veteran-class

[lost sun]

i wanted to do long bomb penance which mission should i go and try it ?
they way i see it i have to throw a grenade and it had to kill something without touching the floor ?

[frail skiff]

Ain't she purdy?

[tough tiger]

i did it on hl 70-04 mercantile

final event where u can funnel enemies

just throw it while standing all the way back

[last parcel]

reminds me of a tacticool m14

[frail skiff]

Feels like one with more ammo and friggen laser beams

[glad kite]

fun..

even with the +5% damage i do the same amount of damage?

the 1st pic is without fire team

2nd pic is with fire team

[last parcel]

do you have the 5% ranged damage travel node above survivalist in both

[glad kite]

yes

[frank basin]

did someone said charge rate is a dumpstats for plasma?

[placid portal]

Damn las MG12 really fell off, mla and mk4 feel much better 😔

[thick rose]

you just spam light attacks right? sooooo

[frank basin]

If light attack is a meta

Perhaps it is

Those cat pfp told light attack like better

Than charge up

Because charge up are slow and spit more heat

[thick rose]

I gotta admit I dont use the plasma

[frank basin]

what you use?

[thick rose]

autoguns or revolver

[frank basin]

What kind autogun

[thick rose]

I like the agrip but I think people believe the columnus is better?

[frank basin]

🤝

Oh

You means infantry

Or braced?

[thick rose]

braced is fun too

[frank basin]

I run graia brace

Funny rpm boost

[thick rose]

I kinda use the agrip infantry like its braced anyway

just zoom around hipshooting. I just like being able to snipe longer threats becasue I only solo queue

[frank basin]

Braced mod?

[thick rose]

not sure what you are asking

[frank basin]

There is old mod for Braced revolver before agripinna revolver add in

It also show case brace other weapon too

As future feature

(Mod called “High noon”)

[wind schooner]

Is it still power cycler/sunder for mk3?

[kind hull]

Hi ! With all the builds being resetted, would you have something fun to suggest ? Preferably something not using Plasma or Bolt Gun

[flat crypt]

They are awesome 😉 just have to choose if you want a single-target heavy hitter, horde clearer or a warcrime boomstick. (Also check dm for some hh autogun stuff)

[coarse orbit]

Apologies to bother: but for plasma gun blessing, what does “rising heat” provide for scaling? Like 5-20% more strength? Or…?

It just cuts off at the percentage and doesn’t explain what it scales off of from heat level

Nvm, I’m dumb. It’s strength.

[tame void]

uhm, servers okay?

[cedar harness]

This reminds me of the MW2 m14 EBR

But bulkier

[misty lance]

do you guys have cool builds with bolter pistol

or do you think this is just worse boltgun?

im just curious

on what field is it better

[barren light]

GUYS WHY IS THE BOLTER RECOILESS

I LITERALLY CLEARED THE NEW MISSION WITH IT AND IT SHREDDS

[magic trout]

Bolt pitol is very versatile in fact
You can use as a sniper or close combat demolisher

[magic trout]

Because after many months finally recieved a buff, to the recoil, it was lowered.

[barren light]

DAMN BRO

ITS LIKE THE GAVE IT THE KRISS VECTOR TREATMENT

[magic trout]

I use headshot perk and is youwil feel that you are using a lasgun 🔥

But now they explode

[barren light]

HADRON WAS COOKIN

FR FR

[topaz lance]

what's a good setup for the tac axes?

been using Agile and BM, feels okay-ish

[pliant spire]

Ok fellas, name you top 4 crafts you made on this class. Two melee and two ranged with dump stats.

[near abyss]

What does collateral stat on Recon lasgun do?

[flat crypt]

stagger

[near abyss]

I see, there is an inspect button with tooltips

Cheers

[tame lodge]

Side grade

Like

It's a bolter

That is easier to swap to

But doesn't have all the ammo nor full auto

Oh just search Grenadier on this channel and you'll find a Bistol build lmao

[meager topaz]

Whats the best blessings for the shotguns?

[flat crypt]

What shotty you have in mind?

[meager topaz]

MK 7

[flat crypt]

Slug version? Full bore is very nice

Second blessing is more of a personal preference imo. I like fire frenzy

[coarse orbit]

No respite also compliments the blessing as welll

[meager topaz]

ok Ill use those

no need to hold back since its easy to re bless weapons

[flat crypt]

indeed

[river pawn]

Got a catachan mk III combat blade here, everything at 80% except mobility, is this an ok dump stat compared to the rest?

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah that's perfect

[sterile garnet]

Mobility and defences are the dumpstats on most weapons

[river pawn]

Also running a vraks mk V autogun.
Dump stat is ammo with everything at 80, haven't maxxed it out i just hope ammo economy isn't gonna let me down

[sterile garnet]

In fact, high mobility can be a detriment on knife

It can lead to you dodging off of ledges lmao

[river pawn]

lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Pre update I'd say ammo can be a dump stat post update uhhh you can reroll for a better one

[coarse orbit]

I wish stat allocation was a thing for the new crafting, but tbh I’m just glad that it’s finally a thing now

[river pawn]

got one here with 80 dmg, mob, ammo.
73 stopping power
67 stability
these are max

i should roll for less mobility

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

Again the new system makes it piss easy

[river pawn]

oh yeah glad i saved one here, everything at 80 and 60 mobility max

forgot i had this one

[thin stone]

Damn now everyone has good weapons

This is a W

[flat crypt]

Aye, less grinding, more playing and testing wild ideas

[pseudo fiber]

I bought 5 dueling swords on vet and got one it's so easyyyy

[thin stone]

Ye

Wait, vet got dueling swords?

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

And heavy sword

[thin stone]

Dayum

[coarse orbit]

Enjoy it while you can, they’re probably gonna nerf it lol

[pseudo fiber]

Psyker got chain axe
Psyker got shotgun
Zealot recon lasgun

What was the other one?

[thin stone]

Pog

[river pawn]

still some server issues it seems, couldn't swap this gun's mk

[tame lodge]

Psykers Brauto go hard

[fossil basalt]

Psyker Brauto were a pairing meant to be

[oblique totem]

Work prevents me from playing the game.

Afterwards, the game's own programming will prevent me from playing.

[fleet garden]

just play when you sleep smh

[lost sun]

huh .... i dont even know how i did it but i did it ? through sheer luck

[wild summit]

question guys

is there any vet weapon that carries over buffs?

thinking of a way to make the weapon specialist that much better

which is why i am looking for weapons that make the other weapon stronger and vice versa by buffs or the such

i mean the msot obvious ones are the revolver and bolt pistol

but i wonder if timed buffs carry over to other weapons

[tropic notch]

That one crit perk of the assault shotgun

[cedar harness]

I had the same reaction lmao. When this penance popped up i was just as surprised, didn't even realize i didn't take any melee damage

[wild summit]

also, las carbine when

[pliant spire]

Anyone tested new blessings on hellbore?

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

Mk1. Is still best

And the brittleness blessing is actually a lot better

Removes the need for rending perk for builds

And since you go surgical with it, can make you near 2 shot a crusher

[pliant spire]

Hot shot any good?

[red robin]

Experiment with it

I kinda want to demo marksmen focus on it

[thick needle]

What's the best Vigilant Autogun rn

[tame lodge]

Meme material

Like it makes your 3 cleave into 4.5

[red robin]

Oooo

It’s 50%

I honestly thought it was +50

[tame lodge]

Yeah not 50 cleave lmao

[red robin]

I was like, bro just make it infinite cleave

[tame lodge]

Fatshark tooltip momento

[red robin]

How noticeable is 3 to 4.5?

[tame lodge]

Pair hotshot with the Marksman red node and you get 5.4

[red robin]

Any of the three hellbores differ in cleave value or is it all the same

[tame lodge]

All the same on the shots

[red robin]

Oyes

Blue las time

We trolling out here

[tame lodge]

5 groaners (1 mass each)
4 walkers (1,25)
3 shotgunners (2)
2 dreg bruisers (2,5)
2 scab bruisers (3,5)
2 gunners/dreg ragers (4)

But like

How often the important targets line up

And helbores don't have a quick draw speed like a certain revolver to kill that one trapper if you're inside a horde

However

If it applies to the bayo

It gets funky

So meme material

Hmmm
No Respite Hotshot bayo meta?

[frozen onyx]

Hello. I’m fresh off a pure melee zealot and an assail psyker so I want to play a build that just fires its gun (not revolver) and doesn’t have to stress about melee as much.

I’m pretty sure shout is gonna be my ability but does anyone have any suggestions on other really important nodes or a build to complement a simple run and gun playstyle?

[pallid dew]

Finally back into this game once again

Is the double bararel still viable?

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[queen chasm]

guys are 100% weapons real?

[cedar harness]

@tame lodge For Infantry Autoguns, especially the rapid firing mark, what is a good blessing to pair with dum dum?

I use raking fire for now

[old prism]

Hey there fellas, a quick ps

hotshot works on your melee weapon

[tame lodge]

Yes dum dum is a must

[old prism]

enjoy

[thick needle]

I usually take Deathspitter or Stripped Down

[old prism]

try hotshot helbore with mk6 knife and swipe at heads

[cedar harness]

Is this intentional?

Damn

[old prism]

no it is not lol

[cedar harness]

Kinda wanna try that

BRUH

[tame lodge]

Listen mate
To not die as a vet you will have to use your melee as often as your ranged
So stack crit, get a recon and the Shock Trooper talent aim for the head and hold the trigger

[old prism]

let me know when you tried it

[cedar harness]

Imma be honest

I have never touched any other lasgun asides the recon lasgun ever since i started playing Darktide

[old prism]

fair

it is not actually even about helbore lol

[cedar harness]

Wait

[old prism]

you don't even need to pull it out

[cedar harness]

That implies i can put it on the Recon Lasgun

OH

Nvm

[old prism]

recon doesnt have it

[cedar harness]

Yeah, the point is to put that blessing on Helbore

Then swipe at people's heads with a knife

Yes?

Perfectly functioning as designed

[old prism]

yes

[cedar harness]

I'll try this then

Thanks

I'll probably put on stripped down since it just gives my vet some looney tunes bullet dodging mechanic

[thick needle]

I'm terrible at stamina management so I usually just take Deathspitter for the bonus damage

[cedar harness]

Isn't there a skill that basically regens your stamina if you successfully dodged ranged attacks?

[thick needle]

Ye but it's on the specialist tree

Bad for autoguns

[cedar harness]

Hoo...

What does Deathspitter do again?

Bonus damage on kill?

[topaz lance]

Interetingly this is what I use on the double barrel, but I'm not 100% sure about deathspitter

[thick needle]

+6. 5% Strength for 5s on Close Range kill

Naturally, it's a better fit for the Agrippina IA because of the higher damage per shot

[cedar harness]

Hmm

Im using the... Vraks i believe

the rapid fire one

[thick needle]

Vraks was the weakest iirc

[pliant heron]

morining comrades / strangers quik question: best meele weapon for shtf situations ( im playing as a LMG-gunner type veteran)

[thick needle]

Columnus and Agrippina were the two pillars of the IA

[thick needle]

Mk13 Chainsword

[pliant heron]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-thanks-for-sharing-sharing-meme-share-gif-1619177373202560150

[pseudo fiber]

Rashad axe
Shock maul
Chainsword as saul mentioned
Shovel can't go wrong with shovel

[pliant heron]

need to grind better chainsword ok im killing chaos again

[thick needle]

Mk13 chainsword is the best for "I'm getting mobbed" situations because it's got high damage, versatile armor pen, good clear and just uses m1s

[toxic leaf]

it depends on the tree you have. with no melee talents, its ps6 or shovel imo

with melee talents, rashad or heavy sword

special shoutout to dueling sword because that is very strong if the shit that is hitting the fan involves a lot of armor

[cedar harness]

Well that didn't take long

LOL

[tame lodge]

Columnus is Vraks now

[tall torrent]

Knife

If ur goal is to make a clutch from a bad spot knife is one of if not the best option

[thick needle]

Wait then what's the Columnus

[tall torrent]

Columnus mk5 -> Vraks mk5
Graia mk8 -> Columnus mk8

[thick needle]

wh
Why

[last parcel]

because fuck you

[orchid hemlock]

They did it because the model names didn't line up between the headhunter and braced variants

[glad kite]

but yeh the +5% damage thing doesnt work

even not taking the range damage it should still increase your damage by 5%

unless it's adding 5% to something other than my gun

[hearty panther]

did you see Falter changed

no idea if it scores new stagger BPs for it

[faint beacon]

I’m willing to test this for paths sanity when I’m home cause he refuses to touch Falter

Me on the other hand I live for gimmicks

[rotund pasture]

what blessings/perks do I want on a shredder these days? this is what i've got rn but I haven't played for months

should I get powderburn?

[hearty panther]

hopefully it does something now cause falter did exactly nothing before lol

shredder has options

its only good for suppression and for killing maniac armor types

you can put inspiring barrage on it so that it's a pocket toughness generator

otherwise pinning fire is usually what you want

[rotund pasture]

gotcha, thanks

[grand perch]

ive just tested it, works fine with my boltpistol

without fire team

with fire team

[glad kite]

the fuck

[serene bough]

how2build shockmaul

[glad kite]

nice chest shot doing nothing

[faint beacon]

You not aiming at the head?

[glad kite]

its a bolt gun

[last parcel]

which gets a lot of extra damage from headshots

[glad kite]

other guns 1 shot to the body

[faint beacon]

Plasma is the only weapon I can genuinely think that 1 shots on body

That or shotgun if all pellets connect

[pseudo fiber]

Both barrels full bore db

[red robin]

dump stat on double barrel?

mobility i assume?

[tall torrent]

[wet ether]

Hey fellas did vet get any new passives?

[trim hemlock]

Skills wise - there is a skill in top right corner of the tree that has replaced Vanguard (-20% sprint cost) - it reduces swap speed by 25% instead.

[viral nacelle]

man the diff between exe stance and voc is like going from auric damn to sedition

[wet ether]

Shame I kinda enjoyed vanguard

[viral nacelle]

idk why they have to make exe so bad

or voc so busted

[willow talon]

dueling sword + bolter pistol, Shout+right tree is pretty insane, holy.

[tame lodge]

Exec is better than ever now lol

[viral nacelle]

its still worse than voc by a lot

[candid agate]

maybe make executioner stance damage apply to melee weapons as well?

[viral nacelle]

"better than ever" doesnt mean much when its still super bad

[tame lodge]

It means a lot when it goes from detrimental to usable

[viral nacelle]

I would call the current state just barely useable if even

Maybe for the poop sock elite it can be doable in auric mael

[tame lodge]

Then it's usable

[viral nacelle]

“Pick rate is under 1% but good enough!”

[tame lodge]

Don't be that kind of guy

[viral nacelle]

I mean you seem like the captain of terrible takes so I’m gonna pass on further convo

[tame lodge]

We tried to convince someone that flamer was good but all he could think that it wasn't popular

Don't be that kind

[hearty panther]

Anyone using VoC as a balance benchmark doesn't get to have an opinion

[candid agate]

perhaps make the stagger a bit less and reduce the gold toughness to 30?

so its usable still but not broken like it is now

[viral nacelle]

Voc is busted and needs to be tuned down can exist in the same brain as exe stance sucking and needing buffs

I mean unless you’re operating with a single shared neuron ogryn style and then ok I get it 🤷‍♀️

[hearty panther]

That's not really true though because you could roll every side node into Xstance and give it full toughness recovery on use and it'd still be dogshit compared to a VoC with twice the cooldown

[ancient path]

how much does the bolter really benefit from executioner's stance?

[viral nacelle]

Yes

That sorta is exactly the problem

[candid agate]

constant toughness regeneration would be cool

[hearty panther]

VoC is broken in Vets current kit. It's far too safe. But XStance is still a very potent ability if you have any capacity for foresight or positioning.

[ancient path]

executioner stance really could benefit from full reload your gun again lol

but VoC is definitely a crutch ability thats extremely, extremely good

[hearty panther]

That you get one extra talent point to spend going through it is pretty big. But it will never come close to VoC.

[viral nacelle]

I mean in auric mael you’d need to be a poop sock elite soloer to use it while any idiot can go thru with voc

[hearty panther]

What the fuck are these words, dude.

[viral nacelle]

That points to the skill floor being too high

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/you-made-those-words-up-soldier-boy-jensen-ackles-the-boys-blasphemy-gif-26043524

[viral nacelle]

Google them, they all have meaning

[tall torrent]

Well yes cuz exe stance has 2 bad talent taxes in front
Meanwhile VoC gets grenade regen

[wet ether]

That sounds like to much work those

[hearty panther]

In an ideal world current XStance would be where VoC sits. Instead VoC stands entirely alone for reasons that aren't all explicitly VoC related.

Veteran has had three reworks and still needs another

[tall torrent]

The path-leading-up-to-ability part needs some tweaking

[hearty panther]

Put Kill Zone and Opening Salvo over VoC

[faint beacon]

I’m just saying

You guys are sleeping on Exe + MF tunnel vision

[red robin]

unreal damage

[faint beacon]

Click on heads for free toughness and stamina generation

[slow spade]

Imagine needing Exe to kill Revolver gang UwU

[tall torrent]

I’d rather have a unified approach to grenade regen where u will have it regardless of ability chosen

[viral nacelle]

That would help a ton. Its weird that exe stance lives in the tree with tons of damage perks when it’s the damage F and needs to constantly dip over for the survival perks

[hearty panther]

Most people do sleep on XStance but most people are also not that good at the game so having a zero commitment full toughness regen knockback ult that also lets you take 2-3 other additional free hits is just going to take the cake.

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate & exe stance having to pay 2 point tax for stockpile is so not worth

[ancient path]

this is precisely why ive been playing executioner stance lately.

[faint beacon]

Honestly the only thing I want changed is a nerf on VOC and Marksman Focus keystone to have a synergy with melee

[kind hull]

If I were to go for a crit build on Veteran, what's a good melee weapon ? Knife ?

[ancient path]

i noticed im kinda ass w/o it

[faint beacon]

Like I beg of them to make melee Weakspot kills either refresh or give stacks

[slow spade]

Knife is my go-to

[ancient path]

personally i pick weapons that compliment my gun choice. if your crit, youre revolver?

[hearty panther]

that you can swap out of XStance and not lose it tho is huge

[ancient path]

if im like revolver im going mace or sword

[hearty panther]

thats been long overdue

[kind hull]

I want to try Recon Lasgun with Infernus Crit

[ancient path]

but if youre recon las, i'd go something like knife

[faint beacon]

Knife or DS

Gun: DB or Revolver

[tall torrent]

Nah just make it so
U have 10 stacks of focus by default
Non-weakspot hits drop focus
Weakspot kills gain focus

[slow spade]

Knife

[faint beacon]

Path I want to be able to mentally inflate my ego cause I barely ever miss Weakspot kills

[tame lodge]

Free finesse

[tall torrent]

Then u don’t lose focus therefore you have permanent max finesse bonus

[ancient path]

i dont know if recon las is still shite against crushers / bulwarks but you want something to take care of those guys if youre not playing krak grenade

[slow spade]

Recon got heavily buffed its now good vs carapace

[faint beacon]

There’s a certain build where recon las drops 6 crushers in one mag

It’s not shit

[ancient path]

ooooh

[tame lodge]

Onslaught is what you need

[viral nacelle]

Also bleed grenade has a lot less utility than krak

[ancient path]

hell yeah

[faint beacon]

It’s a solid A tier gun imo

[slow spade]

Don't tempt them

[tall torrent]

That’s just not true

[faint beacon]

They don’t know about how insane Vigilant Rifles are (HHAs for you old heads like me)

[tame lodge]

[ancient path]

i do not, no. i just returned (kind of again) lol

so im relearning

[tame lodge]

Bro's sleeping on frag grenades

[hearty panther]

im having way too much fun with the recon xiv on Psyker

[ancient path]

hows dueling swords on vets?

[hearty panther]

once you hit 4+ cleave on that thing it turns dirty

theyre dueling swords and you have eighty finesse bonuses. DSword is what you'd expect

[slow spade]

Overkill at what it does

[heavy rover]

Now that they've added stamina regen to Tunnel Vision modifier for Marksman Focus, I've been going crazy with deadshot on the recon lasgun. Ammo efficiency is insane lol

[ancient path]

neat.

and finesse is weakspot damage on a melee weapon, right?

[slow spade]

Dueling sword has poor horde clear sadly

[viral nacelle]

blowing up a mob of crusher > horde control

[slow spade]

And crit

[ancient path]

nice. ty

[hearty panther]

Finesse is crit, headshot, and crit headshot

[tall torrent]

Blow up 40+ ragers in 3 seconds > blow up 2 crushers

[slow spade]

Np c:

[ancient path]

so many things to try right at the time im getting tired of helldivers 2 again

[viral nacelle]

I’m sure there’s good bleed builds that can really use the bleed nade but krak is general purpose

[heavy rover]

marksman focus is on ranged weapons only though

[hearty panther]

two shredders solves most problems alone

[faint beacon]

Vigilant rifles with a god roll literally drop anything pathetically quickly though they’re Semi or Burst and require you to hit headshots to be effective

[hearty panther]

depending on your loadout Kraks aren't bringing you anything new

[slow spade]

Shredder buys time which is more valuable than any damage a krak can do

[ancient path]

id love to try them out. whats your prefered b lessings?

[slow spade]

Headhunter and idk lol

[hearty panther]

UGH my work alarm. I just wanna slay heretics

[viral nacelle]

Yeah that’s fair it’s loadout dependent, I just think there are more loadouts overall that benefit from krak and exe stance is designed to lean into those loadouts

[slow spade]

Headhunter is critical though

[ancient path]

haha fair.

ill try them out when i get home. ive been trying to get comfortable w/ executioner stance and a bolter build. feels kinda launch day vet and comfy

though i def can tell my time with voc has rotted my brain

[faint beacon]

Headhunter + Deadly Accurate on the 3 round

2 round burst can do either Headhunter/Surgical + Deadly Accurate

Semi does Surgical + Deadly Accurate

[slow spade]

VoC has literally everything going for it so its hard to not use it

[ancient path]

yeah haha

[faint beacon]

Which is why it needs some sort of nerf

[ancient path]

Thank you! Cant wait to try it out

[faint beacon]

Truly hit a new low when I’m enjoying the weakest ability and keystone on vet

Exe + MF

[viral nacelle]

Being able to toughness regen constantly while splitting off for objectives is already huge for voc

[slow spade]

VoC should be back to its old form of +100 yellow toughness UwU

[ancient path]

is exe the weakest? thats unfortunate

[viral nacelle]

Which one is MF?

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iqGAqYZrwsxo-_dGh/d1337yBJEHPC?invite=cr-MSxMNTEsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Marksman focus

[tall torrent]

Nerf gold toughness amount to 10
Nerf gold toughness duration to 8s
Nerf Tac awareness to 15%/specialist kill, can proc up to 3 times between ability uses

[red robin]

infiltrate is pure utility and panic button

[faint beacon]

Click on head get stacks

Wish it did with melee

[slow spade]

It got a heavy nerf when they added the new talent tree and it just never recovered

[ancient path]

the hell. how does this work? lmfao

[tall torrent]

Lethal proximity boosts explosion radius by 25%

[faint beacon]

Lethal Proximity on Boltpistol

Called me and path up to some shenanigans

[ancient path]

i LOVE playing with frag grenade spam so uhhh

👀

[tall torrent]

Paired with tinkerer this gives u ~15m explosion radius on frag grenades

[faint beacon]

It’s literally the meta grenadier build

[tall torrent]

You basically get to use ogryn nukes
every minute

[slow spade]

Grenade Tinkerer + Bolt Pistol is the Ogryn frag bomb lite

[ancient path]

😩

[faint beacon]

Like it’s the BEST grenadier build lmao

[tall torrent]

Nah

[ancient path]

god i hate that im at work rn

i wanna play lmfao

[tall torrent]

It’s the ogryn frag bomb upgraded version

[slow spade]

Blocked for disagreeing

[faint beacon]

I’m just working solo shift

[slow spade]

My damage :c

[faint beacon]

So here I am

[tall torrent]

U get to use them every minute instead of relying on RNG pickups

[faint beacon]

Talking In vet chat cause it’s dead

[tall torrent]

Gale casually dropping 5 grenades in the first horde in HISTG and farming 50k more damage than everybody else:

[faint beacon]

• Demo team

Nuke a special

Get more nukes

Lmao

[tame lodge]

Speaking of ogryn frag
I have to test the buff to Big boom and the new Paul blessing

[viral nacelle]

Yeah I was going exe + MF earlier today. Went back to voc after a few bad runs that caused me to steadily dip more and more into middle tree for all the stuff I was missing. + I was tryna make it work with the kantrael vii

[faint beacon]

Holy shit please do

I want to find a purpose for that blessing

I love dumb gimmicks like that

[heavy rover]

paul?

[faint beacon]

Yeah the a

[red robin]

dump stat on parry sword?

[faint beacon]

Fuck new one

[heavy rover]

oh that one

[candid agate]

you should have a few seconds of fire invulnrebility after being revived

[faint beacon]

Double explosion on armored enemies and 25% explosion radius

Passive 24/7

[candid agate]

it happens too many times i get revived and die immediatelyt from fire

[faint beacon]

Wait Higui

It clicked to me if it’s also passive

Test with the Rumbler

[tame lodge]

Well I won't be darktiding for the next 3 hours

[faint beacon]

Sooner than me

6 hours

[tame lodge]

Lol

[faint beacon]

I’m simply dumping the info into Ogryn chat to see if any of them want to test it for us before we actually have time to do it

[tame lodge]

Ooh that would be great

[sharp trail]

wondering what perks and blessings i'd want the on mk12 chaxe now, heard about the PA - light dreg rager 2-shot

[flat pebble]

@radiant chasm

and now we wait on the chaxe guru

[radiant chasm]

Im half asleep but

[hearty panther]

maniac unyielding, headtaker slaughterer

[radiant chasm]

For mk12 i prefer ht thrust or slaught thrust

If you want headtaker slaughterer i just recommend mk4 over mk12

[flat pebble]

thanks ferret person

[forest maple]

headtaker slaughterer is an insane combination of power for a single weapon type. No idea why they gave chainaxes both

[radiant chasm]

Because chain axes used to suck

[hearty panther]

yea it used to really need both to do much of anything

[radiant chasm]

Like i cannot understate how shit chain axes were during the first metas of the game

[hearty panther]

i dont believe thrust is necessary for anything currently

[forest maple]

I remember the first iteration of the chainaxe. Was literally unusable. was it like, 1-2 seconds stun lock?

[hearty panther]

for vet especially

[radiant chasm]

It was a harsh stun lock that you couldnt cancel out of like today

[forest maple]

felt like i was underwater trying flail my arms

[hearty panther]

yea the light attacks uses to lock on for longer and they used to 'slip' so you'd lose half your damage after a certain power value

[radiant chasm]

It also did 40% less maniac damage on the heavy sweeps (mk4 was the og) and were slower to come out and use

[flat pebble]

I mean the chaxe was also a wet noodle that relied on power blessings to power spike into usability

[radiant chasm]

And lights would clubthrough if you had too much power

[flat pebble]

seemed “intentional”

[radiant chasm]

No no

[hearty panther]

chaxe12 did not have these issues tho, chaxe12 is an elite killing powerhouse

[radiant chasm]

Two power blessings made your lights worse

[flat pebble]

didn’t chaxe 12 come out they same time they buffed chaxes into usability

[radiant chasm]

After

[hearty panther]

roughly yea

[radiant chasm]

Mk4 was viable for like 2 patches before, with them getting rid of clubthrough, increasing maniac damage on heavies and increasing heavy speed

But mk12 release gave the family some popularity

[flat pebble]

i still desperately want them to give the mk12 more vroom

[hearty panther]

they also made power impact the shredder damage on lights for the mk4

those lights are insanely strong

[radiant chasm]

Yep

[hearty panther]

just left click crushers to death

[forest maple]

so which one ? mk4 for horde, mk12 for single?

[radiant chasm]

Lights on mk4 are comparable to a rev’d heavy in dps

[radiant chasm]

Mk12 for ease of use

[still flare]

I haven't touched them in a while and they've gotten so many changes. Not sure how to use them

[radiant chasm]

Mk4 for skill expression

Both have a target cap of 4 on their horde clear

[flat pebble]

is the mk4 good on a non melee vet

[hearty panther]

mk4 is safer for hordes, mk12 is safer against elites

mk12 involves much more PA spamming on the whole

[radiant chasm]

I personally think mk4 is better just cause it has a more versatile skill set with a sweep PA and heavy sweeps having good stagger

[hearty panther]

but its heavy revs do a LOT of damage

[forest maple]

flak/maniac as usual?

[radiant chasm]

I cant stand the mk12 PA stab

[hearty panther]

you don't need flak on it

[radiant chasm]

You can go up to cara, elites unyielding

[hearty panther]

they already do like 70% bonus damage to flak

[forest maple]

interesting

[radiant chasm]

All flak enemies you one shot with a heavy rev on both marks

Besides mauler

But with carapace

You can oneshot a mauler with rev’d heavy to the head

[forest maple]

guess i'll go maniac/elite to cover more ground instead of cara

[hearty panther]

to note is MK12 push is single target but with very high finesse values on headshot that now also staggers ragers out of combos

[radiant chasm]

That’s fair

[flat pebble]

I read it can stagger up to crushers with a headshot

[hearty panther]

ye crusher too but you'd normally rev heavy them anyway

[flat pebble]

even mid overhead

[hearty panther]

ragers overwhelm, PA spam stops that

[radiant chasm]

I dont think you need maniac on chainaxe since what exploits said about mk12 pa and mk4 lights also staggering ragers (at least on beefed up zealot)

[hearty panther]

Maniac is so you can cold rev kill mutants tbh

[radiant chasm]

And then rev’d attacks always staggering them

[hearty panther]

not much else

[radiant chasm]

Yea

Maybe useful on vet?

I need to run chain axe on vet

[hearty panther]

not bad by any means

[radiant chasm]

But im busy leveling all my weapons

[hearty panther]

chaxe12 on vet and psyker is juicy rn

vet imo you want both stam regen nodes, that push attack is very important and you gotta spam it

[still flare]

If it's even decent at horde and big boss/single target, i'd give it a go. Having fun with DS right now tho lol

[hearty panther]

psykers are eating so good rn

chaxe12 with 16 cleave lights? oh yes

[radiant chasm]

It’s horde clear is probably in the bottom placement

[hearty panther]

PA light repeating is faster than light repeating

and better control cause of the push

[radiant chasm]

All marks have a damage cap of 4 on their cleaving attacks

What they do offer is that they dont suddenly stop working when you introduce a lot of flak

[tall torrent]

It’s so good

[still flare]

I see I see 📜

[radiant chasm]

Chsword, one of the best horde clear in the game, will fall off dramatically the more armor you throw in

Power sword being an exception

[tall torrent]

I’d actually run Chainaxes over power swords on grenadier build if they had a bit better boss damage ngl

[radiant chasm]

Mk4 has good boss damage

[flat pebble]

u wot

[tall torrent]

Yea but I like mk12 more for that PA

[radiant chasm]

Fair

[tall torrent]

That PA is like

Rashad PA level of satisfying

Idk

[radiant chasm]

Psyker has a talent that gives them 1% cleave per 1% peril

16 and add on your power blessings, is nice but you are still damage capped to 4

[hearty panther]

but you can cleave through two maulers at peak which is tremendous control utility

been running chaxe12 recon xiv psyker all day and i just wanna do more of it

sadly work calls ;_;

[last parcel]

kill them

[slate hawk]

Eat them

[flat pebble]

so psyker really did just get a crazy glow up

[hearty panther]

if it wasnt for VoC

psyker would be #1

By Crack of Bone basically makes Scriers Gaze uptime whatever you want it to be in a fight

[radiant chasm]

Absolutely stupid glow up but yes

Scrier’s node that stops them from blowing up for 10 whole seconds

[hearty panther]

and that 10% attack speed node is so generously placed

[radiant chasm]

You can use it as a peril save now lmao

[woeful ibex]

hey guys

anyone has picture for the plasma gun skin?

[sullen scarab]

Did psykers get something that makes them spam their staff bolt attack like mad?

[woeful ibex]

the one in the prem shop?

not in my pc

[sullen scarab]

I was in a match with this madlad that was spamming the bolt thing like a recon las gun

and had like 900 kills lmao

[flat pebble]

🥲 fuck i need to try that

ive been annoying that the only peril save is shriek for a minute now

[radiant chasm]

My recommendation ep assail

With it

You can dump your entire stock of angry bees with no risk

[flat pebble]

what melee and ranged do u use for that

[radiant chasm]

EP gives them +3 cleave unlisted, true aim gives free crits

[flat pebble]

tbh psyker is my least played class I just do blaze trauma usually

[radiant chasm]

I have a transfer peril surge voidstrike

But guns would also work

Also purge and surge do not work right now with the scriers node

You will blow up

[gilded wraith]

What's the dump stat on power sword? Mobility or cleave targets?

[radiant chasm]

Cause fartshart bugs

[radiant chasm]

Mobility

[flat pebble]

i know that gunker has crazy dps I just don’t care to do a gun wizard. Magic is why it’s interesting to me

[flat pebble]

according to az it’s cleave targets or cleave damage and it depends on if you’re doing a sunder mk3 or a bm mk6

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, wasn't sure if BM played into that.

[radiant chasm]

Yes, during and for the 10 second lingering period of scrier’s gaze, you cannot peril of the warp

Current patch?

60% mobility doesnt matter

Imo

Youll never lose a dodge

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha so cleave damage on the mk3 with sunder, cleave targets on the mk6 with bm?

[radiant chasm]

It’s barely a speed difference

[flat pebble]

sprint speed be sprint speed I guess

[radiant chasm]

For common players, and i like az he’s a pro

[flat pebble]

it’s something like with BM you don’t need cleave damage bc you’re already spreading that first target damage around and with sunder you don’t need cleave targets

[radiant chasm]

But he is also really far from a common player

[flat pebble]

but I’m sure the difference between the 3 dump stat choices are really nominal

[radiant chasm]

A common player with benefit more from doing a bit more damage

Where as az knows all the breakpoints and is speedrunning maps in duos and shit

[scenic hull]

I have a question about the mastery system.
I have lvl 2 on headhunter perk for the mastery. But on my gun i have the tier 4 version since before. Is the mastery headhunter perk level just an additonal bonus to my current weapon one?

[radiant chasm]

It unlocks the blessings at hadron

[flat pebble]

yeah I mean when az talks about bps I usually don’t hold onto that info because it’s not relevant to my builds. I’m not min maxing to the degree where weak spot and infested damage are competitive choices on my weapons as perks

but for dump stats I think it’s generally a bit more useful info

[scenic hull]

Oh so it is just the ability to re bless then. So basically all my End tier blessings that i had before patch is now gone? and i have to unlock them via the mastery tree instead?

[flat pebble]

essentially, and the more blessings you had previously the higher your mastery starts at

[radiant chasm]

You might get more mastery as they fix the conversion as days go by and the next hotfix drops but yes, the system is different

[scenic hull]

Ok don't know if i got screwed or not. Time will tell

[radiant chasm]

And honestly, you aren’t screwed

Use your current weapon

And it will level up 1-2 per mission

[flat pebble]

honestly if you played a lot and had a decent amount of random weapons stocked up, you can sacrifice them and be totally cool

[near abyss]

Have new bis traits and blessings for Plasma been figured?

[flat pebble]

just remember to sacrifice the type of weapon specifically into the type of weapon you’re trying to upgrade, it’s something like 5x more exp gain

[flat pebble]

@tall torrent

[radiant chasm]

Buy infantry lasguns from brunts hourly shop and melk store

You can sacrifice any weapon to any family but you get much more xp for sacrificing to the same family

A single yellow sacrifice is like over a full level

[balmy flume]

Well I guess a bright spot in my extended absence from Darktide until mid or end October.

[orchid hemlock]

Does mobility also increase the width of Hip fire?

[flat pebble]

it shouldn’t

that’s usually stab if that stat is there

[radiant chasm]

No?

[orchid hemlock]

ok thats what I thought

so there is this mod that changes how u percieve it

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac
Rising heat + gets hot
80% damage
80% stopping power
80% ammo
69~70% thermal resist
70~71% charge rate

[flat pebble]

just in case you weren’t aware they changed many reticles as well in the recent past

[sullen scarab]

Does cleave damage effect power swords running brutal momentum?

What's the max number of units the power sword can actually damage in one swing?

[tall torrent]

11.7 cleave

[sullen scarab]

Ok!

So cleave damage is still a good stat

Does the cleave targets thing actually apply to powered swings as well?

I never know the interaction between the stats and powered attacks lol

[tall torrent]

Cleave target is dump

Even for sunder it’s dump

[forest maple]

Anyone with a vigilant autogun VII (single-fire one) tell me the ammo magazine/total on an 80% ammo version?

graia mark

[sullen scarab]

Got ot

[tall torrent]

Unless u specifically need to hit 5 crusher/mauler per swing

[brave bear]

I have a question: The "marksman" ability modifier says any weak spot hits gain 20% 'Strength' but what does that imply in this case? Is it 20% damage output or what?

[sullen scarab]

I just wasn't sure because Azreal said cleave damage is the dump for Brutal Momentum lol

[tall torrent]

Kind of

Neither cleave damage nor cleave target matter all that much

[sullen scarab]

And I guess mobility being a dump is bad

Since the power sword is heavy asf

[tall torrent]

Mobility u can dump as well tbh

[sullen scarab]

True lol

[tall torrent]

Dodges are bad even with 80% mobility

[sullen scarab]

I have a roll with 60 mobility maxed everything, and a roll with 60 damage max everything

Does the sprint speed matter at all or nah

[tall torrent]

Melee & ranged weakspot hits have +20% damage (multiplicative to +damage so it’s better than pure damage stack), +20% stagger and +20% cleave

[sullen scarab]

Thanks for the help btw you guys are the mvps

[tall torrent]

Use the 60 mobility one

[brave bear]

what

[tall torrent]

That’s what marksman does

+strength is +damage, stagger & cleave in proportion of 1:1

Except strength is a multiplicative step to all of them

[brave bear]

waitwaitwait

[near abyss]

Blaze away no longer valid?

[brave bear]

so despite the range-implication name, it applies to melee as well?

[tall torrent]

Imo rising heat does its job better

[tall torrent]

Yea

[brave bear]

so it's definitely fkin worth it, right?

[tall torrent]

Depends

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah what stat distribution do you want on the plasma gun now?

[tall torrent]

Elite/unarmored + maniac
Rising heat + gets hot
80% damage
80% stopping power
80% ammo
69~70% thermal resist
70~71% charge rate

[sullen scarab]

Awesome ty

[tall torrent]

Unarmored allows u to hit Dreg gunner 1HS without superiority complex

[sullen scarab]

I had no idea

[tall torrent]

Which isn’t that bad, saves u 2 points

However

Plasma is probably the hardest weapon to roll rn on veteran

[sullen scarab]

Is the thermal and charge rate for any specific reason?

[tall torrent]

Because u actually want super specific stats in all 5

[deep hill]

Yeah for most other weapons mob is just the dump stat so it's easy but the ones without it you need to check the breakpoints then figure out the best spread.

[sullen scarab]

Ahhh

[forest maple]

what about all 80 but 60 charge rate? 😄

[tall torrent]

69% thermal allows u to shoot 8 times in succession
There’s no difference between 69% and 80% thermal so 69% is all u need
U can allocate the rest into charge rate to make it feel better (higher firerate)

[tall torrent]

Works but u have lower firerate due to low charge rate

[forest maple]

charge rate affects left click?

[sullen scarab]

Is higher thermal bad because it's a waste and doesn't do anything?

[tall torrent]

Does do things, just not impactful

[tall torrent]

Yes

[forest maple]

huh, i see

[flat pebble]

charge rate nominally affects damage because of silly under the hood systems but also affects the delay to fire on the uncharged shot

[sullen scarab]

Got it, thank you man

[tall torrent]

60% vs 80% charge rate is around 10% attack speed difference

It’s not so significant but u can feel it

[sullen scarab]

Yeah I could feel it on a 60% charge rate gun

[flat pebble]

yeah I was able to bring my plasma up with U&L from 51% to 60% and it feels noticeably better

[forest maple]

wait, its still like that? i remember 61-63% being the sweet spot for extra damage

[flat pebble]

no they “fixed” it so it’s not severe like it used to be

[sullen scarab]

Time to roll some plasmas

[flat pebble]

apparently it’s still north or south of 1% damage but idk I haven’t bothered testing it

[deep hill]

There's spreadsheets online for all the breakpoints, enemy types armor visualizers, perk/blessing actual explanations and all that however I don't know if their all still accurate with the update would have to ask the min/maxers that didn't take a hiatus like I did on DT. Hammer seems to know their stuff.

[flat pebble]

people have been reevaluating in here since U&L because they can guarantee god rolls now

[tall torrent]

It’s extremely marginal now and not worth spending millions upon millions to minmax

[flat pebble]

that’s the impression I was under, ya

[tall torrent]

I think 80x3 +70x2 is the best distribution for plasma atm

Most other weapons want 4x80+60

[flat pebble]

i just mentioned it or else someone would correct me lmao. it’s mostly just about the firing delay on lights

[deep hill]

Very true an "Uhm actually" moment avoided. lol

[sullen scarab]

I really hope I don't accidentally dumpstered some good plasma rolls lol

[flat pebble]

there’s not really any winning in this discord but I can try

[tall torrent]

I’d suggest u roll other stuff before trying to godroll plasma

[sullen scarab]

Don't worry I'm done rolling everything

[tall torrent]

It’s unironically the hardest vet gun to fully optimize rn

[sullen scarab]

yeah lol

I just had some old ones

that MIGHT have had god rolls

I need to check

i will die if I dumped them for mats

i WILL brain burst myself

[flat pebble]

wouldn’t you theoretically have the same chance of getting a 3 x 80 2x 70 spread as a 4 x 80 1 x 60 in a random system

[gilded wraith]

Did any of the new blessings take the place of gloryhunter or the tier 3 power blessing on the plasma?

[deep hill]

I have nothing but godrolls now on all my 4 classes. All I need is to just upgrade them all. I had secret sleepers thankfully I didn't get rid of them. Also it's really easy to get mats now too with discarding rewarding plasteel also on blue and higher.

[tall torrent]

Yes
But half the weapons I see are 4x80+60 rn lol

[sullen scarab]

Yeah 100%. I knew buying all those things from Brunts armory in the past would pay off lmao

[tall torrent]

Rising heat (new)

[gilded wraith]

Thanks!

[tall torrent]

Docket is the main limiting factor now

[mental cloud]

Are there weapons worth taking rending strikes on or is it a dead node?

[tall torrent]

U don’t need that much plasteel

[flat pebble]

empowering weapons hurts my wallet so bad

[sullen scarab]

damn I think I dumpstered some of the better plasmas

[tall torrent]

It’s around 3k plasteel to get a gold tier 500 power weapon I think

But the docket cost is way higher

[red robin]

what's soft cap on reload speed?

[tall torrent]

Blessing swap (tier 4) is 4k
Perk swap (tier 4) is 2.5k

[deep hill]

So math wise what's best on the Hellbore now Surgical/Infernus, Surgical/Weight, Surgical/New Brittleness blessing ? Perks ? Which mark too ? I know people will die on the two with the better bayonet. I want some numbers though if anyone knows.

[flat pebble]

probably still surg/wof tbh

[slate hawk]

What's the preferred perks on a plasma in your guy's opinion? I typically like flak and maniac

[tall torrent]

Elite/unarmored + maniac
Rising heat + gets hot
80% damage
80% stopping power
80% ammo
69~70% thermal resist
70~71% charge rate

[red robin]

like i got talents that give 40% reload speed from volley adept and marksmen focus on the fanning revolver, +24.53% reload speed on the revolver as a stat, total is additive or multiplicative?

is that overkill?

[gilded wraith]

Yep... that's a rare bird!

[grand perch]

im gonna try the +50 cleave blessing on headshot for helbore, for the lulz

[deep hill]

So I want to know is everyone seeing constant 80s/60s godrolls or is that only the players with higher levels/more gametime. Wondering if that's factoring in now. All I see are 80/60-61s with the round bug.

[slate hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/sao-kirito-smile-evil-gif-19721995

[red robin]

do i keep unyielding and maniac? or can I reload maniac with reload speed or is that redundant with 64.53% reload speed?

[flat pebble]

this jester demands throughput

[slate hawk]

Might be my smooth brain but what does the 10% vs elites help with?

[flat pebble]

elites : )

[slate hawk]

Well

What breakpoint does it make you hit

[tall torrent]

If u take superiority complex, 10% elite gives u Dreg gunner 1HS
Without, u need 25% unarmored

[flat pebble]

you use weapspec right hammer?

[tall torrent]

I play plasma with FT

WS changes plasma firerate too much I don’t like it

[icy orchid]

Using h. Sword for the first time, any tips and tricks? Any mark particularly better over the others?

[flat pebble]

and you’re not hitting the OHK bp without elite or unarmored?

i wonder what’s making me hit it with FT bc I don’t have either

[tall torrent]

Yea you need either one of them

[flat pebble]

9, have deathblow, spam heavies

[tall torrent]

U could also take

[flat pebble]

I have long shot, that might be doing it

[tall torrent]

Both 5% ranged damage nodes
Focus target
Redirect fire
Superiority complex

[slate hawk]

1shs is pretty nice ngl

[tall torrent]

But that’s pretty cursed pathing

[icy orchid]

Lol thanks

[slate hawk]

My vet build could be considered cursed because I don't use keystones lol

[flat pebble]

idk if I have both 5% nodes I think I just have one

i have a feeling long shot is what’s doing the last extra damage for my bp

because ive never had a problem with dreg gunners on my plasma build

[tall torrent]

Longshot changes nothing

If u tag, you’ll kill in 1 headshot

[flat pebble]

oh then it’s just that then lmao

[tall torrent]

But that means u have to tag every single gunner to 1 shot

And I’m lazy

So I don’t consider tagging

Just redirect fire

[flat pebble]

lazy enough to do way way way more up front work

I tag most every target with muscle memory at this point

[slate hawk]

V2 syndrome

I feel that

[tall torrent]

I do too, it’s still better to have a breakpoint be active even without tag

[slate hawk]

This

[flat pebble]

but consider: I literally never don’t tag elites and specials

it’s not even considerable to me

[icy orchid]

Take the swap one

[flat pebble]

if I am aiming at a special or elites I always do m5 m1

[icy orchid]

It's great on low mobility guns

[uncut pebble]

You should start.

[flat pebble]

nty 🙂

[uncut pebble]

Tagging things is very good because it allows your teammates to deal with things you can't yet.

[flat pebble]

and yet it provides me important breakpoints with focus target

[uncut pebble]

The zealout is going to 180 and Nail that trapper in the face with a tknife and save your bacon.

[sullen scarab]

Good enough for a plasma gun roll for now?

[uncut pebble]

He just needs to know there's a trapper behind him.

[uncut pebble]

Good enough, you want to dump charge rate for a perfect one.

[flat pebble]

frankly if I’m using my plasma ft build I’m the one doing the carrying

[uncut pebble]

Uh huh...

Plasma...

[slow spade]

Plasma needs a buff

[flat pebble]

I’m not saying it’s high skill cap lmao

[slate hawk]

Focus target should allow enemies marked by your allies to take increased damage, just like Saltz

[slow spade]

Please make it AOE kk thx

[uncut pebble]

Even if this is bait, you should explode.

[slow spade]

It does...

[uncut pebble]

Actually an aoe instead of a cleaving line would be neat.

[flat pebble]

marked by your allies?

[slate hawk]

I call it my point click adventure game lmao

[slow spade]

Oh you meant non-yellow

Then no

[flat pebble]

well, that’s what they meant

[flat pebble]

vwoomp

[slow spade]

I thought they meant other vet's FTs

[flat pebble]

idk I’m giving the benefit of the doubt

[slate hawk]

You're correct

[forest maple]

is there any database that has all weapon min/max stats listed?

[flat pebble]

that’s a new feeling

[slate hawk]

If I had nitro I'd give you a pat emote

[slow spade]

In that case, yeah it'd be pretty neat

Hopefully more people would ping

[slate hawk]

Might be cringe, but it is mine

[heavy rover]

no such thing as a cringe veteran build

even the most shitpost veteran build can be viable

[sour marsh]

Howdy Fellow rejects. I'm asking all the other Classes this and that's out of the 3 voices which is the best/your favorite?

[slow spade]

One of the benefits of being a Vet is your base kit is already quite good

[forest maple]

Anyone here with a 80% ammo vigilant autogun able to tell me mag/total ammo on the graia VII?

[slow spade]

I have purple eyes on my Vet, you already know which one I chose UwU

[sour marsh]

CADIA LIVES!

[slow spade]

CADIA STANDS, CADIA LIVES

[faint beacon]

What gun if I mind asking

[tight jetty]

Where can I find which dueling sword is best and what perks/blessings to run on it

[slate hawk]

PG and shovel mk3 my beloved

[faint beacon]

I’d say honestly swap improv for like WS or something cause it would help a shit ton with your melee

Though tagging would help a lot more

[slow spade]

I use Focus Target on my Plasmas

[slate hawk]

Ye, I just feels bad when marking a enemy for that 20% extra damage then losing it when marking another

[flat pebble]

this is a fairly reasonable build

and yeah I’d probably drop improv to get WS

[slate hawk]

And improve is the 5% for grenades back right?

[flat pebble]

that’s demo team

field improv is the ammo crates and medkits talent

[slate hawk]

Ah

[flat pebble]

i run demo team on all my shit i love grenades and in aurics they come back quick even at 5%

[slow spade]

Its just free damage

[slate hawk]

Yeah I like it too much to get rid if it currently

[deep hill]

Ok what's the god build for the new Tut sword for vet ? My krieg fit got to be perf and I copped the skin (yes i know weapon mod but i wanted to push positive reinforcement for FS to keep listening to the playerbase)

[slow spade]

Worrying about damage is also something plasma doesn't really have to deal with 😎

[slate hawk]

it should be buffed to its original version

[slow spade]

Ogryn time

[flat pebble]

god can you imagine lmao

[slow spade]

Zealot with Uncanny + fire nades

Surely this won't be a mistake UwU

[faint beacon]

Clicked to me you could also drop demo team for a point back

Cause you have grenade regen

[flat pebble]

honestly if they reverted it so it works for everyone but it has to build up and roll over like survivalist does for ogryn low ammo weapons id be ok with it

[slate hawk]

Demo team is there just as kind "ha ha grenade spam vet go brr"

[faint beacon]

Off of special kills?

[slate hawk]

It would be the sacrifice point imo

[faint beacon]

You’d mainly use your PG for that

As much as I despise that weapon

That’s it’s job is anti special

Horde build up you use melee or frags

[slate hawk]

Sometimes both, depending on the situation

[faint beacon]

Technically if you drop Field Improv and Demo team you can get either Focus Target or Weapon Specialist

[flat pebble]

I’m not sure what this has to do with demo team

[faint beacon]

Depending on what you prefer

[faint beacon]

He’s running shredders, that’s mainly for hordes of mixed or just over all large hordes

[flat pebble]

yeah

[faint beacon]

You use your Plasma for Elites or Specials

[sullen scarab]

@tall torrent Just rolled this, this is it yeah?

[faint beacon]

The 1 minute grenade regen will make up for Demo team

[sullen scarab]

got the perfect charge rate and thermal resistance

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s it

Lmao

[flat pebble]

both means even more booms

[slate hawk]

Crusher packs to bounce those things around

[faint beacon]

Yeah but you really only use frags when hordes show up

[flat pebble]

i use them when bulwarks and crushers show up

or ragers

my melee can handle cheap hordes

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s nice but like I literally only use grenade regen unless I’m running my grenadier build

[sullen scarab]

Hell yeah!!!

[faint beacon]

And I always have minimum 1

[sullen scarab]

cost me 1.5 million

but worth it lmao

[faint beacon]

On me

[slate hawk]

Speaking of bulwarks, rip

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah is it true the plasma gun bounces off the shields now?

on the bulwarks?

[flat pebble]

yes

[slate hawk]

75 damage

[faint beacon]

Plasma nerf?

No way lmao

[slate hawk]

Give or take

[sullen scarab]

[candid agate]

how good is mercy killer with uncanny strike on mk 3 knife on vet compared to uncanny with executor

[slate hawk]

Can we get armor made out of those shields?

Maybe then a smite psyker won't crumple when breathed on lol

[deep hill]

You know what's nice about this update also along with the resurge in players. The overall attitude feels a bit better less toxicity in disc and in-game. (still the occasional tox lord but still atm feels good)

[sullen scarab]

what the hell, why did the finally roll mess up lol

it rolled less than the preview said lol

[faint beacon]

Still useable

[faint beacon]

Every interval of 100

[deep hill]

RIP you got the bug because of it's rounding it had to fix the stats and lowered one.

[faint beacon]

It has a chance to change

[slate hawk]

(For context I'm only mean the smite psykers that do nothing but smite

[faint beacon]

It’s top stats

[sullen scarab]

I'll save it lol

[candid agate]

i mean its only 1% so does it matter

[sullen scarab]

69% charge rate doesn't really change anything right

[faint beacon]

And I got fucked out of so many taxes cause of it

[faint beacon]

Bare minimum iirc

[candid agate]

besides its the funny number as well

[sullen scarab]

true

[faint beacon]

So it still works

[sullen scarab]

the funny sex number...

[slate hawk]

Plus, funny number

Jink

Jinx

[tame lodge]

Psyker shield that doesn't crumble?
May I present you to smoke grenades?

[sullen scarab]

LOL

so I guess I miss .06 charge speed

they fixed that damage bug right

[deep hill]

I got a lot of 381's even if they are just actually 380s it's just a funny visual bug.

[sullen scarab]

where you needed like 71% charge rate?

[slate hawk]

Smite Psykers

[sullen scarab]

I have the mod installed that shows the real weapon stats

I guess I can live with a .06 slower charge for hip fire lmao

[red robin]

My friends would tell me how much being rng locked away from their dream build sours their mood to play, last night 2 of my friends reinstalled and absolutely love the game now

[candid agate]

how good is this? plan to make it mk 3 but the stats are glitched

[red robin]

I did the evil thing and put them into auric quick play because I wanted money

We got murked and I failed to carry them

That’s on me 😔

[slate hawk]

Man, I thought I was gonna play some RD2 but ended up with kitten time. Is nice

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-caine-i-failed-you-failed-batman-sorry-gif-12862016

[deep hill]

It's amazing to be able to make godrolls and finally have buildcrafting being fun without the slog of the RNG/timesink. Now you can just play for fun the mats are like backthought.

[red robin]

10% ordo dockets curio perk now S+ tier in my eyes

[deep hill]

You get ordo and mats from discarding blues and above btw 😉

[faint beacon]

Easily swap them in and or out on curios now as well

[candid agate]

what

[deep hill]

Plasteel specifically so now inventory cleaning is a real thing and you technically only need 1 of each weapon unless you have specific builds that need a weapon to have diff breakpoint stats.

[sullen scarab]

Here it is, the Final Plasma Gun

[faint beacon]

Greens of the same weapon you’re sacrificing towards are insane for Mastery

[sullen scarab]

it has the hehefunny sex number

[faint beacon]

My veteran melee tree is 100% mastered cause of it

Now I just gotta do Vet Ranged

[deep hill]

My dude gratz now have fun 😉 .

[faint beacon]

Then I’m doing Ogryn

[sullen scarab]

yeeee

[deep hill]

Yeah discarding (not sacrificing) grays gives ordos like normal but purp and orange** give plasteel and a lot too.

[sullen scarab]

now i can finally start playing the game

yeah i mae like 1.2 million from sacrificing old weapons

did they increase the value of discarding weapons?

[candid agate]

would it be a net postitive or nah for each sell?

[deep hill]

So now with the mark/type changing you can inventory clean when you get the god roll, you really only need 1 weapon of each since you can always change perks blessings now.

[sullen scarab]

I'm just paranoid now because of weapons like the plasma gun

where it needs a funky roll or dumpstat lmao

[trim steppe]

Even with the new system I spent way too many ordos, but my brain is now happy

[sullen scarab]

Damnnnn

better than mine

but doens't have the funny sex number

[deep hill]

if you have godrolls you don't really need the others so you can discard them or if you need mastery points sacrifice them. I'm maxed on everything except the new weapons for my 4 classes.

[candid agate]

i just sold a blue and got no plasteel

[trim steppe]

plasteel for purple and diamantine for orange

ordos for everything

[deep hill]

Is it only purple and orange then?

[candid agate]

oh

well that was a waste of 300 plasteel

[flat pebble]

I don’t think anyone responded to this so I will: ya they did

[deep hill]

yeah it is my bad, don't worry the purps and oranges give a lot back.

[zinc surge]

would shred and uncanny for dueling sword mk4 be the play?

[trim steppe]

69 TR and 72 CR would be perfect but I dont want to spent another million ordos. I'm satisfied

[trim steppe]

yeah oranges give like 250 plasteel and 80 dia

[flat pebble]

I prefer riposte to shred, easier proc condition and lasts for 6 seconds and doesn’t required repeated hits

[zinc surge]

spaming light seems to get shred to max pretty fast

[trim steppe]

only argument for shred over riposte is that you can stunlock with the dueling sword and that doesnt proc riposte

but i prefer riposte too

[zinc surge]

and you get more global crit from it

[sullen scarab]

Yeah I'm close enough I don't think 1-2% charge rate is going to change anything other than knowing its not perfect, technically lmao

Does the Dueling sword actually take care of mobs? People always tell me it does but I always get overrun by the huge mobs and damage "leaks" through

[zinc surge]

it does seem to struggle with hordes i wonder if rampage would be better then shred/riposte due to that?

[deep hill]

I've heard that too, so I assume yes it's a sacred gem.

[sullen scarab]

I only remember Shred wasn't that good when it was a Pysker only weapon because it falls off the second you miss someone

[flat pebble]

^

[zinc surge]

ooo its on chained hit you get proc ok i see why precog would be better

[flat pebble]

flat 20% crit for just existing in a normal state in high difficulties (dodging constantly) is very good

especially in comparison to a chained hit blessing

[sullen scarab]

Yeah, that's what the people in psyker chat told me in the past

when I was playing psyker with DS4

shred is a trap cuz the second you miss it vanishes

vs the 20% crit for just existing lol

[zinc surge]

like are you suppose to time your dodge for attack sound que?

or just get it organically wiggling about

[deep hill]

There's a rolling steel timer mod. Blessed be thy Modificatiomnissiahs.

[sullen scarab]

honestly it just appears when I"m dodging around

[zinc surge]

so you shouldnt actively try and dodge on que just be safe and be dodgin?