#veteran-class

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umbral scaffold
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extremes

frail skiff
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This is prob peak infantry lasgun here

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wet ether
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whats probs the best sniper based weapon?

smoky sparrow
frail skiff
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Yeah

wet ether
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that i can use for stealth vet

frail skiff
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What'd they rename the headhunters again? Vigilant?

umbral scaffold
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i like the helbore though its fun, but as for fast firing lasguns this is simply not it for me, not the oomf im looking for, ermm,... still waiting for that hellgun or heavy stubber/ medium stubber machine guns .,.......

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a girl can dream...

frail skiff
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Hot

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Shot

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Volley

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Gun

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You know what I find funny

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In the talents menu you can see the medium/heavy stubber vet in the picture

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But alas

wet ether
umbral scaffold
oblique totem
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We demand more dakka

smoky sparrow
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i wouldnt bet on it, we already have a twin linked version for ogryn

wet ether
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im just gonna keep my mouth closed about that damn flag that i seen bro

umbral scaffold
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yeah but thats for ogryn and a HEAVY one at it aswell

umbral scaffold
frail skiff
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The devs said I couldn't have a longlas. So I made my own.

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umbral scaffold
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😹

wet ether
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yeah yeah i know the drill damn moderators

smoky sparrow
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now i cant even harass people about their personality, damn moderators

frail skiff
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Hell, I'd be happy with a 200rnd drum mag for the BrAuto gun

oblique totem
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Braced autoguns are a good step but we need more.

umbral scaffold
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would be pretty cool

frail skiff
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Honestly, something like a Tempestus Scion sub class would be good with all the goodies that come with that

oblique totem
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I want to be able to continuously shoot bullets for five minutes straight.

umbral scaffold
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ah yes lets add primarch class and necron class next good idea

frail skiff
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Something that gives vet more shooty over just aim for the head'

oblique totem
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Primaris vet class when?

smoky sparrow
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leman russ battletank class when

grand perch
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Big E hero mode vet when

umbral scaffold
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urrggg this games still doesnt let me play as a warlord titan COMN fatshart....,, its been 2 years,,.,,,.,,,.,.,,,,,,,,.

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,..,

frail skiff
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Where is my warhound titan sub class?

umbral scaffold
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when do we get lore accurate nob class

oblique totem
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Best we can do is a knight.

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Although in seriousness, a techpriest class would be kind of cool.

frail skiff
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Get some of those cool rad weapons

oblique totem
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Weird weapons, weird mechanics (heh), bit of a wildcard.

frail skiff
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Hadron treats you nice

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When Fartshark, when?

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umbral scaffold
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i mean the tempestus armor is in the game

frail skiff
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Unobtainable, iirc

umbral scaffold
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gotta buy it with real money though instead of unlocking which is a huge stinker

umbral scaffold
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the backpack is though

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funily enough,

frail skiff
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Which backpack is it

umbral scaffold
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from hestia's blessing

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for the vet

wet ether
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when was this

umbral scaffold
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yeah , its been awhile though since last it was in rotation

frail skiff
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Isn't it used by the story strike team vet?

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Or am I thinking of that helmet

umbral scaffold
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afaik

wet ether
umbral scaffold
frail skiff
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Got a picture?

umbral scaffold
frail skiff
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wtf

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When was this armor out

umbral scaffold
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some months ago

frail skiff
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Dammit

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This is what I get for going on a 6 month hiatus

steep vault
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Vet chat active

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Impossible

wet ether
umbral scaffold
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this one is though

frail skiff
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Want

umbral scaffold
steep vault
umbral scaffold
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took some time to find

steep vault
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Probably backlog

steep vault
umbral scaffold
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just typed scion ins earch and scrolled till i found images of em

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naturally

frail skiff
golden fox
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I've been playing as my psyker again after a long gap as vet, and just had a "wait, where's all my corruption going, I don't have a perk for that... wait, Field Improvisation works for the whole team?!?!?" moment.

steep vault
umbral scaffold
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not my pic but probably some mod

steep vault
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😭 I'll never find it

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The legs are not scion legs btw

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There aren't any scion legs in game right now

grand perch
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nooo this update finally broke my shaders

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umbral scaffold
frail skiff
umbral scaffold
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i thinky you need to update your drivers lol

steep vault
grand perch
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nope

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its an amd issue that keeps popping up for people. my girlfriend and i have the exact same PC setup. same driver version. she had the LSD bubble, i didnt. now i do to, a year or so after she got it

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only for amd cards far as im aware

full nacelle
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Can someone explain inspiring barrage? I know it gives toughness as you fire but how do the stacks work?

umbral scaffold
wet ether
full nacelle
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Is it like... at 5 stacks of 4% toughness it gives 20% toughness a second while firing or...?

golden fox
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Why doesn't the description say that!

umbral scaffold
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only thoguht it affected my boxes

full nacelle
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you don't even have to be the one to place the medpak iirc

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kinda strong

umbral scaffold
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you know, might make me pick it back up just for that

golden fox
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Reading around, seems to affect anything deployed in your coherency.

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So suffers a lot if others don't know you're running it.

hallow drift
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Is plasma worth?

full nacelle
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it's a great talent but I feel like I don't run into medpacks enough to sacrifice free grenades for it

golden fox
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(Mind you, it serves as an extra reason to keep the larger coherency perk).

umbral scaffold
full nacelle
umbral scaffold
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its got really good cleave and high damage

hallow drift
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Buddy of mine didn't like it back when we played around launc but it's been a LONG time

full nacelle
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nah plasma is top tier

gritty mural
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launch plasma was completely different

umbral scaffold
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its not the same thing at all since then

full nacelle
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I personally find it kind of boring its so strong

hallow drift
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Not so much boss shredding, although it's nice to have

umbral scaffold
hallow drift
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I remember post-perks 2.0 it could one tap most specials uncharged

full nacelle
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plasma is basically that

gritty mural
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plasma had like zero cleave and had health penalty for venting, now its just a crutch weapon people use

full nacelle
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so is revolver if you build it for that

umbral scaffold
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too

hallow drift
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Yeah the health penalty was a fat L for a while

hallow drift
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Like perks/blessings

umbral scaffold
gritty mural
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hoping fatshark nerfs the left clicks cleave and gives it a proper overheat downside in a future update for the plasma

umbral scaffold
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usually the blessings didnt really matter all that much for it since it was kinda that good

hallow drift
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I already use the hellbore but it's just kind of okay for levelling vet

umbral scaffold
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or didnt change much

full nacelle
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yeah I wish Fatshark would nerf the strongest weapons just a tad

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and give me autopistol/shotgun buffs

umbral scaffold
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😭 autopistol buffs ?

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😭 ❓ 😭 ❓ ❓ ❓

full nacelle
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more ammo pls 🥺

hexed trellis
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the autopistol is like

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Good already

umbral scaffold
wet ether
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infantry autogun which is the best variant for a stealth vet that loves to gun and run

full nacelle
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the autopistol is fiiiine

hallow drift
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I really wish I could funnel XP from other classes so I didnt have to deal with people somehow nearly wiping in T3 while I'm using weapons with 20% damage and no perks cri

full nacelle
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but it's still bad compared to most weapons

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it doesn't need a lot

golden fox
full nacelle
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but they need to either give it more ammo or give it more firepower

hallow drift
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Is there still a viable way to engage turret mode and just delete entire squads of ranged?

full nacelle
hallow drift
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So I can just tag out my vet buddy when he wants to play zealot and get some horde clear dopamine

full nacelle
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an ammo efficient long-ranged weapon like the columnus or one of the headhunter autoguns

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the infantry lasguns and laspistols are good for it too

hallow drift
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Are the regular lasguns good for anything or have they been overshadowed?

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Oh sweet

full nacelle
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nah they're all good

hallow drift
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Any perks to prioritize in the tree?

full nacelle
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the crits on lasguns give free ammo

golden fox
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(I originally called her Ophelia, thinking I was being very clever, then immediately loaded in and saw another and realised it was on the random generator, so remade her as Macharia.)

full nacelle
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pair it with deadshot

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good synergy thumbsup_ogryn

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just make sure you keep that stamina up

umbral scaffold
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assured no ammo expanditure

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so infinite ammo

full nacelle
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^ yup

umbral scaffold
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litterally

hallow drift
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Oooh nice

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Even with a MkIV?

umbral scaffold
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i got one build like that its fun

hallow drift
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Or is the 9 ammo just too much to counteract with shocktrooper?

full nacelle
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and if you really want to lean into being a ranged/special sniper

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exe stance with the one that highlights ranged enemies

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you'll probably suffer in melee but fuggit

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more sniping

hallow drift
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Ive been trying to recommend him swords for melee

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He likes the chaxe so pain is his choice

full nacelle
frail skiff
full nacelle
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You want the bottom-middle tree on every vet build if only for tactical awareness

frail skiff
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Exchange Fire Team for Survivalist since free ammo is always nice no matter what

umbral scaffold
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you know come to think of it now that i switched to ps pc 4 i could just dunk Voice of command for ex stance

full nacelle
wet ether
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chain axe any good?

full nacelle
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do those things and the build becomes MUCH better

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also Charismatic isn't necessary at all outside of Born Leader builds so that's another free talent point to spend

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you could use that point to keep determined if you'd like

frail skiff
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Cause even after the nerf Survivalist is still good

golden fox
full nacelle
golden fox
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I use this on all difficulties.

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Including auric Maelstrom.

umbral scaffold
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anything else no

full nacelle
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I mean the game isn't that hard, I'm just saying I wouldn't use the headhunter for horde clear

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I'd lean into being a special sniper

frail skiff
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Same

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If I wanted to do general horde clearing with a gun then I'd take the BrAuto gun

full nacelle
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^

forest maple
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eyo, anyone with a 80% ammo stat on a headhunter VII (single shot one) able to tell me how much magazine/total ammo is displayed? Got one with 79% ammo and 22/183 magazine and i wonder if getting a 80% will change the magazine ammo to 23

full nacelle
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there are much better guns that can horde clear that are much worse at special sniping

umbral scaffold
golden fox
golden fox
forest maple
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thanks, gotta get a new one then

golden fox
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23/184

forest maple
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yeah, that one bullet in the magazine is important enough. Oh well

golden fox
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I think.

forest maple
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youre not sure?

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can you maybe check?

frail skiff
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Let me check my inventory

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Although I sacrificed like 90% of my inventory to boost levels

golden fox
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I'm sure about the 23, I wasn't certain about the reserve.

forest maple
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having the ingame stats display up to 100 when 80 is the maximum is cruel

full nacelle
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I like my builds to be very specialized to the gun

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but again, the game isn't that hard that you ever have to do all that if you don't want to

golden fox
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But yes, it is 184, it'll be 8 magazines.

frail skiff
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Yeah, I don't have any 80% ammo Vig autoguns

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I seldom use it

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I prefer the helbore

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When I want to go sniping

full nacelle
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honestly my favorite is the revolver

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miss me with that weapon specialist stuff

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I go fully into speedloading that baby 24/7

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and blasting heads from across the map

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it feels so sexy

golden fox
# forest maple can you maybe check?

I think this is solid enough proof - a video I did recently-ish. A MkVII with a 23 round magazine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vPrknELvRo

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Darktide - Marksman Veteran - Consignment Yard (Damnation Hi-Int)

A recording of my Veteran build to go with the recordings of my psyker build (again on Consignment Yard, it seems).


Weapons: Vraks Mk VII Headhunter Autogun (Opening Salvo/Ghost), Munitorum MK VI Power Sword (Power Cycler/Slaughterer)

Bulid: Voice of Command, Krak Grenade, Fire Team, Marksman's Focus

Major mods: Loadout Monitor, Mini-M...
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frail skiff
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I just prefer the extreme ammo sustain of the helbore since you theoretically have infinite ammo for the entire mission if you play it right

forest maple
full nacelle
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yeah that's very true... I have a helbore build that leans totally into smokes and exe stance

glad kite
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my bolt pistol doesnt even get a skin

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full nacelle
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but I kind of hate smokes... as much as I want to run them staregryn

glad kite
jaunty lake
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Mommy dukane anyone?

glad kite
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nice

frail skiff
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I also might have the weapon customization mod that lets me slap a scope on it...

golden fox
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Admittedly, it was still called the Vraks then, and I'm not sure why they changed all the names, but the ammo count hasn't been messed with.

frail skiff
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Longlas at home

full nacelle
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I wish smokes were better for general use

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they're so specialized and weird

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I can grab every trait to be a smoke grenadier but if there aren't a million gunners and snipers... I'm just sitting on them

frail skiff
full nacelle
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it's so niche

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and I don't want to be the guy blinding his teammates for half the match just to be cool

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I really wish they would make the particle effect not so harsh and maybe give it a small buff to make them generally useful

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25% faster toughness generation... something

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right now it's like blind your team and MAYBE be helpful

frail skiff
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Also

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Did you know if you underhand grenades when using Infiltrate you won't break stealth?

full nacelle
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I thought it was throwing them in general?

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is it just underhand?

frail skiff
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Yeah

full nacelle
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oh.

frail skiff
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I have a recon las demo stockpile expert infiltrate build that almost never runs out of grenades

full nacelle
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I just made my ultimate grenadier build

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bolt pistol blessing buffs grenades radius

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which is a nutty little interaction I really hope they don't "fix"

frail skiff
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Wut

full nacelle
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yeeee

novel stone
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Is brutal momentem still the best for a Power sword or would something like sunder be better?

smoky sparrow
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pretty good

novel stone
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Just got a banger one and wondering what to put on it

full nacelle
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sunder is better

novel stone
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Got it I figured

smoky sparrow
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its really not

novel stone
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I feel like with the way I'm using the sword I'm not getting the best out of brutal momentem

golden fox
novel stone
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Which is likely a skill issue

frail skiff
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Wait, Lethal proxy works on all grenades?

full nacelle
smoky sparrow
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im sure it doesnt on smokes

full nacelle
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super fun build

frail skiff
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Do you use tinker for the radius increase?

novel stone
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I'm looking at sunder and I'm just thinking it's better

full nacelle
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the other things you can argue would be better or worse depending on what you want to do

frail skiff
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So do your frags just nuke a room?

novel stone
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Bigger stuff even takes a bit of dmg

full nacelle
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but all that those points could definitely go to something better

smoky sparrow
novel stone
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I've never been in that situation

smoky sparrow
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igroning hit mass is pretty damn op

novel stone
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Granted I usually use ping

novel stone
full nacelle
smoky sparrow
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its preference really

novel stone
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I'm gonna try sunder with the new sword I got and see how I like it

frail skiff
full nacelle
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sunder gives you infinite cleave

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the only reason to take brutal momentum is the weakspot damage

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if that lets you hit a breakpoint, maybe its worth it over sunder

smoky sparrow
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it literally doesnt give you infinite cleave

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bromentum does tho

full nacelle
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unless it has been changed, it does

smoky sparrow
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sunder does not give "infinite" cleave

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it enhances cleave sure

full nacelle
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it is effectively infinite staregryn

smoky sparrow
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just as bromentum

full nacelle
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you're gonna have to be hitting a horde of crushers for it not to cleave

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only if you're getting weakspot kills

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which you're not on crushers

novel stone
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I'm gonna try it on a lvl 4 rn

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With a boltgun

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Speaking of, pinning fire still good for that?

frank gyro
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ayo, which perks are fire on catachan?

full nacelle
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so yes, it's better on a horde of ragers if you hit them all in the head... its worse against any horde with crushers or maulers

smoky sparrow
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it ignores hit mass on maulers as well

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just hit the head lol

full nacelle
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on weakspot kills

smoky sparrow
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ye, use the stabby sword

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ez clap

full nacelle
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kills being the optimal word

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if you're not oneshotting that mauler with your swing

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you ain't cleaving

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so Sunder is better for horde clear

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BM gives more damage on weakspots

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BM can give you the same horde clear in some circumstances

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Sunder gives you the best horde clear in every circumstance

smoky sparrow
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as i said, its a preference, neither is "best"

forest maple
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whats the dump stat on the bolt pistol? mobility or collateral?

full nacelle
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And I would argue Sunder is better because I like being able to cleave through carapace enemies

forest maple
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how usefull is collateral

full nacelle
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and don't need the weakspot damage

golden fox
# full nacelle but all that those points could definitely go to something better

Well, I've generally found them useful (although definitely prefer One Motion over Vanguard), and I'm not that certain where I'd invest it instead.

One thought I have is swapping tactical reload for born leader, but my question is whether born leader actually works if you're already at full toughness, or whether you actually need to be regaining toughness.

full nacelle
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having your ability up more through a mission and spamming it is one of the most powerful things you can do on every build

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and it's amazing if you're a special sniper

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and born leader is a meme but you could potentially do that too since you have quite a bit of toughness generation in your build

frail skiff
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Tac Awareness is a meta pick

full nacelle
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it's not only meta, it's super fun thumbsup_ogryn

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I usually hate "meta" stuff but in this case I gladly take it on every build

frank gyro
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hey whjch perks and blessings should i get for catachan sword?

golden fox
full nacelle
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you do, so it would actually be decent

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lots of people crap all over born leader cause it's a pretty silly "support" talent but if you lean into it its actually pretty good at carrying teams that like to take damage

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keeping up golden toughness is big

golden fox
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I'll see if I can get on without tactical reload (although it does make me feel less guilty about reloading three rounds just in case), but obviously out for blood would be part of that value, so I'll have to work out what to trim elsewhere if I need another point for getting down to tactical awareness.

full nacelle
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Sorry that took so long... Here ya go!

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This is my goofy support grenadier build

frail skiff
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Funny grenade build go boom

full nacelle
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you spam your buffed up frag grenades on hordes

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mark targets for Focus Target! for big team support and constant stamina/toughness regen

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and you can constantly run around with bolt pistol hipfire with Run 'n Gun

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constantly reposition yourself and even throw grenades in stealth with infiltrate

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it's super goofy and super fun

umbral scaffold
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wouldnt voc be better for a support build ?

ancient raptor
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best bolt pistol perks and blessings ?

full nacelle
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voice of command is better on every build because it's broken

frail skiff
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Infiltrate is an oh shit button

full nacelle
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I run infiltrate because it's fun and lets me throw more grenades from stealth/out of stealth with low profile

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leans more into the fun and niche of the build rather than just being another shout-bot

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I already have another voice of command+born leader "medic" build

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this one is more about support through Target Down!'s constant buffs

full nacelle
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run 'n gun and lethal proximity

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it's pretty much the bolt pistol's only niche

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best grenadier weapon and lots of mobility

novel stone
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What does hit mass mean again I swear I'm not a noob

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I just wanna know what I'm missing out on

woeful ibex
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anyone tried power blast?

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is it good?

full nacelle
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every enemy has a certain amount of hit mass that your cleave stat goes against

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so BM says, if you kills them with a weakspot hit, you still have full cleave

smoky sparrow
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superior to sunder in every way

full nacelle
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Sunder says, you have infinite cleave unless you're hitting like 5 crushers in a row

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don't have to hit heads, don't have to kill them

smoky sparrow
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bromentum says you have infinite cleave if you are able to hit heads

novel stone
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Yeah that's my thing, I know it's skill issue but I hate thinking about hitting heads

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I only do it with normal looking enemies

full nacelle
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if you are able to hit heads and kill them with that headshot

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so just don't hit crushers

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maulers

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so sunder is better

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🙂

novel stone
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Yeah so use a bolt gun or plasma gun or revolver with it

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Which is what I just did and gotta say after getting really used to it, bolt gun might be new favorite gun

thorn lark
smoky sparrow
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im pretty sure it says "ignore hit mass"

thorn lark
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It's 4 targets

novel stone
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I hate all my most like guns being the "crutch" or pussy guns

full nacelle
thorn lark
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You os one, you os 4

full nacelle
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the push attack oneshots them

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if you build it right

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so I slap sunder on, cleave hordes, and if I see a carapace baddie I want to kill

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quick push attack

novel stone
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I agree I just like having a good range gun that can really melt big guys

full nacelle
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yeee you can never go wrong with the revolver or plasma

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they broken af

novel stone
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I've been really enjoying the recon las but man I forgot how much I miss the big guns

thorn lark
smoky sparrow
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its 4 targets without falloff

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not 4 targets max

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you can absolutely kill 5

thorn lark
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Bro, there's no infinite cleave with bm

full nacelle
thorn lark
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You get 4, maybe 5 and then there's a bit of fallof dmg

full nacelle
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roll them together and you oneshot a crusher with one push attack

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it's nutty

thorn lark
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So not infinite.

smoky sparrow
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theres no infinity in anything

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i get that

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but its not 4 max

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thats just misinformation

thorn lark
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Bm is 4 targets

smoky sparrow
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4 without falloff

full nacelle
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Stragekopp is wrong and smelly. You want Sunder for carapace.

ancient raptor
smoky sparrow
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you can still kill 5

novel stone
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Dps*

full nacelle
# ancient raptor thx bro

Gotchu! Don't need to follow that build at all, but you should definitley run a grenade build if you run bolt pistol! Super fun thumbsup_ogryn

smoky sparrow
full nacelle
thorn lark
novel stone
thorn lark
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The falloff is not part of bm

full nacelle
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Which one you replace is up to you and your build

smoky sparrow
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you are ignoring that the weapon has a cleave value in itself

novel stone
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Yeah I was just using maniac elite cause I was stuck

thorn lark
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Only the HSword can do 5 on h1

smoky sparrow
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saying its 4 targets max is just wrong

full nacelle
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can we talk about BM on Rashad though?

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FUUUUUU

smoky sparrow
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i gotta try that again now that i can do a perfect one with no problems

full nacelle
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I spent ages rolling mine

smoky sparrow
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whats the dumpstat on it?

full nacelle
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so worth it

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mobility

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everything else is good

smoky sparrow
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shouldve known

novel stone
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Is the chainsword worth using over a power sword in any situation

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I just want mine to be good ): it's so fun

smoky sparrow
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absolutely

full nacelle
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I couldn't help you there

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chainsword is definitely good

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I just don't use it

smoky sparrow
#

shredder is pretty good boss dmg

novel stone
#

I've heard a lot of conflicting things about blessings

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Shredder and rampage I think was one I was told

full nacelle
#

I don't like chainswords and I don't like lasguns

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I deserve to be lynched

novel stone
#

I honestly like the normal lasguns feel

smoky sparrow
#

||i abhor the kantrael||

full nacelle
#

helbores are ok and laspistols are cool

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everything else can suggit

novel stone
#

I just like the sound and feel of the infantry

frail skiff
#

Recon las go brrrrrr

full nacelle
#

yeah I tried to do a recon las for maximum brrrrrrr

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then I realized I was just doing a worse version of my beloved Graia Braced build

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but with lasers

frail skiff
#

Is Graia better than the Agripina now?

full nacelle
#

depends on what you want to use them for

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agripina is better as a generalist weapon

#

graia is a fucking 1000 ammo pea shooter that kills anything in front of it instantly and suppresses everything in a room instantly

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but has 0 cleave KEKW_ogryn

frail skiff
#

What's the mag size?

full nacelle
#

I think the cap is literally 1000

#

you just spray the secondary fire CONSTANTLY

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go full rambo

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it's such a fun build

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safe to say my most played

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you take the +50% suppression node and everything will instantly start cowering in fear the second you start shooting

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even reapers

frail skiff
#

Show me the build

full nacelle
#

let me see if I have it on darktide builds... I really need to bring all my builds over there

#

thinking about doing a youtube series on my favorite builds

#

one sec

frail skiff
#

Cause I love full auto mag dump builds

tough tiger
#

Is the graia actually that better than the recon las?

#

Recon las has that no ammo consumption on crit talent that makes it pretty funny

frail skiff
#

I have a recon las build and I have to actually put in effort to run out of ammo

full nacelle
#

my graia damage was noticeably higher

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recon las build definitely had near infinite ammo

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but it took me much longer to do what I'd do on my graia build

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and I very rarely run out of ammo on it

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also I don't have the build so let me make it real quick

winter grove
#

How do I sacrifice gun for mastery again

frail skiff
#

Hadron

full nacelle
winter grove
full nacelle
#

shovel for carapace oneshots, gun for everything else

frail skiff
#

Click sacrifice

winter grove
#

I don't see it

full nacelle
#

it's the second option when you talk to her

#

before you go into entreat with hadron

winter grove
#

Oh my god it's because I use direct to hadron button

frail skiff
#

Oh dear god

#

Weapon specialist

winter grove
#

I have to talk to her

frail skiff
#

THe firerate

full nacelle
#

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

#

the only thing this build struggles with is boss damage and that's a worthy sacrifice

#

honestly you could probably trade out the melee weapon for power sword for that

#

but eh

#

I like my oneshot shovel

full nacelle
frail skiff
#

loooool

winter grove
#

Something I haven't done in 50 or so hours

full nacelle
winter grove
#

Oh

#

I

full nacelle
#

Oh.

winter grove
#

Sacrificed two different guns to bolt pistol

#

Well that's good to know

full nacelle
#

I did the same thing

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LMAO

#

luckily I didn't have too much

winter grove
#

At least my bolt gun is now a level closer to perfection

full nacelle
#

but sacrificed like 4 gold weapons

forest maple
#

How important is collateral really for the bolt pistol? Got mine with 61% collateral as the dump stat

full nacelle
#

and go barely any exp

winter grove
#

Oh no I just sacrificed two guns I absolutely didn't need

full nacelle
winter grove
full nacelle
#

yeah you definitely want to buy out melks green and blue weapons now

#

and feed them to hadron

winter grove
#

The fucking redistribution

full nacelle
#

easy exp farm

frail skiff
#

Smoke grenade?

winter grove
#

Smoke is nice

#

It's like psyker shield

#

But it confuses new players

full nacelle
#

you could easily grab krak grenades and give yourself much better boss damage

#

in fact I should probably do that

#

it's just a very tight build for everything that I want

#

I apply brittle to the boss from my team

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that's my job done

#

they can pick up the slack while I mow down everything else

winter grove
#

I also wanna talk avout how

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Power sword is almost fully mastered for me

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For context

#

I never fucking used powerswords

#

And yet they're like

#

Mastery 14 from the start

#

How

full nacelle
winter grove
#

Make it make sense

full nacelle
#

here's that same build but now with boss damage

#

whoops

#

fixed the link

coarse plinth
#

Is aiming down sights considered alternate fire?

full nacelle
coarse plinth
#

ty

full nacelle
#

gotchu

#

aight I gotta get to bed before the sun comes up

#

good night folks!

#

let me know how you like the graia if you try it @frail skiff

frail skiff
#

I just wish we had a machine gun that had 200rnd mags like the heavy stubber in the vet skill tree on the left side

ancient raptor
frail skiff
strong pine
#

how do ya'll build your recon lasguns?

topaz lance
#

the fact that melee kills now refresh exe stance is just amazing

strong pine
topaz lance
wind schooner
full nacelle
#

even lower collateral with the right talent will still instantly suppress everything

#

Reapers might take .1 second longer

wind schooner
topaz lance
#

Just tested in the Psykanium, MELEE KILLS DEFINITELY DO REFRESH EXE STANCE NOW

#

nice

full nacelle
wind schooner
#

There were some stealth changes that weren't logged from what someone said earlier

#

Like the plasma getting stopped by some sheet metal shields

full nacelle
umbral scaffold
#

The most goated exec stance change

full nacelle
#

you're going to either suppress them after a millisecond of firing or two milliseconds

wind schooner
#

In that case I'll just take the higher mobility one

full nacelle
#

but yeah Reaper's are the only things that take longer to suppress

topaz lance
full nacelle
#

but it's still almost instant

full nacelle
topaz lance
full nacelle
#

I'm into it haha

#

does exe stance do much for it?

topaz lance
#

Well double barrel can use any damage boost it can get to work over a longer distance. exe also reduces the spread which also increases effectivity at range and gives it more oompf generally. You'll hit things with ore pellets.

#

nothing funnier than sniping a sniper with the db from 30m away

topaz lance
full nacelle
#

thanks man haha

#

I'm gonna test it later

topaz lance
#

haha no issue

full nacelle
#

I wanted to do a more double-barrel centric build but it turned into a melee build that just so happens to have a cool shotgun

topaz lance
full nacelle
#

gotchu

#

I might try that instead tbh

#

the reload blessing

#

exe stance might make a shotgun-centric build decent

#

but we shall see

torn root
#

not even gunna go for the 62 mobility, FINALLY grinding matters!

image.png
#

am still broke but broke and happy

winter grove
#

So dw

torn root
#

but bigger number makes brain tingle

#

hehe

winter grove
#

It literally doesn't matter

#

51% mobility gives extra dodge

#

Past that nothing important

marble yew
#

what is the dump stat on plasma? im torn between charge rate and ammo

winter grove
#

Charge rate

thick kestrel
#

ok mainly because I've now got the choices on a few guns... Deathspitter vs Fire Frenzy... Power vs Damage still eludes me as a specific metric?

like I get that power also includes things like stagger... but judging it against just straight up damage confuzzles.

winter grove
#

Charge rate and mobility

marble yew
#

it doesnt have mobility

winter grove
#

Charge rate it is

#

Safe assume that if something has mobility

marble yew
#

alright

winter grove
#

Then it's the dump stat

hollow warren
#

ObeseMegalodon why bother renaming the gun to a Columnus, when the description still reads Graia? whatthefuck_heresy

why.png
full nacelle
winter grove
topaz lance
full nacelle
#

instant reloads, infinite deadshot cleaves

#

I'm about to try it in a real game

sharp echo
#

hyello veterans, what is dump stat for recon las, collateral?

noble zinc
#

Mhm, double barrel is certainly passable now.

sharp echo
#

or maybe moblity

full nacelle
noble zinc
#

I see they've made the bolter incredibly boring as a "deleted everything instantly" gun now. Except maybe crushers?

sharp echo
noble zinc
#

Was struggling to even get my ranged specialist stacks with some dude just deleting everything I'm going for from behind me. zzz.

full nacelle
#

it's funny because the only way I enjoy using the bolter is as a "dump everything on the big boys" gun

#

why would I pick the bolter to snipe?

sharp echo
#

I feel like if you wanna play a sniper just take the helbore

mental parcel
#

how does the crafting work now??

sharp echo
mental parcel
#

it is 1000 times for confusing

mental parcel
winter grove
torn root
#

each point can go into leaveling a blessing

full nacelle
torn root
#

there is a threshold you have to clear before you can unlock a new level in a blessing

noble zinc
#

Was kinda funny having incredibly high knife usage and somehow now having knife maxed coming into this update lol. I actually had to complete a mission to get it maxed.

winter grove
#

There's only one combat shotgun that can snipe

noble zinc
#

People that stockpiled blues winning this patch.

full nacelle
sharp echo
#

also happy for you vets you get the dueling sword you were begging for since the beginning

full nacelle
#

feels so much better to mag dump with it

winter grove
#

Now I do same with bolt pistol

full nacelle
noble zinc
#

Yup, and you can oneshot crushers with dueling swords, engaging gameplay for sure..

mental parcel
torn root
#

its way better than the old one

winter grove
torn root
#

you get guarenteed perfected rolls now

mental parcel
torn root
#

took me literally 500 plasteel

image.png
full nacelle
torn root
#

lmao

#

so yes its is way better

mental parcel
#

the locks were annoying but now i dont know how to sell something

torn root
#

you dont even have to go on missions

full nacelle
#

you sacrifice weapons of the same type for mastery

#

if you don't need them for that

#

you disard them for money and plasteel

torn root
#

you can sac any weapon

#

to get mastery for another

umbral nest
#

any heavy sword users in the chat?

toxic leaf
#

sup

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

i use hsword on vet holla at me

umbral nest
#

is it that bad on vet? I like it's vibe

winter grove
#

It's not bad, zealot just benefits more

toxic leaf
#

that's incorrect

#

hsword is bad on zealot because zealot cant really do much about armour other than run bolter

#

veteran can krak armour

#

"bad" anyways

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

its good but has a clear limitation

torn root
toxic leaf
#

yea you can revolver but zealot doesnt get auto loading

torn root
#

ppl trolling when they say zealot cant deal with armor

mental parcel
torn root
#

you mean your zealot cant

winter grove
torn root
winter grove
#

Zealot quite literally grabs revolver to snipe 2-3 people

umbral nest
#

I mean I can still spec it to use it in aurics right?

sharp echo
#

it's OK?

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toxic leaf
#

so 5 bullet limitation, reload

winter grove
#

And get back to meleeing

umbral nest
#

I want to run the heavy sword with my bolt pistol

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

hsword is very good on veteran

umbral nest
#

also which version of the heavy sword do you think is the best?

toxic leaf
#

but you want melee spec

winter grove
#

Mk9 was the previous name

toxic leaf
#

9 is the best for horde clearing

winter grove
#

Don't know which is it now

umbral nest
#

Do you have a build example for melee you could share with me?

winter grove
#

I mean I have WS veteran build, but it was optimised for tactical axe and revolver/bolb pistol

toxic leaf
toxic leaf
sharp echo
toxic leaf
#

its like interchangeable with rashad, you get better horde clear and rager clear in exchange for being much worse into crushers and maulers

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

heavy sword? yea you need to heavy to horde clear

winter grove
#

Yeah

toxic leaf
#

instead of light spam

winter grove
#

So it was optimized for mindless light spam

#

Because I like seeing heretics die

toxic leaf
#

ive used the above with heavy sword just as well as rashad

#

i do like rashad better becauae its easier to rapid click

#

but its also carpal tunnel inducing haha

winter grove
#

Rashad is just better than two

#

It's not even comparable

toxic leaf
#

i agree, rashad is overall better

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

but heavy sword is still top 5 at worst

#

and you can use it for the same things

winter grove
#

Honestly

#

Nah

#

Not even top 5

#

Veteran just had good melee picks pre update

toxic leaf
#

heavy sword can cleave through more than 4 enemies, including bruisers

#

it has really good generic horde clear

winter grove
#

Combat Axes, Power Swords, are like

#

The best

toxic leaf
#

and its very strong into ragers and specialists

torn root
#

🙂

winter grove
#

Shovels perform great

sharp echo
toxic leaf
#

the folding shovel is imo the best vet weapon if you arent spec'd for melee and need to whip something out

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

like for exec stance imo

sharp echo
#

oho k

#

ok

#

thxs

winter grove
#

Maces also perform nice

toxic leaf
#

lots of dodges, good dodge distance, can specials one shot mutants n such

umbral nest
#

power sword just annoys me have to turn it on over and over again even with power cycler

winter grove
#

Oh and knives

#

5 melee types pre update

#

That are kinda better than hswords

#

Now we have dueling swords

#

Which is a whole new topic

torn root
#

and still being able to clear hordes

toxic leaf
#

anyways, i find the heavy sword to be great, weakness into armour notwithstanding

#

rashad is just rashad

winter grove
#

Psword mk6 oneshots crushers btw

torn root
#

2 shots

#

shove into light

winter grove
#

It can very much oneshot with PA

torn root
#

2 seperate hits

winter grove
#

I am talking one PA

#

There was some setup for that

torn root
#

i really dont see a meaningful way of clearing 3.6k in 1 poke

winter grove
#

WS melee probably can do that

mental parcel
#

what happens with players who are like me, who have all their weapons maxed out and got all the perfect weapons before the talent tree update and now i cant sell stuff

torn root
#

like even with finess you need a bit more damage

toxic leaf
#

vet is just an embarrassment of riches, you can use any melee weapon and be fine

torn root
#

desperado*

mental parcel
#

my pockets will become full with random weapons i dont want

winter grove
#

Vet is just best fr

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

voc papers over a lot of things and exec stance is really strong if you can maintain space and know when to melee

#

recently tried out headhunter autos with exec stance and was really pleased, but its a much tighter playstyle without a panic buttonm

winter grove
#

Exec stance bolter is fun

topaz lance
toxic leaf
#

executioner's stance is strong but it also is only worth it imo in auric damn, becaues the number of specialists/elites is just too low otherwise

winter grove
#

Does DB deadshot even work

#

@tall torrent I am uncertain pleas help

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

right but it wont refresh

winter grove
#

Yes it will?

#

What are you on

toxic leaf
#

what are YOU on

#

killing a generic shooter doesnt refresh exec stance

winter grove
#

Tell me you're just baiting

toxic leaf
#

like a shooter?

winter grove
#

Yes

toxic leaf
#

not an elite or specialist?

winter grove
#

A scab/dreg shooter

#

A guy with gun

lone sierra
#

can someone recommend one build for veteran that i can count on myself and carry myself in auric damnation?

toxic leaf
#

what are you talking about mate

#

exec stance doesnt refresh on killing a non elite

#

OH

#

you need counter fire

winter grove
#

Are you

#

Kidding me

mental parcel
winter grove
#

Why are you complaining

mental parcel
#

i sold 2 weapons and got nothing

winter grove
#

Did you sell them or sacrifice them

mental parcel
#

i cant sacrifice anything bc of maxed on everything

winter grove
torn root
winter grove
#

Everyone automatically assumes you have it

torn root
#

or dont lmao

#

such a non issue

#

fr

#

you get back ordos for discarding

toxic leaf
#

oh maybe thats why i was underwhelmed in a low density auric

#

i didnt play around with it much before

winter grove
#

So you basically used a worse version of exec stance

toxic leaf
#

yea basically

#

i found it was really strong in histg lol

winter grove
#

That's why I was confused first

toxic leaf
#

but then regular hi intensity there just wasnt much to kill

winter grove
#

Because everyone know counter fire is a must pick

toxic leaf
#

yea it makes a lot of sense haha

winter grove
#

Well out of the veteran players

toxic leaf
#

i never played it around with it much in the past

#

i stopped experimenting with vet a while ago and used it as the class that i played when i wanted to win

low pagoda
#

what is the dump stats for plasma gun ?

toxic leaf
#

so basically voc + revolver

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

because i dont like using plasma, not adsing feels weird

low pagoda
#

okay thanks

near abyss
#

Which heavy sword mark is good for horde?

low pagoda
#

yeah using plasma for a bit feel like iam sloooow

winter grove
winter grove
#

How do you stay on same build for so long

#

I can't play the game without trying new shit

lone sierra
#

Rising Heat
what does this do?

torn root
#

then make a new one

#

was hard before because the crafting system was our biggest enemy

winter grove
#

I know that

#

At least

#

I can finally do it

#

Perfect my MG12 ilas build

#

Sorry mk9

#

Fucking renames

toxic leaf
#

i played a lot of ogryn and psyker

winter grove
#

Now it makes sense you didn't know about counter fire

toxic leaf
#

yea, i basically only played vet if i was annoyed on a losing streak and wanted to win

umbral scaffold
#

For weapons you want your Mobility to be at min 75% maximum 80%

toxic leaf
#

because vet domination

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

i experimented with melees for a while, not guns or abilities

winter grove
#

Mobility is a dump stat

torn root
#

only in fringe cases do you want it that high but usually mobility is the dump stat on weapons because you only need it in the 50s to get the extra dodge

toxic leaf
#

power sword wants high mobility

torn root
#

nope

#

well idk mobility is still the dump stat on Psword

toxic leaf
#

is it?

torn root
#

60-62 on the best roll

toxic leaf
#

powered swings are infinite cleave arent they

torn root
#

cleave damage and targets still matter technically

torn root
#

just usually with sunder you wont have your attacked stopped in mixed hordes

toxic leaf
#

i see

#

powered swings right?

torn root
#

power cycler lights yeah

toxic leaf
#

maybe ive been wrong this entire time, wouldnt be the first time today haha

torn root
#

you can use heavies too if you want

#

they do increased damage with sunder

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

what about brutal momentum

#

i always thought one of cleave targetr or damage couldnt be dumped with bmom or sunder

winter grove
#

PC bromentum is a standard blessings pick for mk6

torn root
#

Brutal Momentum is only for if you cant hit break points on Crushers or if you really want the damage for cleaving at head height

#

it still gets stopped in mixxed hordes

toxic leaf
#

like on bruisers or because cleave limit?

torn root
#

armor, so bruisers, bulwarks etc

#

with sunder you can kill everything around a bullwark while stunning them

#

for example

toxic leaf
#

so with bmom, cleave targets seems like it does nothing on powered swings?

graceful osprey
#

Is puncture/pinning fire or puncture/shattering impact better for Boltgun?

toxic leaf
#

if it always hits the cap?

#

or is that wrong

torn root
toxic leaf
#

not damage, targets\

torn root
#

because momentum stops when you dont kill something on a cleave

toxic leaf
#

oh i see

torn root
#

cleave damage helps that to not happen

toxic leaf
#

yea damage distro

#

but doesnt powered swings have such high cleave damage that its not relevant or?

winter grove
torn root
#

its always relevant when you go up in difficulty

umbral scaffold
#

I thought BM gave the cleave to the entire hit when you killed one enemy

toxic leaf
#

ok, ive been running mobility dump anyways

torn root
#

its the difference of just being able to cleave stun and clear mixxed waves with ease

near abyss
#

Which powersword mark is better?
And what to use as a second blessing to cycler?

toxic leaf
#

mk6 is best because light swings are horizontal

dire olive
#

And stab

winter grove
toxic leaf
#

and push stab

torn root
#

well since we can max Pswords now

#

i wanna say BM+PC is okay

winter grove
#

PC+Sunder is better on mk3

torn root
#

but Sunder + Power Cycler is better

near abyss
#

Which should I keep?

image.png image.png
winter grove
#

Unironically

torn root
toxic leaf
#

@winter grove this is what i been using on exec stance, is that what we want

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near abyss
torn root
toxic leaf
#

i have 1 extra point and not sure if i need supp immunity

torn root
#

yes

#

mk 6 Sunder is better if you can kill everything with your skill tree

#

if you cant that's when you take Brutal Momentum

near abyss
#

What traits for mk6?

toxic leaf
#

this is the first power sword i ever rolled when i created my vet over a year ago

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winter grove
#

Bm is better

torn root
toxic leaf
#

@winter grove pls comment on my tree, is it good for exec stance?

torn root
#

brutal is only better when you cant clear the quick 2 hit kill on cruchers

toxic leaf
#

shouldnt all pswords be able to do that these days

winter grove
winter grove
near abyss
torn root
#

I had Brutal on my sword for the longest, use sunder in auric

#

you will immediatley notice the difference when you are just stunning everything

#

that cleave doesnt kill

winter grove
#

Did you know that sunder allows to you to hit up to 4 people max

#

Only

torn root
#

mixxed hordes or otherwise

winter grove
#

And bromentum does literally same thing

#

But with extra dmg

torn root
#

they both do extra damage btw

#

just to put that out there

winter grove
#

Sunder does extra on heavy attacks

#

Which is why it's better on mk3

#

Bm just does it

torn root
winter grove
#

Sunder PC Mk3 powersword isn't a meme

torn root
#

just clipped that as we were speaking

#

only hits 4 where?

#

dont spread mis info plz

winter grove
#

I was basing off path's words

#

The guy that made previous and is making current guide

low wagon
#

How is power sword in general nowadays? I'm trying it out in psykhanium atm and it feels bit weaker than I remembered...

winter grove
stray sage
#

But works fine vs normal enemies like back in the day

winter grove
low wagon
#

that's my impression, but I thought I might be wrong

winter grove
#

Power up, swing and kill

#

You just need PC

stray sage
#

The only difference is needing a blessing to get multiple powered swings

#

But that's not a problem lmao

winter grove
#

Not anymore

near abyss
#

Not anymore

torn root
#

and ragers mid combo iirc

low wagon
#

and aside from Blessings discussed above, what's recommended perks for Weapon Specialist builds?

winter grove
#

Just melee talents

toxic leaf
#

if you're weapon specialist, just use rashad lol

low wagon
#

I don't want to play Rashad entire time ;d

toxic leaf
#

true that

low wagon
#

Elite and Carapace...?

toxic leaf
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actually what are the perks one should have on psword, ive been using elite and maniac since forever

low wagon
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that elite seems to hit nice breakpoint on flak and maniacs on crits and cover them nicely

toxic leaf
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both

winter grove
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Perks are elite maniac

winter grove
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