veteran-class

[somber axle]

Sell???

[idle pecan]

Prolly sell tbh since you can make any recon into any recon

[somber axle]

I had every single tier 1, 2, 3 and 4 blessing pre-update

[idle pecan]

Unless you REALLY don't wanna spend mats to change the blessings and perks

[still plover]

ngl it's a lot of fun, two shoting crushers is great

[somber axle]

not for all weapons but all lasguns and most other weapons too

[idle pecan]

Pokey stick time

I now have a reason to use my best guns again

Unlock blessings for the rest

[still plover]

I think you might be able to one shot them with a proc'd precog but i havent had it happen yet

[idle pecan]

I prefer mercy killer over precog

[still plover]

lol i don't

[idle pecan]

Personal preference

[still plover]

how are you getting bleed?

[idle pecan]

Serrated blade

[flat crypt]

No mercy killer on pokey sticks or have i missed something?

[daring peak]

HEEELP

[oblique totem]

Whaaaaat is that?

[idle pecan]

Visual bug

[regal belfry]

offer them to the omnissiah(emperor) for exp

[still plover]

yeah see i'd rather have the talent point and not have to go for a body shot first to proc it, but hey do you, if it works it works

[daring peak]

game is visual bugging so hard that i can't see shit half the time

at one point i could only see like a meter in front of me due to the ultrafog

[torn gorge]

did they fix that interaction?

[daring peak]

in the final missions it was sections of clarity and then sections of seeing nothing

[oblique totem]

Jeez. I knew something would be broken but this is something else

[daring peak]

I actually did that entire mission running off of divine guidance

i shit you not

thank fuck i brought a melee build

catachan devils claw sword + revolver

i love this build

[regal belfry]

how much warp juice did you drink

[daring peak]

the mourningstar is also like this

[daring peak]

i think its a negative reaction to dying a bunch in train crashes

[vocal lodge]

Infernus or deathspitter? It's for a recon lasgun with dumdum already

[forest maple]

Do we have a comprehensive weapon/talent/equipment guide like the ogrynomicon and the psyker codex anywhere available?

[last parcel]

i sacrificed them for plasma mastery

in death they shall serve

[last parcel]

there's a wip guide in the pins that's almost done

[daring peak]

ngl

[sullen scarab]

is the stat preview sometimes wrong for the weapons? I had one chainsword say its max was 40 mobility, but when I powered it up it hit 60 lol

[daring peak]

some of this is really fucking cool

[forest maple]

Awesome, thanks!

[last parcel]

yeah this is fucing sick

[daring peak]

i wish there was a mod

[last parcel]

yup, known issue

[daring peak]

that broke the game enough for this

but not to the point where i can't fucking see

[forest maple]

Isn't this PDF veteran guide a bit outdated? Has recon lasguns as a (niche) pick, when in my experience, my Vld is like, one of the best guns available

Just for recons, they are pretty spot on with most other things

but the Vld just slaps immensly hard

[somber axle]

Yeah the PDF is out of date

The other link is a WIP 2.0 guide

[sullen scarab]

Ok sounds good, damn, makes it harder to remember lmao

I guess as long as it has a bunch of 80's then I can assume the mobility will go up

[forest maple]

The MS word link?

[hollow turtle]

What are the best blessings for a plasma gun ?

[last parcel]

yes

[forest maple]

Good question

[vocal lodge]

I got dumdum on my lasgun already but should I keep infernus or go deathspitter?

[last parcel]

deathspitter is much better but infernus makes happy chemical so it's up to you

[vocal lodge]

Got ya

[somber axle]

It's kinda wild that the Recon Mk VId/Recon Mk XII became the big winner of Secrets of the Machine God when the tweaks feel so minor. Slight bump in ADM for unarmoured/maniac at near range, fire rate increase and magazine increase

[sharp epoch]

All the new blessings are confusing me too 😭

And plasma gun still has that weird mechanic where max charge rate does less damage

[forest maple]

We talking about Vld or?

[pine snow]

I HEARD YOU CAN DISMANTLE WEAPONS FOR PLASTEEL

[somber axle]

yes

[pine snow]

[somber axle]

purple weapons will give you plasteel back when sold

[pine snow]

MY HOARDING IS REWARDED

[somber axle]

orange weapons give back plasteel and diamantine

[sharp epoch]

I think out of all the classes psyker is the big winner, esp inferno/purg staff

[somber axle]

did those staves get changed in SotMG

I didn't even notice LOL

unless you mean for the recent changes in Unlocked and Loaded

I haven't looked at Psyker changes yet

[sharp epoch]

Ohh I meant this patch

yeah Lock and Loaded they got new blessings that cause brittleness and staff perks which literally only benefit inferno/purg staff

[last parcel]

it's the same for all of them but yes i was specifically referring to the VId/XII

[daring peak]

whats the dump stat for devil's claw sword?

trying to decide if i should feed this to the cyborg

[last parcel]

it's in the linked WIP guide in the pins

[daring peak]

i do not want to sign in with my msoft account

[last parcel]

you don't need to

[daring peak]

ah the pdf is still good

[somber axle]

hey what happens if the game bugs out and thinks you have no blessings

[daring peak]

this one hurts to sell but also low finesse lol

[tall torrent]

PDF file is super outdated

[somber axle]

oh wait I think it's just loading really slow

[tall torrent]

U can download the Ms word file tho

[last parcel]

sometimes you just gotta back out and reopen

other times it explode moj fuking komputer o no

[thick rose]

which braced do people like now days?

[daring peak]

i mean i assume mobility and cleave targets is still the dump stat for chatachan sword

[umbral parrot]

Opinion on One Motion? I don't notice it enough.... i like it... but i think i like 50- speed instead.

[hollow turtle]

Lol I can finally fix that 0% stability shotgun I've been holding onto for months.

[last parcel]

it's already perfect

[grand perch]

Tried it on the bolter, visually could not tell the difference but I think you can start shooting faster now? Animation might not be up to speed

[umbral parrot]

It's ....aight.

[hasty otter]

I don't understand how I could have put hours and hours into my Veteran's lasgun and power sword and only managed to get only mastery 2

I can't even swap my weapon marks because its locked

[umbral parrot]

Gonna have to grind.

[regal belfry]

it had to do with the unlocked perk amount

[tranquil bronze]

I didn't think that was possible

[oblique orbit]

it said my mobility was supposed to be 58 and the cleave damage was suppoed to be 80 before empowering it, is there randomness?

[last parcel]

the initial preview is wrong sometimes

[oblique orbit]

strange

[last parcel]

they’re trying to hotfix it

[minor iron]

so im dumb, want some slight clarification on the new power system

when rolling at brunt, are we still looking for good rng stats for the max potential or is it all guaranteed now?

[hasty otter]

Thats awful. I found the perk/stat combo i really liked and i rolled with it into the end. Now all the hours i've spent with rewards me with only 2 mastery levels.

Then i get punished by not getting to swap weapon marks.

[oak ivy]

whats good to dump on a knife?

[topaz lance]

Having fun with exe stance + WS + double barrel, though I'm not sure what the best blessing for the gun would be.
Also, I would like there to be more movement speed options on the vet tree... feels too slow, wanna zoom around.

[topaz lance]

Always mobility

[oblique orbit]

you can get levels pretty easily by just buying and sacrificing weapons, if you've been playing long enough dumping a thousand or so plasteel into upgrading random brunt weapons to instantly max out a weapon shouldn't be too bad

its like 10k xp for any green weapon that matches the class

[hasty otter]

I do have a crap ton of resources and I'll look into that. Its just awful to see my nearly 300 hour be shat on by FS

[oblique orbit]

my devils claw mastery is 0 right now and 1 green brings it to 2

the final level is only 25k

[hasty otter]

I didn't really want to grind the awful sticker book crap.

[tall torrent]

It’s way faster now

U can just spam buy from brunt’s armory

Upgrade each to green

And sacrifice to hadron

If u want infantry Lasgun, then buy -> upgrade to green -> sacrifice to infantry Lasgun family

[hasty otter]

Does higher tiers give more exp?

[tall torrent]

It’s 8~9k mastery XP per green sacrificed

[hasty otter]

Or its not worth it

[tall torrent]

Yes but the cheapest is green

[hasty otter]

Okay. I see.

[somber axle]

idk if this is new or not but it's REALLY COOL

[tall torrent]

It’s a matter of whether u want to spend more dockets or plasteel

[oblique orbit]

i have a blue giving more xp than a green right now so probably dont upgrade to blue

[tender pasture]

Dueling Sword is kinda nonsense on WS Vet, been pairing it with the double barrel

[hasty otter]

I have an abundant in both. My question is which is more important for the upgrading system they got going

[regal belfry]

or if you have luck you can buyout brunts green/blue weapons

[tender pasture]

Because the horde clear is mid no matter how hard you go on it

[last parcel]

the new penance borders are sick

[hasty otter]

Noted.

[tall torrent]

In my experience plasteel runs dry faster than dockets

[oblique orbit]

it seems to be based on the stats more than the level

[regal belfry]

duelling swords are single target weapons

[tall torrent]

Because u will need a lot of plasteel for empowering the good rolls u get

[oblique orbit]

430 blue psword gives less xp than a 470 green axe

[regal belfry]

uff

[hasty otter]

I have a final question. What was the final RNG portion that they didn't remove?

[thick rose]

so if a stat is [ 0% | 60% ] - does that mean it can get to 60 or it will get to 60 when maxed?

[tall torrent]

Random stat distribution

[hasty otter]

Yeah, i am going to just sacrafice greens.

[tall torrent]

It’ll be 60% when u reach 500 power on it

But the RNG aspect they kept is really minimal

U can get godroll distribution on most weapons within 3 tries

[hasty otter]

Is the random stat applicable to the "Grey" portion or the maximum?

[tall torrent]

Both starting and endpoint are randomized

[hasty otter]

Oh great

[tall torrent]

But only endpoint matters cuz ur gonna be taking max power stuff in the end

And u can see which endpoint distributions are good

[hasty otter]

I was hoping you're going to just say start point.

[tall torrent]

??

Only the endpoint matters

You’re not gonna take a 310 power grey weapon into auric unless ur doing challenge runs or are trolling

[hasty otter]

But you said the end point is randomized too

[tall torrent]

Yea

But they’re like

4x80 + 60

[oblique orbit]

its based on the start

[tall torrent]

Half the time

lol

[regal belfry]

i used 370-380 grey weapons in auric heresy

[topaz lance]

I did a standard damnation run yesterday with a grey weapon because I didn't understand how masteries work 😄

It was like 330

[oblique orbit]

everything over 54 on this can get to 80 and everything under cant

[topaz lance]

4% mobility stat

[hasty otter]

I really don't understand why they can't just remove the rng completely

[tender pasture]

Because gamers

[tall torrent]

The level of RNG they kept is so minimal u can godroll within 3 attempts

It should be gone yes but this is within tolerable ranges

[tender pasture]

This is more than tolerable

This is picking the good fruit at the supermarket level

[last parcel]

nah i want the old system back

[hasty otter]

I am used to PD2 where you'd buy a weapon and you'd get the base stat and then you'd modify/increase its stats from there

Its just weird how it could easily be applicable here.

[oblique orbit]

not enough suffering for the emperor with this system

[tall torrent]

u do the exact same thing here??

[tender pasture]

Old system was wild, you'd watch people roll up to aurics and maelstroms with complete trash while other people talked mad shit about dropping 3 mil dockets on a good base roll

[hasty otter]

without the rng.

[tall torrent]

if u think trying 3 times to get a perfect distribution is "too much RNG" then u prob should wait for a possible-never-coming crafting update v2

[oak ivy]

they nerf ordo docets?

[tall torrent]

it takes unironically no effort to get perfect distribution weapons rn

[tender pasture]

Tbf it's usually a good few rolls more than 3 at Brunt's

[hasty otter]

I am just saying that if the difference between the stat distribution is so minimal, why even have it? Just give the static stats.

[last parcel]

the hardest part is holding empower for 15 times lol

[tender pasture]

Thrilling and engaging gameplay

Also, where's the remaining 20%

Gimme my remaining 20%

[hasty otter]

Good thing i have a whole pile of unspent dockets/plasteel

[tall torrent]

Getting a grey godroll to a gold tier 500 power weapon unironically costs a lot of resources
But considering u get good distribution so easily it’s fine

[hasty otter]

I’ve been dumping my dockets into higher tier cosmetics

[tender pasture]

Imagine when they unlock the last 20% on the bar and you gotta empower your way up there

Mobile game style kek

[hasty otter]

Have a chance to fail per upgrade

And a have a smaller chance to break the weapon

Korean mmo style

[tender pasture]

Nah fuck that

The design meta is to encourage whaling nonsense

Never understood why people would whinge about Tencent in Darktide, if they were tryna MTX mfs you'd know it

[hasty otter]

Well mob mentality dictates that tencent = bad

[tender pasture]

Tencent is majority owned by a South African concern now

[hasty otter]

Man on internet says tencent bad

Mob raises their pitchforks and crucify anything that associates with tencent

[tender pasture]

Lbr most of these mfs want to say China bad but are trying to be vaguely slick

[minor iron]

anybody getting booted to error code 2014 every 3-ish minutes? im seeing a bunch of posts on reddit about it happening to only ogryns today, nothing on vet but thats all i have

[high vale]

Yeah i do keep getting disconnection errors

One time it was funny because a psyker detonated a man infront of me

[minor iron]

have they said anything about this? game is genuinely unplayable and the errors are consistent

[topaz lance]

Bolt Pistol actually feels really good now.

[hasty otter]

The bolt guns would be a lot better if the sights were better. Irons on the bolt pistol feels too small

At least they got rid of the god awful sway, but still kept the sights terrible and tiny.

[hollow turtle]

Does it? I hope so. I don't have a strong mastery level on that so it's what I plan to pick up for Veteran or zealot

[topaz lance]

Yep, handling feels better and it's been buffed of course.

[tall torrent]

Mastery skin has better iron sights

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1288589370907168768/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.09.25_-_15.52.06.27.png?ex=66f6649e&is=66f5131e&hm=4bec71b6d4d0533837106c8ed671a663f406ca16a2a9e8c3ec3687e28c6c21f0&

[hasty otter]

Oh that is actually better

[last parcel]

unfair advantage for experienced players
literally play to win
will firebomb fatshark hq in 5 minutes

[hasty otter]

When are they adding attachments/mods

[red robin]

Damn

As much as I love dodge spamming with precognition and agile on MK V duelling sword with weapon specialist

Ngl the mk4 duelling sword hits like a truck with thrust and uncanny

It’s insane how far you move back dodge sliding on WS MK 5 duelling sword

It’s fast too

A lot of momentum in that dodge range

Thrust MK4 Duelling sword brings me back to VT2 using the headshot talent on WHC with the rapier

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-flashback-ratatouille-gif-22876011

One of these days weakspot damage perk will be good 😔

[raw birch]

oh no what happened to my gun

also u guys got any talents reccomended around the infantry?

[red robin]

MF goes hard

[last parcel]

they renamed like half our guns lol

[iron marten]

it's beautiful

[raw birch]

so i ahvent been around since the twins boss update i heard they nerfed survivlist is that true?

[red robin]

There’s a 5 second cd on it

Way more ammo on maps to compensate tho

[raw birch]

so do u go fireteam instead now?

[red robin]

Non issue with las crit builds with stormtrooper

[thick rose]

so we just go to brunt, get a good distro on a profane and upgrade it (long as you are mastered on the class) ?

[red robin]

Do whatever man

Whatever requires the least point deviation for your weapons ideal build

Or playstyle

[raw birch]

i see im not good at making builds usually but here we go

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[red robin]

Melee, ranged and blitz should answer at least everything

Build around that

One of each should excel at specific problems

No carapace dmg on ranged, bring a melee that can or take kraks

[primal dune]

Marksmans focus goes really hard with autoguns

[red robin]

Might be nutty with deadshot

Easy to rack up weakspot kills on the columnus/vraks

[primal dune]

Deadshot would probably be overkill

I suspect*

[red robin]

15 stacks of MF is noticeably crazy on ttk

But honestly one point investment into mf might be good if you’re going for onslaught too

The stand around and generate stacks is mid af on high fire rate guns

Bro just aim and you should be at a uptime of 10 most times

[primal dune]

I do use the 15 stacks talent, it comes in handy often

[red robin]

75% increased to 112.5% is quite noticeable

It’s like having another precision strikes on top of it

[primal dune]

That and also you retain more stacks after moving

[red robin]

Ye ye

Man I wish movement penalties were more forgiving

[low pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204501891589873694/1255625924549017600/82A935CD-BF92-4C43-970B-842DD166143D.gif

[red robin]

Game making me feel guilty for dodge sliding

[old prism]

Where is my pay to skip grind option smh

Throw another one for me

[hollow turtle]

Was wondering why I couldn't change the mark of this shotgun.
Think I got a bugged gun guys.

[primal dune]

oh lawd

[last parcel]

usually fixes itself after a restart

[hollow turtle]

Lol that's the funny part. I did restart.

[primal dune]

Emperors Own

[last parcel]

welp

[hollow turtle]

At least before, it showed the 80% limits

[last parcel]

time to call the exorcist

[low pagoda]

heresy

[grand perch]

cherry on top is it got a flashlight while being a shotgun

[hollow turtle]

Tzeentch has planted a shotgun I do not remember being in my invenotry

[somber axle]

Time for a new grind

I maxed out all my fav weapons but now I need to grind to get all the others finished

[iron marten]

Bro, all my vet weapons were maxed on mastery

Including the ones I barely used (shovel, shock mauls, etc.)

[somber axle]

I didn't grind out all the blessings pre update for all the weapons, just most of them so some still need some progress + the new blessings for extra progress on top of that

[iron marten]

Good luck!

[hollow turtle]

Network issues all night. Guess no purging tonight after all. 😐

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1288787659803594794/824f81f8-d54b-4778-9faa-f3cdcfcb204e.png?ex=66f6748a&is=66f5230a&hm=054da5bcb7f418a86f13c8d4dcf1ed5ac67f6fefb517ca86df391ee636849fc2&

[near sable]

new drip dropped

[umbral scaffold]

Did they delete the second variant of the energy sword?

wtf

[near sable]

[thick rose]

check the marks tab when you select a weapon?

[somber axle]

The new Steel Legion stuff is really nice

I like the longer coat

[umbral scaffold]

I got it now thanks

[somber axle]

The original is like above the knee by a bit

The new one is below the knee a little

[thick rose]

TAKE MY MONEY

[pseudo fiber]

It's good we got both

[thick rose]

knees are heresy

isnt that why tableclothes became a thing?

because weirdos thought table legs were too sexy

might be a joke XD

[quasi dust]

i choose to believe it

[thick rose]

ahahhh. yes.

sounds good

"such power"

[topaz lance]

Hehe I also got one like that

[abstract flare]

Oh wait is that in store now?

Shit

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[abstract flare]

Some Veterans are whistling at the commissar

[remote grotto]

what's the dump stat for chainaxes?

[pseudo fiber]

Defense or mobility

[thick rose]

damn dueling sword really does rule

just one shotting everything

[pseudo fiber]

It's so much fun

[flat crypt]

oh yeah, just made one that 1hk crushers

[primal dune]

I'm looking forward to trying the heavy sword, i remember really liking that one

[somber axle]

Quickplay is all trains

😩

[pseudo fiber]

So many trains

[somber axle]

Can't escape the trains

[pseudo fiber]

Lots of trains going to the 53rd they should consider moving

[earnest bone]

good ol'

steamboard

steamforums > reddit

[abstract flare]

EZ

[pseudo fiber]

I think steam fourms are hell

[primal dune]

Least obvious bait

[earnest bone]

this one is better

[primal dune]

comment awards were a mistake

[pastel wharf]

ai give me some good build... 😄

[balmy flume]

(Said poster conveniently forgetting we got itemisation revamp)

[thick rose]

tbh. by the standards of the steam boards... that is pretty good

if they realise there is a female commisar that place get astroturfed by russian bots trying to radicalize incels

[jaunty sphinx]

lmao

[wary galleon]

eehm wait what?

[jaunty sphinx]

[gleaming zodiac]

Lads

If market id changed can someone send a screenshot of veteran class marketplace?

[jaunty sphinx]

#darktide-driptide

[winged warren]

whats the name of the guy with the anime girl pfp again

@tall torrent hey path,
with the new buffs i can finally do crusher killer build with bolter ?

[thick rose]

if frag and smoke were swapped, my dreams would be reality

[jaunty sphinx]

How do you even use smokes anyways

[glad scarab]

i did it, i got the achievement, not getting hit from melee attacks in the new mission

[thin stone]

Can I see some perfect weapons yo

[high vale]

Apparently blocks vision of enemies (only yours)

[jaunty sphinx]

Odd

Once I get this penance done I'm never using these goddamn things again

We finally got a black plasma gun skin thank the emperor

Cool model too

[glad scarab]

i want the weapon skins from SM2 for the guns and the chainswords.

[jaunty sphinx]

God I wish

Honestly some ultramar themed armor would be p cool, I've always wanted to see what their guard regiments and pdfs would look like

[mental parcel]

is this normal too have in the game files?

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah

Im p sure

[languid dune]

Waking up to see footage of the dueling sword one shotting crushers

Hardly comes as a surprise

[jaunty sphinx]

I'm so happy

[languid dune]

When they give one of the most cracked melee weapons from a class that isn't melee focused to one that partly is

[jaunty sphinx]

Psykers when the dueling sword gets nerfed because of us and zealots

[umbral scaffold]

that brittleness node actually is super helpful on helobre

not only does it free up the rending perk for the weapon it also helps generally iwth multiple teamates as brittleness is universal

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah the brittleness node has always been really nice

[thick rose]

its kind of like giving psyker guns and them being better at shooting than us XD

[jaunty sphinx]

I try to fit it into most of my builds

[vestal minnow]

been gone for a long time, had to come back with the update. I hear the boltor might be good now?!

[umbral scaffold]

well i alwasy flet i it was goingg to be gimickie but i legit can almost 2 shot a crusher with it thats how insane it is

"with crits afformentioned"

[tame lodge]

You stay inside it

[jaunty sphinx]

Thank you

That helps a lot

[languid dune]

Soul for a soul

[tame lodge]

Disrupt every ranged enemy

[jaunty sphinx]

That's what I figured

[tame lodge]

And dogs

[jaunty sphinx]

Neat!

[tame lodge]

Bombers will still have perfect aim though

[jaunty sphinx]

Bombers should be playing basketball not screwing with us

Also I went down to a flamer explosion earlier lmao

Didn't think it would do that much damage

[shrewd mortar]

Have we figured out if we're still using crit on the Helbore or do is Armorbane better now?

[safe terrace]

what

382 total stat

[lyric dock]

Is it me or does the Helbore 2 stab much slower

Oh shit the stab is much slower compare to pre-update

[austere pine]

MY SKILL TREES

THEY STOLE MY SKILLS

[lyric dock]

Time to redo them all

[jaunty sphinx]

All so they could add a swap speed talent

[austere pine]

is that... the only perk change

so many of my damn trees didn't even go that path

[rigid pilot]

No they made it so that exe stance procs weapon spec 🤣

[tame lodge]

Helbores aren't particularly weak against armor
So surgical still top tier

[austere pine]

and they're all gone

[grand perch]

exec stance has 1 node fewer.

[austere pine]

so when you have weapon spec and equip your ranged weapon by activating exe stance, it actually procs?

[rigid pilot]

Yes

And if you swap to melee exe stance deactivates

[austere pine]

...

[rigid pilot]

Best talent design

[austere pine]

that's been a thing

[rigid pilot]

It didn't work apparently

[grand perch]

what do you mean, i can swap to melee from exec just fine, doesnt break anymore

[austere pine]

some talents got new pictures but that's about it

[rigid pilot]

🤔

[primal dune]

Also extending the stance duration with kills is now the base functionality

[rigid pilot]

Doesn't it

[austere pine]

which is why it has 1 less talent node

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah you can switch between them now no problem it's great

[rigid pilot]

Finally 😭

[austere pine]

okay so if we make the devs consider things to be necessary picks even if they aren't, they'll add them to base kit?

ws here we come

i don't freaking remember the trees

[rigid pilot]

They probably took a look at their stats and saw shout having 85% pickrate and infiltrate 15% pickrate

[lyric dock]

Will be nice for Helbore acually because of that slow swap speed...

[balmy flume]

Wait CQC IN EXEC STANCE!?
Finally, finally…I can actually be something else aside from shouty officer lol

[sharp agate]

yo wtf plasma gun cannot shoot through bulwark shield anymore?

[austere pine]

laughs in infantry laswoman

[sharp agate]

thats lame as shit unless its a bug

[austere pine]

tfw plasma no longer as strong and us infantry lasmen get some playtime

[balmy flume]

Time to whip out my Autoguns and go all Call of Duty again lol

[austere pine]

do i get to fill out all of these, with the order i choose them in being what i'd prefer to have first?

[shrewd mortar]

Cool, appreciate it.

[austere pine]

because i fear you don't get enough points

9*4

and you get 36 points

very saddening

[primal dune]

9 times 4 is 36

Unless i'm missing something

[austere pine]

am i fucked in the head

i might be

fucking dueling swords on zealots

[primal dune]

You're hired to pull the autogun trigger, not count

[austere pine]

it's joever

it's so joever i can't even

what does this even mean

[primal dune]

headhunters got renamed to vigilant

[austere pine]

mk7 is graia now

[grand perch]

THEY TOOK OUR VRAKS

https://tenor.com/view/turk-took-our-jobs-jerbs-gif-10165889

[swift flax]

the siege of vraks hit everyone hard

no more weapons from vraks

[low wagon]

quick check up - is charging up plasma still completely useless?

half year ago it was, with regular attacks getting higher dps with significantly less heat gen, but there were patches...

[toxic leaf]

ok i think i been using the heavy sword wrong, the special attack 1 tapping non armor specialists and elites is pretty fucking pog

and the heavy sweeps do exactly what rashad does, but obviously it needs the slight charge time

its still balls against any kind of carapace but thats what kraks are for

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah :(

[somber axle]

There's a new blessing that's just Volatile but better but tbh nothing major changed with Plasma so uncharged shot spam is still the go to. It's more ammo efficient and that's way more important now after Surv Aura nerfs (though the extra ammo on maps makes that not such a big deal anyway unless you're in an ammo hungry team)

I think the new combo is Energy Leakage + Gets Hot? Or whatever the one that reduces heat generation by like 60% on a crit

Charging Plasma has like one thing it does better than uncharged shots

[pseudo fiber]

Gets hot and rising heat is good too

[somber axle]

You can 1 shot a Bulwark through their shield

but it's a weird breakpoint

[low wagon]

thanks!

[grand perch]

If you even can shoot through shield anymore, currently that's not working apparently

[low wagon]

it's focused cooling, looks great! it applies to that particular shot which critted, right?

[somber axle]

Yeah

I haven't toyed with it yet

It looks really nice though!

[woven coral]

do you want flak/maniac on tactical axe or is 5% crit chance better

[low wagon]

though it is anti-combo in a way ;d you reduce heat so you get less crit chance from gets hot

but you probably get extra shot or two before cooling and ammo efficiency is benefit as you say

[distant phoenix]

Karkin sexy

[formal hamlet]

Damn, all my perks reset for my loadouts and I don't remember what I was using for them.

[distant phoenix]

Felt

[mortal orbit]

If only the game remembered our skill tree.

[thorn lark]

flak unarmored

[mortal orbit]

For the 1 node moved.

[thorn lark]

especially unarmored, even with crits, the dmg is inferior to flak

as for the crit perk, use it on ranged weapon with high rof benefitting from crit string

[formal hamlet]

Looks like I'm gonna need you guys' help to set it up again. I'm terrible with build crafting and I hate it, but I was quite happy with the Helbore Lasgun build people had helped me make.

[thorn lark]

lika ciag / viag

[cunning sandal]

Hi, fellas
So, what Blessings y'all rocking for Plasma?

[forest maple]

gets hot and rising heat for now but i'm not too sure myself.

[cunning sandal]

What does Rising Heat even scale?

It just says scaling

[forest maple]

power apparently

at 80% heat it gets the full 20% increase of power

5-10-15-20

at 20-40-60-80

[pale spear]

can someone explain rending vs brittleness to me?

[oblique totem]

They finally brought Armageddon cosmetics back

[pale spear]

i see

thanks

so if i understand correctly brittlenes has no effect on enemy armor values

in a unrelated question how good is the supression effect on ''keep their heads down'' on a automatic weapon. is it noticable and usefull?

[thorn lark]

it lowers its armor for everybody

it does not go as high because it's team wide

[slow spade]

Suppression is not very helpful

[pale spear]

good to know

[slow spade]

Another issue with suppression is it makes headshots harder

Enemies typically take cover making it take longer to kill them

So it can easily be actively harmful

[frank ether]

yey

[cedar imp]

Bolt pistol vs the Spearhead Bolt gun, which are the main differences?

[zinc hare]

I have started using the double shotgun on my stealth vet and its both funny and strong

[zinc hare]

Bolt pistol trades damage and some stagger for mobility

I prefer bolt pistol

[robust spade]

Just curious did anyone else haven their skill tree reset? Didnt notice til i tried to use for the emperor and it was just the basic focus skill

[topaz lance]

BOLTOR - more ammo, more boom, less mobility, unweildy
Mini Bolter - less ammo, less boom, more mobility (a lot actually), fast swap and mediumn reload.

Big boy feels best as a DMR in my opinion, with the pistol you can do funky things like run WS. Zoom around etc.

[tame lodge]

Does he know chat

[slow spade]

Bolt Pistol has better one shot potential due to Deadly Accurate + Surgical if you go that route

[slow spade]

Yeah that's why I said it

[thick rose]

which combat axe do I want to try?

[primal dune]

is this a riddle?

[tame lodge]

[thick rose]

never really used them, not sure what mark to try

[topaz lance]

Cannot go wrong with Rashad

[slow spade]

Combat Axe Rashad is my go-to

[topaz lance]

Antax good too, Achlys weird

[atomic zephyr]

rashad is ol reliable

[thin stone]

Now everyone must have perfect weapons innit?

[thick rose]

mob over 51? is cleave the dump?

oh no cleave on rashad

derp

[final locust]

nice

i fucking love this game

resets my build every single update

[hardy marlin]

anyone play dueling saber vet yet? i saw a clip of someone 1 shotting crushers with a single heavy stab

[slow spade]

No reason not to for a lot of us

[final locust]

anyone got a build for the agripinaa braced autogun yet or nah because i cant be fucked to make my own build anymore

[pale spear]

I want to combine this with a exuctioner stance build around crits and weakspot damage. is this a good idea?

[slow spade]

Recon has the lowest base crit multiplier

[pale spear]

it also has the highest rate of fire and 0 recoil. goes my reasoning

[slow spade]

Also you want as low Collateral as possible on Recon

[slow spade]

It'll probably work out

Brb spawning only beasts of nurgle

[tame lodge]

Well you can keep crit chance

[grand perch]

get rid of punishing salvo, thats trash. get dum dum instead. ranged weak spot damage can also go away in favor of maniac damage

crit chance on recons is great with shock trooper, where youre sorta headed anyway if youre going for exec

[slow spade]

A shame Deadshot is so dangerous on Recon

Would be nice

[grand perch]

with the right ADS discipline or a clown build, it works great

[lavish token]

What line of code?

[final locust]

where do i find veteran builds

[fast heart]

Sah, me ate that funny glowing grass, everything glows now sah

[jaunty lake]

which helbore has the stabbing bayonet animation?

[grand perch]

nobody knows since they got renamed

[slow spade]

The fast and medium fire rate Helbores

[fast heart]

Pretty sure it's mk V

[iron marten]

The MK IIIa and MK V

[slow spade]

The slow helbore is the only one with the overhead slash

[iron marten]

Ya, that’s the MK IV

[dreamy spade]

BEHOLD THE PERFECT RASHAD

[slow spade]

Why did they have to change the marks

[iron marten]

MK1 -> MK IIIa
MK2 -> MK V
MK3 -> MK IV

[grand perch]

1 2 3 was so clear cut, better make that confusing again

[coral willow]

should be right in the more loadout

[iron marten]

Rip Rashad MK 2, you’ll be missed.

[coral willow]

allllso i think it may have broke

seems like mine is disabled now

[slow spade]

"Perfect" 490 stats

[coral willow]

bummer

[slow spade]

Hmmmmmmm

[lavish token]

all of vets builds got reset

[coral willow]

yes

i still have the loadout slots

just not the builds

gonna be annoying

[pale spear]

yea that is what i was trying to build around

[pale spear]

is the weakspot damage buff bad even if i pick all the buffs in the tree for it?

should i just focus only on crit damage instead, not both?

[barren raven]

Had to redo all my talents on each character after the update

[grand perch]

10% from perk is almost nothing, since its not a flat 10% added on top. instead, only the extra damage from the weakspot hit gets an added 10%, not your base damage

[tame lodge]

Not on zealot

[grand perch]

50% from the blessing is not bad per se, but its only 3 shots on a low damage high rof gun. not worth it

the 30% from talents is great though

[pale spear]

does the same count for normal crit damage?

[barren raven]

I noticed on two of my characters so far

[hardy marlin]

whats a good melee to bring with the bolter? probably something horde clear related

[grand perch]

im not 100% but pretty sure its the same with crit damage modifiers

would have to check

[pale spear]

so would that mean that basically all crit damage modifiers are kinda pointless on automatic weapons especially

?

[tiny summit]

Yes bonus crit dmg is like bonus weakspot

[pale spear]

including the one in the tallent tree

[tiny summit]

You more so just worry about the crit chance

[grand perch]

yup unless its a really big bonus

crit chance is what you want

[tiny summit]

Wonder if this crafting update actually makes Fatshark realize how shit the numbers for those bonuses are now that we have full freedom to choose

[pale spear]

gotcha

[tame lodge]

Depends on the weapons

But even then

25% extra damage against some armor type

Or even 5% crit chance

Oh

[primal remnant]

Behold, ladies and gentlemen:

A nascent god

[inner lava]

?

[tame lodge]

And even then

[violet pebble]

Anyone else getting bugged penances for maxing out a weapon?

I maxed bolter to level 20 but I cannot get the skin

[pearl sapphire]

I’m gonna get home today, buy the ASL stuff, run around with a hellbore and a saber, be him

[glad kite]

ok gamers

teach me how to 1 shot dregs with a bolt pistol

[slow spade]

Deadly Accurate + Surgical

Can't go wrong with that combo on a 500 base damage gun

[slow spade]

Shoot them

[glad kite]

but i hit them in the chest and they dont die

[slow spade]

Aim higher

[forest maple]

Whats more important for Helbores? Ammo or stability? Got 2 of them, one with 60% ammo and one with 60% stability (all other stats 80)

[grand perch]

dont hit them with the pistol shoot them

[slow spade]

Ammo imo as you're not typically spamming it

[forest maple]

Go with the 60% ammo one then?

[grand perch]

neither are really important on helbore but ammo is slightly more useful than stab

[forest maple]

ah i see

[slow spade]

Lol no you wsnt more ammo

[grand perch]

i feel like the bolter buff brought back veteran full auto spammers

and im not happy about that

[slow spade]

We'll go back to revolver/plasma spammers instead

Do not worry comrade

[primal remnant]

Why? Its not like spamming FA is significantly more useful, the bolter is still hobbled by ammo capacity

[slow spade]

They miss the smell of burning plasma UwU

[primal remnant]

they are still allowed to run plasma

[grand perch]

bolter full auto is pointless in so many situations. go for controlled single shots when youre not a zealot

[primal remnant]

Speaking of which; WHy run the bolt pistol over the plasma gun?

I'm not sure what its for

[slow spade]

Funny

[primal remnant]

I am more asking, they both seem to fill the same niche; Pull it out and onetap specials in the head. What sets the two apart

like sell the BP to me

[grand perch]

thats kind of exactly my point, full auto spamming the bolter goes hand in hand with ammo vacuuming

[primal remnant]

unfortunately vets feel entitled to the ammo because vet is the shoot class, according to the label

[grand perch]

and by spamming i mean using it on small groups of poxwalkers, singular specials etc

[hollow bane]

whats best to run on plasma gun? would gets hot and the heat reduction blessing be good?

[grand perch]

im still a gets hot! gloryhunter kind of guy. especially since i use the talent to distribute toughness to everyone

[slow spade]

I use blaze away + energy leak

The +20% power based on heat one

[pale spear]

do you need to stop fireing to reset sustained fire? or does it cicle on trough?

[toxic leaf]

ok i think i was a bit wrong about heavy sword 9, it works pretty well

[pale spear]

i know the name would imply it does but that doesnt mean anything in games

[toxic leaf]

better into ragers than rashad, neutral into specials/elites, much worse into armor, and slightly worse into a horde

is it?

[radiant chasm]

Stop firing

[toxic leaf]

9 has a pretty intuitive set, i like it for that

the armor damage doesnt bother me because im on kraks

[pale spear]

thats lame

[toxic leaf]

but it swings slower

[radiant chasm]

The hswords can all do their function with deathblow so it comes down to preference and moveset

[toxic leaf]

both should be chopping heads but rashad is using light attacks and heavy sword is heaVY ATTACKING?

[radiant chasm]

I prefer the mk9 cause it’s the least work

[broken spade]

How's the new plasma blessings?

[toxic leaf]

actually yea, i did notice that in this last map

i was hitting a lot more enemies on head swings

[radiant chasm]

But whichever mark you enjoy will be the best for you, i do not think there is a massive gap between them

[toxic leaf]

what i was not doing yesteday when i poo poo'd the heavy sword was the special attack

really quick overhead follow up kills ragers, the special itself kills all elites

lemme try the 6, i dont really care about the lack of armor pen because i run kraks and was using bolter the past few maps

why would this be exclusive to the 6? dont they all have the same special

oh im seeing it, 6 does slightly more damage

to carapace

[hasty otter]

Did they buff the lasgun la?

[toxic leaf]

hmm, i still like the 9, the 6s heavies are awkward into bruisers it seems

[hasty otter]

Its seems like its almost got the same damage as the xii

[toxic leaf]

yea the special attack is key, i was not using that yseterday

it fucks with elites and specials

[pale spear]

is competive urge considered good? does it trigger enough to be worth it?

[toxic leaf]

the followup heavy is so quick, it is really nice for rager trains

i would never run competitive urge unless i had spare points. and considering its veteran, you will never have spare points

this update has been so nice, new weapon variety, im actually using exec stance now

bolter feels pretty good to use

veteran has a lot of points to spare if you dont go down right side melee to weapon specialist

but after trying that tree out ofr the first time a few months ago, i cant imagine playing without those talents

veteran melee is so good that not leaning into it seems silly

[trim hemlock]

Wait, what? When were their ADMs changed?

[toxic leaf]

well you always go down middle

[pale spear]

then im having a toss up between, born leader, iron will and confirmed kill. this is on a voice of command character. got any imput on these tallents?

[toxic leaf]

but yea ranged has a lot of talents at the top you want

[serene bough]

iron will is always a safe pick

[toxic leaf]

tac awareness and iron will are auto picks

[serene bough]

i dont always run iron will personally

[toxic leaf]

you dont have to, it doesnt not make it one of veteran's strongest passives

especially with voc, maybe you can justify it on exec stance or infiltrate

but with voc, thats just permanent 50% tdr lol

[serene bough]

i hope they tweak VoC soon, or rather golden THP

[toxic leaf]

gold toughness is broken

[serene bough]

true, tac awareness is the real problem

[toxic leaf]

tac awareness + psychokinetic aura psyker lol

sleepwalk through anything

[serene bough]

oh by the way, what is the new event

are there any new mobs or is it just book collecting

[topaz lance]

It's not a problem with the other abilities though. VoC is the problem

[toxic leaf]

for such a randomly placed talent, how the fuck is psychokinetic aura a thing

[pale spear]

ill dm it to you so i dont spam picutes

[serene bough]

i see

[toxic leaf]

its the maelstrom modifier

[serene bough]

any pics

[toxic leaf]

they just arent painted green

they look like allies, which makes sense

[serene bough]

VoC benefits the most but i still take issue with its existence

[toxic leaf]

any game in existence with cool downs, cdr traits are always the most powerful traits you can take lol

[candid agate]

i mean executioner stance lasting forever isnt too balanced, but executioner stance is kinda bad so idk

[frank ether]

agile tac axe is kinda cute ngl, I like it

[toxic leaf]

executioner's stance is really good, its just not voc

[frank ether]

exe is poppin this patch, its great

[serene bough]

exec lasting forever is okay bc you inheretly need to eliminate baddies to upkeep the damage boost

[toxic leaf]

being able to identify and delete 10 specialists in 3 seconds will never not be strong

[serene bough]

TA kind of has the same principle but its slightly different

[candid agate]

true but the issue is its ranged damage which doesnt need much extra damage

[red robin]

any opinion on plasma gun blessings?

anything notable or "fun" on the plasma gun of all weapons

[toxic leaf]

recon lasguns could always use extra damage

[cedar imp]

crit on heat rate is crazy good

[toxic leaf]

not every gun is plasma or zarona

[cedar imp]

m1's are better than M2 + M1s

[toxic leaf]

try exec stance with an IAG or recon and you'll see

they become very accurate to long range and dont need to dump ammo into that idiot sniper

[red robin]

the agripnaa recoil becomes non existant

deadshot makes it not jump at all

[candid agate]

eh true

[toxic leaf]

it solves one of the "problems" of using non one shot ranged weapons vet has

[serene bough]

my biggest gripe with exec stance was it vanished on switching to melee

[toxic leaf]

the problem being most groups look to the vet to delete long range specialists because they probably dont have the weapons

[serene bough]

now that this issue is gone, I find it pretty tolerable

[red robin]

yeah

it doesn't have the survivability with shout

[toxic leaf]

shout needs to be reworked, not nerfed

[red robin]

i did a build with exhilarating takedown, and damn i just got my assed kicked

[serene bough]

i think before a VoC rework tac awareness should recieve the survivalist treatment

[red robin]

confirmed kill or bust

[topaz lance]

sucks for them since I'm using the doubel barrel with exe stance instead

huehue

[toxic leaf]

all CDR talents should have some sort of cool down on proccing imo

[red robin]

patrician

[toxic leaf]

except ogryn's lucky bullet cdr, the proc chance is the cool down

[red robin]

that spread reduction on executioners stance and run n gun nutty

bro got the hunting double barrel choke

[topaz lance]

yeah, it's probably the most fun playstyle I have found in this game honestly

[toxic leaf]

but they often dont

[hidden tree]

best chainsword blessings?

[toxic leaf]

veteran has no less than 4~ weapons that 1 shot specialists at range (helbore, bolter, zarona, plasma)

veteran does it unaffected by suppression and has a crowd control special to knock thigns down to do it

[red robin]

so the best blessings on the plasma gun is still blaze away and gets hot?

or are there contenders

[toxic leaf]

show me an ogryn build than can kill 3 snipers and a tox bomber at 50m in 3s like a zarona vet

[serene bough]

eh

[toxic leaf]

if they are conveniently right next to each other

[tame lodge]

Gauntlet lmao

[red robin]

SHOW ME A CHERRY PICKED PREDICAMENT THAT WINS MY ARGUEMENT

[serene bough]

best ranged class isnt necessarily best ranged DPS

[toxic leaf]

this is not cherry picked, this is literally histg dmanation games

[serene bough]

i find iLas mg4 with shocktroop is far better at consistently deleting threats at ranged

[slow spade]

Energy Leak + Blaze Away is my go to

[toxic leaf]

almost every failure is because nobody can kill snipers or tox bombers piling up

[tame lodge]

Oh gauntlet easy

Next

[red robin]

my bad man, I just like instigating

[slow spade]

I blame barrels

And now flamers + barrels

[serene bough]

i love the change to flamers

[tall torrent]

Gets hot + rising heat

[toxic leaf]

to the original point, the vet shouldnt and should never be blamed or looked to because hes not using teh build that does it

[red robin]

ty for answering my guy

[toxic leaf]

its a design flaw wherein difficulty is just throwing specialists at the team in huge numbers

and veteran has the best tools available for instant killing of them as they spawn

[slow spade]

Don't like Blaze Away + Energy Leak?

[toxic leaf]

zealot and psyker can too, they also have a revolver and ranged tools

[red robin]

energy leak is there?

[slow spade]

Up to +20% power based on heat

[tall torrent]

There’s a point to be made with gets hot + power blast but I think gets hot + rising heat is usually just better

[tall torrent]

That’s rising heat

[midnight totem]

everybody has great tools for deleting specials

[tall torrent]

They changed name

[slow spade]

Oh

Fatshark pls

[midnight totem]

Nah, game difficulty is barrels and teammates

[near abyss]

Reckon lasgun with Executioner stance go brrrr

[toxic leaf]

id say almost all of my auric damnation game failures are when bombers and snipers arent killed and you end up with 3 or 4 of them in the back

just running wild

[serene bough]

i wouldn't even argue 1hkos are exactly necessary, i find uptime and upkeep of ranged fire is more important

[misty lance]

any good revolver builds guys?

[toxic leaf]

also trappers from the top rope

[slow spade]

I'll try a crit plasma

[topaz lance]

It's the ittle shooters for me. The melt your toughness so quickly, especially when spread out

[slow spade]

Wasn't sure due to the intially low heat levels

[red robin]

what's focused cooling like?

mid?

[toxic leaf]

insofar as they die quickly, yea, which is why i have always liked exec stance

[red robin]

you want high heat right?

[tame lodge]

Yes crit plasma Charged shot only

[slow spade]

True

[tame lodge]

Proc Shock Trooper

And get all the extra behind the scenes stuff from charged shots

[toxic leaf]

but to get back to the original point, i do agree that people queuing in and hoping the veteran does the heavy lifting are dumb and should be cognizant if that when using quickplay

[inner lava]

bois

[red robin]

i dont think that way at all

team game

[midnight totem]

I always do heavy lifting regardless

[inner lava]

what shotgun is good

[serene bough]

yeah i mean, everyone should be killing

[toxic leaf]

but i play qp exclusively and find that if i dont personally take a weapon to do it, nobody else will

[tame lodge]

Hold up a second
You're telling me I can get 20% extra power and get a 120 cleave?

[red robin]

means more specials for me to hog with executioners stance

[toxic leaf]

which is annoying because sometiomes i dont want to play revolver on zealot lol

and i dont and then games are adventurous

[red robin]

i get what you are saying tho

but that seems like a random issue

[toxic leaf]

it is what it is

[tacit patio]

Lucius my beloved

[red robin]

should account for what weakness is of your ranged weapon

[serene bough]

generally a build should be fit to take on all roles

[tame lodge]

Double Barrel
I don't really know the name right now but slug shotgun

[red robin]

i 100% feel the pain of using a double barrel

[serene bough]

to acount for randoms not synergizing well with your build

[red robin]

why can't everything cater to me 😔

[toxic leaf]

yea but then you look at things like shotgun and be like i want to...why shouldnt i equip this!

i guess kantreal or whatever has the slug

very well said

[red robin]

so true

[serene bough]

yeah, vet is a very versatile class in that regard

[toxic leaf]

veteran can take almost any non (double barrel) shotgun and melee and do what needs to be done even in histg damns

[tame lodge]

Kantrael is or used to be fire shot

[toxic leaf]

with less stress, which is a key point. ive played martyr zealots going in and goign in full throttle but its a lot more micro

[tame lodge]

I haven't stopped to see the name changes

[toxic leaf]

yea, but what i meant was ive playesd martyr zealots in teh backline killing things with melee

not the actual damage

the only time my vet is meleeing a sniper is if he spawned right next to me lol

[inner lava]

lads

i have a heretic shotty

https://i.imgur.com/qI9OjsJ.png

[red robin]

damn, pretty baller that the combat shotgun has solid blessings and perks across all 3 variants, no respite and full bore + flak and maniac, you can just swap mark based off how you feel

[inner lava]

how do i cleanse it

[toxic leaf]

anyways thats my opinion and you dont have to agree with it, re: veteran and ranged weapon choice

[tame lodge]

Oh Agri didn't change

[red robin]

if i take double barrel, i just go infiltrate with 50% dmg resist and 60% gunner resist, i am going to face tank them

[tame lodge]

Cool

[red robin]

but that pesky sniper is gonna be another randies cross to bear

bare?

[tame lodge]

Wait a second, that damage

I don't remember it being that high

[red robin]

also, heavy sword opinions on vet? what blessings stand out?

[tame lodge]

Wait a second

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-great-days-opening-op-gif-27697507

[tame lodge]

Deathblow Headtaker lmao

[red robin]

ty

[tame lodge]

Chained Deathblow Perfect Strike for meme

[red robin]

ty

i do like memes

but ill give the former a try

also anyone have the 20 cosmetic for revolver

i wanna peep it

[slow spade]

"Infested" fuck dogs 💪

[red robin]

YOOO

ty

[tame lodge]

Hoo spicy

[red robin]

the hellboy revolver

so true

man i hate that I bought the pink one

bro got the pink camo purse gun

😔

[pastel yew]

just saw the reddit post of the new dueling sword one shotting crushers without uncanny strike

we've hit peak darktide balance

I was not expecting it to be THAT absurd but

I guess I was too optimistic

I figured you'd need uncanny stacked at least

not that it'd be possible with 0

it's not?

the more you know

with it stacked on psyker it opened up two shots on carapaced enemies

that I didn't know

only really run dd for the voidstike, the one fun psyker weapon

[frank ether]

isnt DS like a really single target focused weapon

why'd it be suprising it nukes stuff

[red robin]

i just like dodge dancing like a meth head

[frank ether]

I dont agree with such extreme niches of weapons existing but it is basically knife taken to extreme yeah

[red robin]

mk5 duelling sword fun with agile and WS, 15% base, 25%? with WS up dodge range and can infinite spam dodge with weakspot hits

[ancient raptor]

give me a broken build with duelling sword guys pls

[tame lodge]

Mfw push attack has better CDD than lights

Hilarious

[red robin]

can someone suggest better perks

i just took 5% crit chance with the nutty attack speed with WS and Trench Fighter Drills

[lusty sapphire]

Elite + flak

[hazy notch]

We get dueling swords now?

[red robin]

ya

[hazy notch]

Interesting

[red robin]

and heavy sword from zealot

[hasty otter]

What about 2h chainsword

[carmine cradle]

hsword on vet is gonna be fun

[cedar imp]

Pinning fire or puncture for the Marked dmg+ , Deadshot settup?

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[hasty otter]

Damn.

Hsword never felt good to me. Always felt really weak

[red robin]

ngl, seeing swagger in the morningstar reminds me of a homeless crackhead chilling outside of 7/11

bro is just there

[tame lodge]

Unnecessary weight for vets

[toxic leaf]

use the special and it fucks pretty hard

in a melee setup

[carmine cradle]

whats the special again?

[toxic leaf]

dunno if its overall better than rashad, but its close

its a backstab thing followed up with overhead heavy

[west walrus]

I accidentally got the On Overwatch penance.

[hasty otter]

To be fair, i’ve only tried the ix but i didnt like it too much

[toxic leaf]

but the attack times are so quick

[west walrus]

What's the secret to the 90% accuracy and zero ammo achievement?

[loud flower]

If i want to make a helbore for horde clear, should i focus on crit for the damage anda mmo efficiency for the perk that lets me shoot for free on a crit?

[carmine cradle]

you should focus on a different weapon lmao

[toxic leaf]

how does dueling sword work with hordes

ive only ever used it with psyker (obviously) and they have good horde control ranged staves

[carmine cradle]

helbore is NOT a hordeclear weapon

as far as i know

[hasty otter]

Hell bore for horde clearing… what

Brother

[bleak cradle]

Anyone know perks for heavy sword for vet?

[toxic leaf]

unarmoured + flak/maniac (imo)

probably maniac

[carmine cradle]

oh wait i can actually try and make an autogun build now

[hasty otter]

Light spam and the occasional heavy poke/overhead. Its really good at with dodging around and controlling the horde

[carmine cradle]

pog

[loud flower]

I wanted to tast the new blessing that gives cleave for the helbore, i think it is kinda neat

[hasty otter]

It hits alot and it hits fast

[bleak cradle]

Gotcha

[toxic leaf]

wtih maniac, it seems to have zero issues using the special to 1 swipe those specialists

special plus zero charged heavy overhead kills all ragers and mutants

[hasty otter]

I love the dueling swords

Makes me feel like saltzpire again

[toxic leaf]

mk9 h2 and h3 loop and should 1 swipe anything horde related to the head

h2 is full horizontal too, so you can hit a lot of jabronis with it

[hasty otter]

Its the one with over head or the stab?

[west walrus]

You guys ever just want to kiss the cultists?

[hasty otter]

[toxic leaf]

im talking heavy sword, not dueling sword. afaik, dueling sword specials are all stabs

[hasty otter]

Oh my bad

[carmine cradle]

+10% xp on 3 curios... way faster weapon leveling?

[hasty otter]

Heresy talk right here.

[tame lodge]

I don't usually kiss on the first date

Now stabbing

Shooting

Burning to a crisp

Grenade

[candid agate]

anyone got a picture of the omnissiah blessed dirk? weapons customisation mod wont lemme see it

[west walrus]

You're right... this whirlwind romance could never last. I'm a servant of the emperor, and my love is a lunatic, demon worshipping traitor.

[sullen scarab]

I did it. I finally did it. After all these years, I finally have a good Rashad.

The nightmare is over.

[west walrus]

What's it like?

May I touch your cloak?

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[west walrus]

Will I too be healed?

[sullen scarab]

Yes, you my son, will be blessed

[west walrus]

Hurricane is coming for me boys.

[sullen scarab]

When The Rashad comes for you one Blessed day, YOU shall be able to cleave through 30000 bruisers in one hit

[west walrus]

Wish me luck.

[sullen scarab]

Me too

Emperor Protects!

[west walrus]

I feel personally attacked by Helene

I'd like to speak to the hurricane's manager.

[thorny girder]

Are the bolt pistols any good?

[west walrus]

I think anything can be good if you build for it.

[thorny girder]

https://tenor.com/view/dillom-rage-dog-angry-dog-gif-17954176246139200797

[broken spade]

Do bolt pistols specialize in anything in particular?

[thorny girder]

I see

I was gonna make a voice of power build

But I was debating the weapons

[sullen scarab]

Which blessings are good on the bolt pistol?

I've always just run the explode and bleed ones on it

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

[safe terrace]

bolt pistol feels better but it still feels

lacking

maybe its just me

[red robin]

Overshadowed by zarona

That’s why it feels above average

[sullen scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-finally-over-nightmares-dying-gif-19119046

[terse idol]

It just ain't a revolver sidegrade

[red robin]

True

[sullen scarab]

I remember before the patch I tried surgical and DA but couldn't hit anything due to the gun vibrating Everytime I ADS lol

[red robin]

The exploding bullets is fun ngl

[west walrus]

Oh, is this a common and hated refrain?

BTW I just spent so much money on cosmetics. Fuck.

[thorny girder]

I was joking around

[west walrus]

I know, but I could understand why it would be a little annoying.

[thorny girder]

I'll research some on my break