veteran-class

[broken spade]

that blessing that increases damage with heat looks good

[torn moat]

What blessings for double barrel?

[tall torrent]

Manstopper + scattershot

[olive pelican]

the veteran does not have the revolver anymore?

[oblique totem]

Double magazine size

[tranquil bronze]

According to masteries, we still do

[oblique totem]

Which probably doesn't exist but I wish it did

[olive pelican]

the agripina is the new one right?

am i blind or what wtf

[tranquil bronze]

I think it's among the many renamed

[last parcel]

the marks are merged

you buy a revolver and can swap it between agri and azarona

[olive pelican]

oh shit

i was thinking i lost like a lot of weapons, lmao

[tranquil bronze]

All marks have been merged and can swap them out at will

[olive pelican]

well thanks for the info

[tranquil bronze]

Is mobility the dump stat for the lasgun?

So these stats are great then?

[jaunty sphinx]

perfect actually

60 mobility 80 everything else is best in slot for basically every weapon that can roll it

[tranquil bronze]

Oh thank the emperor

So I basically got the BiS Kantrael

[jaunty sphinx]

ye

[delicate wagon]

lol..plasma still top dog

[umbral scaffold]

how do you see the leaderbroads tho

[misty delta]

its a mod

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah it's a mod

Scoreboard mod

[umbral scaffold]

oh which one

[thorn lark]

Maybe plasma is first to kill crusher packs

[umbral scaffold]

I have all cosmetics one

[tall torrent]

What talent tree & melee are u running with plasma now

What’s ur talent tree

[crude fiber]

speaking of, whats the blessings to go for on heavy swords

[tall torrent]

WS or FT

[delicate wagon]

Which recon mark?

[thorn lark]

My god

[tall torrent]

The fast firing one

[thorn lark]

Dumdum headhunter?

[delicate wagon]

ah, i'll give it a whirl

[thorn lark]

Yeah 6d is 12 and 2 is 6c

[tall torrent]

U have to basically spec ur whole tree for that

[thorn lark]

Plasma does not really need a tree tho

[tall torrent]

It depends on ur perks

Smth like this? Idk
U said no agile but idk what other talents are as good for 2 points

[thorn lark]

Path do you have anything to say about the new blessings for the taxes and the boltgun?

[thick blaze]

are the old builds still good? whats the currently meta build with the new update? I havent read the patch notes to find out what changed

[tall torrent]

Relentless strikes is ass
Agile is fun but I think Tac axe is still BM + HT for the most part

[thorn lark]

Yeah but most of the time you'll be doing very fine

[last parcel]

use determined deadshot plasma

[tall torrent]

I will say tho

For zealot specifically

BM + slaughter spree can be very funny

Since u can force melee crit

[thorn lark]

That what I am gonna try tomorrow

[tall torrent]

And it just cycles

U don’t need shred on it

BM is still the way imo

Cleave distribution is disastrous

Only mk4 I wouldn’t consider BM

But since u can swap marks I personally would go with mk7 prob

[thorn lark]

My highest melee score ever is still with Aon + ht tho

[tall torrent]

If ur gonna go pure power I still think HT + AoN is the way

I’m a certified Decimator hater

And relentless strikes is ass

Drops all stacks the moment u hit another enemy

[thorn lark]

Aon is so much better if you do pa + h1

I could run bm + Aon tbh

[tall torrent]

U could try BM + AoN

But I think it’s much more effort for just 7% more power

Headtaker is 25%
AoN is 32% (impossible to maintain 40%)

Also I will say

[thorn lark]

Yeah but you can start a fight with 20+ power easily

[tall torrent]

Try the buffed mk12 chainaxe if u haven’t

Mk12 chainaxe’s PA is insane now

[thorn lark]

Mk12 pa?

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe12’s PA is a stab

They buffed this attack

You can use it to:
break rager combo (both)
Interrupt mauler overhead
Interrupt crusher overhead (weakspot)

[thorn lark]

Wow

[tall torrent]

And it does like 1k+ damage to Dreg ragers if u run maniac on it

Veteran can 2 hit Dreg rager with PA + light

[misty delta]

interrupting crusher overhead is not what I was expecting lol

[thorn lark]

Wait

With kinetic deflection it's stupid

[tall torrent]

What

[thorn lark]

On psyker

You don't even have to pay stam to do the pa

I can already see a build with warp charges

[orchid hemlock]

Is this updated in your guide now? 🤔

[tall torrent]

No I’ve been busy

[thorn lark]

About the boltgun do you have any takes?

[orchid hemlock]

So is BM or Shred better on MK4? 🤔

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t run mk4 now tbh

Since u can godroll Tac axe very easily

Mk7 is prob the best one?

[thorn lark]

I tried ff + pf and pf + puncture on zealot

Mk2 is best if you spam heavies

[tall torrent]

It’s better than before

[thorn lark]

Mk7 is best is if you do pa in your flow

[tall torrent]

But blessing wise I think same deal as before

[orchid hemlock]

What is the best mk7 blessing then?

[tall torrent]

BM + HT prob

[thorn lark]

I was pleasantly surprised by puncture. It was a scourge enabler and an elite finisher

[orchid hemlock]

Even on Zealot?

[thorn lark]

Yeah

You don't go wrong with bm + ht

[umbral scaffold]

What is the current best veteran gun

300 hour ogryn player

[thorn lark]

Aon + ht is quite good but I only use it on mk7 because I abuse pa

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver

[thorn lark]

I need to try bm + spree tomorrow

[forest maple]

plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

playing with plasma gun, it feels weaker side

[thorn lark]

Depends on your build and how you made your plasma

[forest maple]

it does? what perks/blessings re you using

[misty delta]

I can see plasma being mid if you have low mastery

[forest maple]

flak/elite and gets hot/blaze away is a good start

[thorn lark]

What range weapon were you using?

[umbral scaffold]

Used all of them, recently stubber and axe

used rumbler when playing ogrynheimmer

kickback for general use

[velvet estuary]

lads

the dueling sword might be a little good on vet

hooooly

[misty delta]

it truly is a blessing from the omnisiah

[thorn lark]

Ok. Because I am a kickback user as well. And well I have not found another weapon like it

[umbral scaffold]

its pretty nice yeah

but currently using power sword

[thorn lark]

Well. Try it with precog + duellist on zealot...

[umbral scaffold]

you guys know any good bnlessing for pwoer sword

[thorn lark]

Power cyler

[misty delta]

which mk are you using

[umbral scaffold]

its amazing at close range

ven vets sucks I use it for take down specials and snipers

[thorn lark]

Then it's either bm or sundee

[umbral scaffold]

mk4

[thorn lark]

Yeah same. I usually top ranged dmg with it on a melee build...

If there's a vet with survivalist you can do horde clearing as well

[misty delta]

I’m out of touch with the mk4 but yeah power cycler is the undisputed king in terms of p.sword blessings

[thorn lark]

Mk3 or mk6

What's mk4?

[misty delta]

they prolly mean 6

the roman numerals are tricky

so yeah if it’s 6, then BM or Sunder depending on what you’re more scared of

sunder is good for cleaving packs of armor, BM for anything else

[thorn lark]

You can two tap crushers with both

[umbral scaffold]

I just added that, thank you so much

you think bolter vs plasma for a support vet

[thorn lark]

Considering the amount of amored elites in auric I often go sunder tbh

[terse idol]

30% weakpoint damage preeeettyy

Goooooood

[thorn lark]

Plasma

[terse idol]

Sundering

[misty delta]

for someone who’s not used to vet, plasma is an easier gun to learn

[terse idol]

Pretty gooooood

[bronze badger]

question, say i have a weapon with 450 power but my mastery of the weapon limits the power to 400. what power is that weapon if i use it in missions?

[thorn lark]

Bolter is on the way to being fixed but it's still not an easy gun

[umbral scaffold]

I did use bolter with zealot back then itw as weak

[terse idol]

Bolter is better atm

With the faster pull out speed

Not better than plasma

[thorn lark]

When was that?

[umbral scaffold]

a year ago I think

[terse idol]

Just run surgical with bolter and done

[thorn lark]

They buffed it twice since the pinning fire nerf

[misty delta]

fellow surgical bolter enthusiast 🤝

[low lava]

If only veteran had knife cancel tech with the bolter like zealot

[thorn lark]

But yeah you don't use it the same way on zealot and vet

[terse idol]

I'm mixed unfortunately

It's the best way to play bolter for vet

But I'm also a pull the trigger main

😭

I just wanna dump my mag on monsters

[thorn lark]

You don't have to use surgical

[low lava]

Bolter is basically like hellbore 4 on vet lol

[terse idol]

Surgical is just insane and insanely good for vet

[misty delta]

if only it was a more viable playstyle

truly is a shame

[terse idol]

For zealot it's better with the mag dump

But I've managed to mix both

Surgical with uhhh

[thorn lark]

But if you invest in Deadshot and or exec yeah.. that's a given

[terse idol]

Sunder on repeated hits

[terse idol]

I use exe

And focus target

[thorn lark]

I would go surgical with exec

[terse idol]

Explicitly for killing bosses

[frank basin]

Smudguh

[terse idol]

Yooo

[frank basin]

Hai

[thorn lark]

Yeah same. Exec + focus

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[terse idol]

[frank basin]

VoC no keystone

[misty delta]

[frank basin]

[terse idol]

Exe changes have been goated

[misty delta]

oh I read that as no modifier lmaooo

[frank basin]

Was my favorite if is function like ogryn PBB

[terse idol]

Not that I can swap my weapon and then back with the bolter in any good time but whateverr

[thorn lark]

But with the way they fixed sway you can use reliably a non surgical bolter to snipe... As long as you take determined

[frank basin]

I would use Exe stance if is combine with Ogryn PBB

[thorn lark]

And that's so fucking good

[umbral scaffold]

surgical?

[frank basin]

Surgical is a blessing on weapon when aim down sight build up crit chance

[umbral scaffold]

Oh

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b8ca10c-2311-4c74-94d0-4a9373aad513/plasma-kasrkin-frag-grenade-voice-of-command-focus-target-auric-ready been using this one for vet

thank you

[orchid hemlock]

dont trust games lantern builds

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I dont even use plasma and I can know that shit isn't right 😔

[frank basin]

First thing I was gonna tell him don’t use game lantern build

I retract it

[frank basin]

I already knew is bad with all 3 toughness curio

[orchid hemlock]

they must be thinking they are playing zealot, common mistake

no worries

[frank basin]

I always bring 1 wounds curios on every loadout

[orchid hemlock]

[frank basin]

I Veteran bring 1 wounds curio on every loadout

The rest is stamina/toughness/health

[worldly pulsar]

I just got a Kantrael MkIIb infantry lasgun. Is that new or do I just have early onset Alzheimer's?

[neon imp]

They renamed them

[worldly pulsar]

Ahh, okay.

[delicate wagon]

The recon VII is nice, just got out a game. last time I tried it I wasn't liking it too much, but yeah it mauls through stuff

[umbral scaffold]

oH

Oh

Is there any build that I can look

[frank basin]

Do you feel like you know what you’re doing?

You have to learn how to be veteran not rely build on someone

Each class has own role and sometime you don’t need be owning self role

Can be fun or be little serious play

[winter grove]

How it feels to play Veteran in Darktide vid coming soon

Trust

[heavy rover]

yeah, the thing with veteran in my opinion is that there isn't some "meta" build. there's a lot of flexibility and it's more about getting a feel for what works best for you

[winter grove]

Veteran is the class that doesn't even need a milestone ability

I mean Focus Target and WS is nice

But you can go without them no problem

We don't talk about marksman's focus

[frank basin]

Lmao

I tried

[wet elk]

damn melk is cooking

[frank basin]

One my loadout run no keystone

[winter grove]

One my builds is also keystoneless

[heavy rover]

same

[winter grove]

And it performs fantastic

[wet elk]

i ONLY run grenade build lol, no keystone

[heavy rover]

I've got a non-keystone build that's literally maxing out all the grenade perks with shreder, and it's hilarious

plus also bolt pistol with lethal proximity hahaha

[frank basin]

I do that

[winter grove]

Mine is just making MG12 ilas better

Sorry

[frank basin]

Lethal proximity

[winter grove]

I meant

Mk9

[tacit solar]

[winter grove]

Finslly

We can have good guns

[umbral scaffold]

I do, I want a support and heavy-hitter veteran, kinda focuses on elites and keeps people alive through coherency

[frank basin]

Look through skill tree read what suit for you

First coherency the ability then last is optional keystone

Heavy hitting weapon you means like either plasma/boltgun or recon mk VIIa or braced autogun like agripinna

I think plasma and boltgun are heavy hitting

[umbral scaffold]

plasma/boltgun/pwoer sword

[frank basin]

Power sword is your choice

As long you can sustain yourself staying alive

[umbral scaffold]

I just played my first damnation maelstorm with my vet, power sword powered hits are insane

Kinda how it feels like pickaxes

[frank basin]

Power sword great enchance on charge attack

Power cycler do nice bonus

[umbral scaffold]

masybe I should return to my zealot

[frank basin]

Whatever you want to play

[umbral scaffold]

I like shooting but having immortal drugged religious hobo tank is really nice too

[frank basin]

Because zealot is a frontliner

[umbral scaffold]

at this popint, I encountered so many bad players my vet becomes ogryn lmao

[frank basin]

Lack of range but close range as deadly as fast can be

Ogryn is like ranged and tank or melee tank

[umbral scaffold]

Oh I know

I had 300 hour of ogryn

[hollow turtle]

Lol gun ogryn is a lot of dakka down range, but none of the accuracy.

[frank basin]

Veteran most play as sharpshooter, mine play as machine gunner and other

[umbral scaffold]

kinda bored and played dozens of auric already, completed all penances

[umbral scaffold]

man that stubber dakka is terrifiying tho

[frank basin]

Alchy

[hollow turtle]

Just give him breathing room to do so, and he's just a walking MG platform.

[fierce spoke]

Is Collateral the proper Dump stat for the Boltgun?

[umbral scaffold]

that stunt stubber gives are legendary

[austere blade]

I'm having audio issues with the Columnus Infantry Autogun, is it mod-related or are other people having this issue

[tacit solar]

its just stagger i did testing forever ago and found the breakpoint for bulwarks was like 52-55

[hollow turtle]

I want to say yes to this because a bolter will stagger anything smaller than an Ogryn easily anyways.

[frank basin]

Loadout config is not updating

[tacit solar]

even at 60% its higher than 100% for near

[fierce spoke]

Awesome. Thank you. Had a few bolt guns sitting around. I don't use it much, but that'll change. I have the same stat roll as that one. Can't wait now to use it

[hollow turtle]

Has anyone been experimenting with the plasma gun's blessings?

[tall torrent]

@formal lake have u checked achlys axe breakpoints after the update

[frank basin]

If config loadout work I would test some run

[fierce spoke]

Fun times ahead. Once it's tweaked.

[torn moat]

What blessings and perks are best for PS?

[frank basin]

Power cycler, carapace/flak, maniac

Slaughter/sunder/brutal momentum

[heavy rover]

i'm curious to see how the power sword is like with Thrust

[frank basin]

It be nice with it

Power cycler and thrust

Clean cleave

With zealot it be overkill I think

But not totally overpower

[tall torrent]

It’s sunder lite

[wet elk]

is focused cooling better than blaze away»?

[quasi tulip]

love the update, random mission reward

idk why it's so blurry

[frank basin]

what blurry?

[quasi tulip]

the snip looks blurry unless you click on it

[frank basin]

im on pc is fine

[pine halo]

max potential for a weapon modifier that is still random right?

[quasi tulip]

yeah

[wise wren]

Yall starting out as a veteran from ogryn so im a bit confused about the weapon optiopns
any recommendations to start off with?

[quasi tulip]

personally, i would just do top to bottom of mastery list or do weapons close to max first lol

cept ogryn doesn't have crossover, so i'd just do top to bottom

[topaz lance]

Try things, if you like the feeling of a weapon, invest time

[woven coral]

the power sword being op really is balanced out by how absolute shit it feels to play huh

[umbral scaffold]

it is pretty nice tho

[hollow ibex]

Not that bad imo. You get into a rythym

[umbral scaffold]

both as in power and class fantasy

still cant get it how a army chaplain gets thunder hammer tho lmao

[woven coral]

I like power up mechanics like with the chain axe and sword it feels intuitive to rev up right before decimating armoured guys

but the rest of the time you can just play regular melee combat

but for power sword it's just exhausting to activate every 3 attacks

[tall torrent]

I got tired of Rashad and I don’t want to spec into heavy sword so I’ll prob tinker around with achlys axe

Ya but boss damage is pretty bad on them

Ig

I’ll need to play around them more

The horde clear was surprisingly avg on it?

Maybe I’m doing smth wrong

But I got smth like

DC sword / shovel tier clear

DC sword I got like 17s for 50 pox

SM3 I got 18s smth

Savage sweep + shred

Had it locked before the update

I wanna see if I can make achlys axe do smth special

[hollow ibex]

Have they buffed the infantry las?

I lost track

[winter grove]

Yo path

Are you upset with the update renaming weapons?

[buoyant mango]

Anyone got recommendations for a Commisar Talent Tree?

[amber cliff]

any suggestoins on what to run with a bolt pistole?

perks/blessing wise

[woven coral]

you want surgical and puncture with flak and maniac

you can one shot headshot gunners and even if you miss specials and hit a body shot the bleed stacks usually finish them off

[warm zodiac]

My Kantrael Lasgun says its a Mark IX. But I can find no mention of a Mark IX lasgun in the official sources. Glitch?

[woven coral]

it was probably named something else before the update

the latest update has changed a lot of weapons' names and mark numbers

[warm zodiac]

I could have sworn it was a MK XII

Thanks!

[last parcel]

because it was

[hearty panther]

6 cleave recon 9 on psyker is such a treat rn

u gotta do it

[amber cliff]

thank

[somber axle]

Probably something like one of these with Chainsword and Boltpistol

[warm zodiac]

Thanks Bake!!

[somber axle]

Funny mega Kraks to delete bosses

[rigid pilot]

What the hell is the recon 9

[last parcel]

elite maniac for dreg gunner and flamer oneshots
lethal proximity to boost frag grenade explosion range
then whatever you want, normally run n gun so shooting is smoother

[frank basin]

It’s over I have to relearn the name

[hearty panther]

formerly known as the recon 7a

[rigid pilot]

It's 14

[last parcel]

XIV is 14 though

[oblique totem]

Any crazy builds around the dueling sword yet?
It's been a full day

[woven coral]

just call them fast/medium/slow recon at this point tbh

[hearty panther]

oh it is 14

[rigid pilot]

Btfo

[hearty panther]

derp

[somber axle]

But the Mk VId is now the Mk XII
And the Mk II is now the Mk VIc

And the VIIa is FFXIV

[hearty panther]

yea my eyes just start crossing after a while

[oblique totem]

Classic vet confusion

[rigid pilot]

It would have for nicely in the (just times two) category if not for the 6c

[oblique totem]

Good joke.

[somber axle]

Just remember the Mk II is the Mk Sexy

Ezpz

[stable onyx]

when trying to craft a weapon. Do you try to maxxout all stats or only some of them ?

[hearty panther]

anyway TRFKA 7a kicks ass on psyker now

[rigid pilot]

Noooooo

No the sexy..

[last parcel]

crazy you say
the human krak grenade build

[woven coral]

you can't max all stats

[hearty panther]

4+ cleave presents a lot of interesting implications

[oblique totem]

I already know this one

[somber axle]

80s in all the important stats and mobility as the dump stat at 60 usually

[woven coral]

the best it can ever be is 80/80/80/80/60

usually it's mobility stat that is preferred to get the 60 treatment

[stable onyx]

Goood that was the kind of info I was looking for 😛

[rigid pilot]

Anyone have the masses of bruisers memorised

[oblique totem]

Wait, those aren't Krak grenades

[last parcel]

3.5 for scab and 2.5 for dreg

[last parcel]

you are the krak grenade

[rigid pilot]

Piercing bruisers with 4+

[somber axle]

Human Krak Grenade is Psyker with 3 wounds curios

I am the Poxburster now

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-wait-a-second-wait-whoa-there-what-did-i-just-see-gif-13900813

[somber axle]

Do you think Zealots are upset with the exploding Flamers

[fading wagon]

Any fun/ viable infiltrate builds anyone wanna hook me up with pretty please

[somber axle]

I've had a lot of matches where they rush at a Flamer and then it explodes in their face

[oblique totem]

That's just jealousy

[rigid pilot]

does the explosion do darmarge or just flame barrel pushback

[somber axle]

Living explosive barrels are the best part of this update

[stable onyx]

Im trying to follow this build : https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/stormtrooper-veteran-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist-auric-ready is it poop water or still viable

[oblique totem]

Ok, this does open up some possibilities

[red robin]

So uh, I kinda like punishing salvo and sustained fire on the Agripinaa infantry autogun

[crude fiber]

dueling swords are pretty fun on vet. just ran with the mk5 and it was awesome

[red robin]

With 15 stacks of mf focus, executioners stance and deadshot

Long range head popper

Take marksmen and that 20% strength on weakspot hits kinda nutty

Deathspitter and dum dum kinda feel bad for long range kills

[somber axle]

This looks fine to me tbh

[red robin]

Burst firing with it ain’t so bad

[somber axle]

It has all the important bits Vet typically wants

[rigid pilot]

its just different playstyles

[somber axle]

Surv Aura isn't too important though

You could save points going through Fire Team instead

Then you could make boss killing Kraks with Bring It Down and Tinkerer

Or use the extra points elsewhere like Rending Strikes maybe

[rigid pilot]

i never really figured out kraks and infiltrate damage bonus

i throw two, then stealth, then try to shoot asap

[torn moat]

Which Brauto is BiS now? And what Blessings and perks for it?

[mellow sable]

What are some good blessings for lasgun?

[torn moat]

Dumdum, headhunter, infernus

(infernus only for recon. Not as good on infantry)

[mellow sable]

I don't think infantry lasgun has infernus anymore

I'm looking at it rn

[torn moat]

It does

[mellow sable]

Oh yup

Looks like opening salvo I got confused

[torn moat]

Infantry you'd want Headhunter and something else... Maybe Deadly Accurate

[lime gyro]

Whats best blessings and perks for Mk VI power sword?

[shadow urchin]

What's the word on Double Barrel Specialist? I am having fun myself but I am curious if theres any hot takes on it.

[narrow frost]

It's a gun

[torn moat]

^

Which Brauto is BiS now? And what Blessings and perks for it?

[neon imp]

Is gud.

[winged iron]

What do y'all think of the new yarrick cosmetic?

[narrow frost]

Clothes.

[umbral nest]

Anyone have a goood commissar build?

[ancient path]

what are you guys rockin' right now?

trying out the bolter and it seems pretty fun. just want a better weapon to pair. p. swords have awkward downtime so i may go devil claws for better defense

shock mauls also own. whats the blessing you guys use for that?

[idle carbon]

can't go wrong with a shovel

heavy sword on vet a nice change of pace too

[ancient path]

yeah i saw we got heavy sword and dueling sword

really can go that commisar feel with las pistol and dueling sword maybe

[junior needle]

Played a couple matches and did not really care for the new mission. I'm going back to hibernation because the game remains stale.

[tall torrent]

I’m ok with it

[ancient path]

good night sweet prince

[echo pendant]

I sometimes wonder if we should check the vets for potential psykers

They manage to pull out grenades out of thin air

[stable onyx]

Sorry missed

So was the build ok or would you change anything ?

[full nacelle]

What am I supposed to do with dockets now?

can I turn it into plasteel?

[orchid hemlock]

u mean the collumnus build?

[stable onyx]

yeah

[orchid hemlock]

gameslantern ussually isn't the best place to get builds from

[stable onyx]

😦

Where

[orchid hemlock]

here

like just looking at it, the chainsword is using wrong perks/blessings

unyielding on collumnus is questionable

3 toughness curios is bad, and CDR isn't very useful even if you try to spam VOC off cooldown

here is also very questionable because you are missing 2 of the best perks in the entire tree for melee

[idle swallow]

all the best builds are stored exclusively within orcka's brain, you must consume their grey matter to acquire this hidden knowledge

[orchid hemlock]

i think onslaught on collumnus is not great but I understand that for newer players it helps u deal with crushers at range

[orchid hemlock]

😎

[pine halo]

60 mobility is cool right?

if everything else is 80

does the 60 go any higher?

[last parcel]

yeah >=51 is generally all you need

[last parcel]

not in this case

[pine halo]

does that trend follow all weapons? if everything else is 80, one of them has to be 60?

[last parcel]

yup. it'll only be above 60 if you have like 80-80-80-70 max or something for the rest

[pine halo]

thanks for the clarification.

[oblique totem]

Any suggestions for the heavy sword?

[pine halo]

though I guess there are some that break that rule?

[small loom]

perk tree for recon lasgun?

[last parcel]

it's a rounding issue. some of those 80s are 79.somethings (not that it changes anything)
but while we're at it, knives can dump mobility to like 15-20 without losing a dodge (not that it matters with the current system lol)

[red robin]

so uh

does frame gen work with a fps cap?

[gloomy kestrel]

does the plasma rifle benefit from the rending strikes passive?

[tall torrent]

yes, not very much tho

[stable onyx]

can you screen shot and list an improved build based on your recommendation. You seem to know a lot 😛

[tranquil bronze]

The Mk III is the better of the two knives right?

[midnight totem]

Space Marine 2 is fun but, there are not enough enemies

[tranquil bronze]

At least SM2 balanced out some of the stuff now

[midnight totem]

a typical max level inferno mission is, maybe 1200 tyranids total, at most. usually around 900

meantime Darktide hordes exceed 2000+

[tranquil bronze]

I did notice the failure rates of Damnation right now is pretty high... but I think that's because of the many new players

[tall torrent]

mk6 is the better one

[gritty mirage]

had a 3800 kill mission yesterday on the mission with swagger lol on auric hi int, fun times

[midnight totem]

right?

[tranquil bronze]

To be fair, some of the enemies in SM2 have the strengths of primarchs

[midnight totem]

my professional vet can solo these tyranid hordes

[gritty mirage]

at this point our rejects have done some really wierd stuff lol

[tranquil bronze]

Rejects at this point may as well be immune to chaos corruption

We have done missions that would make Scions weep

[gritty mirage]

especially with so much literal daemons, how we arent tainted is beyond me, maybe the emperor protects, or we are already in nurgle's grasp

[hard cave]

in reality, I can only imagine different strike teams being sent for 1 single mission

like I doubt they're sending the same strike team out back to back lore wise

[gritty mirage]

...what happened to the #1 fan? did they turn into a groaner?

[hard cave]

no, atleast i don't think so

I think she hasn't played darktide in a minute

@limpid bough i summon thee

[limpid bough]

I have been summoned

I continue to live

[hard cave]

ok cool she's not a groaner

[limpid bough]

I simply had to serve a tour on Kadaku and Avarax

(SM2 took up too much space for my SSD so I had to sacrifice darktide for a few weeks)

[gritty mirage]

[hard cave]

they added 21st groaners as enemies for an event

[limpid bough]

I saw
Hype

[gritty mirage]

We must avenge them, bash their brains in

[limpid bough]

((I intend to requisition a second drive from Hadron to continue as both a reject and a battle brother))

[limpid bough]

Peak
Guardsman groaners cool asf

[gritty mirage]

they are very aggressive with their melee basically

about as durable as bruisers but they chase slightly faster and hit faster

[limpid bough]

Ah, so a worthy opponent then

[wet ether]

is it just me or does the vet need a passive where it allows him to reload while sprinting

[limpid bough]

My chainaxe thirsts for the blood of the heretic and the mutant

[hard cave]

just imagine a hoard replaced by faster scab bruiser with 1/30 chance for them to spawn with a helmet

[gritty mirage]

depends on what weapon you are using, or how you are spacing out your melee and ranged

sometimes reloading can be fatal in that case its melee time to clear

[limpid bough]

Sounds fun as fuck tbh
Looking forward to trying it once I get bored of the choo-choo train

[hard cave]

thatd be cool, but there's also weapon specialist which sorta does that

[hard cave]

haven't done the train yet, looks fun tho

[limpid bough]

It's so fucking good omg

[orchid hemlock]

which weapons need 60% mobility?

[hard cave]

waiting for the weekend but there's also a hurricane in my area

[gritty mirage]

train tests team cohesion and if they are paying attention

stay safe

[limpid bough]

I didn't expect it to be like 10 minutes long lmao but it's really good
Super tense, super fast paced, and oh my god the music
Jesper Kyd Glazing begin 🔥

[gritty mirage]

if you delay even half a minute in the fights, the mission will fail

it tests you fighting on the move and staying together and clearing threats

[wet ether]

i know weapon specialist does that to some extend but i'm talking a full on passive that provides that cause to me it feels like that fit right in with vet

[tranquil bronze]

Yeah this train heist is great

[limpid bough]

Yeah
I did a damnation run with a few friends and we got down to the wire at like 15 seconds left with half the team dead

That mission will fuck you up from a single mistake

We made it out still :)

[gritty mirage]

i completed auric damn twice, failed it like 8 times lol

good players know to shoot and move

the spawn is aggressive but manageable

one time fail because of crash that was bs

i lost about 2 minutes logging back in

[wet ether]

reason why i say this is because of the rolling steel mission

[hard cave]

@limpid bough 21st drip drop

[limpid bough]

DRIP ALARM

10/10

[hard cave]

the craving to play darktide is too much

[limpid bough]

I'm a larping nerd so once my Vet is level 30, I'm changing out the jacket for the 21st fatigues

[wet ether]

time is of the essence

[limpid bough]

Cause she got added to the warband

[hard cave]

I add the new backpack to my plasma gunner and he looks tad as hell

praying for more 21st cosmetics,,,

[limpid bough]

Obese carcharodon pretty please give us more 21st cosmetics 🙏

[thorny fulcrum]

what's a good build for bolter on vet?

[midnight totem]

nah, sm2 missions are about as long

[orchid hemlock]

ok

[midnight totem]

well, I'm not speed running inferno, I stick around to kill stuff. I guess maybe 25 minutes a inferno run at most

decap is much quicker, I agree on that

[ancient path]

what are ya'll slapping on bolt guns for blessings?

duno if pinning fire is worth when i spend a lot of time headshotting

I kinda want to use Cavalcade. I dont know what the point of Puncture is.

[azure stream]

does opening salvo apply to every shot of the single shot auto or just the first bullet in the mag?

[idle swallow]

bolter has a blast radius on hit when it stops cleaving and small fry near the target that stagger from the boom count for pinning fire, so it stacks max pretty much instantly if there're targets near what you're shooting

[ancient path]

oooh

neat

i just run out of ammo so dang fast

[remote grotto]

anyone know what the best or most recommended shovel is?

[last parcel]

standard issue (mk i) or vii
I has a poke special and sweeping heavies
VII has slower but still sweeping heavies, and it has a flip attack for big but risky single target damage (1 shot crusher kind of big)

III has the best flip attack but is weaker with hordes so i'd only use if you're a flip attack addict

(it's me i'm the addict)

[remote grotto]

thank you for the info! that really helped

[last parcel]

np, if you want more info there's a link to a vet guide in the pins with blessing recommendations and such

[remote grotto]

oh nice nice thank you never knew about that

[tranquil bronze]

Inquisitorial Commando

[slate hawk]

Shovel bonk my beloved

[faint beacon]

You will be subjected to 21st groaners for the next 2 weeks

damnation

[limpid bough]

The best way to avenge them is to keep doing what they do best 🙏
Fling themselves into the pit to die in a losing battle

[faint beacon]

At least they aren't this zealot

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iLg2ISrl4Lk--_hxw/d1337ZZtgawZ?invite=cr-MSxnN3csMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[wet ether]

did people forget the term gun and run for rolling steel

[limpid bough]

I've had that happen before lmao

[faint beacon]

Lmao

ANYWAYS STEEL LEGION DRIP GOES HARD RAGHHH!!!!!

[slate hawk]

Red shovel

[faint beacon]

I am going to flash my mastery for

a bit

before I get bored of it

besides I hate the stock skin for the shovel

[slate hawk]

Ye

I want the kreg shovel skin

But I didn't get it at the time because I don't like the 1st shovel

[wet ether]

by any chance was iron will nerfed or something?

[slate hawk]

I don't think so

[wet ether]

because it doesn't feel like its working

might just be the shitty servers

[faint beacon]

21st Zealot

rare sighting

[nova grove]

anyone feel like the Hot-Shot blessing for the Helbores is kinda meh? having to hit weakpoints for cleave feels very difficult, especially if you factor in your vet's height

[red robin]

lethal proximity still increase frag radius?

[midnight totem]

I think so

[inland orchid]

ya it doesnt specify which explosions it effects so it increases all of em

effects kraks too but way less noticable compared to shredder frags

[last parcel]

just checked in psyk, yeah

[fading rivet]

Haven’t tried hot-shot, but for me Hellbores are all about getting in a rythym for those headshots and charge times, takes me several matches before I’m warmed up lol

[last parcel]

it's less that headshots are hard and more that +1.5 cleave is mid

[nova grove]

I get that part, I just don't understand where Hot-Shot is supposed to fit in. a lot of the weakpoints you're hitting with a Helbore are going to be on large high-priority targets like ogryns and monstrosities. I suppose you're supposed to use that blessing with the intent of spamming into hordes

[fading rivet]

It really seems pointless to me since Hellbores already have a lot of base cleave. Super underwhelming on paper but maybe someone can crunch the numbers and find out if it’s totally useless

[last parcel]

it lets you cleave a scab bruiser if it's standing in front of a trapper or whatever
also can pen dreg rager and both elite gunners
not really useful

[nova grove]

it would probably be more useful if the blessing was triggered on full charge or crit. having the trigger being weakpoints doesn't work well due to a variety of reasons.

things like vet's height, enemy height, terrain elevations

[thick rose]

dueling sword is the one, what a joy

[midnight totem]

first test run of dueling sword

auric damn

conclusion? jesus christ vet should have never got this weapon

[near sable]

stabstabstab

[last parcel]

just casually doing half the team's damage

[thick rose]

I am a head seeking missile now

[abstract kiln]

Trying to build a recon lasgun build, which blessings am I looking for?

[viral nacelle]

So is there a good exe stance build in this brave new world?

[abstract kiln]

Perfect Ty, knew it would be dumdum but wasn’t sure about 2nd

Assumed burn wasn’t worth it

Ah

New update so nice

Can actually test things without farming and rng

[viral nacelle]

Big agree

[midnight totem]

I'm not even using a thrust, focus target build on this dueling sword

[viral nacelle]

But fuck that train mission ass mfer

[midnight totem]

I can still three or shot shot crushers

[viral nacelle]

Would be cool if it weren’t so badly timed

And if it didn’t have a shitload of ledges around the boss

[abstract kiln]

I think it’s fine for public cause a lot of dopes

[viral nacelle]

Yeah and for people who don’t live in front of their computer and shit in a sock it’d be nice if it was a couple minutes longer

[midnight totem]

if I put carapace on it, I might be able to one shot maulers on a crit headshot with uncanny

[viral nacelle]

All the pub groups I’ve seen try it have completely shat themselves

[abstract kiln]

I’ve had a few rough ones on public damnation, lost 2 of them

[midnight totem]

most pubs I've seen couldn't do it

[scarlet vessel]

still uncanny + riposte for dueling sword mk4?

[abstract kiln]

Played 4 I think

[midnight totem]

but thats because they just... don't do the objective

[viral nacelle]

The high pressure to get the objectives is completely at odds with usual pub objective of kill the mobs

[abstract kiln]

People can be slow

And waste a lot of time if they go down

[viral nacelle]

My win rate is massively lower on that mission

Lemme tell you the psyker builds that can carry it solo I don’t know

Yeah and voc is still better than half the psyker tree

I don’t personally like gunker. But yes the strongest option for psyker (not using a staff) got stronger

[midnight totem]

perma smite?

[viral nacelle]

That’s clearly a bug

Come on now

Ok then they are insane

That’s so dumb

They literally patched out OG perma smite why would they add it back

[tough flower]

Fellas what's the dump stat on plasma? I've never really used it.

[tame lichen]

[tough flower]

Oh I remember reading about this now.

Stupendous. It took 3 buys from Brunt.

[tame lichen]

I do like that with enough plasteel you can make almost any weapon viable now

The way i shouldve been from the start

[tough flower]

Would you believe I sacrificed that perfect plasma?

It's been a long day

[frank basin]

Did you?

[tough flower]

Oh it's gone

I have no idea why I wasn't paying attention

Pain

[midnight totem]

should have favorited it

[tough flower]

I should have

[bleak cradle]

Good thing almost no one who uses smite consistently builds “correctly” for it. And those of us that can/do realize it is boring/op and quickly grow tired of it

[viral nacelle]

i didnt want to say it but yea... its boring as shit

like fuck meta i just wanna chill after work before im back on the baby grind

dont make me stand there holding right click for 20m watching the sparks

[abstract kiln]

Which recon las considered best?

[tawny badger]

VIc's pretty solid

[wise wren]

question is wounds worth on curios? asking from an ogryn player

[abstract kiln]

I see XII, XIV and VIc

12 is fastest

Yea

Ok that’s what I’ve been using

Sounds annoying lol

I’ve dumped the collateral stat

Assumed that’s the least important

Stagger on this weapon seems useless at base

[sharp epoch]

Do stats go over 80/80/80/80/60 now???

[wise wren]

nah
fat shark math

theres alot of 0.5 involved

[sharp epoch]

😔

[soft solstice]

I don’t know why I like heavy sword more on vet them zealot, even though we get way less talents for it compared to zealot

[sharp epoch]

heavy sword just covers vets weakness so good, horde clear

[thick rose]

I dunno exactly what it is, maybe using knife for so long and sprint stabbing but the heavy sword killing move speed during the swing wigs me out

except other melee doesnt do it to me

[soft solstice]

But the gold shovels does that well though, I love heavy attack chains with that and it feels more effective too

The new rending blessing on the heavy sword kind of makes it feel like a light attack horde version of the shovel even though I think one of the flip shovels has a light attack horde clear

[faint beacon]

Vet Melee's are done

now Ranged

[sand zealot]

haven't had a chance to mess around with the new bolter yet, any new blessings to check out? what are yall rocking with it

[soft solstice]

I really like run and gun on it since it has a fairly accurate hipfire, just treat it like a desert eagle and tap things to the head while staying mobile

[sand zealot]

ooo that sounds cool actually

[soft solstice]

I haven’t used it much but it felt way worst at bursting down things compared to the full bolter, so you really need nice aim for it

It’s been awhile since I looked of how people built it but I want to say people were able to one tap elites and specials with it

[sand zealot]

oh hell yeah, ill check it out. thanks 😎

[soft solstice]

No idea about the other blessings on it, bleed is always nice for bosses, that close range explosion can pair with run and gun but I don’t know how useful it is

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-frank-reynolds-danny-devito-devito-this-fucking-rules-gif-5183842396850662955

[radiant chasm]

no, you want toughness, hp, and maybe a +3 stam curio depending on your build and preference (deadshot or push attack heavy melee)

no class in the game wants wound curios besides martyrdom zealot, who don't use them to go down

[frank basin]

I use +1 wound curio

Only 1

I get 3 lives as I need

[radiant chasm]

basically always better to run an hp or toughness instead cause in higher difficulties going down can be a guaranteed death anyways and it makes it harder for your team, better to just learn and adapt to not going down at all if you can help it

[frank basin]

I go down when my teammate are shitty in some way

It happen to me when there’s position where am at has some combination of ass fucking

Specially trying rev teammate

Having duo last standing can be hard with 1 wound keep me up

[soft solstice]

Yeah, you really don’t need wounds but it always feel nice to have that third wound

[frank basin]

Moment I join the game I lost 1 wound

Remain 2 safe guard me

[soft solstice]

Anything else can keep you from going down but that extra wound is just comforting

[frank basin]

3 wound just means you have too many safety net

Other wise I think if you wanna play no hp toughness boast

As some side funny

5 wounds veteran

Lmao

[faint beacon]

You know you've truly hit Veteran Main moment when you enjoy using fucking Marksman focus and still engage in melee

God this needs some sort of melee synergy and it would be perfect

[low wagon]

why 69 71? why not 60 charge rate?

I'll keep an eye out for such plasma then to compare them one day

[last parcel]

chink in their armor

[faint beacon]

I would've taken it

@last parcel We sacrifice team support for slightly better rending

[scarlet vessel]

so Rashad or Dueling Mk4 on vet now?

tired of dagger and psword

[low wagon]

What is least important stat on shock maul?

[hearty panther]

man psykers eating good rn

[faint beacon]

Psykers with... Fucking everything

[frank basin]

Are you going crabteran?

[faint beacon]

fuck no

I can hit headshots really easily so I can maintain stacks and if I need them I just crouch for like a few seconds

[frank basin]

Just pick the left side if you score headshot easily

Stack last 6 second not going to drain

By score headshot kill

[willow talon]

Wondering to use point blank or lethal proximity on my bolter pistol. Melee is duelling sword.

[winter grove]

Oh my fucking god

MY BUILDS

THEY'RE GONE

[distant umbra]

what melee weapons does vet have that they can quickly switch to?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-stan-twitter-cat-disappear-disappearing-meme-gif-25606316

[gilded wraith]

So... stockpiled a ton of weapons, once I pick out the Favorites, is sacrifice the best use of the rest?

[cedar harness]

I just use the sapper shovel

[gilded wraith]

Is it worth leveling up items to a certain color before I sacrifice for mastery xp?

[frank basin]

Sacrifice green weapon same class as you want level them

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, is there a better use for the other rarities?

[frank basin]

Get gold one can be expensive that level up bigger

As sacrifice same class weapon

[distant umbra]

yeah i only use the power sword cause it’s cool, but in higher levels i need a faster option paired with my boltgun

[frank basin]

Boltpistol

[distant umbra]

purple and gold you get plasteel and diamantine

[distant umbra]

good idea

[frank basin]

There’s the refund on sacrifice gold or purple?

[distant umbra]

no, selling

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, thanks for the advice!

[frank basin]

Oh

[frank basin]

That’s make easier

[distant umbra]

i dont think it’s 1:1 tho

[soft solstice]

I only really notice switch speed for stuff like the bolter and helbore las, I feel like just about everything else has a good enough swap speed

[distant umbra]

i use the bolter and power sword and it’s extremely noticeable between effective attacks

[soft solstice]

That’s mostly with having to wait for the charge, something with heavy attacks you can spam like the shovel or with light attack horde clear like knife or tact axe works, and now heavy and dueling sword

[distant umbra]

i was thinking about trying out the heavy sword, is it good at horde clear?

[soft solstice]

They should all be able to deal with that well enough, just a matter of what you want in terms of feel and blessings

[winter grove]

It is, but sucks against armor

[soft solstice]

That’s the main thing it has, it’s lights are pretty pretty and made for hordes, it has a lot of cleave with a ton of blessings to make it cleave more or buff the damage it has; but it’s like of weak and can’t deal with armor too well

[distant umbra]

boltgun

[winter grove]

And there's no uncanny on it

[winter grove]

That includes flak

[soft solstice]

I think the special is better for armor but it’s a bit slow to come out and doesn’t kill them fast either

[distant umbra]

my 25% dmg against flak armor would like to speak with you

also i never have really liked uncanny strike

[soft solstice]

All heavy swords have anti horde lights, one has anti horde heavies and the other two have single target ones that I don’t think is as good as the single target damage for pretty much all the other weapons i suggested

But it’s simple to use, has fair mobility and some options with the blessings

[distant umbra]

all i want is something that can counteract my clunky boltgun that is also almost as good as the power sword

[austere mica]

Mk7 has versatile heavies

Or at least one of them is

[cedar harness]

In my experience, at least as far as Heresy, the sapper shovel's alternate mode can stunlock crushers and maulers while it's normal attacks paired with impact blessing can toss around mobs

[distant umbra]

love me shovel, simple as

[soft solstice]

Though unless you get some really good blessings on it, I want to say its not as good on vet when not running melee, that swing speed and crit bonuses bring it up a lot, but I guess 30% headshot bonus on the left side can also do it alot of good

[cedar harness]

Blessed be thy shovel

[soft solstice]

Shovel’s great, though I still miss my sixth dodge

[cedar harness]

I usually run versatile builds, ones that can handle big dudes and mobs alike

I rarely diverge into specialist builds

[soft solstice]

Middle tree with ammo aura always felt like the best way to play vet to me

It’s the build where I change up my weapon selection a lot since a lot feels nice on it

[distant umbra]

i usually run the revolver, boltgun, or laser pistol. But now that there’s a bolt pistol i may switch it up

[odd wind]

What does Rising Heat blessing for plasma do? It only mentions 20% LOL i dont know if it increases power or damage

[tall torrent]

Strength

[tawny badger]

It does up to 20% based on heat scaling

[tropic notch]

is out for blood good on vet?

or the new skill one motion?

[tall torrent]

Gain 4% R.str at 19 / 37 / 55 / 73 / 91% heat (max +20%)

[tall torrent]

It’s decent but CK is usually still higher scaling for auric

[soft solstice]

Is out for blood 5% more toughness gain on kill?

[tall torrent]

Honestly I thought it’d be really good but the effect is quite minimal

[tall torrent]

It’s +5% toughness for every kill regardless of source

So melee kills become 10%

Ranged & DOT kills all give back 5%

[tropic notch]

yeah thats what i figured

just had some extra points

[soft solstice]

I feel like that’s a nice, not as good as some of the stuff zealot gets but it’s a nice bit of sustain in melee and everything else is just icing, nice to top off and counter range chip

One motion I don’t think is worth it unless you’re using a bolter or helbore, everything else I feel doesn’t need it but if you like it than go for it. I guess it might also let you throw grenades faster which is the one reason why I don’t use them much

[cedar harness]

Oh yea speaking of Bolter, I dunno what to put on the Spearhead Bolter

Like, stats wise, it's great. I just dunno what to spec it with its perks or blessings

What do you guys recommend?

[thick needle]

Shattering Impact and Gloryhunter

Anyone know what the meta is rn for curio blessings

[thick needle]

This is the Bolter I use, been running Damnation real easy with it

[earnest bone]

5% Toughness
20% Gunner Resist
Free slot, can be anything from 5% max health, 30% toughness gen (only if you arent engaging a lot in melee) or stamina gen (for stamina-heavy usage builds like Deadshot or knife)

[full nacelle]

are there any headhunter/vigilant autogun fans in chat?

I really don't get the appeal but they're the only guns I don't have a build for

[dusky raven]

I do t have any blessings

Werent they supposed to stay?

[earnest bone]

Masteries tab in your operative UI

[thick needle]

Blessings on the weapon stay
The blessings in your bank were eaten for your masteries

[radiant chasm]

Not toughness regen speed

Vet has great toughness regen talents and voc as well

[soft river]

did they fuck with helbore iron sights?

[radiant chasm]

The only class spec i think that can run toughness regen is pure gluggers who dont take the heavy melee toughness feats

Lets them engage the range game as a juggernaut

[remote grotto]

what are good blessings and perks for the duelling sword? gonna be trying it out with weapon specialist

[flat crypt]

Oh yes

[radiant chasm]

For vet? I’d take precog thrust or like precog riposte

[earnest bone]

Psykers that are afraid of melee'ing can use it too

[radiant chasm]

Maybe uncanny if you aren’t grabbing rending on tree

[radiant chasm]

It doesn’t matter psyker has great toughness regen

[flat crypt]

just a sec

[full nacelle]

Which one you use? I feel like they're just a worse infantry autogun when I tried them

[radiant chasm]

You have to force yourself to not have a ton of toughness regen talents on psyker on purpose

[cedar harness]

Hoo... thanks!

[thick needle]

You'll also want to do this for the start of your tree

[remote grotto]

thank you! how bout perks?

[radiant chasm]

For toughness regen curios you need basically all three A) insanely good toughness regen that is easy to pick B) does not prefer to engage in melee and C) has coherency boosts in it’s path

[cedar harness]

Ah right.. the weapon swap is crucial for the Bolter

[radiant chasm]

Pure glugger checks all of those

[thick needle]

As long as you don't reload at zero, you can consistently hit a -55% reload speed

Which is about as fast as an autogun

[radiant chasm]

Psyker may be b and c, but they certainly aren’t a

[gritty zenith]

Whats the shocktrooper build, im trying to level my recon

this is my current recon

Since im only level 8 mastery

And its what I had

[inland orchid]

Seems beautiful to me

[gritty zenith]

alright ill give it a hoon

[earnest bone]

can you get Dumdum to level 3?

if yes, replace deathspitter

[gritty zenith]

Cool just did that, is it the right mk?

[thorn lark]

Reloading on autogun is the worst

[restive rock]

I’ve had lots of fun on my Cadian build, which is unexpected

I used to really dislike the left hand side of the veteran tree, but I use it for my cadian
He’s got a lasgun and a cadian chainsword

The keystone can seem kinda eh, but being able to wipe out elites and ALSO have a decent horde clearing weapon is really versatile

[austere mica]

I like right side a lot

Left is ok

Mid is hellish because VoC

[earnest bone]

These new stupid names, but i assume it's old MK7a, both MK VId and MK VIIa are fine

[restive rock]

I’m struggling with the right side honestly

[restive rock]

I really like VoC, mostly because of the voice lines lol

I just feel cool using it

[austere mica]

I hate VoC because it removes the consequences of my actions

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II -> Recon Mk VIc
Recon Mk VId -> Recon Mk XII
Recon Mk VIIa -> Recon Mk XIV

[restive rock]

But yeah, sometimes the right side can seem like a weaker stealth zealot?
I try to use weapons specialist too, but idk. It seems like you’re meant to use a shotgun for it, but I don’t find them very effective

[restive rock]

Yeahh, I feel like lots of things are like that though

[earnest bone]

@gritty zenithgo for XII or XIV

[austere mica]

Right side stealth is up to 16 seconds of peace

[restive rock]

Stealth abilities, ogryn bomb, stuff like that

[austere mica]

It’s a repositioning and objectives tool

Not for violence

[earnest bone]

why would they do these renames in the first place

something like Rashad MK2 -> MK3

looks extremely stupid

and pointless

[austere mica]

And weapon spec is designed for small mag weapons

Dbarrel makes use of it best

Use Manstopper and whatever else you like

Pair with a single target melee

[restive rock]

Yeah it’s good, but I can’t really see why to bring it instead of stealth zealot

[somber axle]

The tinfoil hat theory is that Games Workshop got involved to make things more lore accurate and the original naming schemes went against lore but tbh I have no idea I just enjoy the Recon Mk II transforming into the Recon Mk Sexy and now the Recon Mk VIIa is playing Recon Mk FFXIV

Recon Mk VId -> Recon Mk XII is easy to remember for me because they're my fav

invent memes to memories

[austere mica]

Because it lets you stay uninterrupted doing whatever for 16 seconds

[earnest bone]

Welp, if it's GS, then it's understandable, i just hope it's not someone's stupid fling or something

[austere mica]

As opposed to zealots 6, with a modifier

[restive rock]

I was using combat shotgun, I think I’ll try DB

[austere mica]

Combat shotgun can get use, it’s just awkward

Only the special shells make good use of it

[restive rock]

Sure but like, I feel like if I need 16 seconds of no enemies, my team probably does too
So other than reviving, I feel kinda bad just sat there in stealth

[austere mica]

It’s great for batteries and interrogators

Or, more recently, disarming bombs

[restive rock]

Yeah that’s fair

[austere mica]

And the 10 seconds of low profile after stealth lets you absolutely lay in to enemies of your choice

[restive rock]

Other thing with weapons specialist is that I switch weapons for no reason kinda reflexively lol so I end up wasting it

Like just as I move around

Actually, does WS sit in reserve? Or do the stacks tick down with time? I don’t remember

[austere mica]

It stays until you switch

Only starts decaying after you activate the stacks

[somber axle]

It depends on how you use the 16 seconds. Think of it like MMORPG rules. If the others are "tanking" and you use that time to "heal" (get off a revive) or "DPS" (kill a shit ton of problems like snipers, trappers, bombers, etc. with your ranged weapon without needing to swap melee for poxwalkers) you've used the time to benefit the team

wait I just remembered it's 18 seconds

[sick crystal]

hey guys sorry if its been asked abunch already but any recommendations for perks and blessings on the Mk IX Lasgun? I've been running +25% damage to flak and maniacs. I've also been using no respite and headhunter

[placid portal]

I miss old names

[meager topaz]

What blessings should I got for shotguns?

[restive rock]

I tend to use it to get up to entrenched ranged enemies

But that’s the thing. My stealth zealot can do that within 6 seconds, and I feel like the benefits of her melee outweigh the stealth vet

[somber axle]

Stealth Zealot is like an assassin. The stealth is purely for quickly repositioning and striking one target to get back into the thick of things
Stealth Vet is easy mode because you've got way more time between stealth and Low Profile

Low Profile sets up Vet for some breathing room to shoot when it needs to take care of the three Tox Bombers that no one is able to look at because of the endless numbers of hordes, ragers, maulers and crushers in the team's face

Or to do the funny flappy bird objective to progress

If you're playing stealth Vet like stealth Zealot then infiltrate is not going to fulfill that melee assassin role

it's just putting you in position for melee and once you've run off away from the team to get into the ranged line it's not doing anything

(unless you grab Hunter's Resolve or Surprise Attack)

[iron rose]

Anyone got tips to getting used to the Helbore? I normally use the Recom Lasgun on Vet but i wanna try something different, the Helbore seems Ok but the sights are Heresy on the emperors name

[restive rock]

Yeah, I should try using it like that

I do like VoC a lot though

The middle line is my favourite because I think it really leans into that commander role

[somber axle]

Plus it's like

[restive rock]

Like all the perks for really well for the theme

[somber axle]

Infiltrate can have up to 2 charges ready at any time, Shroud is only the one (with CD reduced by whatever Zealot CD reduction thing you picked)

So you can play ambulance, force a map to progress when you're stuck at an objective in a fight (very good for the new train map imo) or get the hordes out of the way to focus down higher priority threats

It's more utility/defensive, Zealot's is way more offensive

though you can also still use Infiltrate + Surprise Attack for a funny 1HKO on a Crusher LOL

it's just not something Infiltrate Vets touch because SA is so short

[restive rock]

What’s surprise attack do again? Lol

[last parcel]

+30% damage for 5s after leaving stealth

[restive rock]

Ah right nice

[somber axle]

no one picks it up though because usually you already want either Low Profile or Hunter's Resolve, lots of people also like Overwatch for the extra charge and if you take Surprise Attack too you're already investing too many points into your ability

[last parcel]

i am no one

[somber axle]

plus the uptime is abysmal (but it is REALLY fun)

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/howard-hamlin-who-are-you-lalo-better-call-saul-lalo-salamanca-gif-26069274

[somber axle]

I've used it a little bit for funny tac axe shenanigans

but it's silly using it for breakpoints (unless you just REALLY enjoy assassin gameplay but don't want to play Zealot)

[full nacelle]

what are the best blessings on the mkvi combat blade?

[austere mica]

Uncanny + precognition, unless you run serrated blade, then you replace precog with mercy killer

[full nacelle]

gotcha! thank you

hmmm so I'm doing some testing

one of my builds can oneshot a crusher with a charged up shovel special

the other one can not

and I have no idea why

I'm using almost all of the same talents

and the ones that are different shouldn't affect the breakpoint

[cedar harness]

Blessed be thy shovel

[full nacelle]

I really don't get it

[trim breach]

finally bothered to attempt this and I did get it first try in a pub lobby

[full nacelle]

grats!

get that helmet soldier

[tame basalt]

jelly mad

still working on mine...

[trim breach]

will try

[full nacelle]

best way to do it is just to take a revolver into a mission

shoot a bunch of slow dumb pox walkers that you can't miss until you're empty

and then NEVER touch it or any ammo

[austere mica]

Make every shot count was really easy when I realized my accuracy with weapon spec dbarrel was basically 100% always and I just dumped my ammo at the end of a mission

[trim breach]

thats what I did, though a teammate had survivalist but that didn't bothered me one bit

[cedar harness]

How do you carry on with the rest of the mission? Be a pseudo-zealot?

[trim breach]

kinda

[austere mica]

Just dump in the finale

[trim breach]

just voice of command spam

[austere mica]

Missions that end with a boss are great

[full nacelle]

I'd get too nervous trying to dump every shot in the last fight

[trim breach]

and the occasional ammo from teammate's survivalist allowed me to take out specialists

[cedar harness]

I see

[trim breach]

a plague ogryn did spawn on that run so I dumped like 40 rounds into it and the rest into fodder

[cedar harness]

Gonna try that on low intensity just to make it easier

[trim breach]

i did mine on regular, no modifiers

[full nacelle]

god I wish shotguns had gotten a buff this patch...

they still feel clunky

[cedar harness]

Am gonna do what ya'll said to dump on regs and save some rounds for the occassional specialist

And then channel my inner Saltzpyre

[full nacelle]

just make sure you empty them before you finish the mission

good luck ❤️

I don't get why the devs hate the idea of the shotguns playing like actual shotguns

[fair blade]

What’s a good roll for a high damage plasma gun

And also is the dueling sword good on vet?

[tall torrent]

80 damage
80 stopping power
80 ammo
70~71 charge rate
69~70 thermal resist

Is the perfect roll condition

[fair blade]

Blessings?

[tall torrent]

Rising heat + gets hot imo

[fair blade]

Alright

[thick needle]

I just dump charge rate and max everything else

[tall torrent]

Perks elite + maniac

[thick needle]

Charging usually isn't super worth it

[tall torrent]

Charge rate influences ur uncharged shots’ firerate

It’s a feel thing

[thick needle]

Ah

[tall torrent]

Thermal resist above 69% don’t do anything extra

[thick needle]

See this is why I favor Zarona or Bolter

[fair blade]

I just love the feel of the plasma