veteran-class

[kindred vapor]

so how do I go about that

ive never used it before

[slow spade]

its a good thing you can move

💪

[full nacelle]

yes and we all know when you move your allies stay still

💪

[slow spade]

lol

[flat pebble]

there’s just much more impactful talents

[last parcel]

check the ms word guide in the pins. i recall there being a single example build and it happens to be plasma born leader

[kindred vapor]

the ranged veteran weapon guide?

[tall torrent]

The MS word link

[flat pebble]

imo if your teammates are good enough to be worth helping with general support talents they are surviving without them anyway and if they aren’t good enough to be worth helping, you need to make your build strong enough on its own so you can carry

[full nacelle]

I just like having a born leader build in my back pocket because it's cool and thematic

and I can pilot it while watching a movie

press w, m1, shout

easy

[flat pebble]

you do you I just think it’s an uphill battle to call those kinda talents competitive

[slow spade]

to be fair, it goes a lot faster

[full nacelle]

I never said they were competitive

[last parcel]

the latest pinned message

[full nacelle]

who cares about what's competitive anyway?

game is easy lol

[slow spade]

sad Competitive Edge noises

[flat pebble]

then what was the whole “actually 4m is impactful” argument over

[torpid comet]

whats the best autogun variant? Braced, Infantry or Vigilant?

[full nacelle]

just saying that it's only useful on a born leader build, not that it's "competitive"

[flat pebble]

I don’t know what “it” is in your response

[slow spade]

the missions

[full nacelle]

columnus infantry is one of the most broken guns in the game

[orchid hemlock]

Infantry

[full nacelle]

braced are fun

[tall torrent]

Tbh
I think if ur gonna run plasma u should try One Motion

[full nacelle]

vigilant are meh imo

[pallid mango]

Hey, Recommended Perks on Chainsword for Dealing with swarms?

[full nacelle]

I do use it in my build... I go Out for Blood

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1289699059157700669/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.09.28_-_17.22.43.01.mp4?ex=66f9c559&is=66f873d9&hm=9a6b5a4cc2a3e20ab5197f61f9462b30989be4adc25e2724ba641f883d260a30&

[pallid mango]

Do I go Damage vs Flak and Unarmoured? Or Do i go stamina, or something?

[orchid hemlock]

the only required blessing is rampage, the rest is up to you

[umbral scaffold]

i noticed, did they change the animation of the plasma gun

the bolt moves now when you shoot

[flat pebble]

they asked for perks

[tall torrent]

No, it’s One Motion (+25% swap speed)

[pallid mango]

What are considered "Infested Enemies"?

[umbral scaffold]

i mean the gun animation in the video

i wasnt talking about what you asked sorry

[tall torrent]

I think unchanged from before

[orchid hemlock]

regardless you can put anything on chainsword for "wave clear"

[flat pebble]

poxwalkers, hounds and poxbursters

[tall torrent]

One Motion is actually pretty neat as a 1 point free point at the end of a build

[orchid hemlock]

for me I go flak/maniac

[ocean moat]

and muties i think

[flat pebble]

maniac

[orchid hemlock]

because the chainsword is already good against poxwalkers

[full nacelle]

also 50% increase of a radius of a circle is a 125% increase in size

so more than doubles your coherency size

just throwing that out there

[torpid comet]

is this a good roll?

[novel stone]

If you power it up, yeah

[orchid hemlock]

the dump stat should be mobility

[worldly dagger]

Ye, I prefer to have moiblity be the worse stat but good

[novel stone]

60 stability isn't bad

[flat pebble]

I use flak unarmored on my chsword, you should already be able to rev light ohk muties and I use my gun on dreg ragers when using a chsword

[novel stone]

Especially if you're on PC

[torpid comet]

yeah im pc

[flat pebble]

it’s super easy to get good rolls now is just keep rolling for a mobility dumped one tbh

[torpid comet]

this is the other one i pulled

[flat pebble]

that’s worse than the other one

stopping power is very far from a dump stat

[full nacelle]

how is coherency efficiency calculated?

[orchid hemlock]

I would argue stability is kinda important on the autoguns because they don't have the laser accuracy of the lasguns

[stark tiger]

Hi guys, if im using the armourbane talent with hellbore lasgun, does the armour debuff apply to the first shot? or only shots after the debuff has been applied.

[distant umbra]

whats with the love for the combat knife

[midnight totem]

quick question.

what is a flash mission

[steep vault]

yo

you need to finish on time

push like hell

your teammates won't go but you need to push like hell

backup help 😭

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[last parcel]

maelstroms before they relased
the penance was released by mistake

[steep vault]

what's the newer helbore blessings

[last parcel]

hotshot, armourbane

maybe something else i forgot

[steep vault]

should I use them

or do I stick with ol' faithful onslaught/surgical

[distant umbra]

like why does the knife have to be considered the best melee when I can have a chainsword, and power sword, or a power maul

[last parcel]

hotshot is mid but is bugged to work with melee
armourbane is only really useful vs carapace headshots (and even then it's debatable if it's really useful)

[distant umbra]

like those are inherently cooler

than a knife

[steep vault]

so what I'm hearing is hot-shot is the rev it up of helbore

[ocean moat]

cool =/= meta 😔

[distant umbra]

bad fatshark bad

[steep vault]

shovel's literally the best weapon right now

drop all the other ones

[distant umbra]

bet

[steep vault]

pick up your old sapper shovel

don't take it with helbore tho

[distant umbra]

what do you run on it usually?

[steep vault]

I got called a kriegtard for doing that

[steep vault]

uncanny/skullcrusher

[last parcel]

i'm making a kriegtard build now

[steep vault]

flak/unarmoured

[distant umbra]

why the uncanny strike?

[ocean moat]

put trauma and hammer on it ]

[steep vault]

rending is tasty

what's the tech called

the one when you swing the screen while swinging the weapon

you do that for max horde clear with heavy

[distant umbra]

i mean it’s eh. I’d rather just use a weapon thats good at killing armored

[last parcel]

i call it swing stretching but idk if there's an accepted term for it

[steep vault]

it's good with armour too

[last parcel]

that's what uncanny strikes is for

[fresh mango]

what do you fellas think of Puncture on both bolt pistol and bolter?

[distant umbra]

yeah but id rather run another perk instead

[steep vault]

it's my favourite because it's vanilla flavoured melee

[steep vault]

what do you want to run then :P

[ocean moat]

kinda dookie

[steep vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1281888137626517504/caption.gif

[distant umbra]

decimator or all or nothing

[steep vault]

puncture is the bleed right

bleed's kinda broken

[fresh mango]

yeah

[steep vault]

you switch out skullcrusher with decimator

[fresh mango]

its 1-4 stacks pending the tier of blessing

[distant umbra]

naw

[steep vault]

I could magdump pogryn with it on zealot

[distant umbra]

both of em

[steep vault]

whatever floats your boat

have fun

[ocean moat]

i wouldnt take puncture, you are already just straight up killing everything

[distant umbra]

bad aim needs puncture so ill keep it on

[steep vault]

no dude

take lacerate with it

lacerate/fleshtearer bolter

[ocean moat]

only time i think it would be real handy is on bosses

[steep vault]

literally the best weapon ever

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259750671461257287/1289620453350047886/attachment.gif

[distant umbra]

bro went into an all seeing orb

[ocean moat]

got absorbed into the soulstone

[distant umbra]

naw but this is a good thing to fall on if I wanna use a fun but bad primary

[blazing notch]

How do we feel about Gets Hot + Focused Cooling on Plasma Rifle?

[steep vault]

uncanny skullcrusher is literally the biggest cheese combo ever

you can't go wrong with it

[dreamy spade]

Why aren't my damn weapon stats increasing, they are max mastery...

[hallow drift]

Hold on I just read marksmans focus...is this a meme? Does it really expect you to just...not move in this game?

[atomic zephyr]

it doesnt instantly disappear

[ocean moat]

empower

[ocean moat]

kills make it stay

[trim steppe]

Which one?

[ocean moat]

clearly you didnt read the whole thing

[hallow drift]

Is it like IJ where on paper it sound bad but in practice it's super strong?

[ocean moat]

either or, depends on how you use it

[trim steppe]

when you hit a weakspot you get like 5 seconds of free movement, and then the stacks decay 1 at a time. so just keep hitting heads and you can run around

[ocean moat]

mobility generally doesnt matter too much tho but same for collat

[trim steppe]

If collateral doesn't matter i'd rather have slightly better movement

[blazing notch]

Imo Mobility

[trim steppe]

mobility as a dump or as full?

[blazing notch]

but check the % on how much the collateral staggers to make your decision probably

[blazing notch]

Mobility low

[hallow drift]

Weapon Spec has just been so good recently for the quick "pull out gun, kill scary, return to horde" because nobody knows how to manage moebians. Is it worthwhile running OG vet?

[trim steppe]

I know a 60% collateral bolter is the ideal but I dont know as much about bolt pistol

[vestal widget]

spray a columnus or a recon or something into an elite pack at head height, you'll max stacks quite quickly

[blazing notch]

Yeah I don't run bolt pistols but it would seem like mobility would be the thing to dump

[trim steppe]

oh, no doubt, weapon spec is a way way way better keystone. but the marksman focus doesnt mean you cant move

[blazing notch]

Here is the collateral table for 80% collateral

[tall torrent]

hotshot maybe
armorbane no imo

[ocean moat]

run marksmans for stuff like recon

or plain regular lasgun

[quartz leaf]

What's the grenade bolt pistol build

[tall torrent]

collateral is dump

[trim steppe]

that's for 67% collateral

[ocean moat]

full left tree is amazing at dispatching gunnerhordes

[steep vault]

I can't see my ui

[blazing notch]

oh yeah forgot this one isn't upgraded lol

[blazing notch]

How come?

[steep vault]

stagger reduces accuracy

[tall torrent]

would u like to suppress gunners harder so they move their heads and u end up missing headshots

[hallow drift]

Laspistol work too or should I stick with WS?

[kindred vapor]

Is slaughterer power cycler good on power sword?

[hallow drift]

I've seen folks running power cycler + sunder

[trim steppe]

power cycler + BM or sunder

[fallen sable]

I prefer power cycler sunder

[hallow drift]

^

[vestal widget]

lethal proximity boltpistol + grenade tinker

[ocean moat]

i prefer not to use laspistol for anything ranged focused

[kindred vapor]

why sunder vs like rampaged?

[fallen sable]

the value you get by being able to cut through pretty much everything is unmatched

[ocean moat]

use sunder or bm + power cycle

[fallen sable]

especially in higher difficulties where a lot of mobs bunch together

[crimson pebble]

brutal momentum pcycler is optimal imo but sunder works good aswell

[blazing notch]

with that thought process, do you consider stagger a bad thing to have on weapons in general? Cause while it is true that its harder to hit weak spots staggering close enemies like maulers or ragers could be very helpful

Assuming that 60% collateral isn't already enough to 100% stagger them anyways

[crimson pebble]

sunder also let's you cleave through carapace

[ocean moat]

you can always cleave carapace when powered

[trim steppe]

BM gives you way more cleave and damage than any other blessing, and sunder let's you cut through carapace armor and shields in a mixed horde without getting deflected. So both are good for different scenarios and way better than the next best blessings

[tall torrent]

on ranged weapons, yea I don't like it

[blazing notch]

Cause like yeah its better to just kill the target, but if your team is being hit by multiple gunners, counter-suppression is kinda the next best thing, give yourself an opening to close the distance or retaliate

[kindred vapor]

rising heat or gets hot with gloryhunter?

[blazing notch]

Fair enough, crackshot 😉

[crimson pebble]

gets hot blaze away

[kindred vapor]

that would be my go to but I like my extra toughness gain on my weapon built to kill elites

[vestal widget]

you want blaze anyway anyway

[tall torrent]

rising heat + gets hot

[fallen sable]

the best defence is killing the enemy quickly

[kindred vapor]

I said if I am using gloryhunter

[blazing notch]

btw do you think Gets Hot + Focused Cooling is a good combo? Or probably not cause you can just take a deterministic damage increase blessing

[tall torrent]

then gets hot

[trim steppe]

How does the new -% heat gen blessing fare

[kindred vapor]

I know but its a niche build im trying to make work

[tall torrent]

u can shoot it more

but u can also end up shooting it more than u should (?) because of that

[crimson pebble]

dont need toughness regen if everythings dead

[orchid hemlock]

whats the best perks for shovel now?

[blazing notch]

+20%... What? Damage? Stagger? Crit Chance? lol

[tall torrent]

R.strength

[blazing notch]

R. strength? what is that

[fallen sable]

you get 20% more warhammer

[trim steppe]

Power

[vestal widget]

used to be called power

[umbral scaffold]

its 20% scalling you receave 20% more scales

[tall torrent]

ranged strength (affects ranged dmg, stagger & cleave)

multiplicative to +dmg

[umbral scaffold]

lizardification

[tall torrent]

so it's better than pure +dmg

the extra stagger & cleave basically don't matter

[blazing notch]

Ahh yeah, I remember that from the Vet guide. Power scales up a bunch of good stuff

[tall torrent]

it's the multiplicative dmg increase that matters

[trim steppe]

Does rising heat make more 1HK BPs easily attainable after your first shot?

Or is it more just nice to have

[tall torrent]

on lower dmg rolls yes

[trim steppe]

I have this but I'm still figuring out what to run on it exactly

[tall torrent]

swap focused cooling to rising heat
elite to unarmored if u want to drop superiority complex to be able to run some other things

my survivalist plasma build looks real funny rn

[trim steppe]

I do usually like to avoid the ammo and superiority nodes in favor of nade talents or agile engagement or something, so that sounds pretty good

[tall torrent]

that's basically a perfect plasma

[trim steppe]

I spent a lot of ordos even in the new system to find it lol

[tall torrent]

I spent 1M and the closest I got was 68% charge rate

sadge

that's 3rpm lower than perfect

[wet ether]

ugh useless lot in strike party 1

[ocean moat]

why do people spend ordos so much lately

[wet ether]

anyways power sword is it still good?

[ocean moat]

mhm

[trim steppe]

When I rolled it, it said it was 70% TR amd 71% CR. When it upgraded they got swapped. Close enough lol

[tall torrent]

it's for CIVI maelstrom

[wet ether]

what y'all recommend blessing wise for the power sword?

[trim steppe]

I'll give that a try, looks fun

[ocean moat]

power cycler & bm or sunder

[trim steppe]

Because we're psychos

[fallen sable]

is the weapon swap really that valuable to take over the +stack for focus target?

personally I feel bad running focus target without the +stack and +damage buff

[viral nacelle]

this looks like a good build but i'll fuckin die before i use ping keystone 😤

[trim steppe]

+stack isn't very good cuz you only access it if you aren't marking stuff for like 15 seconds. You should be marking stuff every few seconds

You already only reach default max of 5 stacks after 10 full seconds. That's a lot time

[fallen sable]

I thought the damage buff is always +8 no matter how many stacks you have when you ping & kill an enemy

[viral nacelle]

bolt pistol neat

[tall torrent]

there's like almost no scenario at which 8 stacks is worth running lol

it's usually only +4.5% dmg (12% instead of redirect fire's default +7.5%)

if ur actively tagging enemies in combat u won't be able to tag enemies at 8 stacks except at the start of a fight

[wet ether]

someone wants me to use the power sword

[trim steppe]

Nice one

[tall torrent]

merely tag enemies like a good teammate

[last parcel]

me taking 8 stacks because i chose a damage dumped ilas

[tall torrent]

also, One Motion is more of a "feel nice" QoL node here
u could swap it for smth else like CQKZ or 5% crit chance, both are good choices
but I find the ability to rapid drop grenades and swap snipe specials just a little faster to be more useful

[copper swan]

I keep getting told the basic infantry lasgun is terrible but idc its got the classic lasgun design just a black stock would be nice or even the matching green one

[tall torrent]

it's one of those talents that don't seem to do that much but always do smth for u

[trim steppe]

Infantry lasguns are very good, who's saying it's terrible

[fallen sable]

might be right. I just got an extra point in my build 🙂

[copper swan]

Randoms i get in strike teams

[tall torrent]

Try One Motion, it’s kind of nice
Could also go CQKZ or 5% crit chance if u feel like it

[copper swan]

My friends dont care what i use but im not always on with em

[trim steppe]

Tell them to get gud

[novel stone]

What knife blessings are the best rb

Rn*

[copper swan]

I wish i could run a Lasgun with a backup light laspistol

[fallen sable]

get the weapon customization mods!

[copper swan]

Xbox

[fallen sable]

oof

[copper swan]

If i wasnt on xbox id have cadian stuff already lol

[trim steppe]

I genuinely can't remember the last time I got flamed by a pub in chat, usually everyone just silently takes care of business. Even when someone is fucking up terribly we just carry him to the droppod like proper soldiers

[full nacelle]

is there a good boss killer melee weapon for vet?

[fallen sable]

the most I do is spam the revive when poopers get downed lol

as if I'm shaking them

[trim steppe]

Like half of them

[fallen sable]

i hate that it is, but knife is always good

fr. fucking hate that that weapon is so good

its a fucking knife

[tall torrent]

Rashad, power sword, knife, duelling sword
Are the main ones

[novel stone]

What's the best blessings for it?

[abstract flare]

It's so good thougth

[spark helm]

It's a fatshark knife. :>

dual daggers not too bad either in vt2. You do, however, need to not fuck up with them much more than DT knife.

[kindred vapor]

anyone else's game stuttering a lot or is it just me

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike +
Mercy killer / riposte / executor / flesh tearer / precognition

Use mk6, it’s better than mk3

[trim steppe]

Mine is a LOT. Patch optimization bad

[kindred vapor]

seems like a lot of games recently have had a lot of performance issues

Like SM2 is completely unplayable for me

And my pc is fairly decent

tis not top of the line, but when my pc meets the reccommended specs of a game, it should work when I buy it

[fallen sable]

tru. I don't even want to play the new level cos its so bad lol

[kindred vapor]

and it definitely should if its 60$ LOL

[trim steppe]

Mine is getting ancient by PC standards (5 years old) so I just assume I'm being outdated

[novel stone]

Thx

[trim steppe]

Does uncanny + mercy killer use the bleed on melee talent I assume

[kindred vapor]

So is mine but if it meets the minimum specs it should be playable at fucking minimum settings

thats why they list those specs in the first place

[trim steppe]

Mine has been totally fine up til this patch, so hopefully it's just a bug they work out and patch shortly

Been playing just fine on medium settings for 2 years

[kindred vapor]

Love how games have to specify "free" update now, damn I remember when all updates were free

[trim steppe]

What a time to be alive

[tall torrent]

Yea if u play mercy killer u need serrated blade

[lavish token]

⬆️

[foggy wadi]

pfft. i remember when games never had updates.. we got what we got.

[trim steppe]

And they actually shipped as a finished, debugged product. Unbelievable by today's standards

[last parcel]

mercy killer with puncture as your only source of bleed

[foggy wadi]

half true. a lot of games had bugs back in the 80's and 90's but no where close to what we have today. See. Ppl are dumb enough to pay full price for a game thats not finished and not get paid to test it. wild days indeed.

[tall torrent]

U&L been running weirdly
I think part of it is due to their currently messy implementation of FSR3

[ocean moat]

i remember when we actually owned games

[trim steppe]

Most of the bugs on those ones were fun quickly things, like Missingno in pokemon. They became a part of the lore. Today games ship with literal unplayable bugs that need day one patch out

[foggy wadi]

its still a thing but they are pushing to go full digital. now we just pay to play them XD

[molten hound]

Did the update break any mods

[trim steppe]

That's been my guess. I turned off FSR3 but it's implementation must be affecting things on a widespread level

[hollow raven]

Is the death Krieg outfit up rn ?

[quartz leaf]

Which perks for bolt pistol? Maniac and unyielding?

[trim steppe]

None of mine, a couple had some errors but got updated right away. You need to rerun your .bat file on patch if you didn't already know that

[molten hound]

Yeah

[fallen sable]

no

[molten hound]

I was wondering if the framework got broken or anything

[last parcel]

loadout config is broken. most of the other broken ones have been updated already

[tall torrent]

Maniac + unarmored/elite (elite if u use superiority complex)

[kindred vapor]

Completed games were cool, it’s a shame that’s not a thing anymore

[quartz leaf]

Why unarmored

[trim steppe]

Framework appears fine

[tall torrent]

Dreg gunner 1HS

[kindred vapor]

Quite frankly I buy early access games to support indie devs and because I believe in their concept

But I like multiplayer games getting continued updates

[lavish token]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-pre-order-preorder-new-game-gif-22435537

[last parcel]

but i need the next assassin's duty

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/no-dad-deathrow-not-my-gif-19810885

[trim steppe]

Pre-ordering games is like the gaming community equivalent of scab labor. Stop breaking the picket lines so we can all have nice things lol

[torpid pier]

what if they hit you with couple days early access for pre-orders that starts with the weekend and ends on monday

[lavish token]

Cringe

[loud flower]

Fellow Veterans, i require help. What blessings and perks should i go for the catachan sword and the bolt pistol? I am thinkin of doing a thematic Catachan build

[lavish token]

Shred rampage

Flak maniac

[quasi socket]

do we have a cheat sheet for blessings on weapons?

[tall torrent]

Check pinned link

[quasi socket]

thanks for doing the homework! much appreciated

[loud flower]

oh shit i didint know about that either

[trim steppe]

He's put a ton into that resource, its amazing work. Great place to start on any weapon build

[quartz leaf]

What's the grenade build? It's frag grenades right? Didn't seem to be doing too much

[trim steppe]

2 shredder nades will wipe out basically any horde in a few seconds

build for grenade regen and just frag everything to death

[quartz leaf]

Oh, I have to throw 2 huh

[lavish token]

Use bolt pistol for even more

[trim steppe]

yeah bolt pistol blessing for explosion radius applies to your nades

[quartz leaf]

What's the radius on the explosion for close kills on bolt pistol

Like is it useful

[trim steppe]

+20% radius on your nades. combine with the talent for +50% and your radius is crazy big

[slow sky]

literally the only instance where mercy killer isnt outclassed by other blessing

[ocean moat]

numeric works but it spams you with error hook_safe notifs

[last parcel]

it's updated now

[ocean moat]

mine still says error hook_safe stuff

do i need to download an updated version?

[flat pebble]

ya

[last parcel]

it's still the same page on nexus. if that latest version still doesn't work you could try looking for help in the darktide modder's discord since the error got fixed for most people

[torn gorge]

you forgot the chaxe

the true boss deleter

[pale spear]

what is better on a infantry auto gun? fire frenzy or dum dum?

[tall torrent]

it's not as good as those

[torn gorge]

ye i know, i remember people still praising that weapon for that role specifically

[lavish token]

I like standard infantry to kill bosses

[tame lodge]

Dumdum always dumdum

[pale spear]

thanks

[low wagon]

so... how is that possible under new "rules" for items? fyi it has ammo reserve representative of ammo stat 59,0 % or below

and obviously it's at 500 cap already

[last parcel]

rounding weirdness

[low wagon]

except stat total here does not exceed 379,0 % ...
wtf fatshark, it's basic rounding taught at 1st year of computer science / numerical methods

[terse idol]

When the devs work with an engine that is literally defunct

Also

[low wagon]

It's their engine, they made it (and later sold to Autodesk)

[terse idol]

The stats come up as small decimals

It's like the same with curios sometimes

[faint beacon]

Just gonna put this here

PSA: Heavy Sword on Vet

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iLiaYOFgFQImym1nz?invite=cr-MSw3VUQsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[terse idol]

Where you can get a decimal and the stat might he abit lower or heavier

[patent slate]

is marksman a good ability modifier

[tawny badger]

rounding did a fucky wucky

[low wagon]

I guess it's still possible to get that reserve with ammo value of max 59,048...
But still it's batshit crazy that they didn't code it properly the first time and didn't fix it in two years...

[atomic zephyr]

bolt pistol feels so good now

[tawny badger]

veteran being better with zealot melees is nasty work

[spark helm]

What're some solid setups for chainswords? MK4 specifically?

[tawny badger]

good ol flak/maniac + rampage/savage sweep

[spark helm]

Thinking of something really easy like flak/maniac and--

yep, there it is.

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-mgr-mgr-raiden-handshake-hug-gif-25122328

[atomic zephyr]

the blammer

[spark helm]

I'm working on that and cIAG rn.

CIAG is just, fire frenzy/deathspitter and dumdum right?

[faint beacon]

Slam sword into head of mutant

instantly destroy mutant

simple as

[spark helm]

For something easy, safe and effective.

[atomic zephyr]

yeah

[faint beacon]

Savage Sweep + Rampage

you'll be spamming heavies

which cleave over 3+ enemies

so you'll proc it constantly

if its 13g its Shred + Wrath

[low wagon]

Yes. But remember that Columnus is no longer OP ...because they changed its name :D

[stray sage]

Its Graia now, IIRC?

[low wagon]

Vrask

[faint beacon]

Vraks

Vraks 5

[stray sage]

I get changing weapon names but changing like, actual manufacturer names after 2 years is a bit whack lmao

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i wonder why they did that

[low wagon]

That patch contained too many good and logical changes

[faint beacon]

It was to avoid confusion with other weapons which I find interesting

[terse idol]

I feel like it's more ingrained in the engine

[faint beacon]

trust me the Headhunter Autos now being called Vigilant rifles

[terse idol]

Like that itd

[faint beacon]

and as a HHA main

[low wagon]

Chaos gods wouldn't allow its deployment until they added trademark fatshark bullshit ;d

[faint beacon]

makes me feel off

[terse idol]

abit harder to fix

Or

It just doesn't matter enough to actually fix

Because in theory we're talking like decimal places

Of differences

[faint beacon]

I mean tbf

you're looking at a 1-3% increase or decrease

which isn't... game ruining

[terse idol]

Yeag

[faint beacon]

if its on a dump stat

[terse idol]

I mean I was thinking like 0.9-0.1% difference

That's the extent of the glitch

[faint beacon]

Smudgels you fool

its a feature

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iKOkjzLya0NUFp1iq?invite=cr-MSxrUk4sMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[faint beacon]

Such as me and path realizing that

Flamers get suppressed when their pack ignites

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

they shouldn't be able to chase you down

when this is happening

so we're assuming its a bug

[loud flower]

I am trying to make a catachan sword and bolter build, with infiltrate. Dont know really what perks to get, just scrambled this together, would really appreciate some feedback from more experienced people

[faint beacon]

Do not pass out on iron will

This node

move it over to Iron will

you'll notice you'll live hell of a lot longer than you would without it

[low wagon]

In theory it could be even 100% difference.

Say it's ammo reserve of 199.9 (which ends up being 199) vs 200. Each proc would return twice as much ammo with proper rounding.

But that's hypothetical edge case

Or 1 shot breakpoint becoming 2 shot

That's not likely, but actually possible to happen. But with incidental damage, various enemies, buffs etc. ammo edge case would be more impactful than 1 breakpoint being off

[low wagon]

Always take reciprocate first left node of bottom right branch.

That's +40% CRIT chance, it's single best node in the game

[loud flower]

Is the 10% rending a must or can i skip it for something like demolition team?

[mortal orbit]

@loud flower demo team shines the harder the game mode.

Less enemy, less proc. Switch between or do what i do

Take both, son

[blazing notch]

Elite + Flak or Elite + Carapace for Plasma gun?

[atomic zephyr]

has anyone tested shred + devastating strike on chainsword?

[mortal orbit]

Thats from old tree, btw oof

[atomic zephyr]

that cleave seems like it could be nutty

[low wagon]

it's not enough to matter much on it's own so it's not really that great damage increase; either your weapon sucks against carapace and it will still suck, or it's good and it will be slightly better

most other dmg nodes are better, so never reach for it specifically, but if you want to go Focus Target, it's ok to take on the way

[drifting moon]

They know

[atomic zephyr]

LMAO

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-the-interview-hate-us-gif-12303612

[orchid hemlock]

Every time I see people skip the node I die a little inside 😔

[drifting moon]

It's a life saver

[low wagon]

depends on what you want to do; I have one with flak and unarmoured so I can reliably 1 headshot kill gunners without focus target, without executioner stance and without marksman focus

(one of the gunners has unarmoured head and high hp)

[atomic zephyr]

how is there a bot here

[low wagon]

faith

he believed that he can (and in the Emperor)

[torpid comet]

is this a good roll?

[trim steppe]

10% rending is actually almost never good, it's almost always a skip for me. It doesn't really help weapons that are bad against carapace, and if a weapon is already good its benefits are usually marginal

[trim steppe]

Yeah. Mobility and collateral are both dumps on recon, tho mobility is somewhat good and collateral is actually detrimental (stagger hurts your aim on heads)

[torpid comet]

this is the one ive been using

[trim steppe]

I'd keep that over the first one you posted

[torpid comet]

okay

[trim steppe]

It's better

I'd empower it until the other 4 stats are 80 and then stop boosting collateral. Tho it won't really hurt to bump it up to 60% if you want the dopamine of having a 500 weapon

[torpid comet]

which of these should i keep

[low wagon]

I would go for elites / flak / dumdum / deathspitter with onslaught, deadshot and 7+ stamina for Recon

[trim steppe]

Left

[terse idol]

The issue is the reality however

Very very very few weapons ever have even a 5% breakpoint

That you can miss

[torpid comet]

how do i get more perks?

[terse idol]

And 5% is actually so so so so small

[trim steppe]

Not sure what you mean

[terse idol]

If anything the breakpoints are built for the 80% maximum with abit of wiggle room IF the devs even balance the might like that

[torpid comet]

how do i unlock perks tier 3 and 4

[stuck gorge]

get higher mastery level

[terse idol]

Gotta get more mastery for your weapons

[torpid comet]

gotcha

[trim steppe]

You need mastery. Just use the weapon on missions

[low wagon]

perks IV are on lvl 14 for most weapons

[errant sable]

[torpid comet]

bruhhh

[trim steppe]

Or sacrifice green recons at hadron to bump it up fast if you have the ordos

[blazing notch]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[stuck gorge]

goated gun

[naive burrow]

A literal flashlight

[trim steppe]

LOL saw my first 0% damage gun today too

[errant sable]

will kill something by the time the next update comes out

[low wagon]

meh, it's still usable

it's like 25% difference in base damage

at 0% dmg compared to 80% dmg

ammo would be bigger concern

[terse idol]

Hard disagree

If we're talking breakpoints

20% less damage influences all of your modifiers

[low wagon]

I'd get it to orange and keep at 290 for lols

[errant sable]

I wonder if it'll heal them instead

[junior needle]

One of the perks should be 5% crit at least, and deadshot is very meme on fast firing weapons. You could get away with it on the 7a but the 6d is definitely not recommended.

[terse idol]

Yeah that's more valid

[low wagon]

I know, but it's obviously much worse, but it's playable on regular damnation

[trim steppe]

The fact that they aren't 6d or 7a anymore is criminal

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, they changed the variant numbers for no reason

Just to confuse people

[trim steppe]

Tbh I used recon so little I don't know what the new variants correspond to

[blazing notch]

Problem is, if I saw someone loading into anything higher than heresy with a gun that has 0% damage, I will not be concerned about his performance, I will be concerned that his decision making is probably not sufficient to play well lmao

[low wagon]

try it; it's bonkers op, not meme; just make sure to have that +7 stamina and two nodes for faster regen start

[junior needle]

I've tried it before

[frank basin]

im revisiting helbore, I don't know which one

[terse idol]

Honestly

It takes someone with brains to purposefully bring in a 0% damage weapon

[junior needle]

It's very meme because you blow through your stamina in 2 seconds on a 6d

[low wagon]

but I can see going for additional +5%

[terse idol]

[junior needle]

And regen is not % based outside of dnd

[terse idol]

Cause normal people wouldn't take a 0% damage weapon

[ornate oak]

quick question what blessings are yall taking on bolt pistol?

[spark helm]

Does anyone know if performance with weapons increases their experience gain for mastery?

[atomic zephyr]

surgical + deadly accurate

[junior needle]

Less than 2s if you aren't running max stamina

[drifting moon]

If anyone would like to do a shitter run join me in strike team 50

[frank basin]

did helbore suck this time?

[drifting moon]

Don't play meta

You'll be ahead of the curve

[frank basin]

I don't follow meta

[brazen crystal]

the legendary 100% shovel

[frank basin]

i just need how it feel play with some advice

[trim steppe]

I don't believe so, just bringing it is enough I think

[blazing notch]

Any final thoughts on this Plasma gun before I move on to leveling up another weapon family? 😂

[frank basin]

i slap some unarmored and carapace on helbore

[trim steppe]

All looks good tho I would aim for 70/70 split between TR and CR.

[frank basin]

getting split 70/70 quite rare

[blazing notch]

Yeah I can feel the charge rate difference from my last one that I believe had higher TR, but man once you see how many times you can fire without stopping with 80% TR... hard to go back lol

[trim steppe]

Its expensive but not nearly as bad with the patch

[low wagon]

maybe try out Focused Cooling in place of Rising Heat, might be more damage (from extra shots) and ammo efficiency (ammo drain is based on heat right...?)

[trim steppe]

it is not, ammo use is static

[low wagon]

:C

welp, good to know

[trim steppe]

My understanding is that over 69% TR it doesnt add any more shots to your heat profile

[torpid comet]

bruh.. i just got kicked for trying to look for the scriptures..

[blazing notch]

I was thinking about trying Focused Cooling, but I am constantly cooling it down and reloading as soon as I think I have enough time, so balancing heat is not a huge concern (unless I am not paying attention and do a Charged Shot at 99% heat and become aquaintences with the floor)

[torpid comet]

do people not want extra xp?

[trim steppe]

This is mine, cost like 1 mil ordos but my brain is now happy

[blazing notch]

In the context of just firing from 0% to 100%/99%, that may be the case, but I find that I rarely have enough time unless there is a lull (where TR doesn't even matter) to fully cool back down to 0%, so it just makes the cooling that I am able to pull off midfight go the extra mile

very rarely am I in a situation where the circumstances let me consistently go 0% --> 100% --> 0% --> 100%

[trim steppe]

sure but if you go 100 -> 80 you get 2 shots regardless of if you have 70 or 80 TR

[low wagon]

Personally I really like Gloryhunter too on Plasma (and other weapons), saved my ass more than few times

[blazing notch]

If I am at 100% heat, I am not going to even bother only Cooling Down for 1 tick just to fire 2 shots, I'll try and dodge around until I can get to 60% or even 40%

Mixing a charged shot in there for an especially important target or trying to melt a boss, making sure that I get 100% utility out of every possible tick of cooling I am able to get, is pretty important to me

Having said that, the change in breakpoints might be so minimal that it could be worth it. Really depends on how the heat generation dance is having another 10% charge rate is, but regardless I'll keep an eye out for one in the shop, can't hurt to test them 🙂

[steep vault]

it's minstat unfortunately

switching marks with different attributes is bugged right now

[full nacelle]

I think I hate the helbore

feels so clunky to use

[trim steppe]

I have played a LOT of vet and I cannot get into the helbore. I do not like it

[sick hamlet]

Don't shy away from that bayonet special, it does work

[full nacelle]

it just has so much clunk to it... slow shots, still doesn't one-tap a lot of the time, terrible sights

I want this build to work but I think I'm gonna scrap it

this is like the fifth time I've tried it in auric missions and it feels like cheeks

[loud flower]

Weight of Fire + Surgical usually does it for me

with executioners i normaly one top elites and specials

and about two tap maniacs

[low wagon]

for which one? slow or medium fire rate one?

[loud flower]

I use it on the first mark, i belive the fastes one to charge

this is the helbore i am using

[low wagon]

ok - I would think fast one doesn't leave much time for surgical stacks to build up and crit would apply to overall weaker hit... but theory is theory, maybe in practice it works well

[loud flower]

I usually get 3 stacks of surgical before firing, nad you can hold out while maintaining the weight of fire stacks

[low wagon]

I need to try out the medium one with that combo; I just tried the slow one, and while damage is great (reliably two-headshotting crushers)... it's so clunky to use

especially when there is special to take care of and your are getting hit in face by horde

[flat pebble]

flak unarmored is where the breakpoints for helbores were good last i checked

gets you to easy shooter/gunner bps

[loud flower]

I found myself shooting them already withouth more damage, so i putted those who i was getting bullied by the most

[full nacelle]

yeah no I'm tossing this crap

two ragers run at me? no panic buttons, can't charge a shot to kill them

[flat pebble]

stab them in the face with the bayonet

i’m not joking

[loud flower]

Yeah, its actually usefull

[full nacelle]

I did

still didn't kill them fast enough

[flat pebble]

it’s like a two shot headshot per dreg rager

with a pokey bayonet

[loud flower]

Also you can just spam hip fire, it has some stopping power to make them go backwards

[full nacelle]

might have been the horde to my side but something hit me while I was trying to stab them with my clunky little no cleave bayonet

[low wagon]

STAB THEM READY BAYONETS

you stunlock them afaik

even few

[full nacelle]

three gunners in a room? pop, pop, pop dead or shoot them while dodging?

nah I have to charge every shot

feels like butt to play anywhere my teammates aren't forming a wall for me to play sniper

[loud flower]

What blessings are you running?

[flat pebble]

i’m not gonna act like the helbores doesn’t have a learn curve tho cuz it does

it was hard for me to use at first

[full nacelle]

I got surgical and am trying the new Hot-Shot blessing

I get there's a learning curve but it feels like a learning curve for a weapon that ultimately just feels bad to play

[flat pebble]

eventually you get a feel for when you can’t keep your bayonet out anymore safely but for the most part the bayonet carries hard in close range

[low wagon]

(I currently hate them too, but I withhold my judgement because they might get good and fun with experience)

[flat pebble]

i wish they had better sights, that’s really my only real complaint

[loud flower]

I really love the helbore, been on and off of them since beta

[flat pebble]

they’re kinda flat, i don’t even need a red dot just make the iron sights more prominent

[full nacelle]

it just feels like total cheeks to have to constantly charge shots that don't even kill half the time

[kindred vapor]

Idk I've seen people use the helbore to great effect, and I certainly wasnt doing my part to give them space or keep enemies off them

[kindred vapor]

what mk are you using?

[full nacelle]

and then between slow swap speed and terrible mobility it's just not my thing

too easy to get swarmed

[kindred vapor]

I'm told it makes a lot of difference depending on what you want

I dont use it though

[full nacelle]

mk3

the idea of the build was a smoke-based special sniper

[loud flower]

Well, that might be your main probleam

the mk3 is the longest to charge

[full nacelle]

and it still doesn't kill half the time

[kindred vapor]

smoke might also be the problem

[pseudo fiber]

Which lasgun is the good one I wanna make a standard guardsman build

[flat pebble]

the heaviest one?

[full nacelle]

I don't even have time to use the smokes with how much time I have to spend charging shots and weapon swapping

[feral stratus]

I tried to make the sniper build too. If you don't have a team protecting you it hurts to play

[full nacelle]

I'm tossing the helbore in the bin... not my kind of playstyle

[kindred vapor]

Thats fair

[loud flower]

Maybe try using one of the sentinel weapons?

[flat pebble]

the one that before this patch, the mk3 was the worst by most metrics

[loud flower]

The one shot caribnes

[full nacelle]

if I want to play a special sniper I'm going my speedload revolver

[feral stratus]

I prefer to go with the single shot Auto gun

[flat pebble]

slowest pullout time, slowest charge, worst bayonet

[loud flower]

They feel like scout rifles in destiny

[feral stratus]

Deals a bit less damage but you clear specials with not much issue

[flat pebble]

i mean frankly it sounds like that was your biggest problem more than anything

[fierce spoke]

Hung Jury. All editions

[full nacelle]

I'm also just done with smokes... I have spent so much time trying to make them better than what they are

to find that secret sauce where they become a godsend

[kindred vapor]

I really want to make a build with that too but I want to make the infinite ammo lasgun build

[full nacelle]

they're so damn situational it hurts

[kindred vapor]

Smokes are a lost cause

[torpid comet]

Pullout time.. heh

https://tenor.com/view/glenn-quagmire-family-guy-giggity-gif-4084933

[flat pebble]

i’m gonna fight u

[torpid comet]

lol

[full nacelle]

yeah... the whole point was being a slower but strong laser sniper... if I can't do that without getting merced constantly in aurics I'd rather just use a different gun entirely

and it's not even a consistent sniper when I do have time to charge it

[flat pebble]

i just don’t see it as that useful outside of the meme crusher ohk setups

[torpid comet]

anyone else in love with the Recon Lasgun Mk XII?

[flat pebble]

and it doesn’t have a usable bayonet which is half the fun of the helbore

[low wagon]

and it takes shitload of ammo, like 9 per charged shot?

[proven garden]

Do you guys only have a single weapon that you use both for melee and ranged combat

[flat pebble]

i recommend giving the middle fast shooting one a try at some point, it’s great at dealing with ranged elites with one tap headshot and the bayonet is actually usable

just make sure your build crosses the useful ohk bps

[full nacelle]

Yeah everything about it just feels clunky and bad to play... I love the idea of being a laser sniper with a bayonet but the reality is I'm friggin useless if my teammates don't help me out

[loud flower]

didint they all go to 2 on the new patch?

[full nacelle]

I have 12 builds

[fierce spoke]

I wish the iron sights didn't become awful

[full nacelle]

yeah the sights on the helbores are complete shite too

[proven garden]

No I mean are you only allowed to use a single weapon in a round

[full nacelle]

Ooohhh... Yes.

[proven garden]

Damn that fucking sucks wth

[full nacelle]

the entire point of the game is to make a build based around the weapons you use

this isn't Left 4 Dead

[proven garden]

Not that

[full nacelle]

k then I have no idea what you're talking about

[flat pebble]

i get that i just really wanna emphasize you used the clunkiest helbore of the three by far

[fierce spoke]

Helbore M2 had usable sights before the update.

Now each model has the same. Seems you need to aim a little more up to get where you wanna land your shoot

[full nacelle]

you only get one melee weapon and one ranged weapon in a round

[flat pebble]

the other two fire pretty quickly

[proven garden]

I mean I just had this vet who only used their gun and when they were the last one standing they just ran around trying to stab a horde with a knife on their gun

[fierce spoke]

Louis and his stims

[proven garden]

Do you only get to carry one weapon or were they just trolling

[full nacelle]

tis a shame cause it has the most unique identity as the laser sniper variant

[low wagon]

nope, I'm shooting it right now in Meat Grinder - 9 per shot

...but it doesn't consume any ammo on crit with lasgun talent, so that's a plus - you "just" need to get crits (with surgical) and not miss

[flat pebble]

i wish they’d shake up whatever they renamed the mk3 helbore

snipers in a horde based game are already at a disadvantage as is

[tame lodge]

Mk3 has a different iron sights

[full nacelle]

yeah everything about my build, as interesting as it is in concept, does NOT work for auric missions

[fierce spoke]

What shall I put on for Perks and blessings on this bad boi?
Seen someone showing off his with Man-Stopper and Run n Gun

[full nacelle]

you get overrun and then can't do anything

and your bayonet ain't saving you from swarms

[polar jewel]

sounds like someone didn't pass bayonet class

[fierce spoke]

It did? My mistake. I didn't use that model. Wasn't a fan of the bayonet action

[tame lodge]

Well maniacs is great because the adm is high
Flak is a safe option

[low wagon]

that one has shitty bayonet

[polar jewel]

you can absolutely bayonet your way through hordes. I wouldn't recommend it, but you can do it

[flat pebble]

well yeah, the one you used is slow and dogshit

[low wagon]

it's not stabbing galore, it overhead with butter knife

[flat pebble]

the overhead bayonet is objectively not good

[polar jewel]

truthfully I would never use the 3's bayonet

[tame lodge]

Yeah the base skin did
If you used any skin from the commissary it would have the same as 1 and 2

[low wagon]

nobody did successfully to this day

[torpid comet]

is this good for a helbore?

[polar jewel]

I tried it for awhile but it's just too slow for what they want it to do

[full nacelle]

mk3 does the same attack pattern as the mk5

what's the difference?

[flat pebble]

i wouldn’t dump charge rate

[polar jewel]

and when the quick stab stunlocks everything it hits and twotaps mutants there's just no reason to ever bother with the harder hitting overhead

[low wagon]

I'd go for ammo or stab as dump stat

[flat pebble]

helbores already have near infinite ammo

[junior needle]

uncharged shots

[full nacelle]

I'm not seeing an overhead attack on either of them

just stabbing

[flat pebble]

the faster firing 2 helbores do a straight, fast stab and you can also bayonet charge with them

[tame lodge]

No difference afaik

[torpid comet]

i got the weapon from completing a mission

[low wagon]

The slowest helbore has overhead attack on bayonet

[flat pebble]

the heaviest one, the one that was the 3 but is now renamed, does an overhead

[tame lodge]

Same 3 cleave stab

[polar jewel]

tbh you can keep the 3s stats just buy a skin to give it back the 2's bayonet

[full nacelle]

maybe they changed it then

they do the same exact stab for me

[tame lodge]

I mean, they changed the name

[full nacelle]

now I got to come up with a new build

[flat pebble]

you said either one of them but there are three

[polar jewel]

the name change is just a bizarre decision it makes even less sense now than it did before

[full nacelle]

the two that have the bayonet attack

[flat pebble]

are you testing out all 3 helbore specials

[full nacelle]

I just tested all 3 and none have an overhead

[flat pebble]

??

[tame lodge]

Mk IV

[full nacelle]

they must have changed it

[flat pebble]

i have to see a video of this because that would be an unlisted change if so

[full nacelle]

yeah I guess so

[last parcel]

i litearlly just used it today lmao

[full nacelle]

can't post vods or I would

[last parcel]

it's more like over the shoulder thou

[blazing notch]

Which Recon Lasgun to go with? 🤔

[polar jewel]

it's a slash instead of a stab

[low wagon]

I just used mk IV - it still has overhead

[full nacelle]

oh it's the mkIV that has it

not the mk3

[polar jewel]

it was the mk3 tuesday

[low wagon]

it probably used to be 3

[last parcel]

mk IV used to be mk III

[full nacelle]

wtf

why would they do that? lol

[last parcel]

mk IIIa is mk I i think

[polar jewel]

who knows

[last parcel]

because fuck you

[full nacelle]

ahhhh

gotcha

[polar jewel]

FS went and changed then ames of everything because ????

[fierce spoke]

@polar jewel the first picture. The one with the stability dump stat of 60

[tame lodge]

And Mk2 is Mk5 lmao

[flint lake]

I preffer manstopper and Scatter Shot

[blazing notch]

They want to make 100% that every youtube video reviewing all of the weapons for each class are completely and utterly wrong

[blazing notch]

Thought so, already has such nutty stability.

[flint lake]

Potentially redundant given how effective vets are at generating crits but I like the assurance

[low wagon]

I'd never dump stability on automatic weapon

when there is mobility that does nothing

[polar jewel]

I'd dump it on recons they have barely any recoil as is

[fierce spoke]

Oh I see that working very well with each other

[fallen sable]

Bolter - Pinning Fire & Fire Frenzy with Superiority Complex. What perks?

[loud flower]

Why did i take me almos 600 hours to use the catachan sword? This thing is godly

[blazing notch]

Which one is that?

[loud flower]

the devil sword

catachan devil, i belive its thje real name

[polar jewel]

the parry is incredible

[loud flower]

Its moveset is really good to use

it feels good

[junior needle]

The one formerly known as the 6d is generally the most popular, even if less ammo efficient

[full nacelle]

what's the point of taking the standard shovel over the flippy pickaxe shovel?

[last parcel]

swings a bit faster

[brisk shuttle]

best group talent tree now?

i.e. if I still wanna dovoice of command

[full nacelle]

Oh. That's a bit underwhelming. Thanks!

[full nacelle]

what do you mean by group talent tree?

[brisk shuttle]

sorry, lemme explain. I played veteran like a "group hug" class where I just buffed everyone

[blazing notch]

builds that help the team not just buff you

[gilded wraith]

What would the helbore dump stat be?

[low wagon]

ammo

or stab, but really ammo

[blazing notch]

Looking at one I'm thinking ammo, but idk

I HATE running out of ammo

[last parcel]

there's a pinned message with a ms word link to an updated vet guide that includes blessings and dump stats for all weapons

[full nacelle]

Ah gotcha. You could go FULL support and do a Born Leader centric toughness regen build or just grab all the Focus Target! stuff and focus more on damage buffs

[gilded wraith]

Thank you!

[low wagon]

get surgical and Shock Trooper talent after Fully Loaded @blazing notch

[blazing notch]

Currently running Plasma Gun rn but I will probably do that later lol

[tawdry jackal]

That kinda changed up my whole build

[pale spear]

I think i heard someone say executioner stance was gonna get buffed. Is this true?

[loud flower]

It got buffed

[full nacelle]

it did get buffs

[loud flower]

Now it naturally resets every time you kill a highlighted target

You dont need to waste the point anymore

[full nacelle]

still the worst vet ability, but it's definitely better

[loud flower]

And you can also swtich to melee

withouth cancelling the ability

[pale spear]

Ah i see

I feel like such a handicap to my team when im not running voc

[gilded wraith]

Hammer = Path?

[last parcel]

yeah

[full nacelle]

nahhh voice of command is just overpowered

[gilded wraith]

Ah, cool

[full nacelle]

infiltrate is good and exe stance is fine as long as the rest of your build is good

[still flare]

I'm having a ton of fun with exe stance + bolter rn

And sapper shovel for the memes, but also staying healthy since defense is a priority with stance

[vocal cipher]

once i complete the remaining penances, i can probably make my old 'fuck-them-shooters' build crazier than ever

[full nacelle]

I hear that bolter buffs made it much better

I still just use it as an ammo dump crusher killer so I don't really feel them too much

[pale spear]

Yea, i gad that sense too. Im trying to get into executioner stance so i dont crutch on it so hard

[still flare]

The spread, wield time, hitbox of projectile, ammo reserves...it definitely feels aight now

[polar jewel]

its positively monstrous

it somehow has better supression than an actual machine gun

[still flare]

Has a place. The amount of shit you can kill and keep stance going in high intensity stuff is pretty good. Anything threatening is just gone

[full nacelle]

Executioner stance is honestly one of the weakest abilities in the game and shout is definitely the strongest. It would definitely feel like a handicap going from one to the other if you're not carrying a really strong gun.

Good luck and godspeed

[still flare]

Shout is definitely better imo

[full nacelle]

shout is just broken tbh

I can't believe it missed nerfs

[orchid hemlock]

It's been nerfed twice

[still flare]

If you wanna pump those elite kills tho, or fill up a kill feed on HI missions, exe stance is for you

[tribal pelican]

ima little confused about charge rate stat on plasma it effects the hip fire?

like how fast you can spray out shots

[pale spear]

I got a god roll inf autogun that i just melt anything thats not a crusher with. My problem with it is tgat you have very little in the way of crowd control like theshout. Yes you can get frag grenades but i feel those need extra tallents

[full nacelle]

and it's still the most broken ability in the game

[orchid hemlock]

Exec is much better now

Before it would reset if you out your gun away

Now it doesn't

[full nacelle]

Yeah one of my exe stance builds uses the columnus infantry autogun... that things can kill anything with the right build

[orchid hemlock]

Which means you can reset the cooldown via melee if u wanted to

[low wagon]

exec and stealth seem good on their own

[full nacelle]

got the rashad axe and frags for when I need to clear hordes

[low wagon]

shout would be good even at +25 toughness

maybe even at +20

[pale spear]

How do you deal with crushers n stuff?

[low wagon]

the way gold toughness stacks, restores back to gold and protects against spillover dmg

[orchid hemlock]

Shout isn't strong because of amount of toughness it gives, it's strong because it gives you overcaped toughness

And it resets your toughness

[low wagon]

yeah, I mean at +20 gold

[frank basin]

it also stagger

[low wagon]

that too

good thing Swede devs are asleep

and don't read that

[torpid comet]

helbore sucks...

[full nacelle]

rending strikes + exe stance + bring it down + deadshot... you can still melt through their armor like butter if you set it up right

[torpid comet]

shoot so slow

[full nacelle]

helbore does suck and is smelly

i'm replacing my helbore build as we speak

[torpid comet]

needs to shoot faster

[tribal pelican]

whats is charge rifel dump stat?

[low wagon]

you forgot onslaught, most important component

[tribal pelican]

*plasms

plasma rifle dump stat

[low wagon]

that's 40% or 50% rending for autos right there in one talent

on best part of the tree

[still flare]

Yeah crushers and maulers are nothing if you build it right

[orchid hemlock]

I would go krak over frags for a vraks build tho

[still flare]

With bolter you don't need deadshot, but deadshot still has a place

[orchid hemlock]

U don't need wave clear if u have a Rashad

Also without onslaught, the vraks struggles to penetrate carapace

[lucid radish]

I love the bolter pistol now

[tribal pelican]

stats plez never seen a bolt pistol mulch a muealer like that

build to

[tame lodge]

Average veteran build

[winter dock]

wow, 3 tapping a crusher with a bolt pistol thats a bit nuts

[full nacelle]

how stupid would it be to do a full impact "tank" shovel knight build for vet?

[pseudo fiber]

It'd be funny

[winter dock]

It would be funny

does shovel get the hammerblow like perks that do +damage on stagger?

[frank monolith]

What blessings 👀

[pseudo fiber]

yup

[grand perch]

i have 3 headshot BP for crusher with this on bpistol

[lucid radish]

This was tested on damnation test dummies

[winter dock]

How odd, so your first shot was a crit, but the second 2 still did huge followup damage.

[lucid radish]

I don’t have any brittleness debuffs. That is odd

[atomic zephyr]

bolt pistol is genuinely crazy now

I’ve been using it with a heavy sword

[grand perch]

2 shot BP on crusher is possible as well

[lucid radish]

That’s impressive

[visual remnant]

which 1 of u gloops is the veteran equivalent to epic cole

what do u run on the sapper shovel and the mg1a

[lucid radish]

Uncanny and thrust, muni MK VII

[visual remnant]

thnx

[lucid radish]

If anyone wants to criticize my shovel and chime in on theirs is okay to do so

[pseudo fiber]

you can also use decimator and uncanny

if you want

[junior needle]

literally who

[pseudo fiber]

Cole from zealot chat

I'd imagine.

[visual remnant]

the veteran expert

[umbral scaffold]

genuine question, i dislike literally every single keystone minus focus target, is it fair for me to just not get a keystone or am i drastically ruining a team by not taking one

[pseudo fiber]

You can run keystoneless vet fine

[visual remnant]

rather, the zealot expert equivalent in vet chat

[pseudo fiber]

Probably path

[pallid mango]

How does that look for blessings and perks on a chainsword? And is there a better "cleaving" option for swarms of enemies?

[grand perch]

if path chimes in you cant go wrong with his advise

[visual remnant]

wrath

and shred

[umbral scaffold]

i just feel like the average talent has more value then all of the keystones honestly

[pseudo fiber]

That's great

[visual remnant]

wpn specialist is busted

especially with weapons that benefit tremendously from crit

like the db or the zarona revolver

[umbral scaffold]

and other then focus being just ping a target nothing really fits me or my style

[visual remnant]

especially with the keystone talen for wpn specialist that can refill your weapon

you essentially never run out of ammo

[trim steppe]

yeah weapon spec is just the default keystone for all my builds because why not

[visual remnant]

and benefit from the first shot crit + all the other benefits swapping to your ranged gets with a crit weapon

it's just so busted

[lucid radish]

It pulls from reserves

[visual remnant]

w the zarona or the db u can obliterate just about everything

[tall torrent]

don't take onslaught here lol none of ur weapons work with it

[visual remnant]

not even needing flak and being able to point blank a mauler is pawesome

dorn was tellin me that one of the mg1a blessings is bugged

[pallid mango]

I'm glad. I still have to find a mobility-dumped Chainsword to replace it with, but i'm happy i at least got the Perks right. I was thinking about switching wrath for the "Get 200% Cleave on triple-hit" one, but i have no concept of what cleave actually does besides "helps with multiple enemies"

[visual remnant]

the one that gives you crit chance on your next weakspot hit if the previous didn't crit

[pseudo fiber]

on the mk xiiig that's a big nono

[visual remnant]

so i wanted 2 see if any of u gloops knew what the bis blessings for the mg1a is

or the mg vii or whateer

[pseudo fiber]

savage sweep is good on the mkiv but the xiiig doesn't have the moveset to proc savage sweep reliably

[tall torrent]

headhunter + ghost basically

[visual remnant]

i'd take wrath and shred with the new chainsword

ah gotcha

[tall torrent]

there's not much else to choose

[visual remnant]

the wrath + shred has insane horde clear

[tall torrent]

infantry lasguns' blessing pool is just sad

[visual remnant]

it's the bis for horde clear according to The Spreadsheet™️

[tawdry jackal]

Wait I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Whoops

[spark helm]

It's like mostly just two options a lot of the time but eh.

[visual remnant]

yah i was lookin at them 4 my moebian 6th trooper larp and they all kinda suck

[junior needle]

You can do it with the heavies now

[lucid radish]

I’d use the chainsword rev for that

[visual remnant]

r the perks flak and unarmored path ?

for the lasgun

[pseudo fiber]

You can but idk still feels a little poopy in my opinion. I prefer wrath overall on xiiig

[tall torrent]

chainsword rev is counted as 1 single dmg instance and doesn't apply onslaught multiple times

[spark helm]

Depends.

I run flak and unyielding on mine

[lucid radish]

That’s good to know

[visual remnant]

to deal w like

gunners n stuff

[spark helm]

I make my lasguns for killing shooters.

[visual remnant]

i know u take flak and unarmored w the grownup lasgun for the oneshot breakpoint

[junior needle]

I haven't touched it since they before changed the heavies

[visual remnant]

yah

[tall torrent]

get tac awareness + iron will 100%

[spark helm]

Taking flak is nice and unyielding works really well.

[visual remnant]

i kinda want 2 make a boss killin mg1a since i use the full auto mod

[tall torrent]

works
flak + maniac also fine

[visual remnant]

w infernus hh and unyielding

just for the luls

[visual remnant]

tank u

[tall torrent]

u just need flak for 2hs scab gunner

[visual remnant]

tank u freaky and kery 2

[tall torrent]

other perk can be whatever

[spark helm]

Wait is this for the infantry lasgun?

[visual remnant]

yah

the mg1a

mg vii or whatever they call it now

[tall torrent]

we should have like a defined term for it
ILG7 maybe

[frank basin]

woe i found this 70/70 knife

[visual remnant]

yah

like ciag

ilg7

[grand perch]

just stick to the old names until they get renamed back

[tall torrent]

doubt tbh

[grand perch]

yeah ofc not

[pallid mango]

OH! Since people are active. I was basically guessing with perks on the Spearhead boltgun. Also, Surgical? I don't think i tend to hold aim for more than a second at a time if ever, and I can't imagine waiting between shots on a plague Ogryn or some other faster monstrosity is worth more than just unloading hip fire into it's general face area. So. Is Surgical really the bis for boltgun if I'm going after Ragers, shield Ogryns, Crushers and other carapacey bois?

[visual remnant]

iirc the bolter got a buff to finesse on headshot

[pseudo fiber]

some may get swapped back.
I'm thinkin lawbringer will get renamed back for example

[grand perch]

if you hold fire for a second thats literally 50% crit

[visual remnant]

yah

i havent used a bolter in a hudnred years

hundred*

[grand perch]

do it its great

[visual remnant]

since the old days

when pinning fire was mega busted

[tall torrent]

Idk, I don't think they'll change any of them but we'll see

[tall torrent]

idrc at the end of the day

[pallid mango]

well, crit is double damage. In the same time i shot 2 shots, i could unload half to full mag into it's face, and start reloading.

[tall torrent]

it's just guide name swap

[pallid mango]

At least how it feels to me

[tribal pelican]

still confused about charge speed on plasma gun

what is generaly the dump stat for plasma

also was charge speed effecting primary fire damage ever patched

[visual remnant]

uh

wasn't it like thermal resistance

since u can't explode w primary fire

[tall torrent]

none

[pseudo fiber]

that was fixed

[pallid mango]

and when i'm getting ran at by a squad of Carapace Ragers, Shield Ogryns, or Crushers, i think i want to put out damage faster than getting the crits on 'shoots once per second or so'.

[tall torrent]

if u want a perfect plasma rn it's
80 dmg
80 stopping power
80 ammo
69 thermal resist
71 charge rate

[visual remnant]

pawesome