veteran-class

[meager topaz]

What blessings should I put in the MG IV infantry lasgun

[vestal widget]

what does energy leakage do, i skimmed past the plasma blesses

[full nacelle]

I can finally get rid of speedload 🙏

[tall torrent]

Plasma is like 50 dmg off from dreg rager 1hs with FT

[radiant chasm]

headhunter ghost or headhunter deadly accurate

[vestal widget]

because i haven't played it in months

[radiant chasm]

with elites perk as well?

[tall torrent]

+7.5~20% R.pwr scaling on heat lvl

[tall torrent]

yea

[vestal widget]

i can't believe reddit won with plasma buffs

[tall torrent]

78%+ dmg, 77%+ SP, 10% elite dmg

it's like 50~60 dmg off

[radiant chasm]

everything must have rending

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[tall torrent]

to be fair this blessing more so just helps with blessing diversity

[full nacelle]

I honestly find the plasma gun boring

[tall torrent]

because it actually does smth

[lavish token]

Sucks dick

[vestal widget]

common opinion, it's like 80% mostly newer players playing it now

[tall torrent]

it's boring if u exclusively play it

[full nacelle]

I only play it in my born leader build for the gloryhunter meme

if I want to play overpowered special sniper I go Zarona

[tall torrent]

next patch I'll prob swap to gets hot + energy leakage

that'll be the true dps minmax plasma

[frank basin]

It is one of vent the heat blessing?

On crit

[tall torrent]

no

[smoky sparrow]

energy leakage gives up to 20% crit chance depending on heat level

[vestal widget]

oh incidentally rip to my friends who rolled for the damage-optimized charge rate plasma

before they changed that

[frank basin]

Oh that just increase maximum crits chance

[tall torrent]

no

[smoky sparrow]

power, not crit chance

i got them confused again

[frank basin]

Alright

[tall torrent]

the crit chance one is gets hot lite

[frank basin]

I was meant focus cooling

[red robin]

Yeah that seems kinda mid

[tall torrent]

focused cooling is fun but ultimately mid

[full nacelle]

Oh what's everyone's thoughts on the hacker shotgun?

[red robin]

Gets hot nutty

[frank basin]

Gonna use it

[full nacelle]

I haven't found a good enough one to really try it

[red robin]

Fun af

Only shotgun I use

[full nacelle]

okayyyyy

[potent canyon]

Ooh man, haven't played since last December and the VId Recon just slaps now. Glad a kept a good roll

[full nacelle]

think that'll be the next build I do once the itemization update rolls out

[red robin]

Manstopper and Scattershot nutty

[full nacelle]

I have that on my Lawbringer

[red robin]

Run and Gun and Terrifying barrage if I wanna troll with skirmisher

[full nacelle]

thing clears hordes in a couple shots

[tall torrent]

I wish skirmisher was actually good

but the fact that u can only stack it from sprinting

no dodge

no slide

[full nacelle]

I'm just glad it's getting a buff

[tall torrent]

u could sprint slide forever and get like 2 stacks

[tall torrent]

it's the stacking method that sucks most

[full nacelle]

probably won't be enough but you know

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-goes-insane-gif-25382090

[tall torrent]

and that's not getting buffed

[red robin]

Me using double barrel and run and gun

[tall torrent]

5s to 8s duration is fine

but stacking method is just so ass

[full nacelle]

I've been using it on my autopistol build cause I'm constantly sprinting when I'm not using the secondary fire

but it still constantly falls off with only 5 seconds

[tall torrent]

u can't sprint slide to stack skirmisher and it's annoying

[red robin]

Ehh, it’s not bad on three +3 stamina and sprint efficiency

It’s trolling I know

[red robin]

YES

[blazing notch]

Would you consider Determined (Suppression Immunity) useless on this when using a plasma gun because of how infrequent you use charged shots?

[red robin]

Same with run and gun

I wish it had a 0.2-0.3 window to slide and shoot

[tall torrent]

determined is completely irrelevant on plasma because plasma has built in suppression immunity

u physically cannot be suppressed off target when using plasma

[full nacelle]

it also hurts that Skirmisher doesn't refresh as soon as you start sprinting

[blazing notch]

https://tenor.com/view/spacemarine2-warhammer40k-space-marine-gif-24101208

[full nacelle]

you have to sprint for like a full second at least

[red robin]

The tick rate blows

[blazing notch]

me to you when you tell me plasma has built in immunity

[red robin]

And it dropping all at once is vile

[full nacelle]

yeah it's just real clunky

[red robin]

8 seconds isn’t a good enough buff tbh

[tame lodge]

Suppression isn't real anyways

[blazing notch]

Damn. Lots to learn still about this game

[red robin]

Band aid over real issues like sprint sliding, tick rate, and fall off

[full nacelle]

yeah there were a lot more ways they could have buffed it

[red robin]

Idkkk

[full nacelle]

would have loved it if it just lost one stack at a time

[blazing notch]

I just hit level 30 on every class and still getting schooled 😮‍💨

[red robin]

I got my fingers crossed for the official drop patch notes

[tall torrent]

veteran guide (near complete) is pinned

[red robin]

Doubt anything is gonna happen

I’m coping hard tho

[full nacelle]

I'm praying they give us some good stuff... Shotgun buffs pls

[red robin]

Idk what they could do to shotguns

Ammo and dmg?

[smoky sparrow]

up range

[red robin]

The combat ones

[full nacelle]

increase reload speed for one

[red robin]

YES I HATE DAMAGE FALLOFF

[full nacelle]

primary fire damage is cheeks

[smoky sparrow]

also base damage could be a lot higher point blank

[full nacelle]

they could be good but they're so clunky

[tame lodge]

70m is enough

[full nacelle]

you don't play them like shotguns lol

[red robin]

I miss vt2 with the ranged oriented classes having way better damage falloff at longer ranges

[full nacelle]

you play them like lever action rifles

sniping with your secondary fire and spending half the match reloading

[red robin]

Yeah

Wish there was a blessing that made the special loading faster

Or just innate weapon mechanic

[smoky sparrow]

to be fair, reloading constantly is kind of the deal with shotguns

[full nacelle]

yeah but they don't have to make it so damn slow

[smoky sparrow]

is there speed loader for the combat shotties?

[red robin]

Me when I take a million reload speed talents

[tall torrent]

no

[red robin]

Also quick question

Would the fanning revolver be better now?

[tall torrent]

no

[red robin]

Or still overshadowed by the zarona?

[tall torrent]

the issue with agripinaa 14 is that

ur still stuck with a finesse weapon

[smoky sparrow]

fanning revolver has quicker reload, thats it with the positives

[tall torrent]

gale and I tried it before

[red robin]

Punching the air rn

[tall torrent]

the biggest problem is that

u not only do not have 1 shot breakpoints on any of the major enemies

u also get turbo screwed if u land even a single bodyshot

[full nacelle]

fanning revolver is balanced... zarona revolver is overpowered

that's the main problem

[tall torrent]

I hope they buff fan revolver's dmg to allow 1 tap breakpoints on it

[smoky sparrow]

zarona wouldnt be OVERpowered if the fanning one was a lil bit better

[tall torrent]

nah it's still overpowered

[smoky sparrow]

theres just no reason to use it

[tall torrent]

best gun on vet

[red robin]

And without run and gun, deadshot, and even maybe executioners stance the brace fire is annoying to snipe with

[smoky sparrow]

i still think plasma gun is superior

[red robin]

And that’s giving up vital crit blessing and handcannon

[tall torrent]

zarona hits 1 taps regardless of headshot

plasma needs full headshots for breakpoints

[smoky sparrow]

you also have 5 shots before reloading on the revolver

theres 2 sides to this

[tall torrent]

plasma gets 8

and WS feeds u reloads for free

zarona is just incredibly overtuned

[red robin]

Also wish the spam fire didn’t jump so much on the fanning revolver

[full nacelle]

my zarona build uses the entire Focus Target! tree cause I think it's more fun

[red robin]

Bro I just want hunt showdown on my darktide game

[full nacelle]

I get to constantly yell callouts at my team and then instantly pop them when they look over

[tall torrent]

go zarona then

[full nacelle]

it's fun... for me

[red robin]

but it doesn’t fan…

[tall torrent]

if u play exe stance agripinaa revolver I think it hits 1 taps

[red robin]

Thanks for giving me hope and not shooting me down

[full nacelle]

exe stance agripinaa sounds wacky af

[tall torrent]

but having to run exe stance for major breakpoints is insane to me

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[full nacelle]

I might have to try that

[red robin]

I just want my deadeye larp

[tall torrent]

u can also achieve it with killzone next patch

[red robin]

Or overwatch cowboy man name thing

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-cowboy-mccree-smoke-gif-12818902

[tall torrent]

+20% R.dmg when no enemies are within 8m of u

good luck with that tho

[red robin]

I hate it here

I hate killzone

[full nacelle]

just fan the hammer harder

fuggit

[last parcel]

just have a strong enough odor to repel the enemies

[somber axle]

Opening Salvo buff soon

[last parcel]

boom, always active killzone

[red robin]

I hate standing away from enemies in beating to death distance

[tall torrent]

always active killzone would be insanely busted

[red robin]

That’s a base damage buff right?

[full nacelle]

I might just make some youtube vods of my builds

I think it'd be fun for the update

[red robin]

Yeah man

Enjoy yourself

[full nacelle]

I'm a build crafting machine

[red robin]

True

I be missing payday 2

[full nacelle]

only one I'm missing now is a bolt pistol build...

I never got to play that one

[red robin]

You gotta try lethal proximity frag grenade build

stacks with grenade tinkerer

[full nacelle]

grenadier build?

[red robin]

Yeahhh

[full nacelle]

what does the bolt pistol do for it?

[inland orchid]

Expands explosion radius

[red robin]

Lethal proximity increases explosion radius by 25% and makes the bolt projectile blow up regardless of range

[tall torrent]

lethal prox buffs 25% explosion radius

[smoky sparrow]

does it work the stagger dmg increase?

[full nacelle]

Oh and that works with grenades too?

[tall torrent]

frag & krak

mainly frag

[red robin]

Most notable is frag

And grenade tinkerer too

[tame lodge]

Execution?
Not really worth it

[full nacelle]

Oh sweet! Never heard of that interaction!

I'll start cooking something up right now

[tall torrent]

lethal prox + run&gun

[smoky sparrow]

does it work with nades too tho

[red robin]

That guy informed me on it

[tall torrent]

bring a power sword

[red robin]

This guy

[tall torrent]

execution is against any staggered enemy

[tall torrent]

but execution is also pretty bad because

[red robin]

Bro is literally that

[smoky sparrow]

yeah no shit, does it work with frags too

[full nacelle]

why run&gun?

[red robin]

I think if you chuck 2?

[tall torrent]

yes but not worth it

[red robin]

Spread reduction is nutty

On run and gun

[smoky sparrow]

i mean, 20% is 20%

[tall torrent]

-30% hipfire spread
remove sprint to fire delay

[tall torrent]

only while they're staggered

[full nacelle]

ohhhh

[tall torrent]

u get to maintain that for like 1 second

[full nacelle]

makes sense

[tall torrent]

run&gun beats everything else through sheer utility

[umbral scaffold]

I got a support vet build without keystone(cus they suck anyway) am I craycray?

[smoky sparrow]

no keystone vet sucks

[full nacelle]

nope, I think a lot of folks do that

[red robin]

Don’t let anyone stop you from doing nutty things

[full nacelle]

personally I like Focus Target and Target Down on my support vet

for even more support

[umbral scaffold]

Meh, for toughness?

[full nacelle]

Constant toughness and stamina

[red robin]

Solid team wide damage amp, useless if you don’t ping compulsively

[tall torrent]

what does it look like

[umbral scaffold]

I wish the game didn't tab out when I want to screenshot

but today it does

some days it doesn't

[full nacelle]

the damage buff is good too if you have the points

[smoky sparrow]

alt + enter to windowed mode on demand

[red robin]

I usually delay snipping tool by 3 seconds and tab back in

[full nacelle]

I still can't post pics because the server still thinks I'm a newbie

[smoky sparrow]

you are

[full nacelle]

but I just rolled run n gun and lethal proximity bolt pistol

with good stats

cancel the itemization update

[smoky sparrow]

run n gun fucks hard on the bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

u also need elite + maniac

maniac is priority

flamer 1hs

[red robin]

What’s the elite do?

[full nacelle]

I used to be an oldhead in here in the before times, the long long ago

[tall torrent]

dreg gunner 1hs

[smoky sparrow]

whyd you leave?

[full nacelle]

got the elite too somehow

[red robin]

Noice

[umbral scaffold]

Lets see if that works

[full nacelle]

the emporer protects

[tall torrent]

I wish I was as lucky

[full nacelle]

dude I spent like 400k on my rashad

this is a rarity

[tall torrent]

thankfully I can start itemization patch with godroll rashad + plasma lolol

[smoky sparrow]

this mfer torrenting dexter

[last parcel]

gotta ping mods since the bot gets fucked whne you rejoin

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, my gf wanted to see it

[full nacelle]

took a long break from the game and had too many discords clogging up my screen

[full nacelle]

oh is that how it works? didn't know that

[umbral scaffold]

Anyway I play with revolver and chainsword

[red robin]

I can’t believe revelace was the bay harbour butcher this entire time

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver oneshot anything except crusher/mauler

Chainsword to deal with poxies

[tall torrent]

ready to be turned into godroll day 1 of new patch

[umbral scaffold]

aura to help with ammo, and I guess res/toughness aint a bad thing

I don't see what Keystone would be better

[full nacelle]

should I do exe stance for my bolt pistol build?

could be funny

[tall torrent]

weapon specialist reloads ur revolver for free and u get a total of +25% melee atk speed

[umbral scaffold]

I usually spend my time killing snipers/bombers/gas/gunners

[red robin]

I kinda just do shout because all the grenade talents are in the center

[tall torrent]

yea and WS feeds u reloads without having to reload

[umbral scaffold]

Sure, but I do lose dmg to make sure they are clipped

[tall torrent]

where

[red robin]

I think Hammer of the Emperor has the talent tree grenadier build for the bistol

I got mine off him I think

[tall torrent]

no

oh

uh

ya

not included in the guide yet tho

[full nacelle]

yeah I do be wasting a lot of points

[red robin]

Ya def want the grenade talents

[umbral scaffold]

My main weapon is the revolver, I want to get suppress immunity and I get more dmg for it in the left tree

[tall torrent]

grenadier

[tall torrent]

several dmg nodes u took are generally not useful

longshot & killzone

u don't need them

put last point where u want

[somber axle]

If you want to play toughness battery support Vet grab Focus Target + Target Down

With good timing and pinging you get a minimum of 2 stacks every time for 10% toughness and 10% stamina to you and all allies in coherency

[umbral scaffold]

I mean 35% extra dmg, does do something when you're moving backwards

[somber axle]

On top of the usual damage benefits

[umbral scaffold]

See

[somber axle]

Oh wait revolver

[umbral scaffold]

2 seconds for one

I kill them instantly

[somber axle]

Yeah go Weapon Spec + Always Prepared

The auto reload on every melee kill is too good to pass up

[umbral scaffold]

I'd have to give up a lot to go down there

[tall torrent]

Refer to the build I posted above

[somber axle]

Longshot and Killzone are luxury picks. They don't provide nearly as much value as they seem to (Longshot because of how little the damage bonus is at the majority of ranges you'll be fighting in and Killzone because good luck finding a time in any Auric where there are no enemies around in 8m) and if you can hit breakpoints without them they're not doing anything but fluffing up boss damage a bit

[tall torrent]

They’re not luxury picks they’re just bad picks

[umbral scaffold]

Depends entirely on positioning

and map ofc

[somber axle]

They're funny to have if you want to do Psykanium Warrior clown science but they're pretty useless otherwise

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are u mainly playing

[umbral scaffold]

Auric maelstrom

[gritty mural]

a couple of veteran skills can just be deleted outwright because of how little impact they have on builds

[somber axle]

There's always a better talent to pick instead of Longshot and Killzone

[umbral scaffold]

and damnation auric

[tall torrent]

How often do u see killzone being active

[umbral scaffold]

I can't say I've ever looked at my buffs in my life

^^

[somber axle]

The uptime is abysmal I promise

[tall torrent]

Then drop it

[somber axle]

LOL

Let it go

[tall torrent]

Longshot is also just bad

Used to be ok, now just not worth it

[smoky sparrow]

whats the consensus on catch a breath tho?

[somber axle]

Catch a Breath is good

More generally useful than Get Back in the Fight imo

[tall torrent]

It’s the better choice if you’re taking survivalist

[somber axle]

If you're already going down left tree get Catch a Breath

[blazing notch]

🤣 8% damage is wild

[faint beacon]

its alright

[faint beacon]

Thats a keeper

[smoky sparrow]

put some stagger on that

[somber axle]

I have something to show you

[blazing notch]

😂

[last parcel]

oh no

not the helbore

[somber axle]

Yes the Helbore

[smoky sparrow]

you should try the lottery

[blazing notch]

I did not even realize 0% was possible 💀 😂 holy shit

Love you how actually leaned into it and made it Transcendent

[somber axle]

Sometimes I run her in Aurics to spook people in pre game lobbies who inspect weapons and also because sometimes I want to feel the helplessness of being in the Guard proper vs just beaming everything to death in 1-2 shots Crushers included

Handicap clown mode engaged

[serene bough]

lol

[faint beacon]

get in the fucking wheelchair

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-plush-plushie-throwing-skateboard-gif-7910048649713690274

I'm on the skateboard instead

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/party-joker-daniel-hentschel-party-party-im-the-joker-gif-14444033715315430261

[somber axle]

Oh also funny thing

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1718e9-24cc-4fb3-9525-c8938e4b5b9b/run-n-bolt

this is what mine is looking like

sprinting and bolting forever lol

[somber axle]

I noticed a Darktide youtuber in one of the matches I ran recently and checked their YouTube after to find they uploaded the match

[full nacelle]

seems goofy

now all I need is stripped down...

[somber axle]

It's surreal seeing myself

[faint beacon]

yet to find any with me in it

[umbral scaffold]

ok lemme try this

[somber axle]

I've probably run into them before and just didn't notice but it was neat seeing them play

[faint beacon]

Insane you're not taking these

[somber axle]

They were fun to play with and I knew it was them because of the 2 other friends they play with

[last parcel]

imagine using your ability

[full nacelle]

imagine taking damage

[tall torrent]

Grenadier build’s problem is that u can’t afford melee talents so I wouldn’t consider Rashad on it

[full nacelle]

true that's just my default weapon... I'd probably go shovel

[tall torrent]

U sorta have to run a power sword on this one

Needs boss damage melee

I guess u could run chainsword too? But at that point I’d just run power sword

[umbral scaffold]

I mean, I could but I'd do a lot less dmg?

[orchid hemlock]

Just use the shovel

[full nacelle]

I could... Not a huge fan of the power sword tbh

[tall torrent]

Do u use scoreboard mod

[full nacelle]

my shovel has limbsplitter so I just whip it out, pickaxe a crusher in the head, and go back to my business

ez pz

[umbral scaffold]

I don't use mods

[tall torrent]

Then get those talents

[umbral scaffold]

All I know is that I did 514k dmg and 900 kills one game and some dude thought that was fun

[tall torrent]

You don’t gotta pick every single damage talent regardless of their usefulness

+damage only matters when it meaningfully makes u kill important things faster

[full nacelle]

Iron Will is a godsend on every build

[faint beacon]

its kinda an "End all be All" talent on Vet

[umbral scaffold]

I mean I see it being good for snipes

[faint beacon]

its the crutch perk

In melee combat it just makes you take overall less damage

insanely useful

[umbral scaffold]

But I like taking dmg

: (

[full nacelle]

go to your room

[faint beacon]

Yeah but taking even more damage

[umbral scaffold]

If I start taking dmg in melee, in all likelyhood we are done for already ÅÅ

With that build and playstyle

[tall torrent]

Why not just make ur melee & defense better

I don’t get it

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-face-you-get-what-gif-24340177

[full nacelle]

I love getting up in the middle of a swarm with my melee vet build and flexing my rocking pecs so hard everything arounds me falls down

[umbral scaffold]

Cus I like ez games where I remove all the annoying things, such as bombers, snipers, gassy boys, long range gunners

and let the rest of my team deal with the melee boys

and flamers etc

[tall torrent]

Veteran is not psyker

[faint beacon]

Veteran is not Psyker

Veteran is the most Hybrid class in the game

[full nacelle]

Veteran is Psyker

[umbral scaffold]

it took me about 3 games to realize most games are lost cus of Aoe

[full nacelle]

wait

[tall torrent]

U can do that same exact thing on melee builds

[faint beacon]

a healthy vet plays 50/50 between ranged and melee

[full nacelle]

tbf I have vet builds where I lean more into range or melee

but you should never completely gimp yourself either way

[umbral scaffold]

I can't say I feel gimped 😄

[faint beacon]

Thats fine you just have to respect that if you're forced into the other situation

you have to commit

[full nacelle]

on most of my builds I try to maximize my gun uptime... that's the fun part of vet for me

if I want to go crazy stupid knife psychopath I play my zealot

but yeah you should always have a strong melee option

can't be gunning down every pox walker in auric sadly

[umbral scaffold]

My strong melee option is the red barrel next to me

[full nacelle]

there ya go

[umbral scaffold]

This is why you don't melee stuff

[full nacelle]

anyone have any thoughts on Tunnel Vision? still crap?

[tall torrent]

It’s not horrible but it being tied to MF doesn’t help

[tame lodge]

10% rending at max mf?

Yeah doesn't help

[last parcel]

mf toughness one

[tall torrent]

No the toughness gain one

[tame lodge]

5% per stack huh

For any source of toughness regen?

How does that stack with out for blood?

[faint beacon]

It might give 10% with O4B

but with how MF stacks and how stupid it is to maintain

just not worth it

[full nacelle]

yeah... shame man

[tame lodge]

I was thinking 7.5%

[full nacelle]

I like MF on my lawbringer build but that's about it

[faint beacon]

I honestly wouldn't mind if Melee weakspot kills

refreshed stacks

[full nacelle]

you fire your special shot into a horde and get instant full stacks

[faint beacon]

instead of giving them

[tall torrent]

It’s a multiplier

At 10 stacks of MF you get x1.5 to every toughness gained (non-coherency)

So O4B becomes 15% toughness with every melee kill

[faint beacon]

for 6 seconds

again I think they should make melee weakspot kills refresh it instead of gain stacks

[tall torrent]

Yea MF only working with ranged combat is annoying

[faint beacon]

If they did that then MF could straight up challenge WS on Keystone choice

[tall torrent]

idk

[faint beacon]

Imo, WS is more free

[tall torrent]

It’ll be less cancer to play

[faint beacon]

But MF would be better for people who can actually click on heads

(me)

straight up that will be the only thing I will flex about myself is how in PVE games I have insane Headshot tracking

Actual PVP games its different

[idle swallow]

Mk2 laspistol with MF is the only time I like that keystone because you're still fairly mobile and it gets good value

also that accurate hipfire shootin makes me feel good

[faint beacon]

It doesn't need insane buffing or anything it just needs

QOL to maintain stacks

aka just

fucking give us a way to keep them up via Melee

[tall torrent]

I’d rather it be like

U just get X amount of stacks

Getting non-weakspot hits drop stacks

Weakspot hits return stacks back to u

Because the other aspect I don’t like abt it is how u have to already have killed a few enemies after entering combat to have it be active

[faint beacon]

So you'd rather a rework instead

[tall torrent]

Yea

[faint beacon]

Fair

[tall torrent]

This is one of my major gripes with it

[faint beacon]

I dont mind its current playstyle if they did what I stated

[tall torrent]

Besides having no interaction with melee whatsoever

[tall torrent]

Actually I think if it worked like this I’d pick it a lot more

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, that's annoying

One of the weirdest parts to me is how camouflage and 15 stacks work

Camouflage makes it easier to stack against bosses, but you're limited to 10

[tall torrent]

If it was just
U have stacks but lose them with non-weakspot hits and gain them back with weakspot kills

That’ll be so so much better

[umbral scaffold]

15 stacks doesn't stack on its own

Which means the stacks best suited for bosses have the type of stacking complete opposite to fighting them

[tall torrent]

I’d consider taking this on almost every build that doesn’t rely on WS ammo refill

[faint beacon]

trying to figure out why I was running high FPS to a solid under 30 out of nowhere

[idle swallow]

darktided too hard

[last parcel]

raytracing turned itself back on

[faint beacon]

istfg if raytracing is on again

[umbral scaffold]

If it's going from 60 to 30, it could be adaptive v-sync

[faint beacon]

90 to 30 on the

fuck what mission was it

Spiral Staircase event

look at any of it

drops to 30

look away 90

I'll try a few things out

[bold comet]

I got an rtx 3050 and it doesn't drop below 90... rocks a smooth 95-110

Everything on high even with vsync and raytracing

32gb of ram... idk maybe you need to update your drivers, could be super basic

[umbral scaffold]

I got an AMD(tm) Radeon(tm) RX(c) 6750(r) XT(c) and I don't remember that location

I'd reset the settings on the control panel and idfk maybe the game's too

[faint beacon]

Checked drivers

they're updated

[bold comet]

I've never touched amd, don't know nothing about that

[trim breach]

When’ll the crafting update come out?

[orchid hemlock]

today

[trim breach]

:0

[orchid hemlock]

SIKE

[trim breach]

I thought it won’t arrive till tommorrow

[trim breach]

Or was it the day after?

@-@

[last parcel]

26th

[faint beacon]

Fucked with Nvidia DLSS and that instantly solved it

not gonna question why or how

just gonna accept it

[bold comet]

Maybe check the bios to see if your cpu is overclocked or not. I adjusted my fan settings there now most of my games never lag. The overclocking was causing my cpu to overheat so I shut it off and turned up the fans.

[orchid hemlock]

fake news

[umbral scaffold]

DeLiSSia

[faint beacon]

Whats funny is every other game runs butter smooth (We both have the same GPU btw)

its JUST darktide has these issues rarely

[trim breach]

Oh ye… should prolly make a infiltrate build soon

For the penances

[faint beacon]

POS Didn't turn itself on thank god

[bold comet]

Hell yeah... my brothers a poor boy who likes quality graphics... I heard alot of people crap talking it but honestly it works great. Best 230 bucks I spent in a while

[faint beacon]

3050 works Idgaf about insane graphics I just care if it looks okay and runs well

besides I play like 90% PVE Games

BF1 rarely

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/battlefield-1/clips/i1YHvZmxtSlDBFhZL/d13370yYIAa3?invite=cr-MSw3M2YsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Shamelessly plug this clip

[bold comet]

Lol

[last parcel]

i'd uninstall

[bold comet]

He probably did

[faint beacon]

What the raider getting fucked by that?

lmao

Like I should've died

I just know how to play Sentry really well

comes from Console experience

https://medal.tv/games/battlefield-1/clips/i1dANxGhmWoiVk8dS/d1337tVfTmCh?invite=cr-MSxVcXAsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Also shit like this is why I live for this game

its so fucking cool

[bold comet]

High isn't much different the very high imo. Ain't worth an additional 250 for that bump in settings

[faint beacon]

Oh also it only gets worse

https://medal.tv/games/battlefield-1/clips/i11ePPYnYtK4HZBW8/d1337HS01eqV?invite=cr-MSxqUGIsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

You can see me in that clip just say fuck it

after I missed all my shots lmao

ALSO SMG08 USER DOWN!!!!!

What is this evil ass shovel

[tall torrent]

Concussion style melee

[frank basin]

Fair and balanced

[blazing notch]

anyone know of a good weapon to use for the "Make Every Shot Count" penance? Also does melee misses count against your accuracy?

[trim steppe]

revolver or shotty

[blazing notch]

Im thinking the assault shotgun but worried that each pellet in each shot will individually count for accuracy lol

[blazing notch]

yeah prob a good idea

[last parcel]

as long as one hits you're good

and melee misses don't count

[trim steppe]

As long as 1 shotty pellet hits it counts as a hit

[tall torrent]

No, as long as a single pellet hits ur fine

[woeful ibex]

Plasma gun

Don't use survalist

[oblique totem]

Shotgun is best for that penance, in my opinion.

[somber axle]

I did it with the Lawbringer Shotgun accidentally

Bonus tip: if you have a low ammo version it makes it way easier

[oblique totem]

Same, well not sure which shotgun but it was an accident

[somber axle]

0% ammo Shotgun when

[blazing notch]

im using assault shotgun atm so I can ADS and fire twice as much ammo for the same accuracy lol

[trim steppe]

That's a new one. I got trapped IN a bulwark shield. I clipped into it and it completely stopped me from being able to move

Like a warm embrace ❤️

[blazing notch]

Highly recommend an Assault Shotgun for this challenge. As long as you have a good melee. Did it first try with the assault shotty

[full nacelle]

now do On Overwatch >:)

[blazing notch]

I KNOW dude i am about to do this one and I already know its gonna suck

I'm gonna switch to Infiltrate

[full nacelle]

ngl I got it my first try but it was STRESSFUL

I used my tank shout vet build

if it don't get through your toughness it doesn't count

[blazing notch]

If I get On Overwatch, that'll domino into me getting For The Emperor II and III

which will feel nice to see

perhaps worth how sucky this is going to be to attempt

[full nacelle]

just hug walls and stay behind the team

let them know you're going for it lol

I think my team got the idea when during the final event I was hiding behind a pillar half the time

treat yourself to that helmet

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s rly just melee basics for veteran

[tranquil bronze]

Plasma

[full nacelle]

yeah but you get hit with one bullet and one guy smacks your ass and its over

like I said, I got it first try, but I imagine that shit is stressful if the game decides to spawn stuff behind you

[tall torrent]

use block

[somber axle]

OH IS IT TIME AGAIN

[somber axle]

I have advice gimme a sec

[full nacelle]

blocking is for cowards

I clench my cheeks and deflect

[radiant chasm]

don't block, don't dodge

[somber axle]

@blazing notch

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 8 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[radiant chasm]

peak voc balance

[somber axle]

You can earn it on Malice so something like Low Intensity Malice would be the easiest place to get it

I share this every time it comes up and it has helped a fair few Vets earn the penance ezpz

[blazing notch]

Yeah keeping Infiltrate online and available as often as possible is going to be peak here

Also finding a relatively open layout mission

[somber axle]

Also you can underhand throw shredder frag grenades without breaking Infiltrate stealth so it makes for a safe way of clearing a room without putting yourself in danger

Kraks will break Infiltrate if they magnet to an armored target and pop

Smokes do not break Infiltrate either afaik

[blazing notch]

bruh 2 out of the 3 malice difficulty missions are low visibility

[somber axle]

rip

[full nacelle]

perfect you'll sneak right past undetected

[blazing notch]

Just going to attempt the normal malice difficulty one so I can get my gameplay cadence worked out

see if something in the setup isn't working

Go on fiverr and pay 3 Ogryn to run the Taunt on a chain lol

okay first attempt, got grabbed by a mutant while invis

[tame lodge]

Point and laugh

(it happens more than it should)

[blazing notch]

I took 1 hp of health damage from it lol

we shall see if that counted against it

Turns out the mission with hilariously tight corridors was not a good first mission to try this

[tame lodge]

Archivum spotted

[umbral scaffold]

Random but, is there a difference between the power swords? They seem identical to me or am I missing something?

[hearty panther]

Movesets.

[junior needle]

Movesets, 3 has special synergy with sunder, 6 has extra stamina block reduction natively

Also charge speed iirc

[blazing notch]

yippie!

[blazing notch]

^^

[full nacelle]

ayyyyyyyyyy

grats my guy

that wasn't too bad

[blazing notch]

Now to never even come close to attempting this challenge again

I'm going to go get hit by every enemy next mission on purpose

[quartz leaf]

Is bolt pistol meta

[full nacelle]

it's not meta but its fine

the meta guns are just overpowered... everything other gun is good to useable

[quartz leaf]

Meta is still just plasma and revolver?

[full nacelle]

plasma, revolver, and columnus are still broken

[quartz leaf]

Colum 4?

[full nacelle]

columnus V

[quartz leaf]

That's only close range right tho

[umbral scaffold]

Huh interesting

[full nacelle]

nah it works at any range outside of extremely long-range

[quartz leaf]

What perks and blessings do I need to go for, and what's the dump stat?

[frank basin]

It ain’t sniper but sure is like smg

[frank basin]

Mobility

Perk for colum is flak and maniac goes standard

Blessing is dumdum and deathspitter

[full nacelle]

yup

pizzas got it right

[frank basin]

I never goes meta route that much

[umbral scaffold]

I just play what feels fun for me

[full nacelle]

yeah I feel like it makes the game less fun playing the overpowered stuff

[frank basin]

Graia braced autogun

[full nacelle]

graia braced my beloved ❤️

[frank basin]

My kind

[umbral scaffold]

I’m digging recon 7a power sword

[frank basin]

Graia and recon are two close for machine gunner

[umbral scaffold]

The recon 7a with lasgun ammo and ammo perks can almost never run out of ammo it feels like it.

[quartz leaf]

I love accatran 7

[umbral scaffold]

I love the 7 too!

[frank basin]

Shock trooper talent

[umbral scaffold]

That one

[full nacelle]

Graia Braced is insane for suppression

you shoot for half a second and everything is cowering in fear

love it

[frank basin]

I like fast rpm on braced

[umbral scaffold]

I ran regular damnation with 3 other veterans, all survivalist perks and all recon lasguns and we were basically playing left for dead it felt like we never struggled for ammo either and we were blasting all match long.

[frank basin]

Lmao

Dope squad

[umbral scaffold]

Plus the grenade regeneration perks and ohh boy it was fun I would recommend. Not meta but super fun

Felt like we were a kill team

[frank basin]

Demolition stockpile is a savior

[umbral scaffold]

Fr between that and the one that regenerates over time I feel like I can toss grenades around liberally

[full nacelle]

meta is just fancy talk for easy cakewalk difficulty

pew pewing the way you like is what matters

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly I’d rather just have fun than to steamroll content

[quartz leaf]

What's the build for colum 5?

[umbral scaffold]

I hate when someone tries speedruning the level and leaves the whole team behind

[frank basin]

Here @quartz leaf

[full nacelle]

I've been rolling a new Autopistol build in auric damnation and it's been working fine

[umbral scaffold]

Like bro, I’m not a meta knife speed run build chill

[quartz leaf]

Talent byild

[frank basin]

Oh that is up to you

[full nacelle]

I'll get you mine in a sec

[frank basin]

You goes what fit your style

I treat columnus as submachine gun

Fast fire rate eat ammo very fast

Sustain dps

Not great on carapace enemy

Unless you have onslaughts talent on

[quartz leaf]

Infernus isn't bis on accatran right

7a is prob my favorite gun

In the game across all classes

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1763ee-9e24-4a20-ae6b-da0e48702318/gunnymcgunface

just a solid full-on gunner build

shout is the meta choice on vet but exe stance is a lot more fun and the columnus makes great use of it

if you're not running stripped down blessing you could give up Duck and Dive and grab Demo Stockpile instead for more krak grenades

you'll also get a free point next patch because Relentless is going from a modifier to just being built into exe stance

so you could potentially pick up Grenade Tinkerer too when that happens

make yourself a grenadier

[umbral scaffold]

i lvoe low vis, easiest modifier by far

[full nacelle]

low vis spooky scary

[umbral scaffold]

how so ? just aim down the laser sights through the smoke and dodge the shots as usual

[hushed robin]

hey what are shock mauls like for vets?

[umbral scaffold]

dont got to deel with shit ton of elites only slow firing very dodgable shots

[full nacelle]

because scary pox walkers come from the shadow and tickle my buttocks from behind

[hushed robin]

or just stick with power sword? just wanted to ask about mauls

[full nacelle]

I've heard shock mauls are good, just takes a little learning to get down their main combos

[frank basin]

I never use the maul

If there is crowd control pattern I would use

[hushed robin]

yeah i mainly focus on using the Power sword mkIII as my main melee as vet

[full nacelle]

I'm a Rashad fanboy myself

nice and simple

hold M1 for crusher, spam m1 for everything else

watch heads fly

[trim steppe]

Rashad masterrace

[hushed robin]

what was rashad again? its been a while since last i played.

[full nacelle]

combat axe

[frank basin]

Alchy was my weapon of choice for main loadout

[hushed robin]

ahh ok

[frank basin]

But that BM reworked is done for my Alchy

[full nacelle]

taking my autopistol back into auric damnation

🙏

[blazing notch]

yeah not a bad modifier, but its bad when im trying to complete the penance for not taking any melee damage lol

[fading yarrow]

Roided up bolter build mayhem S O O N

I forgot the due date and actually thought it was Saturday instead of Thursday, so I'm very excited

[frank basin]

Space marine fanboy

Bolter all day

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-gif-18413221543257794048

[trim steppe]

Man, clandestium gloriana is a complete clown town

The level of dumb shit people do on that level is 10 fold above any other map

[faint beacon]

its the best map cause it requires actual brains to fucking get through it

so you very quickly find people

who lack in such departments

[trim steppe]

Yeah like 90% of the players on it

[quartz leaf]

So what's bis on 7a

I've been using infernus + headhunter

[trim steppe]

dumdum deathspitter probably

[quartz leaf]

Oh good I can do that on my 43% ammo 7a lmao

Does covering fire also increase your own damage

Or just go with extra krak damage

[solemn pelican]

Does the item shop update on Thursdays local time or yankee time

[tall torrent]

No

[fading yarrow]

I'm guessing it will be at 12 pm EST, since the devs are going to be streaming on Twitch at 1800 CEST

[bright cliff]

is it true that the infantry lasguns have inherent supression immunity?

[flat crypt]

helbores and laspistols

[bright cliff]

just helbores and laspistols ty

[flat crypt]

at least when charging shots with helbore it's immune

[frank basin]

i still get stagger aim charging from it

[flat crypt]

🤔

[frank basin]

i just tested

[flat crypt]

huh, last time i messed around with helbore it didn't give a damn when being shot at

[frank basin]

if you have out for blood on and you kill 1 enemy it restore from 5% toughness

it would leave unaware from it

[bright cliff]

did they buff the vraks headhunter or was this thing always this silly

[flat crypt]

for me it always was but the addition of keystones (MF specifically) really took it to another level

[bright cliff]

the crit stacking here is insane

[junior needle]

nope, it's a niche talent that needs a rework

[bright cliff]

do you neven need MF?

[junior needle]

Currently people are hyping up dumdum/DS

[bright cliff]

why would they give headhunter to a gun w 3 round burst?

[flat crypt]

i like surgical more than head hunter because it stacks up so quickly on headhunters

[junior needle]

3 has been pretty good for a long time now

[supple stag]

crits apply to whole burst

[junior needle]

HH is better on the v3, surgical is better on the v7

Due to how the strings work

[quartz leaf]

What's best few vet melee now? I know power sword 3 was best a long time ago

[flat crypt]

For me it depends about the distance and fire rate. No doubt HH is better in heated close range battles

[bright cliff]

bosses count as unyielding correct

[flat crypt]

yup

[bright cliff]

I used to be a shovel main but I've recently taken to the Rashad II Axe

brutal momentum/decimator for an all purpose build (or take headtaker if you're afraid)

[quartz leaf]

I'd like one that can clear hordes fast

[bright cliff]

the rashad ii axe is an all rounder like the shovel but generally better

everything the shovel can do the axe does faster

if you're really desperate for horde clear the dc swords are always there

[earnest bone]

dclaw swords are atrocious with flak damage and can only penetrate it with crits or need all +rending talents you can get

why it's not changed yet idk

[bright cliff]

tbf I've only ever used it on crit zealot so

[lavish token]

Hence why you put flak and shred on it

[earnest bone]

FS just give it proper flak adm

[bright cliff]

if I want a low effort horde shredder I take the chainsword 4 with rampage and savage sweep

[earnest bone]

#makedclawgretagein

[earnest bone]

same, but mk13 with wrath and rampage

[bright cliff]

I don't remember the chainsword blessings by name

[earnest bone]

its rampage and SS for mk4

[bright cliff]

I take the ones that gives you +32% dmg on multi hit and -200% hit mass

[earnest bone]

+200% cleave*

[bright cliff]

man

[lavish token]

Dclaw already strong as it is

[earnest bone]

-200% hit mass

would be funny tho

[lavish token]

It doesn’t need to be touched

[bright cliff]

you right

speaking of 200% hit mass

do you think we'll ever get something funny like the ogryn shovels capable of smacking five crushers in a single blow again

[lavish token]

Hope not

[earnest bone]

no ofc

[lavish token]

However

FS

[tall torrent]

Very untrue

[earnest bone]

look at these little shock mauls, they are kinda mid

but pickaxes are broken

[lavish token]

Both extremely strong

[earnest bone]

its like there some bias towards X class

Smauls arent on a level of pickaxes

not even close

they have funny gimmick

but thats it

[tall torrent]

No, those are not fully immune, just don’t get affected by suppression as much

[lavish token]

Pickaxe has slaughterer headtaker

Specifically on the car sales

Which puts it as the single highest dps weapon in the game for constant damage

[earnest bone]

I feel like smauls gimmick is useless on auric/ms, why would i waste time to shock one bulwark when there's like 6 of them on me, i just dont have time for that, gonna burn all 6 with flamer or w/e

[lavish token]

Melee of course

[tall torrent]

Lightning reflexes is cool

[earnest bone]

i didnt play much with it

but IF it allows to fight 10+ ragers

its cool, if not

oh well

[tall torrent]

U can stun bulwark if they swing at u with it

[earnest bone]

that's fine i guess

[tall torrent]

Kind of, if u have enough stamina lol

For 3-5 it’s fine

[earnest bone]

but dont forget that most people just slap

Skullcrusher + HV

so they wont ever see that

[tall torrent]

HV is just skullcrusher but worse

And shock mauls can’t easily break rager combo without impact blessings or using special

I already checked major stagger breakpoints for all veteran weapons

It’s now in guide

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/hercules-kevin-sorbo-disappointed-mad-sad-gif-19756349

FS gives pickaxes for everyone

[tall torrent]

Yk what else can’t
Thunder hammers

[earnest bone]

assuming they are really good now

gonna test

[tall torrent]

After buff maybe

[earnest bone]

It would be funny if some on those "testers" reminded FS

that Autopistol exist

seems like they did indeed forgotten that this thing exist

[tall torrent]

Most weapons actually are pretty bad at breaking rager combos

[earnest bone]

another funny moment is when someone said autopistol got good maniac damage

bro, did you ever tried to shoot the mutant

thats like 33% of your clip (and it takes ages)

so, some buffs for that thing wouldnt hurt

to make it at least an (maybe a non-crit) alternative to Columbus XV

[sharp epoch]

Autopistol just was too good then they had to nerf it to the ground

[earnest bone]

they sometimes overnerf certain weapons

they did that in Vermintide 2 too (cant remember much about V1)

[sharp epoch]

Powersword

Used to have default like 3-4 powered swings, now you need power cycler for 3 💀

[somber axle]

Competitive Urge Keep Their Heads Down Powerburn Autopistol could be the most powerful suppression gun but unfortunately even if it is that's not really something that sets it apart from other weapons in a way that anyone cares about LOL

[sharp epoch]

The problem is like half the enemies don't get suppressed esp when you get to auric

[somber axle]

You can still reliably suppress enemies with certain weapons even without Keep Their Head Down

But usually you can just reach the breakpoints to kill them quicker so it's more a bonus for suppressing nearby targets while you're putting down others

Suppressing a group of Reapers is always nice

[lilac kayak]

It's why u bring a psyker

[tall torrent]

No, only a few enemies can be suppressed, it’s not class dependent

[somber axle]

Smiteker is stunning unless you mean the funny Terrifying Barrage blessing being on most staves because of how often it shows up when rolling blessings LOL

Say good bye to that blessing in a few days because as soon as locks are removed no one will ever touch it again

[earnest bone]

1 more day till goodbye casino

its finally happening

[lilac kayak]

EP smite brain ded

[somber axle]

The funny part is that you can suppress groaners but not poxwalkers and you'll only ever notice this if you're an unlucky Psyker with Terrifying Barrage or you have a weapon with very strong suppression while firing at elites among a mixed horde

AoE stun a horde because they got spooked at how the Flak Rager in full armour turned into swiss cheese in record time

[sharp epoch]

I notice with plasma gun certified horde shooter

[faint beacon]

Do not

do that

[blazing notch]

just took this reworked build into my first auric mission. worked great!! thanks again.

[somber axle]

Welcome to Aurics!

[blazing notch]

Who knew cutting off the weaker parts of my talent tree and leaning into my weapon specifically would synergize well lol

The extra 30% weak spot damage to elites is so good

idr what it was called, but 1 shotting elites on those missions feels very nice

[tall torrent]

[red robin]

Man

Another day

And new patch

I am excited

[smoky sparrow]

last chance to hoard as many materials as possible

[red robin]

God

I wish I didn’t splurge on fucking nothing two weeks ago

Trying to godroll mid ass weapons

[smoky sparrow]

i make a new weapon each day

[somber axle]

spending all my diamantine, all my plasteel and 2 mil dockets trying to get a god roll autopistol and getting actually nothing

but it's ok

[blazing notch]

I have done this at the end of basically every play session lol

[smoky sparrow]

this was yesterdays

[somber axle]

through dedicated effort I have managed to farm up the materials all over again

[red robin]

I got about 4000 plasteel atm

I think I will save

[smoky sparrow]

oof

[red robin]

And just use ordo for blessings

Instead of fishing for like 2 of the tier 4s I’m missing

Love getting the same shit 4 times in a row

[smoky sparrow]

i am glad we will get all that through gameplay now

instead of hadrons casino

[red robin]

So based

My friends were turned off on darktide solely from the crafting

[smoky sparrow]

dude sameeee

[red robin]

We enjoyed DRG and Payday 2

Build variety

[smoky sparrow]

payday 2 was pretty good in that regard

if you didnt prestige you had all the shit unlocked pretty soon

im still mad about the jump patch tho

[red robin]

Those fuckers whaled me so bad

[smoky sparrow]

and will never buy another overkill game

[red robin]

10 gorillian dlcs

I knew payday 3 was gonna be a nothing burger

[smoky sparrow]

its a damn shame, they had that gameplay loop DOWN

[red robin]

Ain’t coming back from the mushroom trip of an ending

[smoky sparrow]

no other game scratched that itch

[red robin]

Darktide and VT2 are my peaks for coop pve

[smoky sparrow]

running diamond store on deathwish stealth was my bedtime routine for a long while

[red robin]

Deep rock on its own trophy shelf

[flat crypt]

rock and stone!

[red robin]

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Damn

Wish the cheer thing on darktide had more voice line variety

And could be activated on a key bind without mods

Then again

Idk what else you’d need other than “for the emperor :D”

[smoky sparrow]

enemy callout variety has bigger prio inmo

objectives too

[red robin]

Yeahhh

[smoky sparrow]

love payday 2 for that too

FRESSE AUF DEN BODEN

[frank basin]

I brought two slop game already

[red robin]

What’s that?

[frank basin]

Rockay city and payday 3

[smoky sparrow]

so sorry for your loss

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[frank basin]

[red robin]

Unironically

[frank basin]

I had too many game to play

[red robin]

It’s actually over

[smoky sparrow]

overkill will never trick me again

[red robin]

I think the dropping quality in dlc heists was a given

[frank basin]

Fear and greed

[red robin]

Especially at the end point of its lifetime

[smoky sparrow]

remember armored cars?

[frank basin]

Boys on blue

[smoky sparrow]

goddamn that was a fun time to play

and then gage pack dropped

and you had so much more shit to loot

[frank basin]

Condential coins

[red robin]

I just hated paying for weapons

But I mean

[smoky sparrow]

attachment rng was more upsetting

[red robin]

They were fun

[smoky sparrow]

JUST GIVE ME THE LASER LIGHT MODULE

[frank basin]

I’ll be waiting when payday 3 drop armor rework

[smoky sparrow]

can you still abuse dodge like a gremlin?

[faint beacon]

Deadass thought that was Ganondorf for a second

[frank basin]

Wdym?

[flat crypt]

Ha, that's why it looked familiar. Thx 😄

[smoky sparrow]

you could get up to 90% dodge in pd2 iirc

[frank basin]

Combine duck and cover and rouge perks deck

With sicario from someone else

I think you could

Rouge perk deck itself are 60 chance or 75

[austere mica]

I don’t think red is a perk deck last I checked

[supple stag]

70% if you're running

[frank basin]

Rogue perk deck

[frank basin]

Then 60% dodge base with 10% sprinting

That’s the best I can remember

[frank basin]

You try pull the joke

[austere mica]

You spelled it wrong in both instances originally

I have beef with people who can’t spell rogue

[frank basin]

That’s your flaw then

[supple stag]

Dodge decks never were my thing, always gravitated towards health or armor based decks

[frank basin]

ANARCHIST

[austere mica]

Anarchist addict

[supple stag]

Armorer

[frank basin]

Or muscle

[supple stag]

[austere mica]

I never seriously went past mayhem though

[frank basin]

I Alway touch death wish only

[supple stag]

I've spent most of my time on Death Wish and Death Sentence

[frank basin]

The top last difficulty too spongy

[supple stag]

7.2k hours my ass

[frank basin]

I did try death sentence shit 3 shot my armor gone

[austere mica]

My favorite build was anarchist with 2 snipers, the pronghorn (or whatever it was called) and the .50 cal

[supple stag]

Ah yes, the 255 that can hit breakpoints with silencer and no dmg skills

While other 255 snipers can't

[frank basin]

Ex-president and wearing the 45th mask

Ironic heist

[austere mica]

Oh it’s notable for something? I ran it because 2 snipers sounded fun(ny) and it was the only secondary available