy one

[lyric dock]

I rarely see shotgunners up there as they tend to spawn on the other side of the arena or go down the stairs head into the meat grinder

[torn gorge]

in terms of usability? probably the green one

[tame lodge]

Unless you want to go for a hyper specific brrrr build with the one that shoots fast

[sharp echo]

god i love the 1200 rpm one

especially with a celerity stim

it's comical

[sullen merlin]

Mark 14?

[tame lodge]

Idk haven't learned the new names

[torn gorge]

heavy one is the brown one

[tame lodge]

The tan one

[torn gorge]

green is middle

blue is fastest rof

[tall torrent]

XII

[sullen merlin]

Thank ye

[sharp echo]

do you have this for revolver

[tall torrent]

This newest format is WIP and not applies to all ranged weapons’ pages

[sharp echo]

ok

[tall torrent]

But the older format is still there

It’s in the pinned MS word link

[sullen merlin]

JESUS

Its a bullethose

[tall torrent]

Wait I made a mistake

It’s 1200rpm auto, not single

[sharp echo]

also stores like 1500 ammo

[sullen merlin]

Brrrrrr

[noble depot]

@blissful cliff

Are you alive? Or have the robots taken you?

[blissful cliff]

Did you not see the striketeam messages?

[noble depot]

yes

i replied and said im ready

[blissful cliff]

oh wth, i don't see your reply lmao

[noble depot]

It was a while ago too

Ive been running in circles lol

[blissful cliff]

my b, i would have started it instantly had i seen it

[noble depot]

i assumed there might have been a problem

[winged laurel]

now this is a knife

[candid agate]

whats the max power rating a weapon straight from brunt can be?

[hasty otter]

380

(80x4)+60

[hasty otter]

This is due to a rounding error though. You do occasionally get bangers like this from brunt.

[winged laurel]

you could say im special...

[sharp echo]

ok yes this build absolutely fucks

[jovial sky]

fast lasgun detracts from the game

[jaunty spindle]

Boltgun blessings? Seems like its okay now

[winged laurel]

pinning fire and shattering

[jaunty spindle]

Any preferred build with it?

[winged laurel]

i personally use left side tree

[faint beacon]

What the revolver?

[sharp echo]

yes

it's amazing

thanks

[faint beacon]

Yeah no worries

[winged laurel]

there

[tough flower]

Just found out the Mobian poxwalkers from the event count as armored for the case of the armourbane penance

Just to help along anyone still plucking away at it like I am

[sick tree]

anyone got a good recon mk12 build and perks?

[dark echo]

Is there an ideal Bolt Pistol build? Trying to improve this

[austere mica]

What usecase and build?

[dark echo]

Honestly just running this one with a chain axe on a melee build. Top half of the tree is what you expect

Confirmed kill, shredders, scavenger etc

[austere mica]

Deadly accurate over point blank

Point blank is entirely redundant with weapon spec

Also eww VoC

[dark echo]

I've done the meta columnus/plasma enough, looking to just get stuck in and hit things with a chainaxe, pulling out the pistol for anything I can't reach

Because it looks cool

But I want it to not be shit too

[idle swallow]

become krieg pilled with shovel/helbore

[flat pebble]

based and krieg pilled

[uncut nest]

Keep this or scrap it?

[cinder wadi]

what is the horde clear combo for the atrox Mk VII?

[tall torrent]

H1 + PA loop

[faint beacon]

Honestly surprised you're passing out on Bring it down or Rending strikes

[dark echo]

Didn't want to give up grenade regen for it

[faint beacon]

I tend to be patient so im perfectly fine with the 1 minute regen

[pearl sapphire]

Bolt pistol + krak grenade = no armor

[delicate hornet]

been having a lot of fun with a doublebarrel weapon spec build recently, manstopper with guaranteed crits is fun as hell for screenclearing hordes

[frank basin]

try invest for test

[deep hill]

Don't forget you can always discard purps and oranges to get plasteel back if you didn't pre farm before the update.

[uncut nest]

Its been a very long time since I've played so thats great to know, thanks!

[echo vortex]

people dont use the lfg anymore? feels so dead compared to before

[last parcel]

there’s a party finder in game now

[tame fox]

does anyone know why my knife keeps braking? i roll 80/80/80/80/60 from brunt, consecrate it to gold, and the empower to 400(my max rn) but as soon as i go 400 my 60 goes down to 58 or 57

[last parcel]

darktide rounding fuckery. they’re trying to fix it

[tame fox]

hm unlucky

okty

[echo vortex]

also empty lol

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/alone-forever-gif-9663127

[grand girder]

Heya, somewhat new. Been a few months since I last played and picked up the game again. Could someone who plays veteran a lot tell me if Covering Fire applies to yourself as well ?

[last parcel]

it does not

i will now use this moment to shill the veteran guide in the ms word link from the latest pinned message. still wip but very comprehensive

[echo vortex]

alternative wep to shout vet, tired of plasma gun. can lasgun handle?

[thick needle]

Bolter

I know Helbore has that new armorbane blessing but idk how it handles yet

[tame lodge]

Not worth it

[thick needle]

Shame

[echo vortex]

=/

[tame lodge]

Turns out a good way to apply brittleness is being fast and not one shotting it lmao

[echo vortex]

is the burn lasgun still a thing? as in can be built into on auric/damm

[last parcel]

only on recons. it’s outclassed by dumdum/deathspitter recon but isn’t unusable. so yes it can

[oblique totem]

Skill issue

[buoyant mica]

its been a few months since i played whats the best weapon for veteran atm?

[tall torrent]

armorbane is not that impactful

mainly because helbores don't have particularly bad ADMs that it can fix

maniac ADM (ranged atk) is pretty low but armorbane doesn't work for first shot

[feral flax]

ADM?

[tall torrent]

armor dmg modifier

[tame lodge]

Zarona revolver
Plasma
Vraks 5

Bistol

Bolter

Recons

Laspistol

Double Barrel

[wispy pine]

Hello guys have you already tried Hot-Shot blessing for helbore lasgun?

[fresh mango]

the answer is any weapon really but objectively plasma is still one of the best

[last parcel]

pretty mid but is bugged to apply to your melee weapon so that’s funny

[hasty otter]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zwfO7jNjnDo?si=qS7z-goyw6l8dQuA

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s a bug

[thick needle]

So is Falter and No Respite the two blessings for Helbore rn

[toxic leaf]

are braced autos suppression immune because hip fire?

[thick needle]

Is Cleave a good 60% for dueling sword

[tribal pelican]

Im having trouble making bolter work for me in auric level missions

[thick needle]

Show us the trait tree

[tame lodge]

Ew
Surgical Weight of Fire is your friend

[brisk shuttle]

best lasgun/main firearm rn?

[thick needle]

Just max your reload speed and use VoC

[tribal pelican]

this is what iv been running with

[fresh mango]

what mk hellbore do yall use?

[last parcel]

all of them

[brisk shuttle]

is hellbore the new hotness or is infantry still good?

[final locust]

So does changing which mk weapon you have just work the same as having them independently if you get what i mean

or is the difference just cosmetic now

[last parcel]

they're still functionally different in moveset and such

[tame lodge]

Still too early to determine if Helby is taking over because of one motion

[unique orchid]

Are the heavy sword lights pretty weak or is it just me

[brisk shuttle]

fair. the infantry still feels really solid tbh

[tame lodge]

They are weak but depending on the mark they have an unique cleave damage distribution

[tall torrent]

one motion is best for plasma / grenadier builds

for most other weapons it's not that big of a boost

for plasma u can draw to fire a bit faster which feels better
for grenade builds u can toss frag grenades faster in a pinch

[unique orchid]

I think i use the mark... 9?

The one with the eagle pommel

[tall torrent]

heavy sword is basically just heavy atk spam

light atks are weak

[tame lodge]

If it's the 9 then you don't have that unique CDD on the lights
But your H1 has 11+ cleave and you deal full damage to 2 targets

[unique orchid]

Its a big fuckoff saber why are the lights so weeeaaaak ;-;

[fleet garden]

ngl that looks awful for bolter

[tame lodge]

It's not Heavy Sword because of the weight

[last parcel]

heavy saber using heavy attacks sounds appropriate

[tribal pelican]

cool nice awsome what SHOULD I run

[balmy pulsar]

Any good tips for doing on overwatch its one of the last vet penances I have to do and I'm having a lot of trouble with it

[somber axle]

Because it's a heavy saber. If it were a light saber it could work but that is a different universe

[somber axle]

I have something one sec

[last parcel]

with wep spec bolter you're mostly going to rely on melee to clear shooter trash so you'll have to be good at sliding/getting to cover

ah the essay is coming

[fleet garden]

I would say that you need the reload perk at start to not make it feel awful and I personally preffer to run focus target

[somber axle]

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 8 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[unique orchid]

Its mostly one of those "weapon nerd nitpicks" since a blade of that size and weight should by all accounts "FUCKING HURT" en quote

[somber axle]

You can earn it on Malice so a Malice Low Intensity would be the easiest difficulty to attempt it

[oblique totem]

Trying to make my heavy sword a monstrosity killer. Any suggestions?

[somber axle]

Also remember that you can underhand throw shredder frag grenades without breaking stealth to clear rooms and make space

[fleet garden]

swap to focus, get longshot and volley adept, this leaves you with 1 point to put in where you want, like deadshot, redirect fire or more crit

[gloomy pollen]

I got it yesterday just doing the train mission since it's that short

got every for the emperor penance at the same time

[somber axle]

Train mission sounds like a neat way to get it quick

[final locust]

ok, thanks

[balmy pulsar]

thank you pals ill put that build together now and jump into the next malice train i see

[final locust]

ayo

is it just me or does the new mission feel weird

my frames are fine but it feels laggy

[unique orchid]

Weird how

[somber axle]

New mission is a fun DPS race

[last parcel]

yeah common issue

[bleak jackal]

i'm in search for a vet stealth build for the dueling sword anyone has a cool setup?

[unique orchid]

Check your settings my fps were capped at 40
Also nvidia reflex makes the game lag

[last parcel]

idk if there's a the fix lol

[somber axle]

But it is awkward if you get dropped into an in progress train mission where half the time is up and they're still at the start LOL

[final locust]

im getting around 120 fps but it feels less than 60 sometimes

its weird

I just put it down to the fact that they havent got the "moving train" part correct

[unique orchid]

Try turning off FSR if its on

[final locust]

being on a moving object not having been done right

[final locust]

ty, ill keep that in mind, i probably wont bother because it doesnt make it unplayable

just makes it feel a bit laggy

[unique orchid]

Indeed

[echo vortex]

i cant find accatran vld on the accatran marks

[tall torrent]

XII

[unique orchid]

A lot of the marks got renamed with UnL

[echo vortex]

ty

[unique orchid]

I think the Mg1a ILas is now the mark 12

[faint beacon]

I like Quading my team in total damage on Auric and then getting swarmed by the Ai Director just saying fuck you die

[tall torrent]

no, VII

[faint beacon]

fucking hell man

Let the find another carry

[runic meadow]

itll say torrent

[tall torrent]

u on for later

[faint beacon]

Maybe

idfk

Im getting really fed up with really bad auric pubs

[unique orchid]

Another show that you can kill as many enemies as you like but teamwork makes the dreamwork

[faint beacon]

They literally kept going down

[dark echo]

Which chain axe is better for vet?

[faint beacon]

So I had to try to get distance off them to give them breathing room

[unique orchid]

I will concede im not an auric player, so i will defer to your judgement

[faint beacon]

20 dreg ragers

• hound pack

yeah I have to give them room

[tall torrent]

12

[last parcel]

20 fucking ragers
hoLy sHit

[dark echo]

Just shoot them

[unique orchid]

To be fair i think 20 ragers and a dog pack would down most people

[faint beacon]

I can tell you haven't dealth with a huge rager pack

[dark echo]

If you have a columnus or a plasma, they are no issue whatsoever

Literally just backslide and shoot

[faint beacon]

its because they're extremely over fucking tuned

No shit Columnus/Plasma drops them pathetically easily

I dont play those guns

[unique orchid]

Aye dreg ragers are super fuckin scary, though i kinda fw it

[dark echo]

Then toss a couple shredder grenades on the floor

All of them are dead

[last parcel]

bro it's easy just zarona revolver them lol lmao

[faint beacon]

I would've if I wasn't being eaten alive by a hound

yeah bro just use infiltrate you're just bad

[unique orchid]

Or shieldgryn, lightning psyker, etc

[faint beacon]

has over nearly 800 hours dumped into vet alone

yeah my bad

[dark echo]

Apparently

[faint beacon]

I heavily doubt you play auric or mael

[unique orchid]

I wont say its your fault here, one rager in a bad spot is sometimes a wipe on its own

[faint beacon]

its literally why me and path fucking hate dreg ragers

scab ragers whatever

dreg's

can cause the fastest wipe

[dark echo]

Buddy, literally just shoot them

Auric is easy

[faint beacon]

"Just shoot them crowd"

when there's fucking 20 OF THEM ON YOU

You're baiting there's no fucking way you genuinely think this

[dark echo]

Do you not know the tech to dodge backwards and slide?

It gives you so much room to work with

Or again

Just 2 shredder grenades

[balmy pulsar]

worked perfectly pal you have my thanks

[faint beacon]

Holy shit I was literally doing that

You run out of dodges

[balmy pulsar]

[hearty panther]

i had a match last week where we had a horde + rager wave and for some reason it just.... didn't end

[dark echo]

Sounds like a positioning issue then

[hearty panther]

by the end of the fight there was 53 more elite kills on the board

almost all ragers

it was pretty hilarious

[faint beacon]

Ermm... Skill issue

[hearty panther]

i have no fucken idea whar we did to piss off the AI director there

[faint beacon]

The AI director has been like this lately

[last parcel]

and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming

[somber axle]

Congrats! 😄

[faint beacon]

its something else just getting swarmed by like 30+ elites

[last parcel]

doesn't make sense not to live for fun

[unique orchid]

This is why i dont play auric

[dusk idol]

playing archivum and got blown down 5 levels to the bottom of the staircase, had to watch the crushers gunners and ragers spawn in in front of me in the middle of hordes

[faint beacon]

Its either wow this is great, carrying the team, or the most miserable experience you will ever have

[unique orchid]

Fair, reg damn can be overstimulating for me so i imagine auric being a nightmare

[faint beacon]

Not even saying this as an "Elitist stay out of my Aurics!" type of mindset

seriously

avoid aurics if thats so

it gets so hellish

[unique orchid]

Way ahead of you

[last parcel]

elitist vet chat at it again smh my hadron

[full nacelle]

duelling sword is a good boss killer right?

[unique orchid]

Good everything really

[full nacelle]

perfect ❤️

yeah I love it man

[terse gate]

Oh the 3 pump shottys which is "best"

Only ever used slug

[unique orchid]

I dont really like shotgun vet tbh, though i prefer the flame shell one

[full nacelle]

the slug one is usually considered the "best" but it's just kind of an ok special sniper and not much else

[fleet garden]

yes

[terse gate]

idk wanted to do a chain axe +somethign build

but I know chain axe is rough for ad clear

[fleet garden]

im running bolter with bleed+pinning and duelling with thrust to tap bosses

[unique orchid]

Did you know you can hit crusher heads through their spinal column with the mk4 heavy?

[full nacelle]

the accatran (incindiary shell) one is pretty good on zealot cause it can cleave massive hordes with fire

[terse gate]

just got my plasma and las pistol to 20, wanted to try something different

[full nacelle]

the zarona (lawbringer) is the most shotgunny of the shotguns but requires a very specific build to be good or it sucks

[fleet garden]

crit is also nice on bolter but it onetaps elites anyway so bleed is for bosses

[full nacelle]

have to build around 100% crit chance massive buckshot special shells

[tall torrent]

Lawbringer is renamed to Zarona

[full nacelle]

oh is it the zarona now?

fixed it

[unique orchid]

The shotguns just seem like theyre a better fit on zeallie than vet, but yeah depends really on what you wanna use it for

[terse gate]

So what would i kinda build

[full nacelle]

personally I like the lawbringer (zarona) the best because it has the most unique shotgun playstyle

[terse gate]

Idk wanted to use Chain axe as big heavy hitter with a shotty for aoe

[full nacelle]

I'll explain my zarona shotgun build in a sec I'm in a game

[unique orchid]

Ive been using heavy sword and mk10 laspistol for a minute now

Though my other build is ILas and Muni shovel

Both are fun

[terse gate]

no rush, build tinkering anyways

[full nacelle]

sweet ❤️

I'll nerd about it soon

[unique orchid]

The OG chainsword is also good for single target with its rev

[low pagoda]

wich combat axe is the best

[fleet garden]

I preffer the antax mk5

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk3

[ancient path]

hows deadly accurate on bolt pistols?

[faint beacon]

If you plan to snipe with it, its good

[unique orchid]

It is good if you live up to the blessing's namesake

[faint beacon]

Putting it in the most brutal honest terms lmao

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iMrzShGXR71Vpmxdh?invite=cr-MSx3a3gsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Also love bullying bosses back into their spawn

[idle swallow]

Can the sapper shovel special stagger a rager out of attacking

[unique orchid]

I dont say it to be mean kek, every weapon is pretty good if you can aim, some just have a lot more leeway in their definition of "can aim"

[faint beacon]

Which one

[idle swallow]

Basic boy shovel, no flip

[faint beacon]

Aim at the head

yeah it can

Mid rager combo it'll stagger them

[unique orchid]

Muni shovel is the chad weapon, slap uncanny on it

[faint beacon]

Uncanny + Skullcrusher if you want a safe option

be a gambler like me and do

Uncanny + Decimater

[unique orchid]

Uncanny and thrust if youre a freak (me)

[faint beacon]

Mk7/3

are good with that

[unique orchid]

Does the shovel have limbsplitter? Thats a weird yet funny blessing

[full nacelle]

it does and it's great

limbsplitter + thrust = free crusher oneshot

[unique orchid]

I might switch thrust w limb

Randomly get damage spikes while digging a trench through heretical organs

[faint beacon]

Its...

Alright?

[last parcel]

it resets count down when you hit something so it's 1 damage spike until you idle for 5s or however long

[faint beacon]

I mean its fun dont get me wrong

[unique orchid]

Sadge

[faint beacon]

Yeah which doesn't happen often

thats why I dont say "ew bad blessing"

it has its uses you just have to run like

[unique orchid]

I will put thrust on my HSword though

[faint beacon]

a Braced Autogun

Wait what

thrust is on HS

[unique orchid]

I think?

I might be misremembering

[faint beacon]

let me check this thing is literally my go too melee

Thrust is on DS

i know that for a fact

Wow you're right

[unique orchid]

Be kinda sad if the HSword doesnt have the Heavy Attack Blessing

[last parcel]

the real one is thrust slaughterer unpowered psword

[unique orchid]

Oh wow im right

[faint beacon]

Seeing it has Pseudo-Brutal Momentum

i was considering trying Headtaker + Bladed Momentum

and see if that does wonders at all

cause my Deathblow + Headtaker one has Cleave Target as the dump stat and Deathblow makes up for it

[unique orchid]

If i hit a mutant head with a heavy i can one shot them on heresy i think

[faint beacon]

This if you're curious

[unique orchid]

Thrust should make it better

[faint beacon]

My HT + DB does that without any damage stacks

Could be from precision strikes talent

literally just aim the overhead on a mutie and kill it instantly

[unique orchid]

Probably

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iLiaYOFgFQImym1nz?invite=cr-MSx1MzgsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[unique orchid]

HSword feels both strong and weak at the same time kinda im gonna be honest

[faint beacon]

its so funny how violently the fall over

[faint beacon]

lights are shit, but the heavies are where the real good shit comes out of it

[unique orchid]

Since i can one shot fodder and a handful of specials but my CC isnt the greatest and im not good into bigguns

[faint beacon]

its kinda the point of it

Light is more just a quick stagger option

[unique orchid]

Fair, still bothers me a sword THIS DAMN BIG doesnt do any damage on lights

But i will get over it

[faint beacon]

Make HT stacks makes it seem usable on lights

but yeah I see what you mean

[unique orchid]

If the lights were a little slower but actually did damage id be fine with it, since the damn thing is basically a machete/kriegsmesser

[gilded veldt]

Just logged on after a week away, AI director is out to hurt people

[unique orchid]

Its possible catshack tweaked it to be a little more aggressive

Since now everyone whos been playing a while has perfect godroll weapons

[frank ether]

yeah its funny

you can just use the mark thats all horizontal heavies

[unique orchid]

Its funny but like funny (sucks)

I cant use the horizontal heavies i like the verticals

[frank ether]

It starts with a vertical one I think

can weave them with the special attack in between

I think thats like the only purpose of the alt attack

Honestly this is a pretty cool weapon, I understand why you see flaws with it but to me this all feels like a powercreep problem

so many all around perfect weapons around

[unique orchid]

Fair aye

Idk, i think the light attacks are just a glaring sort of... idk cognitive dissonance?

It feels like i'm swinging around a rod of rebar instead of a sword

Though youve definitely a point

[full nacelle]

OK! Lawbringer (Zarona) shotgun build! So unlike the other combat shotguns, the Lawbringer shotgun can actually be built to be a good shotgun and not just a lever-action rifle that looks like a shotgun. Wow! The key to this is its special shell, which doesn't do a lot of damage but hits a wide area. This build maximizes its output by fully leaning into the special shot to make a shotgun that can clear MASSIVE hordes in a few special shots. It also maintains the combat shotguns ability to act as a special sniper when you're not using the special shell.

First off, the shotgun itself. Maxed out stats on everything but mobility. Scattershot and Man-Stopper are 100% essential to making this build work. Man-Stopper gives your shots CRAZY cleave on crit and also more stagger to everything you don't kill. Without that cleave, your special shot will only kill the poxwalkers directly in front of you. Scattershot gives you 60% crit chance every time you use your special shot. For perks, flak and maniac. The standard.

Here is the build itself:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d211311-991a-448b-87ac-3740db325b84/lawboomstick

The Rashad gives you great horde clear and a weapon for boss damage/carapace enemies. You need room to load your shots so if you start getting swarmed the Rashad is the perfect weapon to start chopping heads. It also synergizes really well with Out for Blood, which also synergizes with the shotguns horde clearing capabilities. Combined with Confirmed Kill makes you VERY tanky. You grab tactical reload because it guarantees 25% faster reloads on your special bullet. Krak grenades are the obvious choice to help you with carapace enemies/bosses and voice of command is broken, and also gives you the space and safety you need to constantly be firing your special shot. 1/2

[native lotus]

is the heavy sword good

[unique orchid]

Yes*

[full nacelle]

You grab Deadshot and Precision strikes to really lean into that 100% crit rate Manstopper combo. Marksman's Focus is actually perfect on this build because every time you fire your special shot into a horde you're guaranteed to get stacks. It makes your headshots hit harder and decreases your time spent reloading even further. Tunnel vision is excellent now, giving you infinite stamina for deadshot and tons of toughness replenishment, making you even tankier. You COULD even grab born leader on this build for the meme if you wanted with how much toughness you're pumping out. Everything else is pretty self-explanatory. Tactical Awareness, Iron Will, and Bring it Down! are all some of the strongest nodes in the game.

Everything combined gives you a 100% crit chance horde clearing shotgun monster. 10% natural crit chance + 60% from scattershot + 5% node + 25% from deadshot... 100% crit chance every time as long as you're firing it at a mob. It's a very fun and very unique playstyle you can't get from any other shotgun in the game, and surprisingly good.

You know how when you kill a buttload of enemies back to back someone else on your team will say a voiceline being all "God you look so damn sexy slaying those heretics"? If you're spamming special shot into a horde your entire team will instantly start losing it and spamming voice lines every time because of how fast it clears trash.

[unique orchid]

The light attacks arent uhh... anything at all, but heavyspam is very strong

[green isle]

Is there a optimal weapon and build for leveling a vet ?

[terse gate]

Just so happen to have an old role with exactly all of this

[full nacelle]

Leveling should be your time to test out every weapon that interests you. There is no optimal leveling build, though there are optimal builds in general.

[full nacelle]

Beautiful! You should be good to go then!

[green isle]

Thank you. I'm level 24 so I got a little

[full nacelle]

No problem! Yeah just enjoy the ride for now. Once you hit 30 is when the game opens up on most classes. That's when I'd really start putting builds together.

[full nacelle]

but if you want to talk optimal builds... the most overpowered guns are the columnus infantry autogun, the zarona revolver, and the plasma gun and voice of command is the strongest ability in the game when combined with tactical awareness and iron will in the bottom middle of the vet talent tree

any combination of those guns with that setup is going to be broken

but play what you like! the game isn't that hard that you have to run any certain builds as long as you play well

[fleet garden]

plasma is clunky if you dont know how to play so I'd say avoid it for now

[green isle]

Awesome appreciate thr advice

[fleet garden]

try the columnus mk5 or maybe agripinaa mk1

[full nacelle]

yeah plasma has a bit of a learning curve

columnus is turn your brain off ez mode

[fleet garden]

melee is like w/e you want, I like axes but currently playing with duelling sword because it is broken

[full nacelle]

axes and duelling swords are my favorite

I thought I would just stick to using duelling sword on my psyker

that lasted all of one day

I'm obsessed with poking heretics in the head

[terse gate]

which chain axe is better

[full nacelle]

Anytime! If you ever want help with a build or have a concept in mind you want advice on feel free to hit me up! I love theory crafting

[terse gate]

or are they kinda, the same

[wet ether]

How many of these mobian 21st assholes do we gotta kill before they finally get the message

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[echo vortex]

so with shout build, my main way of generating controlling toughness is the shout? or im doin something wrong

[tall torrent]

12 is simpler
4 is harder to use but easier vs carapace & boss

[oblique totem]

All of them.

[full nacelle]

Shout build is good for instantly refilling your toughness and giving you gold toughness. You should mostly be generating it from Confirmed Kill or Out for Blood on most vet builds.

[fleet garden]

toughness reg on curious aswell

[full nacelle]

that just effects toughness gained from coherency

which is something but not a lot

[fleet garden]

its 90% if you run 3, which is a lot

[full nacelle]

doubling your coherency regen still isn't a massive amount compared to other sources

[tame lodge]

On cohe

[tall torrent]

No u gain toughness mainly from killing stuff

[rose gale]

hey fellas, wich variant of the lucius do yall generally prefer ?

[bold comet]

how do you cook grenades?

[rose gale]

hold em before throwing

[full nacelle]

set microwave to boom

[echo vortex]

humm, was trying to build with lasgun but doesnt seems ot be the best choice. =S

[full nacelle]

Shout is always the best choice tbh. It's broken. Gold toughness is SUPER strong.

[echo vortex]

i mean the lasgun paired with it

[full nacelle]

Does your build have confirmed kill or out for blood? Does it have the gold toughness talent?

Yeah and I mean shout is literally the best ability in the game

there is no build where it isn't the best ability to run

doesn't matter what you pair with it

[tall torrent]

Not in this game

[tall torrent]

IIIa or V

[full nacelle]

running shout without the gold toughness talent actually makes it balanced

that might be your problem lol

[echo vortex]

no didnt get it seems

but got confirmed kill

[full nacelle]

ok couple things here! born leader does not do enough on this build to matter... you don't have a lot of toughness regen so 15% of it is basically nothing for your teammates

[echo vortex]

honestly my main issue has been when get horded around

[full nacelle]

For the Emperor is a big damage buff for everyone every time you shout, would definitely recommend

[echo vortex]

humm, chaging around lets see

[full nacelle]

I would HIGHLY recommend Precision Strikes on every build. 30% weakspot damage is ALWAYS really good. Much more useful than being immune to suppression which happens maybe a couple times a game when you're playing against a ton of gunners.

Depending on which lasgun you're using, you could go deadshot for the increased crit chance

if you grab that, I highly recommend Target Down! to constantly refill your stamina every time you kill an elite/special because Deadshot drains stamina

[echo vortex]

havent finished upping it yet, i like to burn but might be useless. does kill nurgle fast tho

[full nacelle]

Ohhhh! Yeah don't do deadshot on that haha

you would run out of stamina instantly

still recommend Precision Strikes though

what melee weapon are you using?

[echo vortex]

guess ill drop focus and go for wep specialist. dagger to bleed stuff

[full nacelle]

focus is good if you want to be gun-centric

weapon specialist is more for constantly weaving back and forth between your gun and melee

ah ok! combat blade is a good choice

it has crazy mobility

my guess is you're probably just not spamming your dodge enough when you do get swarmed

the knoife gives you some crazy survivability and mobility once you get into the rhythm of it

[full nacelle]

Oh! I also just realized you're running charismatic, which like born leader, really doesn't do much for this build

born leader really needs a specific setup to give value to a team

it's kind of a meme

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d212482-9e94-4eec-b0bb-2e2d1671d2b0/hereyougo

[echo vortex]

oh forgot about that website

[full nacelle]

I optimized the build for ya if you want to take a look

yeah super helpful

especially since fatshark keeps nuking our in-game builds

[echo vortex]

thanks, that was close what I was going to show. but woud have no idea on the stats for each

[full nacelle]

no problem! if you have any questions about it let me know

[echo vortex]

guess farm time to upgrade.. thanks a lot again!

[faint beacon]

I should've asked if you know how to loop the vertical heavies on the IX

[full nacelle]

Anytime! Basically the knife is your carapace/swarm killer and the gun is for everything else. Grenades + Shout gives you tons of control for hordes. With all the rending you have plus Focus Target! even the beefy boys will still die to it if you have ammo to spare. It's a strong generalist build.

Also stripped down + duck and dive means you're immune to ranged attacks while you're sprinting with your gun out

[echo vortex]

thats nice/op

[full nacelle]

yeah it's a beautiful little synergy

very goofy

kinda wacky

[echo vortex]

21% curio even real?

[full nacelle]

bro I haven't been able to find one

and I've been spamming this game nonstop since the update

[patent slate]

What’s with everyone using the lasgun now

[full nacelle]

managed to make 12 complete builds

[patent slate]

It’s good but not crazy

[pearl sapphire]

I’m gonna max this out, damage doesn’t really matter considering Bolt Pistol

[full nacelle]

a lot of people love lasers

personally I prefer other guns myself

but I see the appeal

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately it does matter for breakpoints

[full nacelle]

especially that one that just mag dumps on everything

[pearl sapphire]

Breakpoints?

[uncut pebble]

That is definitely a take of all time.

[full nacelle]

killing things in less shots

bolt pistol kills something in 1 shot

versus 2 shots

[uncut pebble]

Breakpoints like 1shotting something.

[echo vortex]

dunno always liked, tired of plasma/bolter/revolver

[uncut pebble]

I've seen bolt pistol comfortably hit a 3tap bp on crushers.

[pearl sapphire]

I mean, I don’t really care about that, just hit weak spots, or just mag dump, very fun

[full nacelle]

Yeah same... I only use the plasma on my born leader build

[uncut pebble]

...

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are u mainly playing atm

[echo vortex]

17% tough also a myth for me

[full nacelle]

if you don't care about being able to kill things effectively then you don't care about builds 😐

[echo vortex]

o shit is real

[full nacelle]

just play for fun lol

[pearl sapphire]

Normal heresy and sometimes auric anything

[pearl sapphire]

Yes

[tall torrent]

If ur main is heresy then u don’t need to care about breakpoints I guess

[full nacelle]

Personally I think caring about my builds and what they do makes it MORE fun

but I hate people that try to optimize everything

[low pagoda]

iam using plasma gun what is the best horde clear melee weapon

i've used chainsword combat axe heavysword

[full nacelle]

rashad axe is amazing for clearing hordes

[low pagoda]

i don't know what should i take

[pearl sapphire]

Imo, mk iv devils claw

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk3 combat axe

[full nacelle]

devils claw is also VERY good though it does struggle with mixed horde sometimes

[uncut pebble]

Dclaw is a decent option and provides safety against ragers.

[mint flame]

Are these stats shit for a plasma? What would you guys recommend for the 60% stat?

[tall torrent]

Plasma doesn’t have dump stat

[pearl sapphire]

That’s my main reason, I despise ragers, also I play too much spec. Assignment.

[tall torrent]

if u want a perfect plasma rn it's
80 dmg
80 stopping power
80 ammo
69 thermal resist
71 charge rate

[low pagoda]

charge rate dump stats

[tall torrent]

Not true, directly affects firerate

[low pagoda]

yeah but u prefer charge rate dump stats than thermal resistance

[full nacelle]

I'd say it depends on what you're using it for

[tall torrent]

No u just shouldn’t take dump on plasma, period

[mint flame]

Better?

[unique orchid]

Aye, aint complicated

[tall torrent]

Try to aim for the spread I posted above

[pearl sapphire]

Just use lasgun, for the emperor

[mint flame]

Alright ty

[full nacelle]

I feel so sacriligious... I don't like the chain sword and the only lasgun I use is the laspistol

and I have 12 builds

[rose gale]

instructions unclear, now i have an autogun

[teal abyss]

Helbore my beloved

[low pagoda]

change something ?

[tall torrent]

Perk change
Unarmored/elite + flak/maniac

[low pagoda]

unarmored ????

[tall torrent]

Depends on talent configuration

[uncut pebble]

Unarmored for dreg gunner 1shot bp.

[tall torrent]

Would u like to 1 shot Dreg gunners & Tox bombers

[low pagoda]

i already one tap dreg gunner

[pearl sapphire]

Bolt pistol mastery skin sights are so good

[mint flame]

I got another roll with charge rate 60, if you were to pick from charge rate 60 vs thermal 60 what would you choose? (my dockets are dwindling sire)

[tall torrent]

Thermal 60

If u had to

Because charge rate = firerate = dps

[toxic leaf]

is onslaught worth it for braced autos?

im using the graia which is pretty fast fire rate

[tall torrent]

Kinda
Onslaught can only stack on 1 enemy at a time tho

[toxic leaf]

i see

so its basically for monstrosity dps only then

[uncut pebble]

And crusher melting.

[unique orchid]

I might try and make a fucker build where i just stealth, stab, and underhand frags

[tall torrent]

Kinda?

[unique orchid]

Im inspired by my payday 3 build where i yell at people (mark them) and throw flashbangs (throw flashbangs)

[scenic merlin]

what weapon do you guys pair the power sword with

[full nacelle]

my power sword build goes HEAVY on the swording and keeps a boltgun in his back pocket for funsies

[scenic merlin]

full auto or pistol

[full nacelle]

full auto

basically it's a melee build focused around being a power sword monster

but can pull out the bolter to nuke a crusher or destroy a boss

or even snipe a sniper if I need to

I run weapons specialist with always prepared

[lyric bridge]

wWhy the heavy one - better suppresion?

[full nacelle]

so every time I pull it out its ready to nuke whatever big target I want

[tame lodge]

Damage per shot and cleave

[scenic merlin]

glad to see what i was already running is good taste 😄

[full nacelle]

Yep! You're on the right track soldier! 🫡

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist + Boltgun is definitely one of the choices of all time

[full nacelle]

the new One Motion talent is also great for it

exactly why I run One Motion

[tall torrent]

One motion helps but it’s still really slow

I had to check day 1 to make sure I wasn’t getting placebo whether it did anything

[full nacelle]

well if I'm having to bust out the bolter in the middle of a fight I'm usually backing up from a crusher horde

the build is VERY sword-centric

I could probably take Focus Target! instead but that's way less fun than always having a bolter ready to nuke a crusher at any time

[scenic merlin]

is vet the only class with the power sword?

[full nacelle]

plus spamming it on bosses is fun

[full nacelle]

yes

honestly the revolver is optimal but it's boring

wow, another melee build with a revolver

so exciting

melee build with pocket rocket launcher?

[meager topaz]

whats the dump stat for the shovel? Defence or Mobility?

[full nacelle]

both honestly

[uncut pebble]

Defence.

Mobility dictates your dodges on shovels this time.

So you want it high.

[meager topaz]

I got one with 80 defence but 61 mobility the rest 80

[uncut pebble]

Defence is block reduction and PA stamina consumption iirc.

So dump defences.

[full nacelle]

defence is sprint cost and push cost

so it's not the worst thing in the world but it's definitely the worst stat alongside mobility

[meager topaz]

what about blessings for the shovel?>

[full nacelle]

that depends on what you use it for

[meager topaz]

crowd control

I put thrust on it

but the 2nd blessing I dont know

[full nacelle]

skull crusher and uncanny strikes/decimator are all good for general use

[meager topaz]

its the MK 7 btw

[full nacelle]

on mine personally I run thrust and limbsplitter

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike

[full nacelle]

because I basically only use it to kill crushers

in one hit

[meager topaz]

ok

[full nacelle]

nothing more satisfying than whipping out the shovel, doing a full charge swing and bashing a crusher's skull in from max health

it's a shame you can't do it without the right blessings

because a melee-focused shovel build would be really sick

[meager topaz]

well my kreiger is done now

[full nacelle]

congrats!

[sullen scarab]

In the hammer of the emperor guide, how come collateral is the dump stat on the bolt pistol over mobility?

[mint flame]

close enough?? 😭

[sullen scarab]

wow that's a good roll

charge rate and tr where you want it lmao

[scenic merlin]

whats the dump stat for bolter

[full nacelle]

mobility

[tall torrent]

This is basically perfect

I don’t even have one as good as that

Mine’s at 68% charge rate

[full nacelle]

they should really buff One Motion

it is probably even more useless than the old sprint talent

[tribal pelican]

eralier sombody said the build that iv been running with bolter was "terrible" but did not expand on why when i asked. Ill be the first to admit it is underperforming but was hoping for some constructive criticism

Hmmm

wrong image

[full nacelle]

probably because that's the psyker tree

[blissful cliff]

LOL

[full nacelle]

oopsers haha

[hasty otter]

Psycher larping Veteran

[blissful cliff]

Gun Psyker in a nutshell

[full nacelle]

notice how they don't take any talents but still have Warp Siphon?

https://tenor.com/view/witchcraft-hunchback-of-notre-dame-frollo-animated-gif-19403567

[hasty otter]

Everyone knows that gunpsycher is better than staff psycher

[full nacelle]

^

though now that vet has access to the duelling sword

[tribal pelican]

OKAY

[full nacelle]

I think staff psyker has way more flavor

[tribal pelican]

now rip apart my bolter tree please

[tall torrent]

I think it’s an interesting design but should have bigger % increase

[full nacelle]

yeah absolutely

[tall torrent]

25% is so small I had to check frame by frame to see if it worked

Needs to be like 40% minimum

[full nacelle]

this looks more like a melee build that happens to use the bolter... most of it is completely fine

if you wanted a 100% bolter build it would look very different

[hasty otter]

Whys there more melee skills in a bolt gun build

[full nacelle]

I would give up close quarters killing for confirmed kill

way more generally useful

or give up close order drill and close quarters killing to make my way down to Bring it Down!

one of the best nodes in the entire game

[little path]

I like to run execution stance on bolter

[tribal pelican]

becuse bolter ammo econ is bad i think?

[blazing notch]

good pick?

[little path]

purely for panic switching or to mag dump monsters

[full nacelle]

yeah THE Bolter build runs exe stance and works more as a special sniper

[tribal pelican]

legit just adapted my weapon sec build to give bolter a shot if sombody wants to show me a dedicated bolter tree id love to see it

[blazing notch]

Not sure what the dump stat is on Chainsword

[blissful cliff]

What perks and blessings should i run with this?

[full nacelle]

Sure! I'll make you one in a sec

[plucky cypress]

Flak damage and flex

[little path]

Uncanny, mercy kill

[plucky cypress]

Flex being whatever fits your build

[little path]

then grab the bleed on melee from your talent tree instead

[hasty otter]

The build looks like you would mag dump on specials and swap back to melee lmao.

[blissful cliff]

For context i'm running a grenadier build

[tribal pelican]

welll thats what iv been doing so

[sour harness]

dueling sword on Vet is pretty ridiculous... i played w/ some guy earlier running it and he did 900k dmg in a fairly competent team in an auric..

[blazing notch]

Is Bleed a flat DoT or does it scale with the amount of damage that applies the bleed?

[little path]

I think it flat

[plucky cypress]

dueling sword in general is ridiculous

[little path]

knife isn't worth using on vet if you don't grab the bleed talent from your tree

[plucky cypress]

❌

[little path]

giving up one of the blessings to grab the bleed as a blessing isn't worthwhile

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d213c1f-278e-4d04-9eb9-c293e8350131/boltersniper

There ya go!

[plucky cypress]

Even if you drop bleed talent knife is still good

[blissful cliff]

I was about to say, it was doing pretty good thus far lol

[full nacelle]

yeah knife without bleed talent just means you run precog instead of mercy killer

no big deal

knife is very strong

[hasty otter]

Yeah this is a good one.

[blissful cliff]

So precog and uncanny?

[hasty otter]

You just have to mark things and kill

Personally i usually go for Krak Grenades but thats preference

[full nacelle]

^

was going to say that

[crimson pebble]

flak carapace uncanny mercy killer make sure you get the node in the tree that gives bleed on melee hit

[rose gale]

i gotta use executioner's stance again, haven't ran it in a while

[tribal pelican]

Ill give this a shot I think shout has defiantly been a crutch i lean on in auric though so exec kinda scares me

[blazing notch]

tyvm!

[full nacelle]

yeah shout definitely makes runs easier, but if you want to run a very bolter-centric build exe stance is important

let me know how it goes!

[stuck gorge]

Why does bleed have a .5 modifier to unarmored

[tame lodge]

🤷

[little path]

probably to make it not kill too quickly

but that just makes you wonder why it isn't 1 and the total damage is lowered

[toxic leaf]

the same reason why bolter was doing half damage to infested prior to this patch

[hasty otter]

Its nice to have but once you start getting more confident, it'll be a lot better

[toxic leaf]

reason: nobody fucking knows

[stuck gorge]

Finding out random hidden BS that these heretics use to take less dmg

[hasty otter]

I recommend using Krak grenades and snagging the grenade upgrade for those times where your in trouble

[rose gale]

the infested just ate the bolter round before getting shot

[unique orchid]

I LOVE krak grenades

[full nacelle]

damn now I want to try that bolter build for myself but I'm all out of builds

[rose gale]

prob not working at the moment but there are mods for extra build slots

[full nacelle]

krak grenades + grenade tinkerer = melt bosses

[little path]

kinda wish frags did more damage

[last parcel]

it does work

[toxic leaf]

i wish frags and krak switched spots

[little path]

they act more as just stagger tool than actually killing

[full nacelle]

I have one that gives me 12 but I've used all 12

[little path]

unless you grab the bleed and drop 2 of them at your feet in a crowd

[rose gale]

oh nice, didn't know it was up since the modframework is still down

[little path]

oh wait, right

[full nacelle]

I have a full-on grenadier bolt pistol build that runs every grenade talent

[little path]

The bleed is built into the frag now

[full nacelle]

it's nuts and stupid and fun

[hasty otter]

With the recent changes to the bolt gun, its not that bad to use anymore. You don't have to feel insecure about wielding around and missing your shots anymore.

Its got the best buff to unholstering

No reason to not use it this patch.

[umbral parrot]

Really quickly, we all still agree that charging up your Plasma gun is bad right?

[full nacelle]

watch it get nerfed before the revolver/plasma

[little path]

Kinda wish they would change frag to have a smaller radius but deal way more damage to flak

so you could actually you know

throw it at ranged units in cover

and not just drop it at your feet to stun a horde

[full nacelle]

just take twinned blast

[little path]

ew

[hasty otter]

I don't think it'll happen. FS already knows that the bolt gun has been in the dumps for a while now.