veteran-class

[sullen scarab]

like on aurics there's so many enemies swinging I eventually proc it

I think you should dodge on que for it, but itsj ust on aurics there's so many enemies you just get it just trying not to get hit lol

[zinc surge]

yeh i run reciprocity but sometimes i just dont see stacks eventhough im dodging

[tame lodge]

Bad horde clear

[zinc surge]

ill go precog then and see how it goes i guess

[tame lodge]

It does have some control though

[sullen scarab]

ok cool, I was trying to see if I was crazy

some people were like "Skill issue, it shreds hordes" meanwhile on my psyker I eat shit if the horde is bigger than just like 4 bruisers lol

[zinc surge]

sorry riposte i mean

on my psyker i run gaze and it seems to do ok but i also assail spam to help so the piercing really helps

but on my vet its a struggle

[sullen scarab]

since hte patch I'm struggling FPS wise

i turned off all the enabled FSR shit

but some maps I'm like crawling

[flat pebble]

it is dodge more or less on sound cue

that’s how all the “on dodge” procced blessings and talents work

[zinc surge]

have you noticed if you down to last wound fps jumps?

[sullen scarab]

i don't think so

i usually just eat shit and die due to running at like 10 fps lol

[zinc surge]

me and my friend noticed getting like 20fps more when on last wound

[sullen scarab]

damn

i'll watch out for that

[zinc surge]

with that grey screen effect

[sullen scarab]

the new train map is basically unplayable for me now

the fps is worst there

[flat pebble]

i was getting random fucked up stuttering until I realized it turned on a frame gen setting on this patch for some reason

turned it off and I’m fine again

[sullen scarab]

yeah I turned that off and its better, but still worse than before patch

[zinc surge]

so people wait for the sound of about to be hit THEN dodge thats the norm?

i swear you dont hear it sometime tho

[flat pebble]

I mean idk, I play auric 5s so the hordes are big enough and enough enemies are swinging at once that generally my on dodge stuff is activated without me needing to actively time my dodges

[crude fiber]

Im just dodging around most of the time during hoards, if I hear the whoosh I'll tap block and dodge incase the enemy slides along the earth to still hit like they do sometimes

[zinc surge]

ok thats what im doing is just dodge all the time for safety im not active waiting for the "your getting smacked" sound

[crude fiber]

When your dodges get low just do a push to space them out for a bit

[zinc surge]

yeee i was just wonder cuz im dodging but i never really see reciprocity get maxed out

[hollow bane]

whats best to run on dueling sword?

[zinc surge]

people been saying uncanny and riposte

[faint beacon]

Dueling is so unbelievably broken

That it’s kinda just

[rose gale]

what is the dump stat on plasma guns ?

[faint beacon]

Uncanny + blessing of choice

I run agile just cause it’s when I want to truly tumor max

And be unkillable

[zinc surge]

it has such good dodge anyway is agile really worth?

[hollow bane]

im running those right now

what about the perks ?

[twin kettle]

Best blessings for doom shotgun?

[faint beacon]

Flak + Maniac is always a good default

Flak + Carapace if you specifically HATE crushers

[flat pebble]

maniac for the rager and mutie OHK flak for the mauler OHK

[crude fiber]

do we know what the curio rating is required for 3 stam to be 3 stam? i have curios from 410 - 430 rating. unless they actually fixed them to all be 3 stam

[flat pebble]

oh wait sorry I thought that was regarding the double barrel

[faint beacon]

No no DS

The toothpick sword that’s stupidly overpowered lmao

[near abyss]

Up to 20% what?

[faint beacon]

Power iirc

Think they uh

Forgot to add the word

[severe zinc]

My Base Shovel got better, and I’ve optimized it for a flurry of blows, Hammerblow for boost to impact, and that blessing where you get a boost to power every time you chain attacks, with damage to flak for perk

[zinc surge]

how come flak? for light attack spam?

mix horde?

[misty delta]

flak maniac covers every special and elite except for crushers and mauler headshots (and dogs I guess). It’s just a good pick if you dont have anything specific in mind

[hollow bane]

guess i will do flak+carapace... Was thinking maniac but already one shot maniacs and one shot berserks with 3 uncanny strike

[faint beacon]

Flak paired with Uncanny would let you delete bruisers as well if you’re somehow hitting chest

But it helps with Gunners and Ragers

You could… push for Unarmored

If you really care about killing them quicker horde wise

Groaners+Bruisers

[hollow bane]

i was also gonna do that

[misty delta]

I’d rather just use rampage if I’m worried about trash mobs tbh

[hollow bane]

unarmored+carapace

[faint beacon]

But you’d get more use out of Flak + Maniac/Carapace

[faint beacon]

^

[trim steppe]

✨ Whatever your heart desires✨

[faint beacon]

If your issue is trash

[patent birch]

combat axe, unarmored + flak?

[faint beacon]

Run rampage uncanny

[faint beacon]

Yes always

Unarmored allows for a Bruiser BP

[zinc surge]

but the heavy attack 1 shots pretty much everything bar rager mutant maul crusher is flak not wasted then?

this is unbuffed too as in no uncanny

[orchid hemlock]

CA is Cara+Unarmored

[tall torrent]

I want it

[orchid hemlock]

Unless the patch changed the breakpoints?

[sullen scarab]

It did that weird thing though where the final Charge rate was 69% and the Thermal Resist was 72% though due to the rounding errors

but I don't think a .06 charge time will chagne anything lmao

[faint beacon]

Iirc it actually assists with Mauler chest shots even though with DS you should always aim for the head

[zinc surge]

ooo sorry i didnt read proper you said chest hit

[flat pebble]

unless you’re az in which case it’s something like flak 10% weakspot

[faint beacon]

I’d say DS genuinely just is one of those weapons where it’s so fucking powerful

You could seriously flex it

[severe zinc]

Does plasma gun benefit from that perk that makes it so crits with las weapons consume no ammo?

[sleek garden]

what is ds

[trim steppe]

Nope

[flat pebble]

didn’t you show a flak weakspot/unarmored infested caxe revolver combo like a day ago

is that just for a very very specific build of yours

[thorn lark]

A Man of knowledge

[sullen scarab]

Do you no longer need Flak/Unarmored to hit the bruiser breakpoints on veteran?

I'd love to take carapace on mine to delete some crushers a little faster lol

[trim steppe]

Before update caxe used unarmored+cara

you could get dreg bruisers bp with HT

now with easy 4x80 maybe the bps are changed idk

[sullen scarab]

i'll give it a shot

[sullen scarab]

It does not

[thorn lark]

Nope. Unarmored is still a pain

[severe zinc]

A fully charged, optimized MK 1 Hellebore can 2 hit maulers and crushers, and one shot everything else, even reapers and bulwarks with a headshot

Granted mine essentially has guaranteed crits, but still true

[rotund pasture]

what's da best shovel
I know it's probably a sidegrade situation but c'monnnnn

or at least best for hordes vs best for single target

[faint beacon]

Well I ask

Nvm asked for me

Lmao

[rotund pasture]

😅

[faint beacon]

Mark 1 is horde clear

Mk3 single target

[rotund pasture]

copy that, thanks. would they want different blessings?

[faint beacon]

Mk7 is a hybrid of the two

Mk1 Uncanny + Skullcrusher/Deci
Mk7 above or below dependent on how you want to make it focus more
Mk3 Uncanny + Thrust

Mk7 is literally just

Do you want to lean more into horde clear but still have an anti single target

[rotund pasture]

understood! this is great info, thanks so much

[faint beacon]

Or lean more into anti target but good horde clear

Also np

[last parcel]

also no

[mortal horizon]

so did plasma get nerfed/changed?
whats the difference now?

[tame lodge]

If anything people are talking about bulwark shield

Other than that new blessings were added

So no significant nerfs I guess

[faint beacon]

More buffs from blessings than nerfs imo

[loud flower]

Is No Respite + Weight of Fire the go to for helbore?

[flat pebble]

excuse me my achlys combat axe lost 25% of its unyielding damage

my life will never be the same

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[candid agate]

what are best blessings for mark 7 vigilant auto gun

[flat pebble]

fuck

[flat pebble]

if that’s the single shot one, surgical deadly accurate

[tame lodge]

Achlys axe feels good though

Strikedown times 100

[candid agate]

how is headhunter and deadly accurate because i use that and its really good

[flat pebble]

it’s better on the burst HH

for the single fire one you can just force every shot to be a crit easily with deadshot and surgical

[mortal horizon]

i just read it has less cleave noticeably on the non charged shot and can be played/built around heat stuff and utilizing the right click more now w/ new blessings

someone said on a comment somewhere it was kind of rebalanced

havent tried it yet i will tonight

[candid agate]

you mean deadly accurate right

well anyway gonna try that

[flat pebble]

deadshot the talent lol

[sullen scarab]

Got it, thanks man! Your insight always helps

[midnight totem]

Play Darktide
Get elf vet player named Kerillian
They die several times. Ping near their downed body during the finale saying "objectives over here"
Bitch we're trying to stay alive to pick you up and do the objectives.
Finish the mission finally.
They can't help go down because they're swarmed while trying to kill a sniper.
Moral of the story, kill all Eldar

[candid agate]

oh well thats good to know about

[midnight totem]

Fire frenzy bolter feels great though

See massive wave coming. Pull out bolter, empty it into them

Shout "hol up, got some more" reload, empty another mag

[wild summit]

did the columnus get any nerfs?

thats all?

[flat pebble]

it also got its name changed to the vraks

if you’re using a columnus iag now it’s a different gun

[wild summit]

good to know then

and yeah

4 to 2 is big

its a 50% nerf

but meh

the gun was so strong i barely see it go down

like the vet hard abuses that gun

now if they reduced base damage, THAT would be significant

cause i noticed something was different

just couldnt point my finger to it, cause overall i still wreck house with it

[tame lodge]

It would overlap with Graia no?
Then people would pick Graia because better recoil

[wild summit]

yeah it is a funny issue

i can not see myself picking graia for any reason

but if they nerf vraks, i would just hop over

xD

[tame lodge]

Yeah seems about right lol

[crimson bloom]

I think I'm gonna have to pick up manstopper I been wanting to try that for months now.

[thorn lark]

3 like graia

Braced went from 3 to 2

[tall torrent]

Should I work on updating guide or play the game

[crimson bloom]

I think that question is an obvious one sir.

[last parcel]

play the game

[thorn lark]

Bro another patch will come before you finish updating it

[fading rivet]

I’ve known Columnus has been the meta but as a newish player (little over a month), I refuse to use all basic ballistic weapons anyway, I want them bolters, plasma, and lasguns.

[thorn lark]

So meta weapons

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s actually really easy to update I just need to change blessing descriptions

I’m also thinking

Since everybody just uses IV blessings

Maybe I should delist the 1~3 tier values

And just list IV

[grand perch]

yeah probably

less work in future updates

[tame lodge]

Playing the game to make sure your data is right

[fading rivet]

Not really, I’ve barely touched plasma, Recon II has been my favorite even though VId is higher dps, also love the Hellbores once I get in a rhythm with them

But I like the flavor of the the more futuristic weapons vastly

Need the 40k flavor

[tall torrent]

I haven’t checked new blessings but that’s pretty much it

[forest maple]

vld recon became one of my favorite guns a few patches ago and still think its strong af

[grand perch]

thats some nice chunks off the hp bar

[last parcel]

the only reason i referenced t1-3 was to see if i could cope with a locked t3 and that's done for

[tall torrent]

Makes sense

[thorn lark]

It has replaced VIAG-ra on psyker for me

[low notch]

So what does that do exactly?

[forest maple]

power, 5-10-15-20 at 20-40-60-80 heat levels

[tall torrent]

+20% R.strengrh

[low notch]

Ok, flat dps, not too bad

[crisp schooner]

For a power sword (basic baby) I know, but I'm still leveling my vetr. What would I go for stat/blessing/perk wise?

[forest maple]

power cycler mandatory, then brutal momentum or sunder. Perks w/e you need it for. I would go maniac + elite for overall coverage

[crisp schooner]

What's our dump stat, mobility?

[forest maple]

ye

[crisp schooner]

Thank you.

[tall torrent]

Not true

[last parcel]

[forest maple]

my bad, thats what i thought. What is it?

[tall torrent]

This is +4% R.strength at
19 ~ 37 ~ 55 ~ 73 ~ 91% heat, up to +20%

Same scaling interval as Gets Hot

[low notch]

Cool cool cool

[forest maple]

i thought gets hot was 20-40-60-80...

my bad then

[tall torrent]

Nah it scales in fatshark maths

In intervals of 18
Except it starts at 19

[forest maple]

huh

[cunning sandal]

Oh yeah, we're cooking

[forest maple]

how does it compare to blaze away

[low notch]

I don't know I'll probably go for Focused Cooling

And Gloryhunter

[tall torrent]

RH enables some new breakpoints that are easy to maintain

Blaze away is much harder to maintain and needs u to to actively magdump to benefit

[forest maple]

so, were still running gets hot ?

and flak+elites?

[tall torrent]

Elite/unarmored + maniac
Rising heat + gets hot
80% damage
80% stopping power
80% ammo
69~70% thermal resist
70~71% charge rate

Maniac is better now because with RH at high heat u can reach Dreg rager 1HS (previously difficult without crit)

[forest maple]

got 60% charge rate and 80 for everything else for now. Dont wanna hunt for 70/70

i guess its fine

wait, not flak?

maniac huh

[tall torrent]

Flak gives u both gunner bodyshot

And easier (but still decent on Crit) mauler bodyshot 2 tap

Maniac gives u both flamer bodyshot

[midnight totem]

So it really depends on what you prefer

[tall torrent]

And Dreg rager 1HS (with some non-RNG but conditional damage buffs)

[forest maple]

hmm i find it easier to headshot flamers since they are close range units. Will keep flak for now

[tame lodge]

Fire

Death

Renewal

[forest maple]

Seeing their tanks explode is so much fun

[tranquil bronze]

Holy crap, the Bolter feels good now.

[forest maple]

its pretty insane on zealots tbh

[tall torrent]

That explosion is dangerous

[low notch]

What do you run on bolters btw?

[last parcel]

i run into them when their tanks start spewing (i am very smart)

[tranquil bronze]

Got a good stat one from Brunt

Gonna build on this

[tame lodge]

Yeah very cinema

[low notch]

I take it that pinning fire is still good on bolters

[tame lodge]

It used to be Surgical+ Pinning

[low notch]

I don't know, I see a lot of people just blast it from the hip for the most part

[tame lodge]

Then probably Cavalcade Pinning

[heavy rover]

can I ask what build you're running for that 2-shot helbore? Looking around for some inspiration

[tame lodge]

I haven't used any new blessings on it yet

[rugged ingot]

I'm wanting to see if I could make my shotgun better, I'm using it on a loadout more meant for horde surfing but want my gun to be more for getting bigger targets away from me quickly in case I'm taking too much damage at once. This is what it currently looks like but I just don't know if I'm using the wrong blessings on it. Is anyone able to help?

It feels good, but I feel like it could be better.

[deft crystal]

Goshh darn it my perks reset

and II dont remember what I had

[sullen scarab]

Anyone have a good laspistol skill build?

[severe zinc]

Weight of Fire, plus the blessing that increases your crit chance by 10% every 0.3 seconds at T4 is for maximum damage, particularly with MK 1 Hellebore

[crude fiber]

not the best weapon for removing big targets. blessings i usually run are scattershot and flechette for max DOT damage

[rugged ingot]

I didn't think about DOT, that would definitely be good for what I like.

[loud flower]

Thanks! going to try it out

What would be the dump stat for the helbores? Stability or Stopping Power?

[severe zinc]

The Hellebore that at base does the most charged damage, with Weight of Fire for charge rate, and the increased crit chance while aiming down sites. My dump stat is stability, with a lot of passive abilities that increase damage against elites and enemies from a distance

[loud flower]

What perks do you run? Maniac and Unyilding?

[tame lodge]

Stability then ammo

Stopping power is damage

[fleet wagon]

whats the dump stat on axes?

[tame lodge]

Mobility

[loud flower]

What about a good combo for shovels? Never really played with any of them

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Skullcrusher

Trauma Skullcrusher

[unique orchid]

for the muni (my beloved) spam lights for single target, heavy for crowds

[loud flower]

Mobility as the dump, i assume?

[tame lodge]

Then memes like
Take a Swing+All or Nothing

Dump stats are usually Mobility, Defence or Collateral

[loud flower]

I guess the emperor wants me to do the meme

[severe zinc]

I’d have to check, but I’ll get back to here later and post images of my build

[loud flower]

Thanks, i am trying to diversify my builds

not only use shout

I am thinking of a executiners build with the helbore

still deciding of what purple to pick

[crude fiber]

is strenght the new power or is it a new buzz word

[last parcel]

power

[west arch]

What are some good blessings for the Vraks Mk V these days?

[gleaming zodiac]

rate my outfit out of 10

[idle swallow]

There's probably a better pick for the pants but it's not bad

[gleaming zodiac]

or should i change my pants

[heavy rover]

If you want to light spam hordes, decimator and skull crusher

[gleaming zodiac]

good point

[faint beacon]

Pants to the pure black version

And would look really good

[tame lodge]

Dumdum mandatory
Then Spitter or Frenzy

[loud flower]

goddman the base shovel is really fun to use

so fast

[tame lodge]

bonk SFX

Or should it be

clang SFX

[serene bough]

why did i just open my menu and get plasma mastery

[full nacelle]

cavalcade vs blaze away?

[flat pebble]

new mastery exp tuning

[serene bough]

oh was there a patch?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Apparently some stuff was calculated incorrectly

They went and fixed it

[loud flower]

Yeah, i also from yesterday today g ot the plasma and some ogryn weapon masterys

[tranquil bronze]

Am having way too much fun with the Bolter

[unique orchid]

bro oh my fucking god im dying - you can hit the crusher head hit-box from behind with one of the dueling swords, the mark 4 i think? with the frontward stabs

its funny as hell

[severe zinc]

[unique orchid]

you can do it to bulwarks as well it seems

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iKNEaZKv7mdJMGt3y/d13376O6CBgG?invite=cr-MSxPdDksMTA3NDAxNTczLA

I hate this thing so much man

It shouldn’t do this much damage

[unique orchid]

oh no aye its gross - but very funny

[severe zinc]

That’s filth

That sword is defo a chaos artifact

[unique orchid]

whats worse is i can proc uncanny by poking crushers in the spinal column, because i guess the hitbox extends through his torso into his face?

[vestal widget]

even reddit is getting on the "maybe we should nerf ds4" train lol

apparently that's the bar for people realizing pve needs balance and otherwise they need to spawn more crusher patrols if everyone can just one shot them all the time

[severe zinc]

Which will in turn ruin the game for people with enough dignity to not use the dueling sword

[vestal widget]

yeah my friend played thammer the other day

with surge void and ds4 in the game

they said they felt like a passenger

[bleak cradle]

Even when it was only on psyker it should have been nerfed. I shouldn’t be able to kill everything (besides monstrosity) in the ~same amount of time as a t hammer or branx pick

[vestal widget]

it was filthy damage on dd psyker before the patch, and the move tech also lets you kite everything to kill with your infinite ammo staff

[hollow ibex]

I hate the change to DS4. It was great and now everyone is out crying for blood 😭

[vestal widget]

> letting the blunts get their hands on it

[near abyss]

Best anti-horde melee?

[vestal widget]

what's in the horde?

probably rashad or ps6 or something

[near abyss]

the what

[vestal widget]

power sword mk6

[near abyss]

And anything besides that?

[uncut pebble]

Shock mauls are good.

Heavy swords, too.

[vestal widget]

depends what's in the horde.

heavy sword is good if it's not a ton of carapace

[near abyss]

Devil Claw any good?

[uncut pebble]

Dclaw is a defensive weapon, mainly.

Use it to parry a rager and instakill them.

Otherwise I wouldn't use it, especially with heavy swords now being available to vet.

[vestal widget]

it kills basic enemies pretty well and you can use parry spam to counter ragers aggroed on you

if you're good at parry (i'm bad), you can use it to fight bosses pretty well and i've seen zealot use parry well against crushers with it but that requires a bit of execution

shock maul is pretty good against hordes, not best but they do well enough. downside is that they have terrible boss damage so you need to make up for that elsewhere on your build.

[lucid radish]

Chainsword and bolter pistol weapon specialist is cooking, those commissars were onto something

[severe zinc]

Speaking of Commisars, the one in charge of the 53rd is going to become the new rannick me thinks

[arctic rampart]

So, dueling sword or

[severe zinc]

In what context?

[arctic rampart]

In this patch context

[orchid hemlock]

In YOUR MOM'S CONTEXT

Gotem

[arctic rampart]

The emp is my mom and my dad

Your heresy will not stand

[severe zinc]

[wise fossil]

They buffed the parry duration on Dclaws as well. The block extends a bit into the animation of the counter now

[atomic zephyr]

should i buy the new steel legion cosmetics

because on the one hand, pricey af

on the other hand, hnnnnnnnnnnnnng steel legion

[tame lodge]

You got like 6 weeks to decide lol

[atomic zephyr]

also what does the heavy sword special even do

[wise fossil]

IMO all the current cosmetic prices are exorbitant. I'm not paying $4.50 for a damn trinket lol

[wise fossil]

Has much better ADM than the heavy hits

Also you can spam it pretty easily with block cancels

[indigo edge]

I'm joining back into the game after awhile, what are the best blessings for a Helbore Mark 3?

[tame lodge]

High impact higher cara damage

On the mk9 you can special to get h1

[rose gale]

yay, finally got make every shot count

[sharp trail]

did you happen to change to a gasmask and are currently in the moebian steel mission

[fierce spoke]

Nice work, soldier! How'd you get that one done?

[candid agate]

damn i remember when it was 100% accuracy with all ammo used, and we always had survivalist back then lol

[rose gale]

just went on quickplay with a revolver, my dumbass went into damnation too instead of heresy

[balmy flume]

Gonna say 7/10, pants look a wee bit too “heavy” (probably the shin armour) but otherwise good combo.

[candid agate]

aint it private lobbies only?

or did they get rid of that

[rose gale]

if it is then it glitched and gave it to me anyway

[candid agate]

lucky

i had to exploit for it

[fierce spoke]

Dang you did a harder way. I cheaped out with Plasma, and assassination mission. I saw on a YouTube video that survivalist rounds don't void unless you switch back to ranged weapon

[wild summit]

what you all think is the best belssing for vraks?

[tame lodge]

Which one 😭

[last parcel]

[tame lodge]

Vraks used to be a headhunter (now vigilant)

I didn't really check

[wild summit]

what you mean which one?

i mean the one that used to be columnus

[uncut pebble]

We have no idea what weapon you're referring to, bro.

Fatshark renamed all 3 HH autoguns from "vraks headhunter" to 3 different things.

I think the mk7 became the graia, the mk9 became the agri, and the mk3 became the columnus.

[lean bloom]

Why did my builds disapear :c?

[uncut pebble]

Talent updates do that.

Even if they change like 1 thing.

[wild summit]

vraks MK V?

i am not sure either

the renaming confuses the hell outta me too

[topaz lance]

Okay, I am getting good at the double barreö exe stance build I cooked up now. I think I found my new main loadout.

[uncut pebble]

Oh the infantry models... yeah...

Columnus became vraks, for whatever reason.

[lean bloom]

:v

[wild summit]

yeah the gun that is still a damn beast

[lean bloom]

How tf does the update works my guns decreased points

[uncut pebble]

Can you explain a bit more? Are you referring to stat improvements?

[wild summit]

blessings

i am thinking of what are the best blessting for vraks MK5

[topaz lance]

dumdum deathspitter

[wild summit]

so i predicted dumdum

but not deathspitter

[topaz lance]

The gun is really good generally, blessings are just the icing

[wild summit]

yeah i noticed

i never changed anything about the gun

that thing still fucks

btw, why not sustained fire?

[lean bloom]

Does someone have a good build for plasma gun and power sword?

[tame lodge]

Something something FS math making Spitter has better damage than frenzy

[lean bloom]

a talent build

[tame lodge]

Vraks or columnus whatever is not good with burst fire

[wild summit]

oh wait so i gotta burst fire with it

nvm then

[tame lodge]

Yeah to reset the timer thingy

[wild summit]

that blows

so deathspitter it is 😄

[tame lodge]

Any of the salvos type blessing need burst fire

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ce286-9a69-4e48-8976-b6dd586b793e/shared-on-reddit

[lean bloom]

ty

[wild summit]

wait

what is not the old op columnus?

is it the columnus VIII or the vraks V

?

it is the vranks 5 iirc

[hearty panther]

man i thought i was going insane yesterday during a match

[tame lodge]

Vraks 5

[hearty panther]

but actually, no, you can no longer sprint + bayonet couch into a charge

you have to couch bayonet > sprint to make it a charge

very annoying

[wild summit]

real life when you hear "affix bayonette"

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

darktide when you hear "affix bayonette"

https://tenor.com/view/psycho-sunkna-gif-25658111

[gleaming zodiac]

thx alot

[wild summit]

on god, if you see a player in krieg gear

[gleaming zodiac]

i changed the colour tho

nowjacket and

[wild summit]

those mfs charge in with their damn gun

[gleaming zodiac]

pants are green

[tame lodge]

CLEAVE 🗣️

[balmy flume]

Eh, all the crap one gave up the game long ago because OMFG Y MY KRIEG GUY WITH BAYONET DIE SOLO AGAINST 12 RAGERS THIS GAME SUX.

[arctic rampart]

bayonet wasnt bad when it applied brutal momentum

[balmy flume]

True, but I am trying to emulate the Krieg Memeboi Fans here

[arctic rampart]

What's the plugin that crashes your game visiting the crafter

[wild summit]

i would love if bayonette actually were good melee

[tame lodge]

The damage and stagger are respectable

[flat pebble]

it is lol

[tame lodge]

They also proc agile engagement

[flat pebble]

unless you’re talking about the vertical swipe bayonet which is ass flavored ass

[tame lodge]

Hey, that one has respectable cleave

[flat pebble]

it’s just so slow

[tame lodge]

Welp can't argue with that

[flat pebble]

you can literally horde clear with the pokey bayonets and fend off multiple ragers

in comparison the heavy helbore’s bayonet struggles

that said you’ll get RSIs with the pokey bayonets spam but no one can have everything

[hearty panther]

no RSI for me yet

just a pile of corpses at my feet

and another pile between me and the effective range of my helbore

[tame lodge]

That's a concern for future me 🗣️

[severe zinc]

It balances it out because of just how much damage the heavy Hellebore is capable of doing

Btw someone wanted to know what my hellebore build looks like

[flat pebble]

ya i get that it gets nutty ohk bps

[severe zinc]

This was my baby even before the update

And my talents

[flat pebble]

i’d use it more if the swap speed wasn’t so slow

[flat pebble]

don’t the helbores have innate anti suppression? why take the talent

[fleet wagon]

what blessings for combat blade?

[flat pebble]

smack down haymaker

[hearty panther]

hell yea

(no)

[severe zinc]

I two hit crushers and maulers at full charge, and one hit everything else, even reapers and bulwarks with a shot to the head

[hearty panther]

smackdown stacks twice tho, it can be kinda legit

[tame lodge]

Yes

[severe zinc]

I did not know that, thank you so much

[flat pebble]

that’s a freed up talent point baybeeeeee

[trim steppe]

dump stat on bolt pistol mobility or collateral?

how important is collateral

[lunar sedge]

Never play damnation maelstrom on 1 AM, worst mistake in my life

[civic knot]

Does close order killzone give grenades extra damage as well?

[tawny badger]

I would imagine any damage buff that doesn’t specify the kind of damage also applies to grenades

like how uncanny strike is typically paired with throwing knives because uncanny doesn’t specify rending on melee weapons or whatever

[clear mist]

what perks shoud i aim for on an power sword?

[lunar sedge]

Bromentum + Power Cycler

[clear mist]

thanks

[lunar sedge]

There exist an alternative with sunder, i believe?

[civic knot]

sunder is objectively the better option, the overwhelming bulk of your damage is from power attacks, therefore infinite cleave (without having to kill the target on a weakspot hit) + higher heavy attack damage makes sunder a better choice than bromentum

@clear mist

[tall torrent]

Yes, it’s up to preference tho

BM clears horde much faster

[feral stratus]

I made a new character to play with friends and ngl, this would be really good if it was in any other stat

[tall torrent]

Sunder is safer vs elites

[civic knot]

what, by spamming normal attacks?

[tall torrent]

Without BM u kill 1~2 bruisers per energized swing

[civic knot]

Which is the bigger threat tho? Its just better to run sunder, elites are far more dangerous than hordes

[civic knot]

wasnt sunder infinite cleave?

[tall torrent]

It’s x4 cleave

[civic knot]

or did they change it?

[tall torrent]

But stagger also falls off through cleave

It’s safer vs ragers & maulers

Doesn’t matter that much for crushers

[civic knot]

Btw, anyone know the answer to this?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[civic knot]

ty

[tall torrent]

Well, bleed damage yes

Explosive damage I think no

[lunar sedge]

It ain't my thing to play power sword through heavy attacks. On mk6 Push-attack + light is already very powerful for elites, and block cancelling horizontal lights seems and feels much better

[tranquil bronze]

All I gotta do now is empower it

[near abyss]

Found Mario vet bros

[winter grove]

How to empower?

[tranquil bronze]

Max out weapon mastery level, then go to Hadron

[winter grove]

I see

[tranquil bronze]

Need mastery level 19 to empower to max 500

[supple stag]

Nice to see Sunder around in 40k, but where's Keening? The other Kagernac tool?

Bring them both to the heart Nerevar

[uncut pebble]

I wasn't replying to you, but what Dire said, dumdum deathspitter is good, but deathspitter fire frenzy is also good.

[near abyss]

Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong

[supple stag]

Real

[clear mist]

its stil surgical and hand cannon for the revoler right?

[ancient path]

what build do yall rock for bolt pistol? gotta level mines up to get that sweet sweet frag grenade spam

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/dagoth-ur-work-the-space-gif-26393856

[final locust]

hold up

[uncut pebble]

As far as Elder Scrolls villains go, he's pretty tame.

[toxic leaf]

for vigilant auto gun single shot, what blessings? running exec and makrsman stance, trying new shit these days

thinking HH and deadly accurate?

[ancient path]

thats definitely a take lol.

[winter grove]

That's just snog

He says wrong things

[gleaming zodiac]

so lads i changed the pants and jacket now how does it look?

[rotund pasture]

safe to assume defenses is dump stat for shovels? this worth investing in?

[flat pebble]

yeah that’s perfectly fine

[torn moat]

Depends on playstyle. HH and DA are both great picks. Some prefer Surgical over HH though

[flat pebble]

surgical + deadshot talent is nice on the single shot Vigilant because you can easily force every shot to crit

and now the left side keystone gives back stam on weakspot kills iirc

[ancient path]

kinda weird seeing puncture as a boltgun trait

[crystal bloom]

what blessings should I focus on while leveling the Boltgun?

[gritty mural]

pinning fire and shattering impact if you want to get rid of armor faster

if you dont want extra armor pen pick which ever blessing that sounds good to you

[austere mica]

Surgical, pinning fire, cavalcade, puncture

wUIGBewsoGNEIUNgowag iujGuin

wrong chat

[ancient path]

i just reaize i bought this bolt pistol on a whim because it sounded good.

oh man im cooking

thanks past guardsma'am

[west arch]

What are some good perks for a Vraks Mk V?

[mint talon]

any tips on the blessings for the Mk XIIIg Chainsword?

[west arch]

Perfect! Thank ya

[loud flower]

Funny enough, this is almost the same thing i came up with. Great minds think alike!

[final locust]

this mastery business is quite cool

also with the new weapons, how does that work

the renamed stuff

only says i can get 1 type of braced autogun

[tender rose]

you can change weapon marks

[final locust]

i see

thats cool

I like the mastery thing

[tender rose]

marks in upper right

[final locust]

only part of this update i hate is that it reset my builds so I had to do them again

doesnt seem like much changed from my last one for my vet

[severe zinc]

I swapped the suppression immunity for marksman for even more damage with Executioners stance

[severe zinc]

How do you like the hellebore?

[loud flower]

Also close to what i got

i just have flak instead of carapce

[final locust]

cant lie im not fussed over the latest stuff in the commodores vestures

[torn moat]

What perks for Bolt Pistol?

[final locust]

theres still a load of regiments they could do

[loud flower]

Since i am running krak i dont think i need more carapce damage

also a couple of headshots from the helbore ought to kill a crushers if need be

[loud flower]

I am holding my money for the Catachan set

[final locust]

Im waiting on a harakoni warhawks armour set

or a kasrkin one

[quasi socket]

....is vraks the old columnus?

for IAG's

[last parcel]

yes

[quasi socket]

go away for a few months and its all different lol

[loud flower]

We had a major patch on the 25th

[winter creek]

I haven't played vet since before they had purple talents lol

[gilded wraith]

Anything blue and above it's better to use the "Discard Items" option if it doesn't have a good stat distribution?

Greens sacrifice? Greys level to green and sacrifice?

[loud flower]

I belive not

Green or Golden, it will give the same amount of xp

[torn moat]

I think weapon Power level determines it's xp amount. But rarity doesn't matter as long as it's atleast green

[gilded wraith]

Awesome, masteries are getting to max relatively quickly.

Is it worth upgrading a grey to a green if it would be sacrificed to a non-matching weapon type?

[gritty zenith]

Whats the build for shubbel?

[wise fossil]

Which mark?

[slow spade]

some things never change 😎

[soft solstice]

question for people who run the double barrel, does fullbore still trigger if all the shots hit the same target but they also pierces through them and hit someone behind them?

[flat pebble]

yes

[lost sun]

can someone link me a left and right tree build of the veteran ? im being using las-man commisar for too long and kinda want to try st else, partly because i maxed out my recon las and wanted to swtich to other weapon and switch build too, i got the commisar plasma build on the darktide build site and my customized lasman build, i wanted to try out the other two abilities

[flat pebble]

don’t expect to proc fullbore often though

that spread is w i d e

[gritty zenith]

Agile engagement+Weapon master for basically any right tree build

Ideally paired with a large damage single shot type weapon

So shotgun, plasma etc

[gilded wraith]

are the event scriptures and grims in auric? Or only standard missions?

[fallen plinth]

both

[last parcel]

this icon

[gilded wraith]

Thanks.. haven't noticed one yet. Thank you both!

[low pagoda]

Somethint change in the vet talent tree or not ?

Something*

[heavy rover]

vanguard (20% decreased sprint cost) was replaced with 25% swap speed, executioner's stance now has the duration refresh as standard, marksman focus Tunnel Vision now also restore 10% stamina on weakspot kills

[tribal pelican]

whats up with plasma rifle not being able to shoot through agryn slab sheilds anymore? am i crazy? I dont see anything about it in patch notes

[pseudo fiber]

bug and/or nerf

[tribal pelican]

I mean it'd be a reasonable nerf but like nothing in patch notes is off

odd

[soft solstice]

vanguard was only like 20% decrease sprint cost, nice and fit the tree but I get why people iddn't use it much

[heavy rover]

oh woops, my bad, I'll correct it

[soft solstice]

the skill for the first 10% of your mag getting a crit boost also got buffed to 20%, and I think the extra damage after sprinting skill also gut buffed

[wise fossil]

The swap speed increase is nice though. Easily accessible by any build and widely useful

Helbores swap pretty slowly, for example

[tribal pelican]

OH fuck me side ways and upside down the update reset all my trees

[azure stream]

whats dumpstat for plasma? Upon looking ive heard ammo, charge rate, or thermal resist

[tribal pelican]

i have not played in months no idea what i was running lol

[soft solstice]

helbore and bolter I feel are still a tab bit slow but its much more manageable with it

[wise fossil]

Charge speed

It's definitely not ammo

[radiant chasm]

charge rate imo, thermal resist you can dump to 70%, and ammo esp with survivalist nerf is just always good

[soft solstice]

thermal or charge I think are fine to charge, I don't know how much of a difference 10/20% makes

[radiant chasm]

more max ammo means ammo regen gives you just a little more ammo

[wise fossil]

It also affects how much is in each pickup

[soft solstice]

thermal and charge just adds a tiny delay between shots but not too much, and there's blessings to deal with both of them, even if there's ones you'd probably want instead

[slow spade]

you should dump stat ammo

sponsored by Nurgle

[wise fossil]

The ammo pickups are based on total potential ammo in reserve, which is low for plasma due to it being half in the gun and half out

[azure stream]

true. I'm spending more time in my inventory at hadrons than in missions

[wise fossil]

So ammo ends up being important

[lean bloom]

Its true bolters come back?

[severe zinc]

I’ve got you if you’re looking for a kind of sniper build

This two shots crushers on L4 missions, and is capable of one shotting everything else, with other ogryns needing a headshot to kill with one hit

Incredibly conservative with ammo too

[flat pebble]

they were already fine with a good build but now they’re unambiguously good again

[fallen plinth]

bolt pistol is ass, boltgun is good

[flat pebble]

u try this without the suppression talent yet

[severe zinc]

Ignore the suppression immunity talent, it’s given by Hellebore anyways, I’ve replaced it with Marksman

[flat pebble]

it’s literally the same damage profile

since they reduced the sway and buffed the hitscan the bolt pistol is very usable

[fallen plinth]

yes it is usable now, but the other options are just better

[flat pebble]

that doesn’t mean it’s ass lol

[lean bloom]

Which ones are meta now?

[flat pebble]

wdym

[tame lodge]

We still trying to find the meta because some stuff changed

[lost sun]

Im not into helbore very much mechanic wisr but i will takr note of it

[tawny badger]

Rolling Steel
aka
If These Bitchass Shooters At The Power Cell Section Dont Come Down

[severe zinc]

I don’t fully blame you, it took me a long time to get out of the mindset of constantly looking down sights trying to counter fire at elites and ranged

The amount of times I’ve gotten knocked by a small, and very manageable group of basic melee heretics is too embarrassing to say

[tribal pelican]

so is charging plasma gun worth it in any situation now? or is it still a spray weapon after update

[flat pebble]

it’s been a nearly exclusively uncharged shot spam weapon for a while now

[tribal pelican]

I know im asking if that status quo has changed at all with the update

[slow spade]

the only uses for charging is increased wall pen and killing yourself at the end of missions

[severe gale]

it hasn’t, charged shots are almost never useful

[tribal pelican]

thats a massive shame always thought that was a waste of a mechanic, DT and VT are the most fun when you need to be making milisec to milisec decisions and the fact that there is never a reason to charge makes the weapon obverall less interesting

is blaze away + gets hot still king? or do any of the new blessings hold a candle to them?

[tawny badger]

wew

recon lasgun slaps on rolling steel

[slow spade]

Blaze Away + Rising Heat

unless you make some crit plasma

[tame lodge]

Weird interaction with flames on the psykhanium

Scab flames won't break your toughness

But dregs will

[trim steppe]

does the new -% heat gen blessing do anything good/interesting?

[wind spoke]

Question: Does Out for Blood mean toughness regen per kill is 10%? I assume yes, but just confirming.

[umbral nest]

Chainsword or Power Sword?

[flat pebble]

follow your heart

[tawny badger]

this baby can cut through so much shit on rolling steel

[terse gate]

Good yea?

[mortal orbit]

Very

[terse gate]

Lets gooo

was grinding for ever before the update

[mortal orbit]

Perks i use are 5% crit and unyielding

But flak + maniac is prolly bis

[patent slate]

so why is there only 1 infantry autogun for the vet now

[tawny badger]

they're merged, you can change the mark whenever now

[patent slate]

wait what

im confused

[mortal orbit]

U can change them up by editing the marks

[tawny badger]

in your inventory

you can change the version

top right, it will say marks

[patent slate]

holy shit wait thats crazy

[mortal orbit]

No more inventory bloat.

[terse gate]

Wait so how do i edit perks now

[tawny badger]

same as always, entreat hadron

[fierce spoke]

For Helbore perks. Is it better to have +% weakspot ranged damage, with Flak/Maniac
Or not have the weakspot damage perk

[terse gate]

gotcha

[tawny badger]

veteran already has several weakspot talents

[terse gate]

Sorry how do I access that new perks tab for weapons, thats what i meant

[tawny badger]

open inventory
select masteries tab

[terse gate]

Thank you

[fierce spoke]

I see your point. Flak and Maniac it is. Thank you

[radiant chasm]

weakspot damage perk calculates poorly

and is a lower value, armor perks will help you hit your breakpoints for things that are important

it is also just worse than 10% elites

elites, specialists, groaners/walkers and the armor perks all effect the entire hit

weakspot damage/crit damage only apply to the bonus damage from weakspot/crit, not the entire hit

[tawny badger]

not to mention flak and maniac damage buffs are huge compared to weakspot ranged damage

[torn gorge]

so the higher the innate weakspot modifier the better

HH7 comes in mind

[radiant chasm]

it is vraks

[torn gorge]

well whatever the name of that is now

[radiant chasm]

i have this saved

[sacred steeple]

What are some S tier weapons after the update? Haven't played vet in a minute

[fossil basalt]

yoink

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-handshake-meme-my-man-warhammer-gif-1789335409913780266

[radiant chasm]

nothing dramatically shifted in the meta, in fact i'd say plasma is a bit stronger now

[pseudo fiber]

minus the bulwark thing

[radiant chasm]

and everything is a bit stronger since it's really easy to craft perfect weapons

oh yea minus bulwark thing

[sacred steeple]

which one is the good accatran? I forgot

[radiant chasm]

does charged pierce the shield or not

[pseudo fiber]

Let me check

[radiant chasm]

they all got renamed

see list above

[sacred steeple]

they did NOT have to do that lol

[tame lodge]

We agree

[umbral wind]

did vets not get the evicerators

[pseudo fiber]

Nah

[tawny badger]

god no

[radiant chasm]

rip

[tribal pelican]

just did my first game since update and for some reason plasma felt a lot worse wus just coming here to ask if i was crazy

[radiant chasm]

plasma is worse vs bulwarks now

but with the new blessings

[tribal pelican]

its been a month or two since i played guess im just rusty

[radiant chasm]

you have a new power blessing

rn the tooltip in game is broken for it

[tawny badger]

plasma no longer opens up bulwarks I dont think

[radiant chasm]

it just says gain X% based on heat level

[tawny badger]

gain 20%, scaling with heat

[radiant chasm]

fatshark stealth nerfing revolvers by making agri the default

[tribal pelican]

no change in meta regarding reconlaz

[tough tiger]

never thought i would live to see the day plasma got nerfed

god bless

finally the vet addicts that leave the game after going down once have to consider using something else that requires aiming

[tawny badger]

recon lasgun

the train clearer 9000

[tough tiger]

true

recon las my beloved

[tawny badger]

public rolling steel players be like
"kill myself or let the train crash"

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-story-mode-story-mode-mcsm-choice-minecraft-story-mode-choice-gif-18173594355731282859

[tame lodge]

Too heavy for their nimble arms

[tribal pelican]

I feel like im insane i swear plasma rifle used to 1 shot body shot dreg gunmen, not like the dreg emchingunners

but like the normal dreg's with asult rifles

okay errrr it does 1 shot body shot but not 1 shot limb shot... never ran into that issue before in like 700 hours of play

have they changed limb hit boxes?

[trim steppe]

Not sure. I ran into that before the patch occasionally tho

[tribal pelican]

I noticed it like not even joking atleast 15-20 times last match idk I guess i am prob crazy and just never noriced

[trim steppe]

I noticed it more in the psych while testing stuff since it's sterile and easy to notice. In chaotic missions I'm just blastin so its not always clear where I'm hitting

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-guns-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-17984271

[tribal pelican]

god I wish they made bolt pistol worth useing such a iconic weapon but it still feels so awful

[timid basalt]

I hear melee vet is pretty fun, any talent builds people can share? I haven't looked at vet much prior so I don't know what I'm looking at the skill tree and just want to run a couple games before going to bed

[torn root]

does this finally mean i can max this?

without worry?

[livid citrus]

Indeed

[thin stone]

WOOOHOOO my recon lasgun is now a beauty

[torn root]

i know you can 2 shot a crusher in less than 1 sec without those nodes, never tried focusing on melee before

[thin stone]

How much health does a crusher have?

[torn root]

dont think i have ever checked but i know the values right above thier hp threshold gimmie a sec

3601 damage needed to kill one

[thin stone]

so 3600

[torn root]

yeah more than likely

i got 3601 damage for the combo so im legit just sitting right on the end

lmao

[timid basalt]

Tyty

[thorny fulcrum]

whats the best gun for vet rn besides bolter/plas?

[torn gorge]

idk if bolter is a best gun

tbh

[torn root]

IAG MK5 🙂

[tribal pelican]

is bolter even anywhere near the meta?

oop wrong reply sry

[torn root]

bolters feel good now

[torn gorge]

ye, the lowered sway helped a lot

same for bolt pistol

[torn root]

i can still do this tho so idk

gun gun be gunning

[thin stone]

What perks do you want on brauto?

[tribal pelican]

I want bolt psitol to be good now so bad

[stiff pasture]

my baby

[torn root]

i logged on for the 1st time since the update

[tranquil bronze]

At least Bolter is good now

[stiff pasture]

its perfect

[torn root]

why is the new bolter pistol at max?

is it max for everyone?

[tribal pelican]

max what?

[torn root]

used it literally 1 time

[stiff pasture]

combine it with a better bolter and i will kill everything between me and extraction

[torn root]

used it literally 1 time

oh wait its not the pistol im dumb

but i guess i did have most of the regular bolter blessings too, neat, no grind

[crude fiber]

Mine got maxed out when I maxed out the regular bolter

[torn root]

it was a mistake its at 0

just got confused

[craggy ridge]

Anyone given the Heavy Sword a go yet? Whats a good blessing combo for it?

[grizzled pebble]

Headtaker deathblow/rampage

[agile finch]

can anyone assist with setting up talents for a stealth raking fire setup

[frank ether]

does rampage open up any new relevant bps though? deathblow is basically brutal momentum, Idk if I'd drop that for rampage of all things

[hallow drift]

Is playing vet as a more passive ranged deleter still viable? What perks/weapons would you take for that kind of playstyle?

Got a buddy who's diving back in with the unlocked and loaded update

[grizzled pebble]

It's just another option. Less horde killing capability but potentially better damage in mixed horde if rampage is active and you hit elite. Personally I only use deathblow

[frank ether]

I think the new crit blessing for it might be solid

[earnest bone]

HSword has unique mechanic where the first two targets receive 100% damage

with Deathblow its 5

other weps are 1 and 4

respectively

[frank ether]

yeah, noticed its very much a blender against hordes, didn't knew it did %100 to first two though, very cool!

[earnest bone]

so rampage still strong, especially when people dont bother to aim

[tranquil bronze]

Lol... teammates overextends while holding a grim, dies, rage quits.

[earnest bone]

tho, i am now addicted to DS4 and probably will run that for (around) 2+ months

it feels so much better than knife

[frank ether]

I would run headtaker/slaughterer if that was an option probably

[earnest bone]

headtaker/slaughterer is just strongest generalist options

chainaxes has it and pickaxes

[frank ether]

I find that rampage and the other new blessings have a tad too strict timer/activation methods for me to transfer those bonuses into a tougher enemy or a boss

so I just build the weapon for blender purposes and that just boils down to deathblow ^w^

Can still one shot a rager with overhead though, very cool

[distant umbra]

what do you guys think about the mk4 chaxe?

[tribal pelican]

what blessings are people running on bolt pistol

[earnest bone]

strong generalist weapon

[torn gorge]

not really a generalist

its a chain axe lol

[frank ether]

chaxe is a great weapon all around but I find it a tad too slow for veteran movement wise

[earnest bone]

if used with melee specialist, +dodges and +25% attack speed feels like zealot

[tranquil bronze]

I think caxe is an overall good weapon for vet

[earnest bone]

Weapon Specialist*

[frank ether]

I strictly use it on zealot with the gapcloser

[earnest bone]

i wouldn't use chainaxe without WS tho

[frank ether]

yeah, I feel the same way about chainsword aswell

chaxe has comfier attack pattern though

chsword I'm just not a fan of the moveset

[tame lichen]

did the recon las get buffed or something? saw someone in my team delete everything with it

[frank ether]

hsword also has really slow attacks but thankfully moveset is comfy enough

figured it can be painful if you get hit it will interrupt your chain but it blenders enemies fast enough that I didn't feel it an issue

[hallow drift]

Inquisition just decided "We got a lot of these recon lasguns laying around in Brunt's storage. Clear em out" and gave them to everybody

Prolly has great synergy with some zealot talents

[last parcel]

2 months ago yeah

[hallow drift]

Oh that too I forgot

[tame lichen]

was definitely unusual

[twin kettle]

Which hellbore is the fast chargeing one?

[grizzled pebble]

I think it's the mk5 now

[bright fjord]

what's the dump stat for bolt pistol?

[torn gorge]

the weapon

[bright fjord]

does it not cleave now?

[torn gorge]

should go through some poxies ye

or at least 1

dump mobility on it

[quasi socket]

so once you achieve the 500 power stage (mastery 20), any weapon of that mastery type can be effectively leveled to 380?

as in 380 total stat value outside blessings/perks

[last parcel]

yes

[spark helm]

Figuring out a build using the Munitorum Mk I Sapper Shovel and Kantrael Mk VII Infantry Lasgun using enhanced versions of Shredder Frag Grenade, Survivalist, and Executioner's Stance.

I mostly wanted help with the melee and ranged weapon to figure out what are some easily safe combinations that can be spread nicely in whatever talent spread I want to actually use. Any genuine help on it would be nice. I'm just about nearly done with maxing out both weapon masteries and am already pretty familiar with the game. I just figured the minmax nerds might have some helpful information.

Deadly Accurate 4 and Headhunter 4 for the lasgun is freelo just solid bet/bis or something like that right? I got Decimator 4 and Skullcrusher 4 on the shovel. Both don't feel all that bad at all though idk how much max stats really matter in this game unless you're just that anal about maxing out stats.

[errant sable]

ds on vet are the ideal blessings/perks
flak
maniac

thrust
precog?

[last parcel]

what’s your plan when carapace shows up
id throw uncanny on the shovel (keep skullcrusher imo) and consider kraks for crusher packs and bosses
deadly accurate is overkill with exe imo. ghost is usuallythe replacement.

max stats dont matter when it’s like 77 vs 80, while for some things such as mobility the difference between 50 and 51 is losing a dodge (though that’s not rwally a max. the imporant ones are mentioned in the pinned ms word link to the wip vet guide

im not a minmaxxer thiugh so i eep

[thick wolf]

what are the reccommended perks and blessings for sawed off shotty

[last parcel]

flak, manstopper then up to you. guide in pins prob has some options listed

[spark helm]

Usually for this build, I genuinely just cycle my ult and burn them down with the lasgun when necessary if I'm doubling down on the shredder frag. Otherwise, for ease of approach, I'm already taking focus target stuff and krak grenades.

The alternative solution to the carapace thing back then when we only had subclasses was to just run the power sword.

[frail skiff]

What would y'all say is the dump stat for the Helbore?

[last parcel]

with an uncanny shovel you can push attack/light attack the face and it’ll die in like 5 hits or something (oh start with the special poke if you keep skullcrusher)
not as great as psword antiarmor but generally better than magdumping infantry las

[last parcel]

check ms word link in pinned messages for veteran guide. has info for that and others

[frail skiff]

Thanks

[spark helm]

What are weapon marks?

Just the different variants?

[last parcel]

variants of the weapon family

[spark helm]

I can just...switch the mark whenever I want?

[last parcel]

yeah

well not mid match

but yeah

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-dwight-schrute-sniper-gif-25130487

[wind schooner]

Wait the plasma doesn't have punchthrough on bulwark shields?

[smoky sparrow]

nope

[wind schooner]

When was the change?

[smoky sparrow]

last patch iirc

[wind schooner]

The crafting update?

[smoky sparrow]

i think so ye, i might be wrong

[wind schooner]

Where is it listed in the patch notes

[smoky sparrow]

yeah i checked again, mustve been an earlier patch

[topaz lance]

no, it was a stealth change in the current patch

[wind schooner]

💀

[deft crystal]

as a guardsman, carryiing 90% of the imperiiums battles and getting my credit stolen by space marine aint to bad

[smoky sparrow]

space marines need heroes too

[noble cove]

Hello, I just joined this discord, i'm having fun playing again after not playing for 2y.
I have a question for veteran players, in the skill branch, the middle branch there is a stat called "ciblage" in french, i guess it's "targeting" (marking ennemy add targeting, purple logo) i was wondering what does this mean can anyone help?

[smoky sparrow]

theres a button to tag specials and bosses

[umbral parrot]

Man....

I created the ultimate Bolt Pistol~!

[smoky sparrow]

your tag makes enemies take extra damage

[umbral parrot]

Crunch the numbers~! I can do 2k on head shots~! ! !!

[smoky sparrow]

also it turns yellow

i think its middle mouse button by default

[noble cove]

ty so it was what i tought, but how can it be cumulative ?

bc you only ping it once

[oblique orbit]

my powersword broke when swapping marks lmao

i doubt it actually has 100%

but its funny

[smoky sparrow]

when you pick the keystone ability by default you have 5 stacks, which makes them take 20% extra damage iirc, you can up that to 8 stacks for 32% extra damage

you dont need to spam the tag, its a maximum of 8 or 5 stacks

[noble cove]

ok thank you kind sir

[fresh mango]

what do yall using on your power sword? rampage or slaughterer?

[smoky sparrow]

bromentum and cycler, i will die on this hill

yes i know its suboptimal

[fresh mango]

bromentum really? Ill give that a try when i level up my blessings a bit more

[oblique orbit]

brutal momentum and power cycler is good for for mk 6 at least

[smoky sparrow]

slaughterer is probably better

[stark cedar]

anybody have a nice auric dam hellbore build i could look at thanks!

[oblique orbit]

mk6 is the light attack one and its optimal but mk3 uses something else

[smoky sparrow]

which one is the stabby one again?

i run it on the stabby one

[oblique orbit]

i thought they both poked

[fresh mango]

mk6 push attack

[smoky sparrow]

nah, one has a strikedown

[oblique orbit]

oh

i never even used the 3 lmao

im building one now though

[smoky sparrow]

the attacks are more horizontal, its a bit better at clearing hordes

[oblique orbit]

on 6 lights are super horizontal and on 3 the heavies are

[fresh mango]

have yall tried the bolter or bolt pistol yet btw?

bolter feels so much better now

[smoky sparrow]

bolter is way easier to aim now ye

havent tried the pistol yet

[thorn lark]

I tested bm + slaughterer spree yesterday. I am glad I had the crit mod to check when it proced. Not that much I fear... Maybe it was because I was on a momentum build and relying on scourge+chastise... Or maybe it does not play well with my pa+H1 loop (unlike aon).

[thorn lark]

Bolter yes. It was my main weapon on zealot and vet for a year and half. All my training is paying off now

[balmy flume]

Ran Bolt Pistol pre-update.
Might do a Bolter build if it has gotten much better now.

[fresh mango]

what build did you use for bolt pistol.?

[winter creek]

bolter feels really good

[balmy flume]

Hang on let me find the post I made some time ago…

[near abyss]

True. Conducting a continent-wide slaughter isn't impressive when everyone else is aminig to undo the entire world

[balmy flume]

Pardon the bad quality phone shot (because I cannot be assed to window jump)
Yes is from pre-update.

IIRC I swapped out perks for Flak/Maniac

As one does

[fresh mango]

Interesting, I’d probably swap the +unarmored enemies for Flak

yeah

[balmy flume]

Update has made this a beast, considering the stat spread.

[fresh mango]

Good to hear, i remember trying to use it and it just did not feel good at all

[somber axle]

ohmygosh

the update lets you pick anything you want and there's still people running lacerate + flesh tearer silliness

[last parcel]

y y y yeah who would do that

[uncut pebble]

Pubbers are dumb.

[glad kite]

whats the dump stat on plasma

[smoky sparrow]

thermal resistance

[wet ether]

oi fellas best gun for stealth vet

[smoky sparrow]

revolver

[wet ether]

why the revolver?

[smoky sparrow]

weapon specialist synergizes REALLY well with the revolver

also its just a nice 1shot weapon to kill some of the more annoying enemies

[wet ether]

i dont use the vet keystones

[smoky sparrow]

my condolences

you should re-evaluate

[wet ether]

any other good weapons for a stealth vet?

[smoky sparrow]

knife or dueling sword works really well

if you mean ranged, double barrel is cool too

[wet ether]

what about helbore?

[frail skiff]

Like a sneaky sniper build?

[wet ether]

yes

[frail skiff]

I can't vouch for it since I generally take exe stance when I take helbore

[wet ether]

so how good is the lasgun exactly?

[frail skiff]

The standard infantry lasgun?

[umbral scaffold]

does alright, though the blessings are kinda eh

compared to what other guns have atleast

[frail skiff]

You can pull off some funny things with the Mk VId recon las if built right

[umbral scaffold]

its the mk II now i believe

it got renamed

most weapons did

[frail skiff]

Huh, it's still called Mk VId for some reason on my screen

[wet ether]

infantry lasgun

i mean

[frail skiff]

Recon MK XII then

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[smoky sparrow]

infanty lasgun is probably the weakst of the bunch

[umbral scaffold]

nah it does alright

[wet ether]

serious was it nerfed that hard?

[smoky sparrow]

its just underwhelming considering the firerate

[frail skiff]

Which MK is considered the best now?

[umbral scaffold]

one of them fires super fast idk what you mean

esp with full auto mod

[smoky sparrow]

recon fires faster, has higher dps, helbore fires slower has higher dps

[umbral scaffold]

dont need to click 1000 times