veteran-class

[thorny girder]

Going into work

[west walrus]

I'm working from home.

You should try it.

It's pretty good.

Lol

[thorny girder]

I'm going into the military in like 3 weeks, cant

[west walrus]

Wow. What a time to be in the military...

[thorny girder]

Also, big ogryn main so wanted to try something new

[west walrus]

Roger that.

[thorny girder]

Air force, not gonna be on the field

[west walrus]

Things get bad enough you might. Lol.

[thorny girder]

Nahhhh

[slow spade]

Bolt pistol with Lethal and running a nade spam build is fun

[thorny girder]

Working in planes

[west walrus]

"What do we have left to throw at them?"
"Air force desk jockies sir!"

[west walrus]

You gonna tell that to the Commodore?

[terse idol]

Let's be real, they'd send ALL of the infantry before they consider sending the chairforce

Logistics is HUGE

[hasty otter]

I work with planes too.

Good luck vambriss

[thorny girder]

Yeah

[terse idol]

[primal remnant]

how do people feel about hit and run

[thorny girder]

Aircraft electrical and environmental systems

[hasty otter]

Avionics

🫡

[thorny girder]

Real

[hasty otter]

I am not in usaf though

[thorny girder]

Real

[tame lodge]

Optional/Situational

It's a safe option

But there's better you know

[trim steppe]

I like it on an agri brauto but that's about it

One thing I've never heard anyone say about Hit&Run is that it helps you support an objective point. The hab dreyko tree can be a clusterfuck. I had hit and run on my agri brauto and was able to shoot specials before they could interfere with my teammate working on the tree, and all the melee guys around us cowered the whole time and left him alone. Clutched a really tight situation

But yeah its really niche, there's usually better options

[flat pebble]

it’s irresponsible. if u get into a collision the adult thing to do is to stay and assume responsibility and see the situation through

[inner lava]

any ranged weps that are just bad now?

[primal remnant]

Hit and run is the one that makes you immune to ranged attacks on close range kill

[trim steppe]

Well, um, hey look over there!

Yeah I was thinking about terrifying barrage. Nvm carry on

[primal remnant]

I would love terrifying barrage on my recon lasgun though

the main frustration I experience with it is 2 pox walkers running up to me while I'm hosing a doorway and I have to stop hosing the doorway or die

[trim steppe]

Many many moons ago I used hit and run (for real) on a build so that i could walk through a room of shooters and execute them. it was fun but not the most effective

it was back in the day before the class rework when exec stance gave you 50% DR

[primal remnant]

uhhhhh thats not supposed to happen

[trim steppe]

You found the first red weapon, nice

[flat pebble]

i mean the autopistol and kourk stubber are still bottom barrel guns

not really a “now” situation tho they been that way

plasma got a stealth nerf to bulwark shield pen but they’re still great obviously

[inner lava]

how's bolter

[ashen hollow]

Anyone know where to find new builds now that the update is out

[inner lava]

and what perks for the plasma

[flat pebble]

beautiful simply beautiful

[grand perch]

still iffy on the plasma vs shield nerf. i hope it was unintended, cause if they wanna nerf plasma, that wasnt where they should start

[ashen hollow]

Made some already but I want to make sure mine are optimized

[trim steppe]

flak elite probably

[flat pebble]

conceptually it feels wrong for a plasma to not go through a scrap metal shield but it’s not the worst start if they’re trying to bring down the plasma a bit

[grand perch]

no it is

it was a unique selling point of the gun, something interesting.

the uncharged shot is where they need to look at

[flat pebble]

i mean as far as nerfs go yes they could absolutely do worse lol

it still shoots through most other things, just not bulwark shields on lights now

and as far as I’m aware charged shots now explode on bulwark shields altho haven’t tested it

[tall torrent]

elite +flak/maniac

I tested after patch

[frank ether]

they should have completely gutted light cleave

[tall torrent]

rising heat actually gives u flamer bodyshot with maniac

[south vessel]

is Rolling Thunder harder than normal missions, or are there just a bunch of new folk trying the Auric version? I feel like it may be the latter

[tall torrent]

flak gives both gunner bodyshot 1 hit

[junior haven]

Anyone noticing if power sword special is different now? I feel like my charge keeps dissipating more than it used to.

[tall torrent]

and scab mauler 2 bodyshot with 1 crit (far more consistent than without)

it's up to preference imo

[atomic zephyr]

rolling thunder is a new mission and people are still getting used to it
on top of that, it plays very differently from the rest of darktide

[candid agate]

whats best blessing for duelling sword along with uncanny

[tall torrent]

precog/thrust imo

[candid agate]

ty

[blazing notch]

🤔

80/80/80/80...61?

[flat pebble]

did you test light cleave stat yet

[junior haven]

Patch notes already mentioned the 1 degree is just a bug.

[flat pebble]

rounding errors go brrrrrr

[junior haven]

Today's patch notes even.

[tall torrent]

yea, 50

tested last night

after 5 maulers it stops

[flat pebble]

🤙

[tall torrent]

it's still more than enough

[flat pebble]

good to know

[grand perch]

i went with uncanny / agile on Mk IV and precog/agile on the other 2, whats your take on that?

[tall torrent]

since carapace blocks cleave entirely, there's still no reason to use charged shots

unless u can somehow get 5+ maulers to line up into a death funnel

[tall torrent]

agile is fun

[blazing notch]

Good to know. Any idea if its actually 60% or some other random value?

[flat pebble]

i mean it happens sometimes I guess

that and scab ragers

[tall torrent]

usually it's 3~4 line up at best and they're spread a little bit

[flat pebble]

chances are the 61 is 61 and one or two other stats are 79 rounded up

[grand perch]

also no idea what perks and blessings work best for heavy sword on vet, so i went with maniac + flak and deathblow + headtaker for all of them

[junior haven]

#📢news-bulletin message

[flat pebble]

but it could kinda be any combination of those things

[tall torrent]

it's around 60%
weird rounding problem, still godroll anyway

[blazing notch]

NOOOOOOOO lmao

[tall torrent]

79 vs 80 makes no difference on like every weapon lol

[flat pebble]

yeah it’s a non issue

[blazing notch]

I know I know, just would be cool to have a stupidly perfect roll lol

Destiny player mindset sadly

[gilded wraith]

I'm being lazy and had a mastery question. So I have my combat axes at max. I've focused on the blessings that I value. If a patch changes/nerfs a blessing, is there a way to reallocate blessing points?

[atomic zephyr]

destiny players when i tell them they dont need the morbius grip for a godroll

[blazing notch]

https://tenor.com/view/emojedie-gif-22495013

[atomic zephyr]

i have been wondering about this

[gilded wraith]

I didn't see a clear cut way... but I've only been looking for about 2 minutes.

[grand perch]

i dont understand, if you have mastery maxed, you should have enough blessing points to unlock all?

[lyric dock]

Yeah

[atomic zephyr]

oh yeah true

nvm

[lyric dock]

Just swap over to another blessing

Locks are a thing of the past

[tall torrent]

no

but u can get to mastery20 super easily

so it's rly not a big deal

[gilded wraith]

Okay, so level 20 is enough points to max every blessing?

[wise trout]

So... With the new system it's possible to change both perks and both blessings?

[flat pebble]

yes

yes

[wise trout]

Amazing.

[lyric dock]

Yes and Yes

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, that removes that issue, thanks!

[flat pebble]

you can also change marks on weapons freely

[lyric dock]

No longer should you worry about locks

[wise trout]

I am so glad I didn't scrap it before the update lol.

[lyric dock]

And it takes a handful of attempts to get a good ideal stat spread on a weapon

[tall torrent]

except electrokinatic staff
which gets 4 extra points because it's bugged

[slow spade]

The millions of dockets spent compared to the 50k I spent yesterday for a perfect plasma

[flat pebble]

I try not to think about it

[grand perch]

its just money

[lyric dock]

Glad I kept mine as well

[blazing notch]

yeah just spent 60k dockets on a god roll sapper shovel, spend probably 3 million this week prior to patch lol

all good though, easy come easy go

[flat pebble]

yeah I mean it’s hard to complain now

[tall torrent]

Btw I think perfect plasma now is
Gets hot + Rising heat
Elite + maniac

[blazing notch]

right?

[wise trout]

My goodness... I love possibility to upgrade stats to the cap...

[flat pebble]

im swimming in mats and ordos now and weapons are simple as hell to craft god rolls of

[idle swallow]

Actually Buildcrafting now instead of praying for any good roll

[lyric dock]

Indeed

It feels so good to have the weapon you want and the ability to mess around with perk and blessings without being scared of locks

No more 🧱

[flat pebble]

i was just thinking about this gun, is stability even meaningful on it

could you just max out mobility for the increased sprint speed

[idle swallow]

unfortunately have to retire all the brick/gambling darktide pics I have

[tall torrent]

Swap infernus to ghost, Crit chance to unarmored/flak for MkX laspistol

[slow spade]

Might as well give it a go

[tall torrent]

Potentially dum dum to concentrated fire (?)

Concentrated fire is ass on mk2

[slow spade]

Crit on a 600 base damage gun can't be a bad idea

[lyric dock]

I actually like Infernus tbh

[flat pebble]

gets you to OHK reapers which is fun

yeah infernus elevates laspistol to silly boss damage gun

[slow spade]

Without unyielding? Interesting

[lyric dock]

And extra crit chance is more chances at free las shots

[tall torrent]

Rising heat is +4% R.power at
19 - 37 - 55 - 73 - 91% heat

Which enables u to get
Both flamer 1 bodyshot non-crit
Dreg rager 1HS

[flat pebble]

haven’t tested recently to be sure but my daily driver pre patch was an 80/80 damage stopping power flak maniac roll and on crits I would OHK reapers on headshot ya

[idle swallow]

Infernus isn't worth it on the mkX laspistol, even on mk2 it's a lesser pick compared to most other blessings

[flat pebble]

I can’t remember which mark # is the slow and high ROF laspistols tbh

[idle swallow]

X is slow, II is fast

[slow spade]

Ah will have to look at it, I get those bps but only with Focus Target

[slow spade]

Can't go wrong with that

[tall torrent]

FT doesn’t give flamer 1 bodyshot even with maniac

[flat pebble]

rip this means 80 heat resist is a trap at 18% heat regen per shot

[tall torrent]

It’s like 50 damage off

[slow spade]

It feels weird being able to try weird builds

[tall torrent]

No

[flat pebble]

wouldn’t activate until the third shot no?

[tall torrent]

U just need 69% or higher thermal resist

[slow spade]

Probably some other stuff then, as I hit it

[tall torrent]

At minimal FT bonus (redirect x5 + FT x2) it’s off by like 50 damage

At higher FT stacks applied it’ll 1 shot

[flat pebble]

if you had less than 80% heat resist you’d be at 19% per shot which would mean the power bonus would be active in the second shot

[tall torrent]

But I only care abt the minimum

[slow spade]

Oh I run Fire Team on plasma that'd probably put it over the edge 🤔

[tall torrent]

You’d need both 5% ranged damage nodes, fire team and redirect fire

But that’s some CBT level pathing

[slow spade]

Not sure then

Don't have access to my computer for pics :c

But I'll try a crit plasma

[karmic sphinx]

Is the acctran mk VId gone? or does it have a new name

[slow spade]

Been running Blaze Away + (+20% power based on hear)

[flat pebble]

cognitive behavioral therapy : )

[tall torrent]

Crit plasma would be
Gets hot + power blast

[delicate hornet]

its the mk XII now

[tall torrent]

Power blast is +10% crit chance for every uncharged shot, up to +25% crit chance for charged shot

Can be fun but

[slow spade]

Rip ammo

[tall torrent]

I think rising heat giving u actual breakpoints is better than 10% crit chance

[slow spade]

I usually run pretty hot in aurics so was thinking about running hot

But I haven't really tested extensively

[red robin]

Yeah

Ngl

[slow spade]

Mostly been using "tried and true" builds so I can try the new map

[red robin]

Plasma needs its left click spam safety trigger removed

[flat pebble]

plus with every major patch the need to hard carry your team goes way up

[red robin]

Then again

[tall torrent]

TLDR it’s
Elite (mandatory
Flak / maniac (both help)
Gets hot (mandatory)
Rising heat / gloryhunter / power blast (based on preference)

[candid agate]

man the CIA is a friggin laser beam with executioner stance

[slow spade]

Yeah I'm surprised Plasma hasn't been touched yet

[red robin]

That punishes new players and skilled players will just overcome that limitation

[flat pebble]

rip blaze away supremacy

[red robin]

I don’t like the idea of new players having their fun nerfed

[tall torrent]

It was overrated anyways

[slow spade]

To be fair, Blaze Away is still perfectly fine

Its just not optimal

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s just worse than rising heat now

[flat pebble]

the build crafter has logged on

[red robin]

That’s how they look

[tall torrent]

Rising heat basically replaces blaze away in a way that doesn’t need u to magdump to get breakpoints

[tame lodge]

So heat good
Instead of shooting shooting shooting

[tall torrent]

It’s easier to upkeep

Blaze away has higher potential in magdump but

Rising heat is 10x easier to benefit from

[red robin]

Idk man, I’d rather just pop a guy up front than stack something that falls off when most threats are gone

[flat pebble]

which is also to say blaze away is better for monsters

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[tall torrent]

Yes
But magdumping monster on plasma is

[flat pebble]

yeah it’s not ideal to say the least

but I usually run silly fun melees with my plasma

[tall torrent]

U need like 25% unyielding + blaze away to do decent damage and 25% unyielding is competing vs perks that actually help u kill important things better

[flat pebble]

i ran maniac unyielding for a bit and with focus target, long shot and some of the flat damage buff talents I didn’t have any issues

[misty lance]

what is biggest power lvl for profane weapon now?

[slow spade]

I have some 500s

[flat pebble]

Rating goes up to 500 now, perks and blessings not factored in anymore

[blazing notch]

All that stress 2 days ago just for the update to give me this lol

[slow spade]

I find it weird it goes to 500 when the stat cap is still 380

[misty lance]

so i should focus more on modificators?

[red robin]

So can anyone ballpark the plasteel spent from 350 to 500

[flat pebble]

yeah idgi either

[inner lava]

bolter perks and blessings bois?

[blazing notch]

all dockets i think

[slow spade]

About 130 plasteel * 15

Its pretty expensive

[flat pebble]

i do flak unyielding surg pinning fire on vet, surg puncture probably is good too

[red robin]

I see

[blazing notch]

you paid plasteel for enpowers?

[red robin]

Ohh

Yeah

[slow spade]

Yeah

[red robin]

Gotta get my 80/80/80/80/60 up there

[blazing notch]

Why did my shovel only make me spend dockets

[slow spade]

I had good stuff with high stats

[slow spade]

Idk I upgraded a profane item too

So its not rarity

[flat pebble]

you sure?

[blazing notch]

Yeah I just bought a bunch of shovels to eat for mastery xp and it was only 4k dockets/ea

let me try and find another example

[lunar jasper]

Finally being able to use T4 Power Cycler, good days
Praise the Omnissiah

[slow spade]

I'm surprised I didn't see more vets using power sword

I was expecting more people to try the rarer blessings

[blazing notch]

dude am i tripping rn

[slow spade]

I even brought a Rashad build to cover them :c

[lunar jasper]

I love my Kriegsman build though, shnovel with hellbore

[red robin]

God speed

[blazing notch]

I had 7k plasteel before upgrading a ton of them to green to sacrifice, then upgraded the groll to Transcendent, and now I have 2.9k plasteel

[lunar jasper]

Need a Revolver build though, not sure which blessings to use apart from Surgical

[red robin]

Handcannon and surgical

[primal remnant]

BEEP BOOP FUCK THE RED TEAM

[slow spade]

Take a look at Handcannon

Its "balanced"

[sour elbow]

how exactly do the catachan swords work? I mean I know they're defensive/riposte style weapons, you do the special ability to riposte for massive damage, sure

[flat pebble]

handcannon surgical, always

[sour elbow]

But... what stats matter?

I mean damage seems pretty pointless

[red robin]

I member the 100% rending times

[flat pebble]

dump mobility

[lunar jasper]

Isn’t handcannon rending on crit?

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-member-memberberries-south-park-i-remember-oh-yeah-gif-20408218

[blazing notch]

😳

[slow spade]

Yeah

[lunar jasper]

[red robin]

Damage affects finesse curve on ranged weapons and it’s really good on high base damage guns like plasma gun and double barrel

[flat pebble]

the damage tanner has done to this community is incalculable

[sour elbow]

Okay fine I'll rephrase; the damage stat does barely anything for the attacks it lists. We all know 'Clearly explaining weapon stats and mechanics' and 'Darktide' are not on speaking terms.

Which is why I'm here asking how the sword works and what is important for it

[lunar jasper]

Anything but mobility, if you’ve got at least 50 from what I’ve heard you’re chillin

[blazing notch]

Lmao, you're a bit too real for that last remark haha

[hardy marlin]

i think I just watched a tier list vid by an angry dude named tanner. same guy?

[jolly cave]

I haven't played in a while, I see the vet survivalist perk got a 5 second cooldown now which seems brutal. Is the helbore with shock trooper still really good for ammo economy?

[flat pebble]

it’s a finesse weapon, which needs good base damage to add to

[red robin]

You to me

[slow spade]

You want Collateral to be low so you can headshot easier

[blazing notch]

Their facebook relationship status is 'complicated'

[red robin]

Yeah

[primal remnant]

thats actually 900iq

[tall torrent]

Dump cleave target as long as it can get over 51%

[lunar jasper]

79%

[tall torrent]

Everything else get as high as possible

[primal remnant]

yeah thats what I was actually pointing out, big mad over that

[red robin]

What’s collateral?

[sour elbow]

Right, sounds like this is pretty great then, stat wise.

[slow spade]

Yeah the vets here have been really helpful for the small things like that lol

[primal remnant]

stagger values

[red robin]

Does that actually affect headshot rate?

Oooo

Stagger missing

[slow spade]

If you stagger, their head moves

[lunar jasper]

I would show my godroll PSword but no send images yet

[red robin]

I thought it was latency and input delay

Game needs buttery smooth frames man

[primal remnant]

Hello? Brunt? My absolute boy????

[red robin]

Performance update is next please oh please

[flat pebble]

I’ll take that off ur hands pal

[slow spade]

Holy shit Brunt is listening in

[lunar jasper]

[red robin]

Monster hunter desire sensor

[slow spade]

God I remember the launch days when Kantreal lasgun was the best Vet gun

[blazing notch]

I think our Brunts are colluding

[hardy marlin]

are dagger builds still a thing?

[slow spade]

But hit reg kept fucking with the Kantreal lol

[lunar jasper]

Zealot knife build go brrr

[slow spade]

Yes

[hardy marlin]

also, is it still a gamble on how the stats fill out?

[sour elbow]

how's this one versus my previous one?

[candid agate]

is it any good on vet? knives i mean

[blazing notch]

I swear Brunt is bugged, no way everyone is all of a sudden getting hit with god roll stat line weapons

[slow spade]

Yes but its 100x easier now

[red robin]

Noosphere going wild today

[lunar jasper]

Yes but you have more control for building it

[primal remnant]

the plasteel grind continues

[lunar jasper]

I’ve seen some people going crazy with the dueling sword but not the knife. Seems the DSword is much better for Vet

[slow spade]

I don't care, whatever they fed Brunt, they should keep feeding him it

[hardy marlin]

ive been using the ds currently, it feels great

[slow spade]

Knife has been good for months

[blazing notch]

brunt got slab's rations 😂

[hardy marlin]

heavy with the special poke is free kill solo

[lunar jasper]

Zealot Charge with DSword makes brain happy

[slow spade]

So its just everyone has already discussed the hell out of it

[candid agate]

yeah knife just doesnt hit enough enemies or do enough damage for me, back to sacrificing weapons for duelling sword i guess

[slow spade]

Mk3 power sword + Sunder 😎

[hardy marlin]

whats a good, well rounded gun to take in with a melee heavy DS build?

[slow spade]

Plasma lol

[red robin]

Duelling sword is knife with crazier blessings

Agile and thrust insane

[hardy marlin]

plasma is still just too op to not take?

[slow spade]

It literally got buffed

[hardy marlin]

why

[blazing notch]

Imho the Agrip Mk 1 Infantry Auto (or whatever the fk it got renamed to)

[south garnet]

first brunt buy on vet

[slow spade]

Funny c:

[south garnet]

interesting

[blazing notch]

REAL

[candid agate]

everything is good imo, just some weapons are harder to build for than others

[red robin]

Is cleave damage dump?

I wanna fish for an MK 4 too

[primal remnant]

I've never used the plasma, is this a good one to build on?

[south garnet]

dueling sword cleave sucks donkey nards so imo yea

[slow spade]

It has bad cleave to begin with

[red robin]

Aight

[blazing notch]

careful, this one is almost certainly a 79/79/80/80/62 with rounding errors

[red robin]

Mobility creep time

[hardy marlin]

papa blessed me well on this, so ive been using it. guess ill try plas again to "complement"

[midnight totem]

I am eager to try dueling sword on my vet

[slow spade]

It should be fine, 77% is roughly -1.5% damage

[red robin]

4x 80 and 61 fake?

[blazing notch]

very much yes, according to the veteran guide charge rate and ammo are your preferred dump stats

[sour elbow]

btw what's good for a heavy sword? Since vet can use one, I'm interested. It's only good for scything through chaff right?

[south garnet]

I'm not one to wring my hands if I'm missing a point off the top on an otherwise "perfect" weapon but appreciate the heads up

[hardy marlin]

whats the best dump stat for plas?

[midnight totem]

anything without carapace, it will eat

[slow spade]

Charge rate

[red robin]

Charge rate

[blazing notch]

Apparently so, I have found a few and I bought them anyways just to see how they change

[lunar jasper]

I had an 80/80/80/61/80 PSword but the Mobility dropped to a 58 when I empowered it

[red robin]

Ooo

[hardy marlin]

aight

[slow spade]

69 -> 80% charge is a difference of 0.06sec refire

[sour elbow]

that's basically anything but the traitor guardsmen right?

[red robin]

60 is safe bet eh?

[slow spade]

Based on my 2 plasmas

[flat pebble]

do it Wesley. wring them. wring your hands

[blazing notch]

I have been seeing that happen a bunch to people, but have not had that happen to me yet.... yet

[hardy marlin]

best i got

[midnight totem]

Dunno, I haven't fought the traitor guardsmen yet, unless you mean scabs

I mostly mean ogryns and maulers

[slow spade]

Good plasma

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/inzaneo-birth-of-a-new-nation-hands-these-hands-what-do-i-do-with-my-hands-gif-20335234

[red robin]

OCD andies will feel disgusted with this

[slow spade]

If +0.07 sec refire delay kills you, it was fate

[lunar jasper]

Scared to see what the final stats are… my damage is capped already but the mobility is at 42/58 so I’m a little weary

[red robin]

But good roll if molecules don’t bother you

[flat pebble]

fuckin molecules

[tawdry jackal]

I wanna try a weapons specialist build focused on the boltgun and chain sword. Just because I’m naturally switching to both throughout a fight

[flat pebble]

always messing with my shit

[lunar jasper]

I prefer to keep them separated from me, a little space between yknow

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

Bro in the lab rn

[flat pebble]

I wonder how that new swap speed talent makes the bolter swap feel

[red robin]

True

Notify me how it is

[tawdry jackal]

It pulls up faster but it’s the reload that matters

You need volley adept

[red robin]

Which one is that?

One on left top node?

[south garnet]

i still havent even used the bolt pistol or double barrel shotgun yet or the shock maul or w/e

[tawdry jackal]

30% faster reload if you dunk a specialist or elite during that clip

[flat pebble]

with weapspec you probably will always have like fiveish rounds in your mag I would imagine

[south garnet]

Ive been out of the loop

[tawdry jackal]

Left side

[south garnet]

Bolt pistol or double barrel worth?

[flat pebble]

i like em

double barrel takes some getting used to

[red robin]

Variety is the spice of life

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah if I can figure out a way to ALWAYS have a clip in my boltgun I would be unstoppable

[south garnet]

🙏

[slow spade]

Now that the cost of investment is rock bottom just buy them and fuck arpund

[red robin]

They are fun

[slow spade]

They're good enough for aurics I can assure you that

[flat pebble]

manstopper double barrel does the silly

[red robin]

I use run and gun with terrifying barrage and just run into shooters

With infiltrate

[sullen scarab]

Is there any way to auto update mods?

[slow spade]

I use Lethal Prox + Glory Hunter and just throw nades everywhere

[flat pebble]

ask them politely

[sullen scarab]

I always forget if my mods are up to date until they start crashing lmao

[red robin]

The only time I got downed was from gunners but I just rock 60% runner resist

[sullen scarab]

I tried praying to the Machine Spirits and applying the holy oil to my keyboard but the mods aren't updating

[red robin]

I can’t play without weapon fov and immersive evasion

I need motion sickness

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[flat pebble]

isn’t that more like 30-50% because of the way the math ends up mathing

[red robin]

Ty idk how math in this game works

[flat pebble]

I don’t know how math works at all

[sullen scarab]

I was trying to use Vortex in the past but it doesn't seem to want to work.

[flat pebble]

i studied literature in college

[red robin]

Manual brother

It is easy to do

[gloomy kestrel]

Is there a preferred dump stat on the xiiig chainsword?

[flat pebble]

I think it’s just mobility

damage, pen, shredder, and finesse are all important stats

[sullen scarab]

yeah I just do it manually right now lol

[red robin]

True

[sullen scarab]

I go on the mod website and just look at if anything says "updated" recently

[gloomy kestrel]

most of my mods are working except loadout config for sim testing

[red robin]

Zamn

[flat pebble]

i think this is probably the best way

[sullen scarab]

Ration Pack and NumericUI have been throwing a fit for me

[red robin]

I only got one bug and I think it’s creature spawner

[flat pebble]

i heard the UI mod is all fucky

[sullen scarab]

one of my mods broke, the one that makes it so that the game only shows the "real" maximum stats of weapons

[gloomy kestrel]

numericui is messed but there's a manual fix the creator posted to one of the lua files.

[sullen scarab]

like since everything is 80 maximum, it'll only display the max stat at 80

that's good

I saw numericui just get updated

[red robin]

Ye ye

Peak

[sullen scarab]

so I just donwloaded that hopefully

[flat pebble]

ShowMeRealWeaponStats

[sullen scarab]

yeah that one is broke for me I think

or I did something wrong lOL

like i have a 80% weapon, says it does 15 stagger, but the max is 25

Also I had this weird thing where I removed a bunch of mods but the game keeps giving me error messages about the mods I uninstalled

like I don't have BuyUntilRating installed and for a while the game kept telling me there was an error running it after this patch

and it's not even on the mod loader list

GHOST

[last parcel]

it’s multiplicative so 0.8 * 0.8 * 0.8 = .512 damage taken = 0.488 resist (i might have accidentally swapped those lol)

[earnest bone]

remove them from .txt

or just ignore it

[near abyss]

What's a good anti horde melee weapon? I am getting tired of power sword

[earnest bone]

chainsword mk13

[flat pebble]

allow me to introduce you to shovel

[sullen scarab]

Yeah it was weird, I removed it from the txt

[near abyss]

Is it the one with push attack spam?

[sullen scarab]

but the game kept saying it

[earnest bone]

no, mk13 is light attack spam

[flat pebble]

you could do hsword as well now that vet has it, Headtaker deathblow has insane horde clear

[near abyss]

hsword?

[sullen scarab]

What do you run on the mk13? Flak/Elite, Wrath/Rampage?

or flak/unarmored

[earnest bone]

yes

[flat pebble]

heavy sword IX

[earnest bone]

or flak/maniac

[sullen scarab]

niceeee

ok

i'll give that a shot then

[earnest bone]

[sullen scarab]

what do you run on the heavy sword?

for perks at least

Flak/Maniac still?

[tawny badger]

I see another Moebian regiment has gone to shit today

[flat pebble]

flakiac

[sullen scarab]

hell yeah

[earnest bone]

you can go with traditional deathblow + headtaker or rampage + headtaker.

[sullen scarab]

got it

[earnest bone]

DB is better when you aim at da heads

[sullen scarab]

I always stab the heads

[flat pebble]

for the IX hsword db is strictly better for horde clear

[near abyss]

So chainsword mk13, Heavy sword mk9 and the showel?

[flat pebble]

heavy spam at head height and kill 5 enemies a swing

[sullen scarab]

big sexy mode

[tawny badger]

big mode

[sullen scarab]

GO BIGMODE

[tawny badger]

live footage of 4 bigmoders

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-party-gif-27273801

[sullen scarab]

yes

[near abyss]

On heavy sword, do I use Defense as a stat waste?

[sullen scarab]

4 ogryn mod still the best

yeah defense is basically just mobility for the heavy sword if I recall

[near abyss]

lucky me I suppose, didn't take long for it

And what blessings and traits?

[flat pebble]

yarp

[flat pebble]

flak maniac deathblow Headtaker

[blazing notch]

so atp do I just get a god roll of each weapon type? getting good rolls is so easy now lol

[flat pebble]

heavy spam for days

[thorny fulcrum]

whats good to put on a bolt pistol for perks?

[flat pebble]

follow your heart

[flat pebble]

iirc elite maniac

[slow spade]

I go Maniac + Elite

Though my Surgical + Deadly Accurate pistol has Unyielding for funnies

[thorny fulcrum]

any recommends for blessings?

[earnest bone]

just dont forget that HSword got atrocious boss damage and carapace damage

[thorny fulcrum]

running a VoC for that chestpiece

[flat pebble]

surgical+deadly accurate/puncture

[sullen scarab]

wasn'ti t flak/maniac

or no breakpoints for flak

[slow spade]

Surgical + Deadly Accurate for the damage

Lethal Prox + Surgical/puncture/gloryhunter

[slow spade]

Its mostly that you're aiming for head or killing in 2 shots regardless

[thorny fulcrum]

lethal prox seems hilarious

[sullen scarab]

I honestly like Leathal Prx + Puncture because I don't feel like I ever hit the head with the bolt pistol with the ADS shaking around like mad on it lmao

makes sense

[flat pebble]

i think flak lets you get to a THK bp on maulers with puncture but elite gets you bps on gunners and shotgunners

[sullen scarab]

ahhh ok

i had no idea, that's good to know

[slow spade]

Lethal Prox has synergy with grenades by increasing their radius when the pistol is out as well

[sullen scarab]

no way LOL

[fading rivet]

My OCD has been sated, but still three classes to go 😢

[orchid hemlock]

For what weapon?

[flat pebble]

ever since they made bolt weapons finesse based on patch 14 you should be doing what you can to hit heads with them

if you’re struggling I recommend using deadshot

[near abyss]

It's fine, I have my recon lasgun for that. Brrrrr

[sullen scarab]

Yeah i always take deadshot now, it's just that weird "settling" period the gun does

[blazing notch]

seeing 0 unlocks on Zealot and Ogryn tells me you have quite a bit to go lol

[sullen scarab]

after you shoot where the ironsight seems to just vibrate

[flat pebble]

yeah it takes getting used to, if you use surgical by the time it settles well you’re primed for a crit at least

[sullen scarab]

also I feel liek I have to take that anti suppression skill?

makes sens lol

[flat pebble]

oh yeah definitely

[sullen scarab]

I feel like everytime i et shot at the gun goes nuts

yeah lmao

[slow spade]

Its pinpoint accurate on hipfire

Just blam them

[sullen scarab]

you're right

LMAO

[fading rivet]

Haven’t even made characters for them yet. Vet and Psyker are my only two rn but I’ve only had the game for a little over a month

[flat pebble]

i like sniping under fire tho

pew pew

[sullen scarab]

but don't you use the surgical buffs then

I guess that means lethal prox/puncture mode

lets go

[slow spade]

Just aim after you shoot them

[sullen scarab]

LMAO

[flat pebble]

bolt pistol has pretty good ammo economy too if you’re securing headshot ohks

[slow spade]

Its never just "1" gunner

So you're going to be taking multiple shots

[sullen scarab]

the surgical stacks stay on even after you finish aiming?

[slow spade]

No they leave

[flat pebble]

resets after each shot or you stop ads

[earnest bone]

[sullen scarab]

😂

ok

[forest maple]

Can someone with an 80 damage stat on a columnus & agri infantry autogun tell me how much damage it says it does?

[sullen scarab]

i get it

just get them to stop shooting before aiming

[sullen scarab]

this one?

[near abyss]

And just spam heavy attacks?

[sullen scarab]

or the changed names ones

[grand perch]

literally fallout 76

[sullen scarab]

literally fallout 76

[flat pebble]

u understand completely

literally fallout 76

[near abyss]

Never played it

[forest maple]

ye, can you go to swap marks and tell me the listed damage on the other 2?

[south garnet]

it is done...

new system is pretty good tbh

way less bullshit

[sullen scarab]

sure give me a sec

[flat pebble]

hey neat

382

[fading rivet]

Hidden 79s in there

[grand perch]

i gotta say, marksman focus is much more pleasant to play now that i can efficiently get stam back for deadshot
https://youtu.be/34BeZMDeCy8

[forest maple]

ty, you don't have to spend dockets to change, it is displayed there when you get the option to choose. Thanks

[forest maple]

Cause i have a 79 damage one and i dont really wanna farm a new one 😛

[sullen scarab]

there you go

[forest maple]

Thanks a bunch!

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah, what perks/blessings are good for the bolter nowadays

Flak/maniac surigcal/pinning fire?

[flat pebble]

i use flak unyielding personally, it would follow that because they’re the same damage profile as the bolt pistol maniac elite is also good

[blazing notch]

Ahh! Forgive me. Enjoy ogryn, never getting interrupted while reviving alone is such a massive bonus you'll miss when you play any other class

[flat pebble]

for zealot bolter is often unyielding carapace

[sullen scarab]

makes sense

I see people saying Fire Frenzy when I search now?

[earnest bone]

it seems

it bugs out

when you change marks

[flat pebble]

if you’re using it as a DMR you won’t make use fire frenzy much because it’s a close damage blessing

[red robin]

Yeah

What are other options past that?

[flat pebble]

surgical pinning fire is old reliable

[near abyss]

Heavy sword's first heavy attack is an overhead swing D:

[flat pebble]

im eager to try surgical puncture

[flat pebble]

yeah then it infinitely loops horizontal swipes

[grand perch]

puncture used to be a meme on bpistol, dont think its gonna be good on bolter

[flat pebble]

you can also do a light attack first then chain into h2 and h3

[fading rivet]

They always come in clutch when I’m on my psyker. Idk why but I rarely ever go down on vet but constantly die on the psyker, not used to that glass cannon

[flat pebble]

i mean puncture gives some bps so I don’t know it’s a meme

[sullen scarab]

Sounds good

[flat pebble]

also it’s good for peppering monsters and then switching to melee

[wise fossil]

That's a good thing. Makes one-shotting mutants much easier

[flat pebble]

^

[atomic zephyr]

if i had a nickel for every foxhole player i ran into in veteran chat, id have two nickels
which isnt a lot but its weird it's happened twice

lights on heavy sword seem to clear chaff just fine

[flat pebble]

yeah but they don’t leverage db as well

can’t kill 5 gunners in one light

[wise fossil]

XD I know several Wardens that play - a few guys from V, a few in NIGHT

[atomic zephyr]

lmao there’s probably a few other colonials lying around here too

[primal remnant]

ok something is wrong, this is the second mission I've sxtracted with a scripture in and yet my special event still says 0

[wise fossil]

I'd imagine so! Both sides have their fair share of Krieg LARP

[tawny badger]

gahdamn this lasgun fucks

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah, what's the best blessings for the double barrel shotgun, manstopper and what else?

[tawny badger]

vencord didn't like that

uhhhhh

I think it was manstopper and.. the one that increases crit chance for each enemy hit

[loud flower]

So what does "scailing" mean for this? Its just damage scailing?

[tawny badger]

up to 20%

[last parcel]

normally people go manstopper plus both barrels but you can also use deathspitter or scattershot and something else i forgot it’s probably in the linked wip guide in the pins

[tawny badger]

5-20% OF WHAT, GAMESLANTERN

[flat pebble]

depends on the build

scattershot is redundant on a weapspec build because it guarantees crits

but otherwise scattershot manstopper

[loud flower]

20% of numbers, obviously! Which ones? Now thats a heretical question

[flat pebble]

I like deathspitter both barrels personally because throughput funni

[sullen scarab]

LOL yes

i run it with weaponspec

[loud flower]

What do you guys normaly run on curios for the vet?

[sullen scarab]

so I guess Deathspitter+Manstopper?

not sure if deathspitter applies as much though

since I only shoot once with weaponspec

[flat pebble]

it’s kinda up to you, deathspitter won’t have super great uptime on that build

[sullen scarab]

yeah

maybe the new flechette?

😂

[flat pebble]

that’s always a choice

[sullen scarab]

i'll dick around and see waht happens

but it seems like with weapon specialist the second blessing is kind of whatever lol

[flat pebble]

pretty much

i guess there’s hit and run too

or both barrels for the moments you just wanna go ham

[sullen scarab]

yeee

[misty delta]

I go 1 health and 2 stamina

[tawny badger]

1 health, 1 stamina, 1 wound

[flat pebble]

2 health 1 +3 stam

[misty delta]

you can honestly mix any combination of trinkets and be fine on vet

[candid agate]

3 stamina, just dont get hit lol (sarcasm)

[loud flower]

Does toughness regen on the curio work with the skill that allys on coherency get any toughness i get?

[tawny badger]

no

[loud flower]

Bummer

[tawny badger]

afaik toughness regen only affects coherency toughness regen

[flat pebble]

i feel like without the second health curio bursters and snipers are exceptionally feelsbad on vet

[flat pebble]

it also affects the delay before your toughness starts to regen in coherency

still not worth it on vet

[candid agate]

is it better to sacrifice a toughness curio or stamina for a second health curio?

[loud flower]

i think i will run at least one health, just because i got a 21% one lying around

[sullen scarab]

No toughness curio?

[misty delta]

what’s even the point

[sullen scarab]

or just shouting fixes everything lol

[tawny badger]

I mean if you're not running deadshot you might as well drop stamina

[candid agate]

okie dokie

[flat pebble]

nah stam is good for melee and sprint

[trim steppe]

I like running 1 stam, 1 HP and 1 toughness

[misty delta]

I still like having at least 1 stam trinket for push spamming and getting resses

minimum

[trim steppe]

Having +3 stam is just super nice and helpful with a variety of things, and helps keep your defenses up so you don't take hits

[flat pebble]

as far as toughness goes vet has so much toughness in their tree plus shout

[sullen scarab]

makes sense

I run like 2 toughness 1 hp

[untold kernel]

Hey, does anyone know if Killshot Ready penance progresses with melee kills as long as i'm at the right stacks?

[sullen scarab]

and I always feel like the toughness goes to waste

so I think I'll try something else

[misty delta]

yeah it works

[flat pebble]

i mean it’s not bad necessarily

[misty delta]

that’s how I got mine

[untold kernel]

sweet, cheers

[flat pebble]

i just don’t think it’s necessary

[sullen scarab]

its not bad, I just usually get hit in melee and since its % based I take damage anyways

I'll try out 2 hp 1 stamina lol

[flat pebble]

more toughness means that one 50% TDR above 75% toughness talent goes further

[sullen scarab]

true

honestly I might just run 1 toughness 1 hp 1 stamina

give me some wiggle room

with the deadshot

[feral lake]

Has vet always been able to have a dueling sword

[tawny badger]

strongest scab sniper vs weakest iron will veteran

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-senator-armstrong-gif-25280817

[misty delta]

nah it was added yesterday

[feral lake]

Also I can’t seem to find a lot of the stuff from brunt’s armory

[tawny badger]

they're all kinda merged

so like

if you buy an infantry lasgun you technically have access to all the marks

bc you can switch them now

[feral lake]

Ah

[trim steppe]

Weapon families are freely swappable so they sell them by the family now

[flat pebble]

brunt’s is basically Costco now

they sell family size bundles of weapons

[feral lake]

Any other new stuff that vets can get that they couldn’t before

[flat pebble]

heavy swords

[tawny badger]

psyker's dueling sword

also with executioner stance, they merged relentless with it

[flat pebble]

they also changed the -20% sprint cost talent to an increases swap speed talent

[wise fossil]

Blessed, honestly. I always wanted the reload speed for shotguns but hated the sprint node

[flat pebble]

might make bolter feel even better now too

[feral lake]

Saw that and hate that

[unkempt hedge]

Ngl I get why they removed the sprint cost talent but I liked using it with a Stripped Down build

[trim steppe]

Put it on your curios now that they're unlocked

[flat pebble]

imo they switched out a niche talent for a niche talent so idrc either way

[unkempt hedge]

The weapon swap one is good for slow ass weapons I guess. Otherwise the double barrel shotgun switch for ammo with weapon specialist doesn't even need the talent

[unkempt hedge]

I would stack the abilities together before anyway so I net lost some sprint efficiency with the change. But not a big deal. Was a more of a meme build tbh

[delicate hornet]

requires more investment but if ur running stripped down, duck and dive will give u basically unlimited stamina from stripped down

[blazing notch]

HP, Stam, Wound for me

the wound isn't necessary but I run plasma gun now so all it takes is 1 accidental overchange for me to die the instant I get downed again, if i don't heal

[wise fossil]

Swap speed makes more sense as a right tree node too

[delicate hornet]

have the new blessings made plasma actually worth charging shots for?

[flat pebble]

solution: never charged attack and only light spam

works like a charm

[broken spade]

wait there's a new swap speed talent?

[tall torrent]

No

[unkempt hedge]

True

[broken spade]

bolter finally playable?

[flat pebble]

just to the right of the top of the tree

[flat pebble]

always been dot jpeg

but yes it’s crossed the palatable to use threshold for a lot of people

[wise fossil]

Ignoring limb damage reduction is huge for Bolter

[flat pebble]

the 70% sway reduction was the most impactful thing to me imo

[blazing notch]

lol, but getting a 1 shot headshot on a crusher with a charged shot is so nice

[flat pebble]

not worth the risk and increased ammo consumption to me 🤷

[blazing notch]

couldn't tell you lol haven't leveled it yet

[blazing notch]

yeah the 3x increase in ammo consumption really hurts there

[flat pebble]

not for nothing but I also think it’s funny to see the crushers get staggerfucked by the plasma which you don’t see if you OHK them

[tall torrent]

3x regular shots have more dps, cost the same amount of ammo and doesn’t blow u up

[flat pebble]

they fall to the ground and are like uhbuhbuhbuh when you blast their noggins

[blazing notch]

but how else can I throw the run if I don't blow up randomly on a veteran when everyone is expecting the psyker to blow up!!

[red robin]

whats the science on revolver again?

[slow spade]

The only time to charge shot is to blow yourself up at the end

[flat pebble]

if you’re azreal, surgical handcannon unarmored infested

[blazing notch]

grand finale of each magazine is a suicide

[tawny badger]

why doesnt veteran just throw the overloading plasma gun? are they stupid?

[flat pebble]

if you’re most other people, those two blessings and a combination of flak/maniac/carapace/elite

[woven coral]

I don't want to use thrust on the duelling sword for vet, should I go for Uncanny+Riposte or Uncanny+Rampage? Or another combo entirely?

[slow spade]

Because I paid millions of dockets for my plasma. I'm not dropping it

[blazing notch]

throw it at the psyker and blame it on peril overflow

[flat pebble]

precog riposte

[tall torrent]

Flak does nothing

[tawny badger]

wdym flak does nothing

[flat pebble]

uncanny is fine but DS has great heavy attack pen

[tall torrent]

Flak doesn’t change breakpoints

[red robin]

ok

[woven coral]

is precog that much better than having more damage on cleave from rampage?

[red robin]

what about fanning revolver

i wanna use that

even if it is bad

[woven coral]

I guess 36% extra damage on light attack is pretty trash when the light does 50 damage

[flat pebble]

you’re gonna have mid horde clear no matter what

[tall torrent]

That gun can’t hit non-Crit breakpoints

[red robin]

i meannn

still

i wanna use it

[tall torrent]

Not even mid, just bad lol

Worst horde clear option for veteran

[flat pebble]

hammer have we ever agreed once

[gleaming zodiac]

guys should i buy this

i mean whats ur opinion on the set

[red robin]

agree to disagree tbh

[tall torrent]

I just so happen to be usually right

[woven coral]

it looks aight

[flat pebble]

i forgor, sorry

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-26450094

thats gonna be you tbh

[trim steppe]

I might do that if I ever charged shots. But I don't and you can't explode from spamming lefts

[flat pebble]

I think it looks clean, if you have expendable income and like it, I say get it

[hollow rose]

gamers what are Flash missions

[trim steppe]

But that's why I usually run 1 wound in psyker, accidentally exploding happens from time to time

[gleaming zodiac]

i jsut got the helmet

helmet looks nice

[misty delta]

I thought adobe flash died years ago

[slow spade]

[REDACTED]

[flat pebble]

i like how crisp the new SL jacket looks

[trim steppe]

Maelstroms. Or fake

[flat pebble]

lore accuracy or whatever aside

[woven coral]

it looks like it has been ironed

[flat pebble]

aren’t flash missions just what the new mission is but they’re calling them operations now

[trim steppe]

Don't think so

But maybe. FS is never clear

[flat pebble]

mum said I have to put on my Sunday best for killin eretics

[woven coral]

flash missions are an old mission type that was too buggy and they got rid of them iirc

[hollow rose]

then why i dont get penance for completion sadge

[flat pebble]

as far as im aware there was nothing to get rid of, they never had them in game

beta was a long time ago tho maybe I just forgot

[flat pebble]

uhhhhh fatshark

idk could just as easily be im wrong

[blazing notch]

You should try the suicide technique, tests your squad synergy the old fashioned way.

left click to full, charged shot to finish off a target, explode. repeat

[last parcel]

wild thing to read before realizing which server this was

[tame lodge]

[oblique totem]

Standard greeting

[blazing notch]

Poxburster build, just run plasma and start doing charged shots whenever your energy % goes red and keep clicking until you are making friends with the floor

[flat pebble]

used to see the opposite of this all the time at launch time zealot chat

back when it was still predominantly femboy chat

40k has such a vibrant community

[blazing notch]

if zealot chat is femboy chat then veteran chat is JROTC chat lol

[oblique totem]

Is it no longer a femboy chat?

[flat pebble]

sparingly

[oblique totem]

That's concerning. Means they've gone somewhere else.

[blazing notch]

👀

[oblique totem]

You understand my concern.

[flat pebble]

well, space marine 2 has a discord I’m sure

[last parcel]

nothing to worry about

[oblique totem]

Incorrect

[blazing notch]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-wars-gif-23992818

Space marine 2 fans logging onto gw website to buy primaris marines and thousand sons

[gentle maple]

Did they deactivate frame generation? its greyed out for me. And my frames are positively tanking, like playing in slowmotion

[oblique totem]

New bugs just dropped

[copper swan]

I wish for proper cadian shock trooper gear if they already did it to bring it back again i need it bruh

[deft crystal]

Me omw to buy tyranids

[copper swan]

I play cadians

[flat pebble]

Canada isn’t even real

[hollow rose]

i want tempestus scion gear, not like one random helmet

[blazing notch]

is FSR 3.1 enabled?

[fleet wagon]

population of canada 38.93kk (2022) < population of california 39.03kk (2022

[flat pebble]

that might be true if Canada was real

but it’s not and that stat is just based on hearsay

[fleet wagon]

so tru

[flat pebble]

also what is kk

thousand thousand?

[fleet wagon]

000,000

[flat pebble]

I’ve never seen that before

[oblique totem]

I just want some proper Chem dogs clothes

[fleet wagon]

brazilians (gamers) use it, and i like it more than doing m

[flat pebble]

those dang berzillions

[flat pebble]

what was improper about the last set

[midnight totem]

what are flash missions

[flat pebble]

it’s when they open their trenchcoat and they aren’t wearing anything underneath

[oblique totem]

They were available before I got the game

[flat pebble]

ah that’ll do it

[fleet wagon]

i want some proper scion cosmetic

[flat pebble]

same

i need a mean ass armored zealot

[oblique totem]

Attilan rough Rider gear when?

[prisma mesa]

bolt pistol / dueling sword dump stats GO

[woeful plover]

What stat do I want at 60% on mx KII (vld) ?

[fossil basalt]

the Accatran?

Stability

[flat pebble]

collat

makes headshots easier because they don’t duck as much as at 80

[foggy wadi]

so whats the go to set up for vet now? is it still auto gun?

[oblique totem]

Always

[foggy wadi]

and the weapon? is the mace good or is it still axe?

[idle swallow]

I think exe stance bolter with hammerblow sapper shovel is one of my fav loadouts now

I am already very biased towards the shovel tho

[foggy wadi]

is the best set up to find is 80% and one 60% ?

[candid agate]

finally got atomas elite guard from a pub

thats nice

[woeful plover]

Thanks, and can any weapon reach 80% when you empower or you need some base stats threshold ?

[candid agate]

you need around medium stats to reach 80% but almost every weapon will be viable with empowering to 500 stat wise

[woeful plover]

Oh alright thanks, I have 59 / 64 / 54 / 44 and 25, 25 is on the 60 %

[candid agate]

maybe best to get a new weapon, stats are a bit too low on the right end

[flat pebble]

it’s not stability it’s collat 🥹

[prisma mesa]

if it says like 25/80 potential I'm pretty sure that it will be at 80% when it's upgraded to 500 right

[woeful plover]

Even at 270 ?

[woeful plover]

Well many told me stab 60

[flat pebble]

dumping collat means less enemies ducking out of your headshots

also “many” in this instance was one person

[woeful plover]

I checked on some reddit also

[flat pebble]

never go to the reddit for advice lol

[woeful plover]

so it want at very 60% ?

[flat pebble]

I mean that’s what I would aim for

follow your heart tho

[woeful plover]

I'm new to game so I have no idea which is good or not that why I was asking, but got 2 different answers

[flat pebble]

either choice will be perfectly usable but I recommend having collateral be your dump stat

[woeful plover]

Because what does it do exactly ? collat then you no crit ?

[flat pebble]

collat will make enemies duck faster which means they’ll be moving away from where you’re aiming, which should be their heads

[radiant chasm]

Collat is stagger and suppression

[woeful plover]

I saw that deathspitter and dumdum was played, but are those the best or there is better than I don't know about ?

[radiant chasm]

Recons have barely if any stagger and you suppress things by killing things so it doesn’t matter especially at 60%

[radiant chasm]

Deathspitter dum dum for damage, headhunter dum dum for ammo efficiency with shocktroop

The fast firing one which im pretty sure got renamed can go infernus headhunter

[fierce spoke]

What would be the dump stat for the Double Barrel for Vet? Reload speed, or Mobility?

[woeful plover]

I'm using MKII, which was Vld right ? And so stability change a lot of things ? or it's whatever for it?

Also, it goes well with the bleed knife or something right?

combat blade

[radiant chasm]

Stability is just more impactful than collateral

[woeful plover]

Any idea for the combat blade please? which do you want at 60 ?

[flat pebble]

mobility

i prefer uncanny flesh tearer flak carapace but a lot of people swear by any combination of uncanny/precog/riposte

[woeful plover]

no lacerate ?

[junior needle]

Lacerate is bad, actually gimps you for using it

[flat pebble]

no

knife is a finesse weapon you should just be focusing on heads

[woeful plover]

And it's the go to melee?

[junior needle]

While you can take FT on vet, vet isn't nearly as suited for it as zealot

[flat pebble]

i mean people like it, I use it on zealot sometimes. I prefer other stuff on vet

[woeful plover]

So more the dodge damage stuff?

[junior needle]

Mercy is generally only advised on vet with serrated

Everyone takes uncanny

So everything else competes for the second slot

[woeful plover]

so something like uncanny / riposte

[flat pebble]

pretty much ya

[woeful plover]

I'm out of gold, it goes fast when you're new lol

[woeful plover]

Any tree you would recommend or just voc / onslaught / shock trooper work?

[flat pebble]

recon lasguns are best with a specific branchy build, I don’t have access to my game rn so I can’t post it, maybe someone else in vet chat has it

but yeah you definitely want onslaught and shock trooper

pick up the 5% crit chance node as well

[woeful plover]

thanks

[forest maple]

is collateral the dump stat for the recons? I'm trying to choose between 2 perfect guns, one with 60% mobility and the other with 60% collateral

[winged bane]

is autogun the way tro go?

[forest maple]

i would guess then that mobility gets the edge?

but if you had to make the choice

i guess i'm answering my own question, going to keep the 60% collateral, 80% mobility

[grand perch]

i made another thing
https://youtu.be/gPwr9VvaZIc

[umbral scaffold]

What do the new units look like ? Any one got images?

[forest maple]

On another note, which heavy sword mark is the top dog?

[inland orchid]

preference

[forest maple]

which one has better horizontals

[flat pebble]

9

[inland orchid]

my dumb self was tryna remember the mk roman numerals but tyler got it down with the regular term

[flat pebble]

IX

[inland orchid]

appreicated

[grand perch]

too bad we didnt go up to rocky IX for easier remembering

[tall torrent]

I feel gets hot is a lot of utility even just for crit bodyshot 1 tap consistency sake

[storm kestrel]

How should I build around a decent bleed knife I got from Melk?

[tall torrent]

Like which

Idk I don’t feel like running unarmored for Dreg gunner on a plasma lol

Rager 1HS u can reach with just rising heat if u take superiority and tbh
Plasma is one of the few guns where I think superiority is just worth it

Extra ammo is nice for it too

[flat pebble]

i have a hard time imagining azreal hurts for ammo while doing true solo

[tall torrent]

I’m pretty sure superiority also sends u over to mauler 2 tap

With AE up or without

Then u need rly high stacks of blaze away

2 stacks at what heat lvl

Starting from 0?

I didn’t buy SM2

Ik, I’m not that into TPS and I’m not sure if I can run it well on my pc

Need to get it checked, smth I think is wrong with heat venting

[slow spade]

At least its easy to test now

I have 4 plasmas just from fucking around

[tall torrent]

Plasma is somehow the hardest thing to roll on veteran rn

I think ideal spread is 80x3 + 69% thermal

69% thermal is 1 extra shot

[slow spade]

God I wish I could say the same

[tall torrent]

Charge I tested, I can feel the difference

70 charge 70 thermal seems the way imo

[slow spade]

0.07 sec difference

Huge 😩

[flat pebble]

u could blink in that amount of time. it’s too long

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s noticeable

Mine is 78% charge rate and it’s 0.61s delay between firing

60% charge rate is 0.7s delay

That’s 98rpm vs 85rpm

[slow spade]

I'm testing between a 80% and 69% charge

I don't see a difference that significant

[tall torrent]

It’s not so significant but it is noticeable

It’s the “atk speed” equivalent

[slow spade]

I mean 0.07 sec like I claim vs your 0.7

[tall torrent]

0.07s firing delay difference is 10~11rpm

That’s almost 10% atk speed on plasma

[slow spade]

Indeed, I believe its a negligible amount to warrant dumping

[tall torrent]

I think best is 80 damage, 80 stopping power, 80 ammo, 70 thermal and 70 charge

Just specifically this distribution

[slow spade]

That should be fine

[gentle maple]

AMD Frame Gen was, better now when it’s off!

[slow spade]

I can't think of any notable advantages with any other stat distributions

[tall torrent]

I ran out of resources trying to roll this

[slow spade]

Brunt is the new enemy

gambling noises

[tall torrent]

Imma have to think what I’d run for plasma if I drop superiority complex

[broken spade]

that's what i was planning on making too but i'm too poor now

[tall torrent]

No like, talent tree

What’s top 3 now

[broken spade]

I used to run elites on my plasma cause i could reach gunner breakpoints on it anyways after talent tree

[tall torrent]

Fair ig

[broken spade]

so i didn't really need unarmored

[tall torrent]

The point of unarmored here is to not spend 2 points to get superiority complex basically

What melee do u run with plasma

[broken spade]

What's everyone's thoughts on the new plasma blessings?

[tall torrent]

Rising heat is good
The other ones meh